Heidi Ganahl fills in for Dan during the first hour and is joined by XX-XY Athletics founder Jennifer Sey to discuss how the Republican party can better appeal to formerly liberal women who may be open to a change.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hello everyone, this is not Dan Kaplis. This is Heidigena
filling in for Dan. I believe he's stuck in a
trial today and he may join us in the second hour.
Super excited to be here today, Ryan, I'm going to
have some fun today and talk about women in politics,
specifically Republican women, and how on earth we can support
(00:35):
Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I like it because there's a turning point here and
we've seen it a lot with yourself running as the
nominee for the Republican Party as the candidate for governor
against Jared Polis, who, I might add, in my opinion,
is one of the most anti woman governors that we've
ever had, and his comments continue to follow along those lines.
(00:58):
But you're absolutely right the lot of up and coming
and establish strong Republican women in politics that really get
overlooked by the mainstream media.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I agree, and you know, I know a lot of them,
and I know we all face a lot of the
same comments and ridicule and questioning by some of our
liberal friends and the liberal media. Uh, you know, because
a lot of the traditional women's issues are seen as
on the Democrat side, where I think it's shifting. I
truly think it's starting to shift. So today I want
(01:30):
to dig into some of those issues and talk about
what it means for the election in a few weeks.
So if we look back President Biden in twenty twenty,
he won by He won fifty percent of suburban voters
and fifty seven percent of female voters.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
That's a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
He beat Trump by two percentage points in the former
category of fifteen percentage points in the latter group. So
with women, I think it's going to be a little
bit different this time, even though we have a woman candidate.
And the reason I think that is that a lot
of people, a lot of women, are waking up to
(02:06):
how extreme the Democrats' views are an abortion. I think
they're waking up to how freedom loving and advocating we
are for them on health issues, health freedom issues specifically.
And we'll talk a little bit about Nicole Shanahan, who
was Robert Kennedy's VP pick who's come out strong for Trump?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And then I also think that some of the.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Issues we're facing right now really affect women. If you
think about it, women care about being safe. They want
their family to be safe, they want to earn a
good income, and they want to see their neighborhoods healthy
and strong. They don't want a lot of crime. So
a lot of these issues are going to trend more.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Women to pick Trump.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
The in the know, the secrecy of their ballot picking,
I think maybe they don't say it out loud, but
I think when the numbers come out afterwards, we're going
to see a shocking surprising number of women that voted
for Donald Trump versus in the last couple elections.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
What's your take on that? Oops, I think Ryan's busy, right.
Can you provide a definition for the word woman?
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Can I provide a definition?
Speaker 6 (03:19):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
You can't.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Not akay context, I'm not a biology of the.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Word woman is so unclear and controversial that you can't
give me a definition, Senator.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
In my work as a judge, what I do is
I address dispute. If there's a dispute about a definition,
people make arguments and I look at the law and
I decide.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
So that was Marcia Blackburn the Tennessee Center asking Kaitanji
Brown Jackson during her twenty two Supreme Court confirmation hearings
could she provide a definition.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
For the word woman? And she danced around it.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
She couldn't really come up with an answer, and she
ended up noting that she was not a biologist. And
I thought that was hilarious. I'm like, you don't need
to be a biologist, especially if you're a woman, to
know that you're a woman. But that's the crazy society
that we live in right now. And recently I read
an article that just made me chuckle. Its title was
(04:23):
it was a New York magazine article and it said
the baffling contradictory demands of being female in the Party
of Donald Trump. And I thought, well, that clip kind
of says it all. I'm sorry, Ryan, and I wasn't
where you were playing the clip when I was like.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Where are you talk to me?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
But I think it just kind of encapsulates everything that's
going on right now with this scratching of the head,
like how come Donald Trump's making such inroads with women
across America, and we talked a little bit about his
appearance last night at the rally and how kind of
Lucy was and how comfortable he seemed in New York.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
He showed the softer side of.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Himself, just funny and silly and having a good time.
And he did that on The Great gut Field Show
last night too, and I thought, I thought, boy, if
women across America could see this side of him and
have a conversation with him like the hosts were, I
think they would feel very differently about what they're hearing
from the mainstream media, the left leaning media that does
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not want you seeing any good side of Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I don't know. Did you watch Gutfield last night?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Right?
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, Kelly and I both watched the whole thing on
our own and came up with a bunch of these clips.
Speaker 7 (05:36):
Here, So spin the wheel whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I'll play it like I think I wanted you to
play number nineteen, where he's talking about a certain woman
who helped save his life or find the person who
tried to take his life.
Speaker 8 (05:51):
And it was really great work again by secret service
and a woman who saw somebody running and running for
the car because he was caught and the Secret Service
agents started shooting at him. Didn't do any talking, said,
just that's a barrel of a gun started shooting, which
was amazing that he saw it. And then he started shooting.
And so this man is running to the car and
(06:11):
a woman is a woman. Of course, woman's always a woman, right.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
We found, Well, but we'll think about them. How smart?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Who would do this?
Speaker 8 (06:20):
She sees somebody running and she didn't like the way
he looked. He looked very suspicious, and followed him and
took the car, parked it right behind his and started
taking pictures of the license plate.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Who would do that?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Karen?
Speaker 8 (06:33):
And then said, and then sent the picture to the sheriff,
who's great sheriff of pop Each county, and sent the
pictures to the sheriff's office, and they got him in
a high speed chase down the highway. But who would
do that? I mean, he said, out of a thousand incidents,
would that ever happen?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
And they said, very rarely a thing like that.
Speaker 8 (06:52):
So she's very much of a heroin, right, heroin?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You know? I think Trump spen surrounded by strong women
his whole career, his whole life. He's been married to
a couple of them. I mean, Milania is a very strong, beautiful,
articulate woman.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I think she speaks five languages or something crazy like that.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
But he also hired the very first woman campaign manager
that was able to get a president across the finish line,
Kelly and Conway and Kelly Ann Boy. She took control
of that race and drove it home and has been
a force in politics since then. And of course his
press spokesperson was Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who's now the governor
(07:34):
of Arkansas. Fantastic Republican woman who's doing all the right
things in Arkansas to turn that state into one of
the gems in this country. They're really really making a
dramatic difference there, especially on school choice and education. Sarah
Huckeby Sanders is doing a fantastic job. And the list
goes on. I mean, I think that one thing that
(07:56):
kind of cracked me up was when Brittany Mahomes recently
liked one of Donald Trump's tweets, and of course Taylor
Swift had come out and endorsed Kamala Harris, and so
it started kind of this thing like our Brittany Mahomes
and Taylor's Swift at war with each other. But yesterday
on the View, I think you have this clip. Oh
(08:17):
my gosh, you got to play this Ryan, It's terrible.
Speaker 9 (08:20):
So your initial point, I know you said we weren't
going to talk about it, but I was.
Speaker 10 (08:24):
It just seems to me that since she is in.
Speaker 9 (08:27):
An interracial marriage, she should have known that to support
a racist is problematic. Her children are are biracial, and
her family is one of the families that in the
seventies could not have lived in any of Donald Trump's buildings.
Speaker 10 (08:43):
So it just seems to me that maybe she's just
not that politically savvy, or maybe she's just not read it.
Speaker 9 (08:53):
Granted, but all we know is that she liked a
Trump post.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
We don't know she hasn't.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Supported him, but that's fair to interpret.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
That she may have, but we don't know that she's
a supporter.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well, maybe Brittany wants women to have safety, and maybe
she wants us to have a strong military, and maybe
she wants us to have a strong police force and
be protected in her home and have her kids grow
up in a safe America.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I mean, give me a break.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
That just is so demeaning to women that we're not
allowed to have a different opinion from her, or it's
all about race, it's all about us being naive or
unsophisticated or uneducated. Nothing could be further than the truth.
And it takes a lot right now for women to
stand up and outwardly support Donald Trump and be a
Republican because we get so much flack. And you know,
(09:42):
I do think we've got to we've got to be
a little bit conscientious about bringing the suburban women into
our party and playing you know a little bit ah,
how do I say this, Just getting our softer side
out there about why we support and why we believe
in his policies. And I think Nicole Shanahan is doing
(10:04):
a fantastic job of that with her Make American Healthy
Again mantra with Robert Kennedy Junior. And we're going to
talk about that after the break, and then at four
thirty five we'll have Jennifer say, come on and join
the conversation about women and their role in the election
of Donald Trump, because I do think they're going to
be a force in that. But let's go to break.
(10:24):
This is Heidi Ganall hosting for Dan Kapls.
Speaker 7 (10:28):
And now back to the Dan Kapless Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
It's Heidi Ganall filling in for Dan Caples. So happy
to be here with you this afternoon, and we're talking
all things women in politics, specifically women in the upcoming.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Election, and how on earth could.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
We as women be Republicans and support Donald Trump President
Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
He had a great quote.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I can't remember if this was on Gufelder one of
the other shows. I think women living in the suburbs,
he says, Why wouldn't they like me?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I keep the suburbs safe.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I stop low income towers from rising right along their house,
and I'm keeping the illegal ilate aliens away from the suburbs.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I think that they like me a lot. I think
it's a lot of fake polls.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Trump says, well, as I was doing a little research
for the show today, I came across this wild article
written by a very liberal journalist who says, I was
sure that.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
God was punishing me in twenty twenty when.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Across my road was a large pink women for Trump
flag waving in the breeze on a high pole. Why
in the world would any woman love Donald J. Trump,
a liar and dishonorable bully. Why would any man with integrity,
not reject him as unfit and a flawed leader.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Why was I taking it personally?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
After all, the pink flag was not a personal betrayal.
But that's what it's like out there, Ryan, That's what
it's like being a conservative. Women were like a specimen
that people have to examine, Like, what's.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Going to something wrong with you? That's right, what is
your defect? The island of miss fit toys.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
She goes on to say that women who love and
support Trump have usually grown up with men who they
perceive to be real men, and they often become a partner, spouse,
or employee if someone perceived as powerful, and that many
of the women who admire Trump are psychologically identified with him.
I don't even know what that means, but it's bizarre.
(12:23):
Maybe it's just because we like his policies. Maybe it's because,
like we were talking about earlier, he just makes us
feel like he's got control of the country, of the
situation in the world of our economy, and that things
were pretty good for four years under President Donald Trump.
But the reality is a lot of women vote in elections.
(12:46):
In fact, says here, ten million more women are registered
to vote than men in America, and you know.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
A lot of them turn out to vote.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
But what's weird is in a recent poll, only fifty
six percent of women aged eighteen to twenty nine say
they intend.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
To vote this year.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
That's crazy, like a lot of the younger women are
not planning to vote, and of course they tend to
lean more Democrat.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
And then older women show up big time.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Ninety one percent of women age sixty five and older
are registered and they skew fifty seven to forty two Republican,
which is a big win for us in the GOP.
So you've got some interesting trends there.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Now.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
They make it seem on the news like all women
across America vote Democrat. That's not accurate at all. So
right now, about fifty three percent of women who are
registered to vote lean Democrat, forty seven percent lean Republican.
So I you know, I think it's a big part
of the race. But do I think it's the end
all bl and going to decide the election. No, I don't,
(13:50):
because if you look at the number of men also
that are voting for Trump, it's making up for that
in droves. What's your take on all of this in
the whole demographic analysis. Ryan, how do you feel about
women's role in this upcoming election.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
It's incredibly important, especially as you mentioned that kind of
middling group that's in the suburbs.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
They may be torn.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
For instance, they may be very pro choice when it
comes to the abortion issue, but they're very anti transing
the kids and having trans females compete in female sports,
whether it's girls or women's or be in locker rooms
are the same. And I think there are a lot
of maybe center left or center or even center right
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female voters out there who are averse to Donald Trump personally.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
They just are for whatever reason.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
But for the two topics I just stated, they're torn,
and how they come down in this vote, I think
is going to go a long way in determining the
winner of this election.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I think that's a great point. And I was trying
to look at.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Information across the spectrum today when I was researching this,
and Glamour magazine did a really big pull with YouGov
in January. This shar to discover it, like what do
women voters across the country care about?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Like what are they really voting on?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
All of us think it's abortion and that's the only issue,
but actually abortion was number seven down the list.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Wow, So the economy was.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Number one, healthcare was number two, cost of housing number three,
criminal justice, then gum policy, foreign policy, then abortion.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
And I think it can be overstated and oversimplified and overdistilled.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
And I think it's insulting to women to reduce.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Them to that one issue about whether or not they
can keep a pregnancy, and that's all they care about.
And that's all Kamala Harris has campaigning on when it
comes to women, that's it.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
It's a solo issue.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
But I'll tell you, Heidi, more than I care to admit,
there are women that I know that that is their issue.
It's a past fail grade. They vote Democrat no matter
what because of it. And I can't understand it personally,
But I'm a man, So what am I supposed to sing?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Well, I think there's some good data out there that
says that it's more complex, it's more in the weeds
than they like to make it appear. And one of
the things that was shocking to me in that last debate,
and I wrote about it in Rocky Mountain Voice last week,
was when Kama Harris said that nowhere in America is
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a woman carrying a pregnancy to term and asking for
an abortion that is not an abortion, that.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Is not happening. She said, it's absolutely not happening.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Well, guess what it's happening right here in Colorado. And
I wrote about doctor Warren hurd Uve bin Boulder, who
has performed over forty thousand abortions since nineteen seventy five,
most of them third trimester. He does abortions at any
point in the pregnancy, and he does it right up.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
The road in Boulder, Colorado.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And not to mention, Jared Poulis, our governor, just signed
the Reproductive Health Act Equity Act into law in twenty
two which permits abortion for any reason in Colorado at
any stage of pregnancy. And they are now trying to
memorialize that at the ballot box in just a few
weeks with a constitutional amendment. And they're also going to
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allow government funds to be able to use those funds
to pay for abortions, which most women in Colorado. I
don't know that they know that, And I don't know
that women in Colorado understand that we are one of
the most extreme abortion How do I say this, one
(17:34):
of the most extreme states in the country for access
to abortion, and I just I think we need to
talk more about the reality of what's happening here in
Colorado in the third trimester, and that late term abortion
is not just some you know once in a you know,
one in ten million women.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
It happens, and that's the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
It happens quite often, especially here in Colorado, because women
come here to get it, which is really disturbing to me.
So I think that's going to play in the election
a little bit, maybe in Colorado without on the ballot box,
we'll see. This is Heidi Ganall I'm hosting for Dan Caplis.
Coming up next, we'll have Jennifer Say on the show
(18:16):
to talk more about.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Women and the election.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
You're listening to The Dan Caplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
This is Heidi Ganaal filling in for Dan Caplis, and
boy do we have one of the best joining us now,
Jennifer Say. Who is She grew up as a gymnastics
champion and then worked her way up at Levi's and
was very, very powerful and ready to take over I
think leadership there when she stood up for kids and
(18:56):
the fact that the schools were being closed down in
San Francisco. There wasn't right and got sideways with Levi's
and now I think it's led her loose, and she's
one of the badass women warriors fighting for women's rights
across America.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Jen, you there, I'm here, Hi, Heidi.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Hi, How you doing.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
I'm doing great? How are you chat with you?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You too?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Boy? Jen?
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I am so proud to be your friend. You're You're
just you're speaking for so many of us out there
on the airwaves, and I want you to tell folks
a little bit about what you're up to with your
coming documentary with your XXXY Athletics company.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
It just got a lot going on.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Yeah, I might sometimes I think too much. I fight
off a little more than I could chew. I'm sure
you know what.
Speaker 11 (19:41):
That feels like.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
Yeah, two big, two big things happening for me right now.
Five months ago, actually almost six, not quite six months ago,
I watched my own brand called xx x Y Athletics.
We are the only athletic brand that's standing up for
the protection of women's sports. It's that simple. And you know,
after I left Levi's, I started to interview and it
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became clear very quickly that no one was going to
give me a job unless I was willing to bend
the knee, and I was not willing.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
To do that.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
And so I looked around at all the athletics brands,
and I mean I was embarrassed for them. Frankly, you know,
they claim they pretend to champion women athletes, female athletes,
and not one has put a stake in the ground
to say that women deserve safety, privacy and fairness. We
deserve our own sports. So I thought, who better than
me to start my own brands? I know brands. I
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was in a weak athlete, as you mentioned, a gymnast,
and I am fine saying things that are true, but
perhaps inconvenience. So I started this brand a few months ago.
It's going really well. We do, I mean, startups are
hard enough, and you know, and we have additional obstacles
because we keep getting banned and censored, but people are
finding us, and I think, you know, my goal is
(20:57):
to normalize standing up for women and girls, because the
act is most people agree with us, but they're too
afraid to stand up and say it because you get
smeared as the biggest But I think if we can
make really amazing products, and we can just sort of
normalize putting it out there in the culture that it's
okay we can stand up for ourselves. Then I think
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we can we can make change. So that's the big
needs in my life. And I hope everybody goes and
checks out the brand a xx that xy Athletics dot com.
We have a lot of amazing products. Is non gimmicks.
We make world class products. You can put your Nike side,
your Nike leggings aside and tryouds. And then I have
a movie, a documentary called Generation COVID that is almost
(21:38):
done that is about the harms and the impact of
the long school closures to children across America.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Well, that's fantastic. Don When do you think the movie
is coming out? Do you know yet?
Speaker 6 (21:49):
I don't know. It's almost done, and I'm in the
you know, I'm working on the distribution. I want wide, broad,
mainstream distribution. Everybody needs to see this movie. People may
be hear here directly from the kids themselves what they experience.
Nobody's done that, and so you know, it's a bunch
of politicians arguing with each other and we're not listening
(22:10):
to what actually happened to children. And families across the country.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, it feels like the media, the late liberal media,
has memory hold that whole, like that whole conversation about
what happened to our kids. Yet us as moms, I know,
you have four kids, I have four kids.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
We're living it.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
We're still living with the consequences of all those terrible decisions.
And even in Colorado they made terrible decisions about closing
the schools. And one thing that drives me nuts is
we veer towards what about women and politics? Is that
they talk so much about choice, and during COVID, polists
(22:46):
and so many other governors and all the Democrat politicians
mandated that women get the vaccination and fired them if
they wouldn't do it women healthcare workers especially, How does
that jive?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
It does?
Speaker 6 (23:00):
It's wildly inconsistent, But nobody cares. They have their sound
bites and their talking points, and I agree with you.
Why is no one I don't understand why this is
not a topic in this election. The fact that our
kids are struggling, they're still far far behind from the
learning loss that happened during COVID. Absolute te rates chronic
(23:23):
abstantism is twice what it was before COVID, And you know,
I watched the debate from start to finish, and there
wasn't a single question asked about what are we going
to do about our kids that are continuing to struggle
and suffer? And you know, disappointingly, it wasn't It doesn't
(23:44):
matter if the questions ask talk about it. Well, the
Democrats don't want to talk about it because the Democrats
kept schools closed for nineteen months in deep blue states.
That's why I left California. Now I came here, and
you're right, this wasn't perfect, but I will tell you
it was a lot better than California. There was not
a single open in California. What private schools were There
was not a single public school opening California until September
(24:06):
twenty twenty one. I mean, it's horrible. And how this
isn't a primary topic of conversation in this campaign season,
I don't really understand. And I was actually disappointed that
that Trump didn't raise it. He doesn't need to be
asked the question to speak to it. You know, he
(24:26):
advocated for open schools in the summer of twenty twenty,
which almost guaranteed they wouldn't open in blue states, but
he was on the right side of that issue, and
he should have spoken to it. I think I thought
that was a missed opportunity.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well, Jen, maybe we can clip this interview and tag
him and see if he won't start talking about it more,
because I think he has a real opportunity to bring
more women his way. And one of the things I
chatted about earlier in the show was Nicole Shanahan and
this whole movement towards make America healthy again, and I
I truly believe this is one of the key ways
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we're going to connect with women because all of us
moms are really thinking.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Hard about the health issues.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
The environmental issues, the pharmaceutical industry, vaccinations, all those things
that are affecting our children so deeply. And Nicole had
a daughter, She has a daughter who was diagnosed with
autism at the age of eighteen months and was she
got all the regular vaccinations at seven months and was
a totally you know, normal kid, meeting all the milestones
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and was a completely different kid within a few months
of that. But Nichole's got a great story and she
admits she was a total progressive and now here she
is wearing her MAGA hat and shouting from the rooftops
that Trump is the right one to check the box for.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Yeah. I mean, look, it's just I mean, I'm not born.
I like Nicole was a progressive. I would have called
myself left and left of center, but COVID really changed
everything for me. I am radicalized for school choice. For instance,
my kids here in Denver both go to a public
charter school. We're very happy there. You know. That's what
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kind of changed my way of thinking. But somehow, through
marketing and tagline, the DEMS have sort of positioned themselves
as the party that is for women. Well, I myself
will not vote for someone who does my two issues
our free speech, and you've got to know what a
woman is, because how can you protect a woman's rights
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if you can't even name a woman. If you think
men can be women, then you aren't protecting Title nine
and women's rights. I also wish he'd brought up Title
nine and the egregious horrific rewrights that the Biden administration did,
which basically erased women's sex base rights in the education system.
And I have every base that if Trump wins, he
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would reverse that horrible rewrite and put the original title
line back in place, and I wish he would have
said that. As you well know, the DEM's position themselves
is the party that is sort of more pro woman,
and they've effected somewhat effectively. You know, they keep lying,
and they keep saying, for instance, that you know Trump
(27:14):
and Vans are going to outlaw Yep, they've said the opposite.
They've said the exact opposite. They haven't said that, and
so I don't know that. I think the Republicans and
Trump have an opportunity to message better here because you're
right on a lot of issues that women care about,
school choice being one an education for our kids, more broadly,
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being too bodily autonomy when it comes to medication and vaccine.
You know, I lean that way, you know I will
lean that way, and I think we can't let them
have the they can't own that. You know, we're the
party that's for women.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
We've got to take a quick break.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Would you be willing to stay on and talk more
about this, because I think branding our brand, our Republican brand,
is so important to nail down right now and talk about.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I'd love to have you.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
So this is Heidi Ganol with Dan Kaplis, Jen and
I will be right.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Back after the break.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
And now back to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Is Heidie Gannall filling in for Dan Kaplis with my
special guest Jennifer Say, Jennifer, we were just digging into
branding and the Republican Party and you are.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
A branding guru. That's you're so talented. From that perspective, what.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Would you do if you took over the GOP the
Republican Party and had to basically refresh the brand?
Speaker 6 (28:39):
Oh my goodness, you know what, that's a hard question.
I would want to think about it. I actually thought
watching the convention, they did a really good job on that.
I thought that they came across as a big tent.
I thought that having younger speakers, more diverse speakers, speakers
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like Bert Rose, who I know, some conservative that we're
critical of, but I feel like, as someone you know,
who spent my life on the left, having her there
and explaining how she had changed her mind, it gives
permission to other people to change their mind. You know.
I thought that was really well done. I really did.
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I thought it was really well done. And so I
think it's just more of that. You know, I think
we need to I'm not a register Republican. I'll just
say that, I'm a sorry, I'm a REDID. They need
to just keep doing that, you know that they need that.
The Democrats pretend they are the big tent party, but
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time and time again they show that that is not
the case. There is no diversity of the thought welcome.
They didn't even let the people pick the candidate. Like,
how is that open and democratic and welcoming? You know,
you can only think one way. And I think that
that is what I would this on if I were
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in charge of branding, is how do we kind of
open our arms welcome, welcome everyone, We welcome diversity of thoughts.
We champion freedom and individual liberty. That's what's important. I mean,
for me, if I was going to vote based on
one thing, it would be who do I believe is
going to protect my right to free speech? If I
had to prioritize one thing over anything else, And both
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Trump and Vance have spoken to that, I think quite
eloquently in the last week. Really and again I think
it was a bit of a missed opportunity not to
talk about it in the debate, But like that's a winner,
I think, yeah, And I think that's hammer at home.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
That's why Elon Musk is so on board with Trump.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I mean he's literally wearing his Maga hat online, it seems.
But yeah, And what I really liked about the convention
was the everyday Americans theme. And I was there and
just the sprinkling of real Americans telling their stories, a
lot of them women and moms, was so impactful and
it just was very meaningful. We have a caller that
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would like to join our conversation and ask a question
about abortion.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
If you're okay with that.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
That's a big issue in the Republican Party about how
to talk about that.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Mary, welcome to the show.
Speaker 11 (31:16):
Yes, I have two things to say, and I better
be quick. It looks like on the polling there are
a lot of people that would not answer a survey
for the door or anything else that they don't want
to be hassled.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
It's a great point, Mary.
Speaker 11 (31:33):
Don't matter.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, I think the polling is all over the place.
It's really hard to tell what's going on. Pulling wise,
I think Real Clear Politics average has come all up
one point nine. But Trump is favored on all the issues,
which I think is.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
More meaningful in a way. But great comment. Mary, what
was your other comment?
Speaker 11 (31:53):
My other comment was I watched online an abortion doctor
explain exactly what happened and how it's done, and I
don't think most people have any idea. And I'll we
have to use the vacuum and suck the baby out
and shout all the arms and legs on the table
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and make sure they have all the parts first semester
for first three of fields.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
It's better, it's bad.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Mary, Yeah, I think I think that's going around a
lot online, people talking about the realities of the procedure,
especially late term abortion, which in Colorado is legal up
up until birth. So thank you for your call, Mary,
I really appreciate it. And Jen, what's your take on
how we navigate the pro choice pro life conversation because
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it's such an important one in the conservative movement.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
Oh boy, that's a sticky, wicked I'm asking you.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Some tough questions today.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I'm so excited to have you on it and I
want to tap into your expertise.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Well, I believe that, and I might be wrong, but
the polls that I have seen show that something around
seventy percent of Americans our choice with restrictions. I think
reasonable people. I think making abortion completely illegal is a loser. Honestly,
(33:29):
I apologize to my friends to our pro life I
think politically that is not a winning position, and I
think Trump has stated his position clearly, which is leave
it to the states, which I tend to agree with.
Somehow the Democrats are lying about what his position is,
and it's like sticking and so I think he needs
(33:50):
to just keep saying it over and over. He has
said explicitly he is not for a national abortion band. Now,
there may be someone the right that are opposed to
him saying that, but he has said it explicitly. He
has said explicitly this is a tangential but related issue,
that he is supportive of IVF. And yet somehow Harris
and Walls are out there saying he would ban IVS
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and he would enact a national abortion ban, and those
are both unpopular positions nationally. A national abortion ban and
banning IVS and IVF is essentially, I think, as someone
who's gone through it, a very.
Speaker 11 (34:29):
Polite position.
Speaker 6 (34:30):
In a sense, I think there should be more regulation
around the industry. I think there's a lot of weirdness
that happens but I don't know. I was older and
I met my husband, and we wanted to have kids
and we couldn't. And I feel really blessed that I
was able to do that and I had these two amazing,
beautiful children.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Well me too, Jen. We've got to wrap up.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
We've got to wrap up, and I'm sorry for asking
you these tough questions, but you've done a fabulous job
and I'm so blessed to have you on the show.
Thanks for all you do. This is Heidi Ganal on
the Dan Kaplas Show. Thanks Jan will see you soon.
This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hello everyone, this is not Dan Kaplis. This is Heidigena
filling in for Dan. I believe he's stuck in a
trial today and he may join us in the second hour.
Super excited to be here today, Ryan, I'm going to
have some fun today and talk about women in politics,
specifically Republican women, and how on earth we can support
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Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I like it because there's a turning point here and
we've seen it a lot with yourself running as the
nominee for the Republican Party as the candidate for governor
against Jared Polis, who, I might add, in my opinion,
is one of the most anti woman governors that we've
ever had, and his comments continue to follow along those lines.
(00:58):
But you're absolutely right the lot of up and coming
and establish strong Republican women in politics that really get
overlooked by the mainstream media.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I agree, and you know, I know a lot of them,
and I know we all face a lot of the
same comments and ridicule and questioning by some of our
liberal friends and the liberal media. Uh, you know, because
a lot of the traditional women's issues are seen as
on the Democrat side, where I think it's shifting. I
truly think it's starting to shift. So today I want
(01:30):
to dig into some of those issues and talk about
what it means for the election in a few weeks.
So if we look back President Biden in twenty twenty,
he won by He won fifty percent of suburban voters
and fifty seven percent of female voters.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
That's a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
He beat Trump by two percentage points in the former
category of fifteen percentage points in the latter group. So
with women, I think it's going to be a little
bit different this time, even though we have a woman candidate.
And the reason I think that is that a lot
of people, a lot of women, are waking up to
(02:06):
how extreme the Democrats' views are an abortion. I think
they're waking up to how freedom loving and advocating we
are for them on health issues, health freedom issues specifically.
And we'll talk a little bit about Nicole Shanahan, who
was Robert Kennedy's VP pick who's come out strong for Trump?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And then I also think that some of the.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Issues we're facing right now really affect women. If you
think about it, women care about being safe. They want
their family to be safe, they want to earn a
good income, and they want to see their neighborhoods healthy
and strong. They don't want a lot of crime. So
a lot of these issues are going to trend more.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Women to pick Trump.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
The in the know, the secrecy of their ballot picking,
I think maybe they don't say it out loud, but
I think when the numbers come out afterwards, we're going
to see a shocking surprising number of women that voted
for Donald Trump versus in the last couple elections.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
What's your take on that? Oops, I think Ryan's busy, right.
Can you provide a definition for the word woman?
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Can I provide a definition?
Speaker 6 (03:19):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
You can't.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Not akay context, I'm not a biology of the.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Word woman is so unclear and controversial that you can't
give me a definition, Senator.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
In my work as a judge, what I do is
I address dispute. If there's a dispute about a definition,
people make arguments and I look at the law and
I decide.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
So that was Marcia Blackburn the Tennessee Center asking Kaitanji
Brown Jackson during her twenty two Supreme Court confirmation hearings
could she provide a definition.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
For the word woman? And she danced around it.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
She couldn't really come up with an answer, and she
ended up noting that she was not a biologist. And
I thought that was hilarious. I'm like, you don't need
to be a biologist, especially if you're a woman, to
know that you're a woman. But that's the crazy society
that we live in right now. And recently I read
an article that just made me chuckle. Its title was
(04:23):
it was a New York magazine article and it said
the baffling contradictory demands of being female in the Party
of Donald Trump. And I thought, well, that clip kind
of says it all. I'm sorry, Ryan, and I wasn't
where you were playing the clip when I was like.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Where are you talk to me?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
But I think it just kind of encapsulates everything that's
going on right now with this scratching of the head,
like how come Donald Trump's making such inroads with women
across America, and we talked a little bit about his
appearance last night at the rally and how kind of
Lucy was and how comfortable he seemed in New York.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
He showed the softer side of.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Himself, just funny and silly and having a good time.
And he did that on The Great gut Field Show
last night too, and I thought, I thought, boy, if
women across America could see this side of him and
have a conversation with him like the hosts were, I
think they would feel very differently about what they're hearing
from the mainstream media, the left leaning media that does
(05:24):
not want you seeing any good side of Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I don't know. Did you watch Gutfield last night?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Right?
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, Kelly and I both watched the whole thing on
our own and came up with a bunch of these clips.
Speaker 7 (05:36):
Here, So spin the wheel whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I'll play it like I think I wanted you to
play number nineteen, where he's talking about a certain woman
who helped save his life or find the person who
tried to take his life.
Speaker 8 (05:51):
And it was really great work again by secret service
and a woman who saw somebody running and running for
the car because he was caught and the Secret Service
agents started shooting at him. Didn't do any talking, said,
just that's a barrel of a gun started shooting, which
was amazing that he saw it. And then he started shooting.
And so this man is running to the car and
(06:11):
a woman is a woman. Of course, woman's always a woman, right.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
We found, Well, but we'll think about them. How smart?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Who would do this?
Speaker 8 (06:20):
She sees somebody running and she didn't like the way
he looked. He looked very suspicious, and followed him and
took the car, parked it right behind his and started
taking pictures of the license plate.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Who would do that?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Karen?
Speaker 8 (06:33):
And then said, and then sent the picture to the sheriff,
who's great sheriff of pop Each county, and sent the
pictures to the sheriff's office, and they got him in
a high speed chase down the highway. But who would
do that? I mean, he said, out of a thousand incidents,
would that ever happen?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
And they said, very rarely a thing like that.
Speaker 8 (06:52):
So she's very much of a heroin, right, heroin?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You know? I think Trump spen surrounded by strong women
his whole career, his whole life. He's been married to
a couple of them. I mean, Milania is a very strong, beautiful,
articulate woman.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I think she speaks five languages or something crazy like that.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
But he also hired the very first woman campaign manager
that was able to get a president across the finish line,
Kelly and Conway and Kelly Ann Boy. She took control
of that race and drove it home and has been
a force in politics since then. And of course his
press spokesperson was Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who's now the governor
(07:34):
of Arkansas. Fantastic Republican woman who's doing all the right
things in Arkansas to turn that state into one of
the gems in this country. They're really really making a
dramatic difference there, especially on school choice and education. Sarah
Huckeby Sanders is doing a fantastic job. And the list
goes on. I mean, I think that one thing that
(07:56):
kind of cracked me up was when Brittany Mahomes recently
liked one of Donald Trump's tweets, and of course Taylor
Swift had come out and endorsed Kamala Harris, and so
it started kind of this thing like our Brittany Mahomes
and Taylor's Swift at war with each other. But yesterday
on the View, I think you have this clip. Oh
(08:17):
my gosh, you got to play this Ryan, It's terrible.
Speaker 9 (08:20):
So your initial point, I know you said we weren't
going to talk about it, but I was.
Speaker 10 (08:24):
It just seems to me that since she is in.
Speaker 9 (08:27):
An interracial marriage, she should have known that to support
a racist is problematic. Her children are are biracial, and
her family is one of the families that in the
seventies could not have lived in any of Donald Trump's buildings.
Speaker 10 (08:43):
So it just seems to me that maybe she's just
not that politically savvy, or maybe she's just not read it.
Speaker 9 (08:53):
Granted, but all we know is that she liked a
Trump post.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
We don't know she hasn't.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Supported him, but that's fair to interpret.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
That she may have, but we don't know that she's
a supporter.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well, maybe Brittany wants women to have safety, and maybe
she wants us to have a strong military, and maybe
she wants us to have a strong police force and
be protected in her home and have her kids grow
up in a safe America.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I mean, give me a break.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
That just is so demeaning to women that we're not
allowed to have a different opinion from her, or it's
all about race, it's all about us being naive or
unsophisticated or uneducated. Nothing could be further than the truth.
And it takes a lot right now for women to
stand up and outwardly support Donald Trump and be a
Republican because we get so much flack. And you know,
(09:42):
I do think we've got to we've got to be
a little bit conscientious about bringing the suburban women into
our party and playing you know a little bit ah,
how do I say this, Just getting our softer side
out there about why we support and why we believe
in his policies. And I think Nicole Shanahan is doing
(10:04):
a fantastic job of that with her Make American Healthy
Again mantra with Robert Kennedy Junior. And we're going to
talk about that after the break, and then at four
thirty five we'll have Jennifer say, come on and join
the conversation about women and their role in the election
of Donald Trump, because I do think they're going to
be a force in that. But let's go to break.
(10:24):
This is Heidi Ganall hosting for Dan Kapls.
Speaker 7 (10:28):
And now back to the Dan Kapless Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
It's Heidi Ganall filling in for Dan Caples. So happy
to be here with you this afternoon, and we're talking
all things women in politics, specifically women in the upcoming.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Election, and how on earth could.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
We as women be Republicans and support Donald Trump President
Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
He had a great quote.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I can't remember if this was on Gufelder one of
the other shows. I think women living in the suburbs,
he says, Why wouldn't they like me?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I keep the suburbs safe.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I stop low income towers from rising right along their house,
and I'm keeping the illegal ilate aliens away from the suburbs.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I think that they like me a lot. I think
it's a lot of fake polls.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Trump says, well, as I was doing a little research
for the show today, I came across this wild article
written by a very liberal journalist who says, I was
sure that.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
God was punishing me in twenty twenty when.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Across my road was a large pink women for Trump
flag waving in the breeze on a high pole. Why
in the world would any woman love Donald J. Trump,
a liar and dishonorable bully. Why would any man with integrity,
not reject him as unfit and a flawed leader.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Why was I taking it personally?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
After all, the pink flag was not a personal betrayal.
But that's what it's like out there, Ryan, That's what
it's like being a conservative. Women were like a specimen
that people have to examine, Like, what's.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Going to something wrong with you? That's right, what is
your defect? The island of miss fit toys.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
She goes on to say that women who love and
support Trump have usually grown up with men who they
perceive to be real men, and they often become a partner, spouse,
or employee if someone perceived as powerful, and that many
of the women who admire Trump are psychologically identified with him.
I don't even know what that means, but it's bizarre.
(12:23):
Maybe it's just because we like his policies. Maybe it's because,
like we were talking about earlier, he just makes us
feel like he's got control of the country, of the
situation in the world of our economy, and that things
were pretty good for four years under President Donald Trump.
But the reality is a lot of women vote in elections.
(12:46):
In fact, says here, ten million more women are registered
to vote than men in America, and you know.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
A lot of them turn out to vote.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
But what's weird is in a recent poll, only fifty
six percent of women aged eighteen to twenty nine say
they intend.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
To vote this year.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
That's crazy, like a lot of the younger women are
not planning to vote, and of course they tend to
lean more Democrat.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
And then older women show up big time.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Ninety one percent of women age sixty five and older
are registered and they skew fifty seven to forty two Republican,
which is a big win for us in the GOP.
So you've got some interesting trends there.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Now.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
They make it seem on the news like all women
across America vote Democrat. That's not accurate at all. So
right now, about fifty three percent of women who are
registered to vote lean Democrat, forty seven percent lean Republican.
So I you know, I think it's a big part
of the race. But do I think it's the end
all bl and going to decide the election. No, I don't,
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because if you look at the number of men also
that are voting for Trump, it's making up for that
in droves. What's your take on all of this in
the whole demographic analysis. Ryan, how do you feel about
women's role in this upcoming election.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
It's incredibly important, especially as you mentioned that kind of
middling group that's in the suburbs.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
They may be torn.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
For instance, they may be very pro choice when it
comes to the abortion issue, but they're very anti transing
the kids and having trans females compete in female sports,
whether it's girls or women's or be in locker rooms
are the same. And I think there are a lot
of maybe center left or center or even center right
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female voters out there who are averse to Donald Trump personally.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
They just are for whatever reason.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
But for the two topics I just stated, they're torn,
and how they come down in this vote, I think
is going to go a long way in determining the
winner of this election.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I think that's a great point. And I was trying
to look at.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Information across the spectrum today when I was researching this,
and Glamour magazine did a really big pull with YouGov
in January. This shar to discover it, like what do
women voters across the country care about?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Like what are they really voting on?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
All of us think it's abortion and that's the only issue,
but actually abortion was number seven down the list.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Wow, So the economy was.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Number one, healthcare was number two, cost of housing number three,
criminal justice, then gum policy, foreign policy, then abortion.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
And I think it can be overstated and oversimplified and overdistilled.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
And I think it's insulting to women to reduce.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Them to that one issue about whether or not they
can keep a pregnancy, and that's all they care about.
And that's all Kamala Harris has campaigning on when it
comes to women, that's it.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
It's a solo issue.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
But I'll tell you, Heidi, more than I care to admit,
there are women that I know that that is their issue.
It's a past fail grade. They vote Democrat no matter
what because of it. And I can't understand it personally,
But I'm a man, So what am I supposed to sing?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Well, I think there's some good data out there that
says that it's more complex, it's more in the weeds
than they like to make it appear. And one of
the things that was shocking to me in that last debate,
and I wrote about it in Rocky Mountain Voice last week,
was when Kama Harris said that nowhere in America is
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a woman carrying a pregnancy to term and asking for
an abortion that is not an abortion, that.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Is not happening. She said, it's absolutely not happening.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Well, guess what it's happening right here in Colorado. And
I wrote about doctor Warren hurd Uve bin Boulder, who
has performed over forty thousand abortions since nineteen seventy five,
most of them third trimester. He does abortions at any
point in the pregnancy, and he does it right up.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
The road in Boulder, Colorado.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And not to mention, Jared Poulis, our governor, just signed
the Reproductive Health Act Equity Act into law in twenty
two which permits abortion for any reason in Colorado at
any stage of pregnancy. And they are now trying to
memorialize that at the ballot box in just a few
weeks with a constitutional amendment. And they're also going to
(17:13):
allow government funds to be able to use those funds
to pay for abortions, which most women in Colorado. I
don't know that they know that, And I don't know
that women in Colorado understand that we are one of
the most extreme abortion How do I say this, one
(17:34):
of the most extreme states in the country for access
to abortion, and I just I think we need to
talk more about the reality of what's happening here in
Colorado in the third trimester, and that late term abortion
is not just some you know once in a you know,
one in ten million women.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
It happens, and that's the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
It happens quite often, especially here in Colorado, because women
come here to get it, which is really disturbing to me.
So I think that's going to play in the election
a little bit, maybe in Colorado without on the ballot box,
we'll see. This is Heidi Ganall I'm hosting for Dan Caplis.
Coming up next, we'll have Jennifer Say on the show
(18:16):
to talk more about.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Women and the election.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
You're listening to The Dan Caplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
This is Heidi Ganaal filling in for Dan Caplis, and
boy do we have one of the best joining us now,
Jennifer Say. Who is She grew up as a gymnastics
champion and then worked her way up at Levi's and
was very, very powerful and ready to take over I
think leadership there when she stood up for kids and
(18:56):
the fact that the schools were being closed down in
San Francisco. There wasn't right and got sideways with Levi's
and now I think it's led her loose, and she's
one of the badass women warriors fighting for women's rights
across America.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Jen, you there, I'm here, Hi, Heidi.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Hi, How you doing.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
I'm doing great? How are you chat with you?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You too?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Boy? Jen?
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I am so proud to be your friend. You're You're
just you're speaking for so many of us out there
on the airwaves, and I want you to tell folks
a little bit about what you're up to with your
coming documentary with your XXXY Athletics company.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
It just got a lot going on.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Yeah, I might sometimes I think too much. I fight
off a little more than I could chew. I'm sure
you know what.
Speaker 11 (19:41):
That feels like.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
Yeah, two big, two big things happening for me right now.
Five months ago, actually almost six, not quite six months ago,
I watched my own brand called xx x Y Athletics.
We are the only athletic brand that's standing up for
the protection of women's sports. It's that simple. And you know,
after I left Levi's, I started to interview and it
(20:04):
became clear very quickly that no one was going to
give me a job unless I was willing to bend
the knee, and I was not willing.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
To do that.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
And so I looked around at all the athletics brands,
and I mean I was embarrassed for them. Frankly, you know,
they claim they pretend to champion women athletes, female athletes,
and not one has put a stake in the ground
to say that women deserve safety, privacy and fairness. We
deserve our own sports. So I thought, who better than
me to start my own brands? I know brands. I
(20:34):
was in a weak athlete, as you mentioned, a gymnast,
and I am fine saying things that are true, but
perhaps inconvenience. So I started this brand a few months ago.
It's going really well. We do, I mean, startups are
hard enough, and you know, and we have additional obstacles
because we keep getting banned and censored, but people are
finding us, and I think, you know, my goal is
(20:57):
to normalize standing up for women and girls, because the
act is most people agree with us, but they're too
afraid to stand up and say it because you get
smeared as the biggest But I think if we can
make really amazing products, and we can just sort of
normalize putting it out there in the culture that it's
okay we can stand up for ourselves. Then I think
(21:18):
we can we can make change. So that's the big
needs in my life. And I hope everybody goes and
checks out the brand a xx that xy Athletics dot com.
We have a lot of amazing products. Is non gimmicks.
We make world class products. You can put your Nike side,
your Nike leggings aside and tryouds. And then I have
a movie, a documentary called Generation COVID that is almost
(21:38):
done that is about the harms and the impact of
the long school closures to children across America.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Well, that's fantastic. Don When do you think the movie
is coming out? Do you know yet?
Speaker 6 (21:49):
I don't know. It's almost done, and I'm in the
you know, I'm working on the distribution. I want wide, broad,
mainstream distribution. Everybody needs to see this movie. People may
be hear here directly from the kids themselves what they experience.
Nobody's done that, and so you know, it's a bunch
of politicians arguing with each other and we're not listening
(22:10):
to what actually happened to children. And families across the country.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, it feels like the media, the late liberal media,
has memory hold that whole, like that whole conversation about
what happened to our kids. Yet us as moms, I know,
you have four kids, I have four kids.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
We're living it.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
We're still living with the consequences of all those terrible decisions.
And even in Colorado they made terrible decisions about closing
the schools. And one thing that drives me nuts is
we veer towards what about women and politics? Is that
they talk so much about choice, and during COVID, polists
(22:46):
and so many other governors and all the Democrat politicians
mandated that women get the vaccination and fired them if
they wouldn't do it women healthcare workers especially, How does
that jive?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
It does?
Speaker 6 (23:00):
It's wildly inconsistent, But nobody cares. They have their sound
bites and their talking points, and I agree with you.
Why is no one I don't understand why this is
not a topic in this election. The fact that our
kids are struggling, they're still far far behind from the
learning loss that happened during COVID. Absolute te rates chronic
(23:23):
abstantism is twice what it was before COVID, And you know,
I watched the debate from start to finish, and there
wasn't a single question asked about what are we going
to do about our kids that are continuing to struggle
and suffer? And you know, disappointingly, it wasn't It doesn't
(23:44):
matter if the questions ask talk about it. Well, the
Democrats don't want to talk about it because the Democrats
kept schools closed for nineteen months in deep blue states.
That's why I left California. Now I came here, and
you're right, this wasn't perfect, but I will tell you
it was a lot better than California. There was not
a single open in California. What private schools were There
was not a single public school opening California until September
(24:06):
twenty twenty one. I mean, it's horrible. And how this
isn't a primary topic of conversation in this campaign season,
I don't really understand. And I was actually disappointed that
that Trump didn't raise it. He doesn't need to be
asked the question to speak to it. You know, he
(24:26):
advocated for open schools in the summer of twenty twenty,
which almost guaranteed they wouldn't open in blue states, but
he was on the right side of that issue, and
he should have spoken to it. I think I thought
that was a missed opportunity.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well, Jen, maybe we can clip this interview and tag
him and see if he won't start talking about it more,
because I think he has a real opportunity to bring
more women his way. And one of the things I
chatted about earlier in the show was Nicole Shanahan and
this whole movement towards make America healthy again, and I
I truly believe this is one of the key ways
(25:03):
we're going to connect with women because all of us
moms are really thinking.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Hard about the health issues.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
The environmental issues, the pharmaceutical industry, vaccinations, all those things
that are affecting our children so deeply. And Nicole had
a daughter, She has a daughter who was diagnosed with
autism at the age of eighteen months and was she
got all the regular vaccinations at seven months and was
a totally you know, normal kid, meeting all the milestones
(25:31):
and was a completely different kid within a few months
of that. But Nichole's got a great story and she
admits she was a total progressive and now here she
is wearing her MAGA hat and shouting from the rooftops
that Trump is the right one to check the box for.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Yeah. I mean, look, it's just I mean, I'm not born.
I like Nicole was a progressive. I would have called
myself left and left of center, but COVID really changed
everything for me. I am radicalized for school choice. For instance,
my kids here in Denver both go to a public
charter school. We're very happy there. You know. That's what
(26:09):
kind of changed my way of thinking. But somehow, through
marketing and tagline, the DEMS have sort of positioned themselves
as the party that is for women. Well, I myself
will not vote for someone who does my two issues
our free speech, and you've got to know what a
woman is, because how can you protect a woman's rights
(26:31):
if you can't even name a woman. If you think
men can be women, then you aren't protecting Title nine
and women's rights. I also wish he'd brought up Title
nine and the egregious horrific rewrights that the Biden administration did,
which basically erased women's sex base rights in the education system.
And I have every base that if Trump wins, he
(26:52):
would reverse that horrible rewrite and put the original title
line back in place, and I wish he would have
said that. As you well know, the DEM's position themselves
is the party that is sort of more pro woman,
and they've effected somewhat effectively. You know, they keep lying,
and they keep saying, for instance, that you know Trump
(27:14):
and Vans are going to outlaw Yep, they've said the opposite.
They've said the exact opposite. They haven't said that, and
so I don't know that. I think the Republicans and
Trump have an opportunity to message better here because you're
right on a lot of issues that women care about,
school choice being one an education for our kids, more broadly,
(27:35):
being too bodily autonomy when it comes to medication and vaccine.
You know, I lean that way, you know I will
lean that way, and I think we can't let them
have the they can't own that. You know, we're the
party that's for women.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
We've got to take a quick break.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Would you be willing to stay on and talk more
about this, because I think branding our brand, our Republican brand,
is so important to nail down right now and talk about.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I'd love to have you.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
So this is Heidi Ganol with Dan Kaplis, Jen and
I will be right.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Back after the break.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
And now back to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Is Heidie Gannall filling in for Dan Kaplis with my
special guest Jennifer Say, Jennifer, we were just digging into
branding and the Republican Party and you are.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
A branding guru. That's you're so talented. From that perspective, what.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Would you do if you took over the GOP the
Republican Party and had to basically refresh the brand?
Speaker 6 (28:39):
Oh my goodness, you know what, that's a hard question.
I would want to think about it. I actually thought
watching the convention, they did a really good job on that.
I thought that they came across as a big tent.
I thought that having younger speakers, more diverse speakers, speakers
(28:59):
like Bert Rose, who I know, some conservative that we're
critical of, but I feel like, as someone you know,
who spent my life on the left, having her there
and explaining how she had changed her mind, it gives
permission to other people to change their mind. You know.
I thought that was really well done. I really did.
(29:20):
I thought it was really well done. And so I
think it's just more of that. You know, I think
we need to I'm not a register Republican. I'll just
say that, I'm a sorry, I'm a REDID. They need
to just keep doing that, you know that they need that.
The Democrats pretend they are the big tent party, but
(29:42):
time and time again they show that that is not
the case. There is no diversity of the thought welcome.
They didn't even let the people pick the candidate. Like,
how is that open and democratic and welcoming? You know,
you can only think one way. And I think that
that is what I would this on if I were
(30:03):
in charge of branding, is how do we kind of
open our arms welcome, welcome everyone, We welcome diversity of thoughts.
We champion freedom and individual liberty. That's what's important. I mean,
for me, if I was going to vote based on
one thing, it would be who do I believe is
going to protect my right to free speech? If I
had to prioritize one thing over anything else, And both
(30:24):
Trump and Vance have spoken to that, I think quite
eloquently in the last week. Really and again I think
it was a bit of a missed opportunity not to
talk about it in the debate, But like that's a winner,
I think, yeah, And I think that's hammer at home.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
That's why Elon Musk is so on board with Trump.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I mean he's literally wearing his Maga hat online, it seems.
But yeah, And what I really liked about the convention
was the everyday Americans theme. And I was there and
just the sprinkling of real Americans telling their stories, a
lot of them women and moms, was so impactful and
it just was very meaningful. We have a caller that
(31:05):
would like to join our conversation and ask a question
about abortion.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
If you're okay with that.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
That's a big issue in the Republican Party about how
to talk about that.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Mary, welcome to the show.
Speaker 11 (31:16):
Yes, I have two things to say, and I better
be quick. It looks like on the polling there are
a lot of people that would not answer a survey
for the door or anything else that they don't want
to be hassled.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
It's a great point, Mary.
Speaker 11 (31:33):
Don't matter.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, I think the polling is all over the place.
It's really hard to tell what's going on. Pulling wise,
I think Real Clear Politics average has come all up
one point nine. But Trump is favored on all the issues,
which I think is.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
More meaningful in a way. But great comment. Mary, what
was your other comment?
Speaker 11 (31:53):
My other comment was I watched online an abortion doctor
explain exactly what happened and how it's done, and I
don't think most people have any idea. And I'll we
have to use the vacuum and suck the baby out
and shout all the arms and legs on the table
(32:16):
and make sure they have all the parts first semester
for first three of fields.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
It's better, it's bad.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Mary, Yeah, I think I think that's going around a
lot online, people talking about the realities of the procedure,
especially late term abortion, which in Colorado is legal up
up until birth. So thank you for your call, Mary,
I really appreciate it. And Jen, what's your take on
how we navigate the pro choice pro life conversation because
(32:50):
it's such an important one in the conservative movement.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
Oh boy, that's a sticky, wicked I'm asking you.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Some tough questions today.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I'm so excited to have you on it and I
want to tap into your expertise.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Well, I believe that, and I might be wrong, but
the polls that I have seen show that something around
seventy percent of Americans our choice with restrictions. I think
reasonable people. I think making abortion completely illegal is a loser. Honestly,
(33:29):
I apologize to my friends to our pro life I
think politically that is not a winning position, and I
think Trump has stated his position clearly, which is leave
it to the states, which I tend to agree with.
Somehow the Democrats are lying about what his position is,
and it's like sticking and so I think he needs
(33:50):
to just keep saying it over and over. He has
said explicitly he is not for a national abortion band. Now,
there may be someone the right that are opposed to
him saying that, but he has said it explicitly. He
has said explicitly this is a tangential but related issue,
that he is supportive of IVF. And yet somehow Harris
and Walls are out there saying he would ban IVS
(34:13):
and he would enact a national abortion ban, and those
are both unpopular positions nationally. A national abortion ban and
banning IVS and IVF is essentially, I think, as someone
who's gone through it, a very.
Speaker 11 (34:29):
Polite position.
Speaker 6 (34:30):
In a sense, I think there should be more regulation
around the industry. I think there's a lot of weirdness
that happens but I don't know. I was older and
I met my husband, and we wanted to have kids
and we couldn't. And I feel really blessed that I
was able to do that and I had these two amazing,
beautiful children.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Well me too, Jen. We've got to wrap up.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
We've got to wrap up, and I'm sorry for asking
you these tough questions, but you've done a fabulous job
and I'm so blessed to have you on the show.
Thanks for all you do. This is Heidi Ganal on
the Dan Kaplas Show. Thanks Jan will see you soon.
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