December 19, 2025 • 9 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's a simple laugh down on the Chinese baby farm.
It's one more thing, time to slap the babies. Paul,
what the hell, Oh my god, what are you talking about?
This is crazy. I remember I brought this story to
(00:22):
the show a few months ago, These Chinese baby farms
in La.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Babies and farms and rows and waterings.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It's more a metaphor than that. But so it starts
with this. This judge in family Court, Amy Pellman, she's
just reviewing routine surrogacy petitions, because when you have a
baby via surrogacy, there are forms you fill out that
you know, you become the guardian of the child, the
parent of the child legally, and the surrogate mother, the
(00:55):
birthing lady, gives up the essentially the rights to the
child and all. But it's a very very routine thing
in courts. But clerks working for this judge noticed the
same name again and again and again. This Chinese billionaire
was seeking parental rights to at least four unborn children,
(01:19):
and they thought, wait a minute, what's going on here.
So they did a search on the name and found
out he'd already fathered was in the process of fathering
at least eight more, all through surrogates. This Chinese billionaire
was seeking parental rights to at least four children. Blah
blah blah blah blah. He was so, but it's more
(01:40):
than a dozen now. So the judge called him in
for a confidential hearing summer ago, but he never entered
the courtroom. He appeared via video. Speaking through an interpreter.
He explained that he hoped to have twenty or so
US born children through surrogacy, all boys because they're superior
to girls. Well less to say, no, no, it's all
(02:06):
IVF okay, Yeah he wants is making all these other
one Oh that was a stretch it to the dragon
with too bad maybe anyway, Uh, he's breeding this army
of US born kids to one day take over his business.
Surrogacy is illegal in China, I believe, and so a
(02:32):
lot of Chinese people who want to have a child
versus via surrogates come to the United States. But a
couple of them have jumped to everybody's attention because it's
not like they want one or two kids. They're they're
literally using US women as like breeding sows. Chinese elites
(02:52):
and billionaires are going outside of China where domestic surrogacy
is illegal. To quietly have large numbers of US babies.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Is not. It's not a compliment. Nobody wants to be
called a breeding sow. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Okay, you tell us we're mansplaining. Oh yeah, I would
love to be called a breeding sow. Well, don't nobody
will call you that.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
This whole serviuce thing thing. They make a lot of
money the way that do this, even just the whole
legal just an America sort of version, you may, yeah,
in America they do wow, Like.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Chinese billionaires are paying a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, dang it didn't now Now now I'm wishing I
was a woman, or maybe maybe I should change my sex.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So uh yeah, men can give birth. We've learned that
over and over again. Go ahead and try so.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
If you're like a healthy twenty eight year old woman
who wants to make your money this way, do you
have any idea how much money you could make cranking
out a kid every couple of years.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I don't think they mentioned it here, but I've seen
you can make six figures per baby. Yeah, that's probably
the top end. Because, for instance, a thriving mini industry
of American surrogacy agencies, law firms, clinic delivery agency, eight
delivery agencies, and nanny services. They'll even pick up the
(04:13):
newborn from the hospital. They've risen to accommodate the demand,
permitting parents to ship their gymnetic material abroad and get
a baby delivered back at the cost of up to
two hundred thousand dollars per child. That's for the whole shebang.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, I've seen that. Just getting pregnant with the baby
and having it you can make anywhere between seventy five
and one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And I know two people that have done this. Of course,
deciding to have nine months of your life be that
and then you know what it does to your body
and the recovery and it's no minor deal.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Right, But picture that. So this Chinese billionaire there are
other ones we're going to feature, but sends his sperms
to the United States. You a surrogate is impregnated, she
gives birth, the kid gets grabbed by the nanny slash
delivery service who delivers the baby slot off. They go, well, yeah,
(05:15):
but seriously, what is it? Does that now sound like
a breeding operation, do you think? And then they bring
you your little piglet that happens to be a human being.
Let's see where's this other guy.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Seems to run counter to the way we look at
human beings. The United States see that as being the problem.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Some Chinese parents, inspired by Elon Musk's Fourteen Known Children,
pay millions in surrogacy fees to hire women in the
US to help them build families of jaw dropping size.
That one guy who we mentioned, Zoo Shue is his
name's Exu, calls himself China's first father, and is known
as China as a vocal critic of feminism on social
(05:55):
Media's company said he has more than one hundred children
born through urgency in the US. Another wealthy Chinese executive,
Wang Hu O Woo Woo Woo, hired US models and
others as egg donors to have ten girls. Oh so
he's working team female with the aim of one day
marrying them off to powerful men. Again. Down on the
(06:19):
baby farm.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Of enormous size, you meant the number of people, not
the individuals.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Just giants, all of them.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Eighty pound babies four feet long.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Ooh, usually large families referring to the number indeed, uh
some oh no, we already did that part. Uh. The
growing Asian market for you for international fertility services has
drawn the attention of American investors, including Peter Thiel, whose
family is backed a chain of IVF clinics across Southeast
(06:56):
Asia and recently opened a branch in Los Angeles. Where
there's demand, there will be a supply. Where was that
there was one more thing I wanted to tell you, Eh, whatever, Oh,
here it is.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Here it is. You're in the midst of pregnancy, Katie,
as I'm sure you could attest. It's not like an
easy thing to do. It should it should pay a
lot before you'd be willing to go through it.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, it's not easy. I do know some people that
it has been relatively easy for. And I have a
friend that actually says, oh, I loved being pregnant.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Where I just look at her like, what she's risking
a beating? If that was true for you.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I sat next to a woman on a plane one
time who told me she had three kids, and she
told me the best times I've ever felt my life, Literally,
the best I've ever felt was that I was pregnant
all three times. Man, you got to keep that to yourself. Yeah,
she should only tell your priest and the therapist that story.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, and and and my wife, I know her three
prepregnancies were a lot like our three kids, very different
from each other. Yeah, So what I was looking for
is other Chinese clients, many, many, many of them are
seeking more typical numbers of babies. They're high powered executives,
lacking the time and inclination to bear their own children.
Try the natural way. It's not bad. Older parents are
(08:19):
same sex couples. According to people who range these surrocacy deals,
all have the wealth to go outside China while maintaining
the privacy needed to manage potential logistical, publicity and legal
issues back home. And some have the political clout to
avoid censure. And the market's grown so sophisticated. As we
started to describe earlier, a lot of these guys have
(08:41):
had us born children with out ever setting foot in
the country. They just do it all by mail, including
the kid. Obviously, the kid is brought back, yeah, personally
to China. But it's just unbelievable. Yeah on savory that is.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, Yeah, I just know I take parenthood so seriously.
I just can't imagine having bunches and bunches of kids
out there with my DNA, and I just don't think
much about what becomes of them.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I think about the families that are going through IVF
that just pray and pray for one right.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Right, right. Several of this Hue Bows kids were being
raised by nannies in nearby Irvine as they awaited paperwork
to travel to China. He hasn't met them, he told
the judge, because work had been busy. Oh, I'm telling
you it's a puppy mill, but humans, China.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
No value for human life at all, whatsoever?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Trueette, Well, I don't know. The guy wants a hundred kids.
He's got to puts some value on it.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Well, I guess that's it.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Don't trust China. Where was that? Michael Lazy Laz
It's a simple laugh down on the Chinese baby farm.
It's one more thing, time to slap the babies. Paul,
what the hell, Oh my god, what are you talking about?
This is crazy. I remember I brought this story to
(00:22):
the show a few months ago, These Chinese baby farms
in La.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Babies and farms and rows and waterings.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It's more a metaphor than that. But so it starts
with this. This judge in family Court, Amy Pellman, she's
just reviewing routine surrogacy petitions, because when you have a
baby via surrogacy, there are forms you fill out that
you know, you become the guardian of the child, the
parent of the child legally, and the surrogate mother, the
(00:55):
birthing lady, gives up the essentially the rights to the
child and all. But it's a very very routine thing
in courts. But clerks working for this judge noticed the
same name again and again and again. This Chinese billionaire
was seeking parental rights to at least four unborn children,
(01:19):
and they thought, wait a minute, what's going on here.
So they did a search on the name and found
out he'd already fathered was in the process of fathering
at least eight more, all through surrogates. This Chinese billionaire
was seeking parental rights to at least four children. Blah
blah blah blah blah. He was so, but it's more
(01:40):
than a dozen now. So the judge called him in
for a confidential hearing summer ago, but he never entered
the courtroom. He appeared via video. Speaking through an interpreter.
He explained that he hoped to have twenty or so
US born children through surrogacy, all boys because they're superior
to girls. Well less to say, no, no, it's all
(02:06):
IVF okay, Yeah he wants is making all these other
one Oh that was a stretch it to the dragon
with too bad maybe anyway, Uh, he's breeding this army
of US born kids to one day take over his business.
Surrogacy is illegal in China, I believe, and so a
(02:32):
lot of Chinese people who want to have a child
versus via surrogates come to the United States. But a
couple of them have jumped to everybody's attention because it's
not like they want one or two kids. They're they're
literally using US women as like breeding sows. Chinese elites
(02:52):
and billionaires are going outside of China where domestic surrogacy
is illegal. To quietly have large numbers of US babies.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Is not. It's not a compliment. Nobody wants to be
called a breeding sow. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Okay, you tell us we're mansplaining. Oh yeah, I would
love to be called a breeding sow. Well, don't nobody
will call you that.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
This whole serviuce thing thing. They make a lot of
money the way that do this, even just the whole
legal just an America sort of version, you may, yeah,
in America they do wow, Like.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Chinese billionaires are paying a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, dang it didn't now Now now I'm wishing I
was a woman, or maybe maybe I should change my sex.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So uh yeah, men can give birth. We've learned that
over and over again. Go ahead and try so.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
If you're like a healthy twenty eight year old woman
who wants to make your money this way, do you
have any idea how much money you could make cranking
out a kid every couple of years.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I don't think they mentioned it here, but I've seen
you can make six figures per baby. Yeah, that's probably
the top end. Because, for instance, a thriving mini industry
of American surrogacy agencies, law firms, clinic delivery agency, eight
delivery agencies, and nanny services. They'll even pick up the
(04:13):
newborn from the hospital. They've risen to accommodate the demand,
permitting parents to ship their gymnetic material abroad and get
a baby delivered back at the cost of up to
two hundred thousand dollars per child. That's for the whole shebang.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, I've seen that. Just getting pregnant with the baby
and having it you can make anywhere between seventy five
and one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And I know two people that have done this. Of course,
deciding to have nine months of your life be that
and then you know what it does to your body
and the recovery and it's no minor deal.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Right, But picture that. So this Chinese billionaire there are
other ones we're going to feature, but sends his sperms
to the United States. You a surrogate is impregnated, she
gives birth, the kid gets grabbed by the nanny slash
delivery service who delivers the baby slot off. They go, well, yeah,
(05:15):
but seriously, what is it? Does that now sound like
a breeding operation, do you think? And then they bring
you your little piglet that happens to be a human being.
Let's see where's this other guy.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Seems to run counter to the way we look at
human beings. The United States see that as being the problem.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Some Chinese parents, inspired by Elon Musk's Fourteen Known Children,
pay millions in surrogacy fees to hire women in the
US to help them build families of jaw dropping size.
That one guy who we mentioned, Zoo Shue is his
name's Exu, calls himself China's first father, and is known
as China as a vocal critic of feminism on social
(05:55):
Media's company said he has more than one hundred children
born through urgency in the US. Another wealthy Chinese executive,
Wang Hu O Woo Woo Woo, hired US models and
others as egg donors to have ten girls. Oh so
he's working team female with the aim of one day
marrying them off to powerful men. Again. Down on the
(06:19):
baby farm.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Of enormous size, you meant the number of people, not
the individuals.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Just giants, all of them.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Eighty pound babies four feet long.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Ooh, usually large families referring to the number indeed, uh
some oh no, we already did that part. Uh. The
growing Asian market for you for international fertility services has
drawn the attention of American investors, including Peter Thiel, whose
family is backed a chain of IVF clinics across Southeast
(06:56):
Asia and recently opened a branch in Los Angeles. Where
there's demand, there will be a supply. Where was that
there was one more thing I wanted to tell you, Eh, whatever, Oh,
here it is.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Here it is. You're in the midst of pregnancy, Katie,
as I'm sure you could attest. It's not like an
easy thing to do. It should it should pay a
lot before you'd be willing to go through it.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, it's not easy. I do know some people that
it has been relatively easy for. And I have a
friend that actually says, oh, I loved being pregnant.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Where I just look at her like, what she's risking
a beating? If that was true for you.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I sat next to a woman on a plane one
time who told me she had three kids, and she
told me the best times I've ever felt my life, Literally,
the best I've ever felt was that I was pregnant
all three times. Man, you got to keep that to yourself. Yeah,
she should only tell your priest and the therapist that story.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, and and and my wife, I know her three
prepregnancies were a lot like our three kids, very different
from each other. Yeah, So what I was looking for
is other Chinese clients, many, many, many of them are
seeking more typical numbers of babies. They're high powered executives,
lacking the time and inclination to bear their own children.
Try the natural way. It's not bad. Older parents are
(08:19):
same sex couples. According to people who range these surrocacy deals,
all have the wealth to go outside China while maintaining
the privacy needed to manage potential logistical, publicity and legal
issues back home. And some have the political clout to
avoid censure. And the market's grown so sophisticated. As we
started to describe earlier, a lot of these guys have
(08:41):
had us born children with out ever setting foot in
the country. They just do it all by mail, including
the kid. Obviously, the kid is brought back, yeah, personally
to China. But it's just unbelievable. Yeah on savory that is.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, Yeah, I just know I take parenthood so seriously.
I just can't imagine having bunches and bunches of kids
out there with my DNA, and I just don't think
much about what becomes of them.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I think about the families that are going through IVF
that just pray and pray for one right.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Right, right. Several of this Hue Bows kids were being
raised by nannies in nearby Irvine as they awaited paperwork
to travel to China. He hasn't met them, he told
the judge, because work had been busy. Oh, I'm telling
you it's a puppy mill, but humans, China.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
No value for human life at all, whatsoever?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Trueette, Well, I don't know. The guy wants a hundred kids.
He's got to puts some value on it.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Well, I guess that's it.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Don't trust China. Where was that? Michael Lazy Laz
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