December 12, 2024 • 34 mins
Former Levi's executive and founder of XX-XY Athletics, Jennifer Sey joins Deborah Flora (in for Dan) to forecast where the battle to protect women's sports and spaces goes from here in the wake of Donald Trump's 2024 victory.
Is Die Hard a Christmas movie? The great debate continues between Deborah and Ryan, along with texters submitting their favorite suggestions.
Is Die Hard a Christmas movie? The great debate continues between Deborah and Ryan, along with texters submitting their favorite suggestions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Kaplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back to The Dan Kapli Show.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
This is Deborah Flora sitting in for Dan, and it
is going quickly today, already into hour two.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Well, I want to get right to it because I've
got a great guest.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Who is joining me today, and particularly in the light
of what's been going on with Title nine, what's been
happening with the US Supreme Court case that they're hearing
in Tennessee about transitioning minors, the gender transitioning processes and policies,
you know, and also just talking about courage.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
How do we stand up?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I am so excited to welcome to the show, Jennifer Say.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Many of you know that Jennifer won the.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Nineteen eighty six US Gymnastics National Championship. She wrote a
book called Chalked Up about her experience and a lot
of what goes on when on behind the scenes in athletics.
She was an executive at Levi Strauss let go because
she dared to be bold enough to speak out against
COVID mandates, and she's continuing that courageous stand now. She's
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working with the Raleigh Gaines Center. She's got her xx
XY clothing company. I will give a shameless plug that
I have my very own xx x Y hat.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Love it. Jennifer. Thank you so much for joining me
on the show today. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Thanks for having me happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Absolutely well.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
You and I have seen each other here around Colorado
Fairmount last saw you also at the first ever March
for Kids. Appreciate your very bold stance. You know, I
just want to jump right into it because you have
been on the forefront of standing up against certain cultural,
you know, trends.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That needed to be exposed.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Let's just jump into one of the craziest headlines. The
New York Times recently came under fire for referring to
actual women as non trans women. I mean, that's how
my They're trying to redefine what it means to be
You're you know, you're a mom. To you, I will
not be called a birthing person. I have raised that child.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Thank you very much. Two of them, and I'm blessed
to be a mom. What would you say?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
What do you think about when you see how crazy
these headlines are getting, and you know the fact that
we're just talking about basic biology here, we.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Have lost our minds? How do you I mean, you
cannot give it an inns on the language, and I
will admit I think maybe in the past I probably
gave on some of it. Although I never used pronouns.
I always thought that was ridiculous. But we can't because
you change the language, you change the culture, and you
change the way people think, and you end up with
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things like calling actual women, non trans women as if
quote unquote trans women, because I don't think that's the
thing is the standard, And we are not right. Women
are male right because identified they are identified males. They
are males that believe they are women or feel more
comfortable for whatever reason, dressing and presenting as women. But
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they are male. Sex is not assigned at birth, It
is recognized and observed. We cannot use this language, and
it seems like pedantic almost to refuse, like, oh, just
use it, it's you know whatever, it's nice. No, this
is where, this is how we got into this mess.
It we gave on in on language to be nice. Frankly,
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you know, think about it this way. If you use
the phrase trans women are women, if you conceive that,
which you and I won't do. But if you do
conceive that, how can you then draw a line and say, okay,
translimin our women. But you, as women can't come in
to the women's blocker room, and you can't compete in
women's sports. You can't. You've lost the battle before you've started.
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So you have to hold the line on the language.
And it will feel like you're being made sometimes, but
you have to do it. You have to be truthful,
and the truth matters more, and our girls matter more.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Right, And I think that you know the definition or
the defining line here. You know, for me, this is
a this is a constitution republic. Adults are allowed to
live their lives how they would choose, and that is
every adult's right to, you know, to live and identify
how they would like. But it is when we come
down to trying to redefine the terms. One of the
most interesting things I've seen in this trend is I've
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interviewed women from the Women's Liberation Front.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
It's wolf you know them. They're so great.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
You know, we maybe agree on one issue of all
of them, but it is an important one. And here
here are these, you know, radical self proclaimed radical liberal feminists.
And one woman on my show was weeping because she said,
everything that we fought for since the sixties, title line
included is disappearing because it's an erasure of womanhood.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Do you think that's an exaggeration.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
I don't think it's an exaggeration. Wolfs is fantastic. People
often ask where are the feminists? That's where they are.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Indeed, there are a lot.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Of left leading feminists. I was on the take back
Title nine toward this summer. The broad coalition of women
Wolfe was there. There were many women who would call
themselves TERFs. I probably lean more that way as I
come from the left, and there were women on the right,
and there were women sort of unidentified politically, and they
come together because they believe in basic reality and they
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believe that women hard one rights are worth fighting for.
And once a male, any male, can be considered female
a woman, it destroys the category of women. And there
are sex based rights that come with being a woman.
Now because of Title nine, and because of all sorts
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of other things. I mean, it was the left wing
feminists that fought for battered women's shelters in the seventies,
and one those are very necessary. These are women who
have suffered violence at the hands of men. They should
not have men in the shelters. They should not have it.
They just shouldn't make a separate space for these other people.
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Make a separate space. That's fine. Although you know, I
have recently come to the conclusion that I don't think
that there should be a third space for sports, And
I'll tell you why. I did. Use to sort of
think it. I sort of conceded the point. I thought
it was kind of easier and more expedient to just
kind of make a third category. But one making a
third category conceives that there is this other category of person,
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which I don't think there is their male or female.
They just believe themselves to be something different, so it
kind of concedes to their terms. But the other thing
is is in sports, there's a limited amount of prize money,
right that bride money bucket does not go up if
you add another category. So what happens you add three
and then males get two thirds of it because let's
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face that a biological male is going to win in
the transopen category. So my feeling is, there's a men's category,
there's a women's categories. Compete in the category to which
you were born. You know that sports aren't supposed to
validate identity. Sports are competitive, Sports are exclusive when they
are competitive, they are not meant to be inclusive. So
let's just remember that.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
It's pretty crazy how far we've gotten away from meritocracy,
and sports is one area where you're either faster or not.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
You're either.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I mean, it's pretty cut and dried, you know. By
the way, for anyone listening, my guest is Jennifer said
Deborah Flora, sitting in from Dan Caplis you use a
term called turfs, which I think you know some people
may know. Actually true feminists from the sixties, who may
be on the left are now called trans exclusionary radical feminists.
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They had, you know, the word salad game that is
going on is absolutely stunning, you know, And what you're
talking about, as far as this basic difference, I remember
doing a deeper dive. I'd Paula Scanlon joined me. I've
interviewed Riley Gaines before, and it really made me dig
into it. You know, it's time to get back to science.
Everyone who claims that when a child has an X Y,
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which is why I love your company xxx Y x
Y chromosoone, they are a male. They are doused with
testosterone in utero. There's a difference already seen when they're
thirty four or five years old. Mescle density, bone mass,
expanded cardiovascular system.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
That's just an actual reality.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
You know what would you say, you spoke up again
about the safety for girls and women in gymnastics because
of your own experience, and now we see things like
the Olympics where we saw a woman literally who is
amazing at boxing. One blow and she was The difference
was so clear. What do you say just about the
safety of all of this, Well, it is.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
It's not safe. And you know what proponents of male
competing in women's sports would say, Well, they would say
sports are dangerous. In fact, I've had this conversation with
many people, and I sin you're talking to the wrong
person if you're trying to explain that sports. I've broken
every bone below the ways more than once. I've brought
my steamer at World Championships. I know sports are dangerous.
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But you know what, the governing bodies have an obligation
to make them as safe and fair as possible. And
in fact, when I did break my steamer at World
Championships in nineteen eighty five, the rules change within days
to allow a coach up on the podium because if
the coach had been up there and just tasted me
when I fell on the bars, I would have fallen.
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I would have gotten a bad sport, but I would
not have suffered the most painful, devastating injury you can imagine.
You know, they would have kept me safe. And so,
I mean, I can name all sorts of examples within gymnastics,
which is one of the most dangerous sports, where they
create new rules, new equipment to try to make it
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as safe as possible. It's not fool group, it's not
one hundred percent safe. I mean, girls are flying in
the air, but there's an obligation on the part of
the governing to make it as safe as possible. And
they don't allow steroid use in sports, right right, they
don't allow that. And yet the difference, so the advantage
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that a male would gain from using steroids is not
as great as the advantage that a male has competing
in the women's category.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, great point. Great point.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Well, you know one last thing I want to because
you really are just an example of courage. I mean
it seems like everywhere you've gone, whether it's been you know,
writing your book chalked up exposing what was going on
in the gymnastics world. My guess, Jennifer say, whether it
was being fired from Levi Strauss because you dare to
speak up against COVID mandates. Now you're working with Riyley
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Gaines and really encouraging a lot of these young women.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
In Project Boycott, and that takes a lot.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I mean, these young women have given so much training
and for them to lose opportunities by standing down.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
We saw it in the San Jose volleyball situation.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Here's what I want to end with, because I really
appreciate your example. What would you say to people who
are afraid to speak up? I mean, the reality is
that it's understandable. You speak out, you get bold. Immediately
you're called bigots when biology is not bigotry. What would
you say to listeners to help them find their voice
to speak up?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
You have to do it. We are the vast majority.
We are more than eighty percent of Americans. We know
what is true. We know that girls and boys are different.
To your point, boys the first ofsostero sososter and watch
happens in the womb. They are different with every cell
of their beings. Their brains are different, their bodies are
dressed different, They're stronger, they're faster. We know this to
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be true. We cannot allow ourselves to be brain watched,
and we can't be afraid of the names they will
call us. That causes so much harm. And I really
believe that politics and policy are downstream from culture, and
we needed the culture. We let the activists bully up
and change our language, and now here we are and
these policies are like the rewrite of Title nine, and
we're like, what happened? Where did truth go? Well, we
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didn't stand up and stand together. And I really believe
if we stand together and stand up, we can't lose
because we are the vast majority. So I always warn people, Yes,
it's scary, Yes you will get called names, but you
will you will be okay. You will find the community,
and you will find your integrity, and you will stand
up for your daughter. Doesn't that matter to you I mean,
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to my mind, truth matters more than anything. It's utterly
be stabilizing for the world, to our community. And so
this is like about more than this issue, right, this
is about like living in reality.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
That's what we need to do well, and we're heading
to do a break.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Thank you, Jennifer. I could not have said it better.
And by the way, you will find your people. You
will live with passion and purpose, and it's so much
better to live in truth and be really the real protectors.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Thank you Jennifer for joining me. I so appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
You got it.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
And I encourage everybody to go to xx x y
her clothing line. It's awesome. Don't go anywhere. We will
be right back. I'm Deborah Flora sitting in for Dan Kaplis.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
And now back to the Dan Kapless Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Welcome back to the Dan Capley Show. This is Deborah
Flora sitting in for Dan. My goodness, gracious, the time
goes fast. Really appreciate this opportunity to have this conversation
with you. If you missed any of the program, it
will be posted later as a podcast so you can
catch it. Just had a great conversation with Jennifer Say,
someone who's been standing up courageously time and time again,
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whether it was exposing all of the abuses happening in
the US gymnast world. We heard those headlines, you know,
a while ago in the eighties, she was a national
champion being fired from Levi Strauss because she stood up
against COVID mandates, and now she is standing up with
Ridley Gains to protect girls and women's sports. Just got
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a great tetrom a listener who said, Deborah, I think
we what should be said is if you have a
y chromos zone, the question is why are you trying
to get in the women's girls dressing room and sports.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
That's a great question right there.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Once again, in a free society, if you are an adult,
you can identify and live however you would like to.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
But I think the place that.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
We are going to win this common sense conversation, and
it's already happening, by the way, let's not be afraid
to speak up because we're in the majority. When it
comes to sports. There are biological differences, and that's the
great point. It is not about how you choose to
identify or a dress as an adult It's about the
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fact that title Mind was put in place for a
reason because there was a clear understanding that men and
women are different biologically because of their chromosomes.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
No matter what you do, you cannot change that. You know.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
This comes in the wake of what I was sharing
at the last hour that the United Kingdom just voted
to protect min from purity blockers because they've had longer
of a case study to see what happens, and they
said that quote, there's currently an unacceptable safety risk in
the continued prescription of purity blockers to children. I gotta
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tell you one of another courageous women I had an
opportunity to meet is a woman named Prishiam Moseley. She
has a lawsuit now against the doctors that prescribed these
purity blockers to her when she was a child.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
And here is the crux of the matter.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
They said that she did not have the wherewithal as
a fourteen, fifteen, six, sixteen year old to agree to
LiPo section, but she did have the wherewithal to decide
to fundamentally change her body. And the saddest part about
this is, you know, the courageous voices of those who
are detransitioning. She said, when she went back to those
same doctors and said, what do I do Now I'm
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detransitioning and I'm having all of these health issues that
you never told me about. They said, well, we don't
treat that, we don't know anything about it.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
There's nothing we can do for you. That's not right.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
And it takes courage for each and every one of
us to stand up and speak up.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
By the way, a lot of where.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
This is coming from four thousand percent increase of girls
that are transitioning, that is not because suddenly there's that
increase of those with gender dysphoria.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
There is a push. There is a cultural agenda behind this.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
That's why I love I was at an event for
school choice recently. Governor Sarah Huckabee Sanders was there and speaking,
here's something I think.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
We can emulate everywhere.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
In Arkansas, they just created a pilot program where schools
are going to be phone free. Phones smartphones, and what
we can say is not so smart lending kids have
it is inundating them with all of these messages and
what they have found many experts have said it increases
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mental health issues. They're being barded constantly with these gender
fluidity conversations and constant bullying and badgering and all of that.
I think that's a great idea because when we see
a four thousand percent increase in girls transitioning, there's a
huge push.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I'm a mom.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
I know this firsthand through this internet online smartphone technology
that is reaching kids. By the way, my hat is
off to Sarah Huckby Sanders got to see her first
hand in person talk about this at a recent school
choice event in National One, and I think it's a
program that we all need to look at. And by
the way, even if your school isn't doing it, because
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that may take a while, you, as a parent, can
you can put those phones in time out? You can
put those filters on. We sure did, and we'll never
regret protecting our children from that kind of input.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Don't go anywhere, heading to a break.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
When we come back around, continue this conversation and talk
about the largest single day pardoning in history.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I'm Deborah Flora sitting in for Dan Kaplis.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Another great music cue for our conversation. Just talking with
Jennifer Say and talking about protecting girls and women in sports.
When you think about shattered dreams, when you think about
the hours that these young women put into these sports.
I remember Sealina Soul missing out on a scholarship in
Connecticut after years of hard work. That was a shattered
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dream and that is not okay. Well, you know we're
gonna switch gears here. Bet I'm gonna wind it up.
And by the way, I want to I want to
start hearing from you because in the final segment, we're
gonna get into the holiday spirit and I want you
to text a five seven seven, three nine what your
favorite Christmas movie is. I'm gonna share one of mine
with you, and we're gonna wind it up. But right
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now I want to hit another topic because you know,
here we are, we're heading into the holiday season. You know,
so many of us are looking at end of the
year spending. We're looking at shopping for Christmas presidents presents.
Presidents where God a Christmas president. We have a new
one coming in, but Christmas presents. But you know what, well,
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we may be watching our budget. That is not what
is happening with the Biden administration. In fact, there's a
headline this week that said White House Chief of Staff
Jeff Zein's I believe is how you say his name,
is asking his team to sprint to the finish in
spending to cement the president's legacy. He is actually asking
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them to spend as much money as they possibly can
before the end of this year, before the end of
Biden's presidency. And we're not just talking about small change here,
We're talking about some of them. And he's saying is
to lock in Biden's legacy. Well, Biden's legacy is overspending
an inflation, just spending more. They will be doing that,
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but talking about roughly up to five trillion dollars in
new spending in this rush or sprint to the finish line,
as a White House chief of staff is saying.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
And as for programs like even continuing COVID nineteen.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Stimulus package, I'm sorry, we are now five years beyond that.
That is nonsense and needs to stop. And he said
that they have already spent ninety eight percent of the
funding already legally available through October, and they're looking to
spend more.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I don't know about you, but it's.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Time our government treats the money they spend like what
it really is, and that is our money, our taxpayer dollars.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
And no, they should not be trying to spend as.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Much as possible before the end of Biden's term. Well,
here's something else they're doing on a record pace. Probably
have heard this headline that Joe Biden set a record
on a single day clembing, see and pardons. Now, by
the way, in case you were winning, who the previous
record holder was? That was not surprisingly President Barack Obama.
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He previously set the single day record by issuing three
hundred and thirty commutations during his last full day in office.
But not to be out down, Joe Biden basically set
today this record. Thirty nine people President Joe Biden pardoned
and nearly fifteen hundred sentences were commuted. Now, I haven't
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had time to go through them all, so I am
not sure you know the veracity or whether or not
that was right or wrong.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
But that is a huge number.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
And this is not the first time he has pardoned
people or commuted their senses. But here is what is
really interesting. Joe Biden's White House Council at Siskel. He
is saying that the Biden administration is looking into whether
or not should issue even more preemptive pardons.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Let's not forget, by the.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Way, that this is after Joe Biden went against his word.
He pardoned his son, and by the way, not just
partoning him for the crimes that he pled guilty to,
but pardoned him, pardoned Hunter for any crimes he has
committed or may have committed from January first, twenty fourteen
through December first, twenty twenty four That means things we
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don't even know that he did. I'm not sure that
that is constitutional, but I'm sure that's going to be
weighed out.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
But here is what they're trying to do.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
In addition to that, White House counsel Ed Siskell said
that they are looking to preemptive pardons for those they
basically try to describe as those that Donald Trump has
named as his political adversaries. Now, who are we talking
about in this category? Those being discussed for blanket pardons
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are former GOP representatively Cheney, Senate elect Adam Schiff, and
doctor Anthony Fauci. So it seems as though people who
have not even been indicted is the new category of
those you're gonna be pardoned. What does that mean for
goodness sake, are we going to find out that Hunter
Biden has done something really, really really horrible that maybe
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should put him away for life and he's already pardoned
for it. I think it's pretty darn crazy. But that's
what we're looking at. Here's the most interesting thing. And digging
a little deeper into this pardon of Joe Biden, which
by the way, is being shown to be not very
popular among the American people on either side of the aisle.
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But I think we've all heard this analysis. The most
interesting thing about this is it made backfire because by
pardoning Hunter Biden, he no longer has his Fifth Amendment.
That means and we have actually heard some of the
members of Congress talking about bringing Hunter Biden and now
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he can no longer plead the fifth because he is
not at risk of incriminating himself.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Why is that interesting? Boy?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
I tell you, when there was a consideration of impeaching
Joe Biden or having an impeachment inquiry, I had about
ten pages worth of things that there are questions for.
For instance, Joe and Joe Biden have a account for
ten million dollars and no one knows where it came from.
Joe Biden recently had numerous aliases. Oftentimes he was referred
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as the big Guy, and we even have Hunter Biden
saying that he was always giving a percentage of what
he made to the big Guy. You know, I am
not necessarily interested in punishing Joe Biden after he leaves office.
I honestly think that the gentleman should just be allowed
to go into retirement quietly, and that's probably what should
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have happened by those who have.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Encouraged him to do that long before now.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
But I do think that there is a need for
this to be exposed for this very reason. If it
is not exposed, then it will continue. But I got
to tell you these fifteen hundred commuting of sentences in
one day, this looking at pardoning in advance those who
have not even been indicted yet, would be pretty record breaking,
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and I do not mean that in a good way.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
So we're about to head to the break.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
But here, once again, I'm already getting some great texts
coming in. I want to know what your favorite Christmas
movie is, because I'm going to summarize some of our
topics today by a movie that I love this time
of year.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
And once again, if you missed. When I was guest.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Hosting on Tuesday, I had Dallas Jenkins. He's the creator
of The Chosen, a friend of mine who directed what
is now in theaters. You can also get it streaming
the best Christmas pageant ever and that is a really,
really great instinct Christmas classic. But I'm already some great suggestions.
Text into five seven seven three nine what your favorite
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Christmas movie is?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
And when we come back, I'm.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Gonna tell you one of mine, and why that is
going to be a call for us going forward once again.
Had Jennifer Say on the show, and she talked about
the courage of using our voice. That's kind of be
a theme of mine. That is also a Christmas movie. Well,
don't go anywhere. Text into five seven seven three nine.
That's five seven seven three nine to tell me your
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favorite Christmas movie. And hey, just if you want to
get a little feisty here, I'm throwing down the gauntlet.
Die Hard is not a Christmas movie was released in July. Ryan,
do you have an argument for me on that?
Speaker 5 (26:42):
We may have a musical hint?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Oh, okay, there we go. We may have a little
cue coming back, but I'm gonna throw down that gauntlet.
It is not a Christmas movie.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I gotta tell you. Bruce Willis said it was released
in July. There we go. End of story.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Although, by the way, the difference in genders and I
do believe there is. My husband and our son think
it is a Christmas movie. My our daughter and myself
do not think it is a Christmas movie. But I
want to hear what yours is five seven seven three nine,
don't go anywhere. I'm Deborah Flora sitting in for Dan Kaplis.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
And now back to the Dan Kapless Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Well, this is Deborah Flora's singing for Dan Caplas. Thank
you Ryan for that little gem. I'd say that is
about as much of a Christmas song as Diehard is
a Christmas movie.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
It's funny that you say that, because I know if
your husband Jonathan's listening, he's cheering his radio right now,
because that song Christmas and Hollis by Run dmc is
featured in die Hard when the limel driver argyle is
dropping off John McClean that, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
What, You have a point there, But let's review the
facts of why it is not actually a Christmas movie.
Despite when I'm getting from some of these texts here,
which I will address in a moment. Here's a definition
of a Christmas movie for me. First of all, if
you remove Christmas, could it take place in any other way?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (28:00):
It could have been a New Year's party. It could
have just been an office party. It could have been
an attempt at reconciliation. It was released in July and
Bruce Willis said it was not a Christmas movie.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
I think of Christmas.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
I think of Hans Gruber following from the Nacotoma Plaza.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
You know, nothing says the gift that keeps giving, like
getting rid of people who aren't really terrorists anyway, They
were just after the money. You know, I think that
is a very fair Well, Ryan, what is your favorite
Christmas movie?
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Diehard?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
No, I would say disqualified. Disqualified.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Here's another kind of question that along lines what you're saying.
Would you say it's a wonderful life? Is a Christmas
That is.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
A great point.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
And I have to you know, I had one Texture say,
you know, top choice for me, It's a wonderful Life,
But seriously, Diehard is a close third. Now, thank you
Texture for that fun comment. You know, we do watch
It's a wonderful life on Christmas Eve. Now, it could
take place somewhere else. But here's the other thing I
think defines a Christmas movie.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
What is the theme? Is it redemption? Is it family?
Is it warmth? Is it community?
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Or is it.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Killing terrorists and throwing it at the Nagasaki Building. I mean,
you know, there's a slightly different feel there, so I
think I think that is a different aspect. You know,
arguments could be made about It's a wonderful life, that's
for sure.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
I see a couple of votes here for Gremlins, so
that's that's another one. It does take in the Magua.
I mean that was a Christmas gift gizmo. Technically a
couple here though that trigger memories for me. Home Alone
is a pretty phenomenal Christmas movie in my mind, and
my favorite all time is Elf.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
It's so great.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, I got to tell you when we saw that,
it was the first time and I looked at my husband.
We have a background in the entertainment industry. He was
a producer at Walt Disney studiosun till it got two woke.
But when we watched that, our hat was off to
John Favreau because he created an immediate Christmas classic.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
It was way back to the old days. But thank
you for that. Ryan.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I will now take the mic completely away from you
because you were arguing four dive hard hold on you
guys are forgetting the best one, which one a Christmas story.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Oh it's so good. Thank you so much for that. Kelly.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Absolutely are Once again, I think that's a little bit
more of a guy version, but it is because my
husband and our son love that and it really is
heartwarming in that way.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
But I love all of these. Thank you, Kelly.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I think that is an awesome one. I would add
to that Christmas Chronicles. That's actually a new one. We
call him Salty Santa. That's Kurt Russell in a new one,
the Santa Claus movies. But thank you for all of
these great comments. Here's what I want to end with.
This movie that I'm going to share is in a
way a Christmas movie, and in Waite is not a
Christmas movie because I'm breaking my own rule. There is
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a movie I want to kind of summarize. This last hour,
which was we had Jennifer Say talking about protecting girls,
sports and safe spaces had several great textures text in
about why that is so needed. I was talking about
Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the governor of Arkansas, now passing a
law to keep cell phones out of schools because we
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know that the mental health of children is plummeting. So
I want to end with this as I wish you
all going into a merry Christmas season. There's a movie
called Rise of the Guardians. It's an animated movie. Chris
Pine as the voice of Jack frost Out Baldwin, believe
it or not, is the voice of their Santa Claus
version Nicholas Saint North. He's a big Russian guy. But
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here's why it's a great movie for us to keep
in mind. And I had a privilege to speak at
a school choice event recently, and I use this analogy
in Rise of the Guardians.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
And by the way, don't read the book. The book
gets weird. The movie is awesome.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Why this matters is because there is a moment in
this movie where Pitch, who represents a Boogeyman, is going
around and stealing, stealing the innocence of children. He's literally
stamping out the lights all over the glow. We see this,
and it is chilling when you think about how similar
it really is. He is replacing Sandman represents dreams, He's
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replacing them with nightmares.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
You have the Tooth Fairy.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
She represents and she is the guardian of memories, and
children are now having dread instead.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
You have Jack.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Frost, who is the guardian of fun, and now children
instead are walking around morose and moping. And then you
have you know, the Easter Bunny, who is the guardian
of hope. And then you have Santa Claus Nicholas, Saint North,
who is the guardian of wonder. What are all of
those things have in common? They define childhood. They rise
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up as the guardians of childhood and try to stop
the darkness that is taking over the globe and the
country so that the innocence of children can be preserved.
I love that movie for that reason. Now listen, you
can watch it at Easter because.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
It can close over Easter.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
You can watch it Saint Patrick's Day, you can watch
it at Christmas time whenever you want to.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
But here's what I want to say.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
We today, particularly in this holiday season, that should be
about wonder, should be about joy. We can be the
ones that speak up, like Jennifer Say and others rather
Gaines Paula Scanlon, who have had on my show.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
We can be the ones to stand up and go
back to protecting the innocence of children.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
It's time to say to people, you know what, classrooms
are not places that should be politicized. Children are not
people that should be part of some kind of social experiment.
It is time to say we get to be the
ones to say enough and push back. We're going to
be the guardians of childhood. We're going to be the
ones to make sure that this mental health crisis amongst
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our kids is reversed.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
And they just get to be kids.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Let's not be afraid to speak up about that, because
I believe that we are in the majority. We've just
been bullied into being silent. But it is time to
stand up and be a guardian. Okay, so I kind
of set you guys up. That wasn't really a Christmas movie,
but it's one that I think olli.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Us should take away.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
But here's how I'll connect all the stories as well.
Those drones being seen, mysterious ones are not Santa Claus
going across you know the skyline. You know, all of
these things to come together. I am grateful for every
listener that we can stand together, we can make a
difference in our day, we can make our voices be heard,
and we can say enough of the nonsense. Let's do
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be the guardians of children, of childhood and of the
values we share. I want to say, in case I'm
not behind this mic before the holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah,
God bless you. I'm Deborah Flora, sitting in for Dan Kaplis.
This is Dan Kaplis and welcome to today's online podcast
edition of The Dan Kapli Show. Please be sure to
give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind,
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back to The Dan Kapli Show.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
This is Deborah Flora sitting in for Dan, and it
is going quickly today, already into hour two.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Well, I want to get right to it because I've
got a great guest.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Who is joining me today, and particularly in the light
of what's been going on with Title nine, what's been
happening with the US Supreme Court case that they're hearing
in Tennessee about transitioning minors, the gender transitioning processes and policies,
you know, and also just talking about courage.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
How do we stand up?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I am so excited to welcome to the show, Jennifer Say.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Many of you know that Jennifer won the.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Nineteen eighty six US Gymnastics National Championship. She wrote a
book called Chalked Up about her experience and a lot
of what goes on when on behind the scenes in athletics.
She was an executive at Levi Strauss let go because
she dared to be bold enough to speak out against
COVID mandates, and she's continuing that courageous stand now. She's
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working with the Raleigh Gaines Center. She's got her xx
XY clothing company. I will give a shameless plug that
I have my very own xx x Y hat.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Love it. Jennifer. Thank you so much for joining me
on the show today. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Thanks for having me happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Absolutely well.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
You and I have seen each other here around Colorado
Fairmount last saw you also at the first ever March
for Kids. Appreciate your very bold stance. You know, I
just want to jump right into it because you have
been on the forefront of standing up against certain cultural,
you know, trends.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That needed to be exposed.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Let's just jump into one of the craziest headlines. The
New York Times recently came under fire for referring to
actual women as non trans women. I mean, that's how
my They're trying to redefine what it means to be
You're you know, you're a mom. To you, I will
not be called a birthing person. I have raised that child.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Thank you very much. Two of them, and I'm blessed
to be a mom. What would you say?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
What do you think about when you see how crazy
these headlines are getting, and you know the fact that
we're just talking about basic biology here, we.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Have lost our minds? How do you I mean, you
cannot give it an inns on the language, and I
will admit I think maybe in the past I probably
gave on some of it. Although I never used pronouns.
I always thought that was ridiculous. But we can't because
you change the language, you change the culture, and you
change the way people think, and you end up with
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things like calling actual women, non trans women as if
quote unquote trans women, because I don't think that's the
thing is the standard, And we are not right. Women
are male right because identified they are identified males. They
are males that believe they are women or feel more
comfortable for whatever reason, dressing and presenting as women. But
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they are male. Sex is not assigned at birth, It
is recognized and observed. We cannot use this language, and
it seems like pedantic almost to refuse, like, oh, just
use it, it's you know whatever, it's nice. No, this
is where, this is how we got into this mess.
It we gave on in on language to be nice. Frankly,
(03:31):
you know, think about it this way. If you use
the phrase trans women are women, if you conceive that,
which you and I won't do. But if you do
conceive that, how can you then draw a line and say, okay,
translimin our women. But you, as women can't come in
to the women's blocker room, and you can't compete in
women's sports. You can't. You've lost the battle before you've started.
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So you have to hold the line on the language.
And it will feel like you're being made sometimes, but
you have to do it. You have to be truthful,
and the truth matters more, and our girls matter more.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Right, And I think that you know the definition or
the defining line here. You know, for me, this is
a this is a constitution republic. Adults are allowed to
live their lives how they would choose, and that is
every adult's right to, you know, to live and identify
how they would like. But it is when we come
down to trying to redefine the terms. One of the
most interesting things I've seen in this trend is I've
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interviewed women from the Women's Liberation Front.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
It's wolf you know them. They're so great.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
You know, we maybe agree on one issue of all
of them, but it is an important one. And here
here are these, you know, radical self proclaimed radical liberal feminists.
And one woman on my show was weeping because she said,
everything that we fought for since the sixties, title line
included is disappearing because it's an erasure of womanhood.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Do you think that's an exaggeration.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
I don't think it's an exaggeration. Wolfs is fantastic. People
often ask where are the feminists? That's where they are.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Indeed, there are a lot.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Of left leading feminists. I was on the take back
Title nine toward this summer. The broad coalition of women
Wolfe was there. There were many women who would call
themselves TERFs. I probably lean more that way as I
come from the left, and there were women on the right,
and there were women sort of unidentified politically, and they
come together because they believe in basic reality and they
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believe that women hard one rights are worth fighting for.
And once a male, any male, can be considered female
a woman, it destroys the category of women. And there
are sex based rights that come with being a woman.
Now because of Title nine, and because of all sorts
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of other things. I mean, it was the left wing
feminists that fought for battered women's shelters in the seventies,
and one those are very necessary. These are women who
have suffered violence at the hands of men. They should
not have men in the shelters. They should not have it.
They just shouldn't make a separate space for these other people.
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Make a separate space. That's fine. Although you know, I
have recently come to the conclusion that I don't think
that there should be a third space for sports, And
I'll tell you why. I did. Use to sort of
think it. I sort of conceded the point. I thought
it was kind of easier and more expedient to just
kind of make a third category. But one making a
third category conceives that there is this other category of person,
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which I don't think there is their male or female.
They just believe themselves to be something different, so it
kind of concedes to their terms. But the other thing
is is in sports, there's a limited amount of prize money,
right that bride money bucket does not go up if
you add another category. So what happens you add three
and then males get two thirds of it because let's
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face that a biological male is going to win in
the transopen category. So my feeling is, there's a men's category,
there's a women's categories. Compete in the category to which
you were born. You know that sports aren't supposed to
validate identity. Sports are competitive, Sports are exclusive when they
are competitive, they are not meant to be inclusive. So
let's just remember that.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
It's pretty crazy how far we've gotten away from meritocracy,
and sports is one area where you're either faster or not.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
You're either.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I mean, it's pretty cut and dried, you know. By
the way, for anyone listening, my guest is Jennifer said
Deborah Flora, sitting in from Dan Caplis you use a
term called turfs, which I think you know some people
may know. Actually true feminists from the sixties, who may
be on the left are now called trans exclusionary radical feminists.
(07:41):
They had, you know, the word salad game that is
going on is absolutely stunning, you know, And what you're
talking about, as far as this basic difference, I remember
doing a deeper dive. I'd Paula Scanlon joined me. I've
interviewed Riley Gaines before, and it really made me dig
into it. You know, it's time to get back to science.
Everyone who claims that when a child has an X Y,
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which is why I love your company xxx Y x
Y chromosoone, they are a male. They are doused with
testosterone in utero. There's a difference already seen when they're
thirty four or five years old. Mescle density, bone mass,
expanded cardiovascular system.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
That's just an actual reality.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
You know what would you say, you spoke up again
about the safety for girls and women in gymnastics because
of your own experience, and now we see things like
the Olympics where we saw a woman literally who is
amazing at boxing. One blow and she was The difference
was so clear. What do you say just about the
safety of all of this, Well, it is.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
It's not safe. And you know what proponents of male
competing in women's sports would say, Well, they would say
sports are dangerous. In fact, I've had this conversation with
many people, and I sin you're talking to the wrong
person if you're trying to explain that sports. I've broken
every bone below the ways more than once. I've brought
my steamer at World Championships. I know sports are dangerous.
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But you know what, the governing bodies have an obligation
to make them as safe and fair as possible. And
in fact, when I did break my steamer at World
Championships in nineteen eighty five, the rules change within days
to allow a coach up on the podium because if
the coach had been up there and just tasted me
when I fell on the bars, I would have fallen.
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I would have gotten a bad sport, but I would
not have suffered the most painful, devastating injury you can imagine.
You know, they would have kept me safe. And so,
I mean, I can name all sorts of examples within gymnastics,
which is one of the most dangerous sports, where they
create new rules, new equipment to try to make it
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as safe as possible. It's not fool group, it's not
one hundred percent safe. I mean, girls are flying in
the air, but there's an obligation on the part of
the governing to make it as safe as possible. And
they don't allow steroid use in sports, right right, they
don't allow that. And yet the difference, so the advantage
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that a male would gain from using steroids is not
as great as the advantage that a male has competing
in the women's category.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, great point. Great point.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Well, you know one last thing I want to because
you really are just an example of courage. I mean
it seems like everywhere you've gone, whether it's been you know,
writing your book chalked up exposing what was going on
in the gymnastics world. My guess, Jennifer say, whether it
was being fired from Levi Strauss because you dare to
speak up against COVID mandates. Now you're working with Riyley
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Gaines and really encouraging a lot of these young women.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
In Project Boycott, and that takes a lot.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I mean, these young women have given so much training
and for them to lose opportunities by standing down.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
We saw it in the San Jose volleyball situation.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Here's what I want to end with, because I really
appreciate your example. What would you say to people who
are afraid to speak up? I mean, the reality is
that it's understandable. You speak out, you get bold. Immediately
you're called bigots when biology is not bigotry. What would
you say to listeners to help them find their voice
to speak up?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
You have to do it. We are the vast majority.
We are more than eighty percent of Americans. We know
what is true. We know that girls and boys are different.
To your point, boys the first ofsostero sososter and watch
happens in the womb. They are different with every cell
of their beings. Their brains are different, their bodies are
dressed different, They're stronger, they're faster. We know this to
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be true. We cannot allow ourselves to be brain watched,
and we can't be afraid of the names they will
call us. That causes so much harm. And I really
believe that politics and policy are downstream from culture, and
we needed the culture. We let the activists bully up
and change our language, and now here we are and
these policies are like the rewrite of Title nine, and
we're like, what happened? Where did truth go? Well, we
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didn't stand up and stand together. And I really believe
if we stand together and stand up, we can't lose
because we are the vast majority. So I always warn people, Yes,
it's scary, Yes you will get called names, but you
will you will be okay. You will find the community,
and you will find your integrity, and you will stand
up for your daughter. Doesn't that matter to you I mean,
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to my mind, truth matters more than anything. It's utterly
be stabilizing for the world, to our community. And so
this is like about more than this issue, right, this
is about like living in reality.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
That's what we need to do well, and we're heading
to do a break.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Thank you, Jennifer. I could not have said it better.
And by the way, you will find your people. You
will live with passion and purpose, and it's so much
better to live in truth and be really the real protectors.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Thank you Jennifer for joining me. I so appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
You got it.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
And I encourage everybody to go to xx x y
her clothing line. It's awesome. Don't go anywhere. We will
be right back. I'm Deborah Flora sitting in for Dan Kaplis.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
And now back to the Dan Kapless Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Welcome back to the Dan Capley Show. This is Deborah
Flora sitting in for Dan. My goodness, gracious, the time
goes fast. Really appreciate this opportunity to have this conversation
with you. If you missed any of the program, it
will be posted later as a podcast so you can
catch it. Just had a great conversation with Jennifer Say,
someone who's been standing up courageously time and time again,
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whether it was exposing all of the abuses happening in
the US gymnast world. We heard those headlines, you know,
a while ago in the eighties, she was a national
champion being fired from Levi Strauss because she stood up
against COVID mandates, and now she is standing up with
Ridley Gains to protect girls and women's sports. Just got
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a great tetrom a listener who said, Deborah, I think
we what should be said is if you have a
y chromos zone, the question is why are you trying
to get in the women's girls dressing room and sports.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
That's a great question right there.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Once again, in a free society, if you are an adult,
you can identify and live however you would like to.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
But I think the place that.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
We are going to win this common sense conversation, and
it's already happening, by the way, let's not be afraid
to speak up because we're in the majority. When it
comes to sports. There are biological differences, and that's the
great point. It is not about how you choose to
identify or a dress as an adult It's about the
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fact that title Mind was put in place for a
reason because there was a clear understanding that men and
women are different biologically because of their chromosomes.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
No matter what you do, you cannot change that. You know.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
This comes in the wake of what I was sharing
at the last hour that the United Kingdom just voted
to protect min from purity blockers because they've had longer
of a case study to see what happens, and they
said that quote, there's currently an unacceptable safety risk in
the continued prescription of purity blockers to children. I gotta
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tell you one of another courageous women I had an
opportunity to meet is a woman named Prishiam Moseley. She
has a lawsuit now against the doctors that prescribed these
purity blockers to her when she was a child.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
And here is the crux of the matter.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
They said that she did not have the wherewithal as
a fourteen, fifteen, six, sixteen year old to agree to
LiPo section, but she did have the wherewithal to decide
to fundamentally change her body. And the saddest part about
this is, you know, the courageous voices of those who
are detransitioning. She said, when she went back to those
same doctors and said, what do I do Now I'm
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detransitioning and I'm having all of these health issues that
you never told me about. They said, well, we don't
treat that, we don't know anything about it.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
There's nothing we can do for you. That's not right.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
And it takes courage for each and every one of
us to stand up and speak up.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
By the way, a lot of where.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
This is coming from four thousand percent increase of girls
that are transitioning, that is not because suddenly there's that
increase of those with gender dysphoria.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
There is a push. There is a cultural agenda behind this.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
That's why I love I was at an event for
school choice recently. Governor Sarah Huckabee Sanders was there and speaking,
here's something I think.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
We can emulate everywhere.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
In Arkansas, they just created a pilot program where schools
are going to be phone free. Phones smartphones, and what
we can say is not so smart lending kids have
it is inundating them with all of these messages and
what they have found many experts have said it increases
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mental health issues. They're being barded constantly with these gender
fluidity conversations and constant bullying and badgering and all of that.
I think that's a great idea because when we see
a four thousand percent increase in girls transitioning, there's a
huge push.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I'm a mom.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
I know this firsthand through this internet online smartphone technology
that is reaching kids. By the way, my hat is
off to Sarah Huckby Sanders got to see her first
hand in person talk about this at a recent school
choice event in National One, and I think it's a
program that we all need to look at. And by
the way, even if your school isn't doing it, because
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that may take a while, you, as a parent, can
you can put those phones in time out? You can
put those filters on. We sure did, and we'll never
regret protecting our children from that kind of input.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Don't go anywhere, heading to a break.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
When we come back around, continue this conversation and talk
about the largest single day pardoning in history.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I'm Deborah Flora sitting in for Dan Kaplis.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Another great music cue for our conversation. Just talking with
Jennifer Say and talking about protecting girls and women in sports.
When you think about shattered dreams, when you think about
the hours that these young women put into these sports.
I remember Sealina Soul missing out on a scholarship in
Connecticut after years of hard work. That was a shattered
(18:37):
dream and that is not okay. Well, you know we're
gonna switch gears here. Bet I'm gonna wind it up.
And by the way, I want to I want to
start hearing from you because in the final segment, we're
gonna get into the holiday spirit and I want you
to text a five seven seven, three nine what your
favorite Christmas movie is. I'm gonna share one of mine
with you, and we're gonna wind it up. But right
(18:57):
now I want to hit another topic because you know,
here we are, we're heading into the holiday season. You know,
so many of us are looking at end of the
year spending. We're looking at shopping for Christmas presidents presents.
Presidents where God a Christmas president. We have a new
one coming in, but Christmas presents. But you know what, well,
(19:18):
we may be watching our budget. That is not what
is happening with the Biden administration. In fact, there's a
headline this week that said White House Chief of Staff
Jeff Zein's I believe is how you say his name,
is asking his team to sprint to the finish in
spending to cement the president's legacy. He is actually asking
(19:41):
them to spend as much money as they possibly can
before the end of this year, before the end of
Biden's presidency. And we're not just talking about small change here,
We're talking about some of them. And he's saying is
to lock in Biden's legacy. Well, Biden's legacy is overspending
an inflation, just spending more. They will be doing that,
(20:02):
but talking about roughly up to five trillion dollars in
new spending in this rush or sprint to the finish line,
as a White House chief of staff is saying.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
And as for programs like even continuing COVID nineteen.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Stimulus package, I'm sorry, we are now five years beyond that.
That is nonsense and needs to stop. And he said
that they have already spent ninety eight percent of the
funding already legally available through October, and they're looking to
spend more.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I don't know about you, but it's.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Time our government treats the money they spend like what
it really is, and that is our money, our taxpayer dollars.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
And no, they should not be trying to spend as.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Much as possible before the end of Biden's term. Well,
here's something else they're doing on a record pace. Probably
have heard this headline that Joe Biden set a record
on a single day clembing, see and pardons. Now, by
the way, in case you were winning, who the previous
record holder was? That was not surprisingly President Barack Obama.
(21:10):
He previously set the single day record by issuing three
hundred and thirty commutations during his last full day in office.
But not to be out down, Joe Biden basically set
today this record. Thirty nine people President Joe Biden pardoned
and nearly fifteen hundred sentences were commuted. Now, I haven't
(21:35):
had time to go through them all, so I am
not sure you know the veracity or whether or not
that was right or wrong.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
But that is a huge number.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
And this is not the first time he has pardoned
people or commuted their senses. But here is what is
really interesting. Joe Biden's White House Council at Siskel. He
is saying that the Biden administration is looking into whether
or not should issue even more preemptive pardons.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Let's not forget, by the.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Way, that this is after Joe Biden went against his word.
He pardoned his son, and by the way, not just
partoning him for the crimes that he pled guilty to,
but pardoned him, pardoned Hunter for any crimes he has
committed or may have committed from January first, twenty fourteen
through December first, twenty twenty four That means things we
(22:27):
don't even know that he did. I'm not sure that
that is constitutional, but I'm sure that's going to be
weighed out.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
But here is what they're trying to do.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
In addition to that, White House counsel Ed Siskell said
that they are looking to preemptive pardons for those they
basically try to describe as those that Donald Trump has
named as his political adversaries. Now, who are we talking
about in this category? Those being discussed for blanket pardons
(22:57):
are former GOP representatively Cheney, Senate elect Adam Schiff, and
doctor Anthony Fauci. So it seems as though people who
have not even been indicted is the new category of
those you're gonna be pardoned. What does that mean for
goodness sake, are we going to find out that Hunter
Biden has done something really, really really horrible that maybe
(23:19):
should put him away for life and he's already pardoned
for it. I think it's pretty darn crazy. But that's
what we're looking at. Here's the most interesting thing. And digging
a little deeper into this pardon of Joe Biden, which
by the way, is being shown to be not very
popular among the American people on either side of the aisle.
(23:40):
But I think we've all heard this analysis. The most
interesting thing about this is it made backfire because by
pardoning Hunter Biden, he no longer has his Fifth Amendment.
That means and we have actually heard some of the
members of Congress talking about bringing Hunter Biden and now
(24:00):
he can no longer plead the fifth because he is
not at risk of incriminating himself.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Why is that interesting? Boy?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
I tell you, when there was a consideration of impeaching
Joe Biden or having an impeachment inquiry, I had about
ten pages worth of things that there are questions for.
For instance, Joe and Joe Biden have a account for
ten million dollars and no one knows where it came from.
Joe Biden recently had numerous aliases. Oftentimes he was referred
(24:35):
as the big Guy, and we even have Hunter Biden
saying that he was always giving a percentage of what
he made to the big Guy. You know, I am
not necessarily interested in punishing Joe Biden after he leaves office.
I honestly think that the gentleman should just be allowed
to go into retirement quietly, and that's probably what should
(24:59):
have happened by those who have.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Encouraged him to do that long before now.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
But I do think that there is a need for
this to be exposed for this very reason. If it
is not exposed, then it will continue. But I got
to tell you these fifteen hundred commuting of sentences in
one day, this looking at pardoning in advance those who
have not even been indicted yet, would be pretty record breaking,
(25:26):
and I do not mean that in a good way.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
So we're about to head to the break.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
But here, once again, I'm already getting some great texts
coming in. I want to know what your favorite Christmas
movie is, because I'm going to summarize some of our
topics today by a movie that I love this time
of year.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
And once again, if you missed. When I was guest.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Hosting on Tuesday, I had Dallas Jenkins. He's the creator
of The Chosen, a friend of mine who directed what
is now in theaters. You can also get it streaming
the best Christmas pageant ever and that is a really,
really great instinct Christmas classic. But I'm already some great suggestions.
Text into five seven seven three nine what your favorite
(26:05):
Christmas movie is?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
And when we come back, I'm.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Gonna tell you one of mine, and why that is
going to be a call for us going forward once again.
Had Jennifer Say on the show, and she talked about
the courage of using our voice. That's kind of be
a theme of mine. That is also a Christmas movie. Well,
don't go anywhere. Text into five seven seven three nine.
That's five seven seven three nine to tell me your
(26:29):
favorite Christmas movie. And hey, just if you want to
get a little feisty here, I'm throwing down the gauntlet.
Die Hard is not a Christmas movie was released in July. Ryan,
do you have an argument for me on that?
Speaker 5 (26:42):
We may have a musical hint?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Oh, okay, there we go. We may have a little
cue coming back, but I'm gonna throw down that gauntlet.
It is not a Christmas movie.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I gotta tell you. Bruce Willis said it was released
in July. There we go. End of story.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Although, by the way, the difference in genders and I
do believe there is. My husband and our son think
it is a Christmas movie. My our daughter and myself
do not think it is a Christmas movie. But I
want to hear what yours is five seven seven three nine,
don't go anywhere. I'm Deborah Flora sitting in for Dan Kaplis.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
And now back to the Dan Kapless Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Well, this is Deborah Flora's singing for Dan Caplas. Thank
you Ryan for that little gem. I'd say that is
about as much of a Christmas song as Diehard is
a Christmas movie.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
It's funny that you say that, because I know if
your husband Jonathan's listening, he's cheering his radio right now,
because that song Christmas and Hollis by Run dmc is
featured in die Hard when the limel driver argyle is
dropping off John McClean that, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
What, You have a point there, But let's review the
facts of why it is not actually a Christmas movie.
Despite when I'm getting from some of these texts here,
which I will address in a moment. Here's a definition
of a Christmas movie for me. First of all, if
you remove Christmas, could it take place in any other way?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (28:00):
It could have been a New Year's party. It could
have just been an office party. It could have been
an attempt at reconciliation. It was released in July and
Bruce Willis said it was not a Christmas movie.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
I think of Christmas.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
I think of Hans Gruber following from the Nacotoma Plaza.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
You know, nothing says the gift that keeps giving, like
getting rid of people who aren't really terrorists anyway, They
were just after the money. You know, I think that
is a very fair Well, Ryan, what is your favorite
Christmas movie?
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Diehard?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
No, I would say disqualified. Disqualified.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Here's another kind of question that along lines what you're saying.
Would you say it's a wonderful life? Is a Christmas
That is.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
A great point.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
And I have to you know, I had one Texture say,
you know, top choice for me, It's a wonderful Life,
But seriously, Diehard is a close third. Now, thank you
Texture for that fun comment. You know, we do watch
It's a wonderful life on Christmas Eve. Now, it could
take place somewhere else. But here's the other thing I
think defines a Christmas movie.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
What is the theme? Is it redemption? Is it family?
Is it warmth? Is it community?
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Or is it.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Killing terrorists and throwing it at the Nagasaki Building. I mean,
you know, there's a slightly different feel there, so I
think I think that is a different aspect. You know,
arguments could be made about It's a wonderful life, that's
for sure.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
I see a couple of votes here for Gremlins, so
that's that's another one. It does take in the Magua.
I mean that was a Christmas gift gizmo. Technically a
couple here though that trigger memories for me. Home Alone
is a pretty phenomenal Christmas movie in my mind, and
my favorite all time is Elf.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
It's so great.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, I got to tell you when we saw that,
it was the first time and I looked at my husband.
We have a background in the entertainment industry. He was
a producer at Walt Disney studiosun till it got two woke.
But when we watched that, our hat was off to
John Favreau because he created an immediate Christmas classic.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
It was way back to the old days. But thank
you for that. Ryan.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I will now take the mic completely away from you
because you were arguing four dive hard hold on you
guys are forgetting the best one, which one a Christmas story.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Oh it's so good. Thank you so much for that. Kelly.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Absolutely are Once again, I think that's a little bit
more of a guy version, but it is because my
husband and our son love that and it really is
heartwarming in that way.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
But I love all of these. Thank you, Kelly.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I think that is an awesome one. I would add
to that Christmas Chronicles. That's actually a new one. We
call him Salty Santa. That's Kurt Russell in a new one,
the Santa Claus movies. But thank you for all of
these great comments. Here's what I want to end with.
This movie that I'm going to share is in a
way a Christmas movie, and in Waite is not a
Christmas movie because I'm breaking my own rule. There is
(30:44):
a movie I want to kind of summarize. This last hour,
which was we had Jennifer Say talking about protecting girls,
sports and safe spaces had several great textures text in
about why that is so needed. I was talking about
Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the governor of Arkansas, now passing a
law to keep cell phones out of schools because we
(31:05):
know that the mental health of children is plummeting. So
I want to end with this as I wish you
all going into a merry Christmas season. There's a movie
called Rise of the Guardians. It's an animated movie. Chris
Pine as the voice of Jack frost Out Baldwin, believe
it or not, is the voice of their Santa Claus
version Nicholas Saint North. He's a big Russian guy. But
(31:27):
here's why it's a great movie for us to keep
in mind. And I had a privilege to speak at
a school choice event recently, and I use this analogy
in Rise of the Guardians.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
And by the way, don't read the book. The book
gets weird. The movie is awesome.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Why this matters is because there is a moment in
this movie where Pitch, who represents a Boogeyman, is going
around and stealing, stealing the innocence of children. He's literally
stamping out the lights all over the glow. We see this,
and it is chilling when you think about how similar
it really is. He is replacing Sandman represents dreams, He's
(32:05):
replacing them with nightmares.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
You have the Tooth Fairy.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
She represents and she is the guardian of memories, and
children are now having dread instead.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
You have Jack.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Frost, who is the guardian of fun, and now children
instead are walking around morose and moping. And then you
have you know, the Easter Bunny, who is the guardian
of hope. And then you have Santa Claus Nicholas, Saint North,
who is the guardian of wonder. What are all of
those things have in common? They define childhood. They rise
(32:40):
up as the guardians of childhood and try to stop
the darkness that is taking over the globe and the
country so that the innocence of children can be preserved.
I love that movie for that reason. Now listen, you
can watch it at Easter because.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
It can close over Easter.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
You can watch it Saint Patrick's Day, you can watch
it at Christmas time whenever you want to.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
But here's what I want to say.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
We today, particularly in this holiday season, that should be
about wonder, should be about joy. We can be the
ones that speak up, like Jennifer Say and others rather
Gaines Paula Scanlon, who have had on my show.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
We can be the ones to stand up and go
back to protecting the innocence of children.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
It's time to say to people, you know what, classrooms
are not places that should be politicized. Children are not
people that should be part of some kind of social experiment.
It is time to say we get to be the
ones to say enough and push back. We're going to
be the guardians of childhood. We're going to be the
ones to make sure that this mental health crisis amongst
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our kids is reversed.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
And they just get to be kids.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Let's not be afraid to speak up about that, because
I believe that we are in the majority. We've just
been bullied into being silent. But it is time to
stand up and be a guardian. Okay, so I kind
of set you guys up. That wasn't really a Christmas movie,
but it's one that I think olli.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Us should take away.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
But here's how I'll connect all the stories as well.
Those drones being seen, mysterious ones are not Santa Claus
going across you know the skyline. You know, all of
these things to come together. I am grateful for every
listener that we can stand together, we can make a
difference in our day, we can make our voices be heard,
and we can say enough of the nonsense. Let's do
(34:29):
be the guardians of children, of childhood and of the
values we share. I want to say, in case I'm
not behind this mic before the holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah,
God bless you. I'm Deborah Flora, sitting in for Dan Kaplis.
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