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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to
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being here on this glorious afternoon. Hard to believe Christmas
is so close now, right, Probably need another big snow
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before we start to feel it. Might be a few
flakes in the Denver metro at least on Monday, but
but no big storm on the horizon.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hey. Score one for the every.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Vote matters crowd. We all always say that, right, and
Colplorado HD sixteen, Thank God for this one. Republican wins
by a single household three votes. It is now official.
So if we had a one vote race like that movie,
that Kevin Costner movie.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, swing vote. You always mentioned that movie, Yeah, yeah,
great movie. This race, Dan, it was a six vote
margin and then upon recount down to three.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
As a Republican ever won one of these races that's
decided a month after election date, maybe before this one.
I mean, it seems like everywhere in America where the
county kind kind of continues beyond three weeks.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yes, there's only one example, Dan I can cite in
recent years. I think it happened in a congressional district
in North Carolina where there was some ballot fraud or
something like that by a Republican candidate, and they redid
the election entirely. But other than that, Yeah, the longer
it goes, the more votes that they're counted, the so
called provisional votes where we caught month later in New
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York or California.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
It always goes left and blue.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, and hey, a lot of stuff we want to
cover today. In this first segment. I do want to
get to the latest on the CEO murder because it
may underline may because this could be at this point
a smoke screen. The evidence that was left behind by
the murder may be a smoke screen, a misdirection play.
But I'll get to that in a second because it
goes to the broader topic. I was talking about a
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couple of days ago of the thin veneer of civilization,
not in original phrase, but a pretty crucial concept when
you stop and think about it. I'm not trying to
be negative, you know me, I hope you know me.
It's I am probably the biggest optimist in town. But
you also have to be realistic about the fact that
all these things that seem so stable, etc. Could all
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go away very very quickly, and I think being aware
of that just helps us avoid it. But let me
just do that topic now that I've teased it. You know,
the other day we were talking about how you had
this big fight at the end of the Michigan Ohio
State game when Michigan, which had pulled a big upset,
you know, then plants its flag at midfield and the
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Ohio State team went after the Michigan guys, and I
personally do not blame the Ohio State guys at all anyway.
So you have that big fight, and this is a
real fight. This is not the usual sports fight. This
is one of those where police had pepper spray people,
et cetera. And then all of a sudden, from that
moment on, over the course of the weekend, you saw
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a bunch of huge fights like this in college football,
real fights, which is not normal. So that just goes
back to the whole copycat, the wol green lighting, the
whole sinn veneer of civilization. That that that okay, once
it starts to break down. Then others see that, then
they start to all of the sudden disregard basic societal norms.
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And so that that's what brings me back to, you know,
the killing of this CEO. And listen, as we sit
here right now, if I had to betch you my
car on the motive of whoever was behind this, and
I'd say the assassin, But as we know, it might
be one person, it might be a group of people,
and that just happened to be the point. It could
be a hired gun. But whatever right now, and this
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sound I play will just reiterate it. You know, there
there's this reporting that the casings, you know, had the
words uh, deny, defend, and depose, and it's the CEO
who got murdered. Was the CEO of the isn't it
the biggest might be the second or third biggest healthcare
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company in America, you know, at United at that point,
you know, obviously the belief is that this was somebody
disgruntled over a denied claim healthtensure denied claim. Well maybe,
and let's dig into this story a little bit, but
that could also be a misdirection play, right, could have
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another motive and just put this on the ca SNES
to try to mislead investigators.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
But let's get the latest.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Major new clues in the hunt for a killer in
New York City, now at large for almost exactly twenty
four hours. This morning, ABC News reports the words deny, defend,
and depose were found on shell casings right where United
Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson was gummed down. So there are
also a series of new images of the suspect. The
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photo obtained by The Washington Post appears to show him
leaving a subway station thirty minutes prior. The New York
Times has a new video that appears to show him
on the phone near the scene, arriving only about ten
minutes before. The clearest image of him was taken at
a Starbucks where he bought energy bars and water. Police
have recovered a cell phone and a water bottle, and
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they say the video of the actual shooting shows that
they are dealing with an experienced marksman. So as the
possible motive. Overnight, Thompson's widow told NBC quote, I don't
know details. I just know that he said there were
some people that had been threatening him.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah, So as we talked about yesterday on the show. Obviously,
this killer wanted to be identified, and either one is
either dead or wants to be caught, right, I mean,
nobody could possibly be that sloppy, And I know there's
a little disconnect there between. Well, appears to be an
experienced marksman, but you're planning something heinous like this, and
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he seemed to go out of his way to make
sure he was caught on camera with part of his
face showing, then all of his face showing. Then he
leaves the water bottle behind with a fingerprint. Give me
a break. So just factor that into your analysis, as
you know, you try to figure out who did this
and why. But this business about deny, defend, depose. That
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is the title of a book, or at least those
three words were used in the title of a book
back in twenty ten that dealt with insurance companies denying
claims and how you could try to combat that. And
so it's also very similar to the phrase, you know, delay, deny, defend,
which is often used in reference to insurance companies that
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are not paying claims. But the reason I linked this
back to this, this concept of the thin veneer of
civilization is one of the great blessings of America, right,
is that we have our court system so we can
settle our different and is peacefully.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And it has been a.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Big part, you know, of America being able to last
and to thrive the way we have because a lot
of people have very legitimate gripes.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
In this area.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Hits close to home because I'm dealing with you know,
difficult insurance carriers every day in my practice, which is
representing badly injured victims, and I've been to trial in
a bad faith case as well, so I get where
a lot of this upset and anger can come from.
At the same time, this just comes back to, right,
We're blessed with this court system. That's how we go
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resolve our differences. So if and I underline, if that
that was the motive behind this killing, you know, the
denial of a claim, et cetera, it's just, I don't
want to overstated, but it's a threat to our stability.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
As a nation.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
We've just got to resolve our differences peacefully, not go
outside the system like that.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
But I'm not at all convinced at.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
This point on that clue alone, that that was the
motive because the clue is so obvious, right, So it's
going to be that obvious for one of two reasons,
either because that was the motive or because it's meant
as misdirections.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So we'll continue to follow that story.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
If you have any thoughts on it, just text us
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text or Dan. I was thinking the same thing about
potential misdirection. You're the first person I've heard mention this,
But everything seems intentionally sloppy. Yeah, Texter, you're right, coming
back to the fact that obviously this killer wanted to
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be identified. Why why would the shooter want to be identified? Now,
at least my first thought goes to he's dead, you know,
he's taking his own life. It doesn't matter to him
that he's going to be identified. And then he wants
to be known for this crime. It's one possibility. The
other two or he wants to be known for the
crime and intends to be captured but not dead. Yeah,
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and then you know that you get into some other
possibilities as well. I mean, you know, it could be
a situation where he's being used by others to commit
the killing, etc. But we will know soon, right, We're
going to know very very soon who he is and
if he is alive, I imagine he'll be apprehended soon,
and maybe that scenario where he wants to be apprehended
and then tell his story. So look for your thoughts
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on that. Hey, much more to talk about today locally
and nationally. I want to get into. We have got
to follow up on this really important US Supreme Court
hearing yesterday on whether a state can protect kids from
being damaged the way that a lot of these transgender
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so called gender affirming care, which is really the opposite treatments,
do And we've got to follow up on that. I
think for a few reasons. The legal piece of it
is just fascinating, but then also you have the broader
societal piece. And I do think there's as part of
this see change in America that I believe we're seeing
since the election of Donald Trump. I think a big
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part of that is now America is saying the spell
is broken. This was madness. How in the world did
we ever go so far down this road of saying
any man with a penis if he calls himself a
woman can walk into a girl's bathroom stuff like that.
I think there's been an enormous awakening in America, which
I don't think is creating any individual animosity toward people
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who happen to be trans, not at all. But I
think it's causing Americans to say, these laws, these policies
that allow women to be abused this way, their private
space is stripped away, they're sports stripped away. Now we're
going to end that madness. Now you're on the Dan
Capla Show.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Benning, I think the.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
Greatest gift of my life is to have kids, and
to have a trendschild has made me so much more interesting.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Oh my lord, And you wonder because my heart breaks
for each and every one of these transgender kids, and
you just wonder how each of them got there, right,
And I mean, I know, you know, I know some
folks with transgender kids, and they're awesome parents and everything else,
and the last thing they'd ever do is try to
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lead the kid into that because it's a very sad
and difficult space. But I don't doubt that there are
some parents out there who, oh, oh this is so
cool or chic or will make me cool with my
friends or whatever. I don't doubt you got some of
that going on too. But no matter how you get there,
very sad for the kid and the whole idea that
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you could go in and you could chemically damage kids
in order to make a boy or girl, or a
girl a boy. Chemically, they'll always be the gender they started.
They'll just be mutilated, whether it's chemically, surgically, whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
The fact that you can go in and do it.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Without the child's consent because the child's not capable of consenting,
it's madness. It's sheer madness. And it's going to be
a case study someday, not too long from now, because
you can look back in American history. You can human
history for sure, but American history, and you can see
how the greatest nation in the history of the world
had some moments of sheer madness where it just doesn't
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make any sense. It's like total insanity. And obviously we
look at the horrors of slavery that way. Now that
the cruelness and barbarity of women not being able to
vote very very soon, and I think it's already started, abortion.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Will be viewed that way.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
So It's just one of these realities that even really smart, logical,
otherwise stable people or nations can have these moments, these phases,
these errors of madness, these blind spots, and it's not
going to be long before his store hands. Look at
this very weird phase in American and Ryan, where would
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your ground zero this? I mean, I kind of bring
it back to and I'm no epidemiologist on this, but
I bring it back to the election of Joe Biden
and when he made this bizarrely far left swing, which
I personally believe can't prove it was just extortion.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Was just the left. They had him.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
He's corrupt, Hunter's corrupt. They had all the evidence, and
Biden had a dance to their tuner. They were going
to green light the corruption stories and because they had
protected him from that just before the twenty twenty election.
But I think that's when this really rocketed in America
and became one of Joe Biden's pet causes. So I
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think there is so much good starting to happen in America,
and a big, big chunk of that is going to be,
you know, just ending this transcenity, and again with no
disrespect to individual trans people, and I don't believe there
will be. I don't think Americans have any kind of
animosity toward individual trans and shouldn't. I think it's it's
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about these crazy policies. Height five five for five A
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three nine. One thing that I don't understand I appreciate
help with, and particularly maybe starting with the female listeners
and lefty female listeners. How in the world did women
ever stand for this? How in the world did women
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ever stand for the left coming in and saying you're
now subservient to men who put on address? Why did
women ever put up with that? It's so flagrantly anti woman,
with such obvious real world effects, losing your private spaces,
losing your sports.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Why and how did women ever put up with that?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
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to some more sound of the day. I want to
throw this out there for you right now, because I
wouldn't say I'm very concerned, but I'm perturbed that we
don't have an acquittal yet in the Daniel case, because
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he's so clearly innocent, it's so clearly a politically motivated prosecution.
A conviction which I do not expect, would be very,
very bad for the justice system. Even a hung jury,
you know what, would shake faith in the justice system,
I think, and Alan Dershowitz nailed it here well.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
The villain of this case is Bragged, the district attorney.
He never should have brought this case. The judge should
never have allowed it to get to the jury.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
There is so much.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
Reasonable doubt here.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
I was worried when the jury.
Speaker 7 (15:45):
Didn't come back after two hours of deliberation. I suspect
there may be one or two people who have some doubts,
but it would be shocking to me if there were
a conviction in this case. And if there were a conviction,
I think it would be reversed on appeal. This is
a case that never should have been brought. This is
a case that would never have been brought had the
alleged victim not been black. This is a case which
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was brought as the result of protests on the street,
not a fair application of the law. And I believe
that ethics committees should be looking into District Attorney Bragg
relating to his decision to bring this case.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
His decision to bring the.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Trump case, he has become a danger to the rule
of law in America.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Dershowitz just now is that he has become so valuable
in America for that kind of analysis. Did I ever
tell you that hilarious Dirst story, Ryan, Did I ever
tell you that one.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
When we were in court together. Yeah, he was flirting
with somebody.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Oh yeah, that thirty second version. And it was Mike
Tyson had just been convicted. I was covering that trial
for the network. And now there's an emergency appeal brought
in Indiana and that appellate court, I can't remember if
it was the appellate Court or Supreme Court is sat
in the state capitol. So this incredibly ornate, big beautiful
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courtroom in the state capitol. And I was single at
the time, had not met my amazing wife yet, and
so during the course of the trial, I'd met this
really wonderful young lady who also happened to be a
clerk for that appellate court in Indiana. So she's sitting
up there on the bench next to the judges on
a lower tier and Dershowitz is standing up and he's
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arguing to the court, and I'm sitting in the with
the press behind Dershowitz, and so we had plans to
go get a Coca cola or something that night. So well,
Dershowitz is our time. You know, She's kind of winking
at me or this or that, and I'm acknowledging and
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we're just kind of going back and forth ourselves and
then dershe apparently thinks that she's winking at him, and
so that became pretty hilarious.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
But all's well, that ends well, not for dirsh.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Eight five five forour zero five eight two five to
five the number, but heck of a lawyer, and he's
been a great guest over the years. We've got to
get him back on I remember, I'm trying to remember
Ryan what we were fighting about, because we'd agree on
plenty of stuff, disagree on others, but we were fighting
about something and it got so good that they blew
out a full hour of spots and we just went
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at it for an hour. But just one of the
cool things about him, he won't duck anybody. And I'm
just so glad he's out there right now speaking the
truth on Daniel Penny and Trump and so many of
these other things and standing up to power standing up
to the left for which he has paid a very
serious price. He's really suffered greatly for speaking truth to power. Hey,
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when we come back, I want to talk about friends
at DPD. No now getting a robotic dog something you
may want to consider. I don't know, maybe you wouldn't
like that.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I'll bring you the.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Latest on the CEO murder and what's really behind it. Evidence.
Obviously they'll soon have this guy if he's still alive.
You're on the Dan Kaplas Show.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
You're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 8 (19:11):
Fresh Nightmare Fuel to report. Tonight, Denver Police have a
new robot dog.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Don't worry.
Speaker 8 (19:17):
They say the dog won't have weapons. It could, it's
got a little grabby arm thing, but they say that
it won't. Dpd's robot dog is a step up the
Dystopian terror scale because, unlike the current bomb squad, robot
five Oho fiight Oh can climb stairs, open doors, step
over obstacles, even pick itself up if it falls over
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or is pushed by a civilian fleeing in terror. DPD
says Robocanine will be used to search buildings, remove explosives,
and check for hazmat situations also used to steal your lunch.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
A word of advice.
Speaker 8 (19:52):
If you see the police robot dog, obey.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, robodog, Erry, glad to hear it. How long do
you think it'll be before?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
For so much of this is done by, say, drones,
I mean when we talk about open battlefield stuff, as
well as hopefully giving some more protection to our local
law enforcement, you know, whether it's robotic dogs or whatever
version of that. So I think a very positive step
in the right direction. Obviously you'll never be able to eliminate,
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nor should you the human element, but anything we can
do to give more cover to law enforcement, I think
is going to be a big blessing for society as
a whole, because guess what, all this lefty hate of
law enforcement it is endangering all of us. First, it's
fundamentally unfair to the great men and women in blue
in all of these different branches and divisions and varieties.
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But then it also endangers us right makes it harder
to get and keep the real good people. And then
it's very very hard for folks in law enforcement to
lean forward and be proactive and trust instincts when they
know that the people in power, don't have their backs
dangerous time, but happy to see rowbot dog eight five
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I would certainly never want to replace ours. It's it
is amazing. We should do a show on dogs someday, Ryan, Absolutely, yeah, yeah,
now it's I mean because it right, obviously they're not human.
Humans are far far superior to dogs, et cetera. But
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but definitely, you know, the love, and we get so
attached and is there an amount that is too much
to spend on a dog? I'd love to throw that
out there, you know, because we all know, we all
know people who go through a night a good friend
who was going through it the other night where you
know this friend there they're dog, beloved dog over ten
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years old, really can't see well anymore, et cetera, but
needed a surgery, you know, to clear its stomach, and
then was having complications. And the friend then face the
issue of really enormous VET bills to try to keep
the dog alive. But we do become so attached, very
very hard to say no to that. And I'm the
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same way, But can we justify that.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Well, this is where I struggled, because I know there
is such a thing as pet insurance, right that you
could pay into, but I've never heard anything really good
or a validation or endorsement of that, because I've heard
about these outrageous vet bills and if you don't have
any insurance, well then you're paying out a pocket several
thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
And I'm not here to tell anybody.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
You love your pet, you want to do whatever you
can to save your pet, but you got to do
the cost benefit analysis of the quality of life. And
I think with a pet, it's a little bit different
than a human.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Speak one, do you need that?
Speaker 9 (22:49):
So I work on the Martino Show, yes, and we
have had many on vet insurance and all of that.
But we did have a complaint on a robot dog
that was six thousand.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Dollars because called the bathroom everywhere.
Speaker 9 (23:11):
The gentleman could not afford or he was disabled, and
so he bought this six thousand dollars dog.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
And robot dog.
Speaker 9 (23:23):
It was a robot dog, that's okay, And his big
complaint was that the eyes wouldn't change color. So so
just putting it out there for you.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
For a good day. Yeah, it's a good day.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Hey, listen, we get all calls. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
No, the that insurance thing I cannot speak to intelligently.
I would just say insurance in general, any kind of
specialty insurance. Really read the fine print, right, because obviously
it's not worth anything if you can't get claims paid
and what are the exclusions. Definitely read the fine print
on the exclusions. But yeah, and one of the saddest knights,
not to be a downer, but one of the saddest
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nights I've ever spent in my life is we were
afraid that our beloved dog, Kelly was going to die
of poisoning. And so we were over outside the vet's office,
a big vet hospital, and we're keeping an overnight vigil,
not all night, but much of the night, and we're
parked out in the parking lot and ryan all over
the parking lot were these families, and you could tell
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a lot of the families probably didn't have a whole
lot of money, and they were out in the parking
lot and the kids were just crying and bawling their eyes.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Out, And you know, you pick up these details.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
You talk to people this and that, where their dog's
dying and the dog can be saved, but the surgery
or whatever they have to do for the dog or
the cat is going to cost more than the family
can afford. And that just has to be one of
the worst positions imaginable. And I know on an infinitely
more important level that happens in some human situation.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Well, I was just gonna ask about that, because you know,
pets are important. I'm a big dog guy. But you
have charities like Saint Jude's for instance, wonderful charity and
they do surgeries and especially for children with cancer that yeah,
families can't afford it, but you donate to this charity.
I got to imagine there's a charity for animals in
that regard for families that struggle financially.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Great question, you would, sure think. So, I don't know
the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
All I know is there were a whole bunch of
families and a whole bunch of kids in the in
the parking lot just that one night outside the animal
hospital who who were going through something truly awful there. So,
if such a thing existed, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
It was a double today sure should I mean, yeah,
maybe that's an idea right there.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, and then of course you bump into the you know,
this kind of ongoing moral issue over how much morally
can you spend on pets, you know, when you've got
people starving all over the world. Now, obviously I would
think same for anybody listening if you walk in our house.
Our pets are more than animals. They're not humans, but
they're They're just a big part of the family. And
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I'd be a liar if I tried to say to
you that that I've ever said no to an expense
for one of our animals. Like when that kyote took tests, oh,
you know tests. Her brain must be the size of
a pee, and she may be the smartest creature on
the planet. She probably weighs five pounds and is the
only dog I ever have ever met who survived a
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coyote attack.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Kyot took her about a block.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Fortunately, Amos, the neighbor dog, saw it happen, chased down
the kyo, jumped on the coyote free tests.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
And have you rewarded Amos enough for that?
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Like?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
They never as reward Amos too much for that? But yeah,
what five six grand later in vet bills? You know,
tests is out looking for a fight with that coyote again.
But then you get into the you know, can you
morally justify that when you've got people starving around the world,
are humans who can't get medical care?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Well, it's a question.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Is the start of this whole thing? And I know
people there's these designer breeds. They want a certain kind
of doodle or woodle or whatever, you know, the Bernese
Mountain dog. And there's several thousand dollars, and there's so
many perfectly fine, healthy dogs. Some of them are in
original breeds that you can get at a shelter or
humane society, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
And I think adopting one from there might be a
better start.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Usually, yeah, and any all sorts of good interesting questions. Anyway,
the reason we got off on that, if you just
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When we come back, we'll give you the latest on
the CEO murder and the clue left at the scene
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in terms of the writing on the casings.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Is it misdirection? You're on the dan capla Show.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
And I've got this theory that vast majority of Americans,
which is just the way they're wired, and they crave unity,
that they crave less polarized nation, a much more happy
and united nation. And how do we get there? Not
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trying to be all cosmic, but we're in a moment now,
and I don't think that many people in human history,
let alone American history, have been alive in one of
those truly positively transformative moments. And I really think we're
living in one right now. And yeah, the election of
Donald Trump for a second term is the major trigger,
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but I think it's a moment that is going to
go way beyond that if the momentum continues. So I
think it's a good time to ask that question would
that take? What would it take for America to become
a lot less polarized. I think that's already happened with
the election of Donald Trump. I think the act of
electing Donald Trump, particularly with those three twelve and narrow
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but still popular vote when I think that was a
big step. But I think a lot more has happened
since that. We've talked about on the show. But what
do you think it would take, maybe over the course
of five or ten years, for the nation to become
much less polarized eight five five for zero five A
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Speaker 2 (29:24):
How about Colorado? You know what would that take in Colorado?
What would that look like?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Castle Rock, by the way, Denver post story Declare's support
offers law enforcement back up for Trump's deportation plans. Castle
Rock will support any and all immigration policies and deportation
efforts from President Elecdonnald Trump's administration, including offering up the
town's police officers for assistance. So I expect we'll see
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a lot more of that, you know, from individual jurisdictions.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I think Castle Rock was a direct reaction to lawless
Mike promising to come out and use the police to
take on federal law enforcement at the county line. But
hopefully we'll see a lot more of that. And it
goes back to this basic premise, right that good arises
out of evil because good's fighting back against evil. It's
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just kind of the basic nature of things. And yeah,
so good to see that positivity. I don't see a
lot of jurisdictions in Colorado following lawless Mike's lead and
promising insurrection. So that's another positive, Dan. I love dogs,
loved and dearly. I've had three yellow Labs that I've
been lucky enough to hunt with over the last forty years.
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But honestly, twelve dollars is the limit. I don't know
what you can get for twelve dollars for dogs anymore. Dan,
I've known several individuals who are transsexual, worked with them
as well. They are no longer comfortable openly being who
they are because of the attitude that has now developed
towards them as a result of the Left constantly pushing
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an agenda that they never want in the first place.
At from Jim Boy, that rings so true to me.
I mean, I don't know enough transgender people to be
able to speak credibly to it, but my bet would
be that probably the vast majority of transgender folks don't
want this crazy agenda. They don't want to be walking
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into girls' bathrooms and things like that. But you've got
the Left and you've got the Democratic Party that's pushing
this craziness, and I bet it is making life difficult
for an awful lot of transgender folks who you know,
that has to be a tough sled, right, and they're
just trying to get through their lives. And now the
left is in a way using them, and I'm sure
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some are using them, and.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
That very movement.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Dan, Why would any doctor do surgery for someone less
than eighteen years old where the patient will have major issues, infections,
smell around, journating, which has done many times a day
for the rest of their life. That from Alexa what
a great question, goes back to, well, well, let's start
with this one, okay, and then I want to treat
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an abortion doctors separately, because you still come back to
that point that except for the most incredibly rare and
these are very, very very rare circumstances where the life
of the mother depends on a procedure which is not
intended to kill the child, but kills the child as
a result. But why would anybody blessed with the mind
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and the skills and the ability to become a doctor,
why would they choose to use their skills to intentionally
end human life. I don't get that because to me,
you know, one of the greatest things any of us
can do as humans is in.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Whatever way we're given the ability to do it.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
If we can relieve suffering, I think that that's one
of the highest callings, the most noble things any of
us can ever do.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
And it can be done in different ways.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
But a doctor who has those tremendous skills and has
been given this god given ability to relieve suffering, why
would any choose to spend their life instead intentionally killing.
I've just never understood that. Now you go to this
separate topic of that Alexa raises here. I don't get it, Ryan,
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Why do you think any doctor what would ever devote
their prodigious skills to doing that kids? They know it
can't consent?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Right, Well, it's the first tenet of the Hippocratic oath. Yeah,
no harm. Yeah, that's doing harm.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Now, there might be some kind of convoluted notion in
a doctor's mind, if they're inculcated in certain echo chambers,
that they're.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Actually doing the opposite and helping this child. But all
the science getic evidence points otherwise.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
As alexis cited, there are lifelong medical problems, complications, and
also they would have to continue on these hormones for
the rest of their lives because they wouldn't naturally produce
testosterone or estrogen.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
But the other thing is, you know that these kids
can't consent. No, they're not capable of consent. They're not
mentally well. Eh, yes, I just don't understand that.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
I do not.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Maybe somebody out there has an explanation.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
If you're a doctor who does this stuff, please give
us a call eight five to five for zero five
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Speaker 2 (34:21):
Through nine Dan.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Where are all the leftist women's groups like now on
men and women's sports and in formerly private places? Yeah,
that's what we were talking about earlier. It's you know,
most things that we end up talking about on air
and analyzing and all that, I think I can gain
a pretty good understanding of, or at least I believe
I've got it figured out. But this one I can't
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even begin to understand. How did all these women on
the left just roll over, just absolutely take a knee
and allow these men to come in and invade their
private spaces and invade their sports. I have never understood that.
I understand that if women are on the left, then
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they want their political party to win, But how did
it ever get to the point that these women's activist
groups put their political party ahead of the health and
safety of their daughters. You know, how did it ever
get to that point? But I'm a big believer Ryan,
that this last election broke the spell on a lot
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of things, and that Americans now a lot more can
see clearly on these issues, a lot saw clearly all along,
but never felt they could speak the truth on it.
But the election of Donald Trumpet's like it has freed
so many Americans, and not just Republicans obviously, way beyond Republicans.
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You have more textures on this. How in the world
did women ever accept being subservient to men in dresses?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, it just really kind of temporary insanity.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Hey, when we come back, I do want to give
you an update right after the top on that'll go
deeper than the network news on the CEO killing. The
clues that have been left behind are the intentional misdirection?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Is the motive? Otherwise you're on the Dan Kaplis Show.
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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is so close now, right, Probably need another big snow
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before we start to feel it. Might be a few
flakes in the Denver metro at least on Monday, but
but no big storm on the horizon.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hey. Score one for the every.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Vote matters crowd. We all always say that, right, and
Colplorado HD sixteen, Thank God for this one. Republican wins
by a single household three votes. It is now official.
So if we had a one vote race like that movie,
that Kevin Costner movie.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, swing vote. You always mentioned that movie, Yeah, yeah,
great movie. This race, Dan, it was a six vote
margin and then upon recount down to three.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
As a Republican ever won one of these races that's
decided a month after election date, maybe before this one.
I mean, it seems like everywhere in America where the
county kind kind of continues beyond three weeks.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yes, there's only one example, Dan I can cite in
recent years. I think it happened in a congressional district
in North Carolina where there was some ballot fraud or
something like that by a Republican candidate, and they redid
the election entirely. But other than that, Yeah, the longer
it goes, the more votes that they're counted, the so
called provisional votes where we caught month later in New
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York or California.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
It always goes left and blue.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, and hey, a lot of stuff we want to
cover today. In this first segment. I do want to
get to the latest on the CEO murder because it
may underline may because this could be at this point
a smoke screen. The evidence that was left behind by
the murder may be a smoke screen, a misdirection play.
But I'll get to that in a second because it
goes to the broader topic. I was talking about a
(02:01):
couple of days ago of the thin veneer of civilization,
not in original phrase, but a pretty crucial concept when
you stop and think about it. I'm not trying to
be negative, you know me, I hope you know me.
It's I am probably the biggest optimist in town. But
you also have to be realistic about the fact that
all these things that seem so stable, etc. Could all
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go away very very quickly, and I think being aware
of that just helps us avoid it. But let me
just do that topic now that I've teased it. You know,
the other day we were talking about how you had
this big fight at the end of the Michigan Ohio
State game when Michigan, which had pulled a big upset,
you know, then plants its flag at midfield and the
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Ohio State team went after the Michigan guys, and I
personally do not blame the Ohio State guys at all anyway.
So you have that big fight, and this is a
real fight. This is not the usual sports fight. This
is one of those where police had pepper spray people,
et cetera. And then all of a sudden, from that
moment on, over the course of the weekend, you saw
(03:04):
a bunch of huge fights like this in college football,
real fights, which is not normal. So that just goes
back to the whole copycat, the wol green lighting, the
whole sinn veneer of civilization. That that that okay, once
it starts to break down. Then others see that, then
they start to all of the sudden disregard basic societal norms.
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And so that that's what brings me back to, you know,
the killing of this CEO. And listen, as we sit
here right now, if I had to betch you my
car on the motive of whoever was behind this, and
I'd say the assassin, But as we know, it might
be one person, it might be a group of people,
and that just happened to be the point. It could
be a hired gun. But whatever right now, and this
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sound I play will just reiterate it. You know, there
there's this reporting that the casings, you know, had the
words uh, deny, defend, and depose, and it's the CEO
who got murdered. Was the CEO of the isn't it
the biggest might be the second or third biggest healthcare
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company in America, you know, at United at that point,
you know, obviously the belief is that this was somebody
disgruntled over a denied claim healthtensure denied claim. Well maybe,
and let's dig into this story a little bit, but
that could also be a misdirection play, right, could have
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another motive and just put this on the ca SNES
to try to mislead investigators.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
But let's get the latest.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Major new clues in the hunt for a killer in
New York City, now at large for almost exactly twenty
four hours. This morning, ABC News reports the words deny, defend,
and depose were found on shell casings right where United
Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson was gummed down. So there are
also a series of new images of the suspect. The
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photo obtained by The Washington Post appears to show him
leaving a subway station thirty minutes prior. The New York
Times has a new video that appears to show him
on the phone near the scene, arriving only about ten
minutes before. The clearest image of him was taken at
a Starbucks where he bought energy bars and water. Police
have recovered a cell phone and a water bottle, and
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they say the video of the actual shooting shows that
they are dealing with an experienced marksman. So as the
possible motive. Overnight, Thompson's widow told NBC quote, I don't
know details. I just know that he said there were
some people that had been threatening him.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah, So as we talked about yesterday on the show. Obviously,
this killer wanted to be identified, and either one is
either dead or wants to be caught, right, I mean,
nobody could possibly be that sloppy, And I know there's
a little disconnect there between. Well, appears to be an
experienced marksman, but you're planning something heinous like this, and
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he seemed to go out of his way to make
sure he was caught on camera with part of his
face showing, then all of his face showing. Then he
leaves the water bottle behind with a fingerprint. Give me
a break. So just factor that into your analysis, as
you know, you try to figure out who did this
and why. But this business about deny, defend, depose. That
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is the title of a book, or at least those
three words were used in the title of a book
back in twenty ten that dealt with insurance companies denying
claims and how you could try to combat that. And
so it's also very similar to the phrase, you know, delay, deny, defend,
which is often used in reference to insurance companies that
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are not paying claims. But the reason I linked this
back to this, this concept of the thin veneer of
civilization is one of the great blessings of America, right,
is that we have our court system so we can
settle our different and is peacefully.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And it has been a.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Big part, you know, of America being able to last
and to thrive the way we have because a lot
of people have very legitimate gripes.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
In this area.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Hits close to home because I'm dealing with you know,
difficult insurance carriers every day in my practice, which is
representing badly injured victims, and I've been to trial in
a bad faith case as well, so I get where
a lot of this upset and anger can come from.
At the same time, this just comes back to, right,
We're blessed with this court system. That's how we go
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resolve our differences. So if and I underline, if that
that was the motive behind this killing, you know, the
denial of a claim, et cetera, it's just, I don't
want to overstated, but it's a threat to our stability.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
As a nation.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
We've just got to resolve our differences peacefully, not go
outside the system like that.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
But I'm not at all convinced at.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
This point on that clue alone, that that was the
motive because the clue is so obvious, right, So it's
going to be that obvious for one of two reasons,
either because that was the motive or because it's meant
as misdirections.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So we'll continue to follow that story.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
If you have any thoughts on it, just text us
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text or Dan. I was thinking the same thing about
potential misdirection. You're the first person I've heard mention this,
But everything seems intentionally sloppy. Yeah, Texter, you're right, coming
back to the fact that obviously this killer wanted to
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be identified. Why why would the shooter want to be identified? Now,
at least my first thought goes to he's dead, you know,
he's taking his own life. It doesn't matter to him
that he's going to be identified. And then he wants
to be known for this crime. It's one possibility. The
other two or he wants to be known for the
crime and intends to be captured but not dead. Yeah,
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and then you know that you get into some other
possibilities as well. I mean, you know, it could be
a situation where he's being used by others to commit
the killing, etc. But we will know soon, right, We're
going to know very very soon who he is and
if he is alive, I imagine he'll be apprehended soon,
and maybe that scenario where he wants to be apprehended
and then tell his story. So look for your thoughts
(09:21):
on that. Hey, much more to talk about today locally
and nationally. I want to get into. We have got
to follow up on this really important US Supreme Court
hearing yesterday on whether a state can protect kids from
being damaged the way that a lot of these transgender
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so called gender affirming care, which is really the opposite treatments,
do And we've got to follow up on that. I
think for a few reasons. The legal piece of it
is just fascinating, but then also you have the broader
societal piece. And I do think there's as part of
this see change in America that I believe we're seeing
since the election of Donald Trump. I think a big
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part of that is now America is saying the spell
is broken. This was madness. How in the world did
we ever go so far down this road of saying
any man with a penis if he calls himself a
woman can walk into a girl's bathroom stuff like that.
I think there's been an enormous awakening in America, which
I don't think is creating any individual animosity toward people
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who happen to be trans, not at all. But I
think it's causing Americans to say, these laws, these policies
that allow women to be abused this way, their private
space is stripped away, they're sports stripped away. Now we're
going to end that madness. Now you're on the Dan
Capla Show.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Benning, I think the.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
Greatest gift of my life is to have kids, and
to have a trendschild has made me so much more interesting.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Oh my lord, And you wonder because my heart breaks
for each and every one of these transgender kids, and
you just wonder how each of them got there, right,
And I mean, I know, you know, I know some
folks with transgender kids, and they're awesome parents and everything else,
and the last thing they'd ever do is try to
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lead the kid into that because it's a very sad
and difficult space. But I don't doubt that there are
some parents out there who, oh, oh this is so
cool or chic or will make me cool with my
friends or whatever. I don't doubt you got some of
that going on too. But no matter how you get there,
very sad for the kid and the whole idea that
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you could go in and you could chemically damage kids
in order to make a boy or girl, or a
girl a boy. Chemically, they'll always be the gender they started.
They'll just be mutilated, whether it's chemically, surgically, whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
The fact that you can go in and do it.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Without the child's consent because the child's not capable of consenting,
it's madness. It's sheer madness. And it's going to be
a case study someday, not too long from now, because
you can look back in American history. You can human
history for sure, but American history, and you can see
how the greatest nation in the history of the world
had some moments of sheer madness where it just doesn't
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make any sense. It's like total insanity. And obviously we
look at the horrors of slavery that way. Now that
the cruelness and barbarity of women not being able to
vote very very soon, and I think it's already started, abortion.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Will be viewed that way.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
So It's just one of these realities that even really smart, logical,
otherwise stable people or nations can have these moments, these phases,
these errors of madness, these blind spots, and it's not
going to be long before his store hands. Look at
this very weird phase in American and Ryan, where would
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your ground zero this? I mean, I kind of bring
it back to and I'm no epidemiologist on this, but
I bring it back to the election of Joe Biden
and when he made this bizarrely far left swing, which
I personally believe can't prove it was just extortion.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Was just the left. They had him.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
He's corrupt, Hunter's corrupt. They had all the evidence, and
Biden had a dance to their tuner. They were going
to green light the corruption stories and because they had
protected him from that just before the twenty twenty election.
But I think that's when this really rocketed in America
and became one of Joe Biden's pet causes. So I
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think there is so much good starting to happen in America,
and a big, big chunk of that is going to be,
you know, just ending this transcenity, and again with no
disrespect to individual trans people, and I don't believe there
will be. I don't think Americans have any kind of
animosity toward individual trans and shouldn't. I think it's it's
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about these crazy policies. Height five five for five A
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three nine. One thing that I don't understand I appreciate
help with, and particularly maybe starting with the female listeners
and lefty female listeners. How in the world did women
ever stand for this? How in the world did women
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ever stand for the left coming in and saying you're
now subservient to men who put on address? Why did
women ever put up with that? It's so flagrantly anti woman,
with such obvious real world effects, losing your private spaces,
losing your sports.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Why and how did women ever put up with that?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Height five five five A two five five text d
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to some more sound of the day. I want to
throw this out there for you right now, because I
wouldn't say I'm very concerned, but I'm perturbed that we
don't have an acquittal yet in the Daniel case, because
(15:10):
he's so clearly innocent, it's so clearly a politically motivated prosecution.
A conviction which I do not expect, would be very,
very bad for the justice system. Even a hung jury,
you know what, would shake faith in the justice system,
I think, and Alan Dershowitz nailed it here well.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
The villain of this case is Bragged, the district attorney.
He never should have brought this case. The judge should
never have allowed it to get to the jury.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
There is so much.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
Reasonable doubt here.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
I was worried when the jury.
Speaker 7 (15:45):
Didn't come back after two hours of deliberation. I suspect
there may be one or two people who have some doubts,
but it would be shocking to me if there were
a conviction in this case. And if there were a conviction,
I think it would be reversed on appeal. This is
a case that never should have been brought. This is
a case that would never have been brought had the
alleged victim not been black. This is a case which
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was brought as the result of protests on the street,
not a fair application of the law. And I believe
that ethics committees should be looking into District Attorney Bragg
relating to his decision to bring this case.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
His decision to bring the.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Trump case, he has become a danger to the rule
of law in America.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Dershowitz just now is that he has become so valuable
in America for that kind of analysis. Did I ever
tell you that hilarious Dirst story, Ryan, Did I ever
tell you that one.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
When we were in court together. Yeah, he was flirting
with somebody.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Oh yeah, that thirty second version. And it was Mike
Tyson had just been convicted. I was covering that trial
for the network. And now there's an emergency appeal brought
in Indiana and that appellate court, I can't remember if
it was the appellate Court or Supreme Court is sat
in the state capitol. So this incredibly ornate, big beautiful
(17:05):
courtroom in the state capitol. And I was single at
the time, had not met my amazing wife yet, and
so during the course of the trial, I'd met this
really wonderful young lady who also happened to be a
clerk for that appellate court in Indiana. So she's sitting
up there on the bench next to the judges on
a lower tier and Dershowitz is standing up and he's
(17:28):
arguing to the court, and I'm sitting in the with
the press behind Dershowitz, and so we had plans to
go get a Coca cola or something that night. So well,
Dershowitz is our time. You know, She's kind of winking
at me or this or that, and I'm acknowledging and
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we're just kind of going back and forth ourselves and
then dershe apparently thinks that she's winking at him, and
so that became pretty hilarious.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
But all's well, that ends well, not for dirsh.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Eight five five forour zero five eight two five to
five the number, but heck of a lawyer, and he's
been a great guest over the years. We've got to
get him back on I remember, I'm trying to remember
Ryan what we were fighting about, because we'd agree on
plenty of stuff, disagree on others, but we were fighting
about something and it got so good that they blew
out a full hour of spots and we just went
(18:21):
at it for an hour. But just one of the
cool things about him, he won't duck anybody. And I'm
just so glad he's out there right now speaking the
truth on Daniel Penny and Trump and so many of
these other things and standing up to power standing up
to the left for which he has paid a very
serious price. He's really suffered greatly for speaking truth to power. Hey,
(18:43):
when we come back, I want to talk about friends
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Speaker 2 (18:54):
I'll bring you the.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Latest on the CEO murder and what's really behind it. Evidence.
Obviously they'll soon have this guy if he's still alive.
You're on the Dan Kaplas Show.
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Don't worry.
Speaker 8 (19:17):
They say the dog won't have weapons. It could, it's
got a little grabby arm thing, but they say that
it won't. Dpd's robot dog is a step up the
Dystopian terror scale because, unlike the current bomb squad, robot
five Oho fiight Oh can climb stairs, open doors, step
over obstacles, even pick itself up if it falls over
(19:37):
or is pushed by a civilian fleeing in terror. DPD
says Robocanine will be used to search buildings, remove explosives,
and check for hazmat situations also used to steal your lunch.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
A word of advice.
Speaker 8 (19:52):
If you see the police robot dog, obey.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, robodog, Erry, glad to hear it. How long do
you think it'll be before?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
For so much of this is done by, say, drones,
I mean when we talk about open battlefield stuff, as
well as hopefully giving some more protection to our local
law enforcement, you know, whether it's robotic dogs or whatever
version of that. So I think a very positive step
in the right direction. Obviously you'll never be able to eliminate,
(20:21):
nor should you the human element, but anything we can
do to give more cover to law enforcement, I think
is going to be a big blessing for society as
a whole, because guess what, all this lefty hate of
law enforcement it is endangering all of us. First, it's
fundamentally unfair to the great men and women in blue
in all of these different branches and divisions and varieties.
(20:43):
But then it also endangers us right makes it harder
to get and keep the real good people. And then
it's very very hard for folks in law enforcement to
lean forward and be proactive and trust instincts when they
know that the people in power, don't have their backs
dangerous time, but happy to see rowbot dog eight five
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five or zero five A two five five takes d
a N five seven seven three nine on the home front.
I would certainly never want to replace ours. It's it
is amazing. We should do a show on dogs someday, Ryan, Absolutely, yeah, yeah,
now it's I mean because it right, obviously they're not human.
Humans are far far superior to dogs, et cetera. But
(21:27):
but definitely, you know, the love, and we get so
attached and is there an amount that is too much
to spend on a dog? I'd love to throw that
out there, you know, because we all know, we all
know people who go through a night a good friend
who was going through it the other night where you
know this friend there they're dog, beloved dog over ten
(21:50):
years old, really can't see well anymore, et cetera, but
needed a surgery, you know, to clear its stomach, and
then was having complications. And the friend then face the
issue of really enormous VET bills to try to keep
the dog alive. But we do become so attached, very
very hard to say no to that. And I'm the
(22:11):
same way, But can we justify that.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Well, this is where I struggled, because I know there
is such a thing as pet insurance, right that you
could pay into, but I've never heard anything really good
or a validation or endorsement of that, because I've heard
about these outrageous vet bills and if you don't have
any insurance, well then you're paying out a pocket several
thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
And I'm not here to tell anybody.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
You love your pet, you want to do whatever you
can to save your pet, but you got to do
the cost benefit analysis of the quality of life. And
I think with a pet, it's a little bit different
than a human.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Speak one, do you need that?
Speaker 9 (22:49):
So I work on the Martino Show, yes, and we
have had many on vet insurance and all of that.
But we did have a complaint on a robot dog
that was six thousand.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Dollars because called the bathroom everywhere.
Speaker 9 (23:11):
The gentleman could not afford or he was disabled, and
so he bought this six thousand dollars dog.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
And robot dog.
Speaker 9 (23:23):
It was a robot dog, that's okay, And his big
complaint was that the eyes wouldn't change color. So so
just putting it out there for you.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
For a good day. Yeah, it's a good day.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Hey, listen, we get all calls. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
No, the that insurance thing I cannot speak to intelligently.
I would just say insurance in general, any kind of
specialty insurance. Really read the fine print, right, because obviously
it's not worth anything if you can't get claims paid
and what are the exclusions. Definitely read the fine print
on the exclusions. But yeah, and one of the saddest knights,
not to be a downer, but one of the saddest
(24:03):
nights I've ever spent in my life is we were
afraid that our beloved dog, Kelly was going to die
of poisoning. And so we were over outside the vet's office,
a big vet hospital, and we're keeping an overnight vigil,
not all night, but much of the night, and we're
parked out in the parking lot and ryan all over
the parking lot were these families, and you could tell
(24:28):
a lot of the families probably didn't have a whole
lot of money, and they were out in the parking
lot and the kids were just crying and bawling their eyes.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Out, And you know, you pick up these details.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
You talk to people this and that, where their dog's
dying and the dog can be saved, but the surgery
or whatever they have to do for the dog or
the cat is going to cost more than the family
can afford. And that just has to be one of
the worst positions imaginable. And I know on an infinitely
more important level that happens in some human situation.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Well, I was just gonna ask about that, because you know,
pets are important. I'm a big dog guy. But you
have charities like Saint Jude's for instance, wonderful charity and
they do surgeries and especially for children with cancer that yeah,
families can't afford it, but you donate to this charity.
I got to imagine there's a charity for animals in
that regard for families that struggle financially.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Great question, you would, sure think. So, I don't know
the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
All I know is there were a whole bunch of
families and a whole bunch of kids in the in
the parking lot just that one night outside the animal
hospital who who were going through something truly awful there. So,
if such a thing existed, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
It was a double today sure should I mean, yeah,
maybe that's an idea right there.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, and then of course you bump into the you know,
this kind of ongoing moral issue over how much morally
can you spend on pets, you know, when you've got
people starving all over the world. Now, obviously I would
think same for anybody listening if you walk in our house.
Our pets are more than animals. They're not humans, but
they're They're just a big part of the family. And
(26:02):
I'd be a liar if I tried to say to
you that that I've ever said no to an expense
for one of our animals. Like when that kyote took tests, oh,
you know tests. Her brain must be the size of
a pee, and she may be the smartest creature on
the planet. She probably weighs five pounds and is the
only dog I ever have ever met who survived a
(26:23):
coyote attack.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Kyot took her about a block.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Fortunately, Amos, the neighbor dog, saw it happen, chased down
the kyo, jumped on the coyote free tests.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
And have you rewarded Amos enough for that?
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Like?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
They never as reward Amos too much for that? But yeah,
what five six grand later in vet bills? You know,
tests is out looking for a fight with that coyote again.
But then you get into the you know, can you
morally justify that when you've got people starving around the world,
are humans who can't get medical care?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Well, it's a question.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Is the start of this whole thing? And I know
people there's these designer breeds. They want a certain kind
of doodle or woodle or whatever, you know, the Bernese
Mountain dog. And there's several thousand dollars, and there's so
many perfectly fine, healthy dogs. Some of them are in
original breeds that you can get at a shelter or
humane society, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
And I think adopting one from there might be a
better start.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Usually, yeah, and any all sorts of good interesting questions. Anyway,
the reason we got off on that, if you just
joined us is DPD now has a robodog, which is
a great thing. Eight five five four Z five A
two five five text D AN five seven seven through nine.
When we come back, we'll give you the latest on
the CEO murder and the clue left at the scene
(27:40):
in terms of the writing on the casings.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Is it misdirection? You're on the dan capla Show.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
And I've got this theory that vast majority of Americans,
which is just the way they're wired, and they crave unity,
that they crave less polarized nation, a much more happy
and united nation. And how do we get there? Not
(28:16):
trying to be all cosmic, but we're in a moment now,
and I don't think that many people in human history,
let alone American history, have been alive in one of
those truly positively transformative moments. And I really think we're
living in one right now. And yeah, the election of
Donald Trump for a second term is the major trigger,
(28:38):
but I think it's a moment that is going to
go way beyond that if the momentum continues. So I
think it's a good time to ask that question would
that take? What would it take for America to become
a lot less polarized. I think that's already happened with
the election of Donald Trump. I think the act of
electing Donald Trump, particularly with those three twelve and narrow
(29:02):
but still popular vote when I think that was a
big step. But I think a lot more has happened
since that. We've talked about on the show. But what
do you think it would take, maybe over the course
of five or ten years, for the nation to become
much less polarized eight five five for zero five A
two five to five takes d A N five seven
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seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
How about Colorado? You know what would that take in Colorado?
What would that look like?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Castle Rock, by the way, Denver post story Declare's support
offers law enforcement back up for Trump's deportation plans. Castle
Rock will support any and all immigration policies and deportation
efforts from President Elecdonnald Trump's administration, including offering up the
town's police officers for assistance. So I expect we'll see
(29:51):
a lot more of that, you know, from individual jurisdictions.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I think Castle Rock was a direct reaction to lawless
Mike promising to come out and use the police to
take on federal law enforcement at the county line. But
hopefully we'll see a lot more of that. And it
goes back to this basic premise, right that good arises
out of evil because good's fighting back against evil. It's
(30:15):
just kind of the basic nature of things. And yeah,
so good to see that positivity. I don't see a
lot of jurisdictions in Colorado following lawless Mike's lead and
promising insurrection. So that's another positive, Dan. I love dogs,
loved and dearly. I've had three yellow Labs that I've
been lucky enough to hunt with over the last forty years.
(30:38):
But honestly, twelve dollars is the limit. I don't know
what you can get for twelve dollars for dogs anymore. Dan,
I've known several individuals who are transsexual, worked with them
as well. They are no longer comfortable openly being who
they are because of the attitude that has now developed
towards them as a result of the Left constantly pushing
(30:58):
an agenda that they never want in the first place.
At from Jim Boy, that rings so true to me.
I mean, I don't know enough transgender people to be
able to speak credibly to it, but my bet would
be that probably the vast majority of transgender folks don't
want this crazy agenda. They don't want to be walking
(31:19):
into girls' bathrooms and things like that. But you've got
the Left and you've got the Democratic Party that's pushing
this craziness, and I bet it is making life difficult
for an awful lot of transgender folks who you know,
that has to be a tough sled, right, and they're
just trying to get through their lives. And now the
left is in a way using them, and I'm sure
(31:42):
some are using them, and.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
That very movement.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Dan, Why would any doctor do surgery for someone less
than eighteen years old where the patient will have major issues, infections,
smell around, journating, which has done many times a day
for the rest of their life. That from Alexa what
a great question, goes back to, well, well, let's start
with this one, okay, and then I want to treat
(32:06):
an abortion doctors separately, because you still come back to
that point that except for the most incredibly rare and
these are very, very very rare circumstances where the life
of the mother depends on a procedure which is not
intended to kill the child, but kills the child as
a result. But why would anybody blessed with the mind
(32:26):
and the skills and the ability to become a doctor,
why would they choose to use their skills to intentionally
end human life. I don't get that because to me,
you know, one of the greatest things any of us
can do as humans is in.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Whatever way we're given the ability to do it.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
If we can relieve suffering, I think that that's one
of the highest callings, the most noble things any of
us can ever do.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
And it can be done in different ways.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
But a doctor who has those tremendous skills and has
been given this god given ability to relieve suffering, why
would any choose to spend their life instead intentionally killing.
I've just never understood that. Now you go to this
separate topic of that Alexa raises here. I don't get it, Ryan,
(33:17):
Why do you think any doctor what would ever devote
their prodigious skills to doing that kids? They know it
can't consent?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Right, Well, it's the first tenet of the Hippocratic oath. Yeah,
no harm. Yeah, that's doing harm.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Now, there might be some kind of convoluted notion in
a doctor's mind, if they're inculcated in certain echo chambers,
that they're.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Actually doing the opposite and helping this child. But all
the science getic evidence points otherwise.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
As alexis cited, there are lifelong medical problems, complications, and
also they would have to continue on these hormones for
the rest of their lives because they wouldn't naturally produce
testosterone or estrogen.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
But the other thing is, you know that these kids
can't consent. No, they're not capable of consent. They're not
mentally well. Eh, yes, I just don't understand that.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
I do not.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Maybe somebody out there has an explanation.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
If you're a doctor who does this stuff, please give
us a call eight five to five for zero five
eight two five five text d An five seven seven.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Through nine Dan.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Where are all the leftist women's groups like now on
men and women's sports and in formerly private places? Yeah,
that's what we were talking about earlier. It's you know,
most things that we end up talking about on air
and analyzing and all that, I think I can gain
a pretty good understanding of, or at least I believe
I've got it figured out. But this one I can't
(34:44):
even begin to understand. How did all these women on
the left just roll over, just absolutely take a knee
and allow these men to come in and invade their
private spaces and invade their sports. I have never understood that.
I understand that if women are on the left, then
(35:04):
they want their political party to win, But how did
it ever get to the point that these women's activist
groups put their political party ahead of the health and
safety of their daughters. You know, how did it ever
get to that point? But I'm a big believer Ryan,
that this last election broke the spell on a lot
(35:25):
of things, and that Americans now a lot more can
see clearly on these issues, a lot saw clearly all along,
but never felt they could speak the truth on it.
But the election of Donald Trumpet's like it has freed
so many Americans, and not just Republicans obviously, way beyond Republicans.
(35:45):
You have more textures on this. How in the world
did women ever accept being subservient to men in dresses?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, it just really kind of temporary insanity.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Hey, when we come back, I do want to give
you an update right after the top on that'll go
deeper than the network news on the CEO killing. The
clues that have been left behind are the intentional misdirection?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Is the motive? Otherwise you're on the Dan Kaplis Show.
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