George Brauchler, Republican candidate for district attorney in the newly formed 23rd judicial district, joins Dan to provide his legal perspective on the Jena Griswold scandal involving the Secretary of State's office posting passwords for voting machines on their website.
George Brauchler for District Attorney of CO’s 23rd District
Dan sports an epic orange vest for Halloween, mimicking Donald Trump's garbage man schtick on the campaign trail in Green Bay. Also, did he encounter a ghost in his car while backing out of the Snooze parking lot this morning?
George Brauchler for District Attorney of CO’s 23rd District
Dan sports an epic orange vest for Halloween, mimicking Donald Trump's garbage man schtick on the campaign trail in Green Bay. Also, did he encounter a ghost in his car while backing out of the Snooze parking lot this morning?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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start to show the Right Way with George Brockler. If
(00:20):
you're new to the planet. George a very accomplished district
attorney in a repo the eighteenth and he's now about
to be elected DA in the new Douglas County district.
So George joins us to talk about this deeply concerning,
really remarkable in all the bad ways story about Colorado
Secretary of State Jenner grissold It loves to brag about
(00:42):
how she's the gold standard and everything else and so
holier than now.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
And has just had failure after failure. And now what
do we have.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Thanks to the Colorado GOP breaking the story, we have
her office posting online six hundred different passwords, bios password
words to election equipment in Colorado. So George kind enough
to join us on the issue.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Of is there a crime here or.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Is it quote just a gross incompetence recklessness that requires
the resignation.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
George, welcome back to the Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Hey, thanks for having me on, Dan, Happy Halloween. Love
the outfit.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, thank you, my friend, thank you. It's my orange
vest and just in the spirit of the moment.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah. Thanks. A lot of great comments on it today too.
But yeah, George, so I know you've been studying this.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
You tweeted out at George Brockler CRS one DASH thirteen
DESH seven O eight sub two. Can you walk people
through that and give us your take on this?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, you have to go back to Tina Peters. Right, So,
Tina Peters happens. There's an indictment. That indictment contains language
that says, amongst many of the other things that Tina's
accused of doing, she posted online the very same passwords
that Jenna Grizzold's office just posted online, and it says
it's a serious data breach. In response to that, Tina
(02:04):
Peters gets charged with a couple of different charges, but
not this one. And the reasons this one wasn't charged
is because it didn't exist. This was part of a
twenty twenty two bill that Jenna championed. That usurped a
lot of local control from county clerics and created broad
sweeping powers and a duty for Jenna to safe keep
these elections. But it also created a brand new law.
(02:25):
That's the one I put in the tweet there that's
gone crazy, Dan, I've never had a tweet like this.
You have them all the time. I don't. It's had
over like four hundred and twenty thousand impression. Wow, I've
never seen anything like it. And it's just the law
and this statute, which I think we should call Jenna's law,
for the law she can't be that allows her, that
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allows her to go after anyone who posts online passwords,
and it calls it a fifth class felony when it happens.
And so the question you asked is the most important one,
and that is is what she did at crime? And
the best answer I can give to what she has
right there is we don't know yet. We don't know yet,
but there needs to be an investigation. Yes, the long
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self requires knowing conduct, but we don't know. I mean
the number of questions that have yet to be answered,
and the frustrating part for me, and I'm sure it's
for the listeners too. Is nobody in power seems to
give a damn about getting answers to any of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Jeez, I wonder why what party.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Is you from?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I think it's the dam Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, and Georgia At this point, as I've talked about
from the jump on this, I mean, there has to
be a special prosecutor, right, I mean you can't have
Phil Wiser investigating her. You can't have any other Democrat
investigating her. And that's no reflection on any of those individuals,
but simply for public confidence, you know, this can't appear
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to be political. You have to have a true independent
prosecutor with the kind of forensic help that you need
to get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That's absolutely right, And you know it's not throwing stones
to say what you said, because there are legitimate conflicts
that exist that would not just the party affiliation. But
the Attorney General represents the Secretary of State's office. When
Jenna went to court and tried to keep Trump off
the ballot, the person sitting at the table representing her
from the AGS. So Phil can't really investigate her. But
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we do have a bit of a roadmap for this
way back in two thousand and eight, there was a
DA named John Newsom down in Opaso County, predecessor Dan May,
and he ran into some trouble and needed to be
investigated for how he appropriated certain funds. So Ritter appoints
John Southers right quality AG, A great AG. So others says,
hang on, I used to be John Newsom's boss. I
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can't do this. That looks like a conflict. So he
turned around and then appointed two former district attorneys Al
Dominga's at a Weld and stut Van Mevrin at a Larimer.
So we already have a roadmap for how this worked.
And if it requires the governor appointing the attorney general
to appoint a former prosecutor, I just happen to know
a couple, yes.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
And so, But George, I'm sure everybody listening is thinking
the same thing. Is there any way we can make
this happen? Whose desk is it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
On right now? Who has the primary responsibility right now
to make this happen?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
So glad you asked, this election law is clear and
that it is the jurisdiction to cover election law. To
protect our election laws falls between both the Attorney General
and the district attorney. But here's what the statute says.
If anybody, any person takes an affi David to the
district Attorney's office, and the only relevant district attorney's office
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at this point would be Beth McCann's, Devers takes an
affidavit identifying the person they think committed a violation of
the election law and spells out the facts, then the
DA must initiate. It says, shall initiate an investigation and
where reasonable, pursue a prosecution. And that's the ticket right there.
We can call on polls to do it, and he
shouldn't want us to call on him. He should want
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to do this proactically because the problem is Dan. You've
called him out, I've called him out. The other media
has called him out. If they if they do it now,
he looks like he's caving in. And we know one
thing is true. The only person he gives into is
Kim Kardashian. So until he called an as.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Well said yeah, yeah, no, oh my lord, don't get
me started on that. Perture So right, George Brockler, our
guest candidate for DA in the twenty third George Brockler
dot com. So, as a practical matter, George, does this
person who walks into the DA's office respectfully and provides
the required paperwork need to be a Denver resident?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Nope, okay, No, The.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Way the statue reads is any person.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
So can you get there before the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I can't. It's Halloween, So I've got them. I've got
candy kid duties that I've got in front of me.
But it doesn't mean we couldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
But wait a second, the DA could do it on
their own initiative obviously, right, which the DA should have
already done.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Now, maybe the DA has and we just don't know
about it yet. But that has to happen.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Jenna Griswold should be requesting it.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
She should be you're right, you're right. Anybody worth their
salt in public office should be saying, hey, I don't
want my fingerprints on this investigation. I want someone else
to come in here and find where my fingerprints are
and clear me of this so we could move forward.
But everything she's done, Dan, and you've talked about this
now for a couple of days. Everything she's done has
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been put Jenna first, put Colorado's election system. Second, how
do you not tell the clerks?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Well, that's what I was just going to say.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
In great job by Kyle Clerk reporting on this, she reportedly,
is this right? George did not tell the clerks for
five days after this was discovered.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
That is correct. And the only reason she told the
clerks was because Dave Williams and the g came out
with the news and then she had to rush to
tell the clerks. I mean, this is crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Why didn't she tell the clerks?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Hijacked an investigation in Mesa County jump the investigations announced. Hey,
by the way, a bunch of ballots were stolen and
some of them swept through the system. That was premature
because the investigation wasn't done. Now she says, well, we
didn't tell anybody because we're investigating ourselves.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
What you know, what's ironic here is if there is
not very soon announced some very high level, credible, independent investigation,
it's the most profound indictment of these elected Democrats and
Democratic Party in Colorado that we've seen probably in our lifetime.
And there's a lot of reason to criticize both, but
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this would be by far the worst because that would
just be an admission at this point, right, that that
politics before public interest, politics before you know the integrity
of our electoral system.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I mean, yeah, it would be worst if.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
You're Phil Wiser. You want to be governor, right, and
Jenna wants to be governor. So Phil says, look, I
represent you. I will compete for the same thing. If
this guy wanted credibility statewide, independent of party. This is
a guy that could come forward and say we got
to do this, and Jenna, you need to agree to this.
The governor wants to be president, he should have gotten
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down in front of us and said, hey, dang party
be damned, this is an election system we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
You're right, my brother, that's what should have happened. It
should have happened for all sorts of reasons. Can you
stay through another segment, because what I want to submit
to you on the other side, though, is I believe
that is not happening now for political reasons. And George Brockler,
I guess he'll come back on the other side. But
as I was saying yesterday, my belief I can't prove it.
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I'm not even sure it's true. My belief is that
the reason this story got launched in Kyle Clark did
a tremendous job, no matter what the motives were. But listen,
I think the left once Griswold gone and to the
point before the governor's race starts next Wednesday, and.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
She is a very.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Inconvenient truths as a candidate for governor, which is that
the left talks this big game about diversity and enlightenment
and everything else, but when it comes to doling out
these big jobs like governor and senator, it's the white
guys who get them, and it's usually the old white
guys who get them. So the last thing they want
is Jenna Griswold in that governor's race, reminding people that, hey,
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wait a second, what about women?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
You know, what about people of colors?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So I think they want Jenna Griswold out of the way,
and this story, it is the perfect way to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
You're on the Dan Kapla.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Show and now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast right.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Blond Sound CNN because it reminds me so much of
twenty sixteen, And I think there are a lot of
similarities right now between this campaign and that campaign. The
divisions in the country were significant back then. People didn't
think Trump had a chance back then, He's been gaining
and gaining the momentum.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I don't know who's gonna win. I can't call it, and.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
Nobody should because statistically and polling and.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Focused books, it is way too close to call.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
However, the momentum is clearly in what I see, what
I hear is in his favor, and so every word,
every phrase, every misstep, every gaff matters as those last
remaining persuadables make their decision. I don't believe in they
undecided anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I don't believe there is undecided.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So Franklin's hey, really happy to have George Brockler with us.
George is a super prosecutor first in the eighteenth in
a rapo about to be elected DA in the new
twenty third, which is Douglas County. He has a tweet
at this point which I think has probably been seen
by is it two billion people at this point, George,
this is some kind of new record, like four thousand,
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four hundred and twenty thousand.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
It's at four hundred and twenty thousand now impressions and
then like tens of thousands of likes and retweets, And
the crazy thing is it's a little insulting. All I
did was quote the law. Like when I say things,
it gets virtually no likes, but when I quote the law, bam,
it just blows up.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, and I'll quote for you what George posted that
has all of these likes and views, obviously from all
over the country. CRS one thirteen seven eight to two quote.
Any person who knowingly publishes or causes to be published
passwords ellipses relating to a voting system shall immediately have
their authorized access revoked and is guilty of a Class
five felony. Obviously, there's the knowingly requirement, but as George
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pointed out, hey, we need a full investigation done by
an independent prosecutor to determine whether that occurred.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Here.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
That's right now, and isn't it weird. I've heard that
this employee she blames some employee, and that this employee
is no longer with the office. And I've heard people
say he or she we don't know what's fired. Well,
I don't know if that's true. Here's something else we
know about the Dems in power and stay governed. They
hide the bad things that happen in office by making
these people sign these non disclosure drive government employees and
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give them severance pactes that happen ilegal. We don't know.
We just can't. It should be legal. We can't know
unless there's an independent investigation.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Right, so we do not know if that happened here.
But George, you had mentioned another statute. I believe that
might apply here if I read this correctly. Is there
another statute that more broadly just discusses and I'm paraphrasing,
like official incompetence.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Well, yeah, there's two. There's two other statutes that apply that,
unlike Jenna's Law, were in existence for Tina Peters, and
we're actually got convicted of why law and it's it's
where you're it's a missing incompetence law, missing confidence law.
Tina got convicted of something called second degree official misconduct,
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and that actually could apply here as well. And I'll
tell you why. There's two things. And then there's an
act full statute within the election law that's called violation
of a duty, and that duty is defined by Jenna's
Law because there's this pre am or the legislature set
out in twenty twenty two, all the responsibilities that the
Secretary of State's state has now in these new superpowers
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that they have, and she has clearly failed them, because
one of them is to protect the election system and
to follow the state and federal laws that are applicable
to it. Now clearly she hasn't done that, and failing
that duty, she signed up in my opinion, for that
charge and the second degree official misconduct.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
So now the big question is will there be a
special prosecutor, as there clearly needs to be, Which is
not a conclusion that you or anybody else committed a crime.
The point is simply that there are fair questions out
there that have to be answered in the interest of
public confidence in the system and in the interest of
making sure nothing was compromised here. So I don't have
the ability to know the answer to that. You need
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somebody with investigative powers, somebody with subpoena power if ness's
through a grand jury, somebody with a forensic expert. So
as people are driving down the street right now, George,
you know, they're probably making Dennis a lot of money,
just grinding their teeth together, thinking, OMG, the Left's going
to be able to just sweep this under the carpet.
There's not going to be any real investigation. If it
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was a Republican they already would have had the public hanging.
So in the end, is there anything people listening can
do to make sure that what should happen happens.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
What if everybody either send an email to because we
know poll us response to two things Kim Kardashian and
the other is a change dot org petition. Right, those
have changed his mind on multiple criminal things. But I
think I think what we need is just one one
good person in that Denver area there to go in
and swear out an affidavit using nothing more than Kyle
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Clark's interview and any of the number of articles that
got reported. It's got Jenna's statements on it. That should
be enough to launch an investigation. And when you say
we know this would be different for Republican, we know
it would be different because it happened. When Jenna saw
something she thought was miss convict in Mesa, she swooped
in and removed an elected official from her authority to
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oversee that election. We know that if a Republican clerk
and recorder had posted passwords online, she would have rushed
to MSNBC. She would have talked about protecting the system,
she would have condemned that person and stripped them of
their authority. But when she does it and Kyle Clark
asks the common sense question, Hey, are you going to resign,
She's like, absolutely not. Why all the heirs big sigh, Well,
(16:37):
I thought perfectly, yeah, well the person that's taken over
the election system.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
And let me shift out of legal analysis to politics
for a second, which you also do so very well
and did for years on your own show. First of all,
I think Kyle Clark did spectacular work on this, and
it was a good reminder of when we used to
have multiple investigatives.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Who did not appear to be just kind.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Of activists for political party interest and they did great
investigative reporting all the time, and every station had one,
and it was a great service to this state and
Kyle Clark. This one report was just a reminder of
those golden days and how valuable it is. So full
credit to Kyle Clark for all of that. Now, my
own suspicion, of course, is that there's politics behind this,
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and that the left ones Jenna Griswold out of the
way before this governor's race starts next Wednesday. So which
deems do you expect to see in the governor's race.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Well prior to this and depending upon how she weathers it,
I would have said Jenna Griswold, Phil Wiser, and an
outside chance at jo Nah Goose. And I say outside
chance because if the Republicans maintained control of the House
after Tuesday, and I expect that they will, even if
it's a narrow majority, if they maintain it, then I
think he looked strongly at jumping into the governor's race,
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and frankly, out of the three of them, I think
Joe is probably the best. Keep him out of the tree.
But if they take over the leadership of the House,
we're talking about a kid who's I don't know how
old is Jodah Gou's seventeen or something, but he's already
the number four guy in that right here, likely to
climb that ladder.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
And well thought of there, George, is you know better
than I do. The music means done for today, A
great work on this heading toward half a million views
of that tweet. Thank you, George, Thanks for the time,
good luck on Tuesday Halloween you as well.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast, say good, tired.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
Of the negative arm mind, buy you dank Joyce and
be in your mind for us to say, no, we
are not going backwards.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
Are going.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I'm scared. What happened to the joy? What happened to
the joy?
Speaker 10 (19:02):
That was Hillary and Kamalo and a duet? Oh man,
this is scary Halloween. Hey glad you are here. By
the way, George Brockler started the show with us.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
If you missed it, you might want to pick up
the podcast because we were doing a legal deep dive
on the statutes might apply if in I underlying, if
there are any crimes associated with Jenna Griswold's office releasing
six hundred passwords to election equipment. Now, we have no
reason to believe at this point that there was anything
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actually compromised in the end, but we can't know, and
the people the state have to know. There has to
be an independent prosecutor with forensic experts. There has to
be a deep dive. We have to get the full
truth public publishedly announced and provided in a way that
people can analyze. We'll get into the Trump campaign and
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what it had to say to Griswold today, and of
course we'll get to all the latest on the presidential
Let's go first to Jim and Very you're on the
Damn Kaplis Show.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Welcome Jim Van, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Sure.
Speaker 9 (20:05):
I think Donald Trump should make a campaign promise right
now that if elected, he'd bring together both the Senate
and the Congress with the mandate that they work together
and craft a national abortion bill, thereby taking that issue
off the table completely. What do you think I.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Think he'd lose?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
You serious?
Speaker 9 (20:25):
Yeah, seventy Americans think there should be some agree with abortions,
some some form of abortions.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Well, I agree with you on that, but a good
strong majority of Americans object to late term abortions for example.
Speaker 9 (20:43):
Right, That's that's what the Congress and the Senate is
getting the get rid of those things.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
But the point is it belongs in the states. It belongs.
Speaker 9 (20:51):
Why do you say that when you can bring it
before the Congress and the Senate and have them craft
a bill.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well, first of all, I think you'd run into some
real constantitutional issues with that to begin with.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I mean, what would make that a matter.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Of federal legislative jurisdiction instead of the right of the
people of each state.
Speaker 9 (21:09):
A constitutional amendment. I think Americans are looking for that.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, yeah, listen, now we're shifting gears and talking about
a constitutional amendment. And what I'd say on that is,
as you know, you know what the process involves, and
that it's there's no reason to believe that's going to
happen in America right now. But Jim, all I'm saying is,
and first I approach it from what my mom always
taught me. I consider her a founder. I consider her
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a founder of the pro life movement after Row, and
that is doing the right thing is always good politics.
And so you start with what's the right thing to do,
which is obviously protecting is a human life. But then
you extended, okay, politically, my goodness, Jim. If if Donald
Trump was to in some concrete way right now abandon
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the pro life position, and I don't like some of
the things he said recently, but he's still obviously a
million times better than Kamala Harrison the left, I he
would lose the election because he needs a full throated, massive,
energetic turnout from his base to win this election, and
a big part of his base are committed pro lifers.
(22:17):
And I'll tell you something about we pro lifers, and
you are probably one of well I don't know if
you are, Jim, but pro lifers there's nothing in it
for them other than the purity of the cause. And
you are voting to save a life. And if all
of a sudden it appears that your candidate is no
better than the other side when it comes to saving lives,
guess what, You're not going to vote for that person.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (22:40):
I did not expect that take from you. I thought
this would be some way to shut the left up.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Well, but the respectfully, Jim, the idea, in my mind
is not to shut the left up. The idea is
to convince the American people that abortion is what it
really is and that it shouldn't be permitted. So that
that's that's I think what we need to do.
Speaker 9 (23:06):
But well, I don't know your position. I'm going to
guess at it now. But there's got to be exceptions
for the mother like that. You won't agree with that.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Here.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
My starting point is this, we have to start with
the reality. This is an innocent human life. So that's
just a scientific reality. That's not religion, that's not philosophy.
That's the scientific reality. So now what you're really asking is, Okay,
under what circumstances can we kill an innocent human life?
And so my view is I want to protect every
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innocent human life. But if I have a chance to
save the vast majority of innocent human lives as sooner
on the way to saving them all, than I'd want.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
To do that.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
So obviously, politically, you know, whether you're talking individual states
or whatever, there are almost always going to be exceptions,
and and so I'm for saving every life as quickly
as we can until we get to the day when
we can.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Save them all.
Speaker 9 (24:05):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, Jim, appreciate the call. Thank you for that. My friend.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Listen, in terms of abortion, Hey, we're going to find
out together Tuesday, right, We're going to find out together Tuesday.
If there's a sleeper pro abortion vote, pro extreme position
on abortion vote on Tuesday night, that's always a possibility
that it's not showing up in the polls, it's going
to be a far more powerful force, and that it
will throw this whole analysis off.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I recognize that's a possibility.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I think I think exponentially greater possibility that Donald Trump
is not only going to win, but win by a
wider margin than expected for the reasons we've talked about
before and will again, and in America right now, you know,
other than the extremist, there is not an appetite. There
is not an appetite for what the Jared polis Is
(24:53):
and Michael Bennett's and John Hickenloopers and Joe Biden's and
Kamala Harris's want, which is, you got that healthy baby
at nine months, seconds away from being delivered with a
healthy mom, you can chop that baby up. No, there
is not an appetite in America for that. And that's
the monstrous extreme that the modern Democrat Credit Party is at.
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And that's why I think as you get into these
polls and you see that the abortion spread not in
all polls, but in many polls is not as big
in Harris's favor as you might imagine. As more and
more Americans are learning just how monstrous the Democratic Party
position is on this, I want to get to some
great text and sound as well.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Interesting point by Texter Damn.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Trump canceled Penn State via Ohio State because Penn State
will be destroyed. Can't be Trump can't be seen supporting
a loser. That's an interesting theory. Yeah, President Trump was
supposed to be at the Penn State game Saturday, and
he's going to be in Virginia now instead, going to
have a couple of other rallies. If I had to bet,
I would bet that he believes are in good state,
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good shape now in Pennsylvania because listen, he asked when
Pennsylvania right, and that he's got a shot, maybe a
shot in Virginia, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I thought another reason he.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Might be passing on the Penn State game is not
wanting to alienate Pennsylvania voters by causing a big traffic mass,
by causing a big security mess at the stadium, because
as you know, that can happen when somebody of his
stature goes to a stadium.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
And I would still bet on that. But that is
an interesting theory.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
What do you think of that, Ryan that because truly
Ohio State will probably roll Penn State in that game.
Speaker 10 (26:32):
Well, it's only a three and a half point spread
at the moment, and Penn State is a hang underdog.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
What did they know?
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Now?
Speaker 10 (26:37):
I think I would still like that he would go
to the game. It's such an important state pivotal. You
got the most popular college football team in the state,
the Nindy Lions. I think it makes a lot of sense.
And he's been hitting all the right notes lately. Dan
with the McDonald's with the vest that you're wearing right
now in the garbage, did you.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Tweet that out and people can sell that, Dan Kaplack
In my costume today, I've got my sanitation worker costume
on and it's I think it's a good look.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Makes me look a little well trimmer.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
That's what Trump suggests.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I got some bodyo all o line, we're going to play.
Speaker 10 (27:11):
But he took his jacket off and just had the
dress shirt, and I think that was.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
More comical look for him.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Tremendous look. But yeah, no, that's interesting. But that's what
encourages me so much. Ryan, among other things. We both
know if Donald Trump thought he needed to be at
that Penn State game to win Pennsylvania, he would be
at that Penn State game. He's been all in on Pennsylvania.
Speaker 10 (27:36):
There's a couple of rescheduling things, and always for these
last few days, listeners follow where the candidates go.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
He was in Albuquerque, New Mexico today.
Speaker 10 (27:44):
That's not supposed to be a swing state now either
he's trying to bluff and act like it is. The
last polling data shows him within four or five points,
that's just outside the margin of error. But then he's
rescheduled some Pennsylvania appearances for two in Michigan, including the
last stop where he made the last stop up in
twenty sixteen was my former hometown, Grand Rapids Mission, remember that,
And that's where he's going to be Monday night.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
And his famous line when he showed up at that
rally and it was early on election day, right, and
he said, this doesn't feel like second place.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
And I know we need to hit this hard break.
But a couple of things.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
We just start with the obvious, right, he knows he
has to have Pennsylvania, right, So I think the fact
he's not going to that penn State game tells me
they think they have Pennsylvania. And I don't know how
else you could possibly be unless again it's a concern
about making enemies because his appearance would delay entry to
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the stadium, cause all sorts of traffic and security issues.
But we have a lot more ground to cover when
we come back. Just some of that instant classic sound
and Trump's doing a great job of carrying out you know,
the Biden labeling half the country as garbage, and Mark
Cuban trying to trying to double down on that today
but this time aimed at women. Will have that as well.
(29:01):
But I want to ask you when you get back,
something weird, not scary, but weird that happened to me
this morning. Could never see it coming. You've probably never
heard of it happening.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Was it a ghost? You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
And now back to the Dan Taplass Show podcast.
Speaker 11 (29:20):
Republicans have been registered voters in big, huge numbers. They
have been gaining in party registration versus the Democrats in
the swing states with party registration.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
We're talking Arizona.
Speaker 11 (29:31):
I think it's a five point they've expanded their lead
from five points from where it was back in twenty twenty.
How about Nevada, Big Republican registrations there, they liked.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
The early vote.
Speaker 11 (29:39):
How about North Carolina, big Republican registration games.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
How about Pennsylvania. We spoke about it before a few
months ago.
Speaker 11 (29:45):
Big Republican party registration games versus from where they were
four years ago. So Republicans are putting more Republicans in
the electorate. The Democratic number versus the Republican number has shrunk.
And so the bottom line is if Republicans win, come
next week, Donald Trump wins comes next week, the signs
all along will have been obvious. We would look at
the right direction being very low, Joe Biden's approval rating
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being very low, and republic things really registering numbers.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
You can't say you weren't warned. And that's CNN. Glad
you're here.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Let me go to the phone lines, back to the text.
And this really amazing time to be alive. Right, Obviously
you're into this stuff. You're listening to a show like this,
but there's never been a moment like this. I do
don't want to throw this out here real quick. Do
you think this was a ghost or is there some
mechanical explanation. It's just something I never would have seen coming,
(30:36):
and I wouldn't even mention it if it wasn't for Halloween.
But okay, so this morning I'm getting.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Ready to leave.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Every day I go to breakfast at snooze on my
way into the office.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
It's just a.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Great daily tradition. So I'm backing out of my parking space.
Every time I put it in reverse, the trunk opens,
because I have a hatchback right SUV. Every single time
I put it into reverse, the trunk opens. Now I've
got to leave to go down to Colorado Springs to
visit a couple of great clients of mine. But every
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time I put it in reverse, the trunk opens. Happened
nine straight times before I said I don't have time
for this. I just put it in reverse, let the
trunk open, backed it out, closed the trunk, and then
didn't reverse.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Again, just kept going straight.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
So Ryan on Halloween, is that a ghost having some
fun or how do you otherwise explain that?
Speaker 10 (31:34):
The timing of it is what throws everything into question.
I think any other day you're thinking it's some kind
of what would you be thinking?
Speaker 5 (31:41):
It's so odd?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I've never heard or seen.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
And I've had some very bad cars over the years,
you know, cars that got pushed more than they got driven.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
But this is a really good car, as it would be.
Speaker 10 (31:54):
But every time you put in reverse that inside with
the trunk, oh, it.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Was Yeah, their connection was clear.
Speaker 10 (32:00):
That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, yeah, hard
to explain.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah, And then later in the day it stopped. So
I'm just wondering if it was just a ghost having
some food.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Jim in Denver. You're on the Dan Kapla show. You
could be a friendly ghost.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Yeah, hey, Jim, Dan, how are you doing.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
I'm living the.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Dream, my friend. How about you? You ready for that
big Trump victory? You got the champagne.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
I honestly think Kamala is going to pull it out. Wow,
we'll see. I mean pretty much. It's a top you had, Harry.
I think you had Harry Antono. I was that Harry.
But he also put out another thing that said, fifteen
out of the last sixteen elections, the candidate with the
(32:47):
highest favorability rating one so and Kamala has that right now.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Well, and the one way that didn't happen was twenty
sixteen with Trump.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, who was up.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Against much better candidate than Kamala Harris, Okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
No, but I'm just saying you know that.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I mean, listen, nothing's guaranteed. We've said all along, right,
there's one. Oh, yeah, you want to talk about something else,
go for it.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I do, and thank you. You know I'm a liberal Democrat.
I listened to a lot of what Trump says, and
I'm really alarmed at the things that I hear him
saying that campaign stop after campaign stop. He's making the
same reckless accusations that motivated the attack on the Congress
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four years ago. He's saying, you know that twenty twenty
was stolen, and he's saying that the only way the
Democrats can win is if there's is if they steal it.
And he says they cheat, and they cheat, and they cheat,
and I think he's sowing seeds. I mean, I can't
(33:57):
believe he's doing this, after seeing the violence that the
accusations caused last time, that he's throwing out the same
seeds to his followers.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Let me ask you this, to let me ask you this,
my friend.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
If let's say, if in fact, an election was rigged,
and you know, I've said repeatedly on the show, I've
not seen proof to convince me that there was enough
fraud to overturn the election, But if an election was rigged,
you would agree that a candidate should be talking about
(34:32):
that and should be saying, hey, the election was rigged
and we need to make sure we have a clean election.
You would not disagree with that right, I agree on
and Donald Trump, I think truly believes to his cores
that that election was stolen. And I think he truly
(34:53):
believes that. Now, as you know, Jim, when we talk
about different ways to rig an election, I think the
media rigged that election by burying the Hunter Biden Joe
Biden corruption story. And I think that's one way to
rig an election, and I think the media did that. Hey,
I don't want to cut you off. We have Wayne
Williams coming up, the former Secretary of State at five
(35:15):
six to talk about this big, big, big problem in
the secretary of State's office. Jim hold On, we'd love
to get you back later on the show and continue
the conversation on The Dan Kapli Show.
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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start to show the Right Way with George Brockler. If
(00:20):
you're new to the planet. George a very accomplished district
attorney in a repo the eighteenth and he's now about
to be elected DA in the new Douglas County district.
So George joins us to talk about this deeply concerning,
really remarkable in all the bad ways story about Colorado
Secretary of State Jenner grissold It loves to brag about
(00:42):
how she's the gold standard and everything else and so
holier than now.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
And has just had failure after failure. And now what
do we have.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Thanks to the Colorado GOP breaking the story, we have
her office posting online six hundred different passwords, bios password
words to election equipment in Colorado. So George kind enough
to join us on the issue.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Of is there a crime here or.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Is it quote just a gross incompetence recklessness that requires
the resignation.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
George, welcome back to the Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Hey, thanks for having me on, Dan, Happy Halloween. Love
the outfit.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, thank you, my friend, thank you. It's my orange
vest and just in the spirit of the moment.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah. Thanks. A lot of great comments on it today too.
But yeah, George, so I know you've been studying this.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
You tweeted out at George Brockler CRS one DASH thirteen
DESH seven O eight sub two. Can you walk people
through that and give us your take on this?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, you have to go back to Tina Peters. Right, So,
Tina Peters happens. There's an indictment. That indictment contains language
that says, amongst many of the other things that Tina's
accused of doing, she posted online the very same passwords
that Jenna Grizzold's office just posted online, and it says
it's a serious data breach. In response to that, Tina
(02:04):
Peters gets charged with a couple of different charges, but
not this one. And the reasons this one wasn't charged
is because it didn't exist. This was part of a
twenty twenty two bill that Jenna championed. That usurped a
lot of local control from county clerics and created broad
sweeping powers and a duty for Jenna to safe keep
these elections. But it also created a brand new law.
(02:25):
That's the one I put in the tweet there that's
gone crazy, Dan, I've never had a tweet like this.
You have them all the time. I don't. It's had
over like four hundred and twenty thousand impression. Wow, I've
never seen anything like it. And it's just the law
and this statute, which I think we should call Jenna's law,
for the law she can't be that allows her, that
(02:46):
allows her to go after anyone who posts online passwords,
and it calls it a fifth class felony when it happens.
And so the question you asked is the most important one,
and that is is what she did at crime? And
the best answer I can give to what she has
right there is we don't know yet. We don't know yet,
but there needs to be an investigation. Yes, the long
(03:08):
self requires knowing conduct, but we don't know. I mean
the number of questions that have yet to be answered,
and the frustrating part for me, and I'm sure it's
for the listeners too. Is nobody in power seems to
give a damn about getting answers to any of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Jeez, I wonder why what party.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Is you from?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I think it's the dam Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, and Georgia At this point, as I've talked about
from the jump on this, I mean, there has to
be a special prosecutor, right, I mean you can't have
Phil Wiser investigating her. You can't have any other Democrat
investigating her. And that's no reflection on any of those individuals,
but simply for public confidence, you know, this can't appear
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to be political. You have to have a true independent
prosecutor with the kind of forensic help that you need
to get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That's absolutely right, And you know it's not throwing stones
to say what you said, because there are legitimate conflicts
that exist that would not just the party affiliation. But
the Attorney General represents the Secretary of State's office. When
Jenna went to court and tried to keep Trump off
the ballot, the person sitting at the table representing her
from the AGS. So Phil can't really investigate her. But
(04:24):
we do have a bit of a roadmap for this
way back in two thousand and eight, there was a
DA named John Newsom down in Opaso County, predecessor Dan May,
and he ran into some trouble and needed to be
investigated for how he appropriated certain funds. So Ritter appoints
John Southers right quality AG, A great AG. So others says,
hang on, I used to be John Newsom's boss. I
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can't do this. That looks like a conflict. So he
turned around and then appointed two former district attorneys Al
Dominga's at a Weld and stut Van Mevrin at a Larimer.
So we already have a roadmap for how this worked.
And if it requires the governor appointing the attorney general
to appoint a former prosecutor, I just happen to know
a couple, yes.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
And so, But George, I'm sure everybody listening is thinking
the same thing. Is there any way we can make
this happen? Whose desk is it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
On right now? Who has the primary responsibility right now
to make this happen?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
So glad you asked, this election law is clear and
that it is the jurisdiction to cover election law. To
protect our election laws falls between both the Attorney General
and the district attorney. But here's what the statute says.
If anybody, any person takes an affi David to the
district Attorney's office, and the only relevant district attorney's office
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at this point would be Beth McCann's, Devers takes an
affidavit identifying the person they think committed a violation of
the election law and spells out the facts, then the
DA must initiate. It says, shall initiate an investigation and
where reasonable, pursue a prosecution. And that's the ticket right there.
We can call on polls to do it, and he
shouldn't want us to call on him. He should want
(06:05):
to do this proactically because the problem is Dan. You've
called him out, I've called him out. The other media
has called him out. If they if they do it now,
he looks like he's caving in. And we know one
thing is true. The only person he gives into is
Kim Kardashian. So until he called an as.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Well said yeah, yeah, no, oh my lord, don't get
me started on that. Perture So right, George Brockler, our
guest candidate for DA in the twenty third George Brockler
dot com. So, as a practical matter, George, does this
person who walks into the DA's office respectfully and provides
the required paperwork need to be a Denver resident?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Nope, okay, No, The.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Way the statue reads is any person.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
So can you get there before the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I can't. It's Halloween, So I've got them. I've got
candy kid duties that I've got in front of me.
But it doesn't mean we couldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
But wait a second, the DA could do it on
their own initiative obviously, right, which the DA should have
already done.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Now, maybe the DA has and we just don't know
about it yet. But that has to happen.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Jenna Griswold should be requesting it.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
She should be you're right, you're right. Anybody worth their
salt in public office should be saying, hey, I don't
want my fingerprints on this investigation. I want someone else
to come in here and find where my fingerprints are
and clear me of this so we could move forward.
But everything she's done, Dan, and you've talked about this
now for a couple of days. Everything she's done has
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been put Jenna first, put Colorado's election system. Second, how
do you not tell the clerks?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Well, that's what I was just going to say.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
In great job by Kyle Clerk reporting on this, she reportedly,
is this right? George did not tell the clerks for
five days after this was discovered.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
That is correct. And the only reason she told the
clerks was because Dave Williams and the g came out
with the news and then she had to rush to
tell the clerks. I mean, this is crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Why didn't she tell the clerks?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Hijacked an investigation in Mesa County jump the investigations announced. Hey,
by the way, a bunch of ballots were stolen and
some of them swept through the system. That was premature
because the investigation wasn't done. Now she says, well, we
didn't tell anybody because we're investigating ourselves.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
What you know, what's ironic here is if there is
not very soon announced some very high level, credible, independent investigation,
it's the most profound indictment of these elected Democrats and
Democratic Party in Colorado that we've seen probably in our lifetime.
And there's a lot of reason to criticize both, but
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this would be by far the worst because that would
just be an admission at this point, right, that that
politics before public interest, politics before you know the integrity
of our electoral system.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I mean, yeah, it would be worst if.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
You're Phil Wiser. You want to be governor, right, and
Jenna wants to be governor. So Phil says, look, I
represent you. I will compete for the same thing. If
this guy wanted credibility statewide, independent of party. This is
a guy that could come forward and say we got
to do this, and Jenna, you need to agree to this.
The governor wants to be president, he should have gotten
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down in front of us and said, hey, dang party
be damned, this is an election system we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
You're right, my brother, that's what should have happened. It
should have happened for all sorts of reasons. Can you
stay through another segment, because what I want to submit
to you on the other side, though, is I believe
that is not happening now for political reasons. And George Brockler,
I guess he'll come back on the other side. But
as I was saying yesterday, my belief I can't prove it.
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I'm not even sure it's true. My belief is that
the reason this story got launched in Kyle Clark did
a tremendous job, no matter what the motives were. But listen,
I think the left once Griswold gone and to the
point before the governor's race starts next Wednesday, and.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
She is a very.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Inconvenient truths as a candidate for governor, which is that
the left talks this big game about diversity and enlightenment
and everything else, but when it comes to doling out
these big jobs like governor and senator, it's the white
guys who get them, and it's usually the old white
guys who get them. So the last thing they want
is Jenna Griswold in that governor's race, reminding people that, hey,
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wait a second, what about women?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
You know, what about people of colors?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So I think they want Jenna Griswold out of the way,
and this story, it is the perfect way to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
You're on the Dan Kapla.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Show and now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast right.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Blond Sound CNN because it reminds me so much of
twenty sixteen, And I think there are a lot of
similarities right now between this campaign and that campaign. The
divisions in the country were significant back then. People didn't
think Trump had a chance back then, He's been gaining
and gaining the momentum.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I don't know who's gonna win. I can't call it, and.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
Nobody should because statistically and polling and.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Focused books, it is way too close to call.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
However, the momentum is clearly in what I see, what
I hear is in his favor, and so every word,
every phrase, every misstep, every gaff matters as those last
remaining persuadables make their decision. I don't believe in they
undecided anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I don't believe there is undecided.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So Franklin's hey, really happy to have George Brockler with us.
George is a super prosecutor first in the eighteenth in
a rapo about to be elected DA in the new
twenty third, which is Douglas County. He has a tweet
at this point which I think has probably been seen
by is it two billion people at this point, George,
this is some kind of new record, like four thousand,
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four hundred and twenty thousand.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
It's at four hundred and twenty thousand now impressions and
then like tens of thousands of likes and retweets, And
the crazy thing is it's a little insulting. All I
did was quote the law. Like when I say things,
it gets virtually no likes, but when I quote the law, bam,
it just blows up.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, and I'll quote for you what George posted that
has all of these likes and views, obviously from all
over the country. CRS one thirteen seven eight to two quote.
Any person who knowingly publishes or causes to be published
passwords ellipses relating to a voting system shall immediately have
their authorized access revoked and is guilty of a Class
five felony. Obviously, there's the knowingly requirement, but as George
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pointed out, hey, we need a full investigation done by
an independent prosecutor to determine whether that occurred.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Here.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
That's right now, and isn't it weird. I've heard that
this employee she blames some employee, and that this employee
is no longer with the office. And I've heard people
say he or she we don't know what's fired. Well,
I don't know if that's true. Here's something else we
know about the Dems in power and stay governed. They
hide the bad things that happen in office by making
these people sign these non disclosure drive government employees and
(13:07):
give them severance pactes that happen ilegal. We don't know.
We just can't. It should be legal. We can't know
unless there's an independent investigation.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Right, so we do not know if that happened here.
But George, you had mentioned another statute. I believe that
might apply here if I read this correctly. Is there
another statute that more broadly just discusses and I'm paraphrasing,
like official incompetence.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Well, yeah, there's two. There's two other statutes that apply that,
unlike Jenna's Law, were in existence for Tina Peters, and
we're actually got convicted of why law and it's it's
where you're it's a missing incompetence law, missing confidence law.
Tina got convicted of something called second degree official misconduct,
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and that actually could apply here as well. And I'll
tell you why. There's two things. And then there's an
act full statute within the election law that's called violation
of a duty, and that duty is defined by Jenna's
Law because there's this pre am or the legislature set
out in twenty twenty two, all the responsibilities that the
Secretary of State's state has now in these new superpowers
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that they have, and she has clearly failed them, because
one of them is to protect the election system and
to follow the state and federal laws that are applicable
to it. Now clearly she hasn't done that, and failing
that duty, she signed up in my opinion, for that
charge and the second degree official misconduct.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
So now the big question is will there be a
special prosecutor, as there clearly needs to be, Which is
not a conclusion that you or anybody else committed a crime.
The point is simply that there are fair questions out
there that have to be answered in the interest of
public confidence in the system and in the interest of
making sure nothing was compromised here. So I don't have
the ability to know the answer to that. You need
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somebody with investigative powers, somebody with subpoena power if ness's
through a grand jury, somebody with a forensic expert. So
as people are driving down the street right now, George,
you know, they're probably making Dennis a lot of money,
just grinding their teeth together, thinking, OMG, the Left's going
to be able to just sweep this under the carpet.
There's not going to be any real investigation. If it
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was a Republican they already would have had the public hanging.
So in the end, is there anything people listening can
do to make sure that what should happen happens.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
What if everybody either send an email to because we
know poll us response to two things Kim Kardashian and
the other is a change dot org petition. Right, those
have changed his mind on multiple criminal things. But I
think I think what we need is just one one
good person in that Denver area there to go in
and swear out an affidavit using nothing more than Kyle
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Clark's interview and any of the number of articles that
got reported. It's got Jenna's statements on it. That should
be enough to launch an investigation. And when you say
we know this would be different for Republican, we know
it would be different because it happened. When Jenna saw
something she thought was miss convict in Mesa, she swooped
in and removed an elected official from her authority to
(16:13):
oversee that election. We know that if a Republican clerk
and recorder had posted passwords online, she would have rushed
to MSNBC. She would have talked about protecting the system,
she would have condemned that person and stripped them of
their authority. But when she does it and Kyle Clark
asks the common sense question, Hey, are you going to resign,
She's like, absolutely not. Why all the heirs big sigh, Well,
(16:37):
I thought perfectly, yeah, well the person that's taken over
the election system.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
And let me shift out of legal analysis to politics
for a second, which you also do so very well
and did for years on your own show. First of all,
I think Kyle Clark did spectacular work on this, and
it was a good reminder of when we used to
have multiple investigatives.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Who did not appear to be just kind.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Of activists for political party interest and they did great
investigative reporting all the time, and every station had one,
and it was a great service to this state and
Kyle Clark. This one report was just a reminder of
those golden days and how valuable it is. So full
credit to Kyle Clark for all of that. Now, my
own suspicion, of course, is that there's politics behind this,
(17:27):
and that the left ones Jenna Griswold out of the
way before this governor's race starts next Wednesday. So which
deems do you expect to see in the governor's race.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Well prior to this and depending upon how she weathers it,
I would have said Jenna Griswold, Phil Wiser, and an
outside chance at jo Nah Goose. And I say outside
chance because if the Republicans maintained control of the House
after Tuesday, and I expect that they will, even if
it's a narrow majority, if they maintain it, then I
think he looked strongly at jumping into the governor's race,
(17:57):
and frankly, out of the three of them, I think
Joe is probably the best. Keep him out of the tree.
But if they take over the leadership of the House,
we're talking about a kid who's I don't know how
old is Jodah Gou's seventeen or something, but he's already
the number four guy in that right here, likely to
climb that ladder.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
And well thought of there, George, is you know better
than I do. The music means done for today, A
great work on this heading toward half a million views
of that tweet. Thank you, George, Thanks for the time,
good luck on Tuesday Halloween you as well.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast, say good, tired.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
Of the negative arm mind, buy you dank Joyce and
be in your mind for us to say, no, we
are not going backwards.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
Are going.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I'm scared. What happened to the joy? What happened to
the joy?
Speaker 10 (19:02):
That was Hillary and Kamalo and a duet? Oh man,
this is scary Halloween. Hey glad you are here. By
the way, George Brockler started the show with us.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
If you missed it, you might want to pick up
the podcast because we were doing a legal deep dive
on the statutes might apply if in I underlying, if
there are any crimes associated with Jenna Griswold's office releasing
six hundred passwords to election equipment. Now, we have no
reason to believe at this point that there was anything
(19:33):
actually compromised in the end, but we can't know, and
the people the state have to know. There has to
be an independent prosecutor with forensic experts. There has to
be a deep dive. We have to get the full
truth public publishedly announced and provided in a way that
people can analyze. We'll get into the Trump campaign and
(19:53):
what it had to say to Griswold today, and of
course we'll get to all the latest on the presidential
Let's go first to Jim and Very you're on the
Damn Kaplis Show.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Welcome Jim Van, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Sure.
Speaker 9 (20:05):
I think Donald Trump should make a campaign promise right
now that if elected, he'd bring together both the Senate
and the Congress with the mandate that they work together
and craft a national abortion bill, thereby taking that issue
off the table completely. What do you think I.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Think he'd lose?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
You serious?
Speaker 9 (20:25):
Yeah, seventy Americans think there should be some agree with abortions,
some some form of abortions.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Well, I agree with you on that, but a good
strong majority of Americans object to late term abortions for example.
Speaker 9 (20:43):
Right, That's that's what the Congress and the Senate is
getting the get rid of those things.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
But the point is it belongs in the states. It belongs.
Speaker 9 (20:51):
Why do you say that when you can bring it
before the Congress and the Senate and have them craft
a bill.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well, first of all, I think you'd run into some
real constantitutional issues with that to begin with.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I mean, what would make that a matter.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Of federal legislative jurisdiction instead of the right of the
people of each state.
Speaker 9 (21:09):
A constitutional amendment. I think Americans are looking for that.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, yeah, listen, now we're shifting gears and talking about
a constitutional amendment. And what I'd say on that is,
as you know, you know what the process involves, and
that it's there's no reason to believe that's going to
happen in America right now. But Jim, all I'm saying is,
and first I approach it from what my mom always
taught me. I consider her a founder. I consider her
(21:33):
a founder of the pro life movement after Row, and
that is doing the right thing is always good politics.
And so you start with what's the right thing to do,
which is obviously protecting is a human life. But then
you extended, okay, politically, my goodness, Jim. If if Donald
Trump was to in some concrete way right now abandon
(21:55):
the pro life position, and I don't like some of
the things he said recently, but he's still obviously a
million times better than Kamala Harrison the left, I he
would lose the election because he needs a full throated, massive,
energetic turnout from his base to win this election, and
a big part of his base are committed pro lifers.
(22:17):
And I'll tell you something about we pro lifers, and
you are probably one of well I don't know if
you are, Jim, but pro lifers there's nothing in it
for them other than the purity of the cause. And
you are voting to save a life. And if all
of a sudden it appears that your candidate is no
better than the other side when it comes to saving lives,
guess what, You're not going to vote for that person.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (22:40):
I did not expect that take from you. I thought
this would be some way to shut the left up.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Well, but the respectfully, Jim, the idea, in my mind
is not to shut the left up. The idea is
to convince the American people that abortion is what it
really is and that it shouldn't be permitted. So that
that's that's I think what we need to do.
Speaker 9 (23:06):
But well, I don't know your position. I'm going to
guess at it now. But there's got to be exceptions
for the mother like that. You won't agree with that.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Here.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
My starting point is this, we have to start with
the reality. This is an innocent human life. So that's
just a scientific reality. That's not religion, that's not philosophy.
That's the scientific reality. So now what you're really asking is, Okay,
under what circumstances can we kill an innocent human life?
And so my view is I want to protect every
(23:39):
innocent human life. But if I have a chance to
save the vast majority of innocent human lives as sooner
on the way to saving them all, than I'd want.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
To do that.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
So obviously, politically, you know, whether you're talking individual states
or whatever, there are almost always going to be exceptions,
and and so I'm for saving every life as quickly
as we can until we get to the day when
we can.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Save them all.
Speaker 9 (24:05):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, Jim, appreciate the call. Thank you for that. My friend.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Listen, in terms of abortion, Hey, we're going to find
out together Tuesday, right, We're going to find out together Tuesday.
If there's a sleeper pro abortion vote, pro extreme position
on abortion vote on Tuesday night, that's always a possibility
that it's not showing up in the polls, it's going
to be a far more powerful force, and that it
will throw this whole analysis off.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I recognize that's a possibility.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I think I think exponentially greater possibility that Donald Trump
is not only going to win, but win by a
wider margin than expected for the reasons we've talked about
before and will again, and in America right now, you know,
other than the extremist, there is not an appetite. There
is not an appetite for what the Jared polis Is
(24:53):
and Michael Bennett's and John Hickenloopers and Joe Biden's and
Kamala Harris's want, which is, you got that healthy baby
at nine months, seconds away from being delivered with a
healthy mom, you can chop that baby up. No, there
is not an appetite in America for that. And that's
the monstrous extreme that the modern Democrat Credit Party is at.
(25:14):
And that's why I think as you get into these
polls and you see that the abortion spread not in
all polls, but in many polls is not as big
in Harris's favor as you might imagine. As more and
more Americans are learning just how monstrous the Democratic Party
position is on this, I want to get to some
great text and sound as well.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Interesting point by Texter Damn.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Trump canceled Penn State via Ohio State because Penn State
will be destroyed. Can't be Trump can't be seen supporting
a loser. That's an interesting theory. Yeah, President Trump was
supposed to be at the Penn State game Saturday, and
he's going to be in Virginia now instead, going to
have a couple of other rallies. If I had to bet,
I would bet that he believes are in good state,
(25:57):
good shape now in Pennsylvania because listen, he asked when
Pennsylvania right, and that he's got a shot, maybe a
shot in Virginia, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I thought another reason he.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Might be passing on the Penn State game is not
wanting to alienate Pennsylvania voters by causing a big traffic mass,
by causing a big security mess at the stadium, because
as you know, that can happen when somebody of his
stature goes to a stadium.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
And I would still bet on that. But that is
an interesting theory.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
What do you think of that, Ryan that because truly
Ohio State will probably roll Penn State in that game.
Speaker 10 (26:32):
Well, it's only a three and a half point spread
at the moment, and Penn State is a hang underdog.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
What did they know?
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Now?
Speaker 10 (26:37):
I think I would still like that he would go
to the game. It's such an important state pivotal. You
got the most popular college football team in the state,
the Nindy Lions. I think it makes a lot of sense.
And he's been hitting all the right notes lately. Dan
with the McDonald's with the vest that you're wearing right
now in the garbage, did you.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Tweet that out and people can sell that, Dan Kaplack
In my costume today, I've got my sanitation worker costume
on and it's I think it's a good look.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Makes me look a little well trimmer.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
That's what Trump suggests.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I got some bodyo all o line, we're going to play.
Speaker 10 (27:11):
But he took his jacket off and just had the
dress shirt, and I think that was.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
More comical look for him.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Tremendous look. But yeah, no, that's interesting. But that's what
encourages me so much. Ryan, among other things. We both
know if Donald Trump thought he needed to be at
that Penn State game to win Pennsylvania, he would be
at that Penn State game. He's been all in on Pennsylvania.
Speaker 10 (27:36):
There's a couple of rescheduling things, and always for these
last few days, listeners follow where the candidates go.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
He was in Albuquerque, New Mexico today.
Speaker 10 (27:44):
That's not supposed to be a swing state now either
he's trying to bluff and act like it is. The
last polling data shows him within four or five points,
that's just outside the margin of error. But then he's
rescheduled some Pennsylvania appearances for two in Michigan, including the
last stop where he made the last stop up in
twenty sixteen was my former hometown, Grand Rapids Mission, remember that,
And that's where he's going to be Monday night.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
And his famous line when he showed up at that
rally and it was early on election day, right, and
he said, this doesn't feel like second place.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
And I know we need to hit this hard break.
But a couple of things.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
We just start with the obvious, right, he knows he
has to have Pennsylvania, right, So I think the fact
he's not going to that penn State game tells me
they think they have Pennsylvania. And I don't know how
else you could possibly be unless again it's a concern
about making enemies because his appearance would delay entry to
(28:39):
the stadium, cause all sorts of traffic and security issues.
But we have a lot more ground to cover when
we come back. Just some of that instant classic sound
and Trump's doing a great job of carrying out you know,
the Biden labeling half the country as garbage, and Mark
Cuban trying to trying to double down on that today
but this time aimed at women. Will have that as well.
(29:01):
But I want to ask you when you get back,
something weird, not scary, but weird that happened to me
this morning. Could never see it coming. You've probably never
heard of it happening.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Was it a ghost? You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
And now back to the Dan Taplass Show podcast.
Speaker 11 (29:20):
Republicans have been registered voters in big, huge numbers. They
have been gaining in party registration versus the Democrats in
the swing states with party registration.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
We're talking Arizona.
Speaker 11 (29:31):
I think it's a five point they've expanded their lead
from five points from where it was back in twenty twenty.
How about Nevada, Big Republican registrations there, they liked.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
The early vote.
Speaker 11 (29:39):
How about North Carolina, big Republican registration games.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
How about Pennsylvania. We spoke about it before a few
months ago.
Speaker 11 (29:45):
Big Republican party registration games versus from where they were
four years ago. So Republicans are putting more Republicans in
the electorate. The Democratic number versus the Republican number has shrunk.
And so the bottom line is if Republicans win, come
next week, Donald Trump wins comes next week, the signs
all along will have been obvious. We would look at
the right direction being very low, Joe Biden's approval rating
(30:07):
being very low, and republic things really registering numbers.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
You can't say you weren't warned. And that's CNN. Glad
you're here.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Let me go to the phone lines, back to the text.
And this really amazing time to be alive. Right, Obviously
you're into this stuff. You're listening to a show like this,
but there's never been a moment like this. I do
don't want to throw this out here real quick. Do
you think this was a ghost or is there some
mechanical explanation. It's just something I never would have seen coming,
(30:36):
and I wouldn't even mention it if it wasn't for Halloween.
But okay, so this morning I'm getting.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Ready to leave.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Every day I go to breakfast at snooze on my
way into the office.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
It's just a.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Great daily tradition. So I'm backing out of my parking space.
Every time I put it in reverse, the trunk opens,
because I have a hatchback right SUV. Every single time
I put it into reverse, the trunk opens. Now I've
got to leave to go down to Colorado Springs to
visit a couple of great clients of mine. But every
(31:10):
time I put it in reverse, the trunk opens. Happened
nine straight times before I said I don't have time
for this. I just put it in reverse, let the
trunk open, backed it out, closed the trunk, and then
didn't reverse.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Again, just kept going straight.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
So Ryan on Halloween, is that a ghost having some
fun or how do you otherwise explain that?
Speaker 10 (31:34):
The timing of it is what throws everything into question.
I think any other day you're thinking it's some kind
of what would you be thinking?
Speaker 5 (31:41):
It's so odd?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I've never heard or seen.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
And I've had some very bad cars over the years,
you know, cars that got pushed more than they got driven.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
But this is a really good car, as it would be.
Speaker 10 (31:54):
But every time you put in reverse that inside with
the trunk, oh, it.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Was Yeah, their connection was clear.
Speaker 10 (32:00):
That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, yeah, hard
to explain.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah, And then later in the day it stopped. So
I'm just wondering if it was just a ghost having
some food.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Jim in Denver. You're on the Dan Kapla show. You
could be a friendly ghost.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Yeah, hey, Jim, Dan, how are you doing.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
I'm living the.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Dream, my friend. How about you? You ready for that
big Trump victory? You got the champagne.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
I honestly think Kamala is going to pull it out. Wow,
we'll see. I mean pretty much. It's a top you had, Harry.
I think you had Harry Antono. I was that Harry.
But he also put out another thing that said, fifteen
out of the last sixteen elections, the candidate with the
(32:47):
highest favorability rating one so and Kamala has that right now.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Well, and the one way that didn't happen was twenty
sixteen with Trump.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, who was up.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Against much better candidate than Kamala Harris, Okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
No, but I'm just saying you know that.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I mean, listen, nothing's guaranteed. We've said all along, right,
there's one. Oh, yeah, you want to talk about something else,
go for it.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I do, and thank you. You know I'm a liberal Democrat.
I listened to a lot of what Trump says, and
I'm really alarmed at the things that I hear him
saying that campaign stop after campaign stop. He's making the
same reckless accusations that motivated the attack on the Congress
(33:36):
four years ago. He's saying, you know that twenty twenty
was stolen, and he's saying that the only way the
Democrats can win is if there's is if they steal it.
And he says they cheat, and they cheat, and they cheat,
and I think he's sowing seeds. I mean, I can't
(33:57):
believe he's doing this, after seeing the violence that the
accusations caused last time, that he's throwing out the same
seeds to his followers.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Let me ask you this, to let me ask you this,
my friend.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
If let's say, if in fact, an election was rigged,
and you know, I've said repeatedly on the show, I've
not seen proof to convince me that there was enough
fraud to overturn the election, But if an election was rigged,
you would agree that a candidate should be talking about
(34:32):
that and should be saying, hey, the election was rigged
and we need to make sure we have a clean election.
You would not disagree with that right, I agree on
and Donald Trump, I think truly believes to his cores
that that election was stolen. And I think he truly
(34:53):
believes that. Now, as you know, Jim, when we talk
about different ways to rig an election, I think the
media rigged that election by burying the Hunter Biden Joe
Biden corruption story. And I think that's one way to
rig an election, and I think the media did that. Hey,
I don't want to cut you off. We have Wayne
Williams coming up, the former Secretary of State at five
(35:15):
six to talk about this big, big, big problem in
the secretary of State's office. Jim hold On, we'd love
to get you back later on the show and continue
the conversation on The Dan Kapli Show.
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