December 5, 2024 • 35 mins
In the second hour of today's edition of The Dan Caplis Show, Dan Caplis talks about the troubling precedent set by Joe Biden's decision to issue a presidential pardon to his son -- Hunter. Caplis also debates whether or not we could continue to see pardons for Biden's allies, including Liz Cheney Adam Schiff, and Anthony Fauci.
Caplis also talks about how troubling to see someone pardoned who hasn't been convicted of a crime or investigated for one.
Caplis also talks about how troubling to see someone pardoned who hasn't been convicted of a crime or investigated for one.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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to really zero in on these big, high profile crimes
and try to figure it out. It's been a phenomena
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for a long time, right, whether it's COJ Simpson trial
or any of these other examples. But this horrific execution, assassination,
whatever you want to call it, of the United Healthcare CEO,
the insurance industry CEO in New York, has captured the
nation's attention. So I want to keep you up to
the minute on that, and I know you're catching some
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headlines along the way, maybe deeper than that. I've got
a little different take on the evidence that's popped up
at this point.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
But let's do a quick review.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Of that and then a few not blockbuster but interesting
facts just in the last five minutes. Some people do
see a connection between these wars and the healthcare industry
itself exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
There was a book written with a version of this
about practices in the healthcare industry. This is if you
go online you will see numerous blogs and articles with
combinations slightly varied, but of these general three words as
critical of the healthcare insurance industry.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, and the words of course denied, defend, deposed, the
words reportedly written on the shell casings left at the scene.
So first question is is that misdirection? Is that intentional
misdirection to try to make authorities believe that the motive
here was a denied insurance claim versus some other motive.
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So that's the first question. Could it be as simple
as a denied insurance claim? Sure, but keep that misdirection
possibility in mind. Some of the other facts that have
popped up are been reported in the last few minutes.
I should say, or had been in New York for
ten days, staying at this youth hostile for apparently most
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of the time, where he roomed with two other males,
but curiously wore a mask inside the hostile. Yeah, but
I guess in New York that wouldn't raise any thoughts
or concerns or anything. So those some of the other
new clues out today. The biggest you already know of,
right is the guy allowed full face photos of himself.
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So we talked yesterday on the show about how this
person obviously wanted to be caught if he's still alive,
because even the mask he was wearing at the time
of the murder, you know, it was just half face.
And so you know why, as a texture said yesterday, okay,
why did he choose to do it outside rather than
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inside one of the odels? But why did he choose
to do it outside? But why did he want to
be identified? Why do you think he wanted to be identified?
Was it because he wants to be known for this crime,
that he has some cause, some agenda that he wants
to speak to through social media that's already up once
they identify him to the public, you know, if he's
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apprehended alive, you know, but clearly he wants to be identified,
and if he's still alive, he wants to be caught.
That's the way that he's acting. So what do you
make of all that? Eight five five for zero five
eight two five five the number? And does this have
any broader effect? Obviously just absolutely tragic for the family
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dead two sons. As I understand, it doesn't have any
broader effect if it is in fact, somebody who killed
over a denied insurance claim. You know, then that really
worries me. I mean, hey, listen, I spend pretty much
every day of my professional life fighting insurance companies for
injured people. But we've got to operate within the law,
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and that again, that's that's one of the greatest gifts
the founders gave us a way to peacefully resolve our
differences within the law in courtrooms, etc. Not resort to violence.
That's a big reason why this country has made it
so long and thrived is we have this non violent
way to pursue grievances, and so.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
You know, this kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
It just if that was the mode of an underline,
I just think it's it's an assault on American stability.
I'm not saying there's going to be a lot of copycats.
I'd pray there are none, but it's an assault on
American stability.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Let's go to some text as well.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I've got kind of an eclectic show today because it's
an eclectic time in America. I think the overarching theme
is let the celebration continue, because so many good things
are happening since Trump won, But we haven't talked about
heg Sas and that nomination. Yet today here's a little
tape of Pete Hegseth on with Megan Kelly.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
But then come the flurry of allegations about your personal life.
And I think it's admitted, at least in your divorce
proceedings that you did cheat on your first two wives.
You're on your third marriage to Jen, a former colleague
of my own at Fox and yours too. And your
hook up with this woman in Monterey happened when you
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were with Jen.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
So that's three right.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
And there are a lot of women at home and
men who will be like, it's a no right, he's
too much of a serial cheater, Like how can we
put a guy in this position who's a serial cheater?
So is that a fair characterization of you?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I'm the kidding would have been it was a fair
characterization of me before I truly was changed by Jen
and my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And I mean that, I mean people cannot believe that
if they don't want to, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Put me in that camp of people who unless something
new and big comes out about hag Sets, I want
to see him confirmed. And I'd love your take on this,
He would not have been my first choice.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
But who would have been your first choice? Oh, it
would have been DeSantis.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
If he wouldn't take it, I doubt very much you
take it if in fact Trump moves off, heg seth,
I hope it's disantus.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
But listen to Santas.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
He's been one of the greatest governors in history. Right
he's going to be starting his public presidential campaign in
two years that you know, blow the surface is operating already,
so that would seem becoming Defense secretary would really seem
to cramp his style on that. But hopefully he does
it if Trump turns to him, just for the sake
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of America.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
But heg Seth.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, it wouldn't have been my first choice. But you know,
only could talked about Trump one.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
He's entitled to his people.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
And there's a bigger issue now in play because like
with Kavanaugh, where the left just seeks these scalps, you know,
political blood sport, and it's so hypocritical and it's so
intellectually dishonest because look who they've been supporting along a
man who is severely impaired each and every day in
Joe Biden, and he's commander in chief and they actively
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support him every day. And so heg Seth has these failures.
Who doesn't have some failures? Now, fair question. I mean
as to whether somebody's trustworthy when they've cheated on three
straight wives, that's a fair question. He's got an explanation
that he found God and changed his life, and to me,
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that can be an enormously credible, credible you know, defense
in that situation. Now somebody turns up some other evidence
that shows, now I look at all this other stuff
he's still doing. But right now, my hope is that
he is confirmed for those reasons. Eight five for zero
five A two five five The number takes d an
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five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
If you're looking for something to.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Do tomorrow morning, it's unusual and extraordinarily cool, and I
bet it will be an absolutely wonderful gathering tomorrow morning,
ten thirty a m. At the corner of Kendrick Casteeleway,
that's the old lucent boulevard in Plaza drive out in
Highland's Ranch is going to be the official ceremony to
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honor one of Colorado's greatest heroes ever, Kendrick Castile And
how great, how smart to change that name loocent drive
to Kendrick Castile Way, and it's about time that we
start honoring the people who should really be honored, right,
I mean, you can't give you're new to the area.
You can't get a much bigger hero than Kendrick Castillo,
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wonderful young man from great parents who knowingly lays down
his life to save his entire classroom from being methodically executed.
That was the plan of these killers. I've had the
privilege of representing and missus Castile, and so you know,
we did more than twenty depositions.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
We got everybody in the earth. We got a bunch
of documents.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
There is no doubt the plan of these heinous killers
was to lock out the rescuers and to methodically execute
every child in that classroom and the teachers. And Kendrick
Castile stood up to stop that gave his life for it.
Some other courageous students followed him as he took on
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the shooter. But but that's what was going to happen,
one by one executed in that classroom, and he saved
him all and he gave up his life in the process.
That is the epitome of everything good. Right, It's the
epitome of a great American, it's the epitome of a
great Christian. It's the epitome of everything good. And so
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how tremendous that's going to be celebrated and memorialized, you know,
with the renaming of this street, so that ceremony tomorrow
morning at ten thirty a m.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And Colorado needs to do a lot more of that.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I've never understood this business ryan of naming all this
big stuff after politicians. I mean, politicians get plenty out
of being elected officeholders, or else they wouldn't go after it, right,
So why are we naming the stuff after them instead
of after true American heroes like Kendrick and people who've died,
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people who've died in law enforcement, people who died in
the military, heroes from other walks of life. Well, I
be naming this stuff after politicians, certain politicians, certainly, But
I would say somebody like DWYG.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
David Eisenhower, who was a legend for myriad reason or
the least of which she was the commander of the
Allied forces that delivered freedom from the Nazis and so forth.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And amen, my brother, I mean you'll have some exceptions, right,
talk about your garden variety politicians. I'm Kennedy. You know
his great work during the Cuban missile crisis. I'm talking about.
And listen, though, are politics differ I like Federico Pina,
I like him personally, but you know that boulevards should
not be named after a living former mayor, you know
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what I mean?
Speaker 5 (10:45):
But how much political grease did it take to get
that whole project done? You let's have something to do
with that.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
You have the five rus five eight two five five,
the number there was never end is?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I remember about Federico and again we disagree on major policy.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
There's never any out to hint of scandal surrounding him.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Talk at Scan, I'll talk an influence, you know what
I mean, making some promises.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, no, I can't speak to that I because I
truly don't know and it's been a long time. All
I'm saying is this big stuff. Unless it's somebody like
Dwight Eisenhower or something, it neems to be named after
these other kind of heroes in our midst You're on
the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
It's completely, uh shocking to even even write this, and
the you know, the idea of offering people who have
not been charged with any crime, there's no even hint
of committing any crimes pardons because the nature of the
incoming administration is such that they're pretty open about the
idea of pursuing a kind of third world model of
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where we come in, we go after the guys. Now,
I can hear what the Trump folks are gonna say immediately,
which is he's only doing what they did to us.
And I think, guys, that's what you'll hear next year
if the Trump folks do first new these revenge investigations
or indictments of they started laws their first they indicted
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Trump left and right. We're only keeping the same thing going.
And you can see it easily right now. Hey, guys,
that's why this debate is so serious in the White
House and why they're they're they're taking this, I think
with some measure of sobriety, even though it is an
extraordinary precedent to.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Set obviously no self awareness there for Jonathan Martin, but
really fascinating, right because when we talked about this yesterday,
this political story that Biden is considering, among other pardons,
I mean, we know he's going to pardon his brother,
right and and but among other pardons Shift and Fouche
and Liz Cheney and who knows.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Where else that goes.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
It led to this question, can somebody turn down up pardon?
So I went and did a little bit of research.
Now I didn't legally research this the way I do
my stuff in my law practice, but I did some
online stuff and it appears to be unanimous that yes,
one hundred percent, absolutely somebody can turn down a pardon.
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And so that's another reason why I so hope he
pardons all of them, because first of all, to pardon
them is to convict them, right, And I don't have
any evidence that any of those people has committed a crime.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I'm just very very upset with.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Those people for things they have done on a public
policy level that have been very damaging to this country
and causes that I hold dear. But I'm not aware
that any of them is committed a crime. But I
don't have access to the information I need to know
whether they committed a crime. But if they are pardoned,
they are convicted in the court of public opinion. That
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happens pretty much automatically. I think you'd agree. But then
you get to the fun part. Do they turn it down?
And what do you think? Well, ask doctor Fauchi. I
think he's here right now, aren't you, doctor Fauci.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
If you are offered a pub pardon only if it
prevents me from ever having to talk to Ram Paul again,
then I would accept.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Okay, Okay, I'm not sure it would get you that.
In fact, probably the opposite effect, because if you accept
a pardon, well, then at that point you don't have
any Fifth Amendment.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Immunity.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
That because you have immunity, you don't have a Fifth
Amendment right against self incriminations.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
So if you no longer have to go to the
Catholic Church because I live my life according to my
own value.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Wow, that was and I am the science and who knows.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
One of well those two Yeah, that they just say
it all, don't they. It's man, no fear of apparently,
no fear of what's to come after passing away? Right,
But yeah, So that would be the real fun part
is then all these people would have to decide whether
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to accept the pardon. And if they accepted the pardon, well,
then the American people take it to another level. In
terms of their certainty that some crime was committed. But
if they reject the pardon, that's pretty impressive. Who do
you think would accept? Who do you think would reject?
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text d An five seven seventy nine. You got Fauci,
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you got Shiff, you got Liz Cheney reportedly maybe offered pardons.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Who accepts, who rejects?
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Doesn't Adam Schiff release a statement saying there's no reason
for me to receive a pardon and he rejected the
premis al together.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, it's not rejecting the part. No, it's not.
Speaker 8 (15:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
I think let's Jenny better take it because she did
some dirty stuff.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Dan, I'm talking about the jan sixth.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Subcommittee, the texts that were deleted, the collusion and the cooperation,
the communication with and Alexa knows her named the young
lady that contested that Trump tried to grab the steering wheel,
this Secret Service officer, which was ridiculous on its face,
Benny Thompson not apparently not knowing at all what happened
to a lot of the evidence when confronted by Thomas Massey,
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the video that showed somebody discovering a bomb outside the
DNC then alerting police. Who was that person? Why do
we not know who that person is? There's so much
that went wrong with that subcommittee. It was a total sham.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, and that's where, Hey, just my forty years of
practice in law, my belief is I would need subpoena
power to get to the bottom of all that. And
I know the reporting that you're talking about, but I
wouldn't need subpoena power to really dig in and figure
out if any of those people had committed a crime.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I know the reasons.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I'm extremely upset with them and think they've caused great
harm to very important causes, But a crime, I would
need to really be able to dig in and figure
that out.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Text or Dan, are you serious?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Federico Pina was one of the most corrupt and partisan
politicians in Colorado history. Listen, and again we disagree on
the big issues. I'm not aware of any corruption on
Federico Payne part. And the reason this came up if
you just joined us, is I'm talking about why are
we naming stuff after politicians instead of, you know, like
this great thing that's being done. Kender Castile way out
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in Highland's ranch. That's the right thing to do. That's
being officially commemorated tomorrow. That's a beautiful thing. But should
we take politicians names off stuff?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
And again my point was, I'd like Federico Pina personally,
disagree with him on policy, not aware of any corruption,
but I don't think his name should be on that boulevard.
I think it should be, you know, some somebody from
everyday life who was a tremendous hero. And that can
be somebody who gave their life for US police, fire, military,
it can be somebody else, but it politicians.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Should be the last people this stuff's named after.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
You ever driven through West Virginia, Dan, I got a
real bad nominee for you.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
How about Robert C.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Byrd Highway in West Virginia?
Speaker 6 (17:56):
Cyclass.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
No, It's interesting because the left is so big on
taking names off stuff of people they don't like. But
but shouldn't just as a general rule, shouldn't we take
the politicians' names off everything? Now? And unless you're talking
at Dwight Eisenower, right or something like that, shouldn't we
just take the politician's name off? And who else would
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you name stuff after?
Speaker 6 (18:20):
But on the same stretch of highway you got kender Castille.
But then also Dave Sanders.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Oh those lines, yes, and we were probably involved in
part of that.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
But sure, but yeah, what politicians' names would you take
off things right now?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Like we have that all over Colorado right now. And
if you are going to have politicians names on stuff,
then you should have bill Owens highway sense?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Can you imagine as bad as I twenty five is
what it would look like if Bill Owens had not
pushed through that project?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Here on the Dan Kapsa show.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplas show. Podcas asked Thursday afternoon,
Dean and Arvada.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
You're on the Dan Kaplas. You'll welcome.
Speaker 9 (19:06):
Dan. Hey, I was telling about all these pardons.
Speaker 10 (19:10):
I mean, where does it stop. Could he just pardon
Jack Smith, Merrick Darland, all of the Jacksmith committee?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I mean, I mean.
Speaker 10 (19:19):
Everybody that worked on the Jack Smith case. Could they
all be pardoned? I mean, it doesn't make sense that
you can pardon someone that hasn't committed a crime.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
It seems like, oh, interesting question, Dean, yea, have the
loss well established on that?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You can?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I mean you can you can pardon somebody before, say
they're charged with the crime. Now what, let me take
that back a little bit, my friend, tech, you are correct,
you cannot pardon somebody before they commit a crime. You
can only pardon them for crimes they've already committed. But
you can pardon them before they are charged with the crime.
Speaker 9 (19:53):
So you could pardon them like without like, well, we
don't know if they're going to be charged, so we'll
just pardon them now.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
So you're pardoning somebody for all crimes committed between a
certain and within a certain time period, or you can
limit it and you can say okay, like with Hunter Biden,
you could have said, okay, he's pardoned for the two
federal client crimes that he was convicted of, but instead,
obviously Joe Biden pardons them for any federal offense he
committed from twenty fourteen forward. Wow.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
What a coincidence.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
So yeah, but it gets to your interesting pointing that
you can in fact pardon people who have not committed
any crime, but you have to pardon them up to
the present point in time. You can't pardon them for
any future crime.
Speaker 11 (20:43):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (20:44):
So I mean jacksonifs could get.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Pardoned, Oh, he could pardon anybody wants.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
But then the fun starts, right do they accept the
pardon or not? Because a pardon has to be accepted,
a pardon can be rejected.
Speaker 9 (21:00):
Oh, they're going to take those pardons. They're going to go.
I don't want to be in trouble later. I'll just
take my my, my beating.
Speaker 10 (21:06):
Uh, because Congress isn't gonna call him in, Like, why
are we going to wait time with this guy?
Speaker 9 (21:10):
He's already parted my brother.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I would bet you the biggest stake in town that
if Liz Cheney was pardoned, that she would reject that.
Speaker 10 (21:18):
Pardon and fat politics.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Well, you know, even if somebody doesn't have a future
in politics, and I don't see one for her. But uh,
but but just your reputation, your your personal pride, et cetera.
If you're sitting there and you know you have not
committed any crime and you are now offered a pardon,
you know, the second that you accept that pardon, it's
like admitting you committed a crime, no matter what you say,
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no matter how you try to cover it. So now,
on the other hand, obviously somebody has to be weighing, well,
I may be charged and then even if I'm acquitted later,
I've I've you know, spent all the money I have,
and people still think I'm guilty.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
So there's a lot to weigh.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I'm just saying, I would bet you what do you
think of those three that are being discussed in the
political story. They say that the Biden administration is thinking
about a Fauci Cheney shift. Which of those three do
you think accepts a pardon.
Speaker 9 (22:15):
Fauchi for sure, he's too old, he doesn't want to
go through anymore. Hell, so he's gonna take it. Pardon well.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
And if and I underline, if any of the three
committed a crime, I think he's the most likely to
have committed a crime. If if he did so, I
think he's the one who would need.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
To pardon most.
Speaker 9 (22:35):
Yeah, Paul's got him on a few things.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
No, he you know, I can see where he'd have
some cause for concern. I'm not going all the way
to saying that that Fauci has committed a crime, but
I think he'd be most likely.
Speaker 9 (22:47):
To take it.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, Hey, appreciate the call. Man.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
This this is so fascinating, and we know there are
going to be a bunch of other pardons, Right, Biden
is certainly pardoning his brother. And where else is all
of this going to go? And who do you think?
Who do you think crime? If anybody in this whole
cast of characters on the left is actually seeking a
preemptive pardon, I think you'd have some who turn.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
It down, maybe Fauci.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
But it gets to this point you're making it.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Can he pardon somebody ahead of not only they haven't
been convicted of a crime, they haven't been charged, they've
been investigated.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
There hasn't been interesting launched.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
So what does the pardon mean?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Well, what it means is that, yeah, you cannot be
prosecuted for any federal crime you committed during that time period.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
If the pardon has written that broadly.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Right, Yeah, that's been challengeable though in a court of law.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Constitutionally, no, Well, how can he give a blanket pardon
to Hunter Biden dating back to a specific date ten
plus years ago, almost eleven years ago.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
He could date it back to birth, Okay, yeah, but
he can.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Not any specific crimes that have been proven that have
been convicted in the court of law for which Hunter
was sentenced, which would be the tax evasion charges and
the gun charges.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Charged uncharged, which may have been committed. It's like the
power of a king.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, well, you know, and obviously we give, you know,
presidents certain vast and broad powers.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Well even Democrats who've seen Jerry Connolly, who's no conservative,
he's a pretty far left Democrat out of Virginia saying,
you know what, we need to revisit this whole presidential
pardon power and how broad it is. Kind of to
your point, I think if it's too broad, it's too
it's too much power to give one individual. I think
for specific offense. Let's say Rod big legoyeving Trump pardon
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that was for a specific crime he committee served time
for Bobby kill kill Patrick.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
The former mayor of Detroit, same thing, it.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Was some fraudulent charges, fraud charges that he had been
convicted for, and those are specific crimes.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
How would you draw that though?
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I understand the desire to rein it in, but how
would you do that without undermining the core purpose? Now,
certainly alon and it may already exist that if if
somebody takes money in exchange for a pardon, the pardons invalidate. Jeff,
that law doesn't already exist, it should, But I think
the attitude is that, hey, the political process will take
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care of that if you get somebody who's abusing it,
which is one reason I love all this rhyme because,
as I was saying down the stretch in the election, yeah,
it's so critical that Trump win, and thank god that happened.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
But even before.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Election, I was saying, but we also have to expose
the left for who they really are in order to
undermine support for the Democratic Party, and so that the
more of this, you know, I'm above the lost stuff
from Biden and the Democrats, the more Pardons, etc.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
The more it's going to hurt the Democratic.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Party and the easier for Republicans to win in the
mid terms. Let's go to beautiful Colorado Springs.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Gary. You're on the Dan Caplis Show. Thank you, hello, Dan.
Speaker 12 (25:51):
How are you today?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Good?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
But let me pass along this newest bit of news
breaking news on this New York CEO assassin, which just
can firms my initial take that he wants to be
caught and whether he's still alive or not, he wants
to be identified. The latest news breaking right now is
the picture of him when he's photographed full face, is
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when he lowered his mask to flirt with a woman
at the front.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Desk of the hostel he was staying at.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
And by the way, he traveled to New York ten
days ago on a bus from Atlanta. So what do
you make of that, Gary, What were you calling on,
my friend?
Speaker 12 (26:28):
Well, I'm calling on the naming of highways and byways
of this great country. So the week before Thanksgiving, I
was driving across this great country. Happened to be in Pennsylvania.
They came across the Joseph R. Biden Expressway and the
traffic was moving so slow. I turned to my ten
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year old granddaughter and I said, well, they appropriately named
this highway.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
That's a dead joke.
Speaker 12 (26:56):
Yeah, it is a bad joke.
Speaker 9 (26:57):
But I'll tell you what it's.
Speaker 12 (27:00):
Know, if we're ever going to get away from naming
highways after presidents, that happens.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Well, I'm okay with presidents, aren't you? What? What what?
Speaker 9 (27:08):
I'm not?
Speaker 11 (27:09):
You know?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
And again I have no beef with Federic opinion. I
liked him, disagreed on policy, but Panya Boulevards shouldn't be
named after a living former politician, not at that level,
I mean a president after he's passed away.
Speaker 12 (27:22):
Yeah, well, Dan, I think, well, President Vibes not quite
passed away.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Well yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear you. I hear you,
my friend.
Speaker 11 (27:35):
That on to you.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, thank you, Joseph or bideny way, Well, well, I
don't think any of this stuff should be named after
living politicians it and then presidents once they passed. But
I don't get it. I don't get the naming things
after local politicians. Some may be deserving, that's not my point.
(27:59):
But my point is is that there are other people
more deserving, and there are only so many things you
can name and who really works for home?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Right? I mean, none of the very very very.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Few of these people would be in politics if they
weren't getting enough personal satisfaction and reward out of it.
You know, how about just all the Americans who do
these extraordinary sacrificial things and lay down their lives for others. Yeah,
that's who we should be naming stuff after. And what
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spurred this conversation today is they're doing the right thing.
In Highlands Ranch, one of the greatest Colorado heroes in history,
Kendrick Castillo. Major Street used to be Loosing Boulevard being
named after Kendrick Castillo and the formal dedication is tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
That's the way to do it. So what do you think?
Speaker 1 (28:47):
What stuff should we be taking politicians' names off of
right now and renaming after others.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
You're on the Dan Caplas.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
Shop and now back to the Dan Kapla show podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
De Transitioning Biological Female.
Speaker 8 (29:08):
A d transitioner, and I live in Lowell, but I work,
worship and do business in Nashua, and so I'm an
active community member of the six oh three and I'm
here in support of SB two seventy two today. So,
like many children and teens today, I identified myself as
transgender for years, and when I started to feel confused
and ashamed about my developing body, I asked everyone in
my life to call me by a new name and
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use male pronouns to refer to me. So, in other words,
I went through a social transition from female to male.
Everyone in my life immediately affirmed my new identity, either
out of full support for it or just to stay
neutral and not cause any issues. The constant affirmation, both
active and passive, solidified me in my transgender identity. No
one meant to walk me into an identity that would
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later leave me broken ashamed and more confused than before.
They were really all just being nice. But the social
transition eventually wasn't enough, and I soon felt I needed
to take testosterone. That wasn't enough, I had a double missectomy,
and when that still wasn't enough, I had a total hysterectomy,
including the removal of my uterus, cervix, fallopian tubes, and
both ovaries. There's no point of contentment during a gender transition.
(30:13):
We get fleeting moments of euphoria, but ultimately one step
leads straight into the next. And I thought that in
the end I could really become a man, But all
I became was a mutilated and abused version of my
old self. Social transition is a big deal, and we're
lying when we say that any of this is reversible.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Oh man, how courageous to speak out. Mike and Bennett, Colorado.
You're on the Dan Capel Show. I got excited for
a second. I thought it said Michael Bennett, who has
dodged this show for decades.
Speaker 11 (30:40):
Thanks, thanks Dan.
Speaker 9 (30:41):
Thanks it's not Michael Bennett.
Speaker 13 (30:44):
I was going to ask you, what is the ramification
If somebody gets pardoned, you say that that admitting guilt
and if you have a House of Representative or a
senator that is admitting guilt to a crime, if they
usually remove you from your position or put enough pressure
on you to bow out, how does that work?
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, thanks for that question.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I don't mean admitting guilt in a technical legal sense.
I mean in the court of public opinion. I think
if somebody has offered a pardon and accepts it the
way the public interprets that is as an admission of guilt,
but legally no, there would be no admission of guilt,
no negative legal consequence. Now let me have one thing, Mike,
(31:29):
and this this is a little in the weeds. There
is one negative legal consequence because if you accept a pardon,
then you lose your Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination
on issues directly pertaining to some of that. So you
may be forced to testify, say some investigations, grand jury hearings,
et cetera, where you might otherwise take the Fifth.
Speaker 11 (31:52):
Okay, Well, that I was referring to Adam Sift. Yeah,
because now he's going to be a senator, right, Yes,
he takes the pardon like there'd be a lot of
pressure on him to to come to some kind of
hearing the answer for his behavior.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Boy, you would think so.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
But in California, right, you get elected as a Democrat
in California, you're just kind of electorally bulletproof. So no,
with with Adam Scheff, right, it's it'd be interesting to
see if he took it or not. But we may
soon found out, right based on what politicals are reporting.
Great questions, Mike, thank you for that. Really do appreciate it.
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If you just joined us, thank you. It's been an
amazing day. If we started out and af throughout the
show brought to the latest on.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
The CEO killer in New York.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Clearly, as we said yesterday, you know, wants to be caught,
wants to be identified at the very least, and presumably
wants to be then caught if he's still alive, you know,
because he only had half a mask on at the
time of this saint his crime, and now there's a
full face photo available because he took his mask off
at the youth hostel. He was staying to flirt with
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a clerk at the front counter stop by Starbucks for
a while before bought some you know, energy bars and
water at a Starbucks before he went and committed this
terrible killing.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
So yeah, we will know who he is very very
very soon.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
But the biggest news of the day the shellcasing is
found at the scene, you know that to deny defend
depos which would suggest that the motive was tied to
denial of an insurance claim. But that could be a
misdirection play, right because it's so obvious, or it could
be the true motive. Information CNN reporting that he wrote
(33:39):
a bus up from Atlanta ten days ago to New
York and then stayed in this youth hostel with two males,
no reporting on whether those were people he knew previously
or not.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
So that the latest drying.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
If you had to bet your young life at this
point on what the motive is here, what actually happened,
what would that be.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
I think this is an aggrieved person with delusions that
was going to take out the CEO by going straight
to the top, or a claim that he was not
able to get and he feels he got ripped off.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I think it might be as basic as that.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
You know, honestly, if you're betting the house, that's probably
from what we know now what's on the table, that's
probably a pretty smart bet. And then I think the
question becomes was it just made to look that way
to cover some other motive? Since his CEO currently under
investigation reportedly by CNN under investigation by DJ for alleged
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insider trading, was there some other motive there? You know?
I hope, I expect we will find out in the
end here what really went on there? Hey, really appreciate
the time today. Heck of a lot going on tomorrow.
Hope you're with us tomorrow at four oh six. All
Ryan tremendous job is always. Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I hope you catch Ryan show does an excellent show
in Denver two to four pm each afternoon.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Kelly Human Sunshine with us again. So grateful for that,
except for the fact we have to wear sunglasses because
she's so radiant.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
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to really zero in on these big, high profile crimes
and try to figure it out. It's been a phenomena
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for a long time, right, whether it's COJ Simpson trial
or any of these other examples. But this horrific execution, assassination,
whatever you want to call it, of the United Healthcare CEO,
the insurance industry CEO in New York, has captured the
nation's attention. So I want to keep you up to
the minute on that, and I know you're catching some
(00:44):
headlines along the way, maybe deeper than that. I've got
a little different take on the evidence that's popped up
at this point.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
But let's do a quick review.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Of that and then a few not blockbuster but interesting
facts just in the last five minutes. Some people do
see a connection between these wars and the healthcare industry
itself exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
There was a book written with a version of this
about practices in the healthcare industry. This is if you
go online you will see numerous blogs and articles with
combinations slightly varied, but of these general three words as
critical of the healthcare insurance industry.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, and the words of course denied, defend, deposed, the
words reportedly written on the shell casings left at the scene.
So first question is is that misdirection? Is that intentional
misdirection to try to make authorities believe that the motive
here was a denied insurance claim versus some other motive.
(01:44):
So that's the first question. Could it be as simple
as a denied insurance claim? Sure, but keep that misdirection
possibility in mind. Some of the other facts that have
popped up are been reported in the last few minutes.
I should say, or had been in New York for
ten days, staying at this youth hostile for apparently most
(02:06):
of the time, where he roomed with two other males,
but curiously wore a mask inside the hostile. Yeah, but
I guess in New York that wouldn't raise any thoughts
or concerns or anything. So those some of the other
new clues out today. The biggest you already know of,
right is the guy allowed full face photos of himself.
(02:26):
So we talked yesterday on the show about how this
person obviously wanted to be caught if he's still alive,
because even the mask he was wearing at the time
of the murder, you know, it was just half face.
And so you know why, as a texture said yesterday, okay,
why did he choose to do it outside rather than
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inside one of the odels? But why did he choose
to do it outside? But why did he want to
be identified? Why do you think he wanted to be identified?
Was it because he wants to be known for this crime,
that he has some cause, some agenda that he wants
to speak to through social media that's already up once
they identify him to the public, you know, if he's
(03:08):
apprehended alive, you know, but clearly he wants to be identified,
and if he's still alive, he wants to be caught.
That's the way that he's acting. So what do you
make of all that? Eight five five for zero five
eight two five five the number? And does this have
any broader effect? Obviously just absolutely tragic for the family
(03:33):
dead two sons. As I understand, it doesn't have any
broader effect if it is in fact, somebody who killed
over a denied insurance claim. You know, then that really
worries me. I mean, hey, listen, I spend pretty much
every day of my professional life fighting insurance companies for
injured people. But we've got to operate within the law,
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and that again, that's that's one of the greatest gifts
the founders gave us a way to peacefully resolve our
differences within the law in courtrooms, etc. Not resort to violence.
That's a big reason why this country has made it
so long and thrived is we have this non violent
way to pursue grievances, and so.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
You know, this kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
It just if that was the mode of an underline,
I just think it's it's an assault on American stability.
I'm not saying there's going to be a lot of copycats.
I'd pray there are none, but it's an assault on
American stability.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Let's go to some text as well.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I've got kind of an eclectic show today because it's
an eclectic time in America. I think the overarching theme
is let the celebration continue, because so many good things
are happening since Trump won, But we haven't talked about
heg Sas and that nomination. Yet today here's a little
tape of Pete Hegseth on with Megan Kelly.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
But then come the flurry of allegations about your personal life.
And I think it's admitted, at least in your divorce
proceedings that you did cheat on your first two wives.
You're on your third marriage to Jen, a former colleague
of my own at Fox and yours too. And your
hook up with this woman in Monterey happened when you
(05:12):
were with Jen.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
So that's three right.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
And there are a lot of women at home and
men who will be like, it's a no right, he's
too much of a serial cheater, Like how can we
put a guy in this position who's a serial cheater?
So is that a fair characterization of you?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I'm the kidding would have been it was a fair
characterization of me before I truly was changed by Jen
and my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And I mean that, I mean people cannot believe that
if they don't want to, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Put me in that camp of people who unless something
new and big comes out about hag Sets, I want
to see him confirmed. And I'd love your take on this,
He would not have been my first choice.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
But who would have been your first choice? Oh, it
would have been DeSantis.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
If he wouldn't take it, I doubt very much you
take it if in fact Trump moves off, heg seth,
I hope it's disantus.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
But listen to Santas.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
He's been one of the greatest governors in history. Right
he's going to be starting his public presidential campaign in
two years that you know, blow the surface is operating already,
so that would seem becoming Defense secretary would really seem
to cramp his style on that. But hopefully he does
it if Trump turns to him, just for the sake
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of America.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
But heg Seth.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, it wouldn't have been my first choice. But you know,
only could talked about Trump one.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
He's entitled to his people.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
And there's a bigger issue now in play because like
with Kavanaugh, where the left just seeks these scalps, you know,
political blood sport, and it's so hypocritical and it's so
intellectually dishonest because look who they've been supporting along a
man who is severely impaired each and every day in
Joe Biden, and he's commander in chief and they actively
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support him every day. And so heg Seth has these failures.
Who doesn't have some failures? Now, fair question. I mean
as to whether somebody's trustworthy when they've cheated on three
straight wives, that's a fair question. He's got an explanation
that he found God and changed his life, and to me,
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that can be an enormously credible, credible you know, defense
in that situation. Now somebody turns up some other evidence
that shows, now I look at all this other stuff
he's still doing. But right now, my hope is that
he is confirmed for those reasons. Eight five for zero
five A two five five The number takes d an
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five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
If you're looking for something to.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Do tomorrow morning, it's unusual and extraordinarily cool, and I
bet it will be an absolutely wonderful gathering tomorrow morning,
ten thirty a m. At the corner of Kendrick Casteeleway,
that's the old lucent boulevard in Plaza drive out in
Highland's Ranch is going to be the official ceremony to
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honor one of Colorado's greatest heroes ever, Kendrick Castile And
how great, how smart to change that name loocent drive
to Kendrick Castile Way, and it's about time that we
start honoring the people who should really be honored, right,
I mean, you can't give you're new to the area.
You can't get a much bigger hero than Kendrick Castillo,
(08:21):
wonderful young man from great parents who knowingly lays down
his life to save his entire classroom from being methodically executed.
That was the plan of these killers. I've had the
privilege of representing and missus Castile, and so you know,
we did more than twenty depositions.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
We got everybody in the earth. We got a bunch
of documents.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
There is no doubt the plan of these heinous killers
was to lock out the rescuers and to methodically execute
every child in that classroom and the teachers. And Kendrick
Castile stood up to stop that gave his life for it.
Some other courageous students followed him as he took on
(09:03):
the shooter. But but that's what was going to happen,
one by one executed in that classroom, and he saved
him all and he gave up his life in the process.
That is the epitome of everything good. Right, It's the
epitome of a great American, it's the epitome of a
great Christian. It's the epitome of everything good. And so
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how tremendous that's going to be celebrated and memorialized, you know,
with the renaming of this street, so that ceremony tomorrow
morning at ten thirty a m.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And Colorado needs to do a lot more of that.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I've never understood this business ryan of naming all this
big stuff after politicians. I mean, politicians get plenty out
of being elected officeholders, or else they wouldn't go after it, right,
So why are we naming the stuff after them instead
of after true American heroes like Kendrick and people who've died,
(10:00):
people who've died in law enforcement, people who died in
the military, heroes from other walks of life. Well, I
be naming this stuff after politicians, certain politicians, certainly, But
I would say somebody like DWYG.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
David Eisenhower, who was a legend for myriad reason or
the least of which she was the commander of the
Allied forces that delivered freedom from the Nazis and so forth.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And amen, my brother, I mean you'll have some exceptions, right,
talk about your garden variety politicians. I'm Kennedy. You know
his great work during the Cuban missile crisis. I'm talking about.
And listen, though, are politics differ I like Federico Pina,
I like him personally, but you know that boulevards should
not be named after a living former mayor, you know
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what I mean?
Speaker 5 (10:45):
But how much political grease did it take to get
that whole project done? You let's have something to do
with that.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
You have the five rus five eight two five five,
the number there was never end is?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I remember about Federico and again we disagree on major policy.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
There's never any out to hint of scandal surrounding him.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Talk at Scan, I'll talk an influence, you know what
I mean, making some promises.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, no, I can't speak to that I because I
truly don't know and it's been a long time. All
I'm saying is this big stuff. Unless it's somebody like
Dwight Eisenhower or something, it neems to be named after
these other kind of heroes in our midst You're on
the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
It's completely, uh shocking to even even write this, and
the you know, the idea of offering people who have
not been charged with any crime, there's no even hint
of committing any crimes pardons because the nature of the
incoming administration is such that they're pretty open about the
idea of pursuing a kind of third world model of
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where we come in, we go after the guys. Now,
I can hear what the Trump folks are gonna say immediately,
which is he's only doing what they did to us.
And I think, guys, that's what you'll hear next year
if the Trump folks do first new these revenge investigations
or indictments of they started laws their first they indicted
(12:18):
Trump left and right. We're only keeping the same thing going.
And you can see it easily right now. Hey, guys,
that's why this debate is so serious in the White
House and why they're they're they're taking this, I think
with some measure of sobriety, even though it is an
extraordinary precedent to.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Set obviously no self awareness there for Jonathan Martin, but
really fascinating, right because when we talked about this yesterday,
this political story that Biden is considering, among other pardons,
I mean, we know he's going to pardon his brother,
right and and but among other pardons Shift and Fouche
and Liz Cheney and who knows.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Where else that goes.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
It led to this question, can somebody turn down up pardon?
So I went and did a little bit of research.
Now I didn't legally research this the way I do
my stuff in my law practice, but I did some
online stuff and it appears to be unanimous that yes,
one hundred percent, absolutely somebody can turn down a pardon.
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And so that's another reason why I so hope he
pardons all of them, because first of all, to pardon
them is to convict them, right, And I don't have
any evidence that any of those people has committed a crime.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I'm just very very upset with.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Those people for things they have done on a public
policy level that have been very damaging to this country
and causes that I hold dear. But I'm not aware
that any of them is committed a crime. But I
don't have access to the information I need to know
whether they committed a crime. But if they are pardoned,
they are convicted in the court of public opinion. That
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happens pretty much automatically. I think you'd agree. But then
you get to the fun part. Do they turn it down?
And what do you think? Well, ask doctor Fauchi. I
think he's here right now, aren't you, doctor Fauci.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
If you are offered a pub pardon only if it
prevents me from ever having to talk to Ram Paul again,
then I would accept.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Okay, Okay, I'm not sure it would get you that.
In fact, probably the opposite effect, because if you accept
a pardon, well, then at that point you don't have
any Fifth Amendment.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Immunity.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
That because you have immunity, you don't have a Fifth
Amendment right against self incriminations.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
So if you no longer have to go to the
Catholic Church because I live my life according to my
own value.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Wow, that was and I am the science and who knows.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
One of well those two Yeah, that they just say
it all, don't they. It's man, no fear of apparently,
no fear of what's to come after passing away? Right,
But yeah, So that would be the real fun part
is then all these people would have to decide whether
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to accept the pardon. And if they accepted the pardon, well,
then the American people take it to another level. In
terms of their certainty that some crime was committed. But
if they reject the pardon, that's pretty impressive. Who do
you think would accept? Who do you think would reject?
Eight five five for zero five eight two five five
text d An five seven seventy nine. You got Fauci,
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you got Shiff, you got Liz Cheney reportedly maybe offered pardons.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Who accepts, who rejects?
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Doesn't Adam Schiff release a statement saying there's no reason
for me to receive a pardon and he rejected the
premis al together.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, it's not rejecting the part. No, it's not.
Speaker 8 (15:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
I think let's Jenny better take it because she did
some dirty stuff.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Dan, I'm talking about the jan sixth.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Subcommittee, the texts that were deleted, the collusion and the cooperation,
the communication with and Alexa knows her named the young
lady that contested that Trump tried to grab the steering wheel,
this Secret Service officer, which was ridiculous on its face,
Benny Thompson not apparently not knowing at all what happened
to a lot of the evidence when confronted by Thomas Massey,
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the video that showed somebody discovering a bomb outside the
DNC then alerting police. Who was that person? Why do
we not know who that person is? There's so much
that went wrong with that subcommittee. It was a total sham.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, and that's where, Hey, just my forty years of
practice in law, my belief is I would need subpoena
power to get to the bottom of all that. And
I know the reporting that you're talking about, but I
wouldn't need subpoena power to really dig in and figure
out if any of those people had committed a crime.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I know the reasons.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I'm extremely upset with them and think they've caused great
harm to very important causes, But a crime, I would
need to really be able to dig in and figure
that out.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Text or Dan, are you serious?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Federico Pina was one of the most corrupt and partisan
politicians in Colorado history. Listen, and again we disagree on
the big issues. I'm not aware of any corruption on
Federico Payne part. And the reason this came up if
you just joined us, is I'm talking about why are
we naming stuff after politicians instead of, you know, like
this great thing that's being done. Kender Castile way out
(17:12):
in Highland's ranch. That's the right thing to do. That's
being officially commemorated tomorrow. That's a beautiful thing. But should
we take politicians names off stuff?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
And again my point was, I'd like Federico Pina personally,
disagree with him on policy, not aware of any corruption,
but I don't think his name should be on that boulevard.
I think it should be, you know, some somebody from
everyday life who was a tremendous hero. And that can
be somebody who gave their life for US police, fire, military,
it can be somebody else, but it politicians.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Should be the last people this stuff's named after.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
You ever driven through West Virginia, Dan, I got a
real bad nominee for you.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
How about Robert C.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Byrd Highway in West Virginia?
Speaker 6 (17:56):
Cyclass.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
No, It's interesting because the left is so big on
taking names off stuff of people they don't like. But
but shouldn't just as a general rule, shouldn't we take
the politicians' names off everything? Now? And unless you're talking
at Dwight Eisenower, right or something like that, shouldn't we
just take the politician's name off? And who else would
(18:19):
you name stuff after?
Speaker 6 (18:20):
But on the same stretch of highway you got kender Castille.
But then also Dave Sanders.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Oh those lines, yes, and we were probably involved in
part of that.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
But sure, but yeah, what politicians' names would you take
off things right now?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Like we have that all over Colorado right now. And
if you are going to have politicians names on stuff,
then you should have bill Owens highway sense?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Can you imagine as bad as I twenty five is
what it would look like if Bill Owens had not
pushed through that project?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Here on the Dan Kapsa show.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplas show. Podcas asked Thursday afternoon,
Dean and Arvada.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
You're on the Dan Kaplas. You'll welcome.
Speaker 9 (19:06):
Dan. Hey, I was telling about all these pardons.
Speaker 10 (19:10):
I mean, where does it stop. Could he just pardon
Jack Smith, Merrick Darland, all of the Jacksmith committee?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I mean, I mean.
Speaker 10 (19:19):
Everybody that worked on the Jack Smith case. Could they
all be pardoned? I mean, it doesn't make sense that
you can pardon someone that hasn't committed a crime.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
It seems like, oh, interesting question, Dean, yea, have the
loss well established on that?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You can?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I mean you can you can pardon somebody before, say
they're charged with the crime. Now what, let me take
that back a little bit, my friend, tech, you are correct,
you cannot pardon somebody before they commit a crime. You
can only pardon them for crimes they've already committed. But
you can pardon them before they are charged with the crime.
Speaker 9 (19:53):
So you could pardon them like without like, well, we
don't know if they're going to be charged, so we'll
just pardon them now.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
So you're pardoning somebody for all crimes committed between a
certain and within a certain time period, or you can
limit it and you can say okay, like with Hunter Biden,
you could have said, okay, he's pardoned for the two
federal client crimes that he was convicted of, but instead,
obviously Joe Biden pardons them for any federal offense he
committed from twenty fourteen forward. Wow.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
What a coincidence.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
So yeah, but it gets to your interesting pointing that
you can in fact pardon people who have not committed
any crime, but you have to pardon them up to
the present point in time. You can't pardon them for
any future crime.
Speaker 11 (20:43):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (20:44):
So I mean jacksonifs could get.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Pardoned, Oh, he could pardon anybody wants.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
But then the fun starts, right do they accept the
pardon or not? Because a pardon has to be accepted,
a pardon can be rejected.
Speaker 9 (21:00):
Oh, they're going to take those pardons. They're going to go.
I don't want to be in trouble later. I'll just
take my my, my beating.
Speaker 10 (21:06):
Uh, because Congress isn't gonna call him in, Like, why
are we going to wait time with this guy?
Speaker 9 (21:10):
He's already parted my brother.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I would bet you the biggest stake in town that
if Liz Cheney was pardoned, that she would reject that.
Speaker 10 (21:18):
Pardon and fat politics.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Well, you know, even if somebody doesn't have a future
in politics, and I don't see one for her. But uh,
but but just your reputation, your your personal pride, et cetera.
If you're sitting there and you know you have not
committed any crime and you are now offered a pardon,
you know, the second that you accept that pardon, it's
like admitting you committed a crime, no matter what you say,
(21:43):
no matter how you try to cover it. So now,
on the other hand, obviously somebody has to be weighing, well,
I may be charged and then even if I'm acquitted later,
I've I've you know, spent all the money I have,
and people still think I'm guilty.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
So there's a lot to weigh.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I'm just saying, I would bet you what do you
think of those three that are being discussed in the
political story. They say that the Biden administration is thinking
about a Fauci Cheney shift. Which of those three do
you think accepts a pardon.
Speaker 9 (22:15):
Fauchi for sure, he's too old, he doesn't want to
go through anymore. Hell, so he's gonna take it. Pardon well.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
And if and I underline, if any of the three
committed a crime, I think he's the most likely to
have committed a crime. If if he did so, I
think he's the one who would need.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
To pardon most.
Speaker 9 (22:35):
Yeah, Paul's got him on a few things.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
No, he you know, I can see where he'd have
some cause for concern. I'm not going all the way
to saying that that Fauci has committed a crime, but
I think he'd be most likely.
Speaker 9 (22:47):
To take it.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, Hey, appreciate the call. Man.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
This this is so fascinating, and we know there are
going to be a bunch of other pardons, Right, Biden
is certainly pardoning his brother. And where else is all
of this going to go? And who do you think?
Who do you think crime? If anybody in this whole
cast of characters on the left is actually seeking a
preemptive pardon, I think you'd have some who turn.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
It down, maybe Fauci.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
But it gets to this point you're making it.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Can he pardon somebody ahead of not only they haven't
been convicted of a crime, they haven't been charged, they've
been investigated.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
There hasn't been interesting launched.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
So what does the pardon mean?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Well, what it means is that, yeah, you cannot be
prosecuted for any federal crime you committed during that time period.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
If the pardon has written that broadly.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Right, Yeah, that's been challengeable though in a court of law.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Constitutionally, no, Well, how can he give a blanket pardon
to Hunter Biden dating back to a specific date ten
plus years ago, almost eleven years ago.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
He could date it back to birth, Okay, yeah, but
he can.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Not any specific crimes that have been proven that have
been convicted in the court of law for which Hunter
was sentenced, which would be the tax evasion charges and
the gun charges.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Charged uncharged, which may have been committed. It's like the
power of a king.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, well, you know, and obviously we give, you know,
presidents certain vast and broad powers.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Well even Democrats who've seen Jerry Connolly, who's no conservative,
he's a pretty far left Democrat out of Virginia saying,
you know what, we need to revisit this whole presidential
pardon power and how broad it is. Kind of to
your point, I think if it's too broad, it's too
it's too much power to give one individual. I think
for specific offense. Let's say Rod big legoyeving Trump pardon
(24:32):
that was for a specific crime he committee served time
for Bobby kill kill Patrick.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
The former mayor of Detroit, same thing, it.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Was some fraudulent charges, fraud charges that he had been
convicted for, and those are specific crimes.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
How would you draw that though?
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I understand the desire to rein it in, but how
would you do that without undermining the core purpose? Now,
certainly alon and it may already exist that if if
somebody takes money in exchange for a pardon, the pardons invalidate. Jeff,
that law doesn't already exist, it should, But I think
the attitude is that, hey, the political process will take
(25:09):
care of that if you get somebody who's abusing it,
which is one reason I love all this rhyme because,
as I was saying down the stretch in the election, yeah,
it's so critical that Trump win, and thank god that happened.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
But even before.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Election, I was saying, but we also have to expose
the left for who they really are in order to
undermine support for the Democratic Party, and so that the
more of this, you know, I'm above the lost stuff
from Biden and the Democrats, the more Pardons, etc.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
The more it's going to hurt the Democratic.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Party and the easier for Republicans to win in the
mid terms. Let's go to beautiful Colorado Springs.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Gary. You're on the Dan Caplis Show. Thank you, hello, Dan.
Speaker 12 (25:51):
How are you today?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Good?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
But let me pass along this newest bit of news
breaking news on this New York CEO assassin, which just
can firms my initial take that he wants to be
caught and whether he's still alive or not, he wants
to be identified. The latest news breaking right now is
the picture of him when he's photographed full face, is
(26:13):
when he lowered his mask to flirt with a woman
at the front.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Desk of the hostel he was staying at.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
And by the way, he traveled to New York ten
days ago on a bus from Atlanta. So what do
you make of that, Gary, What were you calling on,
my friend?
Speaker 12 (26:28):
Well, I'm calling on the naming of highways and byways
of this great country. So the week before Thanksgiving, I
was driving across this great country. Happened to be in Pennsylvania.
They came across the Joseph R. Biden Expressway and the
traffic was moving so slow. I turned to my ten
(26:48):
year old granddaughter and I said, well, they appropriately named
this highway.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
That's a dead joke.
Speaker 12 (26:56):
Yeah, it is a bad joke.
Speaker 9 (26:57):
But I'll tell you what it's.
Speaker 12 (27:00):
Know, if we're ever going to get away from naming
highways after presidents, that happens.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Well, I'm okay with presidents, aren't you? What? What what?
Speaker 9 (27:08):
I'm not?
Speaker 11 (27:09):
You know?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
And again I have no beef with Federic opinion. I
liked him, disagreed on policy, but Panya Boulevards shouldn't be
named after a living former politician, not at that level,
I mean a president after he's passed away.
Speaker 12 (27:22):
Yeah, well, Dan, I think, well, President Vibes not quite
passed away.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Well yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear you. I hear you,
my friend.
Speaker 11 (27:35):
That on to you.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, thank you, Joseph or bideny way, Well, well, I
don't think any of this stuff should be named after
living politicians it and then presidents once they passed. But
I don't get it. I don't get the naming things
after local politicians. Some may be deserving, that's not my point.
(27:59):
But my point is is that there are other people
more deserving, and there are only so many things you
can name and who really works for home?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Right? I mean, none of the very very very.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Few of these people would be in politics if they
weren't getting enough personal satisfaction and reward out of it.
You know, how about just all the Americans who do
these extraordinary sacrificial things and lay down their lives for others. Yeah,
that's who we should be naming stuff after. And what
(28:29):
spurred this conversation today is they're doing the right thing.
In Highlands Ranch, one of the greatest Colorado heroes in history,
Kendrick Castillo. Major Street used to be Loosing Boulevard being
named after Kendrick Castillo and the formal dedication is tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
That's the way to do it. So what do you think?
Speaker 1 (28:47):
What stuff should we be taking politicians' names off of
right now and renaming after others.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
You're on the Dan Caplas.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
Shop and now back to the Dan Kapla show podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
De Transitioning Biological Female.
Speaker 8 (29:08):
A d transitioner, and I live in Lowell, but I work,
worship and do business in Nashua, and so I'm an
active community member of the six oh three and I'm
here in support of SB two seventy two today. So,
like many children and teens today, I identified myself as
transgender for years, and when I started to feel confused
and ashamed about my developing body, I asked everyone in
my life to call me by a new name and
(29:29):
use male pronouns to refer to me. So, in other words,
I went through a social transition from female to male.
Everyone in my life immediately affirmed my new identity, either
out of full support for it or just to stay
neutral and not cause any issues. The constant affirmation, both
active and passive, solidified me in my transgender identity. No
one meant to walk me into an identity that would
(29:49):
later leave me broken ashamed and more confused than before.
They were really all just being nice. But the social
transition eventually wasn't enough, and I soon felt I needed
to take testosterone. That wasn't enough, I had a double missectomy,
and when that still wasn't enough, I had a total hysterectomy,
including the removal of my uterus, cervix, fallopian tubes, and
both ovaries. There's no point of contentment during a gender transition.
(30:13):
We get fleeting moments of euphoria, but ultimately one step
leads straight into the next. And I thought that in
the end I could really become a man, But all
I became was a mutilated and abused version of my
old self. Social transition is a big deal, and we're
lying when we say that any of this is reversible.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Oh man, how courageous to speak out. Mike and Bennett, Colorado.
You're on the Dan Capel Show. I got excited for
a second. I thought it said Michael Bennett, who has
dodged this show for decades.
Speaker 11 (30:40):
Thanks, thanks Dan.
Speaker 9 (30:41):
Thanks it's not Michael Bennett.
Speaker 13 (30:44):
I was going to ask you, what is the ramification
If somebody gets pardoned, you say that that admitting guilt
and if you have a House of Representative or a
senator that is admitting guilt to a crime, if they
usually remove you from your position or put enough pressure
on you to bow out, how does that work?
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, thanks for that question.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I don't mean admitting guilt in a technical legal sense.
I mean in the court of public opinion. I think
if somebody has offered a pardon and accepts it the
way the public interprets that is as an admission of guilt,
but legally no, there would be no admission of guilt,
no negative legal consequence. Now let me have one thing, Mike,
(31:29):
and this this is a little in the weeds. There
is one negative legal consequence because if you accept a pardon,
then you lose your Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination
on issues directly pertaining to some of that. So you
may be forced to testify, say some investigations, grand jury hearings,
et cetera, where you might otherwise take the Fifth.
Speaker 11 (31:52):
Okay, Well, that I was referring to Adam Sift. Yeah,
because now he's going to be a senator, right, Yes,
he takes the pardon like there'd be a lot of
pressure on him to to come to some kind of
hearing the answer for his behavior.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Boy, you would think so.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
But in California, right, you get elected as a Democrat
in California, you're just kind of electorally bulletproof. So no,
with with Adam Scheff, right, it's it'd be interesting to
see if he took it or not. But we may
soon found out, right based on what politicals are reporting.
Great questions, Mike, thank you for that. Really do appreciate it.
(32:30):
If you just joined us, thank you. It's been an
amazing day. If we started out and af throughout the
show brought to the latest on.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
The CEO killer in New York.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Clearly, as we said yesterday, you know, wants to be caught,
wants to be identified at the very least, and presumably
wants to be then caught if he's still alive, you know,
because he only had half a mask on at the
time of this saint his crime, and now there's a
full face photo available because he took his mask off
at the youth hostel. He was staying to flirt with
(33:00):
a clerk at the front counter stop by Starbucks for
a while before bought some you know, energy bars and
water at a Starbucks before he went and committed this
terrible killing.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
So yeah, we will know who he is very very
very soon.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
But the biggest news of the day the shellcasing is
found at the scene, you know that to deny defend
depos which would suggest that the motive was tied to
denial of an insurance claim. But that could be a
misdirection play, right because it's so obvious, or it could
be the true motive. Information CNN reporting that he wrote
(33:39):
a bus up from Atlanta ten days ago to New
York and then stayed in this youth hostel with two males,
no reporting on whether those were people he knew previously
or not.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
So that the latest drying.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
If you had to bet your young life at this
point on what the motive is here, what actually happened,
what would that be.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
I think this is an aggrieved person with delusions that
was going to take out the CEO by going straight
to the top, or a claim that he was not
able to get and he feels he got ripped off.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I think it might be as basic as that.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
You know, honestly, if you're betting the house, that's probably
from what we know now what's on the table, that's
probably a pretty smart bet. And then I think the
question becomes was it just made to look that way
to cover some other motive? Since his CEO currently under
investigation reportedly by CNN under investigation by DJ for alleged
(34:33):
insider trading, was there some other motive there? You know?
I hope, I expect we will find out in the
end here what really went on there? Hey, really appreciate
the time today. Heck of a lot going on tomorrow.
Hope you're with us tomorrow at four oh six. All
Ryan tremendous job is always. Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I hope you catch Ryan show does an excellent show
in Denver two to four pm each afternoon.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Kelly Human Sunshine with us again. So grateful for that,
except for the fact we have to wear sunglasses because
she's so radiant.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Join us tomorrow on the Dan Kapla Show.
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