October 13, 2025 • 10 mins
First, fake or stupid news? Next, a controversy involving France's 1st Lady leads to accusations of antisemitism between journalists.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What the first lady of France's alleged crank has to
do with anti Semitism. That's right, you heard me.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's one more thing, one more thing. So before we
get to that, I got a question. I don't know,
maybe you guys know the answer to this. I forgot
to research it. I came across his headline. Well, his
online is a headline and something I've never heard of. Right,
there's like nine million different outlets that I've never heard of,
and I don't know which ones are real and which
ones are folk, fake or whatever. This one is something
(00:29):
called the Perennial Mahomes to play trumpet at Travis and
Taylor's wedding. And the quote is I've been training for
this my whole life. Does Patrick Mahomes play the trumpet?
And is he going to play the trumpet at their wedding?
And has he been training for this his whole life?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
If that's fake, I love it because it's so stupid.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Well, it's got a picture.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
What I'm gonna do. I'm gonna post that Patrick Mahomes
is going to play the trumpet at Kelsey's wedding.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Eng and claim this is his dream come true. There's
a picture that is clearly AI if Patrick Mahomes in
a tuxedo with a flower on it, like he's a
groomsman with a trumpet in his mouth. Yes, So that
Internet AI overview says no, there is no indication that
Patrick Mahomes plays the trumpet. Then I agree with Joe
(01:19):
that is one of the where did that come from? Strangest, Hello,
it would be a funny prank to play on people.
How do you explain why that's so funny? It's the
utter stupidity is the wrong word. It's thet I.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Don't know what was the source, the utter lack of
any motivation anybody could possibly have to make that particular
claim that that's what makes it funny.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
It's something called the perennial. It's like saying he adopted
three cats. I mean, who cares, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I see what you mean. It's subtle enough. It's like okay,
because it's not like, you know, has decided to write
a donkey into the wedding chapel or something that would
be no. She say, he's been practicing his whole life,
and he's really looking forward to the opportunity to play
(02:09):
the trump at his best friend's weddingrumpet.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Maybe they're just seeing how far they can get it
to spread, you know, just as in a social experiment.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I gotta start thinking up just random things like that
and see if I can get them going. Yeah, I've
thought of.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
That many many times. I would like to do that.
I mean, and it's so easy these days with you
can fake up the graphics and whatever and see if
you can get this stuff to go viral. But there
are plenty of people already doing that.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And in the headline, mahomes to play trumpet at Travis
and Taylor's wedding quote, I've been training for this my
whole life. How great would that be?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Trumpet? Speaking of internet trollery, what does the alleged pennis
of the First Lady of France have to do with
anti Semitism?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Okay, so back to that story is briefly wife a dude,
which would include such broad shoulders, a pennace, which there
are pictures and videos out there that claim, see you
can see it right there, I mean you can She's
got swinging junk right there, you can see it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Well, I came across a great piece by Cat Rosenfield
in the free press, who talks about how she does
a lot of fairly edgy stuff on the internet and
journalism wise and stuff, and so she's getting she gets
trolled and what she calls humorous outrage and cancelation from
(03:37):
outraged junkies left and right, and one, before we get
into the meat of it, I really like this story, no, dear,
an idiot, she says. I won't trouble you with further
details because they're both ridiculous and unimportant. And for the
most part, these pylons always play out the same way.
The outrage lasts a day or two. While it does,
(03:57):
it's rarely worth engaging in. But in the middle to
this latest one, something unusual, get to the real sausage
of the story for us, a prolific journalist cut that
part out. Yeah, a prolific journalist named Hamilton Kine, who
I have never met nor interacted with, publicly announced that
he was privy to some salacious information about my alleged
racist proclivities courtesy of my most trusted colleagues and family friends.
(04:22):
So this guy is online, and this guy's got a
lot of followers in all claiming that she's really a
serious racist and he's been talking to close family and
friends about it.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Of hers.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I'm friends with her editor and one of her one
of my former publishing colleagues is best friends with her mother.
Dang the stories I've heard. He wrote on X Black
Racist a f So the interesting part of this Cat
Rosenfeld piece about making like wildly unfounded claims about people,
(04:56):
and she she talks about the first Lady and that
whole thing and what's her name, Candice O, and Zoo
keeps going back to it, and she said, originally she
just thought it's about childish idiots troll people online. She says,
worst of all, a world where the only recourse against
(05:16):
these lying liars, even if you're the first Lady, you're
freaking France, is to debase yourself by responding in such
a way that even when you win, you still kind
of lose. And there's a famous saying, and this is
where it turns serious. There's a famous saying often attributed
to Jean Paul Sautre, although it's a paraphrase and it
doesn't matter quote. The anti Semite does not accuse the
(05:37):
Jew of stealing because he thinks he stole something. He
does it because he enjoys watching the Jew turn out
his pockets to prove his innocence. In other words, people
who traffic in destructive rumor mongering are often telling stories
they even they don't believe. The point is not the
lie themselves. The point is the burden it places on
the person being lied about to perform the exhausting, undignified,
(06:00):
humiliating exercise of refuting the allegations.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
That's interesting, So like getting back to Macrohn's wife, So
Candice Owens makes those kind of comments or whatever, it
does put you in the undignified position of proving she's wrong,
or even responding to it right, which would be unpleasant.
And Kat writes, it's about stealing their time and energy,
about the power trip of setting little fires in someone
(06:25):
else's house and then sitting back laughing while they run
around trying to extinguish That sounds about real, exactly like
exactly what is happening?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And then does any she skips ahead talk more about
the Macrone says, does anyone believe this? Probably not, or
at least not at first, But after a while, repeated
allegations of wrongdoing eventually start getting treated like proof in
and of themselves. The first time you walk past the
jew turning out his pockets to prove he isn't a thief,
you sympathize. The seventeenth time you start to wonder, what's
(06:55):
this guy doing so that people are accusing him of
stealing all the time. There's got to be something to it.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Well, I gotta admit I've gone and that's where I've
ended up, not like, not for real, but a little
bit like on the Michelle Obama being a man. Greg
Guttfeld has made that joke so many times that I
start thinking, why are so many people making that joke?
Is there something I'm missing?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, yeah, let's see And sometimes oh, she goes into
the because of the repeated accusation, starts to give people
the idea that maybe I should be Maybe there's something
to this, she says. For this reason, the question of
when to turn out your pockets to fight back and
when to just turn away has no easy answer. Refuting
(07:42):
a falsehood means dignifying it in some sense by stooping
to the liar's level.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Absolutely well.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
That staying silent, on the other hand, can look like
a tacit confirmation that the falsehood is true.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I think that's exactly what Trump did to Obama with
the birth certificate. You put him in the awkward position
of having to, you know, dignify it and refute it.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah. And then she goes into the example of Armie Hammer,
who found himself at the center of one of the
weirder Me Too Maelstroms after a former partner accused him
of rape and physical abuse, along with other sensational offenses.
Though Hammer was never charged, his public denial of the
allegations paradoxically made people wonder if there might be something
to them, especially when accompanied by memorable headlines such as
(08:25):
Armie Hammer denies cannibalism claims.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Oh wow, yeah, yeah right because of the denial. So
you you get into that whole Streisand effect thing where
everybody found out Barber Streisand's address because she was arguing
so much about hey, you don't tell people my address. Yeah,
you end up with that situation.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah. So, but the one part that I will you know,
take away and really keep is that people don't accuse
the jew of stealing because they think they're stealing. They
just want to humiliate them by making them turn their
pocket out over and over again.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
When to fight it and when to just let it
lie is a heck of a that's a heck of
a thing, right. I think everybody starts with I'll let
it lie, but then it starts to grow a little
and you think, well, I need to respond to this.
But then it's off to the races. Now you got
another day of the news story, more headlines. Just like
Katie said, here, you've heard the story of the cannibalism
(09:24):
because of the denial, right right exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
We've always both of us on the show gone with
the policy that we publicize our sins. So you know,
if somebody says, you know, somebody writes the headline Joe
Geddy drinks himself insensible watching a playoff baseball, somebody to
see that and say, oh yeah, they talked about that
for like half an hour Thursday, And.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
It'd be hard to imagine coming up with a headline
that would be more embarrassing to me than things I've
admitted I've done. So that helps.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I got a couple, you know, I am always bringing
up care donible, isn't Michael why I'll do the math,
That's all I'm saying. Me and missus McCrone nibbling on
a nice calf together, and I don't mind the I
mean the kind that says move.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well. I guess that's it.
What the first lady of France's alleged crank has to
do with anti Semitism. That's right, you heard me.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's one more thing, one more thing. So before we
get to that, I got a question. I don't know,
maybe you guys know the answer to this. I forgot
to research it. I came across his headline. Well, his
online is a headline and something I've never heard of. Right,
there's like nine million different outlets that I've never heard of,
and I don't know which ones are real and which
ones are folk, fake or whatever. This one is something
(00:29):
called the Perennial Mahomes to play trumpet at Travis and
Taylor's wedding. And the quote is I've been training for
this my whole life. Does Patrick Mahomes play the trumpet?
And is he going to play the trumpet at their wedding?
And has he been training for this his whole life?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
If that's fake, I love it because it's so stupid.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Well, it's got a picture.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
What I'm gonna do. I'm gonna post that Patrick Mahomes
is going to play the trumpet at Kelsey's wedding.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Eng and claim this is his dream come true. There's
a picture that is clearly AI if Patrick Mahomes in
a tuxedo with a flower on it, like he's a
groomsman with a trumpet in his mouth. Yes, So that
Internet AI overview says no, there is no indication that
Patrick Mahomes plays the trumpet. Then I agree with Joe
(01:19):
that is one of the where did that come from? Strangest, Hello,
it would be a funny prank to play on people.
How do you explain why that's so funny? It's the
utter stupidity is the wrong word. It's thet I.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Don't know what was the source, the utter lack of
any motivation anybody could possibly have to make that particular
claim that that's what makes it funny.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
It's something called the perennial. It's like saying he adopted
three cats. I mean, who cares, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I see what you mean. It's subtle enough. It's like okay,
because it's not like, you know, has decided to write
a donkey into the wedding chapel or something that would
be no. She say, he's been practicing his whole life,
and he's really looking forward to the opportunity to play
(02:09):
the trump at his best friend's weddingrumpet.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Maybe they're just seeing how far they can get it
to spread, you know, just as in a social experiment.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I gotta start thinking up just random things like that
and see if I can get them going. Yeah, I've
thought of.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
That many many times. I would like to do that.
I mean, and it's so easy these days with you
can fake up the graphics and whatever and see if
you can get this stuff to go viral. But there
are plenty of people already doing that.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And in the headline, mahomes to play trumpet at Travis
and Taylor's wedding quote, I've been training for this my
whole life. How great would that be?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Trumpet? Speaking of internet trollery, what does the alleged pennis
of the First Lady of France have to do with
anti Semitism?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Okay, so back to that story is briefly wife a dude,
which would include such broad shoulders, a pennace, which there
are pictures and videos out there that claim, see you
can see it right there, I mean you can She's
got swinging junk right there, you can see it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Well, I came across a great piece by Cat Rosenfield
in the free press, who talks about how she does
a lot of fairly edgy stuff on the internet and
journalism wise and stuff, and so she's getting she gets
trolled and what she calls humorous outrage and cancelation from
(03:37):
outraged junkies left and right, and one, before we get
into the meat of it, I really like this story, no, dear,
an idiot, she says. I won't trouble you with further
details because they're both ridiculous and unimportant. And for the
most part, these pylons always play out the same way.
The outrage lasts a day or two. While it does,
(03:57):
it's rarely worth engaging in. But in the middle to
this latest one, something unusual, get to the real sausage
of the story for us, a prolific journalist cut that
part out. Yeah, a prolific journalist named Hamilton Kine, who
I have never met nor interacted with, publicly announced that
he was privy to some salacious information about my alleged
racist proclivities courtesy of my most trusted colleagues and family friends.
(04:22):
So this guy is online, and this guy's got a
lot of followers in all claiming that she's really a
serious racist and he's been talking to close family and
friends about it.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Of hers.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I'm friends with her editor and one of her one
of my former publishing colleagues is best friends with her mother.
Dang the stories I've heard. He wrote on X Black
Racist a f So the interesting part of this Cat
Rosenfeld piece about making like wildly unfounded claims about people,
(04:56):
and she she talks about the first Lady and that
whole thing and what's her name, Candice O, and Zoo
keeps going back to it, and she said, originally she
just thought it's about childish idiots troll people online. She says,
worst of all, a world where the only recourse against
(05:16):
these lying liars, even if you're the first Lady, you're
freaking France, is to debase yourself by responding in such
a way that even when you win, you still kind
of lose. And there's a famous saying, and this is
where it turns serious. There's a famous saying often attributed
to Jean Paul Sautre, although it's a paraphrase and it
doesn't matter quote. The anti Semite does not accuse the
(05:37):
Jew of stealing because he thinks he stole something. He
does it because he enjoys watching the Jew turn out
his pockets to prove his innocence. In other words, people
who traffic in destructive rumor mongering are often telling stories
they even they don't believe. The point is not the
lie themselves. The point is the burden it places on
the person being lied about to perform the exhausting, undignified,
(06:00):
humiliating exercise of refuting the allegations.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
That's interesting, So like getting back to Macrohn's wife, So
Candice Owens makes those kind of comments or whatever, it
does put you in the undignified position of proving she's wrong,
or even responding to it right, which would be unpleasant.
And Kat writes, it's about stealing their time and energy,
about the power trip of setting little fires in someone
(06:25):
else's house and then sitting back laughing while they run
around trying to extinguish That sounds about real, exactly like
exactly what is happening?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And then does any she skips ahead talk more about
the Macrone says, does anyone believe this? Probably not, or
at least not at first, But after a while, repeated
allegations of wrongdoing eventually start getting treated like proof in
and of themselves. The first time you walk past the
jew turning out his pockets to prove he isn't a thief,
you sympathize. The seventeenth time you start to wonder, what's
(06:55):
this guy doing so that people are accusing him of
stealing all the time. There's got to be something to it.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Well, I gotta admit I've gone and that's where I've
ended up, not like, not for real, but a little
bit like on the Michelle Obama being a man. Greg
Guttfeld has made that joke so many times that I
start thinking, why are so many people making that joke?
Is there something I'm missing?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, yeah, let's see And sometimes oh, she goes into
the because of the repeated accusation, starts to give people
the idea that maybe I should be Maybe there's something
to this, she says. For this reason, the question of
when to turn out your pockets to fight back and
when to just turn away has no easy answer. Refuting
(07:42):
a falsehood means dignifying it in some sense by stooping
to the liar's level.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Absolutely well.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
That staying silent, on the other hand, can look like
a tacit confirmation that the falsehood is true.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I think that's exactly what Trump did to Obama with
the birth certificate. You put him in the awkward position
of having to, you know, dignify it and refute it.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah. And then she goes into the example of Armie Hammer,
who found himself at the center of one of the
weirder Me Too Maelstroms after a former partner accused him
of rape and physical abuse, along with other sensational offenses.
Though Hammer was never charged, his public denial of the
allegations paradoxically made people wonder if there might be something
to them, especially when accompanied by memorable headlines such as
(08:25):
Armie Hammer denies cannibalism claims.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Oh wow, yeah, yeah right because of the denial. So
you you get into that whole Streisand effect thing where
everybody found out Barber Streisand's address because she was arguing
so much about hey, you don't tell people my address. Yeah,
you end up with that situation.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah. So, but the one part that I will you know,
take away and really keep is that people don't accuse
the jew of stealing because they think they're stealing. They
just want to humiliate them by making them turn their
pocket out over and over again.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
When to fight it and when to just let it
lie is a heck of a that's a heck of
a thing, right. I think everybody starts with I'll let
it lie, but then it starts to grow a little
and you think, well, I need to respond to this.
But then it's off to the races. Now you got
another day of the news story, more headlines. Just like
Katie said, here, you've heard the story of the cannibalism
(09:24):
because of the denial, right right exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
We've always both of us on the show gone with
the policy that we publicize our sins. So you know,
if somebody says, you know, somebody writes the headline Joe
Geddy drinks himself insensible watching a playoff baseball, somebody to
see that and say, oh yeah, they talked about that
for like half an hour Thursday, And.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
It'd be hard to imagine coming up with a headline
that would be more embarrassing to me than things I've
admitted I've done. So that helps.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I got a couple, you know, I am always bringing
up care donible, isn't Michael why I'll do the math,
That's all I'm saying. Me and missus McCrone nibbling on
a nice calf together, and I don't mind the I
mean the kind that says move.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well. I guess that's it.
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