June 26, 2024 • 20 mins
He's Katie's friend. He's gay. And, he has something to say about "Pride Month". Ladies & gentlemen, introducing Greg Gory!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, I'm introducing my gay friend Greg to Armstrong
and Getty. It's one more thing, arm Strong and.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Getty, one more thing, Well go ahead then alrighty, well guys,
this is Greg Gory.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
He is one of my best friends. He was the
man of honor. You know how ladies have their maid
of honor. I had a man of honor and it
was Greg Gory. He is on the Woody Show based
out of la off of Ault ninety eighty seven, and
he's gay.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I'm so honored by that intro, Katie. That was awesome.
And just for the record, I was the person of honor, true,
the person of honor.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yeah, how enlightened of everyone. So I like the fact
that she at least like puts your professional accomplishments in
front of your sexual orientation.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
No, and that's what I appreciate, because you know, people
who are gay like to make that number one out
of one hundred. In my case, it's just one out
of one hundred things. It's not my identity. A lot
of people like to make it the cornerstone of their identity.
And for me, coming out is gay way easier than
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coming out as conservative when you're gay.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Oh, Okay, so you're a conservative gay man.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I am, you know, lifelong right wing Trump supporting Republican
and that's why I don't mesh well in the gay world.
And that's why June weatherwise one of my favorite months,
but politically one of my least favorite months. I can't
stand it.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
You know, Greg, you're working when we're working. Yeah, but
Katie might have told you. I Joe rant a fair
amount about how the concept of gay pride, which I
totally understand coming from the time when you're supposed to
be mortally ashamed of being gay, has morphed into you
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must be down with every angle aspect of radical queer theory,
gender theory, theory in general. And that makes me insane,
and actually several of my gay friends it makes them
insane too.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Well. I'm actually kind of comforted to hear that, because
I thought I was all alone in that. And you're
totally right, Joe. If you look at the history of
what we now call gay pride, it stems from, you know,
a place of like you said, you had to be
in the shadows. It was maybe even illegal, it was ostracized.
It is morphed into this thing that is for somebody
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like me is frankly super embarrassing. First of all, being
gay shouldn't be a source of pride. It's not an accomplishment.
I'm not proud that I gratulations, you know exactly. I'm
not proud that I'm a human being who walks. It's
just what I am. They My issue with pride is
that they have hijacked the exact thing that you just mentioned,
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what it used to be, how it used to be,
how you used to be treated, and in order to
honor that, and then as a gay guy who is
not into pride, I get shamed constantly. You are ignoring
the people that fought for our rights. No, I'm not.
What you're doing is dishonoring the people who fought for
our rights, because if you go out into the street,
you get completely annihilated, wasted. You put on spandex mini
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skirt and roller blades and a boa and face glitters,
and then you have public sex that somehow shows pride.
To me, that shows embarrassment. I'm proud that I have
a good career. I'm proud that I have a partner
of fourteen years. I'm proud that I own a really
nice house, I'm proud of my accomplishments. There's nothing to
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be proud of as far as being gay goes. And
the people that are into Pride number one, they always say,
we're so accepting, we're so open minded. No, try to
go to a Pride parade and have a point of
view that's ever so slightly different. You are gonna be
the enemy. You're gonna be called a bad gay, bad gay. Yeah,
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I've been called that a thousand times. It's kind of
the equivalent if you call an African American person who
has their own mind, Oh you might, You're a sellout,
You're an yal tom. I'm a bad gay because I
don't walk lockstep with the gay pride.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
I'm trying to do the math on this in my head.
So if like three percent of the population is gay,
and then half of that three percent is men, then
you get down to the conservative percentage of that. There
must be like two people in the country you could
have dated.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
It's me and my best friend Jim. We're the two
years that two, we're the two Well.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Seriously, though, like, how many people would agree with you
on this even if they are otherwise politics? You know, conservative,
Republican whatever wouldn't be the same. How many people do
you do you run into? They also think the whole
pride thing is a little over the top at this.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Point, politics aside. I have met a handful of people
who are gay who are not into gay pride. They
think the same thing. I'd rather stay home or I'm
proud of what I've done, not just who I am
or what my sexuality is. I shouldn't even say who
I am because it's not who I am that I
think is a little bit more common than if you're
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conservative and anti pride. For lack of a better way
to explain it, but I don't see it that much.
I have done a few things where I've tried to
reach out to people of like minds, such as the
log Cabin Republicans. I wasn't intelligent enough to hang out
with them. That's all they did was talk about the
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minutia and DC, which I don't really know about. I
just know that when people say, how can you be
good and be a Republican? Okay, who you sleep with
at night doesn't affect my brain. I still have a brain.
Tax policy, then thank you. My tax policy, border policy,
everything that actually affects your life, and when they you
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hear this cliche every year, every especially every election cycle. Oh,
we're gonna lose our rights. And I have asked this
question for years and years and years and years, even
in my talk radio days, where I would like somebody,
I defy somebody. And you can apply this to women too,
with all due respect, What rights as a gay guy
don't I have? What rights as a woman? Does a
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woman not have? I have every right that anybody else has. Nobody,
even the flag burning liberal gay guys, can't answer that
question for me. What right don't I have? I have
all my rights, nothing's being taken away. It's paranoia.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Yeah, well right, if you've been studying politics for a
lifetime as we have, it's absolutely transparent fear monitoring to
get people to go to the polls and donate money.
It's just you're under threat. Is the most common political
pitch of well, probably last five thousand years, honestly. But yeah,
are you familiar with the Twitter account Gaye against Groomers.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I have heard of it. Yeah, I'm not too active
on Twitter, but I do do know that.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Good for you. Number one, They've got four hundred and
twenty eight thousand followers. I have no idea how many
of those are gay folks, but their description of who
they are is a nonprofit of gays, lesbians and others
in the community against the sexualization, indoctrination, and medicalization of
children under the guise of lgbt Q I A plus
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which brings me to another one of my jihads as
as a dad, especially of three wonderfully unique and nutty
now adult children, all of whom happen to be straight.
But we're a quirky punch. I see this movement of
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telling an effeminate boy that he's actually a girl and
needs hormones, then surgery as one of the most horrific
and cruel things humanity has ever done. And I think
before long we will look back on this era with horror.
To what extent? Do you agree?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I agree, I see your point, and I raise your point.
I think the wrong questions are asked of those of
us who believe what you just said. They ask us,
why are you a bigot? Why don't you want drag
queens reading to children? The question should be why do
you want drag queen saying?
Speaker 4 (08:14):
What's the Who came up with this? What is the
what are you trying to accomplish here?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Right? Why don't they go to retirement communities and read
to them. Why do we have to get children involved? Also,
I recall retirement communities, there's gonna be a lot of
eighty year old.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Dudes saying, what the hell is it?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
That's true? Maybe that's not the right venue.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
You got a shave baby. No, it's to indoctrinate the
children into radical gender theory.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
At one hundred percent, And unfortunately the data is not in.
You know, these studies might take decades. We're too new
into this phenomenon. And when you look at the phenomenon,
to me, it's interesting. You see it really only in
certain cities. You don't go to Tuscaloosa and find eighty
four kids saying I think I'm a girl. When I
was a kid, I thought I was James Bond and
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night Rider. You know, I wasn't given an Aston Martin
because I thought I was James Bond. Much like if
I thought I was a girl. They're not going to
mutilate my body. The phenomenon to me is weird. I
think it's just gotten, I don't know, popular, for lack
of a better word. It's strange. What you know, that
whole thing that only recently I believe the AMA downgraded
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it from a mental disorder. But with all due respect
to the trans people, if you believe you're something else,
it doesn't make it. So as far as the grooming goes,
I do think it's grooming because again, people are asking
the wrong question. It's not that I'm bigoted because I
don't want drag queens talking to kids. The question should
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be why do you want to talk to the kids.
And to take it a step further, people say, oh,
you know, I have let's just say a five year
old son. I'm teaching him all the things that you
have to accept about gays and lesbians and trans How
about not talking about any of it. They're going to
learn it as life progresses. Why do we have to
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force them at a young age to even learn that
there's Think back to when we were kids. Did I
didn't know there was such thing as gay? I had
my idea.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
I have a twelve year old he's just got out
of sixth grade, and he's been talking about gay, lesbian
trans stuff since he was like eight or nine, because
they talk about it in school all the time.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, I can't even imagine that atmosphere. I mean, we
had to get permission to take sex ed in school,
and now kids in kindergarten are, you know, learning about
drag queens.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
It literally makes no sense to me. And then to
me that whole side of this, I don't know. Let's
call it the gay world. It kind of makes us
all look stupid, and it makes us look one sided,
and it makes us look like we have an agenda.
And it also what it does as far as gay
youth coming up again, and you know, having been a
man who was married to a woman once because of
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denying who I was and trying to live a different life.
When I finally came out very late in life, I
was in my thirties. What would have helped me younger
is not to have the Pride movement, because people such
as my parents or people of their generation would see
these Pride parades on TV, for example, they would look
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at the crowds, look at the outfits, look at the behavior,
look at the public sex, look at the drunken debauchery
and the idiotic behavior, and it would make them go
from I think I might be accepting of this to wow,
look at these freaks. It's such a mess. And that's
exactly how I was raised. And it made me delay
being who I am because they gave me a bad name,
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they gave me a baddebt.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
That is such a great point because that's what I
didn't That's what I thought being gay was was the
stuff I see on TV from the San Francisco Pride parade, right.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Because that's all I'd ever been exposed to.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
So I thought, man, that's a bunch of crazy people, right, And.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
The brilliance of the gay rights movement in say the
seventies and eighties was excuse me, I'm your accountant, I'm
your neighbor, I'm your coworker. Right, I'm your friend. So
I've never worn assless chaps once in my life. Well,
all chat show fundamental misunderstanding of chaps.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
And while we're doing fun facts, there's no such thing
as straight people, just sober people. So good one. No,
but you're totally right. The gay pride movement originally for me,
was to show, Hey, we're just living our lives. We're
just going to the grocery store, we're just going to work. Now,
it's like, look, I'm a victim. I'm always a victim.
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Why do you hate me? Why are you a bigot?
I'm not going to go to vacation to a regular resort.
I have to go to a gay resort. I'm going
to go to the baseball game when it's gay night
at the ballpark?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Right?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Why do we want so badly to be victory and
to constantly put ourselves in boxes that, as far as
I can see, maybe I'm completely wrong, But as far
as I can see, I don't think society is trying
to define me or put me into a box or
label me one way. That's self imposed. This victim mentality.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Well, you are only useful politically, Greg if you are
put in that box. If you think independently, you're not.
And I won't wear you out with this stuff, but
we talked about it for amount on our show. It's
all branches in Neo Marxism because workers of the World
unite didn't work, and so they're trying to tear down
the West and Western civilization with sexual minorities of the
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world unite, racial minorities of the world unite. If you
are at all oppressed, you must tear down the oppressed sore.
It's all well, it's Marxism under different guys.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And the scary thing to me is how many people
fall for it. I have, like I mentioned, a couple
friends who are conservative like I am, who just see
facts for facts. They don't worry about our rights are
going to be taken away in all those stupid cliches
which are not true. But the amount of people who
do fall for it, and they say, oh, you're right,
our rights are going to be taken away. I remember
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the night Trump got elected. I finally went to bet.
I get up at two in the morning. I went
to bed at like one thirty in the morning, took
a thirty minute nap with a smile in my face, thinking, okay,
good he won. Meanwhile, all my mega lefty gay friends
are on Twitter crying, well, today's the day that goes
down in history that we lost all our rights. Oh yeah,
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And now here we are in retrospect looking at how
great those four years were, and I'm thinking, okay, can
you again answer me for the fiftieth time, what rights
did we lose? I don't recall any they and if
they want to point to, you know, we're not going
to pay for trans surgery in the military Okay, cool,
Maybe try a different venue for your your lifestyle surgery,
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you know, getting the Marines. Yeah, don't rely on the
Marines for it.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
I was trying to remember where I first came across
a split in the in the lifestyle of the community.
I think it was on the Daily Show, but I'm
not positive this. This was quite a few years ago
that Minneapolis was named the best gay city in America
or something like that, and San.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Francisco was outraged.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
But whatever show this was, and I think it was
a daily show featured like a couple, and it was
just a couple of dudes who like, had regular jobs
and wore regular clothes and didn't go to gay pride
parades or anything like that. They mostly went to Costco
on the weekends. And they were just and so San
Francisco was outraged that they were held up as a
gay couple because they weren't doing the thing.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
They weren't being all, you know, flamboyant and crazy and
over the top and drunk more than likely the gays
like to drink, which is true.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Well, we could bond. Sorry, you were gonna make a
point know that.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I mean, that's what I strive for and I think
that's why this whole let's call it a movement is wrong.
That's what they should strive for. Hey, I'm just living
my life. I don't have to ostracize myself. I don't
have to go out of my way to make such
a spectacle. Pride would be fine. They just need to
change the name to like Big Gay Day or Big
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Gay Month. You know, I think the word pride, you know,
it bothers me when people go, oh, I'm so proud
to be Irish. Okay, well you didn't win, you didn't
accomplish Irish.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Tell us about your journey to becoming an Irish man?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Right, how did you pass that testable?
Speaker 4 (16:35):
You know, Greg, you made reference to this earlier, but
we've we've long said the true white privilege is you
get to think however you want and vote however you want.
And it occurs to me that's like the straight privilege too.
I can be of whatever political stripe I want, and
and people might reason with me to try to get
me to change, but they're not going to call me
a bad straight guy.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Oh, good point, good pointly man, you get just crucified.
And I've had screaming fights with people who are trying
to convince me that I hate myself, that I hate
my people. You know, I don't hate anybody. The thing
is they want so desperately to be hated so they
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can be a victims. It's this endless cycle. It's embarrassing.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Do you talk about this on your good When I
did music radio, I never talked politics at all. Do
you talk about this aspect of your life on your
show or not?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
You know I this particular aspect I do the politics.
Everything I just told you about Trump and all that
I keep very well hidden. It's way too polarizing. But
I have discussed how I'm not a fan of Pride
for these exact reasons. And then every year our company
they put out these questionnaires to on air talents saying,
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you know, what are you into? What would you like
to endorse? Is there anything that you won't be a
part of? Because every year every June I get asked, oh,
are you going to be in the the parade for
the company? I said, absolutely not. Read the questionnaire that
you give me. Every year, I tell you I will
not take part in Pride. It's a source of embarrassment.
But yeah, on FM radio, we really kind of steer
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clear of politics in general. We'll talk about the big stuff, Oh,
the debate is coming up or whatever, the election, but
we won't really reveal our true politics. I used to
back in the day, in of all places, San Francisco,
when I was doing morning radio in San Francisco is
an outspoken conservative. But to be fair, it was before
I came out of the closet, so okay, But then
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then fast forward several years, I did talk politics a
lot after I came out, And also to be fair,
I got a bit of flak from traditional conservatives like
how dare you be on our conservative talk station if
you're gay? And this, that and the other. So I've
gotten it from all directions. It's not an easy Even
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though I rallied against putting yourself in a box, it's
not an easy box to be in.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Sure at all. And I think the best point made
is that all chaps are ass lists. You got to
learn one new thing a day.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
That's mine. I tell you what if the wife appeared
in the bedroom wearing chaps like that cow who, It's
a day that will not be forgotten. Greg really really
enjoyed the chat, and don't forget that I think the
vast majority of people say he's a good human being.
I don't care about anything else. I hope the loud,
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nasty voices out there.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I hope. I hope you're right because people have got
to get out of the victim mentality and they got
to stop falling for the fear mongering that you brought up.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Appreciate your time.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Go back to being gay, Joe Jack. Thank you, guys,
and I definitely will.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Thanks and Katie thanks for making the introduction.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, thank you Katie, she's the best.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Go back to being.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
I probably will. He say, Well, you know it's it's
a little early, but tonight I promise I'll make good
on that promise.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Okay, all right, see.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
You, Thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Well, tomorrow will introduce my friend John.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
He's gay, I mean he's blind. That's one of my
all time favorite clips, my best clip ever. He climbed
Mount Everest. But he's gay.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
You Eric Wyhan Mayor, who climbed the highest mountain in
the world, Mount Everest. But he's gay, I mean he's gay.
Excuse me, he's blind. So okay, as the break, all right,
now the podcast is over all right,
All right, I'm introducing my gay friend Greg to Armstrong
and Getty. It's one more thing, arm Strong and.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Getty, one more thing, Well go ahead then alrighty, well guys,
this is Greg Gory.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
He is one of my best friends. He was the
man of honor. You know how ladies have their maid
of honor. I had a man of honor and it
was Greg Gory. He is on the Woody Show based
out of la off of Ault ninety eighty seven, and
he's gay.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I'm so honored by that intro, Katie. That was awesome.
And just for the record, I was the person of honor, true,
the person of honor.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yeah, how enlightened of everyone. So I like the fact
that she at least like puts your professional accomplishments in
front of your sexual orientation.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
No, and that's what I appreciate, because you know, people
who are gay like to make that number one out
of one hundred. In my case, it's just one out
of one hundred things. It's not my identity. A lot
of people like to make it the cornerstone of their identity.
And for me, coming out is gay way easier than
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coming out as conservative when you're gay.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Oh, Okay, so you're a conservative gay man.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I am, you know, lifelong right wing Trump supporting Republican
and that's why I don't mesh well in the gay world.
And that's why June weatherwise one of my favorite months,
but politically one of my least favorite months. I can't
stand it.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
You know, Greg, you're working when we're working. Yeah, but
Katie might have told you. I Joe rant a fair
amount about how the concept of gay pride, which I
totally understand coming from the time when you're supposed to
be mortally ashamed of being gay, has morphed into you
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must be down with every angle aspect of radical queer theory,
gender theory, theory in general. And that makes me insane,
and actually several of my gay friends it makes them
insane too.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Well. I'm actually kind of comforted to hear that, because
I thought I was all alone in that. And you're
totally right, Joe. If you look at the history of
what we now call gay pride, it stems from, you know,
a place of like you said, you had to be
in the shadows. It was maybe even illegal, it was ostracized.
It is morphed into this thing that is for somebody
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like me is frankly super embarrassing. First of all, being
gay shouldn't be a source of pride. It's not an accomplishment.
I'm not proud that I gratulations, you know exactly. I'm
not proud that I'm a human being who walks. It's
just what I am. They My issue with pride is
that they have hijacked the exact thing that you just mentioned,
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what it used to be, how it used to be,
how you used to be treated, and in order to
honor that, and then as a gay guy who is
not into pride, I get shamed constantly. You are ignoring
the people that fought for our rights. No, I'm not.
What you're doing is dishonoring the people who fought for
our rights, because if you go out into the street,
you get completely annihilated, wasted. You put on spandex mini
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skirt and roller blades and a boa and face glitters,
and then you have public sex that somehow shows pride.
To me, that shows embarrassment. I'm proud that I have
a good career. I'm proud that I have a partner
of fourteen years. I'm proud that I own a really
nice house, I'm proud of my accomplishments. There's nothing to
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be proud of as far as being gay goes. And
the people that are into Pride number one, they always say,
we're so accepting, we're so open minded. No, try to
go to a Pride parade and have a point of
view that's ever so slightly different. You are gonna be
the enemy. You're gonna be called a bad gay, bad gay. Yeah,
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I've been called that a thousand times. It's kind of
the equivalent if you call an African American person who
has their own mind, Oh you might, You're a sellout,
You're an yal tom. I'm a bad gay because I
don't walk lockstep with the gay pride.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
I'm trying to do the math on this in my head.
So if like three percent of the population is gay,
and then half of that three percent is men, then
you get down to the conservative percentage of that. There
must be like two people in the country you could
have dated.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
It's me and my best friend Jim. We're the two
years that two, we're the two Well.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Seriously, though, like, how many people would agree with you
on this even if they are otherwise politics? You know, conservative,
Republican whatever wouldn't be the same. How many people do
you do you run into? They also think the whole
pride thing is a little over the top at this.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Point, politics aside. I have met a handful of people
who are gay who are not into gay pride. They
think the same thing. I'd rather stay home or I'm
proud of what I've done, not just who I am
or what my sexuality is. I shouldn't even say who
I am because it's not who I am that I
think is a little bit more common than if you're
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conservative and anti pride. For lack of a better way
to explain it, but I don't see it that much.
I have done a few things where I've tried to
reach out to people of like minds, such as the
log Cabin Republicans. I wasn't intelligent enough to hang out
with them. That's all they did was talk about the
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minutia and DC, which I don't really know about. I
just know that when people say, how can you be
good and be a Republican? Okay, who you sleep with
at night doesn't affect my brain. I still have a brain.
Tax policy, then thank you. My tax policy, border policy,
everything that actually affects your life, and when they you
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hear this cliche every year, every especially every election cycle. Oh,
we're gonna lose our rights. And I have asked this
question for years and years and years and years, even
in my talk radio days, where I would like somebody,
I defy somebody. And you can apply this to women too,
with all due respect, What rights as a gay guy
don't I have? What rights as a woman? Does a
(06:11):
woman not have? I have every right that anybody else has. Nobody,
even the flag burning liberal gay guys, can't answer that
question for me. What right don't I have? I have
all my rights, nothing's being taken away. It's paranoia.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Yeah, well right, if you've been studying politics for a
lifetime as we have, it's absolutely transparent fear monitoring to
get people to go to the polls and donate money.
It's just you're under threat. Is the most common political
pitch of well, probably last five thousand years, honestly. But yeah,
are you familiar with the Twitter account Gaye against Groomers.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I have heard of it. Yeah, I'm not too active
on Twitter, but I do do know that.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Good for you. Number one, They've got four hundred and
twenty eight thousand followers. I have no idea how many
of those are gay folks, but their description of who
they are is a nonprofit of gays, lesbians and others
in the community against the sexualization, indoctrination, and medicalization of
children under the guise of lgbt Q I A plus
(07:11):
which brings me to another one of my jihads as
as a dad, especially of three wonderfully unique and nutty
now adult children, all of whom happen to be straight.
But we're a quirky punch. I see this movement of
(07:36):
telling an effeminate boy that he's actually a girl and
needs hormones, then surgery as one of the most horrific
and cruel things humanity has ever done. And I think
before long we will look back on this era with horror.
To what extent? Do you agree?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I agree, I see your point, and I raise your point.
I think the wrong questions are asked of those of
us who believe what you just said. They ask us,
why are you a bigot? Why don't you want drag
queens reading to children? The question should be why do
you want drag queen saying?
Speaker 4 (08:14):
What's the Who came up with this? What is the
what are you trying to accomplish here?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Right? Why don't they go to retirement communities and read
to them. Why do we have to get children involved? Also,
I recall retirement communities, there's gonna be a lot of
eighty year old.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Dudes saying, what the hell is it?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
That's true? Maybe that's not the right venue.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
You got a shave baby. No, it's to indoctrinate the
children into radical gender theory.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
At one hundred percent, And unfortunately the data is not in.
You know, these studies might take decades. We're too new
into this phenomenon. And when you look at the phenomenon,
to me, it's interesting. You see it really only in
certain cities. You don't go to Tuscaloosa and find eighty
four kids saying I think I'm a girl. When I
was a kid, I thought I was James Bond and
(09:00):
night Rider. You know, I wasn't given an Aston Martin
because I thought I was James Bond. Much like if
I thought I was a girl. They're not going to
mutilate my body. The phenomenon to me is weird. I
think it's just gotten, I don't know, popular, for lack
of a better word. It's strange. What you know, that
whole thing that only recently I believe the AMA downgraded
(09:24):
it from a mental disorder. But with all due respect
to the trans people, if you believe you're something else,
it doesn't make it. So as far as the grooming goes,
I do think it's grooming because again, people are asking
the wrong question. It's not that I'm bigoted because I
don't want drag queens talking to kids. The question should
(09:44):
be why do you want to talk to the kids.
And to take it a step further, people say, oh,
you know, I have let's just say a five year
old son. I'm teaching him all the things that you
have to accept about gays and lesbians and trans How
about not talking about any of it. They're going to
learn it as life progresses. Why do we have to
(10:05):
force them at a young age to even learn that
there's Think back to when we were kids. Did I
didn't know there was such thing as gay? I had
my idea.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
I have a twelve year old he's just got out
of sixth grade, and he's been talking about gay, lesbian
trans stuff since he was like eight or nine, because
they talk about it in school all the time.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, I can't even imagine that atmosphere. I mean, we
had to get permission to take sex ed in school,
and now kids in kindergarten are, you know, learning about
drag queens.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
It literally makes no sense to me. And then to
me that whole side of this, I don't know. Let's
call it the gay world. It kind of makes us
all look stupid, and it makes us look one sided,
and it makes us look like we have an agenda.
And it also what it does as far as gay
youth coming up again, and you know, having been a
man who was married to a woman once because of
(11:00):
denying who I was and trying to live a different life.
When I finally came out very late in life, I
was in my thirties. What would have helped me younger
is not to have the Pride movement, because people such
as my parents or people of their generation would see
these Pride parades on TV, for example, they would look
(11:20):
at the crowds, look at the outfits, look at the behavior,
look at the public sex, look at the drunken debauchery
and the idiotic behavior, and it would make them go
from I think I might be accepting of this to wow,
look at these freaks. It's such a mess. And that's
exactly how I was raised. And it made me delay
being who I am because they gave me a bad name,
(11:44):
they gave me a baddebt.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
That is such a great point because that's what I
didn't That's what I thought being gay was was the
stuff I see on TV from the San Francisco Pride parade, right.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Because that's all I'd ever been exposed to.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
So I thought, man, that's a bunch of crazy people, right, And.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
The brilliance of the gay rights movement in say the
seventies and eighties was excuse me, I'm your accountant, I'm
your neighbor, I'm your coworker. Right, I'm your friend. So
I've never worn assless chaps once in my life. Well,
all chat show fundamental misunderstanding of chaps.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
And while we're doing fun facts, there's no such thing
as straight people, just sober people. So good one. No,
but you're totally right. The gay pride movement originally for me,
was to show, Hey, we're just living our lives. We're
just going to the grocery store, we're just going to work. Now,
it's like, look, I'm a victim. I'm always a victim.
(12:47):
Why do you hate me? Why are you a bigot?
I'm not going to go to vacation to a regular resort.
I have to go to a gay resort. I'm going
to go to the baseball game when it's gay night
at the ballpark?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Right?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Why do we want so badly to be victory and
to constantly put ourselves in boxes that, as far as
I can see, maybe I'm completely wrong, But as far
as I can see, I don't think society is trying
to define me or put me into a box or
label me one way. That's self imposed. This victim mentality.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Well, you are only useful politically, Greg if you are
put in that box. If you think independently, you're not.
And I won't wear you out with this stuff, but
we talked about it for amount on our show. It's
all branches in Neo Marxism because workers of the World
unite didn't work, and so they're trying to tear down
the West and Western civilization with sexual minorities of the
(13:40):
world unite, racial minorities of the world unite. If you
are at all oppressed, you must tear down the oppressed sore.
It's all well, it's Marxism under different guys.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And the scary thing to me is how many people
fall for it. I have, like I mentioned, a couple
friends who are conservative like I am, who just see
facts for facts. They don't worry about our rights are
going to be taken away in all those stupid cliches
which are not true. But the amount of people who
do fall for it, and they say, oh, you're right,
our rights are going to be taken away. I remember
(14:13):
the night Trump got elected. I finally went to bet.
I get up at two in the morning. I went
to bed at like one thirty in the morning, took
a thirty minute nap with a smile in my face, thinking, okay,
good he won. Meanwhile, all my mega lefty gay friends
are on Twitter crying, well, today's the day that goes
down in history that we lost all our rights. Oh yeah,
(14:33):
And now here we are in retrospect looking at how
great those four years were, and I'm thinking, okay, can
you again answer me for the fiftieth time, what rights
did we lose? I don't recall any they and if
they want to point to, you know, we're not going
to pay for trans surgery in the military Okay, cool,
Maybe try a different venue for your your lifestyle surgery,
(14:57):
you know, getting the Marines. Yeah, don't rely on the
Marines for it.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
I was trying to remember where I first came across
a split in the in the lifestyle of the community.
I think it was on the Daily Show, but I'm
not positive this. This was quite a few years ago
that Minneapolis was named the best gay city in America
or something like that, and San.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Francisco was outraged.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
But whatever show this was, and I think it was
a daily show featured like a couple, and it was
just a couple of dudes who like, had regular jobs
and wore regular clothes and didn't go to gay pride
parades or anything like that. They mostly went to Costco
on the weekends. And they were just and so San
Francisco was outraged that they were held up as a
gay couple because they weren't doing the thing.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
They weren't being all, you know, flamboyant and crazy and
over the top and drunk more than likely the gays
like to drink, which is true.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Well, we could bond. Sorry, you were gonna make a
point know that.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I mean, that's what I strive for and I think
that's why this whole let's call it a movement is wrong.
That's what they should strive for. Hey, I'm just living
my life. I don't have to ostracize myself. I don't
have to go out of my way to make such
a spectacle. Pride would be fine. They just need to
change the name to like Big Gay Day or Big
(16:17):
Gay Month. You know, I think the word pride, you know,
it bothers me when people go, oh, I'm so proud
to be Irish. Okay, well you didn't win, you didn't
accomplish Irish.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Tell us about your journey to becoming an Irish man?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Right, how did you pass that testable?
Speaker 4 (16:35):
You know, Greg, you made reference to this earlier, but
we've we've long said the true white privilege is you
get to think however you want and vote however you want.
And it occurs to me that's like the straight privilege too.
I can be of whatever political stripe I want, and
and people might reason with me to try to get
me to change, but they're not going to call me
a bad straight guy.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Oh, good point, good pointly man, you get just crucified.
And I've had screaming fights with people who are trying
to convince me that I hate myself, that I hate
my people. You know, I don't hate anybody. The thing
is they want so desperately to be hated so they
(17:18):
can be a victims. It's this endless cycle. It's embarrassing.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Do you talk about this on your good When I
did music radio, I never talked politics at all. Do
you talk about this aspect of your life on your
show or not?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
You know I this particular aspect I do the politics.
Everything I just told you about Trump and all that
I keep very well hidden. It's way too polarizing. But
I have discussed how I'm not a fan of Pride
for these exact reasons. And then every year our company
they put out these questionnaires to on air talents saying,
(17:50):
you know, what are you into? What would you like
to endorse? Is there anything that you won't be a
part of? Because every year every June I get asked, oh,
are you going to be in the the parade for
the company? I said, absolutely not. Read the questionnaire that
you give me. Every year, I tell you I will
not take part in Pride. It's a source of embarrassment.
But yeah, on FM radio, we really kind of steer
(18:12):
clear of politics in general. We'll talk about the big stuff, Oh,
the debate is coming up or whatever, the election, but
we won't really reveal our true politics. I used to
back in the day, in of all places, San Francisco,
when I was doing morning radio in San Francisco is
an outspoken conservative. But to be fair, it was before
I came out of the closet, so okay, But then
(18:36):
then fast forward several years, I did talk politics a
lot after I came out, And also to be fair,
I got a bit of flak from traditional conservatives like
how dare you be on our conservative talk station if
you're gay? And this, that and the other. So I've
gotten it from all directions. It's not an easy Even
(18:57):
though I rallied against putting yourself in a box, it's
not an easy box to be in.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Sure at all. And I think the best point made
is that all chaps are ass lists. You got to
learn one new thing a day.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
That's mine. I tell you what if the wife appeared
in the bedroom wearing chaps like that cow who, It's
a day that will not be forgotten. Greg really really
enjoyed the chat, and don't forget that I think the
vast majority of people say he's a good human being.
I don't care about anything else. I hope the loud,
(19:33):
nasty voices out there.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I hope. I hope you're right because people have got
to get out of the victim mentality and they got
to stop falling for the fear mongering that you brought up.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Appreciate your time.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Go back to being gay, Joe Jack. Thank you, guys,
and I definitely will.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Thanks and Katie thanks for making the introduction.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, thank you Katie, she's the best.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Go back to being.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
I probably will. He say, Well, you know it's it's
a little early, but tonight I promise I'll make good
on that promise.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Okay, all right, see.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
You, Thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Well, tomorrow will introduce my friend John.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
He's gay, I mean he's blind. That's one of my
all time favorite clips, my best clip ever. He climbed
Mount Everest. But he's gay.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
You Eric Wyhan Mayor, who climbed the highest mountain in
the world, Mount Everest. But he's gay, I mean he's gay.
Excuse me, he's blind. So okay, as the break, all right,
now the podcast is over all right,
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Joe Getty
Jack Armstrong
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