February 24, 2025 • 35 mins
In the first hour of today's edition of The Dan Caplis Show, Heidi Ganahl fills in for Dan and shares her perspective on the Democrats' tantrum over President Trump's second term. Heidi also looks at how the Republicans can keep stacking victories.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Well, Happy Monday, Colorado. It's Heidi Ganal filling in for
Dan Caplis. I'm really happy to be here. There has
been so much going on. I like to say every
day is like Christmas right now. Ryan, I mean, there
are so many things happening. It's making everybody's head spin,
especially the Democrats. I mean last night, Dan Bongino, I
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mean I think he became enemy number one and out
and displaced Cash Ptel.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
What do you think.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
He's definitely making liberals headspin. He's been very combative in
his own podcast and radio show, and he has not
been shy about it whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
And it's just I go back to this quote from
John Fetterman.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
He appeared with the Ladies on the View and he
gave some sage advice as.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
He has wont to do, but they won't.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
It's like we can't be like cats with the red
laser beam following around every little thing.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
That Donald Trump does.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
They don't pick their battles, their scattershot, they don't have
a targeted approach.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
They just have these knee jerk.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Responses, threat to democracy, Nazi hitler, blah blah blah. And meanwhile,
like you just said, oh, punch one, here's cash. Buttell,
by the way, uppercut, Dan Bongino, Deputy FBI Director, what
are you going to do about it?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
I love that analogy.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I was at the leadership program of the Rockies retreat
over the weekend and at the Broad Moor and Newt
Ginrick was the speaker on Friday night.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
I love this saying he came up with.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
He goes, now, there's the traditional maha we all love,
make America healthy again. But he has a two point
zero another maha that we should integrate, and that is
make America honest again. And I think with Doge and
everything that's coming clean on that, with the exposing what
happened with JFK and the Epstein files and all of that,
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what's happening with Ukraine and what we're finding out about
what's really gone on there, and in education with Title nine,
I mean, we're exposing all this stuff and it is
shock and awe. But I do think make America honest again,
what a great, great tagline. And I do think that
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it's hard to argue on the Democrat side that that
isn't a good goal.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Well, and it's something James Carville said here, and I
guess we'll just come out of the gate with its
I have the sound on this side.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
But when one of the greatest.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Strategists and minds of the Democratic Party, at least in
this generation and certainly over the last thirty years, when
his best advice to Democrats is to lay low, stay
out of sight, say nothing, not even be seen, and
don't be heard. I mean, that's the best he's got.
Just listen to what he says here about Elizabeth Lawren.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
But what I've said very public said, Democrats need to
play possum.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
This whole thing is collapsing.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
It doesn't need Elizabeth Warren and somebody's screaming to pacify
some progressive adversing groups in Washington, which, by the way,
I wish.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
These people were just useless.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
They're actually worse than useless.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
That they're detrimental and they never ever learned to shut up.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
He is a character I do like listening to him
raging Cajun. He does not hold back, and we have
our own folks who don't hold back. And it's interesting
to see how the anti Trumpers or the never trumpers
are reacting to everything that's going on too. They've been
pretty quiet overall, I would say, in Colorado not so much.
They're actually trying to kind of take credit for some
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of these things happening.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
I saw or I.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Heard at the retreat, which really ticked me off. I'm like,
where have you been for the last four years as
we battled all these horrible things going on against Donald Trump?
And you know, everybody and their brother wants to know
say that they were the original Doge.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
But I'm I'm going to be one of those people.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I mean, I talked about going to zero income tax
and reducing the size of bureaucracy by ten percent a
year in the first term, forty percent overall, and people
thought I was nuts. The liberal media went crazy. How
on earth could she say that she's insane, we can't
reduce bureaucracy, she will leave kids starving on the street.
And I was like, well, there's plenty of waste and fraud.
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I think we could cut ten percent right there, absolutely not,
there is no waste in fraud.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
And Jared Poulus would stand.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
On the debate stage and smile and say, absolutely not.
Everything's wonderful. Everything's wonderful.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
I love those debates because you just flattened them, and
every one of them was entertaining to watch.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I had my popcorn ready and everything.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
But it's just factually inaccurate to suggest that there isn't waste,
fraud and abuse. Barack Obama, when he was president was
talking about this sort of thing and.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Designing a task force.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Al Gore was appointed to head that up in Bill
Clinton's first term. It's what he ran on as a
moderate Democrat. And to his credit and Gingrich has who
you mentioned earlier, they passed two balanced budgets in Clinton's
second term in office.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
And I think back, like you said.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
These never trumpers, these neo cons that are left in
the past, the dust spin of history when it comes
to our party right now, I just think backhiding. I
was a very strong supporter of George W. Bush in
two thousand and four, and I remember all the promises
he made on the campaign trail. What he won on,
did he govern on that, did he enact those policies.
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Did he sign executive orders?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
No?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
And so when even the Democrats join in in this
recent poll, I think was CBS News saying, yeah, seventy
percent of Americans say, Hey, Trump's doing what he said
he was going to do and running on it.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I mean the flurry of activity with executive orders.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Donald Trump promise has made promises kept even better than
he did in the first term, knowing the lay of
the land and the landscape politically, and that he's going
to need Acts of Congress.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
To make these things stick.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
But he doesn't need one to write the executive orders
and get the ball rolling. And so I don't know
that you could view this first month in office, Heidi's
anything other than an unmitigated success for Donald Trump and
everything that we voted for.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I agree with you, and I'm a little worried about Congress.
They seem to be moving a little slow. I want
to see more a sense of urgency with the Senate
and the House of Representatives, but specifically our congressional members, like,
come on, guys, get it together, let's move on. Let's
get a budget across the finish line so that we
can really deep dive in and get some of these
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executive orders put into long term play through legislation. And
there is no excuse, no excuse for us to not
go all in to get these things memorialized. And if
they don't do the right things, then let's get ready
and let's primary a lot of people who don't play
ball correctly. Now we've got four congressmen out of the
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eight in Colorado, congressmen and a woman, and I believe
they're fighters. They're going to go in, they're going to
try and do the right things. They're going to get
what we want past they We've got to stop having
to deal with the Colorado GOP care race every day
and the drama around that. It's ridiculous and it's wasting
everybody's time, the back and forth, the lawsuits, that why
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can't we all just get along? And so I sat
on my podcast the other day. My Unleashed podcast is
back out there. I put one out yesterday, it's out
on social media today, and I kind of go off
about how.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
You know, what we can agree on.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
We can all agree that we don't like what's happening
in Colorado. We don't like what the Democrats are doing
in Colorado. We can also all agree, except for a
few never trumpers, which whatever, we can all agree that
we love what's happening nationally, that what's happening in the
White House is what we want here in Colorado.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
So if we just agree.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
On those two things, why does anything else matter?
Speaker 5 (07:49):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
And most of the people running for the different positions
and the different offices and the different county chair positions,
everybody pretty much agree on policy. I think that's what
I feel on the ground as I travel the state,
like if all of these people were in Congress, they
would all vote the same way.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
It's just it's this purity test. It's sys some what
if contests. What if this were to happen, What if
this vote came up?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Well, we need to deal in what is real, and
I'm going to dig into that in the next segment
and talk about numbers around unaffiliateds, around Republicans, around turnout
and actually look at the data, because I think at
this point we need to put a motion aside and
look at data, numbers, the reality of the situation we're
in Colorado and figure out how to get a path forward.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Knowing exactly what we need to do, how many voters.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
We need to bring across what those voters resonate with
message wise, and I have some input from some polsters
on that front too. I'll tease it a little bit.
One thing we should not talk about here in Colorado.
For whatever reason. Colorado's do not want the Department of
Education torn down, So we've got to be careful.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Around I do.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I think it's the right thing to do block grant
that money back to the states, but they're worried. Republicans
are worried that that money's of course going to go
into the wrong hands here in Colorado and be spent
the wrong way. And Democrats just think it's a terrible
thing and that education is going to get even worse
than it is, which in Colorado that's pretty hard to do.
Our kids can't read, write, or do math at grade level.
So we're going to deep dive right now. We're going
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to take a break. We'll be back after this. Heidi
ganall in for Dan Kaplis.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Oh, Bryan, that's so sad.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I know we lost her bird of Flack and wow,
she lived a full life age of eighty eight and
of course, this is one of a handful of top
charting hits that she had. Her biggest hit'll be coming
up next. Oh okay, you'll recognize it. She beautiful pea music,
tremendous voice.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Okay, So talk about something equally as sad, the state
of the Republican Party in Colorado, the conservative movement.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Ouch.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I don't even know where to start, Ryan. I took
a lot of notes, I did some digging on different data.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Here's where we are, guys.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
We need to flip about four hundred and fifty thousand
votes in Colorado to win statewide. And I'm going to
break this down. There's three point seven million registered voters
in Colorado, and of those a lot are unaffiliateds.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
We've got one point eight million.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Unaffiliated registered voters or they're not they're unaffiliated, so they're
not registered Republican or Democrat. If you take the unaffiliateds
that tend to vote Democrat, that's about sixty percent. So
out of all the affiliated, it's about sixty percent typically
vote in the last couple elections Democrat. Forty percent vote Republican.
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So if you take that and subtract that one point
one million minus about seven hundred and thirty eight thousand.
It's four hundred and fifty one thousand is the difference.
So that's where I get the four hundred thousand gap.
Now where are we going to get those folks? Well,
we've got a lot of voters.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
That didn't vote in the last couple elections.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So about two million in the twenty two election did
not vote, like Democrat and unaffiliated and Republican, and then
you've got Republicans who only voted. About seventy percent of
Republicans voted. Thirty percent of Republicans did not vote in
the general election, and I think that's both elections.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Overall.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
In twenty twenty four, about seventy percent of Colorado registered
active voters voted, So there are tons of people who
do not vote. We do not have a registration problem
in Colorado. A lot of people are like get scot
prosts are out here to register people. It's actually more
of a get people to vote and get the right
people to vote problem here in Colorado. So we need
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every Republican to vote that's registered Republican if the election
were tomorrow, and that would add about two hundred and
fifty thousand to our vote total statewide.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
And then we need.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
All of the unaffiliateds that have voted Republican in the
last couple elections to vote. And then we need two
about two hundred thousand more to come to our side
from the people who have voted Democrat, the unaffiliated who
have voted Democrat. And that depends on Republican turnout. I said,
if every Republican turned out, we would need two hundred thousand.
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If only seventy percent turnout, then we need four hundred
and fifty thousand to come our way. So it's a
daunting task. But what I've been trying to tell people
is you are the leader you've been waiting for in
this party. You are the leader of your neighborhood. You
are the leader of your sphere of influence. Make a
list of everyone you know who's like minded, and then
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get to know all your neighbors better. You can get
to know your precinct chair, which is basically your neighborhood
cheerleader for the conservative movement in your neighborhood. You can
find out who that is by calling the Colorado GOP,
I mean the county GOP.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
And asking and they'll connect you.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
And if there isn't one, because there are tons of
vacancies for precinct chairs around this state. Volunteer to be
that person. It's not hard, it's not brain surgery.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
We can do this.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
And I've had brain surgery, so I can say that.
So you've got to start local. You've got to get
active in your neighborhood. You have to attend your county commissioners,
city council, school board race meetings. Don't do it on zoom,
go live, and even if you can only go for
a part of it, and have your little two minute
speech ready and get up there and say your peace.
And then get to know your elected officials in your
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local neighborhood and start to communicate with them about what
you like, what you don't like, Republican and Democrat. And then, guys,
we have got to got to got to focus on
issues that are going to be okay to talk about
with everybody. And I've been talking to the pollsters about
this about Colorado and where things stand, and there are
two things that people are totally fired up about on
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both sides that are okay to talk about. We have
from perspectives about how to solve those problems. But what
is the economy?
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Inflation? Affordability.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And the other is crime, and that includes illegal immigration,
sanctuary state status, it includes all of those things that
we're dealing with in Colorado, fentanyl. So you've got crime,
and you've got the economy crime and the economy of
the economy and crime.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Those are the things we should be talking.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
About when we're out chatting with our neighbors, when we're
testifying on a bill, when we're testifying to our county
commissioners or city council. It works magic and find little
places where you can agree, like, Hey, it's really expensive
to go out to eat lately, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Well, yeah, it is. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Ask a lot of questions, as I learned in sales,
because I was in sales a lot of my life.
You should be listening most of the time and learning
and asking questions and finding out what makes people tick.
And what I learned from the polsters that what makes
people tick in Colorado the unaffiliated voters, the famous unaffiliated voters.
And we're really talking about the four hundred and fifty
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thousand or two hundred thousand, whatever number you want to use,
between two hundred and fifty and five hundred thousand people
that we need to swing our way to change this state.
It's the economy and it's crime, and the Democrats are
handing us a gift with this. They are making every
bad decision they possibly can at the legislature, in the
governor's mansion, in Congress, the Democrats are making every bad decision.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
They can and they do not have anything to stand on.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
As James Carvill said, be quiet, sit down and be quiet. Well,
I'm asking you not to sit down and be quiet,
but to stand up, speak out, get out of your house,
talk to folks, and start now. We cannot wait until
the elections here. We've got some very very critical school
board elections coming up this fall. How about we start
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in Jefferson County, Colorado, where, oh my goodness, every other
day it's a different story. God bless Lindsay dot Co
with jeff co Kiss. First, she's so patient, so she's
so kind in the way she approaches the criticism of
what's happening. I won't be as kind. It's really messed up.
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And if it's not a better I don't know a
better time to elect different people to the Jefferson County
school Board. You guys should watch some of those meetings.
I watched the last one. I encouraged everybody to do that,
and a whopping I don't know thirty people showed up
online to watch it. I'm like, do you guys not
read all the articles about what's happening with teachers being
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accused of sexual misconduct and a teacher who groomed a
student who now I think still lives with the teacher
on California. She's past eighteen now, but their story after
story so at In just a few minutes, we're going
to have the infamous George Brockler.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
On with us.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Infamous is a great word for him.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
It's a sure thing, George. It's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
He is our district attorney for he's district attorney down
in Douglas County, and.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
It's so great to have a fighter.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
It's great to have a fighter compared to all the
stuff that's going on in California. And we're going to
talk about the sanctuary state issue. We're going to talk
about what's happening in Jefferson County, and we're really just
going to break down how do we change what's happening
as parents, as Republicans, as unaffiliateds who might be open
to voting differently. What will we do differently if we
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govern to stop this stuff from happening.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Now you're hearing it from the White House.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You're hearing no more boys playing in girls' sports, no
more DEI, no more of this stuff happening in our schools,
or you're going to lose funding. Like that's what needs
to happen from the top. We're going to talk about
what needs to happen here in Colorado and from the
ground up.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
So this is.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Heidigan All filling in for Dan Kaplis. We'll be back
right after the break with George Brockler.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
You're listening to the Dan Capless Show podcast.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Hello, Happy Monday.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
It's Heidi Ganal filling in for Dan Caplis, and I'm
very excited to have a friend and my district attorney,
George Brockler, on the line. Hello George, Happy Monday.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
Happy Monday. It was great seeing you and Jason over
the weekend.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
That was fun.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
We were talking a little bit about the OPR retree
and nuke Ginrick.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Saying make America honest again. I love that.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
I think some of the funniest stuff came out of
a speaker nude, especially when he said, a look the
difference between conservatives and the liberals that they view The
Lion King as a documentary, you know what I mean,
Like he says, lions eat gazelle's and they say no, no,
no no. They sing and dance together.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
They get along great. That was hilarious. That was That
was a crazy weekend.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I mean, I love that weekend because it's like six
hundred patriots in one place and we haven't seen each other,
most of us, in like a year, and everybody stays
I mean stays up pretty much all night, like till
three or four in the morning, hanging out talking.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
And then you get up and you're like, oh my god,
I forgot how old I am. Oh that was.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
That was. That's right, still recovering.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
So George Colorado was not recovering yet.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
And I love what you've been saying about what's happening
with this push that I mean, Paulus is basically saying
we're not a sanctuary state, and you're saying, oh, yes
we are, So tell us what the distinction is there?
Speaker 7 (19:52):
Yeah, in fact, there was a westward article of all places.
I'll sit down with anybody to do an interview and
Westwood came out to interview me on this, and I
told them the same thing, like, it doesn't matter what
the governor or mayor Johnston say. They could call it
happy fun town. What really matters is the policy and
the different approaches that they take to this. And when
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we have changed our laws multiple times to make it
less painful for illegal immigrants to commit crimes in the
jurisdiction and to avoid facing deportation for the commission of
those crimes, and they've done it, and to keep probation
from reporting the fact that they have convicted criminal illegal
aliens that they're supervising here even though America says you
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shouldn't be here. They can't communicate that with ice. You
have a sanctuary state. But oh, by the way, then
they add on the other things, like well, let's make
illegal immigrants eligible for housing assistance and to get licensure
in things like hairdressing and other things that are licensed
so they can compete with citizens and people who are
legal residents. You've created an environment that is not just
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welcoming but invited. It begs legal immigrants to come here
and set up shop. And that's what we've seen over
the past. I don't know five ten years now.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
So what do you do differently, like now that you're
in office, what do you tactically do every day to
beat back against this and what can't you fix or do?
Speaker 7 (21:17):
Yeah, some of the limitations are on the lack of
knowledge that we have about all the people that are
in our jails and the people that are in our system.
What the public should end is full transparency, and the
legislature has really operated from an ignorance's bliss approach to this,
which is, hey, if we don't allow law enforcement to
collect this information or to coordinate information with ice, then
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nobody can ever run study that says, hey, twenty five
to thirty five percent of all the crime and the
jurisdiction are in the state is committed by people who
are here illegally. Now I made that number up, but
I'd have to because we can't know the number right.
So part of the problem is we're in an information
deficit and maybe an information desert. And so for us,
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approach is where we know that someone will be negatively
impacted by the results of their criminal conduct, I take
no affirmative stats to lessen that impact. So there are
some jurisdictions historically, and even now that we'll try to
do something called an immigration friendly plea, I do no
such thing. You are going to get the same plea bargain.
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Whether you're here legally, illegally, citizen, non citizen, legal resident,
doesn't matter. You come here and break the law. Your
expectation should be you're treated the same by the law.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
That's good. That's good.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So is Paul's changing his tune on like in the
tactics of what he's doing and allowing his staff and
bureaucracy to do. Or is everything staying the same. His
rhetoric's just changing.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
Yeah, he's changed his rhetoric. And if you listen, he's
a smart guy, I mean the governor. For people that
want to dismiss him, they're making a mistake because he's
politically pragmatic in a way that you don't see from
Phil Wiser. Like Phil Wiser is not just human shock
in terms of delivery of the message, but he does
not have the nuanced appreciation for these things. The way
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Governor polls and his team do it just makes them very,
very different, even though they're both successful in elections. The
governor has changed his tun if you listen to what
he talks about. He's like, we're not a sanctuary state
because we cooperate with ICE for violent felons and violent criminals.
That part might be true, but it's limited to just
the violent ones.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
It's not.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
It doesn't encompass things like your retail theft rings or
your other property crime committers, your burglars, whether it's a
businesses or residences. The chronic drunk drivers that we have
who have had two or three bites at the apple,
even though they shouldn't be here to begin with those
parts we don't have the same level of cooperation and
coordination with. But where people should feel really encouraged is
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that you had a willing participant in that ignorance piece
under the Biden administration for ICE. And if anybody has
listened to a single word out of Tom Holman's mouth,
President Trump got elected, those days be over. And now
you have an ICE that at least appears to be
interested in trying to deport the people that are visiting
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crime on our communities.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
And how big of a problem is this in Colorado?
I mean, when I was running, I heard a lot
about the I twenty five corridor and the federal trafficking,
the human trafficking. Is it as big of a problem
as it appeared to be, then.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
Yeah, yeah, Listen, Colorado is unique when it comes to
human trafficking because what you have found statistically is that
human trafficking is biggest in places that have major highways
federal highways that run through them, and also associated with
cities that have major sports teams. Well, I twenty five
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and I seventy converge right there in Denver with the
Broncos and the Abs, and arguably the Rockies are major League.
I'm kidding. I love the Rockies, just want them to
be better and.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
All this other stuff. So we do.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
We have historically human trafficking issues, and there is a
role that the cartels in illegal groups play in those
as well. And it's not just women, and it's not
just folks south of the border. This takes place from
people from all over the world. They get brought here
under false pretenses and then they're either their visas or
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if they have a passport, their passports or whatever withheld
from them so that they end up in servitude to
the people that are kind of controlling them and using
them for these largely sexual purposes.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
All right, So talking about human trafficking, let's talk about
what happened at Columine High School with the student who
was I would call it trafficked to go live with
her predator, who was a teacher. Like, what the heck
is going on in Jefferson County.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
I don't know. I grew up in Jeffcoe. I'm a
Lakewood kid. I went to Belmar Elementary, Carmody Junior High,
Bear Creek High School. I mean, I still have family
that lives in Jeffcoe. I don't know what's going on there,
but for one of the largest school districts in the state,
they have some explaining to do here. Now, again, I'm
not privy to what has taken place in terms of
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any investigation. I don't know any more than you guys
do from reading this. But as a guy who's got
a prosecutor's mind in a father's heart, I have significant
concerns with what has not taken place. So when I'm
told by the media that there are forms, federal forms
that are filled out by administrators that advance aknown lie
about the homelessness of this kid, that to me seems
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like a fraudulent or even forged document. There has to
be some federal law that creates a penalty for that,
and for anyone that's ever filled out a federal form
you know, at the bottom in teeny tiny language it says,
I swear that these things are true under penalty of
perjury and all this other stuff. Someone's got to look
into that. I don't know if someone has already and
has said, hey, we don't think we have enough here,
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but we're going to get a new US attorney in
the state of Colorado over the next six to twelve months,
and that's going to be a Trump appointed US attorney.
They have the ability to look into this stuff. The
other things are, how can the school district get away
with an oops, I'm sorry approach to this? I put
out an apology like, well, what the mistakes were made
and things should have had It's like, dudes and dodets
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should be let go from education. I don't care if
they were the Jesus of public education up to that moment.
You participate in this charade. You are Dunnsville.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
It is over.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
I don't know why that hasn't happened.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Well, thank you, district's attorney Brockler and I'm glad you're
my district attorney in Douglas County. I love jeffco too,
but man, I just every day it's a new story
over there and parents really need to wake up and
understand what's going on. Thanks George for all you do,
and I'm excited to see you make a big splash
fighting back against this stuff. I know you will, and
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would love to chat with you more on air soon.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Happy to do that.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
One quick thing. We have three pending cases against educators
in this jurisdiction. Oh wow, presumed innocent and I don't
want to get into the details, but we've got three.
How is it that some people can show up to
a school and see kids that want to learn and
others see a romantic opportunity. Oh don't get it.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
That is just horrible, horrible.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
It's disgusting, and thank you for taking a stern approach
to that. And I hope that justice prevails whichever way
it goes.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
But I'm glad you're doing that.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
Thanks. Thanks Ryan.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
All right, Well, this is Heidi Ganal filling in for
Dan Kaplis. That was District Attorney George Brockler talking about
crime and what's happening in our schools in Colorado, which
is pretty disturbing. And we will be back after this
break to talk more.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
And now back to the Dan Capliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
That music just puts me in a zone, like in
a really happy zone.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Like good day zone for those of you driving home
from work or paying tribute to the late ROBERTA.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Flak who passed away at the age of eighty eight today.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Gosh, that's sad. Well, Onto, as I opened last time, more.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Said Stoff talking about the Colorado Republican Party state.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
And I love my Republicans. I love my party. It's
like family to me.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
And who are you most brutally honest with?
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
There you go, because I want things to get better, same,
I know, Ryan.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
So we've got to talk about this opt out thing.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
It is so confusing and it's what is riling up
the whole Republican Party right now. And if you're not
into like deep dive, you know, Republican party stuff, just
kind of stick with us for a few minutes, and
I would love feedback. If you are into this stuff,
you can call us at three zho three seven one
three eight two five five, or you can text five
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seven seven three nine to Dan and I will get
that text message and I'll address your questions or comments.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
But there's two things going on here.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
A lot of.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
People are saying, oh, I'm going to vote, I'm going
to I want so and so to be chair of
the GOP in Colorado because I want unaffiliateds to not
be able to vote in Republican primaries. And then there's
other people who are like, no, no, no, we need
to bring more people in.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
You heard me.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Talk about those numbers if you were listening in the
first segment, where we have one point eight million unaffiliated voters,
and of those voters, sixty percent typically vote Democrat in
Colorado in the last few elections and forty percent vote Republican.
So we need all those ones that typically vote Republican,
and we need to bring over a few hundred thousand
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from the ones that typically vote Democrat. So if we
do away with the primary, which is what the vote
is actually on, if we do a vote on what
they can vote on the central Committee, Sorry, stick with me,
this is really complicated. So if these folks get elected
and they have a vote, they could even do it
now before before the chair race technically, but it will
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probably be after a new chair is elected, they'll vote
and they'll say we want to get out of the
primary completely. They have to have seventy five percent of
the Central Committee, which is about I think it's about
four hundred and fifty people, and I am a bonus member.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
I'm on that committee now for Douglas County.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
So seventy five percent of those folks have to vote
to opt out of a primary. And what that means
is there will be no primary as we know it.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
It will strictly.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Go through a caucus or assembly process, and it's not
like it is now. So what will happen is one
candidate will have to come out of that assembly. So
that's typically if you get thirty percent, you get on
the ballot, and there's usually a couple of people in
the primary and it's raucous, and then all the Republicans
and unaffiliates who pick a Republican ballot gets to vote,
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and then you get your candidate that goes on the
general election to go up against the Democrats. Well this
in this case, you won't be able to petition on
like some candidates do, and there won't be multiple people
coming out of assembly. It'll be one person, one person.
And so there's a couple problems with this.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
One is you you will not.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Get a primary ballot if you are a Republican in
this state. So the only way you'll be able to
be involved in picking our primary candidate is to get
a seat at that assembly, and they have not determined
what the rules are for that. We've got, you know,
nine hundred thousand Republican voters registered Republicans in this state.
How are they going to hear the most people possible
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because usually that assembly is about three or four thousand people.
So that's the first problem. If you're a registered Republican
and you're not part of the assembly process, you will
not have a say in who the primary goes to.
The other thing is the unaffiliated voters will still get
a Democrat primary ballot. They will still get when now
right now, they get both, they get a Democrat and
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a Republican ballot in the mail and they have to
pick one.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
They cannot turn both.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
In, and so they will still get the Democrat ballot,
but they won't get a Republican ballot anymore. So they'll
just get one ballot and they'll think, oh, okay, I'm
going to vote for this person and the likelihood that
they vote again for that person in the general election.
Psychologically it's pretty strong like they're probably gonna do that.
And so I think we're shooting ourselves in the foot
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if we literally opt out of having a primary as
we know it now.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Now, Do I.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Agree that Republicans should be able to pick their primary
candidate and Democrats should be able to pick their primary candidate,
and unaffiliated.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
Should pick a side. Yeah, I tend to go towards that.
And there's a.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Lawsuit going through the system right now that was filed
with I believe Kevin Lamberg is the head of that lawsuit,
and it's with the GOP because they tried it before
without the GOP and they wouldn't let the judge wouldn't
let that go. So it's going through the courts right now.
It's called the Claremont Institute lawsuit. And if you are
interested in not doing the whole opt out like they're
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talking about now, where we don't have a primary pretty
much we have a primary or not as it stands now,
then and you still don't want unaffiliates to be able
to vote in the Republican primary, then you need to
support that lawsuit, and you can donate to the Claarmont
Institute and help them. It's going to be a while
before that gets decided. I think they're in disclosure or
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they're doing all the research right now in the case.
So that's your option. You can support that lawsuit and
see where the courts fall out and say they would
say the whole thing was constitutional. So my understanding is
the Democrats and Republicans would fall under that, like the
whole ballot initiative that we voted on was unconstitutional.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
So I know that was super complicated.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
If you have questions or want to call in after
the break, please do and I'll take the call and
we'll chat about it. This is Heidigan All filling in
for Dan Caplis. We'll see after the break.
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Well, Happy Monday, Colorado. It's Heidi Ganal filling in for
Dan Caplis. I'm really happy to be here. There has
been so much going on. I like to say every
day is like Christmas right now. Ryan, I mean, there
are so many things happening. It's making everybody's head spin,
especially the Democrats. I mean last night, Dan Bongino, I
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mean I think he became enemy number one and out
and displaced Cash Ptel.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
What do you think.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
He's definitely making liberals headspin. He's been very combative in
his own podcast and radio show, and he has not
been shy about it whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
And it's just I go back to this quote from
John Fetterman.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
He appeared with the Ladies on the View and he
gave some sage advice as.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
He has wont to do, but they won't.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
It's like we can't be like cats with the red
laser beam following around every little thing.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
That Donald Trump does.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
They don't pick their battles, their scattershot, they don't have
a targeted approach.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
They just have these knee jerk.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Responses, threat to democracy, Nazi hitler, blah blah blah. And meanwhile,
like you just said, oh, punch one, here's cash. Buttell,
by the way, uppercut, Dan Bongino, Deputy FBI Director, what
are you going to do about it?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
I love that analogy.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I was at the leadership program of the Rockies retreat
over the weekend and at the Broad Moor and Newt
Ginrick was the speaker on Friday night.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
I love this saying he came up with.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
He goes, now, there's the traditional maha we all love,
make America healthy again. But he has a two point
zero another maha that we should integrate, and that is
make America honest again. And I think with Doge and
everything that's coming clean on that, with the exposing what
happened with JFK and the Epstein files and all of that,
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what's happening with Ukraine and what we're finding out about
what's really gone on there, and in education with Title nine,
I mean, we're exposing all this stuff and it is
shock and awe. But I do think make America honest again,
what a great, great tagline. And I do think that
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it's hard to argue on the Democrat side that that
isn't a good goal.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Well, and it's something James Carville said here, and I
guess we'll just come out of the gate with its
I have the sound on this side.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
But when one of the greatest.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Strategists and minds of the Democratic Party, at least in
this generation and certainly over the last thirty years, when
his best advice to Democrats is to lay low, stay
out of sight, say nothing, not even be seen, and
don't be heard. I mean, that's the best he's got.
Just listen to what he says here about Elizabeth Lawren.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
But what I've said very public said, Democrats need to
play possum.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
This whole thing is collapsing.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
It doesn't need Elizabeth Warren and somebody's screaming to pacify
some progressive adversing groups in Washington, which, by the way,
I wish.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
These people were just useless.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
They're actually worse than useless.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
That they're detrimental and they never ever learned to shut up.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
He is a character I do like listening to him
raging Cajun. He does not hold back, and we have
our own folks who don't hold back. And it's interesting
to see how the anti Trumpers or the never trumpers
are reacting to everything that's going on too. They've been
pretty quiet overall, I would say, in Colorado not so much.
They're actually trying to kind of take credit for some
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of these things happening.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
I saw or I.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Heard at the retreat, which really ticked me off. I'm like,
where have you been for the last four years as
we battled all these horrible things going on against Donald Trump?
And you know, everybody and their brother wants to know
say that they were the original Doge.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
But I'm I'm going to be one of those people.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I mean, I talked about going to zero income tax
and reducing the size of bureaucracy by ten percent a
year in the first term, forty percent overall, and people
thought I was nuts. The liberal media went crazy. How
on earth could she say that she's insane, we can't
reduce bureaucracy, she will leave kids starving on the street.
And I was like, well, there's plenty of waste and fraud.
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I think we could cut ten percent right there, absolutely not,
there is no waste in fraud.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
And Jared Poulus would stand.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
On the debate stage and smile and say, absolutely not.
Everything's wonderful. Everything's wonderful.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
I love those debates because you just flattened them, and
every one of them was entertaining to watch.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I had my popcorn ready and everything.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
But it's just factually inaccurate to suggest that there isn't waste,
fraud and abuse. Barack Obama, when he was president was
talking about this sort of thing and.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Designing a task force.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Al Gore was appointed to head that up in Bill
Clinton's first term. It's what he ran on as a
moderate Democrat. And to his credit and Gingrich has who
you mentioned earlier, they passed two balanced budgets in Clinton's
second term in office.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
And I think back, like you said.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
These never trumpers, these neo cons that are left in
the past, the dust spin of history when it comes
to our party right now, I just think backhiding. I
was a very strong supporter of George W. Bush in
two thousand and four, and I remember all the promises
he made on the campaign trail. What he won on,
did he govern on that, did he enact those policies.
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Did he sign executive orders?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
No?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
And so when even the Democrats join in in this
recent poll, I think was CBS News saying, yeah, seventy
percent of Americans say, Hey, Trump's doing what he said
he was going to do and running on it.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I mean the flurry of activity with executive orders.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Donald Trump promise has made promises kept even better than
he did in the first term, knowing the lay of
the land and the landscape politically, and that he's going
to need Acts of Congress.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
To make these things stick.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
But he doesn't need one to write the executive orders
and get the ball rolling. And so I don't know
that you could view this first month in office, Heidi's
anything other than an unmitigated success for Donald Trump and
everything that we voted for.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I agree with you, and I'm a little worried about Congress.
They seem to be moving a little slow. I want
to see more a sense of urgency with the Senate
and the House of Representatives, but specifically our congressional members, like,
come on, guys, get it together, let's move on. Let's
get a budget across the finish line so that we
can really deep dive in and get some of these
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executive orders put into long term play through legislation. And
there is no excuse, no excuse for us to not
go all in to get these things memorialized. And if
they don't do the right things, then let's get ready
and let's primary a lot of people who don't play
ball correctly. Now we've got four congressmen out of the
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eight in Colorado, congressmen and a woman, and I believe
they're fighters. They're going to go in, they're going to
try and do the right things. They're going to get
what we want past they We've got to stop having
to deal with the Colorado GOP care race every day
and the drama around that. It's ridiculous and it's wasting
everybody's time, the back and forth, the lawsuits, that why
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can't we all just get along? And so I sat
on my podcast the other day. My Unleashed podcast is
back out there. I put one out yesterday, it's out
on social media today, and I kind of go off
about how.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
You know, what we can agree on.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
We can all agree that we don't like what's happening
in Colorado. We don't like what the Democrats are doing
in Colorado. We can also all agree, except for a
few never trumpers, which whatever, we can all agree that
we love what's happening nationally, that what's happening in the
White House is what we want here in Colorado.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
So if we just agree.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
On those two things, why does anything else matter?
Speaker 5 (07:49):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
And most of the people running for the different positions
and the different offices and the different county chair positions,
everybody pretty much agree on policy. I think that's what
I feel on the ground as I travel the state,
like if all of these people were in Congress, they
would all vote the same way.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
It's just it's this purity test. It's sys some what
if contests. What if this were to happen, What if
this vote came up?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Well, we need to deal in what is real, and
I'm going to dig into that in the next segment
and talk about numbers around unaffiliateds, around Republicans, around turnout
and actually look at the data, because I think at
this point we need to put a motion aside and
look at data, numbers, the reality of the situation we're
in Colorado and figure out how to get a path forward.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Knowing exactly what we need to do, how many voters.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
We need to bring across what those voters resonate with
message wise, and I have some input from some polsters
on that front too. I'll tease it a little bit.
One thing we should not talk about here in Colorado.
For whatever reason. Colorado's do not want the Department of
Education torn down, So we've got to be careful.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Around I do.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I think it's the right thing to do block grant
that money back to the states, but they're worried. Republicans
are worried that that money's of course going to go
into the wrong hands here in Colorado and be spent
the wrong way. And Democrats just think it's a terrible
thing and that education is going to get even worse
than it is, which in Colorado that's pretty hard to do.
Our kids can't read, write, or do math at grade level.
So we're going to deep dive right now. We're going
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to take a break. We'll be back after this. Heidi
ganall in for Dan Kaplis.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Oh, Bryan, that's so sad.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I know we lost her bird of Flack and wow,
she lived a full life age of eighty eight and
of course, this is one of a handful of top
charting hits that she had. Her biggest hit'll be coming
up next. Oh okay, you'll recognize it. She beautiful pea music,
tremendous voice.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Okay, So talk about something equally as sad, the state
of the Republican Party in Colorado, the conservative movement.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Ouch.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I don't even know where to start, Ryan. I took
a lot of notes, I did some digging on different data.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Here's where we are, guys.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
We need to flip about four hundred and fifty thousand
votes in Colorado to win statewide. And I'm going to
break this down. There's three point seven million registered voters
in Colorado, and of those a lot are unaffiliateds.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
We've got one point eight million.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Unaffiliated registered voters or they're not they're unaffiliated, so they're
not registered Republican or Democrat. If you take the unaffiliateds
that tend to vote Democrat, that's about sixty percent. So
out of all the affiliated, it's about sixty percent typically
vote in the last couple elections Democrat. Forty percent vote Republican.
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So if you take that and subtract that one point
one million minus about seven hundred and thirty eight thousand.
It's four hundred and fifty one thousand is the difference.
So that's where I get the four hundred thousand gap.
Now where are we going to get those folks? Well,
we've got a lot of voters.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
That didn't vote in the last couple elections.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So about two million in the twenty two election did
not vote, like Democrat and unaffiliated and Republican, and then
you've got Republicans who only voted. About seventy percent of
Republicans voted. Thirty percent of Republicans did not vote in
the general election, and I think that's both elections.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Overall.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
In twenty twenty four, about seventy percent of Colorado registered
active voters voted, So there are tons of people who
do not vote. We do not have a registration problem
in Colorado. A lot of people are like get scot
prosts are out here to register people. It's actually more
of a get people to vote and get the right
people to vote problem here in Colorado. So we need
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every Republican to vote that's registered Republican if the election
were tomorrow, and that would add about two hundred and
fifty thousand to our vote total statewide.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
And then we need.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
All of the unaffiliateds that have voted Republican in the
last couple elections to vote. And then we need two
about two hundred thousand more to come to our side
from the people who have voted Democrat, the unaffiliated who
have voted Democrat. And that depends on Republican turnout. I said,
if every Republican turned out, we would need two hundred thousand.
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If only seventy percent turnout, then we need four hundred
and fifty thousand to come our way. So it's a
daunting task. But what I've been trying to tell people
is you are the leader you've been waiting for in
this party. You are the leader of your neighborhood. You
are the leader of your sphere of influence. Make a
list of everyone you know who's like minded, and then
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get to know all your neighbors better. You can get
to know your precinct chair, which is basically your neighborhood
cheerleader for the conservative movement in your neighborhood. You can
find out who that is by calling the Colorado GOP,
I mean the county GOP.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
And asking and they'll connect you.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
And if there isn't one, because there are tons of
vacancies for precinct chairs around this state. Volunteer to be
that person. It's not hard, it's not brain surgery.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
We can do this.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
And I've had brain surgery, so I can say that.
So you've got to start local. You've got to get
active in your neighborhood. You have to attend your county commissioners,
city council, school board race meetings. Don't do it on zoom,
go live, and even if you can only go for
a part of it, and have your little two minute
speech ready and get up there and say your peace.
And then get to know your elected officials in your
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local neighborhood and start to communicate with them about what
you like, what you don't like, Republican and Democrat. And then, guys,
we have got to got to got to focus on
issues that are going to be okay to talk about
with everybody. And I've been talking to the pollsters about
this about Colorado and where things stand, and there are
two things that people are totally fired up about on
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both sides that are okay to talk about. We have
from perspectives about how to solve those problems. But what
is the economy?
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Inflation? Affordability.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And the other is crime, and that includes illegal immigration,
sanctuary state status, it includes all of those things that
we're dealing with in Colorado, fentanyl. So you've got crime,
and you've got the economy crime and the economy of
the economy and crime.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Those are the things we should be talking.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
About when we're out chatting with our neighbors, when we're
testifying on a bill, when we're testifying to our county
commissioners or city council. It works magic and find little
places where you can agree, like, Hey, it's really expensive
to go out to eat lately, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Well, yeah, it is. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Ask a lot of questions, as I learned in sales,
because I was in sales a lot of my life.
You should be listening most of the time and learning
and asking questions and finding out what makes people tick.
And what I learned from the polsters that what makes
people tick in Colorado the unaffiliated voters, the famous unaffiliated voters.
And we're really talking about the four hundred and fifty
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thousand or two hundred thousand, whatever number you want to use,
between two hundred and fifty and five hundred thousand people
that we need to swing our way to change this state.
It's the economy and it's crime, and the Democrats are
handing us a gift with this. They are making every
bad decision they possibly can at the legislature, in the
governor's mansion, in Congress, the Democrats are making every bad decision.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
They can and they do not have anything to stand on.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
As James Carvill said, be quiet, sit down and be quiet. Well,
I'm asking you not to sit down and be quiet,
but to stand up, speak out, get out of your house,
talk to folks, and start now. We cannot wait until
the elections here. We've got some very very critical school
board elections coming up this fall. How about we start
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in Jefferson County, Colorado, where, oh my goodness, every other
day it's a different story. God bless Lindsay dot Co
with jeff co Kiss. First, she's so patient, so she's
so kind in the way she approaches the criticism of
what's happening. I won't be as kind. It's really messed up.
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And if it's not a better I don't know a
better time to elect different people to the Jefferson County
school Board. You guys should watch some of those meetings.
I watched the last one. I encouraged everybody to do that,
and a whopping I don't know thirty people showed up
online to watch it. I'm like, do you guys not
read all the articles about what's happening with teachers being
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accused of sexual misconduct and a teacher who groomed a
student who now I think still lives with the teacher
on California. She's past eighteen now, but their story after
story so at In just a few minutes, we're going
to have the infamous George Brockler.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
On with us.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Infamous is a great word for him.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
It's a sure thing, George. It's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
He is our district attorney for he's district attorney down
in Douglas County, and.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
It's so great to have a fighter.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
It's great to have a fighter compared to all the
stuff that's going on in California. And we're going to
talk about the sanctuary state issue. We're going to talk
about what's happening in Jefferson County, and we're really just
going to break down how do we change what's happening
as parents, as Republicans, as unaffiliateds who might be open
to voting differently. What will we do differently if we
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govern to stop this stuff from happening.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Now you're hearing it from the White House.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You're hearing no more boys playing in girls' sports, no
more DEI, no more of this stuff happening in our schools,
or you're going to lose funding. Like that's what needs
to happen from the top. We're going to talk about
what needs to happen here in Colorado and from the
ground up.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
So this is.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Heidigan All filling in for Dan Kaplis. We'll be back
right after the break with George Brockler.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
You're listening to the Dan Capless Show podcast.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Hello, Happy Monday.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
It's Heidi Ganal filling in for Dan Caplis, and I'm
very excited to have a friend and my district attorney,
George Brockler, on the line. Hello George, Happy Monday.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
Happy Monday. It was great seeing you and Jason over
the weekend.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
That was fun.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
We were talking a little bit about the OPR retree
and nuke Ginrick.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Saying make America honest again. I love that.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
I think some of the funniest stuff came out of
a speaker nude, especially when he said, a look the
difference between conservatives and the liberals that they view The
Lion King as a documentary, you know what I mean,
Like he says, lions eat gazelle's and they say no, no,
no no. They sing and dance together.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
They get along great. That was hilarious. That was That
was a crazy weekend.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I mean, I love that weekend because it's like six
hundred patriots in one place and we haven't seen each other,
most of us, in like a year, and everybody stays
I mean stays up pretty much all night, like till
three or four in the morning, hanging out talking.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
And then you get up and you're like, oh my god,
I forgot how old I am. Oh that was.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
That was. That's right, still recovering.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
So George Colorado was not recovering yet.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
And I love what you've been saying about what's happening
with this push that I mean, Paulus is basically saying
we're not a sanctuary state, and you're saying, oh, yes
we are, So tell us what the distinction is there?
Speaker 7 (19:52):
Yeah, in fact, there was a westward article of all places.
I'll sit down with anybody to do an interview and
Westwood came out to interview me on this, and I
told them the same thing, like, it doesn't matter what
the governor or mayor Johnston say. They could call it
happy fun town. What really matters is the policy and
the different approaches that they take to this. And when
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we have changed our laws multiple times to make it
less painful for illegal immigrants to commit crimes in the
jurisdiction and to avoid facing deportation for the commission of
those crimes, and they've done it, and to keep probation
from reporting the fact that they have convicted criminal illegal
aliens that they're supervising here even though America says you
(20:33):
shouldn't be here. They can't communicate that with ice. You
have a sanctuary state. But oh, by the way, then
they add on the other things, like well, let's make
illegal immigrants eligible for housing assistance and to get licensure
in things like hairdressing and other things that are licensed
so they can compete with citizens and people who are
legal residents. You've created an environment that is not just
(20:57):
welcoming but invited. It begs legal immigrants to come here
and set up shop. And that's what we've seen over
the past. I don't know five ten years now.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
So what do you do differently, like now that you're
in office, what do you tactically do every day to
beat back against this and what can't you fix or do?
Speaker 7 (21:17):
Yeah, some of the limitations are on the lack of
knowledge that we have about all the people that are
in our jails and the people that are in our system.
What the public should end is full transparency, and the
legislature has really operated from an ignorance's bliss approach to this,
which is, hey, if we don't allow law enforcement to
collect this information or to coordinate information with ice, then
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nobody can ever run study that says, hey, twenty five
to thirty five percent of all the crime and the
jurisdiction are in the state is committed by people who
are here illegally. Now I made that number up, but
I'd have to because we can't know the number right.
So part of the problem is we're in an information
deficit and maybe an information desert. And so for us,
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approach is where we know that someone will be negatively
impacted by the results of their criminal conduct, I take
no affirmative stats to lessen that impact. So there are
some jurisdictions historically, and even now that we'll try to
do something called an immigration friendly plea, I do no
such thing. You are going to get the same plea bargain.
(22:20):
Whether you're here legally, illegally, citizen, non citizen, legal resident,
doesn't matter. You come here and break the law. Your
expectation should be you're treated the same by the law.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
That's good. That's good.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So is Paul's changing his tune on like in the
tactics of what he's doing and allowing his staff and
bureaucracy to do. Or is everything staying the same. His
rhetoric's just changing.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
Yeah, he's changed his rhetoric. And if you listen, he's
a smart guy, I mean the governor. For people that
want to dismiss him, they're making a mistake because he's
politically pragmatic in a way that you don't see from
Phil Wiser. Like Phil Wiser is not just human shock
in terms of delivery of the message, but he does
not have the nuanced appreciation for these things. The way
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Governor polls and his team do it just makes them very,
very different, even though they're both successful in elections. The
governor has changed his tun if you listen to what
he talks about. He's like, we're not a sanctuary state
because we cooperate with ICE for violent felons and violent criminals.
That part might be true, but it's limited to just
the violent ones.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
It's not.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
It doesn't encompass things like your retail theft rings or
your other property crime committers, your burglars, whether it's a
businesses or residences. The chronic drunk drivers that we have
who have had two or three bites at the apple,
even though they shouldn't be here to begin with those
parts we don't have the same level of cooperation and
coordination with. But where people should feel really encouraged is
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that you had a willing participant in that ignorance piece
under the Biden administration for ICE. And if anybody has
listened to a single word out of Tom Holman's mouth,
President Trump got elected, those days be over. And now
you have an ICE that at least appears to be
interested in trying to deport the people that are visiting
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crime on our communities.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
And how big of a problem is this in Colorado?
I mean, when I was running, I heard a lot
about the I twenty five corridor and the federal trafficking,
the human trafficking. Is it as big of a problem
as it appeared to be, then.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
Yeah, yeah, Listen, Colorado is unique when it comes to
human trafficking because what you have found statistically is that
human trafficking is biggest in places that have major highways
federal highways that run through them, and also associated with
cities that have major sports teams. Well, I twenty five
(24:44):
and I seventy converge right there in Denver with the
Broncos and the Abs, and arguably the Rockies are major League.
I'm kidding. I love the Rockies, just want them to
be better and.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
All this other stuff. So we do.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
We have historically human trafficking issues, and there is a
role that the cartels in illegal groups play in those
as well. And it's not just women, and it's not
just folks south of the border. This takes place from
people from all over the world. They get brought here
under false pretenses and then they're either their visas or
(25:19):
if they have a passport, their passports or whatever withheld
from them so that they end up in servitude to
the people that are kind of controlling them and using
them for these largely sexual purposes.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
All right, So talking about human trafficking, let's talk about
what happened at Columine High School with the student who
was I would call it trafficked to go live with
her predator, who was a teacher. Like, what the heck
is going on in Jefferson County.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
I don't know. I grew up in Jeffcoe. I'm a
Lakewood kid. I went to Belmar Elementary, Carmody Junior High,
Bear Creek High School. I mean, I still have family
that lives in Jeffcoe. I don't know what's going on there,
but for one of the largest school districts in the state,
they have some explaining to do here. Now, again, I'm
not privy to what has taken place in terms of
(26:07):
any investigation. I don't know any more than you guys
do from reading this. But as a guy who's got
a prosecutor's mind in a father's heart, I have significant
concerns with what has not taken place. So when I'm
told by the media that there are forms, federal forms
that are filled out by administrators that advance aknown lie
about the homelessness of this kid, that to me seems
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like a fraudulent or even forged document. There has to
be some federal law that creates a penalty for that,
and for anyone that's ever filled out a federal form
you know, at the bottom in teeny tiny language it says,
I swear that these things are true under penalty of
perjury and all this other stuff. Someone's got to look
into that. I don't know if someone has already and
has said, hey, we don't think we have enough here,
(26:53):
but we're going to get a new US attorney in
the state of Colorado over the next six to twelve months,
and that's going to be a Trump appointed US attorney.
They have the ability to look into this stuff. The
other things are, how can the school district get away
with an oops, I'm sorry approach to this? I put
out an apology like, well, what the mistakes were made
and things should have had It's like, dudes and dodets
(27:15):
should be let go from education. I don't care if
they were the Jesus of public education up to that moment.
You participate in this charade. You are Dunnsville.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
It is over.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
I don't know why that hasn't happened.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Well, thank you, district's attorney Brockler and I'm glad you're
my district attorney in Douglas County. I love jeffco too,
but man, I just every day it's a new story
over there and parents really need to wake up and
understand what's going on. Thanks George for all you do,
and I'm excited to see you make a big splash
fighting back against this stuff. I know you will, and
(27:50):
would love to chat with you more on air soon.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Happy to do that.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
One quick thing. We have three pending cases against educators
in this jurisdiction. Oh wow, presumed innocent and I don't
want to get into the details, but we've got three.
How is it that some people can show up to
a school and see kids that want to learn and
others see a romantic opportunity. Oh don't get it.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
That is just horrible, horrible.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
It's disgusting, and thank you for taking a stern approach
to that. And I hope that justice prevails whichever way
it goes.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
But I'm glad you're doing that.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
Thanks. Thanks Ryan.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
All right, Well, this is Heidi Ganal filling in for
Dan Kaplis. That was District Attorney George Brockler talking about
crime and what's happening in our schools in Colorado, which
is pretty disturbing. And we will be back after this
break to talk more.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
And now back to the Dan Capliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
That music just puts me in a zone, like in
a really happy zone.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Like good day zone for those of you driving home
from work or paying tribute to the late ROBERTA.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Flak who passed away at the age of eighty eight today.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Gosh, that's sad. Well, Onto, as I opened last time, more.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Said Stoff talking about the Colorado Republican Party state.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
And I love my Republicans. I love my party. It's
like family to me.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
And who are you most brutally honest with?
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
There you go, because I want things to get better, same,
I know, Ryan.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
So we've got to talk about this opt out thing.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
It is so confusing and it's what is riling up
the whole Republican Party right now. And if you're not
into like deep dive, you know, Republican party stuff, just
kind of stick with us for a few minutes, and
I would love feedback. If you are into this stuff,
you can call us at three zho three seven one
three eight two five five, or you can text five
(29:52):
seven seven three nine to Dan and I will get
that text message and I'll address your questions or comments.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
But there's two things going on here.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
A lot of.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
People are saying, oh, I'm going to vote, I'm going
to I want so and so to be chair of
the GOP in Colorado because I want unaffiliateds to not
be able to vote in Republican primaries. And then there's
other people who are like, no, no, no, we need
to bring more people in.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
You heard me.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Talk about those numbers if you were listening in the
first segment, where we have one point eight million unaffiliated voters,
and of those voters, sixty percent typically vote Democrat in
Colorado in the last few elections and forty percent vote Republican.
So we need all those ones that typically vote Republican,
and we need to bring over a few hundred thousand
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from the ones that typically vote Democrat. So if we
do away with the primary, which is what the vote
is actually on, if we do a vote on what
they can vote on the central Committee, Sorry, stick with me,
this is really complicated. So if these folks get elected
and they have a vote, they could even do it
now before before the chair race technically, but it will
(31:00):
probably be after a new chair is elected, they'll vote
and they'll say we want to get out of the
primary completely. They have to have seventy five percent of
the Central Committee, which is about I think it's about
four hundred and fifty people, and I am a bonus member.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
I'm on that committee now for Douglas County.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
So seventy five percent of those folks have to vote
to opt out of a primary. And what that means
is there will be no primary as we know it.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
It will strictly.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Go through a caucus or assembly process, and it's not
like it is now. So what will happen is one
candidate will have to come out of that assembly. So
that's typically if you get thirty percent, you get on
the ballot, and there's usually a couple of people in
the primary and it's raucous, and then all the Republicans
and unaffiliates who pick a Republican ballot gets to vote,
(31:49):
and then you get your candidate that goes on the
general election to go up against the Democrats. Well this
in this case, you won't be able to petition on
like some candidates do, and there won't be multiple people
coming out of assembly. It'll be one person, one person.
And so there's a couple problems with this.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
One is you you will not.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Get a primary ballot if you are a Republican in
this state. So the only way you'll be able to
be involved in picking our primary candidate is to get
a seat at that assembly, and they have not determined
what the rules are for that. We've got, you know,
nine hundred thousand Republican voters registered Republicans in this state.
How are they going to hear the most people possible
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because usually that assembly is about three or four thousand people.
So that's the first problem. If you're a registered Republican
and you're not part of the assembly process, you will
not have a say in who the primary goes to.
The other thing is the unaffiliated voters will still get
a Democrat primary ballot. They will still get when now
right now, they get both, they get a Democrat and
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a Republican ballot in the mail and they have to
pick one.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
They cannot turn both.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
In, and so they will still get the Democrat ballot,
but they won't get a Republican ballot anymore. So they'll
just get one ballot and they'll think, oh, okay, I'm
going to vote for this person and the likelihood that
they vote again for that person in the general election.
Psychologically it's pretty strong like they're probably gonna do that.
And so I think we're shooting ourselves in the foot
(33:16):
if we literally opt out of having a primary as
we know it now.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Now, Do I.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Agree that Republicans should be able to pick their primary
candidate and Democrats should be able to pick their primary candidate,
and unaffiliated.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
Should pick a side. Yeah, I tend to go towards that.
And there's a.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Lawsuit going through the system right now that was filed
with I believe Kevin Lamberg is the head of that lawsuit,
and it's with the GOP because they tried it before
without the GOP and they wouldn't let the judge wouldn't
let that go. So it's going through the courts right now.
It's called the Claremont Institute lawsuit. And if you are
interested in not doing the whole opt out like they're
(33:55):
talking about now, where we don't have a primary pretty
much we have a primary or not as it stands now,
then and you still don't want unaffiliates to be able
to vote in the Republican primary, then you need to
support that lawsuit, and you can donate to the Claarmont
Institute and help them. It's going to be a while
before that gets decided. I think they're in disclosure or
(34:18):
they're doing all the research right now in the case.
So that's your option. You can support that lawsuit and
see where the courts fall out and say they would
say the whole thing was constitutional. So my understanding is
the Democrats and Republicans would fall under that, like the
whole ballot initiative that we voted on was unconstitutional.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
So I know that was super complicated.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
If you have questions or want to call in after
the break, please do and I'll take the call and
we'll chat about it. This is Heidigan All filling in
for Dan Caplis. We'll see after the break.
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