Dr. Catherine Wheeler joins Dan to discuss her perspective on Amendment 79, which would codify a woman's right to an abortion in the Colorado state constitution.
Whether it's Harry Enten on CNN or Steve Kornacki on NBC, mainstream media poll analysts are painting a grim picture for Kamala Harris and her campaign for President.
Whether it's Harry Enten on CNN or Steve Kornacki on NBC, mainstream media poll analysts are painting a grim picture for Kamala Harris and her campaign for President.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to
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is more true and just and more American than standing
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up for the week in defenseless and standing up for
innocent human life. I mean, this nation corrected slavery, right
and you look at slavery as this horrific abuse, treating
another life as property, and thank god, this nation corrected that.
And now, obviously we've been faced for many years with
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the treating of other innocent human life as property in
the form of abortion. Great progress have been made, but
here in Colorado now we're facing we're facing an effort
from the left to put infanticide into the state constitution.
They need fifty five percent to do it. There's a
real chance to beat it once people realize away in
the constitution that you can kill that healthy baby at
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nine months with a healthy mom, and that you got
to pay for it as a taxpayer, and it does
away with parental notifications. So we're continuing to ask you
to do everything you can defeat seventy nine. Now, one
person who happens to be a medical doctor who's been
very heroic on behalf of the unborn as doctor Catherine Wheeler,
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who is kind enough to join us now, doctor welcome
to the Dan Kapla show.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, thank you so much, and thank you for what
you're doing to bring this to the public. Sitch forefront
is because people, once they know what this is about,
are not for it.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah, and you've got a lot more influence than I
do because you're actually an obgyn, and so thank you
for what you do, and please just share with folks
your perspective on this as an obgyn.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Well, I'll also add to that, Dan that I also
in the past was a second trimester abortionist, not as
the primary part of my practice, but it was part
of my practice. So I've seen both sides of this,
and I'll tell you things quit making sense pretty early
on in my practice and I quit doing the abortions.
But for me, the biggest concern is calling abortion healthcare
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in normalizing it so that women are led to believe
that they have to have abortions available to be able
to participate in society and what a horrible idea that
is as opposed to help and hope, committing women to
thinking that they need abortion. Abortion is not routine health care.
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I always separated my thoughts about abortion. Even when I
did them, I did not consider them essential healthcare. I
knew better than that they're a choice. So that's one
of my biggest concerns. In Colorado. I was surprised when
I moved here five years ago that there's absolutely no regulation, inspection,
credentialing of the physicians to make sure they're qualified, reporting
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of complications, none of that is there for abortion, unlike
any other healthcare. So those are some of my biggest concerns.
And then learning that abortions are allowed until the due
date in Colorado. Yeah, we hear a lot of denial,
but it is true. It's sad and true.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Well it's it, doctor Catherine Wheeler, and I'll be herself
our guest. And it seems to me that few things
could be more flagrantly anti woman than Okay, we're going
to have this surgery, but in this one category, in
this one category of a surgery that will kill the
life within you. Hey, mom, there's not going to be
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the same type of regulations and inspections that we have
for other surgical procedures, because hey, this is abortion. I mean,
do I understand that, right?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Doctor?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It is absolutely true, and it's shocking. You know, the
first trimester ones are less risky, but second trimester ones
ten percent have significant complications, one point seven percent of
them are life threatening. And then once you get into
the even later ones, they're multi day procedures that essentially
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end up as induced pre term births, but not in
a birthing center. Birthing centers are inspected and regulated by
the state, and they should be because we all know
that all kinds of things can go wrong in birth,
even though most of them go well. But preterm births,
meaning before thirty seven weeks, have significant dangers that can occur,
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and you just want to be able to provide the
best quality of care should an emergency arise. But none
of this is considered. It really is not safe and legal.
It's legal, that's it.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And doctor, focusing on seventy nine in particular, what did
your experience as someone conducting abortions yourself, What did that
teach you that has led to this point in time
now where you're opposing Amendments seventy nine. How did the
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two intersect.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Well, they intersepted with my moving here. I will say
I stopped doing abortions on a day when for the
first time, it was like blinders fell off just before
I took the baby's life, and I was acutely aware
that I was about to kill a human being. And
it's hard to explain how you've got those blinders on,
but you do. You literally think you're helping women, and
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that's what you get told. It's almost like an indoctrination.
But I'll tell you that moment changed my life. I
never did another one, and it's been a long course
of coming out of that and getting clear thinking about abortion,
about what's really true. But moving here to Colorado was
a real turning point for me to be able speaking
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about my past and to help people to know what's
really true about abortion. I'll tell you the second trimester
ones I did, like, they really are risky. I can't
imagine doing them out of a facility where you don't
have emergency services available if things go wrong, because, as
I said, ten one out of ten something goes wrong.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, yeah. Doctor Catherine Willer, our guest and ob gyn
who's opposing Amendments seventy nine in Colorado. And another reason
why I think your voice is particularly powerful obviously the
obg I in background and your experience, you know, doing
abortions before, but also so often I think the proponents
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of abortion argue that men should not have a voice
this this, that that it's about the woman and the
woman's body. So to have a woman who also happens
to be an obese speak out on this, I think
can open minds in a way that others of us can't.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Well, I hope so, I mean, certainly I can tell
you what's true, what I've learned, what I used to believe,
and what I really came to see as not true
at all. As far as men having a voice, men,
you are so powerful, you are so needed.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Women need you.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
And I think that's one of the big things coming
out of feminism is we're so told that we don't
need men. But I've heard somebody say that we were
promised abortion and freedom and what we got was abandonment.
And that's really what we've seen as an outflow is
the feminization of poverty, the abandonment of women's single mother
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holds have increased. I mean, it's just really been a
disaster for women.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
And parting words for today, but I would love to
have you back on every day, I mean very often
between now an election day and then after that as well,
because obviously this battle to save the innocent never ends.
But certainly really have twenty one days to stop Amendments
seventy nine from becoming part of the Colorado Constitution. Final
thoughts for folks today, doctor.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, I think for me, as I've listened to the
other side, there's this real push that it doesn't say
in Amendment seventy nine that printal notification will be taken
away that and that's the push, and that late term
abortions will be in the constitution. But it's all hidden
in that little tiny words that says nothing may deny, impede,
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or discriminate against the right to abortion. That impeded word
is what the American College of obq YN uses And
when you look at their document their Abortion policy and
increasing Access to Abortion, their goal is access to abortion
at all costs, especially to women, so that nothing may
impede and what they list there is things that impeded
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are any gestational age limits and parental involvement. It's very
clear that's the direction this is going.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Hey and doctor wall, I have you what is your
best understanding, as in obqyn of the percentage of late
term abortions that are due to some very serious illness
of the mother or what they label quote fetal anomalies
versus simply abortion for the same reasons as it's obtained earlier.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Right, So, nearly all abortions, including late abortions, are for
financial and social reasons, which are usually horrific conditions.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
For the mother.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I don't want to minimize that, but the answer of
taking a baby's life is not a good answer for that.
So it's between one and two percent of all abortions.
And so the real push for completely unrestricted abortions with
no regulation to be able to for the other side
to get what they really seem to say that they want,
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which is for the life of the mother and for
fetal anomalies, which I could talk about. That's only one
to two percent of all abortions, so I mean, they
certainly could do carve outs the abortions I did. Unfortunately
babies with special needs and you know obviously that's absolutely horrific.
I'll be the first to say that. In my apologies
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to anybody who has the special needs baby. They're precious,
they deserve to live.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Well, you were a hero. Thank you for doing what
you do, and hopefully you'll join us again in the
next few days.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I would appreciate the honor. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Thank you. That's doctor Catherine. We're whiller and obq An
obviously herself, appreciate her time today. A fib five for
zero five A two five five the number. Kamala Harris
now finally, wow, wonder what took so long? Just days
before the election, releases her plan to help young black
men and what do you think it starts with? You
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won't believe it. You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast CNN.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
I mean, the bottom line is this, at this particular hour,
if you believe the polling, Donaldsum's going to put up
the best performance with black voters since Richard Nixon back
in nineteen hundred and sixty, not sixty eight, since nineteen
hundred and sixty, that's sixty four years ago. Among Hispanic voters,
Donald Trump's going to put up the best performance for
Republicans in two thousand and four and George W.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Bush, which is no surprise, right, And I think he'll
end up putting up a better performance than even the
great one that's expected. But it'll go far beyond this election.
It'll go far beyond this election because what I believe
we're seeing and it's one of the many long lasting
gifts of President Trump to this nation, whether he gets
his second term or not, and obviously I think that
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he's going to. But but that gift in part was
probably the biggest jolt, biggest jolt to the momentum of
many folks of color starting to rethink, you know that
just the long term, habitual loyalty to the Democratic Party,
and is this the tipping point. Well, if it is
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the tipping point, then we're going to see the inevitable
more quickly. But the inevitable is going to be a
major fracturing, right, because we're all people, we're all created
by the same God, we're all people, and we're all
fiercely devoted to our families. We want what's best for
our family, you know, we want what's best for our community.
Beyond that, we want what's best for ourselves. And so
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we're going to vote our self interest, and it had
to happen. It's gravity at some point in large enough
numbers to matter. And then all of the sudden, many
at once, you're going to have many folks, whether they
happen to be Catholic voters of whatever color, or you're
going to have folks of color, black voters, latinos, et cetera,
start to start to vote their self interest, regardless of party.
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And that's going to break this logjam the Democrats have.
And here's the key point. Here's the key point in
the tipping point continuum, and that is when okay, and
it's any group, right. It doesn't have to be a
group of color. It can be it can be Irish,
it can be Catholics, it can be whatever. But when
you get to the point where a certain number of
people in that group are now starting to act differently
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than most in the group have historically done and it
becomes more socially acceptable, etc. Then it's easier for a
whole lot of folks to make that change at the
same time. And I believe that's what we're seeing unfold
right now. I can't look in the eye and tell
you what the exact percentage is will be for Trump
on election day. And I don't think exit polling is
particularly reliable, so we may never know. But on this
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current track, we're going to know that he won. And
on this current track, there's a lot of other data suggesting.
I mean, come on, Barack Obama said it right when
he tried to submarine Heiris. I shouldn't say that he
did submarine Harris last week by coming out and lecturing
young black men, in particular, scolding them because all the
reason you're not supporting her is because she's a woman.
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I mean, how patently insulting, but no more insulting than
this one, right, and we'll talk about it more tomorrow,
Kamala Harris. Finally, in the closing out of the campaign,
it gets around to offering her opportunity agenda for black men.
And what do you think one of the key points
in her opportunity agenda for black men is and you'd
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have to think if she really cared about these men,
she would have not waited till like the final hours.
But anyway, hey, wait for it.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Here.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
It is legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for black
Americans to succeed in the marijuana industry. I see, this
is the thing. You've got the appeal of Trump, right,
You've got the appeal of Trump to folks. But then
beyond that, you have so many reasons why folks are
now seeing way a second. This Democratic Party. They just
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take my vote and then kick me in the crotch.
So have we ever known a political party in modern
times that is more overtly racist in policies in effect,
because when you look at so many of these Democrat policies,
in of fact, they're overtly racist. You know, Black children
are killed at a five to one rate over whites
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through abortion, yet Democrats worship at the altar of abortion.
If a child of color is lucky enough to survive
the Democrats glorification of abortion and actually be born, well,
well then the Democrats fight to the death to keep
disproportionately kids of color out of having true school choice.
And so what happens Then you have all these good
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talented kids who never have a fair opportunity in life
because they don't have a fair opportunity in education. And
then you get stuff like this. I mean, how how
racist is this? Oh yeah, we're going to create opportunities
for black men, We're going to legalize weed for you.
We're going to legalize weed for you. I mean, how
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could anything be more insulting? Eight five five Z five
A two five five the number. Let's go back up
to beautiful Cheyenne, Wyo. I mean, talk to Carol. You're
on the Dan Kapla show. Welcome, Hi, how are you? Dan?
Speaker 7 (16:08):
Of course, okay, I just wanted to point out a
bit of a contradiction in the Democratic policy with abortion.
And first off, they're obviously pushing for it and pro
pro choice, you know, anti life, whatever you want to
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call it, they're pushing for the Yeah. So but then
I saw, I think this is Sunday that Bill Clinton
was in front of a group that he said that
we were falling behind in our population, so we have
to import immigrant babies. How many of those babies would
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we not need to be imported if we didn't have
as many abortions?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Well, we know the math, right, We know that that
at least five hundred thousand females are killed each year
through abortion, and so we start with that math, and
we know about five hundred thousand little boys are killed
each year through abortion as well. And the math yeah, right,
and then you can get into some of the fine
points of how you calculate what the net effect on
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population is, but you start with that you're killing half
a million females a year.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
Yeah. One of the things that a party that we
have been kind of arguing about, I guess you know this.
This person said that, well, you know, if all of
these aborted babies were adopted, which they are not being adopted,
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but I think many of them.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Would have been.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
But you know, it's like, why are we having the
substitute non citizen babies, you know, instead of promoting promoting
life of American.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And Carol the music means I have to go, but
thank you for your call.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
The Bill Clinton comments, first of all, I think they
were calculated to undermine Kamala Harris, just as Barack Obama's
comments were. They know that if she's elected, she's going
to tank the Democrats in twenty six and twenty eight.
The last thing they want is for her to win,
and they're doing a good job of that. You're on
the Dan Caplis.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Show, you're listening to the Dan Kaplish Show podcast.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
And then there's the weight of the fact she's the
VP in an unpopular administration.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
We asked about President Biden's.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
Policies, are they helping or hurting your family? Just a
quarter of voters said they're helping.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Nearly have said they're hurting. And then here's the interesting twist.
Speaker 8 (18:45):
We also asked folks think back to when Donald Trump
was president, did his policies help or hurt your family?
And look at the difference forty four percent helping, thirty
one hurting. Trump's the retrospective, you would say, opinion of
Trump's president among voters arguably higher now than when he
was president.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, and liosten, the vast majority of us are going
to vote our family, self interest, right, And that tells
you everything right there in the poll, because I bet
you a whole bunch of people in that polls that
I'm voting for Kamala Harris will end up voting for
Donald Trump because in the end, they talk about what
makes them angry, but they're going to vote on what
affects them. Let's go to the VIP line. Everybody jamming
the lines. I will get to you shortly. Please do
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hold on, but really want you to hear from Jeff her.
Jeff's a really good, talented guy. And he's running for
the seat that Lauren Bobert currently holds. He's running in
CD three against Adam Frish, who I think at this
point is probably raised about a billion dollars. Jeff, welcome
back to the Dan Kapli Show.
Speaker 9 (19:44):
Hey, Dan, you're not far off there with you.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, but remember I mean new coke. They spent one
half a billion in that campaign, and you never saw
anybody drinking new coke.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
But so exactly right when I say dollars, don't vote,
people vote Dan, and my opponent got the money, but
we've got the people, and that's how we're.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Going to win.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Aimen to that. Let me give you the give everybody
the website. It's Jeff heard h U r D for
Colorado dot Com. Hey, what's the latest down there? What's
animating this race? What are the polls showing?
Speaker 9 (20:16):
Listen, we're in a position to win this if we've
got the resources to get our message out, and we do.
We're actually going to report a big fundraising quarter here
in just a little bit this afternoon. But people are
anxious for a new direction here, Dan, and they know
that it's not going to come from a liberal Democrat
from Aspen. They want the guy that is from this district.
That's me, And who's for this district, who's going to
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help secure the border, who's going to grow our energy economy,
bring and inflation, and who's also going to protect our
water in our egg And that's me, Jeff heard.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah. And obviously Frusha spend all this money trying to
tell people he's more conservative than Reagan, and hopefully people
see through all that. But Jeff, if you would take
a second and tell folks a little bit about you,
you have a great story.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Sure I'll call it.
Speaker 9 (20:59):
A native grew up on the Western Slope and Grand Junction,
proud graduate of Grand Junction and High School, married father
of five kids, and I have a rural electric cooperative practice.
I've been helping rural Colorado grow and thrive for many years,
and I'm working hard to make sure that we create
opportunities for families and small businesses up and down the
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Western Slope in southern Colorado. And that's why I'm running.
And I'm the guy that's going to deliver for rural Colorado.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And I think everybody listening understands that, just as Gabe
up in CDA, that race could decide control of the House,
yours could as well, and the stakes there are obvious
to all. So how can people beyond just writing a check?
If folks can afford to or putting the credit card
on your website, how can they help the campaign?
Speaker 9 (21:47):
Well, if you're living here in the third Congressional District,
make sure that your friends and neighbors know to vote
for Jeff Herd and that don't be fooled by the
liberal assid and Democrat pertainy like he's conservative.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
We need to vote for Jeff Herd.
Speaker 9 (21:58):
If you're interested in helping out right, contact us through
our website that you gave Jeff Heard for callater dot com.
We would love to have you making phone calls, reaching out,
phone banking. You do not have to live in the
third Confessional Dissort to do that. So, if you live
in Denver and you want to make sure that we
help grow a Republican majority in Congress, and you want
to support Jeff Heard, reach out on our website. We
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would love to have you as part of the team.
Would love to have you making phone calls and getting
voters to the poll so that we can win in
November three weeks from today.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Man, you know, I get excited thinking about you know,
what a great crew of Republicans we could have in
all these congressional seats if all of you win, and
obviously control of the House, but just very very effective.
Everybody brings some real talent to the table. So appreciate
the time today, Jeff, and let's talk a bunch before
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election day.
Speaker 9 (22:48):
That sounds great, Dan, Thanks so much for the time.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Have a great afternoon you too. Thank you. That is
Jeff Herd. Please do give them a close look. I mean,
we have some really talented people now running in these
highly contested seats. Let's go back to the phone lines.
We'll go to bout Michael in beautiful Denver. You're on
the Dan Kaplis. You'll welcome.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Hey, Dan, good evening.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Nice to talk to you too.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
We had a caller earlier wanting to know about the
judges and what could be done and how do you
find out information? So, like you, I'm a well not
like you. I'm a fifty two year trial lawyer. So
I've been in that courtroom just a little another decade
than you have. But so I know some of the
judges and I'm happy to comment on them because no
one knows my last name, So I'm not trying to
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put my client myself before my own client's interests. But
we have a unique opportunity this time. Monica Marquez, this
Chief Justice of the Colorado Supreme Court is on the ballot.
This justice voted to take Donald Trump off the ballot
in Colorado. So if you want to send a message,
which you won't have another opportunity to do for several
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more years, you should vote know on the retention of
Monica my cast. The other two justices that are on
the ballot are Justice Birkenhauk Halter Maria Birkenhalter, and Justice
Brian boat Right. Both of those justices voted in the
descent in the Trump case, So I would urge a
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yes vote on those two judges.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Brilliant yes.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
In fact, Carlos some Moore's descent was quoted extensively by
the US Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
As that predict it would be yeah, but no, really
well done, really well done.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
These are people that again, like I said, you're not
going to have a chance for this in a while,
but you can take Monica Marquez off the Supreme Court.
As far as the other judges are concerned, there really
isn't an effective way to get information about them. We
have this so called Judicial Performance Commission. They haven't recommended
against the judge to be not retained in years and years.
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It's basically a rubber stamp. I don't know if you.
I'm sure you were not practicing, and neither was when
we used to vote for judges.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah wait, but I didn't think that.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
I didn't think that was the greatest system either. But
this system also has to go. It's of no help
to people. So hires people to vote no on all judges.
The reason for that is that we need to send
a message that we need a little bit different system
and maybe if take some of these judges off the court,
we'll get one.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, Michael, let me take the other side of that.
Then tell me where you think I'm wrong. And that
is and I want to throw out the disclaimer that
I've mentioned many times over the decades i've been on air,
and that is my real job is I'm a full
time trial lawyer, been doing it forty years, hope to
do it another forty And so if I'm critical of
a judge, I never say so on air because my
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first obligation is to my clients, but I let my
listeners know that. So there's full disclosure there. And so
now getting back to your point, though, Michael, the idea
we should vote against all judges. And I know this
will sound kiss up. I don't care. I just tell
the truth, and this is the truth my experience doing
it forty years and I've had the privileges. I'm sure
you have to be in lots of courtrooms, in front
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of lots of judges, et cetera. Is I am extraordinarily
impressed with the quality of judges overall in Colorado. Has
everyone ruled in my favor? No, if I agreed with
every single ruling, of course not. But I am incredibly
impressed with the overall quality of judges in Colorado. So
the idea of just voting no on everybody when you've
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got all of these you know you got to and
you would agree with this, I'm sure, Michael. You've got
a ton of men and women out there working really
hard and it could be making a lot more money
in private practice, and they're doing this great public service
and they're doing a hell of a job at it.
And to tell everybody to vote against all those folks,
to me, that's backwards.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Okay, well let me comment sure. So what we're noticing
these days is that we have a lot of younger
judges with not a lot of not only legal experience,
but life experience. And the reason for that is it's difficult.
As you know, it is not easy to make a
living practicing law.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Here.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
You have a position that has you know, a number
of days off a year, full full para, benefits, all
medical insurance, and paid a pretty good salary. So to
go out and make that in private practice, believe me,
requires a heck of a lot of work. I'm not
saying we don't have good judges, of course, we do
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what we have right now, though on this bench uniformly,
and I'm talking about Denver. That's where my experience is
is young inexperienced people. In most cases, they don't belong
on the bench, and they're on the bench because of
sometimes their political philosophy. People can go through the blue
books and look and see what these various interests of
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these people are and the kind of organizations that they
belong to. So that would be my response, if you
bought some of the good with the bad, we will,
but we have to change this system somehow, and the
only way the average voter can do that is to
vote now.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
But wait a second. I called my experience has been
and it's not like a week's worth, it's forty years worth,
you know, state and federal. My experience has been the
polar opposite of yours. I could bring in a stack
of bibles. Ryan, do we have our stack of bibles? Handy,
bring him in here. I'll put my hand on it,
and I will swear to you, if that's permitted, that
I have never been in front of a judge, the
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youngest one, the oldest one. I've never been in front
of a judge who was anything other than super smart.
And I've never been in front of a judge who
couldn't have made more money outside being a judge. And
so I just couldn't disagree with you on that more.
And then what I want to ask you is, and
we've got to pop on this segment, but you're welcome
to stay. What system would you switch to? What system
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would you switch to that's going to produce better judges?
Because again, you've got fifty two years of it. I
got forty, and I I'm trying to remember a truly
bad judge that I've seen in forty years, and I can't.
So we'll come back and give Michael a say, because
he disagrees with me on this, but I'd like to
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know what system he would want to put in place.
He wants to blow this one up, what system would
he want to put in place. You're on the Dan
Kapla Show.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast, Mayor Kaufman.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
But what you know is we have areas in our city, unfortunately,
that have been overtaken and that we have to take
back three by street, block by block.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
That was on my show a few months ago. Hey,
and you've got the lefties out there now saying no, no,
Trump's exaggerating problems at Aurora. My goodness. Hey, everybody on
the text and calls, appreciate your patience and have a
call from a gentleman name Michael. He's been practicing law
for fifty two years and he was just telling us that, hey,
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he thinks this whole system of selecting judges in Colorado
needs to be redone. I could not disagree with him more.
I'm summarizing what we've just been through. I think we
have a tremendously strong bench in Colorado, and I've been
doing it forty years, twelve less than him, but I
could not be more impressed with the overall quality of
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the bench. So that's where we left at. Michael, I
wanted to give you a chance for a last word.
I didn't want to rudely cut you off.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Thank you, Dan, and listen, we have a lot more
important things to talk about in this election than judges.
But let me just say this to you. Fortunately, in
your practice, while there's certainly pre trial work that needs
to be done and where judges need to be involved,
decisions in most of your cases I assume are made
by jury.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Oh yeah, but there that there are so many other issues, Michael,
that is so much motions practice.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Well, sure there isn't in any practice. But again, in
your practice, ultimately the decisions made by the jury. That's
not the case in a lot of practices. You do
domestic work for a while and you'll see that judges
make the decisions in those cases, and they're not always good,
and they're not always what is in the best interest
of the people. So again, take a look at your
blue book, not you, but your audience. Take a look
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at your blue book and see if you've learned anything
about the people you are voting for. As I said,
and I'll say again, Monica Marquez needs to go. Thanks
for the time.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Dan really appreciate it, Michael appreciate the call. And again,
what I've said before, and I've said over the decades
on air, is my real job is I'm a trial lawyer,
and so I never say anything critical about a judge
on air. My obligation is to my clients. If I
say something positive about a judge, it's because I truly
believe it. But what I will say to you is this,
And if you're sitting right in front of me, I'd
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look you in the eye and you could see I
believe it to my core. I spent my whole adult
life in courtrooms in Colorado, like all over the place
here and some other states, and I'm just telling you
that the quality of judges across Colorado, from the smallest
towns to the biggest, is incredibly high. Doesn't mean I've
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agreed with every single ruling. It's a human process, right,
But I'm here to tell you I honestly I can't
think of another profession where the quality has been uniformly
as high as it is with judges. And I think
part of the reason for that is you know that
you've got the selection process. You got three finalists. They
are appointed by governors, and so there is that process
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in place. And all I'm saying is, I think the
last thing in the world people would want to do
is blow that up because it again in favor of
what Because I just see and you know, I was
mentioning to somebody the other day. I recently had a case.
I won't mention it, of course the particular county, but
a very very very small county in Colorado, and Michael
had been mentioning young judges and I had a judge
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literally I've got a pair of shoes at home than
the judge we had in that case. And she was brilliant.
I mean she was one of the greatest judges I've
ever seen anywhere, and tough and smart and equally tough
on both sides, absolutely brilliant, and so yeah, I just
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could not disagree with someone more than I disagree with
Michael on this. And you got to make your own
decisions on individual judges. I'm just telling you, overall, as
a system, we're really lucky we have what we have
in Colorado. All Right, I'm sorry I chewed up everybody's time,
but that's an important issue and we get a bunch
of texts and calls. Here's what I want to say
to the folks kind enough to be on the line now.
(33:40):
If you want to call back at the start of
the show tomorrow, I'll make sure you get on first.
Kelly can take your names. Kelly, would you talk to
these nice people and make sure they have a chance
to come on first tomorrow if they want to do that. Texters,
we got a ton of great texts coming in, all
of which are going to be equally relevant tomorrow because
this election is not going away. It'll just be one
day closer tomorrow and we'll get to that as well. Ryan,
(34:04):
I can't see through the glare. Who is your protege today?
Who's helping us out? I want to make sure I
think this person who's done a very good job. We
have not had any glitches. Where did Ryan go?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
See?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
If you're in our studio, we have this big glare
on the window, so I literally cannot see who is
behind there. So whoever you are, thank you. You are spectacular.
You should get a raise. You want to introduce yourself,
my friend, You want to come on, say hello, what's
your name? Whoever you are, you did a tremendous job. Hey,
(34:40):
how's it going. I hope you'll come back tomorrow. Kelly,
thank you as well, and please do join us tomorrow
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(00:20):
up for the week in defenseless and standing up for
innocent human life. I mean, this nation corrected slavery, right
and you look at slavery as this horrific abuse, treating
another life as property, and thank god, this nation corrected that.
And now, obviously we've been faced for many years with
(00:40):
the treating of other innocent human life as property in
the form of abortion. Great progress have been made, but
here in Colorado now we're facing we're facing an effort
from the left to put infanticide into the state constitution.
They need fifty five percent to do it. There's a
real chance to beat it once people realize away in
the constitution that you can kill that healthy baby at
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nine months with a healthy mom, and that you got
to pay for it as a taxpayer, and it does
away with parental notifications. So we're continuing to ask you
to do everything you can defeat seventy nine. Now, one
person who happens to be a medical doctor who's been
very heroic on behalf of the unborn as doctor Catherine Wheeler,
(01:22):
who is kind enough to join us now, doctor welcome
to the Dan Kapla show.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, thank you so much, and thank you for what
you're doing to bring this to the public. Sitch forefront
is because people, once they know what this is about,
are not for it.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah, and you've got a lot more influence than I
do because you're actually an obgyn, and so thank you
for what you do, and please just share with folks
your perspective on this as an obgyn.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Well, I'll also add to that, Dan that I also
in the past was a second trimester abortionist, not as
the primary part of my practice, but it was part
of my practice. So I've seen both sides of this,
and I'll tell you things quit making sense pretty early
on in my practice and I quit doing the abortions.
But for me, the biggest concern is calling abortion healthcare
(02:11):
in normalizing it so that women are led to believe
that they have to have abortions available to be able
to participate in society and what a horrible idea that
is as opposed to help and hope, committing women to
thinking that they need abortion. Abortion is not routine health care.
(02:33):
I always separated my thoughts about abortion. Even when I
did them, I did not consider them essential healthcare. I
knew better than that they're a choice. So that's one
of my biggest concerns. In Colorado. I was surprised when
I moved here five years ago that there's absolutely no regulation, inspection,
credentialing of the physicians to make sure they're qualified, reporting
(02:57):
of complications, none of that is there for abortion, unlike
any other healthcare. So those are some of my biggest concerns.
And then learning that abortions are allowed until the due
date in Colorado. Yeah, we hear a lot of denial,
but it is true. It's sad and true.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Well it's it, doctor Catherine Wheeler, and I'll be herself
our guest. And it seems to me that few things
could be more flagrantly anti woman than Okay, we're going
to have this surgery, but in this one category, in
this one category of a surgery that will kill the
life within you. Hey, mom, there's not going to be
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the same type of regulations and inspections that we have
for other surgical procedures, because hey, this is abortion. I mean,
do I understand that, right?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Doctor?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It is absolutely true, and it's shocking. You know, the
first trimester ones are less risky, but second trimester ones
ten percent have significant complications, one point seven percent of
them are life threatening. And then once you get into
the even later ones, they're multi day procedures that essentially
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end up as induced pre term births, but not in
a birthing center. Birthing centers are inspected and regulated by
the state, and they should be because we all know
that all kinds of things can go wrong in birth,
even though most of them go well. But preterm births,
meaning before thirty seven weeks, have significant dangers that can occur,
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and you just want to be able to provide the
best quality of care should an emergency arise. But none
of this is considered. It really is not safe and legal.
It's legal, that's it.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And doctor, focusing on seventy nine in particular, what did
your experience as someone conducting abortions yourself, What did that
teach you that has led to this point in time
now where you're opposing Amendments seventy nine. How did the
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two intersect.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Well, they intersepted with my moving here. I will say
I stopped doing abortions on a day when for the
first time, it was like blinders fell off just before
I took the baby's life, and I was acutely aware
that I was about to kill a human being. And
it's hard to explain how you've got those blinders on,
but you do. You literally think you're helping women, and
(05:34):
that's what you get told. It's almost like an indoctrination.
But I'll tell you that moment changed my life. I
never did another one, and it's been a long course
of coming out of that and getting clear thinking about abortion,
about what's really true. But moving here to Colorado was
a real turning point for me to be able speaking
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about my past and to help people to know what's
really true about abortion. I'll tell you the second trimester
ones I did, like, they really are risky. I can't
imagine doing them out of a facility where you don't
have emergency services available if things go wrong, because, as
I said, ten one out of ten something goes wrong.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, yeah. Doctor Catherine Willer, our guest and ob gyn
who's opposing Amendments seventy nine in Colorado. And another reason
why I think your voice is particularly powerful obviously the
obg I in background and your experience, you know, doing
abortions before, but also so often I think the proponents
(06:37):
of abortion argue that men should not have a voice
this this, that that it's about the woman and the
woman's body. So to have a woman who also happens
to be an obese speak out on this, I think
can open minds in a way that others of us can't.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Well, I hope so, I mean, certainly I can tell
you what's true, what I've learned, what I used to believe,
and what I really came to see as not true
at all. As far as men having a voice, men,
you are so powerful, you are so needed.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Women need you.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
And I think that's one of the big things coming
out of feminism is we're so told that we don't
need men. But I've heard somebody say that we were
promised abortion and freedom and what we got was abandonment.
And that's really what we've seen as an outflow is
the feminization of poverty, the abandonment of women's single mother
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holds have increased. I mean, it's just really been a
disaster for women.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
And parting words for today, but I would love to
have you back on every day, I mean very often
between now an election day and then after that as well,
because obviously this battle to save the innocent never ends.
But certainly really have twenty one days to stop Amendments
seventy nine from becoming part of the Colorado Constitution. Final
thoughts for folks today, doctor.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, I think for me, as I've listened to the
other side, there's this real push that it doesn't say
in Amendment seventy nine that printal notification will be taken
away that and that's the push, and that late term
abortions will be in the constitution. But it's all hidden
in that little tiny words that says nothing may deny, impede,
(08:24):
or discriminate against the right to abortion. That impeded word
is what the American College of obq YN uses And
when you look at their document their Abortion policy and
increasing Access to Abortion, their goal is access to abortion
at all costs, especially to women, so that nothing may
impede and what they list there is things that impeded
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are any gestational age limits and parental involvement. It's very
clear that's the direction this is going.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Hey and doctor wall, I have you what is your
best understanding, as in obqyn of the percentage of late
term abortions that are due to some very serious illness
of the mother or what they label quote fetal anomalies
versus simply abortion for the same reasons as it's obtained earlier.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Right, So, nearly all abortions, including late abortions, are for
financial and social reasons, which are usually horrific conditions.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
For the mother.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I don't want to minimize that, but the answer of
taking a baby's life is not a good answer for that.
So it's between one and two percent of all abortions.
And so the real push for completely unrestricted abortions with
no regulation to be able to for the other side
to get what they really seem to say that they want,
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which is for the life of the mother and for
fetal anomalies, which I could talk about. That's only one
to two percent of all abortions, so I mean, they
certainly could do carve outs the abortions I did. Unfortunately
babies with special needs and you know obviously that's absolutely horrific.
I'll be the first to say that. In my apologies
(10:09):
to anybody who has the special needs baby. They're precious,
they deserve to live.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Well, you were a hero. Thank you for doing what
you do, and hopefully you'll join us again in the
next few days.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I would appreciate the honor. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Thank you. That's doctor Catherine. We're whiller and obq An
obviously herself, appreciate her time today. A fib five for
zero five A two five five the number. Kamala Harris
now finally, wow, wonder what took so long? Just days
before the election, releases her plan to help young black
men and what do you think it starts with? You
(10:45):
won't believe it. You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast CNN.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
I mean, the bottom line is this, at this particular hour,
if you believe the polling, Donaldsum's going to put up
the best performance with black voters since Richard Nixon back
in nineteen hundred and sixty, not sixty eight, since nineteen
hundred and sixty, that's sixty four years ago. Among Hispanic voters,
Donald Trump's going to put up the best performance for
Republicans in two thousand and four and George W.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Bush, which is no surprise, right, And I think he'll
end up putting up a better performance than even the
great one that's expected. But it'll go far beyond this election.
It'll go far beyond this election because what I believe
we're seeing and it's one of the many long lasting
gifts of President Trump to this nation, whether he gets
his second term or not, and obviously I think that
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he's going to. But but that gift in part was
probably the biggest jolt, biggest jolt to the momentum of
many folks of color starting to rethink, you know that
just the long term, habitual loyalty to the Democratic Party,
and is this the tipping point. Well, if it is
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the tipping point, then we're going to see the inevitable
more quickly. But the inevitable is going to be a
major fracturing, right, because we're all people, we're all created
by the same God, we're all people, and we're all
fiercely devoted to our families. We want what's best for
our family, you know, we want what's best for our community.
Beyond that, we want what's best for ourselves. And so
(12:19):
we're going to vote our self interest, and it had
to happen. It's gravity at some point in large enough
numbers to matter. And then all of the sudden, many
at once, you're going to have many folks, whether they
happen to be Catholic voters of whatever color, or you're
going to have folks of color, black voters, latinos, et cetera,
start to start to vote their self interest, regardless of party.
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And that's going to break this logjam the Democrats have.
And here's the key point. Here's the key point in
the tipping point continuum, and that is when okay, and
it's any group, right. It doesn't have to be a
group of color. It can be it can be Irish,
it can be Catholics, it can be whatever. But when
you get to the point where a certain number of
people in that group are now starting to act differently
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than most in the group have historically done and it
becomes more socially acceptable, etc. Then it's easier for a
whole lot of folks to make that change at the
same time. And I believe that's what we're seeing unfold
right now. I can't look in the eye and tell
you what the exact percentage is will be for Trump
on election day. And I don't think exit polling is
particularly reliable, so we may never know. But on this
(13:28):
current track, we're going to know that he won. And
on this current track, there's a lot of other data suggesting.
I mean, come on, Barack Obama said it right when
he tried to submarine Heiris. I shouldn't say that he
did submarine Harris last week by coming out and lecturing
young black men, in particular, scolding them because all the
reason you're not supporting her is because she's a woman.
(13:50):
I mean, how patently insulting, but no more insulting than
this one, right, and we'll talk about it more tomorrow,
Kamala Harris. Finally, in the closing out of the campaign,
it gets around to offering her opportunity agenda for black men.
And what do you think one of the key points
in her opportunity agenda for black men is and you'd
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have to think if she really cared about these men,
she would have not waited till like the final hours.
But anyway, hey, wait for it.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Here.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
It is legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for black
Americans to succeed in the marijuana industry. I see, this
is the thing. You've got the appeal of Trump, right,
You've got the appeal of Trump to folks. But then
beyond that, you have so many reasons why folks are
now seeing way a second. This Democratic Party. They just
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take my vote and then kick me in the crotch.
So have we ever known a political party in modern
times that is more overtly racist in policies in effect,
because when you look at so many of these Democrat policies,
in of fact, they're overtly racist. You know, Black children
are killed at a five to one rate over whites
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through abortion, yet Democrats worship at the altar of abortion.
If a child of color is lucky enough to survive
the Democrats glorification of abortion and actually be born, well,
well then the Democrats fight to the death to keep
disproportionately kids of color out of having true school choice.
And so what happens Then you have all these good
(15:28):
talented kids who never have a fair opportunity in life
because they don't have a fair opportunity in education. And
then you get stuff like this. I mean, how how
racist is this? Oh yeah, we're going to create opportunities
for black men, We're going to legalize weed for you.
We're going to legalize weed for you. I mean, how
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could anything be more insulting? Eight five five Z five
A two five five the number. Let's go back up
to beautiful Cheyenne, Wyo. I mean, talk to Carol. You're
on the Dan Kapla show. Welcome, Hi, how are you? Dan?
Speaker 7 (16:08):
Of course, okay, I just wanted to point out a
bit of a contradiction in the Democratic policy with abortion.
And first off, they're obviously pushing for it and pro
pro choice, you know, anti life, whatever you want to
(16:31):
call it, they're pushing for the Yeah. So but then
I saw, I think this is Sunday that Bill Clinton
was in front of a group that he said that
we were falling behind in our population, so we have
to import immigrant babies. How many of those babies would
(16:56):
we not need to be imported if we didn't have
as many abortions?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Well, we know the math, right, We know that that
at least five hundred thousand females are killed each year
through abortion, and so we start with that math, and
we know about five hundred thousand little boys are killed
each year through abortion as well. And the math yeah, right,
and then you can get into some of the fine
points of how you calculate what the net effect on
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population is, but you start with that you're killing half
a million females a year.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
Yeah. One of the things that a party that we
have been kind of arguing about, I guess you know this.
This person said that, well, you know, if all of
these aborted babies were adopted, which they are not being adopted,
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but I think many of them.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Would have been.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
But you know, it's like, why are we having the
substitute non citizen babies, you know, instead of promoting promoting
life of American.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And Carol the music means I have to go, but
thank you for your call.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
The Bill Clinton comments, first of all, I think they
were calculated to undermine Kamala Harris, just as Barack Obama's
comments were. They know that if she's elected, she's going
to tank the Democrats in twenty six and twenty eight.
The last thing they want is for her to win,
and they're doing a good job of that. You're on
the Dan Caplis.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Show, you're listening to the Dan Kaplish Show podcast.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
And then there's the weight of the fact she's the
VP in an unpopular administration.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
We asked about President Biden's.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
Policies, are they helping or hurting your family? Just a
quarter of voters said they're helping.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Nearly have said they're hurting. And then here's the interesting twist.
Speaker 8 (18:45):
We also asked folks think back to when Donald Trump
was president, did his policies help or hurt your family?
And look at the difference forty four percent helping, thirty
one hurting. Trump's the retrospective, you would say, opinion of
Trump's president among voters arguably higher now than when he
was president.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, and liosten, the vast majority of us are going
to vote our family, self interest, right, And that tells
you everything right there in the poll, because I bet
you a whole bunch of people in that polls that
I'm voting for Kamala Harris will end up voting for
Donald Trump because in the end, they talk about what
makes them angry, but they're going to vote on what
affects them. Let's go to the VIP line. Everybody jamming
the lines. I will get to you shortly. Please do
(19:25):
hold on, but really want you to hear from Jeff her.
Jeff's a really good, talented guy. And he's running for
the seat that Lauren Bobert currently holds. He's running in
CD three against Adam Frish, who I think at this
point is probably raised about a billion dollars. Jeff, welcome
back to the Dan Kapli Show.
Speaker 9 (19:44):
Hey, Dan, you're not far off there with you.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, but remember I mean new coke. They spent one
half a billion in that campaign, and you never saw
anybody drinking new coke.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
But so exactly right when I say dollars, don't vote,
people vote Dan, and my opponent got the money, but
we've got the people, and that's how we're.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Going to win.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Aimen to that. Let me give you the give everybody
the website. It's Jeff heard h U r D for
Colorado dot Com. Hey, what's the latest down there? What's
animating this race? What are the polls showing?
Speaker 9 (20:16):
Listen, we're in a position to win this if we've
got the resources to get our message out, and we do.
We're actually going to report a big fundraising quarter here
in just a little bit this afternoon. But people are
anxious for a new direction here, Dan, and they know
that it's not going to come from a liberal Democrat
from Aspen. They want the guy that is from this district.
That's me, And who's for this district, who's going to
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help secure the border, who's going to grow our energy economy,
bring and inflation, and who's also going to protect our
water in our egg And that's me, Jeff heard.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah. And obviously Frusha spend all this money trying to
tell people he's more conservative than Reagan, and hopefully people
see through all that. But Jeff, if you would take
a second and tell folks a little bit about you,
you have a great story.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Sure I'll call it.
Speaker 9 (20:59):
A native grew up on the Western Slope and Grand Junction,
proud graduate of Grand Junction and High School, married father
of five kids, and I have a rural electric cooperative practice.
I've been helping rural Colorado grow and thrive for many years,
and I'm working hard to make sure that we create
opportunities for families and small businesses up and down the
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Western Slope in southern Colorado. And that's why I'm running.
And I'm the guy that's going to deliver for rural Colorado.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And I think everybody listening understands that, just as Gabe
up in CDA, that race could decide control of the House,
yours could as well, and the stakes there are obvious
to all. So how can people beyond just writing a check?
If folks can afford to or putting the credit card
on your website, how can they help the campaign?
Speaker 9 (21:47):
Well, if you're living here in the third Congressional District,
make sure that your friends and neighbors know to vote
for Jeff Herd and that don't be fooled by the
liberal assid and Democrat pertainy like he's conservative.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
We need to vote for Jeff Herd.
Speaker 9 (21:58):
If you're interested in helping out right, contact us through
our website that you gave Jeff Heard for callater dot com.
We would love to have you making phone calls, reaching out,
phone banking. You do not have to live in the
third Confessional Dissort to do that. So, if you live
in Denver and you want to make sure that we
help grow a Republican majority in Congress, and you want
to support Jeff Heard, reach out on our website. We
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would love to have you as part of the team.
Would love to have you making phone calls and getting
voters to the poll so that we can win in
November three weeks from today.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Man, you know, I get excited thinking about you know,
what a great crew of Republicans we could have in
all these congressional seats if all of you win, and
obviously control of the House, but just very very effective.
Everybody brings some real talent to the table. So appreciate
the time today, Jeff, and let's talk a bunch before
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election day.
Speaker 9 (22:48):
That sounds great, Dan, Thanks so much for the time.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Have a great afternoon you too. Thank you. That is
Jeff Herd. Please do give them a close look. I mean,
we have some really talented people now running in these
highly contested seats. Let's go back to the phone lines.
We'll go to bout Michael in beautiful Denver. You're on
the Dan Kaplis. You'll welcome.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Hey, Dan, good evening.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Nice to talk to you too.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
We had a caller earlier wanting to know about the
judges and what could be done and how do you
find out information? So, like you, I'm a well not
like you. I'm a fifty two year trial lawyer. So
I've been in that courtroom just a little another decade
than you have. But so I know some of the
judges and I'm happy to comment on them because no
one knows my last name, So I'm not trying to
(23:34):
put my client myself before my own client's interests. But
we have a unique opportunity this time. Monica Marquez, this
Chief Justice of the Colorado Supreme Court is on the ballot.
This justice voted to take Donald Trump off the ballot
in Colorado. So if you want to send a message,
which you won't have another opportunity to do for several
(23:56):
more years, you should vote know on the retention of
Monica my cast. The other two justices that are on
the ballot are Justice Birkenhauk Halter Maria Birkenhalter, and Justice
Brian boat Right. Both of those justices voted in the
descent in the Trump case, So I would urge a
(24:16):
yes vote on those two judges.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Brilliant yes.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
In fact, Carlos some Moore's descent was quoted extensively by
the US Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
As that predict it would be yeah, but no, really
well done, really well done.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
These are people that again, like I said, you're not
going to have a chance for this in a while,
but you can take Monica Marquez off the Supreme Court.
As far as the other judges are concerned, there really
isn't an effective way to get information about them. We
have this so called Judicial Performance Commission. They haven't recommended
against the judge to be not retained in years and years.
(24:54):
It's basically a rubber stamp. I don't know if you.
I'm sure you were not practicing, and neither was when
we used to vote for judges.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah wait, but I didn't think that.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
I didn't think that was the greatest system either. But
this system also has to go. It's of no help
to people. So hires people to vote no on all judges.
The reason for that is that we need to send
a message that we need a little bit different system
and maybe if take some of these judges off the court,
we'll get one.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, Michael, let me take the other side of that.
Then tell me where you think I'm wrong. And that
is and I want to throw out the disclaimer that
I've mentioned many times over the decades i've been on air,
and that is my real job is I'm a full
time trial lawyer, been doing it forty years, hope to
do it another forty And so if I'm critical of
a judge, I never say so on air because my
(25:45):
first obligation is to my clients, but I let my
listeners know that. So there's full disclosure there. And so
now getting back to your point, though, Michael, the idea
we should vote against all judges. And I know this
will sound kiss up. I don't care. I just tell
the truth, and this is the truth my experience doing
it forty years and I've had the privileges. I'm sure
you have to be in lots of courtrooms, in front
(26:07):
of lots of judges, et cetera. Is I am extraordinarily
impressed with the quality of judges overall in Colorado. Has
everyone ruled in my favor? No, if I agreed with
every single ruling, of course not. But I am incredibly
impressed with the overall quality of judges in Colorado. So
the idea of just voting no on everybody when you've
(26:28):
got all of these you know you got to and
you would agree with this, I'm sure, Michael. You've got
a ton of men and women out there working really
hard and it could be making a lot more money
in private practice, and they're doing this great public service
and they're doing a hell of a job at it.
And to tell everybody to vote against all those folks,
to me, that's backwards.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Okay, well let me comment sure. So what we're noticing
these days is that we have a lot of younger
judges with not a lot of not only legal experience,
but life experience. And the reason for that is it's difficult.
As you know, it is not easy to make a
living practicing law.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Here.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
You have a position that has you know, a number
of days off a year, full full para, benefits, all
medical insurance, and paid a pretty good salary. So to
go out and make that in private practice, believe me,
requires a heck of a lot of work. I'm not
saying we don't have good judges, of course, we do
(27:30):
what we have right now, though on this bench uniformly,
and I'm talking about Denver. That's where my experience is
is young inexperienced people. In most cases, they don't belong
on the bench, and they're on the bench because of
sometimes their political philosophy. People can go through the blue
books and look and see what these various interests of
(27:52):
these people are and the kind of organizations that they
belong to. So that would be my response, if you
bought some of the good with the bad, we will,
but we have to change this system somehow, and the
only way the average voter can do that is to
vote now.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
But wait a second. I called my experience has been
and it's not like a week's worth, it's forty years worth,
you know, state and federal. My experience has been the
polar opposite of yours. I could bring in a stack
of bibles. Ryan, do we have our stack of bibles? Handy,
bring him in here. I'll put my hand on it,
and I will swear to you, if that's permitted, that
I have never been in front of a judge, the
(28:30):
youngest one, the oldest one. I've never been in front
of a judge who was anything other than super smart.
And I've never been in front of a judge who
couldn't have made more money outside being a judge. And
so I just couldn't disagree with you on that more.
And then what I want to ask you is, and
we've got to pop on this segment, but you're welcome
to stay. What system would you switch to? What system
(28:53):
would you switch to that's going to produce better judges?
Because again, you've got fifty two years of it. I
got forty, and I I'm trying to remember a truly
bad judge that I've seen in forty years, and I can't.
So we'll come back and give Michael a say, because
he disagrees with me on this, but I'd like to
(29:15):
know what system he would want to put in place.
He wants to blow this one up, what system would
he want to put in place. You're on the Dan
Kapla Show.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast, Mayor Kaufman.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
But what you know is we have areas in our city, unfortunately,
that have been overtaken and that we have to take
back three by street, block by block.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
That was on my show a few months ago. Hey,
and you've got the lefties out there now saying no, no,
Trump's exaggerating problems at Aurora. My goodness. Hey, everybody on
the text and calls, appreciate your patience and have a
call from a gentleman name Michael. He's been practicing law
for fifty two years and he was just telling us that, hey,
(30:05):
he thinks this whole system of selecting judges in Colorado
needs to be redone. I could not disagree with him more.
I'm summarizing what we've just been through. I think we
have a tremendously strong bench in Colorado, and I've been
doing it forty years, twelve less than him, but I
could not be more impressed with the overall quality of
(30:26):
the bench. So that's where we left at. Michael, I
wanted to give you a chance for a last word.
I didn't want to rudely cut you off.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Thank you, Dan, and listen, we have a lot more
important things to talk about in this election than judges.
But let me just say this to you. Fortunately, in
your practice, while there's certainly pre trial work that needs
to be done and where judges need to be involved,
decisions in most of your cases I assume are made
by jury.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Oh yeah, but there that there are so many other issues, Michael,
that is so much motions practice.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Well, sure there isn't in any practice. But again, in
your practice, ultimately the decisions made by the jury. That's
not the case in a lot of practices. You do
domestic work for a while and you'll see that judges
make the decisions in those cases, and they're not always good,
and they're not always what is in the best interest
of the people. So again, take a look at your
blue book, not you, but your audience. Take a look
(31:21):
at your blue book and see if you've learned anything
about the people you are voting for. As I said,
and I'll say again, Monica Marquez needs to go. Thanks
for the time.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Dan really appreciate it, Michael appreciate the call. And again,
what I've said before, and I've said over the decades
on air, is my real job is I'm a trial lawyer,
and so I never say anything critical about a judge
on air. My obligation is to my clients. If I
say something positive about a judge, it's because I truly
believe it. But what I will say to you is this,
And if you're sitting right in front of me, I'd
(31:51):
look you in the eye and you could see I
believe it to my core. I spent my whole adult
life in courtrooms in Colorado, like all over the place
here and some other states, and I'm just telling you
that the quality of judges across Colorado, from the smallest
towns to the biggest, is incredibly high. Doesn't mean I've
(32:12):
agreed with every single ruling. It's a human process, right,
But I'm here to tell you I honestly I can't
think of another profession where the quality has been uniformly
as high as it is with judges. And I think
part of the reason for that is you know that
you've got the selection process. You got three finalists. They
are appointed by governors, and so there is that process
(32:34):
in place. And all I'm saying is, I think the
last thing in the world people would want to do
is blow that up because it again in favor of
what Because I just see and you know, I was
mentioning to somebody the other day. I recently had a case.
I won't mention it, of course the particular county, but
a very very very small county in Colorado, and Michael
had been mentioning young judges and I had a judge
(32:57):
literally I've got a pair of shoes at home than
the judge we had in that case. And she was brilliant.
I mean she was one of the greatest judges I've
ever seen anywhere, and tough and smart and equally tough
on both sides, absolutely brilliant, and so yeah, I just
(33:17):
could not disagree with someone more than I disagree with
Michael on this. And you got to make your own
decisions on individual judges. I'm just telling you, overall, as
a system, we're really lucky we have what we have
in Colorado. All Right, I'm sorry I chewed up everybody's time,
but that's an important issue and we get a bunch
of texts and calls. Here's what I want to say
to the folks kind enough to be on the line now.
(33:40):
If you want to call back at the start of
the show tomorrow, I'll make sure you get on first.
Kelly can take your names. Kelly, would you talk to
these nice people and make sure they have a chance
to come on first tomorrow if they want to do that. Texters,
we got a ton of great texts coming in, all
of which are going to be equally relevant tomorrow because
this election is not going away. It'll just be one
day closer tomorrow and we'll get to that as well. Ryan,
(34:04):
I can't see through the glare. Who is your protege today?
Who's helping us out? I want to make sure I
think this person who's done a very good job. We
have not had any glitches. Where did Ryan go?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
See?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
If you're in our studio, we have this big glare
on the window, so I literally cannot see who is
behind there. So whoever you are, thank you. You are spectacular.
You should get a raise. You want to introduce yourself,
my friend, You want to come on, say hello, what's
your name? Whoever you are, you did a tremendous job. Hey,
(34:40):
how's it going. I hope you'll come back tomorrow. Kelly,
thank you as well, and please do join us tomorrow
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