March 13, 2025 • 35 mins
Kristi Burton-Brown, Colorado state board of education member for the 4th Congressional District, fills in for Dan and discusses the waffling of several Democrats on the pending continuing resolution before the Senate after passage in the House.
Democrats also still can't find their footing in their opposition to Donald Trump, picking losing hills to die on time after time.
Democrats also still can't find their footing in their opposition to Donald Trump, picking losing hills to die on time after time.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome to the Dan Taplas Show.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I'm Christy Britton Brown in for Dan today, who's in trial.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Thank you for listening, and I want to give a
shout out.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I don't know if he's listening right now, but to
a state trooper I met today when I was at
my State Board of Ed meetings. I'm now on the
State Board of Education. Today was our second day of
meetings for the month, and I met a state trooper
who said he sometimes listens to me on the Dan
Caplis Show. And he talked about some of his work
as a state trooper, which is really great to meet him.
I love meeting people across the state who are fun
(00:42):
to meet, do a lot of good work for the state,
and who apparently listened to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
So I think he listens to Dan too. I'm sure
that's who he really listens to.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
But anyway, Brad, if you're on here, thanks for introducing
yourself today and thank you for your work as a
state trooper keeping us all safe. We have a lot
of interesting political issues. I kind of do every day
right with a twenty four to seven cycle of news,
there's always something new popping up. But the legislative session
down at the Capitol is in full swing, and so
are the issues in DC. It really never seems to
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slow down. Sometimes I wonder if it is always been
like this through all of American history, and do we
just not get the news fed to us all the
time before the politician's always a busy or because of
the twenty four to seven news cycle now, does everyone
feel like they have to constantly be doing something so
that they can get covered.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
By the news.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'm not exactly sure how it works, but I think
Senator John Fetterman from Pennsylvania has been fairly interesting in
this whole continuing resolution government shut down issue that's been
going on.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
As I'm sure you all know, he sometimes will take
a step away from his party.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I think he likes to present himself as a more
man of the people.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I mean, I assume that's what he's doing. Is Jim
Schwartz and hoodies.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I am not one hundred percent sure, but I think
he's still way far out there liberal if you actually
look at most of what he does. But on occasion
he does make some reasonable statements. I'm going to play
a few clips from him today, especially because it looks
like one of our own senators, John Hickenlooper.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Is possibly inching over to.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
The position of John Fetterman, even though earlier he was
saying he was definitely not going to vote on that side.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Looks like Higginloper's is swaying a little bit.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Bennett, I think staying erb in the court with the
other Democrats. But here is a tweet from Senator John Fetterman.
He says, shut the government down, plunge the country into
chaosk risk a recession or exchange cloature for a thirty
day continuing resolution that one hundred percent fails, the House
GOP continuing resolution will then pass the Senate because it
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only needs fifty one votes.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Now here's the key sentence.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
He says total theater is neither honest with constituents nor
a winning argument, and that at the moment at least,
is directed at his own party, saying, basically, if I
could attempt to paraphrase him, what are we doing going
all over the news acting like we can win this
and acting like we're the resistance and we can actually
get somewhere when the Republicans control the Senate, the House,
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and the White House and can actually pass what they want. Like,
what's the point of acting for the American public and
pretending we can accomplish something that we can't. He also
says that he will never this is his quote, he
will never vote to shut things down. I think it's
an interesting position. Not sure that's where I would be,
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but I'm also not a senator. So let's listen in
to Senator Fetterman's comment on that Democrats are going to.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Have the choice to vote for whether you when it's
the cloture or the final one, you know, and if
you refuse to or you withhold your vote, you are
voting about shutting the government down. And so that's always
been my point. Now, it's a cr that we all
agree we don't like, and we don't we don't co
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sign on all of those elements. But for me, it's
about we can't ever allow the government to shut down.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
But you know that he kind of goes over to
the Democrat viewpoint. Oh, a democratic the government must always exist.
It can't ever get shut down. So you know, I
guess for whatever reason he wants to come over and
be reasonable, we'll take it. But I mean, how many
times have Republicans held their nos and voted for a
Democrat continuing resolution, resigning themselves to the fact that whichever
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party is in control is going to get it through.
I wouldn't love it either, But here we are, and
now it's slipped on the Democrats, and now they would
love to throw a big fit and not resign themselves
to the fact of what's actually just gonna happen. But
I think one of the most interesting comments that I
have heard in this whole discussion that always seems to
come up again more continuing resolutions, one after the other
after the other. We can ever just have an actual
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budget for the government. I hope we get to that
at some point again. But he's a commentator on CNN
talking about what he might be afraid of that Trump
might to do if the government were to shut down.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I think this is away out there, but also kind
of money.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
And there are a lot of Democrats, Jake, who are
in that camp right now, and remains to be seen
how long Schumer could keep them on his side.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
We expect that they would.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Need at least eight Democrats to vote to break a filibuster.
That vote could happen as early as Friday morning, and
that vote would just be hours before the deadline, which
is eleven to fifty nine pm Friday night. And if
it does ultimately lead to a shutdown, Jake, some Democrats
are just simply worried what Donald Trump would do in
that situation, having the government shut down, having Congress having
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to rely on Republican votes to reopen the government, how
much Trump would demand in that case, which is why
at the end of the day, some Democrats and Republicans
believe a deal could be a voted in the last
minute here or Democrats ultimately could decide to vote for
this Republican bill and send it into law. So some
time to play out here for the moment, Jake, the
Democratic leader indicating he plans to fight this as soon
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as Friday.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I mean, that's one way to attempts to give Democrats
cover in voting for either cloture or the continuing resolution.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Say, oh, they're giving because they're afraid of.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
What Trump might do if the government shut down, what
deal he might make, how much he might require.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Us to put up in exchange for that deal.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Like, I think it's a pretty funny way of covering
the reality that they know they don't have the votes
and just have to go with the majority in the end.
But anyway, let's go to Senator John Hickenlooper and his thoughts,
especially since from what I've been reading today, I'm sure
some of you been following it as well. Originally he
was like, no, no, no, no chance, I vote for Klochuer.
I'm standing firm on this, not going to Republicans. But
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now it looks like I said, he might be inching
over to John Fetterman's position of well, maybe we really
just should make sure the government doesn't shut down.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Well, hey, I don't think they would be a shutdown.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I think.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
With the my sense, because of the Senate will always
wait till last minute, and then we'll compromise and collaborate,
figure out some way to get to a h you know,
something that's at least a little bi partisan. I don't
there are that many Republicans who are happy to try
it and continuing resolution down the other sides, So that
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when we had the majority of when we had the
White House, House in the majority of the Senate, but.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
We never try something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
You're optimistic. That's good. We can't afford to be pestimistic.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
In this in this universe.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Well, I do appreciate his optimism. I tend to always
go on the side of optimism as well. But I
think it's funny that he claims the Democrats have never
tried anything like this. I don't know where he's been living,
but it probably is not in the sentence here. In
this comment, he's a little more clear about what he's
thinking of doing as far as his vote goes, and
this is where people are thinking he's indicating perhaps a
vote change and a move over to joining Fetterman.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
So Cher say, you're leaning towards voting for the CR
he's ving for quote Chap.
Speaker 7 (07:46):
Yeah, I think I'm leaning in that direction. But I'm
you know, I've gone back and forth on this thing
three times, because it is it is two horrible choices,
and it's hard to imagine two worse choices where you
in either case, you can envision terrible things happening, people
losing funding for essential things in Colorado that the people
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depend on. We're talking about you know, medical situations, we're
talking about veterans' jobs, we're talking about education.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I mean, it's.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
A waterfall of horrible.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Always the world is going to end whenever the government,
you know, isn't funded every penny that the Democrats think
they should be funded.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
That's always an entertaining position.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
But later on in the show, I do want to
talk about specifically the dismantling, as they're calling it, of
the Department of Education by President Trump and what that
means for funding. I had to talk about it a
decent amount recently, a lot of people asking questions phil Wiser,
having the state of Colorado joined twenty other states today
in a lawsuit challenging Trump's ability to do that. I
have a whole lot of thoughts that we'll get to
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in the next segment. But when we've been speaking about
Hickenlooper and Bennett having a different position on this continuing
Resolution vote, I think all signs point to Michael Bennett
running for for the Democrats. I am very curious what
all of you think of that. Other Democrats, certainly in
the ring as well, Phil Wiser, there's talk about whether
not Jenna Griswold will jump in. I'm sure you all
love her, but would I would love to get your
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thoughts on it. We'll talk about that in the next segment.
You can call in over the break eight five five
four zero five eight two five five or text your
thoughts to Dan at five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
You're back on the Dan Capla Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown.
Before we left on the last break, I said that
I think it's very clear that Michael Bennett most likely
to be running for governor for the Democrats. I think
Phil Wiser is the only one who's officially announced for
the Democrats.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Maybe there's a few people I.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Don't know about who've announced, but I think at least
of recognizable names, he's the one doing it. I see
people all over Twitter talking about whether or not Jenna
Griswold is going to jump in the race, but other
people are like, no, she's.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Going to jump in the race for attorney General.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Oh, maybe she'll run for Senate and wait for that seed.
I would imagine the most likely is that she runs
for attorney general, because that is probably going to be
the most open spot for the Dems, because if either
Michael Bennett or Joan of Goose run for governor, they
are going to be, in my view, the front runners
in that seat. Not only do they have the ability
to raise money like Jenna Griswold also has antilizer for
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that matter, but they have in the case of Michael Bennett,
way higher name id, He's been on the statewide ballot
multiple times and is in the news more often on
a national basis, all the common channels that ColorADD In's
watch just by nature of being a US Senator.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
He's certainly, you know, he kind of holds back sometimes, but.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Recently he's been He's gotten himself purposely in the news
quite a bit. I think it's because he's leaning towards
running for governor. Jonah Goose is very charismatic speaker for
the Democrats, but also in a high position right now
in the US House. And if if the Democrats think
that they have a shot of winning back the House
in the midterms in twenty six I would at least
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take a guess that Jonah Goose may wish to stay
there so that he can move up through the ranks
of leadership in the House instead of.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Running for governor. But hey, what do I know.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I am certainly not an insider to all the Democrats planning,
But those are some thoughts being thrown around.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Curious what you all think.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I certainly think Michael Bennett is probably the most moderate
of all those potential candidates. Certainly extreme on a lot
of issues, but so moderate is always relative. But when
you're contrasting Jenna Griswold or Phil Wiser and his terrible
record on crime and dealing with even auto theft here
in Colorado, and drug rings and fentanyl, and you contrast
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that with Michael Bennett, you see someone who is a
little more along the lines of Jared Polis, who I
know all of us find a lot of reasons to
see that he is extreme as well. But I'm saying,
if you take the Democrats as a whole in Colorado
and you carve out the little spot for the socialists,
you carve out the spot for the extreme left, and
then you see who's left, and they are all still
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on the left, you can find a few that maybe.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
At least agree with us on charter schools.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Few of them agree with us on tabor, maybe a
few of them agree with us on some economic issues,
and you know.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I will take personally.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I would take that over someone who is wrong on
every single issue under the sun and isn't going to
support some of those core education and economic issues that
are very popular in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Mean taper, for.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Example, the Taxpayers Bill of Rights supported by seventy percent
of Colorado's and I find it very interesting that it's
a main topic of conversation on the House and Senate
floors here in Denver right now because they're facing a huge, huge,
I think a one.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Billion dollars shortfall in the budget.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Important to note that it is not a budget cut,
but instead a decrease in the increase. And knowing that
some of this funding was going away in the next
few years, the Colorado legislature, the leaders over there, decided
to commit spending to programs that we're going to continue
year after year, even though the funding wasn't going to
continue year after year. And they knew that, And now
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they find themselves in a hole really created out of
their own making. But on the House and Senate floor,
what are they talking about? Oh, this is the fault
of tavor. The taxpayer's bill of Rights basically saying we
should be able to spend however much we want. Colorado
is a contributive, you know, but if you don't. Colorado
is the only state in the nation that actually has
the taxpayers Bill of Rights that says there's a revenue
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cap on the legislature. There's a limit to how much
they can spend when they collect our tax dollars. They're
capped on how much of it they can spend. Population
and inflation comes into that formula. But it's not an
unlimited amount that ooh, we collected it, we can spend it. No,
the overage is actually considered still belonging to the people
must be returned to the people. That's why you get
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refunds right now. We've been getting them every year for
a few years. There was a period of time where
we didn't get refunds at all because it's all based
on whether or not the state actually collects over that
revenue cap, and right now they have been doing that,
so a lot of people are now familiar with those
refund checks. That's the taxpayer's bill of Rights, and as
much as they're going to complain on the House and
Senate floor here and Colorado saying, Oh, if only we
could keep that money instead of the people.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I mean, think about what they're saying.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
They're saying that if you just gave them more money
to spend all the time and they didn't actually have
to budget like the average Colorado family does, then they'd
be able to pay for all the things. And in reality,
they need to cut a whole lot of things. If
you have thoughts, you can text them to Dan at
five seven seven three nine. You can also call in
eight five five four zero five eight two five five.
I'm Christy Burton Brown and for Dan today while he's
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in trial. So when we talk about the Colorado State
government Democrats running for governor, I should a for action.
Before I go there, I should let you know there's
a new Republican who jumped into the governor's race just today.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
He's a very unique candidate.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Ernest Lunning from Colorado Politics reported it very recently while
I've actually been talking, and it is the sheriff of
I think he's Teller County. I know he lives in
Wolden Park, so Teller County. His name is Jason Mike
sel I hope I'm saying that the right way. But
he's been in the news quite a bit in Colorado
on the immigration an issue. Has taken a very strong
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stand against Colorado's sanctuary state status, the limitations that state
law has put on sheriffs and on law enforcement where
they are not allowed to coordinate with ice to deport
even violent criminals and repeat felons. So if you've heard
his day before, that's probably where you've heard it is
in the immigration context, fighting against colorado sanctuary state status.
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I've had the privilege of talking to him about some
of these issues personally. I think he's very strong on
the law and order. Obviously, it's why he's a sheriff,
but has been a good sheriff in that area of
the state.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
So anyway, that's a new announcement today.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
On the Republican side, I know Senator Mark Baisley has
also announced he's running for governor, and I feel like
there's another Republican that I'm gonna regret forgetting in the
next few minutes. But I feel like there's another Republican
who's announced many more on both sides to announce. I
have no doubt Michael Bennett has even announced yet, it's
just he's being talked about right now on the dem side,
So already all these races are starting because no incumbents
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can run into twenty six on the Democrat side will
be an entirely new slate of officers. I don't know
about you, but for me, I find that to be
fairly scary to see who they come up with next,
and interesting to see who the Republicans run on our side.
I know a lot of people think Senator Barb Kirkmeyer
may run for the Republicans. I think there's some business
people looking into it. We'll definitely find out in the
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near future. But Phil Wiser has found another way to
get himself in the news while he's running for governor.
He has decided to join twenty other states in suing
the Trump administration for their announcement that they'll be dismantling
the Federal Department of Education by cutting the staff in half.
So some people expected Trump to just immediately eliminate the
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Federal Department of Education. I think this move is probably
better saying, hey, let's cut it in half first, and
you can manage the dismantling in that way. In a
proper way. But phil Wiser is suing and saying no, no, no,
you have to keep them intact. You don't have the
power to do that. I would love to ask when
the last time we have seen states suing the federal
government saying no, you need to keep bureaucracy, keep more
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of the federal government. Usually when states attorneys general sue
the federal government, it's to say get off our back,
leave us alone, stop telling us what to do. But
it seems like phil Wiser would like the federal government
to continue telling Colorado education what to do.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I find that to be.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
A very very strange position and not one we should welcome.
It's it's not a healthy position for a state to take,
no matter who the president is. So I find that
to be very puzzling. I think we can get into
it more in the next segment. But it's very important
to note that cutting the Department of Education's bureaucracy and
staff is not the same as cutting funding for education.
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That's what people are really concerned about. Is this going
to cut funding for kids and education in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
It's not.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
We can talk about why that's not the case, despite
what who might be hearing on the news in the
next segment. You can call in over the break eight
five five four zero five eight two five five or
texts Dan to five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're on the Dan cap Show.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Ryan has always great songs.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I'll say that at least once a show, because you're
right on with all the songs. The Democrats could take
a lesson from that song.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I think you.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
Know exactly the lesson of Kenny Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
No win to fold when it comes to Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
I was actually on the Coloro Inside Out panel last week,
I think it was, and we were talking about Donald
Trump's speech to Congress. I guess technically not the State
of the Union, because you can't give that the same
year you get inaugurated, but whatever I joint addressed to Congress,
and one of the other commentators I thought made a
really good point saying the Democrats have not yet figured
out how to deal with this president. President Trump is
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not what you might expect. He is not like most
other Republicans, most other presidents, and I don't know, waving
your cane at him and yelling to you can it
doesn't work holding up?
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Was it uh not?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Pickleball paddles something.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Yeah, exactly like bidding at an auction panels.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
So many people say that it's like, God, I used
to work at an auction. It's actually my very first
job ever. Wow, I've been doing to order door sales
of little coupon books nice to raise money for my
figure skating. I did do that, but after that I
actually was a runner at an auction in rural Colorado,
And so I just find it very funny that, Yeah,
the Democrats are they're either playing ping pongs, doing an auction,
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making some bids.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
They don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
Well, they're cursing the darkness, and that's something Dan talks
about in the show off. And they're not offering any solutions, alternatives,
any light at the end of the tunnel.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
None of that.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
There's no optimism, there's no plan or positivity for the futures.
Trump bad orange Man Hitler, like they've already tried everyone Hitler,
Christ you know they've already tried the hair on fire histrionics,
the two impeachments, the weapon of the DOJ, the thirty
four so called felony convictions.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
They've tried all of that. It's all white noise.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Now.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
I would think for those who are in the middle,
that maybe they voted in the following order. They voted
Trump sixteen, they went to Biden twenty, and they went
back to Trump in twenty four.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
I think there are a lot of those voters.
Speaker 8 (20:17):
There are the ones that have endured all these Democratic
attacks on Trump, and they're just automatic the reflects of
their knee jerk. I think the average America is just
sick of it, and it's white noise to them.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
No, And I think you're right, Ryan. I think one
of the things the clips that I like the best
from Trump's speech is he looked at them and He's like,
look at all these people in front of me, no
matter what I do, no matter what I say, They're
not going to clap, they're not going to cheer, they're
not even gonna smile.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
I can bring up a thirteen year old boy with
cancer and they won't cheer him.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
And they didn't.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
They And I was talking to the people, and I'm
saying I would think if you were strategic at all,
you would be sitting there with your plan as the Democrats,
you would hear that comment from Trump, and you would
break from your plan and you would want to prove
him wrong. You would find some things to cheer for,
You would find some things to clap for you, so
that people were like, wait, why did Trump accuse them
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of all that they're actually being reasonable?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
But here's the problem.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
This is really my opinion that by and large the
Democrat Party marches in line, they are conditioned to mostly
be robots, like this is what we do. We all
do it, this is our plan. We do not move
from it. I mean, you see this at the legislati
committees here in Colorado when they write on crime bills
I wish I'm actually going to talk about.
Speaker 8 (21:29):
But did you see also on x there were like
dozens I think of Democratic members of Congress that put
out the exact same post word for word, like they
were plucked from talking points.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Oh there's some same video of Trump like created by AI.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
They all were posting and commenting.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
On exactly just to your point of them being a
hive mind.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, and like you.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Know, sometimes I admit to wishing the conservatives had a
little bit more of that in US, where we could
march in line to the same tune on occasion and
actually like now fight about silly bylaw things and like,
you know, actually get things done.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
You know, so we it's.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Nice sometimes, but I think if you have to choose
between a party and a political mindset that says you
will stay in line, you will be a robot, you
will fit in the box, you will do all the
same thing and no matter what's happening, you cannot change
in real time and listen to people's testimonies. You can't
respond to a speech. You must do what we previously
agreed to do. Or if you had to choose a
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party that you know doesn't have that has a lot
of independent thought that therefore sometimes I feel like, can
create more arguments and more pushback and more criticism of
how we message and of personalities. I think you see
that a lot on the Republican side. But I would
pick that party because like principles decide, I'm talking about style.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I would pick that party because they value the.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Ability to think for yourself and to actually like change
your mind and come to some decisions instead of like, no,
you must follow the leaders. Simon says, come on, people,
I think.
Speaker 8 (23:03):
There's a wiggle room in the middle of what you're
talking about of being I wish being pragmatic though, And
the way I would handle it is the way I
try to handle it with my fiance, which is, you know,
you never want to have those arguments in public, right,
Like if you and your husband, Christy are at a restaurant,
comes up, you have a disagreement, that's okay, and we'll
talk about it when we get home and we'll sort
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it out, and it might get a little heated behind
closed doors, but we're not going to sort that out
in public. We're going to be very focused and pragmatic
in our approach of about what we present to the voters.
But instead you got all this, like you're saying, the
theater of it all, and the clicks and the likes
and the buzz of it all on social media platforms
and getting on the TV hits and appearances for seeing
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an MSNBC or Fox News. And there are just too many,
I think in Congress that are obsessed with that, and
that is the politics of self rather than the politics
of being part of a team.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
And like you said, it's not that you always go
along to get at but.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
You pick your spots right and you pull together in
one direction, maybe you kind of take a short term
setback for long term gain, but you have those conversations
as have them behind closed doors, right.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I think that's so smart.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
The politics of self is a great line, actually, but
you don't always have to be independent to prove the
turn independent thinker. And I think so many Republicans, people
on my side, even people I like, are like, I
am going to be my own person so much. That's like, okay,
but can you occasionally be a team player because sometimes
you need other people and you need relationships. You need
connections to get things done. Now every so often it
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actually even means you have to cross the political aisle
and do it on a bipartisan basis.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Even sometimes that horrors has to happen.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I think we would do better if we actually built
more relationships instead of siloing ourselves away. But you know,
we all have our own opinions on what works and
what doesn't. But one thing I do want to cover
a little bit before I get into all the crime bills,
because actually very interesting all the crime bills that are
going through the legislature here in Colorado and getting killed
in committee after committee after committee, and they would be
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so popular if the people knew about them. Just like
what happens, Truth and Sentencing last year on the ballot
lost two years in a row on a party line
vote in committee, becomes the most popular citizen initiated ballot
measure when the people actually get a look at it.
I mean, shockingly, do we want violent criminals to serve
at least eighty percent of their sentence before being released?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Shockingly that people said, yes, we.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Do, but the legislature on a party line vote said
no years in a row. So there's a number of
bills that are actually well already been Im courage don't.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Want to talk about it.
Speaker 8 (25:32):
Brought that up because I think they kind of got
swept under the rug maybe in the last year's election coverage.
So Christy, what you're saying is, of course the Democrats
they don't want Truth and Sentence them, we want not
early release for violent offenders, because you know who doesn't.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Nobody does.
Speaker 8 (25:44):
But what you're saying is the ballot initiative, which I
remember voting for, passed by a large margin. So no
matter what the Democrats said or wanted, because that went through,
that is now the case.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
It is al awful is there we go in Colorado,
And yeah, it was the most popular citizen initiated ballot measure,
even beat out abortion in Colorado, which I.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Very much disliked. That was the second most popular.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
But I guess people you know, would rather stop violent
criminals even more than they'd like to keep their abortions.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
But very disturbing in its own right.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
But what I also want to cover is just going
back because Phil Wiser suing the Trump administration for trying
to dismantle Department of Education.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I want to make a really big point that emphasizes.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Bureaucracy and administration and cutting that is not the same
as cutting funding to our schools. And if you believe
like I do, that we should have more of education
dollars that already exist put into the classroom, pay teachers, more,
get students supplies, pay aids to help the kids with
special needs.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Those are things that should be funded in education.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
But the problem is not that we don't have enough
money to do it. It's that only fifty five percent of
education dollars in Colorado goes to the classroom. All the
rest goes to admin. We have huge school districts across Colorado,
including Saint Vrain and Cherry Creek school districts that are
losing student population but still growing admin admin positions. ADMIN
spending is growing while student population is lowering. Common Sentence
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put out a great report on this. And so at
the federal level, when you look at President Trump dismantling
the Department of Education, that's what he's cutting is the
bureaucracy and the layers that you have to pass through,
all these staff, all these.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
People, all these regulations.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Then finally a lesser amount of money gets into the classrooms.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Basically they passed through all these hands. First, a question for.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
You to ponder during the break that I think would
benefit our listeners, Christy, because you are now elected to
the State Board of Education. What it means for education
for every student in the state of Colorado if the
Department of Education is completely wiped out and eliminated.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, we'll talk about that. I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're
on the Dan Kepler.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
Show and now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
You're not going to Dave Pabla Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Anytime you have thoughts, you can text Dan to five seven,
seven thirty nine or you can call in eight five
five four zero five eight two five five in our
last few minutes in this hour, and we're to carry
it over into the next hour because I think Representative
Brandy Bradley is going to be joining us at the
top of the next hour to talk about one of
her bills that got killed in committee.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
It's a crime related bill.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I think you're gonna be shocked to hear that this
got killed, or maybe not if you follow what commonly
goes on at the legislature.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
But she can provide more details for us.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
You're definitely gonna want to stay on into the next
hour and hear what she has to say.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
But I'm gonna go through a list.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
These are some crime related bills that have already been
killed by the legislature this year.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
First of all, retail theft. What this bill would have done.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
It was very similar to the bill that every single
county in California voted for last year, and it basically
increased punishment for those smash and grab gangs that go
into stores like Walmart, home Depot wherever. Multip people go in,
destroy a lot of products, then also carry out a
bunch of whatever they want and California had some limit
on it. I don't know if it was like, you
only got a misdemeanor for was under nine under one
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thousand dollars, And so they'd always go up to that
limit and then not go to jail for it and
not be penalized hardly at all, and they just go
back in and keep doing it.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And then there was.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Also a real problem with the non smash and grab gangs,
just random people going in and stealing from retail stores. Well,
we have a similar problem in Colorado, not probably quite
to California's level. California's always leads the nation and these
kind of things, but Colorado, according to US News and
World Report, is the third most dangerous state in the nation,
and property crimes are one of the worst issues here
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in addition to violent crime.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
So anyway, there was a.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Legislator that proposed a bill similar to the one in California,
would have increased penalties for smash and grab gangs for
retail theft that is increasing and starting to close stores
here in Colorado as well, and it was killed on
a party line vote. So why in the world we
don't want to penalize people who are closing businesses in
Colorado by the crimes they're committing, hurting Colorado economically.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
If you look at all the.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Polls and reports that measure staffs across the nation, and
not only does it show Colorado dropping and plummeting to
the bottom of the list when it comes to how
safe we are, you see the same thing happening with economics.
We're not quite to the botom of the list yet.
But as far as a state to inflation numbers, where
I think I heard the top state for inflation right now,
very recently, we have really bad numbers across the economic spectrum,
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falling year by year, and it's because of things like this.
It's crime related, but then it affects economics because you
have businesses that leave the state.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Another issue. Let's look at.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
The next one, PR bonds. This happened just last night.
I believe there was a hearing, so PR bond's personal
recognizance bonds. If you don't know what that is, it
means when someone commits a crime, they can go in
front of a judge and just promise that they'll come
back for a trial, and so they're let Personal recognizance
means my promise that I'll show back up. You don't
have to do bail, no bonding, nothing like that, no
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money on the line, You.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Just say I'll show up.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Well, we have a history in Colorado of people who
are being let out on PR bonds recommitting crime, sometimes
even more violent offenses. The recent stabbing in downtown Denver
was committed by someone who is out on a PR bond.
There was a series of carjackings that was committed by
someone who was out on PR bonds. In fact, he
committed an original crime, was let out on a PR bond,
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then committed a carjacking, was let out again on a
second PR bond, and then what do you think he did?
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Wow, went back out and did another carjacking. So this
is what's happening in Colorado recently. This is current news
going on something very similar. What some judges do is
they won't let you out on a personal recognissance bond.
Your promise isn't good enough, But all you have to
do one er two dollars bond. That's all they require.
Give them one dollar two dollars you're out the same
level of damage that's done.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Because these people get out not taken seriously at.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
All, and they go and recommit crimes, often much worse
ones than they were originally arrested with. So this legislator
brought a bill that would stop pr bonds for violent
criminals in Colorado, killed in committee on a party line vote.
Just last night, there was another bill dealing with immigration
issues here in Colorado. Despite the claims of Mayor Mike
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Johnson from Denver, despite the claims of Governor Poulis, we
are in fact a sanctuary state here in Colorado. National
nonpartisan organizations name Colorado and the city of Denver as
sanctuary city, sanctuary state. It's very clear, like, look at
the laws, look at the data, look at the facts
instead of politicians' claims. But there were different laws passed
in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty one, and twenty twenty three
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that made Colorado a sanctuary state.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
One of the worst.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
In twenty twenty one prohibited all law enforcement across the
state from sharing any database or any information with ICE,
and if they wouldn't sign an agreement to reject information
sharing with ICE, they would be prohibited from accessing the
Colorado drives system.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
What that is is police officers need it.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Obviously, they check people's driver's license and do all these
things when they're arresting people. They wouldn't get access to
that database if they didn't agree to prevent any information
sharing with ICE. So basically, it was a way to
enforce the state's position on sanctuary state status onto every
single local law enforcement across the state.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Number of other laws that enforced this status as well.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
Well.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
There was a bill trying to reverse this because we've
seen around the nation that when you don't even work
with ICE to deport violent criminals and repeat felons, those
people stay in your state and commit a whole lot
of crimes, including murder, and Colorado isn't a law enforcement
aren't allowed to cooperate with ICE, even when we're talking
about violent criminals or repeat felons. There are a few
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exceptions when there's like a federal task force involved arresting people.
So there's a few exceptions out there, but of course
you'll hear Governor Polis and Mayor Johnston talk only about
the exceptions rather than the main part of the rule,
which as.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
You can't coordinate with ICE.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
So anyway, in order to solve this crime problem, there
was another bill run in a legislative committee trying to
reverse one of those sanctuary state laws in Colorado, and
of course party lined votes not passing that either we're
going to stay exactly as we are. And one thing
I think is important to know is that you'll hear
Mayor Johnston and Governor Polis some of the other Democrats say, oh, no,
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we do cooperate with ICE whenever there's a warrant, and
they really they sneak that word.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
In when there's a warrant.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
When there's a warrant, a warrant requires a judge to
order cooperation. That does happen on occasion with some violent criminals.
There are so many more that ICE wants to pick
up that they're never given a warrant for. And so
there's all these ones that fall through the cracks because
Colorda law enforcement is not even allowed if they want
to to work with ICE and get these people out
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of our state. Her committee violent crimes, who are involved
in gang activity, and who are you know, keeping our
kids and our communities and our citizens unsafe because they
know they have a safe haven here. The TDA gang
made Denver their US headquarters because of the sanctuary city status,
and a legislator tried to reverse this got shot down
on a party line vote. When we come back on
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the Dan Kapli Show, we're going to bring on Representative
Brandy Bradley to talk about her bill that would have
ended probation for child rapists that also got killed. I
believe on a party line vote. She'll fill us in
after the break. You're on the Dan cap A Show.
I'm Kristy Burton Brown.
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Welcome to the Dan Taplas Show.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I'm Christy Britton Brown in for Dan today, who's in trial.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Thank you for listening, and I want to give a
shout out.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I don't know if he's listening right now, but to
a state trooper I met today when I was at
my State Board of Ed meetings. I'm now on the
State Board of Education. Today was our second day of
meetings for the month, and I met a state trooper
who said he sometimes listens to me on the Dan
Caplis Show. And he talked about some of his work
as a state trooper, which is really great to meet him.
I love meeting people across the state who are fun
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to meet, do a lot of good work for the state,
and who apparently listened to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
So I think he listens to Dan too. I'm sure
that's who he really listens to.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
But anyway, Brad, if you're on here, thanks for introducing
yourself today and thank you for your work as a
state trooper keeping us all safe. We have a lot
of interesting political issues. I kind of do every day
right with a twenty four to seven cycle of news,
there's always something new popping up. But the legislative session
down at the Capitol is in full swing, and so
are the issues in DC. It really never seems to
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slow down. Sometimes I wonder if it is always been
like this through all of American history, and do we
just not get the news fed to us all the
time before the politician's always a busy or because of
the twenty four to seven news cycle now, does everyone
feel like they have to constantly be doing something so
that they can get covered.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
By the news.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'm not exactly sure how it works, but I think
Senator John Fetterman from Pennsylvania has been fairly interesting in
this whole continuing resolution government shut down issue that's been
going on.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
As I'm sure you all know, he sometimes will take
a step away from his party.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I think he likes to present himself as a more
man of the people.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I mean, I assume that's what he's doing. Is Jim
Schwartz and hoodies.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I am not one hundred percent sure, but I think
he's still way far out there liberal if you actually
look at most of what he does. But on occasion
he does make some reasonable statements. I'm going to play
a few clips from him today, especially because it looks
like one of our own senators, John Hickenlooper.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Is possibly inching over to.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
The position of John Fetterman, even though earlier he was
saying he was definitely not going to vote on that side.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Looks like Higginloper's is swaying a little bit.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Bennett, I think staying erb in the court with the
other Democrats. But here is a tweet from Senator John Fetterman.
He says, shut the government down, plunge the country into
chaosk risk a recession or exchange cloature for a thirty
day continuing resolution that one hundred percent fails, the House
GOP continuing resolution will then pass the Senate because it
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only needs fifty one votes.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Now here's the key sentence.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
He says total theater is neither honest with constituents nor
a winning argument, and that at the moment at least,
is directed at his own party, saying, basically, if I
could attempt to paraphrase him, what are we doing going
all over the news acting like we can win this
and acting like we're the resistance and we can actually
get somewhere when the Republicans control the Senate, the House,
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and the White House and can actually pass what they want. Like,
what's the point of acting for the American public and
pretending we can accomplish something that we can't. He also
says that he will never this is his quote, he
will never vote to shut things down. I think it's
an interesting position. Not sure that's where I would be,
(03:30):
but I'm also not a senator. So let's listen in
to Senator Fetterman's comment on that Democrats are going to.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Have the choice to vote for whether you when it's
the cloture or the final one, you know, and if
you refuse to or you withhold your vote, you are
voting about shutting the government down. And so that's always
been my point. Now, it's a cr that we all
agree we don't like, and we don't we don't co
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sign on all of those elements. But for me, it's
about we can't ever allow the government to shut down.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
But you know that he kind of goes over to
the Democrat viewpoint. Oh, a democratic the government must always exist.
It can't ever get shut down. So you know, I
guess for whatever reason he wants to come over and
be reasonable, we'll take it. But I mean, how many
times have Republicans held their nos and voted for a
Democrat continuing resolution, resigning themselves to the fact that whichever
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party is in control is going to get it through.
I wouldn't love it either, But here we are, and
now it's slipped on the Democrats, and now they would
love to throw a big fit and not resign themselves
to the fact of what's actually just gonna happen. But
I think one of the most interesting comments that I
have heard in this whole discussion that always seems to
come up again more continuing resolutions, one after the other
after the other. We can ever just have an actual
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budget for the government. I hope we get to that
at some point again. But he's a commentator on CNN
talking about what he might be afraid of that Trump
might to do if the government were to shut down.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I think this is away out there, but also kind
of money.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
And there are a lot of Democrats, Jake, who are
in that camp right now, and remains to be seen
how long Schumer could keep them on his side.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
We expect that they would.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Need at least eight Democrats to vote to break a filibuster.
That vote could happen as early as Friday morning, and
that vote would just be hours before the deadline, which
is eleven to fifty nine pm Friday night. And if
it does ultimately lead to a shutdown, Jake, some Democrats
are just simply worried what Donald Trump would do in
that situation, having the government shut down, having Congress having
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to rely on Republican votes to reopen the government, how
much Trump would demand in that case, which is why
at the end of the day, some Democrats and Republicans
believe a deal could be a voted in the last
minute here or Democrats ultimately could decide to vote for
this Republican bill and send it into law. So some
time to play out here for the moment, Jake, the
Democratic leader indicating he plans to fight this as soon
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as Friday.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I mean, that's one way to attempts to give Democrats
cover in voting for either cloture or the continuing resolution.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Say, oh, they're giving because they're afraid of.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
What Trump might do if the government shut down, what
deal he might make, how much he might require.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Us to put up in exchange for that deal.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Like, I think it's a pretty funny way of covering
the reality that they know they don't have the votes
and just have to go with the majority in the end.
But anyway, let's go to Senator John Hickenlooper and his thoughts,
especially since from what I've been reading today, I'm sure
some of you been following it as well. Originally he
was like, no, no, no, no chance, I vote for Klochuer.
I'm standing firm on this, not going to Republicans. But
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now it looks like I said, he might be inching
over to John Fetterman's position of well, maybe we really
just should make sure the government doesn't shut down.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Well, hey, I don't think they would be a shutdown.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I think.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
With the my sense, because of the Senate will always
wait till last minute, and then we'll compromise and collaborate,
figure out some way to get to a h you know,
something that's at least a little bi partisan. I don't
there are that many Republicans who are happy to try
it and continuing resolution down the other sides, So that
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when we had the majority of when we had the
White House, House in the majority of the Senate, but.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
We never try something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
You're optimistic. That's good. We can't afford to be pestimistic.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
In this in this universe.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Well, I do appreciate his optimism. I tend to always
go on the side of optimism as well. But I
think it's funny that he claims the Democrats have never
tried anything like this. I don't know where he's been living,
but it probably is not in the sentence here. In
this comment, he's a little more clear about what he's
thinking of doing as far as his vote goes, and
this is where people are thinking he's indicating perhaps a
vote change and a move over to joining Fetterman.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
So Cher say, you're leaning towards voting for the CR
he's ving for quote Chap.
Speaker 7 (07:46):
Yeah, I think I'm leaning in that direction. But I'm
you know, I've gone back and forth on this thing
three times, because it is it is two horrible choices,
and it's hard to imagine two worse choices where you
in either case, you can envision terrible things happening, people
losing funding for essential things in Colorado that the people
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depend on. We're talking about you know, medical situations, we're
talking about veterans' jobs, we're talking about education.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I mean, it's.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
A waterfall of horrible.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Always the world is going to end whenever the government,
you know, isn't funded every penny that the Democrats think
they should be funded.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
That's always an entertaining position.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
But later on in the show, I do want to
talk about specifically the dismantling, as they're calling it, of
the Department of Education by President Trump and what that
means for funding. I had to talk about it a
decent amount recently, a lot of people asking questions phil Wiser,
having the state of Colorado joined twenty other states today
in a lawsuit challenging Trump's ability to do that. I
have a whole lot of thoughts that we'll get to
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in the next segment. But when we've been speaking about
Hickenlooper and Bennett having a different position on this continuing
Resolution vote, I think all signs point to Michael Bennett
running for for the Democrats. I am very curious what
all of you think of that. Other Democrats, certainly in
the ring as well, Phil Wiser, there's talk about whether
not Jenna Griswold will jump in. I'm sure you all
love her, but would I would love to get your
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thoughts on it. We'll talk about that in the next segment.
You can call in over the break eight five five
four zero five eight two five five or text your
thoughts to Dan at five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
You're back on the Dan Capla Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown.
Before we left on the last break, I said that
I think it's very clear that Michael Bennett most likely
to be running for governor for the Democrats. I think
Phil Wiser is the only one who's officially announced for
the Democrats.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Maybe there's a few people I.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Don't know about who've announced, but I think at least
of recognizable names, he's the one doing it. I see
people all over Twitter talking about whether or not Jenna
Griswold is going to jump in the race, but other
people are like, no, she's.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Going to jump in the race for attorney General.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Oh, maybe she'll run for Senate and wait for that seed.
I would imagine the most likely is that she runs
for attorney general, because that is probably going to be
the most open spot for the Dems, because if either
Michael Bennett or Joan of Goose run for governor, they
are going to be, in my view, the front runners
in that seat. Not only do they have the ability
to raise money like Jenna Griswold also has antilizer for
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that matter, but they have in the case of Michael Bennett,
way higher name id, He's been on the statewide ballot
multiple times and is in the news more often on
a national basis, all the common channels that ColorADD In's
watch just by nature of being a US Senator.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
He's certainly, you know, he kind of holds back sometimes, but.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Recently he's been He's gotten himself purposely in the news
quite a bit. I think it's because he's leaning towards
running for governor. Jonah Goose is very charismatic speaker for
the Democrats, but also in a high position right now
in the US House. And if if the Democrats think
that they have a shot of winning back the House
in the midterms in twenty six I would at least
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take a guess that Jonah Goose may wish to stay
there so that he can move up through the ranks
of leadership in the House instead of.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Running for governor. But hey, what do I know.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I am certainly not an insider to all the Democrats planning,
But those are some thoughts being thrown around.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Curious what you all think.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I certainly think Michael Bennett is probably the most moderate
of all those potential candidates. Certainly extreme on a lot
of issues, but so moderate is always relative. But when
you're contrasting Jenna Griswold or Phil Wiser and his terrible
record on crime and dealing with even auto theft here
in Colorado, and drug rings and fentanyl, and you contrast
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that with Michael Bennett, you see someone who is a
little more along the lines of Jared Polis, who I
know all of us find a lot of reasons to
see that he is extreme as well. But I'm saying,
if you take the Democrats as a whole in Colorado
and you carve out the little spot for the socialists,
you carve out the spot for the extreme left, and
then you see who's left, and they are all still
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on the left, you can find a few that maybe.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
At least agree with us on charter schools.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Few of them agree with us on tabor, maybe a
few of them agree with us on some economic issues,
and you know.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I will take personally.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I would take that over someone who is wrong on
every single issue under the sun and isn't going to
support some of those core education and economic issues that
are very popular in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Mean taper, for.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Example, the Taxpayers Bill of Rights supported by seventy percent
of Colorado's and I find it very interesting that it's
a main topic of conversation on the House and Senate
floors here in Denver right now because they're facing a huge, huge,
I think a one.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Billion dollars shortfall in the budget.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Important to note that it is not a budget cut,
but instead a decrease in the increase. And knowing that
some of this funding was going away in the next
few years, the Colorado legislature, the leaders over there, decided
to commit spending to programs that we're going to continue
year after year, even though the funding wasn't going to
continue year after year. And they knew that, And now
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they find themselves in a hole really created out of
their own making. But on the House and Senate floor,
what are they talking about? Oh, this is the fault
of tavor. The taxpayer's bill of Rights basically saying we
should be able to spend however much we want. Colorado
is a contributive, you know, but if you don't. Colorado
is the only state in the nation that actually has
the taxpayers Bill of Rights that says there's a revenue
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cap on the legislature. There's a limit to how much
they can spend when they collect our tax dollars. They're
capped on how much of it they can spend. Population
and inflation comes into that formula. But it's not an
unlimited amount that ooh, we collected it, we can spend it. No,
the overage is actually considered still belonging to the people
must be returned to the people. That's why you get
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refunds right now. We've been getting them every year for
a few years. There was a period of time where
we didn't get refunds at all because it's all based
on whether or not the state actually collects over that
revenue cap, and right now they have been doing that,
so a lot of people are now familiar with those
refund checks. That's the taxpayer's bill of Rights, and as
much as they're going to complain on the House and
Senate floor here and Colorado saying, Oh, if only we
could keep that money instead of the people.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I mean, think about what they're saying.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
They're saying that if you just gave them more money
to spend all the time and they didn't actually have
to budget like the average Colorado family does, then they'd
be able to pay for all the things. And in reality,
they need to cut a whole lot of things. If
you have thoughts, you can text them to Dan at
five seven seven three nine. You can also call in
eight five five four zero five eight two five five.
I'm Christy Burton Brown and for Dan today while he's
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in trial. So when we talk about the Colorado State
government Democrats running for governor, I should a for action.
Before I go there, I should let you know there's
a new Republican who jumped into the governor's race just today.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
He's a very unique candidate.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Ernest Lunning from Colorado Politics reported it very recently while
I've actually been talking, and it is the sheriff of
I think he's Teller County. I know he lives in
Wolden Park, so Teller County. His name is Jason Mike
sel I hope I'm saying that the right way. But
he's been in the news quite a bit in Colorado
on the immigration an issue. Has taken a very strong
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stand against Colorado's sanctuary state status, the limitations that state
law has put on sheriffs and on law enforcement where
they are not allowed to coordinate with ice to deport
even violent criminals and repeat felons. So if you've heard
his day before, that's probably where you've heard it is
in the immigration context, fighting against colorado sanctuary state status.
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I've had the privilege of talking to him about some
of these issues personally. I think he's very strong on
the law and order. Obviously, it's why he's a sheriff,
but has been a good sheriff in that area of
the state.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
So anyway, that's a new announcement today.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
On the Republican side, I know Senator Mark Baisley has
also announced he's running for governor, and I feel like
there's another Republican that I'm gonna regret forgetting in the
next few minutes. But I feel like there's another Republican
who's announced many more on both sides to announce. I
have no doubt Michael Bennett has even announced yet, it's
just he's being talked about right now on the dem side,
So already all these races are starting because no incumbents
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can run into twenty six on the Democrat side will
be an entirely new slate of officers. I don't know
about you, but for me, I find that to be
fairly scary to see who they come up with next,
and interesting to see who the Republicans run on our side.
I know a lot of people think Senator Barb Kirkmeyer
may run for the Republicans. I think there's some business
people looking into it. We'll definitely find out in the
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near future. But Phil Wiser has found another way to
get himself in the news while he's running for governor.
He has decided to join twenty other states in suing
the Trump administration for their announcement that they'll be dismantling
the Federal Department of Education by cutting the staff in half.
So some people expected Trump to just immediately eliminate the
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Federal Department of Education. I think this move is probably
better saying, hey, let's cut it in half first, and
you can manage the dismantling in that way. In a
proper way. But phil Wiser is suing and saying no, no, no,
you have to keep them intact. You don't have the
power to do that. I would love to ask when
the last time we have seen states suing the federal
government saying no, you need to keep bureaucracy, keep more
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of the federal government. Usually when states attorneys general sue
the federal government, it's to say get off our back,
leave us alone, stop telling us what to do. But
it seems like phil Wiser would like the federal government
to continue telling Colorado education what to do.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I find that to be.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
A very very strange position and not one we should welcome.
It's it's not a healthy position for a state to take,
no matter who the president is. So I find that
to be very puzzling. I think we can get into
it more in the next segment. But it's very important
to note that cutting the Department of Education's bureaucracy and
staff is not the same as cutting funding for education.
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That's what people are really concerned about. Is this going
to cut funding for kids and education in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
It's not.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
We can talk about why that's not the case, despite
what who might be hearing on the news in the
next segment. You can call in over the break eight
five five four zero five eight two five five or
texts Dan to five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're on the Dan cap Show.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Ryan has always great songs.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I'll say that at least once a show, because you're
right on with all the songs. The Democrats could take
a lesson from that song.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I think you.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
Know exactly the lesson of Kenny Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
No win to fold when it comes to Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
I was actually on the Coloro Inside Out panel last week,
I think it was, and we were talking about Donald
Trump's speech to Congress. I guess technically not the State
of the Union, because you can't give that the same
year you get inaugurated, but whatever I joint addressed to Congress,
and one of the other commentators I thought made a
really good point saying the Democrats have not yet figured
out how to deal with this president. President Trump is
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not what you might expect. He is not like most
other Republicans, most other presidents, and I don't know, waving
your cane at him and yelling to you can it
doesn't work holding up?
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Was it uh not?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Pickleball paddles something.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Yeah, exactly like bidding at an auction panels.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
So many people say that it's like, God, I used
to work at an auction. It's actually my very first
job ever. Wow, I've been doing to order door sales
of little coupon books nice to raise money for my
figure skating. I did do that, but after that I
actually was a runner at an auction in rural Colorado,
And so I just find it very funny that, Yeah,
the Democrats are they're either playing ping pongs, doing an auction,
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making some bids.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
They don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
Well, they're cursing the darkness, and that's something Dan talks
about in the show off. And they're not offering any solutions, alternatives,
any light at the end of the tunnel.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
None of that.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
There's no optimism, there's no plan or positivity for the futures.
Trump bad orange Man Hitler, like they've already tried everyone Hitler,
Christ you know they've already tried the hair on fire histrionics,
the two impeachments, the weapon of the DOJ, the thirty
four so called felony convictions.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
They've tried all of that. It's all white noise.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Now.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
I would think for those who are in the middle,
that maybe they voted in the following order. They voted
Trump sixteen, they went to Biden twenty, and they went
back to Trump in twenty four.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
I think there are a lot of those voters.
Speaker 8 (20:17):
There are the ones that have endured all these Democratic
attacks on Trump, and they're just automatic the reflects of
their knee jerk. I think the average America is just
sick of it, and it's white noise to them.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
No, And I think you're right, Ryan. I think one
of the things the clips that I like the best
from Trump's speech is he looked at them and He's like,
look at all these people in front of me, no
matter what I do, no matter what I say, They're
not going to clap, they're not going to cheer, they're
not even gonna smile.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
I can bring up a thirteen year old boy with
cancer and they won't cheer him.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
And they didn't.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
They And I was talking to the people, and I'm
saying I would think if you were strategic at all,
you would be sitting there with your plan as the Democrats,
you would hear that comment from Trump, and you would
break from your plan and you would want to prove
him wrong. You would find some things to cheer for,
You would find some things to clap for you, so
that people were like, wait, why did Trump accuse them
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of all that they're actually being reasonable?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
But here's the problem.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
This is really my opinion that by and large the
Democrat Party marches in line, they are conditioned to mostly
be robots, like this is what we do. We all
do it, this is our plan. We do not move
from it. I mean, you see this at the legislati
committees here in Colorado when they write on crime bills
I wish I'm actually going to talk about.
Speaker 8 (21:29):
But did you see also on x there were like
dozens I think of Democratic members of Congress that put
out the exact same post word for word, like they
were plucked from talking points.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Oh there's some same video of Trump like created by AI.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
They all were posting and commenting.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
On exactly just to your point of them being a
hive mind.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, and like you.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Know, sometimes I admit to wishing the conservatives had a
little bit more of that in US, where we could
march in line to the same tune on occasion and
actually like now fight about silly bylaw things and like,
you know, actually get things done.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
You know, so we it's.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Nice sometimes, but I think if you have to choose
between a party and a political mindset that says you
will stay in line, you will be a robot, you
will fit in the box, you will do all the
same thing and no matter what's happening, you cannot change
in real time and listen to people's testimonies. You can't
respond to a speech. You must do what we previously
agreed to do. Or if you had to choose a
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party that you know doesn't have that has a lot
of independent thought that therefore sometimes I feel like, can
create more arguments and more pushback and more criticism of
how we message and of personalities. I think you see
that a lot on the Republican side. But I would
pick that party because like principles decide, I'm talking about style.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I would pick that party because they value the.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Ability to think for yourself and to actually like change
your mind and come to some decisions instead of like, no,
you must follow the leaders. Simon says, come on, people,
I think.
Speaker 8 (23:03):
There's a wiggle room in the middle of what you're
talking about of being I wish being pragmatic though, And
the way I would handle it is the way I
try to handle it with my fiance, which is, you know,
you never want to have those arguments in public, right,
Like if you and your husband, Christy are at a restaurant,
comes up, you have a disagreement, that's okay, and we'll
talk about it when we get home and we'll sort
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it out, and it might get a little heated behind
closed doors, but we're not going to sort that out
in public. We're going to be very focused and pragmatic
in our approach of about what we present to the voters.
But instead you got all this, like you're saying, the
theater of it all, and the clicks and the likes
and the buzz of it all on social media platforms
and getting on the TV hits and appearances for seeing
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an MSNBC or Fox News. And there are just too many,
I think in Congress that are obsessed with that, and
that is the politics of self rather than the politics
of being part of a team.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
And like you said, it's not that you always go
along to get at but.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
You pick your spots right and you pull together in
one direction, maybe you kind of take a short term
setback for long term gain, but you have those conversations
as have them behind closed doors, right.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I think that's so smart.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
The politics of self is a great line, actually, but
you don't always have to be independent to prove the
turn independent thinker. And I think so many Republicans, people
on my side, even people I like, are like, I
am going to be my own person so much. That's like, okay,
but can you occasionally be a team player because sometimes
you need other people and you need relationships. You need
connections to get things done. Now every so often it
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actually even means you have to cross the political aisle
and do it on a bipartisan basis.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Even sometimes that horrors has to happen.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I think we would do better if we actually built
more relationships instead of siloing ourselves away. But you know,
we all have our own opinions on what works and
what doesn't. But one thing I do want to cover
a little bit before I get into all the crime bills,
because actually very interesting all the crime bills that are
going through the legislature here in Colorado and getting killed
in committee after committee after committee, and they would be
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so popular if the people knew about them. Just like
what happens, Truth and Sentencing last year on the ballot
lost two years in a row on a party line
vote in committee, becomes the most popular citizen initiated ballot
measure when the people actually get a look at it.
I mean, shockingly, do we want violent criminals to serve
at least eighty percent of their sentence before being released?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Shockingly that people said, yes, we.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Do, but the legislature on a party line vote said
no years in a row. So there's a number of
bills that are actually well already been Im courage don't.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Want to talk about it.
Speaker 8 (25:32):
Brought that up because I think they kind of got
swept under the rug maybe in the last year's election coverage.
So Christy, what you're saying is, of course the Democrats
they don't want Truth and Sentence them, we want not
early release for violent offenders, because you know who doesn't.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Nobody does.
Speaker 8 (25:44):
But what you're saying is the ballot initiative, which I
remember voting for, passed by a large margin. So no
matter what the Democrats said or wanted, because that went through,
that is now the case.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
It is al awful is there we go in Colorado,
And yeah, it was the most popular citizen initiated ballot measure,
even beat out abortion in Colorado, which I.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Very much disliked. That was the second most popular.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
But I guess people you know, would rather stop violent
criminals even more than they'd like to keep their abortions.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
But very disturbing in its own right.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
But what I also want to cover is just going
back because Phil Wiser suing the Trump administration for trying
to dismantle Department of Education.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I want to make a really big point that emphasizes.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Bureaucracy and administration and cutting that is not the same
as cutting funding to our schools. And if you believe
like I do, that we should have more of education
dollars that already exist put into the classroom, pay teachers, more,
get students supplies, pay aids to help the kids with
special needs.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Those are things that should be funded in education.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
But the problem is not that we don't have enough
money to do it. It's that only fifty five percent of
education dollars in Colorado goes to the classroom. All the
rest goes to admin. We have huge school districts across Colorado,
including Saint Vrain and Cherry Creek school districts that are
losing student population but still growing admin admin positions. ADMIN
spending is growing while student population is lowering. Common Sentence
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put out a great report on this. And so at
the federal level, when you look at President Trump dismantling
the Department of Education, that's what he's cutting is the
bureaucracy and the layers that you have to pass through,
all these staff, all these.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
People, all these regulations.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Then finally a lesser amount of money gets into the classrooms.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Basically they passed through all these hands. First, a question for.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
You to ponder during the break that I think would
benefit our listeners, Christy, because you are now elected to
the State Board of Education. What it means for education
for every student in the state of Colorado if the
Department of Education is completely wiped out and eliminated.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, we'll talk about that. I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're
on the Dan Kepler.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
Show and now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
You're not going to Dave Pabla Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Anytime you have thoughts, you can text Dan to five seven,
seven thirty nine or you can call in eight five
five four zero five eight two five five in our
last few minutes in this hour, and we're to carry
it over into the next hour because I think Representative
Brandy Bradley is going to be joining us at the
top of the next hour to talk about one of
her bills that got killed in committee.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
It's a crime related bill.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I think you're gonna be shocked to hear that this
got killed, or maybe not if you follow what commonly
goes on at the legislature.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
But she can provide more details for us.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
You're definitely gonna want to stay on into the next
hour and hear what she has to say.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
But I'm gonna go through a list.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
These are some crime related bills that have already been
killed by the legislature this year.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
First of all, retail theft. What this bill would have done.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
It was very similar to the bill that every single
county in California voted for last year, and it basically
increased punishment for those smash and grab gangs that go
into stores like Walmart, home Depot wherever. Multip people go in,
destroy a lot of products, then also carry out a
bunch of whatever they want and California had some limit
on it. I don't know if it was like, you
only got a misdemeanor for was under nine under one
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thousand dollars, And so they'd always go up to that
limit and then not go to jail for it and
not be penalized hardly at all, and they just go
back in and keep doing it.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And then there was.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Also a real problem with the non smash and grab gangs,
just random people going in and stealing from retail stores. Well,
we have a similar problem in Colorado, not probably quite
to California's level. California's always leads the nation and these
kind of things, but Colorado, according to US News and
World Report, is the third most dangerous state in the nation,
and property crimes are one of the worst issues here
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in addition to violent crime.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
So anyway, there was a.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Legislator that proposed a bill similar to the one in California,
would have increased penalties for smash and grab gangs for
retail theft that is increasing and starting to close stores
here in Colorado as well, and it was killed on
a party line vote. So why in the world we
don't want to penalize people who are closing businesses in
Colorado by the crimes they're committing, hurting Colorado economically.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
If you look at all the.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Polls and reports that measure staffs across the nation, and
not only does it show Colorado dropping and plummeting to
the bottom of the list when it comes to how
safe we are, you see the same thing happening with economics.
We're not quite to the botom of the list yet.
But as far as a state to inflation numbers, where
I think I heard the top state for inflation right now,
very recently, we have really bad numbers across the economic spectrum,
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falling year by year, and it's because of things like this.
It's crime related, but then it affects economics because you
have businesses that leave the state.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Another issue. Let's look at.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
The next one, PR bonds. This happened just last night.
I believe there was a hearing, so PR bond's personal
recognizance bonds. If you don't know what that is, it
means when someone commits a crime, they can go in
front of a judge and just promise that they'll come
back for a trial, and so they're let Personal recognizance
means my promise that I'll show back up. You don't
have to do bail, no bonding, nothing like that, no
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money on the line, You.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Just say I'll show up.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Well, we have a history in Colorado of people who
are being let out on PR bonds recommitting crime, sometimes
even more violent offenses. The recent stabbing in downtown Denver
was committed by someone who is out on a PR bond.
There was a series of carjackings that was committed by
someone who was out on PR bonds. In fact, he
committed an original crime, was let out on a PR bond,
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then committed a carjacking, was let out again on a
second PR bond, and then what do you think he did?
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Wow, went back out and did another carjacking. So this
is what's happening in Colorado recently. This is current news
going on something very similar. What some judges do is
they won't let you out on a personal recognissance bond.
Your promise isn't good enough, But all you have to
do one er two dollars bond. That's all they require.
Give them one dollar two dollars you're out the same
level of damage that's done.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Because these people get out not taken seriously at.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
All, and they go and recommit crimes, often much worse
ones than they were originally arrested with. So this legislator
brought a bill that would stop pr bonds for violent
criminals in Colorado, killed in committee on a party line vote.
Just last night, there was another bill dealing with immigration
issues here in Colorado. Despite the claims of Mayor Mike
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Johnson from Denver, despite the claims of Governor Poulis, we
are in fact a sanctuary state here in Colorado. National
nonpartisan organizations name Colorado and the city of Denver as
sanctuary city, sanctuary state. It's very clear, like, look at
the laws, look at the data, look at the facts
instead of politicians' claims. But there were different laws passed
in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty one, and twenty twenty three
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that made Colorado a sanctuary state.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
One of the worst.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
In twenty twenty one prohibited all law enforcement across the
state from sharing any database or any information with ICE,
and if they wouldn't sign an agreement to reject information
sharing with ICE, they would be prohibited from accessing the
Colorado drives system.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
What that is is police officers need it.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Obviously, they check people's driver's license and do all these
things when they're arresting people. They wouldn't get access to
that database if they didn't agree to prevent any information
sharing with ICE. So basically, it was a way to
enforce the state's position on sanctuary state status onto every
single local law enforcement across the state.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Number of other laws that enforced this status as well.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
Well.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
There was a bill trying to reverse this because we've
seen around the nation that when you don't even work
with ICE to deport violent criminals and repeat felons, those
people stay in your state and commit a whole lot
of crimes, including murder, and Colorado isn't a law enforcement
aren't allowed to cooperate with ICE, even when we're talking
about violent criminals or repeat felons. There are a few
(33:24):
exceptions when there's like a federal task force involved arresting people.
So there's a few exceptions out there, but of course
you'll hear Governor Polis and Mayor Johnston talk only about
the exceptions rather than the main part of the rule,
which as.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
You can't coordinate with ICE.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
So anyway, in order to solve this crime problem, there
was another bill run in a legislative committee trying to
reverse one of those sanctuary state laws in Colorado, and
of course party lined votes not passing that either we're
going to stay exactly as we are. And one thing
I think is important to know is that you'll hear
Mayor Johnston and Governor Polis some of the other Democrats say, oh, no,
(33:59):
we do cooperate with ICE whenever there's a warrant, and
they really they sneak that word.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
In when there's a warrant.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
When there's a warrant, a warrant requires a judge to
order cooperation. That does happen on occasion with some violent criminals.
There are so many more that ICE wants to pick
up that they're never given a warrant for. And so
there's all these ones that fall through the cracks because
Colorda law enforcement is not even allowed if they want
to to work with ICE and get these people out
(34:27):
of our state. Her committee violent crimes, who are involved
in gang activity, and who are you know, keeping our
kids and our communities and our citizens unsafe because they
know they have a safe haven here. The TDA gang
made Denver their US headquarters because of the sanctuary city status,
and a legislator tried to reverse this got shot down
on a party line vote. When we come back on
(34:47):
the Dan Kapli Show, we're going to bring on Representative
Brandy Bradley to talk about her bill that would have
ended probation for child rapists that also got killed. I
believe on a party line vote. She'll fill us in
after the break. You're on the Dan cap A Show.
I'm Kristy Burton Brown.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
Yeah,
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