Erin Lee, parent of a former Poudre Schools student who was encouraged to transition from female to male, joins Dan to highlight her appropriately timed April Fool's Day testimony on one of the most ridiculous and chilling bills ever proposed at the Colorado General Assembly - HB 25-1312, 'Legal Protections for Transgender Individuals.'
The bill would: 1) define “misgendering” as child abuse (“coercive control”) — bullying parents to either transition their kids or else lose them; 2) protect ANY parent who brings a child to Colorado for mutilation (negating all other state laws and court orders); 3) force all schools to comply with transitioning children (even explicitly attacking charter schools and eliminating any gendered dress code); 4) define “misgendering” and “deadnaming” as discrimination for *all Colorado businesses.'
The bill would: 1) define “misgendering” as child abuse (“coercive control”) — bullying parents to either transition their kids or else lose them; 2) protect ANY parent who brings a child to Colorado for mutilation (negating all other state laws and court orders); 3) force all schools to comply with transitioning children (even explicitly attacking charter schools and eliminating any gendered dress code); 4) define “misgendering” and “deadnaming” as discrimination for *all Colorado businesses.'
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's like the Colorado Democratic Party is just determined to run.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Good businesses out of the state.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And it's something we don't talk about often enough on
this show, and we need to, which is stop and
think about it, right. I mean, Colorado is blessed with
all of these phenomenal natural advantages. I did that, the beauty,
the location, the climate, everything about it. I mean, we
should be absolutely crushing the competition, and it is a
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competition nationwide for jobs, and yet we limp along with
the fraction of the.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Top jobs we should get.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I mean, hey, bud tenders, if that's your vision for
the future of the state, yeah, hey, we're killing it
when it comes to bud tenders. Let's you know, let's
attract and import some moura you know, donors to work
in our marijuana industry. But when it comes to these
top jobs, right, no, Colorado is just trailing way behind
where it should be. And now you've got the Colorado
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Democratic Party down at the legislature doing about everything they
can to try to discourage business from coming here. The
latest thing is, guess what missus businesswoman or business and
mister businessman, you operate a business in Colorado? If this
bill passes, the one that dropped today, And somebody was
making the good point that for a bill to drop today,
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it probably has strong support from leadership or it wouldn't
be introduced this late. That it's now going to become
a violation of the Colorado Anti Discrimination Act for businesses
in this state if they quote miss gender misgender. So,
in other words, you got to lie to be able
to do business here legally.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Think about that, right, It's.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Like that case that's just gone up to the US
Supreme Court out of Colorado, whereas a counselor, no, you
can't be speaking the truth to these kids about no, hey, Johnny,
you're not Jane, You're really Johnny. And here's how you know,
get you back to Johnny and just all of this
blatantly unconstitutional stuff to try to get us to bend
the knee and to be willing to lie. And why
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do you think they're so determined to do that. But anyway,
regardless of motive, and I think motive's pretty clear, you know. Now, Yeah,
Colorado businesses beware. But it's even worse than that, because
what's more important than your business, it's your children. And
if you're in a custody battle in Colorado, under this bill,
the court would have to it's a must take into
account if a parent is misgendering the child, dead, naming,
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or misgendering the child. So you're a parent of this
nine year old girl who now has been convinced she's
really a boy. Well and at that point, if you're
going to call her a girl, guess what, Yeah, it's
probably not going to go well for you and.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
That custody airing.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
So wow, But it does show they think they're bulletproof
in the statewide elections coming up in twenty eight And
do you.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Think that's true?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Ryan? I cannot remember a year, and I know we've
only been blessed with your presence for about five years.
How long has Alexa been here?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Forever? Okay, entire life, for entire life?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
So twenty three years, twenty four.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Years, right, exactly twenty nine and a half.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Okay, yes, yes, I cannot remember a cycle involving a
Senate race and a governor's race. That's such a snoozer.
Nobody wants to talk about it. Nobody's paying attention. I
can't remember anything like that.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Why do you think that is because Democrats have won
for too long and too often, and Corey Gardner was
our one shining moment. Kind of borrowing from the March
madness theme there, Dan, And how long ago was that?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I can tell you because I was there at his
at the hotel for his victory party that night. I
can still picture like it was lunchtime. Isn't that weird?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
But do you think he'll come back?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Do you think he'll get into one of these two races?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I mean, I think he could, Dan.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
He was He was a very effective senator from a
very difficult purple state. I thought, I don't think Corey
Gardner did anything wrong in terms of how he ran
his campaign or served in office.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Oh no, no, just one of the best, one of
the best ever, one of the best ever. So yeah,
I think. Listen, I think, and I haven't talked to
him in years, but I would think that if he
thinks there's a good strong chance to win, he would
be in. You know, my guess is political professionals standing
back are saying, yeah, there'll be a chance in Colorado,
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but probably not this cycle.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
And I look at this cycle and I say, whoa.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I think there might be a real chance in this cycle,
you know, I mean kick and Looper.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Thank god, he's still with us, but.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Barely right right, and the left can't be too excited
about him because he doesn't get anything done. And then
the governor's race, if it's going to be Bennett versus
Wiser in the primary, when do you think Chriswald gets in?
Do you think she gets in?
Speaker 6 (05:09):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
No, Dan, I mean.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Maybe she does.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
If she does, she's got the wrong people in her ear,
but she has no chance. I'm talking about strictly within
the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
My brother, my brother.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Now, if she was the Democrat nominee, she would have
a chance because of the layout of the state. But
within the party, Dan, no, she does not have the
gravitas to run against Bennett Wiser and no Goose whoever
else is getting in, she'll get lost in the shuffle.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Well, listen, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
If you're saying, no Goose is getting in. Then, yeah, no,
goose is I think it would be the nominee. I'm
assuming the goose is not getting in, or Bennett wouldn't
be doing what he's doing right now.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
You said, Dan, I think you're correct, But just to
reaffirm for our listeners that Bennett he intends to hold
on to his Senate seat while he's running for governor.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Oh yeah, I mean, and this is why I think
there are a lot of different reasons, right, GOP nominee,
good campaign, all that other stuff would have a real chance.
But if Bennett's nominee, that's kind of a good starting point, right,
which is this shows how much he cares about you,
mister MS taxpayer. You know, he's blown off his Senate
job while he runs for this one. Yeah, yes, so no,
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not a great look. Three out three someone three eight
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So we go back to this point. Listen, the biggest
reason I would get a cyber truck, and I'm seriously
thinking about it, would be to just stand up against
the terrorists. That would be the biggest reason. I also
think it's probably a great vehicle, but I would probably
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want to get one wrapped, and uh, what are some
of the other options? The American flag? I really like
that idea. It I try to be a little more
subtle out there, but I guess a cyber truck isn't
the most subtle thing on the road.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Get a bald on there too, damn bald.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Now now we're getting somewhere. Yeah, I wonder if there
could be a more little kind of design on it,
or maybe some message. You know how these days every house,
every bathroom you walk into, there's there's some kind of
inspiring message on the wall.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Will laugh love or something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, all that stuff. Yeah yeah, like.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
The people with the Love Lives Here signs.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
That's another one I know.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Who will then go plant a bomb under your tesla?
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Well you know, yeah, all things are relative and that
justifies the means.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, no, that's right, that's right. How's the weather in
Denver right now?
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Cloudy? Little gloomy? Cool? Okay, a little too cool.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I'm up in my trial prep cabin and it's a blizzard. Wow,
it was a blizzard. You is a blizzard?
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Have your animal friends come to visit you? Dan?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
You know, not today not to there's a pretty good
size heard of elk, and they kind of go wherever
they feel like going.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Didn't you have a loyal listener?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
That was a yeah, yeah, but it's too early in
the year. That's going to be like June. You know,
he comes and he sits just right here.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Right outsider window. That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You wonder what he's thinking, right,
you wonder what he's thinking.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Obviously that there's very conservative.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Or bored you never know, I mean, how exciting could
the life of a deer be?
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Things sounds kind of great. He's going around foraging for
food and sleep, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's probably relatively peaceful.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
If you're not getting hunted, that is.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, but come on, these do well, you're right in
hunting season. Other than that, though, what are you worried about?
You're probably worried about the occasional stray bobcat or or
a bear or something. But how much of that's really
going on? So as long as you lay low during
hunting season?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yeah, how out of swivel there, dear?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, and uh, all right, we got
a lot to do. Three or three someone three eight
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dive into this latest bill from the Democrats that would yeah,
your business in Colorado. Guess what you're going to be
in violation of the law unless you're willing to lie
and say boys really a girl?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And so what effect do you think that's going to have?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And then let me open it up a little bit
to this broader issue of why is Colorado performing so
poorly given all that we're blessed with when it comes
to competition for top jobs across America, because obviously we're
competing with every other state. I think there's one big,
screaming answer to that, but then there are some smaller
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what should happen to the people who are vandalizing Tesla's
You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
And what's the deep meaning of that?
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I mean, nice, you said it? Okay, who's Johnny or Jane?
You said it? We're pulled from.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
You talking about the latest transcenity to drop in Colorado,
and this is a bill that would Hey, if you're
a Colorado business, you are operating in violation of the
law unless you're willing to lie. If you misgender somebody,
violate the Colorado Anti Discrimination Act and face all of
the penalties that go with that. So you got that
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to look forward to. And if you're in a child
custody battle, well you've got a choice. You can either
lie or keep your kid. I mean that's an overstatement, right,
but a court would be required to take it into
account in a custody determination if you are quote misgendering
a child. So yeah, good luck with that one. Think
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about that. You're a mom or you're a dad, and
you desperately want to save your child, you know from
this very destructive you wrote. And no, Johnny, you really
are a boy, and let's work together and let's see
counselors and let's do everything we need to do together.
But no, if you're not willing to buy the lie,
then guess what you're going to be at a big
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disadvantage I would expect in their custody hearing. But how
about this one, Ryan, an issue we need to talk
more about on this show.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
And we do not, which is dress codes in schools.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
And I'm just so grateful that at Saint Mary Star
of the Sea, you know where I went from, well,
Saint Sabina and then Saint Mary Star of the Sea
through eighth grade, we had a dress code.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
We had school uniforms, which was so.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Great because then you aren't worried about competing and fashion
and this and that. You got the one thing you're wearing,
you got the little cross tie, you got the one shirt,
and you don't have to worry about the rest of
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
And then you don't have all those issues at school.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
So I just you could still have those, Dan, but
now they have to be unisex. They can't be separate
for boys and girls.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Well, that's what it is saying, right under this bill
provides it a dress code adopted or implemented by a
local education provider must not create or enforce any rules
based on gender, and must allow each student to abide
by any variation of the dress code.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Now, wait a minute, can they dictate that to private schools?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Dan, good question. Let me look into that, right, yeah,
let me look into that, my friend, And you make
such a good kid, says it.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Says by a local education.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Well that would include private schools.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Then yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
But the point that you made in all these other
ones too, and will be talking to Aaron Lee coming
up at the bottom of the hour about the impact
the war on parents continues by these people who are
behind the bill. But the war on business, Dan, when
you talk about the three to ZHO three creative case.
You talked about that on this program. You interviewed the
woman who Lrie Smith, who runs websites. She had to
go all the way to Supreme Court and Jack Phillips
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Masterpiece cake shop. Now, if you're a business owner in
Colorado and now they're telling you if a trans person
comes in and you dead name or misgender them, that
you could be subject defines. I'm getting out of here, man,
I'm leaving. I'm like, okay, now what I'm done. That's it.
It's over.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Well, right, because this goes to a whole different point, right,
and that is now you're being forced You're not only
being forced to violate your faith, you know, which I.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Don't say only that's paramount.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I would think to most folks, you're being forced to
lie as well, because you have to refer to that
person by their chosen gender.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
And so think about that.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I mean, that's why listen, whoever drafted this knows it
doesn't have a chance in the US Supreme Court. Is
as I said earlier, that justices probably won't even take
the bench. They'll probably send their clerks out there to
hear this one. You know, it's such a slam dunk.
But yet, as you noted, you know, the processes the punishment.
So they want to use this to try to intimidate
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people into lying.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
And George Brockler made an important point earlier today I
was talking with him about this dan in that not
only is the process the punishment, but in order for
this to work its way through the mechanics of the
court process, appellate courts all the way up to the
Supreme Court, somebody has to gain standing in a court
of law showing they were harmed by this law, being
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it a business or whoever else. Then they have to
take their case to the next level of court procedure.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
And it's just.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Kind of kicking the can down the road, and they're
buying time with it. So for however long this stays
in law.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Yeah, no, no, that's right.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And then again it comes back to Obviously the Democrats
think they're bulletproof electorally in Colorado, or they wouldn't be
peddling nonsense like this. But let's get back to this
dress code thing.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
For a second.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
So you can't have any distinctions in a school dress
code based on gender. Wow, I'm trying to think through
some of the practical impacts, a.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Lot of them.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
It just goes again, Dan, to the whole notion that
the Left has, apparently that there just aren't differences between
boys and girls. Between men and women were just the same,
there's no fundamental physical characteristics separating the two. So we
all have to be unisex, dress the same, same dress code,
same dress standard. I mean, that doesn't even make sense
from a historical standpoint. As you mentioned, as a young
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man in a private Catholic school, the boys dressed a
certain way and then the girls dressed a certain way,
and I don't remember anybody having a problem with that.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, And it comes back to this interesting issue. Why
is the left willing to die on this hill, which
they're obviously doing nationwide, right they didn't last election. Why
is it so important to them to conduct this war
on women and to try to wipe out any distinctions.
Won't even refer to mothers as mothers, right, They call
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them what birthing units or what's the latest thing?
Speaker 4 (16:03):
They call them birth person Why why.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Are they doing that?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I mean, I'd really love to know people's answer on that.
You can text us as well, Da n five seven
seven through nine. Text with a great and obvious point, Dan,
Trying to force that on a Christian school would be
a direct violation of the First Amendment of the Constitution
and freedom of religion, no question. But then that comes
back to you know, they're just batting the intimidation everything else.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
People not wanting to litigate.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
But that's why I literally thank God for groups like
Alliance Defending Freedom and some of these other groups that
step in and take these cases all the way to
the US Supreme Court and win there. So yeah, but
if this is passed and signed, it'll just become another
one of those Dan, where is misgender defined? I'd argue
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that people who are calling the child the opposite are misgendering.
That is a great point. That is absolutely a great point.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
That's another question I had, Dan, Yeah, do you really
think and you know him quite well, at least from
observation in some of your conversations.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Does Jared Polus sign this madness into law?
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Or is he gonna do like he is apparently doing
with a gun bill and just let it sit on
his desk for ten days well to become law.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I think whoever made the observation that this bill doesn't
get heard this late in the session without the support
of leadership. So and then you come back to the
fact that I believe I shouldn't say it's a fact.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I believe that you.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Have an awful lot of big money on the left
that's very committed to this transcenity stuff. So maybe that's
why this is being pumped out right now, is just
to please some of those special interests.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
But does he sign it?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Well, you know, I think that goes back to is
Polis living in this fantasy world where he thinks he's
going to have some serious chance in a presidential race
to nam a VP spot or a cabinet post or
whatever he is he intending to try to push Hick
and Looper out, or eyeing Bennett's send its seat you
know when it.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Comes to round.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, yeah, But from a political standpoint, right, even Gas
and Kevin Newsom's backing off some of this transit right
right right yeah, because that bubblus burst.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
The scales have fallen from eyes.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Americans see it clearly now, and Americans feel liberated to
speak the truth about it. So Democrats on the wrong
side of this one like so much else three or
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Speaker 3 (18:26):
You're on the Dan Capitlis Show.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Great to welcome Aaron Lee back to the Dan Capitalist Show,
and we're talking today about the latest transanity out of
the Colorado legislatures. If you're a Colorado business, look out.
If you're not willing to lie, you're going to be
violating the law. Aaron, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
Thank an, Thanks for having me and giving me a
ten minute reprieve from this upside down clown world that
is the legislature.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
And now somebody who knows this stuff was tell me
there's no way a bill like this gets dropped this
late unless it has the support of leadership. Do you
do you think this thing's actually going to become law?
Speaker 7 (19:10):
I do, yeah, I think if ten thirty nine, and
the Gender Identity Bill went through success, where the gender
death Certificate bill went.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Through successfully, that this one will as well.
Speaker 7 (19:19):
And it was dropped late Friday night and then scheduled
for today. So it's clear that there is some back
end dealing going on.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
And for those who miss the gender death certificate bill,
correct me if I'm wrong, Aeron, but my memory is that.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Bill would would require.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Medical professionals in Colorado to lie about the actual gender
of the deceased or face criminal penalties.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
Correct, And that bill actually attached to a criminal penalty
along to non compliance.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
So if coroner is not.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
Willing to call a man a woman, then they face
second degree missed the manor up to one hundred eighty
days in jail.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Wow. Wow. And so we've been talking about it with
those who just joined us. Please keep the mem an
overview of the latest wackiness here.
Speaker 7 (20:10):
Yeah, So they filed a House till twenty five, thirteen twelve.
It's a transgender bill of rights essentially, and it is
completely on its face unconstitutional in that it is compelled speech.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
It is a violation of parental rights.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
It essentially defines misgendering as child abuse or coercive control
and fully's parents into either transitioning their kids or losing them.
It protects any parent who brings a child to Colorado
to be mutilated, negating all other state laws and court orders.
It forces all schools to comply with transitioning children, even
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explicitly attacking charter schools and eliminating any gender dress code.
And it defines misgendering and dead naming as discrimination.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Under KATA for all Colorado.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
Businesses and essentially any citizen who is in a place
of public accommodation.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Wow, beautifully laid out wacko stuff, obviously, But what do
you think is behind this? Why is this such an
obsession with the Colorado Democratic Party? Obviously this stuff doesn't
working nationally anymore. They think they're electorally bulletproof here, But
why do you think that they're so determined to go
down this road? I mean, how many transgender people are
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there in Colorado?
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Well, according to my school district, he goes by the
Healthy Kids Colorado Survey upwards of forty seven percent, So
data is accurate here in my district. But it really
seems like they're trippling down in blue states. I have
friends in California who testified today on the girls' sports
build very common sense.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Their governor has supported.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Them, and they were both killed in committee today. So
same things happening here. This villa, in particular, was written
a long time ago by an activist that goes by
the name of Z and she ran it through appointed
radical DSA agitator Larena Garcia.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
And so it's truly the extremists.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
Who are pushing this bill, and I do believe that
it will pass today.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well, let me ask you, because you're in the middle
of all this stuff, Aaron Lee, our guests, Uh, how
do starting on the political level, how do you know
the gay groups feel about all this trans stuff? I mean,
are they, generally speaking the political action arms united with
these trans action arms, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Because it just seems so odd.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
That the Democratic Party now is so obsessed with and
willing to fight and die on the hill of this
crazy trans right stuff.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
Yeah, majority of LGB people that I have communicated with
on this issue are in an opposition to most of
gender ideology. I think a lot of them believe that
it's gay conversion therapy. But you know, effeminate boys are
being encouraged to trans their gayoway. The parents are being
encouraged trans their kids gay away. We're really lucky to
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have gays against groomers here in Colorado. Rich Guggenheim just
testified with me here on my panel that this is
gay conversion therapy and the LGB community does not convent
to having the TQ plus attached.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Fascinating, fascinating.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Now, Aaron d have a minute for those who may
be new to the show or to you, to just
tell them your story.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
So twenty twenty one, my twelve year old daughter was
secretly transitioned in her sixth grade classroom in a secret
gender and sexuality club where outside predators were invited in.
She was essentially convinced that her normal pubesset discomfort means
she's actually a transgender boy. And because she didn't know
who she was sexually attracted to, they also gave her
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the label of queer and gave her swag to go
along with her new label, and she was essentially pushed
onto this what I call classroom to clinic pipeline where
she was bullied with the suicide myth, if you don't transition,
you'll be suicidal. We were then bullied with the suicide myth.
We're lucky we found out that she was in this
secret club. The school tried hard to conceal it from us,
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and we were able to help her through the confusion.
But we went through a really dark year and that
included a suicide attempt from our daughter because this confusion
was so overwhelming for her. So we're one of the
lucky ones that got her out of the darkness. That
is not the norm for parents like me.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Oh so lucky to have you.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
And you think of all the suffering out there by kids,
by parents, everything else, and then this politically driven agenda,
you know, and you still come back to why why
are they so obsessed with doing all of this when
it obviously.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Causes so much harm. But regardless of why, they're sure
doing it, and.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
They've got to know, right this stuff isn't going to
stand up constitutionally. You can't order a Colorado business to
call a man a woman under penalty of criminal produit execution,
just like you know, supremes just took as you well know,
the case involving therapists in Colorado. You know where they're criminalizing,
you know, therapists who want to be honest with kids
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about gender stuff. Right.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
One would hope that they recognize as unconstitutional, but they
just keep ramming these unconstitutional bills through. I mean, Jack
Phillips had better buckle up because round three is coming.
If and when this bill passes. It's terrifying for me
as a family who was you know, nearly forced to
transition our daughter. CPS did come to our home, and
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if this bill had been a law, you know, in
twenty twenty one, I believe they would have removed our daughter.
What this bill essentially does is, you know, a ward
in custody situations, full custodies of a parent who's willing
to affirm the transition, and it gives the court the
authority to define not affirming the confusion as course of
control or child abuse.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
Us were really lucky we have aded.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
It medical legal term of our course of control.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Cyronic, isn't it?
Speaker 7 (26:05):
Because really what this bill does is give the parent
who wants to transition the child course of control over
the other parents who's maybe even just expressing caution or
skepticism or asking them to pause.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
I know a dad here in Colorado who was on board.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
With transitioning the child when his wife brought this to him,
but he expressed skepticism, like, wait a minute, let's just
be cautious. It's okay to ask questions. And he has
now lost one hundred percent of his parental rights for
his two kids who started being transitioned at five and seven.
So they're weaponizing this term and essentially making non affirmation
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child abuse in the court system.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, and what a good point you make, because what
you set up here is a situation where Okay, you
got this couple, they're not even thinking of divorce, and
then you've got one who wants to trans the kid,
and then they've got this hammer with the other. Hey,
under Colorado law, if you don't agree to this, guess
what you're not going to get custody, et cetera. Yeah,
what an insidious play this is. But Erin, how do
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people follow you?
Speaker 7 (27:10):
I go by Aaron four parental rights on all platforms,
and I'm also the executive director of Protect Kids Colorado.
Encourage people to get involved with the work we're doing
and people can watch my story at artclubmovie dot com
for free.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Keep up the great work.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Thank you, Erin, Thanks San, you take care of that
is Aaron Lee And Wow, can you imagine what she
was through? And thank god she hung in there and
she fought for a kid and they came out on
the right side of this. Three or three someone three eight,
two five five text d An five seven, seven through nine. Ryan,
I'm being deluged with fantastic suggestions for a rap for
(27:46):
a cyber truck. We have a very artistic, creative audience
here on the Dankaplas Show.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 8 (27:55):
Lastly, sir, I want to get your reaction to Donald
Trump saying that he's not joking about pursuing a third
term in office, which the twenty second Amendment, as you know,
currently forbids.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
What would it take for that to happen?
Speaker 9 (28:09):
You know, he has shown that he doesn't really care
about the Constitution, so we better take his threat of
a third term really seriously. We as Democrats and Republicans
ought to come together, hold him to the Constitution and
make sure this doesn't happen. But again, I would take
him at his word.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
And Congressman, when it comes to some of your Republican
colleagues who have introduced at least one of them has
introduced a bill that would seek to rewrite the twenty
second Amendment. What's your message to them?
Speaker 9 (28:37):
My message to them is where a different branchion government
stop cow tying to the president and actually let's uphold
the constitution and do what's right.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Do you think Americans would elect President Trump to a
third term if it could be legally done. That's an
interesting question in and of itself. I think the answer
is probably not. But there might be a legal route
without a constitutional amendment, because we no the constitutional amendment's
impossible to achieve right now on an issue like that.
But I think what's really going on is the President
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probably has no intention, no interest in a third term,
and he's using this to try to avoid a lame
duck situation after the twenty eight midterms, and also just
to liver and free right where he has for so
many years and the heads to the left and have
some fun with that. Also, though, if you're curious about
what the mechanism would be, there's an argument out there,
(29:29):
and you have scholars on both sides, constant scholars argument
out there that the president could run as the VP
nominee and then whoever gets elected president on the GOP
side steps aside and then the president becomes a third
term president.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I think that's a little tougher to achieve.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
There's another and I'm not getting into the weeds and
the legal piece of that right now, but there's another
route in theory where President Trump becomes the secretary of
State for the new Republican president and VP, and then
the two of them resign and he becomes president. So
all of these would have some legal issues attached. But again,
(30:11):
I think his play is what I just mentioned, and
I think he's having some fun with it, truly. In
the meantime, let's go to the phone lines. How about
Tim and Greeley. You're on the Dan Kaplis show.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Welcome, Oh Dan.
Speaker 10 (30:27):
This subject really often disturbs me. I'm actually a sexual
assault survivor, and every time I hear about them telling
me that I have to call him whatever name they want,
it goes against my recovery.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
And same sex assault or an opposite sex assault.
Speaker 10 (30:50):
Same sex assault, okay, And basically what the guy was
doing was grooming me. He made it a game, a play,
you know, I want to play game, and this this
this older stuff. I was only eight years old and
he was uh in ninth grade and held back twice,
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so that put him as an eleventh grader.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Yeah somewhere.
Speaker 10 (31:20):
No, I couldn't remember what happened. And you know, this
was probably thirty years before he started recovery. Yeah, and
so that that when that, you know, and I have
met the last Since I started recovery, I have been
studying psychology like crazy, and I also study alan On
(31:43):
and alcoholics anonymous. So I'm very familiar with the language.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
What.
Speaker 10 (31:52):
One of the first things I did when I was
in recovery, uh my, my counselor suggested that I read
an excerpt out of Chicken Soup for the Soul, and
it's anger language. You're making me angry, You're making me
feel So I took that phrase and I started to
(32:12):
evaluate a book written by homosexual therapist as the name is,
doctor Richard is Say, and he wrote a book called
Becoming Gay. So you know, I was still having confusion
and even then, but when I started to pick that apart,
it's like, this is what's called an external locus of control,
(32:37):
and it's about trying to get someone else to buy
into what you're doing. And it comes under a line
of gas lighting, and that's an I'm studying too, but
I was like, what about us being protected from them? Yeah,
there are will be a lot of kids out there
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that had.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Had the same experience.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
They don't evaluate that how they're going to really honestly
well identify who they are.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
And Timmy comes back to this, this broader point, right
that we started the show with these books and Elizabeth
aclu is trying to keep on the shelves. Why this
obsession on the left was sexualizing children to begin with.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I mean, it's just so wrong on every level.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
And I'm grateful to you for calling the show and
talking about something so personal and sensitive. I apologize we're
at the end of the show so we'll be hitting
this hard break, but thank you very much for calling.
Speaker 10 (33:33):
Yeah, another point, I didn't even learn about homosexual till
seventh grade, and then it was presented in such a
way that I identified with it, and that's what I thought.
I was huh, And thank god I didn't do with
go further.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yeah that could have.
Speaker 10 (33:55):
Yeah, but you know, I do recovery work with guys,
and I hear the same thing over and over, and
this whole thing is about people pleasing They want us
to please them, and I don't know if you know
what I'm talking about. That's the alcoholic situation.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Well, and I'm so sorry this happened to you, Tim.
I do have to hit this hard network news break,
but thank you for calling the show and so many
great texts today we didn't get a chance to get to,
but they'll be evergreen and we'll welcome into the show tomorrow. Brian,
thank you for your great job as always Alexa. Always
a pleasure to have Alexa with us. And some excellent
suggestions on what to wrap a cyber truck in and
(34:40):
I do want to get to some of those tomorrow also,
So have a safe, wonderful evening.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's like the Colorado Democratic Party is just determined to run.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Good businesses out of the state.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And it's something we don't talk about often enough on
this show, and we need to, which is stop and
think about it, right. I mean, Colorado is blessed with
all of these phenomenal natural advantages. I did that, the beauty,
the location, the climate, everything about it. I mean, we
should be absolutely crushing the competition, and it is a
(00:40):
competition nationwide for jobs, and yet we limp along with
the fraction of the.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Top jobs we should get.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I mean, hey, bud tenders, if that's your vision for
the future of the state, yeah, hey, we're killing it
when it comes to bud tenders. Let's you know, let's
attract and import some moura you know, donors to work
in our marijuana industry. But when it comes to these
top jobs, right, no, Colorado is just trailing way behind
where it should be. And now you've got the Colorado
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Democratic Party down at the legislature doing about everything they
can to try to discourage business from coming here. The
latest thing is, guess what missus businesswoman or business and
mister businessman, you operate a business in Colorado? If this
bill passes, the one that dropped today, And somebody was
making the good point that for a bill to drop today,
(01:34):
it probably has strong support from leadership or it wouldn't
be introduced this late. That it's now going to become
a violation of the Colorado Anti Discrimination Act for businesses
in this state if they quote miss gender misgender. So,
in other words, you got to lie to be able
to do business here legally.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Think about that, right, It's.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Like that case that's just gone up to the US
Supreme Court out of Colorado, whereas a counselor, no, you
can't be speaking the truth to these kids about no, hey, Johnny,
you're not Jane, You're really Johnny. And here's how you know,
get you back to Johnny and just all of this
blatantly unconstitutional stuff to try to get us to bend
the knee and to be willing to lie. And why
(02:18):
do you think they're so determined to do that. But anyway,
regardless of motive, and I think motive's pretty clear, you know. Now, Yeah,
Colorado businesses beware. But it's even worse than that, because
what's more important than your business, it's your children. And
if you're in a custody battle in Colorado, under this bill,
the court would have to it's a must take into
account if a parent is misgendering the child, dead, naming,
(02:44):
or misgendering the child. So you're a parent of this
nine year old girl who now has been convinced she's
really a boy. Well and at that point, if you're
going to call her a girl, guess what, Yeah, it's
probably not going to go well for you and.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
That custody airing.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
So wow, But it does show they think they're bulletproof
in the statewide elections coming up in twenty eight And
do you.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Think that's true?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Ryan? I cannot remember a year, and I know we've
only been blessed with your presence for about five years.
How long has Alexa been here?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Forever? Okay, entire life, for entire life?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
So twenty three years, twenty four.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Years, right, exactly twenty nine and a half.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Okay, yes, yes, I cannot remember a cycle involving a
Senate race and a governor's race. That's such a snoozer.
Nobody wants to talk about it. Nobody's paying attention. I
can't remember anything like that.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Why do you think that is because Democrats have won
for too long and too often, and Corey Gardner was
our one shining moment. Kind of borrowing from the March
madness theme there, Dan, And how long ago was that?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I can tell you because I was there at his
at the hotel for his victory party that night. I
can still picture like it was lunchtime. Isn't that weird?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
But do you think he'll come back?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Do you think he'll get into one of these two races?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I mean, I think he could, Dan.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
He was He was a very effective senator from a
very difficult purple state. I thought, I don't think Corey
Gardner did anything wrong in terms of how he ran
his campaign or served in office.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Oh no, no, just one of the best, one of
the best ever, one of the best ever. So yeah,
I think. Listen, I think, and I haven't talked to
him in years, but I would think that if he
thinks there's a good strong chance to win, he would
be in. You know, my guess is political professionals standing
back are saying, yeah, there'll be a chance in Colorado,
(04:39):
but probably not this cycle.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
And I look at this cycle and I say, whoa.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I think there might be a real chance in this cycle,
you know, I mean kick and Looper.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Thank god, he's still with us, but.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Barely right right, and the left can't be too excited
about him because he doesn't get anything done. And then
the governor's race, if it's going to be Bennett versus
Wiser in the primary, when do you think Chriswald gets in?
Do you think she gets in?
Speaker 6 (05:09):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
No, Dan, I mean.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Maybe she does.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
If she does, she's got the wrong people in her ear,
but she has no chance. I'm talking about strictly within
the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
My brother, my brother.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Now, if she was the Democrat nominee, she would have
a chance because of the layout of the state. But
within the party, Dan, no, she does not have the
gravitas to run against Bennett Wiser and no Goose whoever
else is getting in, she'll get lost in the shuffle.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Well, listen, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
If you're saying, no Goose is getting in. Then, yeah, no,
goose is I think it would be the nominee. I'm
assuming the goose is not getting in, or Bennett wouldn't
be doing what he's doing right now.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
You said, Dan, I think you're correct, But just to
reaffirm for our listeners that Bennett he intends to hold
on to his Senate seat while he's running for governor.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Oh yeah, I mean, and this is why I think
there are a lot of different reasons, right, GOP nominee,
good campaign, all that other stuff would have a real chance.
But if Bennett's nominee, that's kind of a good starting point, right,
which is this shows how much he cares about you,
mister MS taxpayer. You know, he's blown off his Senate
job while he runs for this one. Yeah, yes, so no,
(06:18):
not a great look. Three out three someone three eight
two five five text d A N five seven seven
three nine get a cyber truck wrapped in the US flag.
So we go back to this point. Listen, the biggest
reason I would get a cyber truck, and I'm seriously
thinking about it, would be to just stand up against
the terrorists. That would be the biggest reason. I also
think it's probably a great vehicle, but I would probably
(06:39):
want to get one wrapped, and uh, what are some
of the other options? The American flag? I really like
that idea. It I try to be a little more
subtle out there, but I guess a cyber truck isn't
the most subtle thing on the road.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Get a bald on there too, damn bald.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Now now we're getting somewhere. Yeah, I wonder if there
could be a more little kind of design on it,
or maybe some message. You know how these days every house,
every bathroom you walk into, there's there's some kind of
inspiring message on the wall.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Will laugh love or something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, all that stuff. Yeah yeah, like.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
The people with the Love Lives Here signs.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
That's another one I know.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Who will then go plant a bomb under your tesla?
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Well you know, yeah, all things are relative and that
justifies the means.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, no, that's right, that's right. How's the weather in
Denver right now?
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Cloudy? Little gloomy? Cool? Okay, a little too cool.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I'm up in my trial prep cabin and it's a blizzard. Wow,
it was a blizzard. You is a blizzard?
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Have your animal friends come to visit you? Dan?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
You know, not today not to there's a pretty good
size heard of elk, and they kind of go wherever
they feel like going.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Didn't you have a loyal listener?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
That was a yeah, yeah, but it's too early in
the year. That's going to be like June. You know,
he comes and he sits just right here.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Right outsider window. That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You wonder what he's thinking, right,
you wonder what he's thinking.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Obviously that there's very conservative.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Or bored you never know, I mean, how exciting could
the life of a deer be?
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Things sounds kind of great. He's going around foraging for
food and sleep, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's probably relatively peaceful.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
If you're not getting hunted, that is.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, but come on, these do well, you're right in
hunting season. Other than that, though, what are you worried about?
You're probably worried about the occasional stray bobcat or or
a bear or something. But how much of that's really
going on? So as long as you lay low during
hunting season?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yeah, how out of swivel there, dear?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, and uh, all right, we got
a lot to do. Three or three someone three eight
two five five text d A N five seven seven
three nine. When we come back up, take a deeper
dive into this latest bill from the Democrats that would yeah,
your business in Colorado. Guess what you're going to be
in violation of the law unless you're willing to lie
and say boys really a girl?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And so what effect do you think that's going to have?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And then let me open it up a little bit
to this broader issue of why is Colorado performing so
poorly given all that we're blessed with when it comes
to competition for top jobs across America, because obviously we're
competing with every other state. I think there's one big,
screaming answer to that, but then there are some smaller
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elements as well. Three seOne three eight two five five
text d A N five seven seven three nine. And
what should happen to the people who are vandalizing Tesla's
You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
And what's the deep meaning of that?
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I mean, nice, you said it? Okay, who's Johnny or Jane?
You said it? We're pulled from.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
You talking about the latest transcenity to drop in Colorado,
and this is a bill that would Hey, if you're
a Colorado business, you are operating in violation of the
law unless you're willing to lie. If you misgender somebody,
violate the Colorado Anti Discrimination Act and face all of
the penalties that go with that. So you got that
(10:30):
to look forward to. And if you're in a child
custody battle, well you've got a choice. You can either
lie or keep your kid. I mean that's an overstatement, right,
but a court would be required to take it into
account in a custody determination if you are quote misgendering
a child. So yeah, good luck with that one. Think
(10:52):
about that. You're a mom or you're a dad, and
you desperately want to save your child, you know from
this very destructive you wrote. And no, Johnny, you really
are a boy, and let's work together and let's see
counselors and let's do everything we need to do together.
But no, if you're not willing to buy the lie,
then guess what you're going to be at a big
(11:14):
disadvantage I would expect in their custody hearing. But how
about this one, Ryan, an issue we need to talk
more about on this show.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
And we do not, which is dress codes in schools.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
And I'm just so grateful that at Saint Mary Star
of the Sea, you know where I went from, well,
Saint Sabina and then Saint Mary Star of the Sea
through eighth grade, we had a dress code.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
We had school uniforms, which was so.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Great because then you aren't worried about competing and fashion
and this and that. You got the one thing you're wearing,
you got the little cross tie, you got the one shirt,
and you don't have to worry about the rest of
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
And then you don't have all those issues at school.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
So I just you could still have those, Dan, but
now they have to be unisex. They can't be separate
for boys and girls.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Well, that's what it is saying, right under this bill
provides it a dress code adopted or implemented by a
local education provider must not create or enforce any rules
based on gender, and must allow each student to abide
by any variation of the dress code.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Now, wait a minute, can they dictate that to private schools?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Dan, good question. Let me look into that, right, yeah,
let me look into that, my friend, And you make
such a good kid, says it.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Says by a local education.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Well that would include private schools.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Then yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
But the point that you made in all these other
ones too, and will be talking to Aaron Lee coming
up at the bottom of the hour about the impact
the war on parents continues by these people who are
behind the bill. But the war on business, Dan, when
you talk about the three to ZHO three creative case.
You talked about that on this program. You interviewed the
woman who Lrie Smith, who runs websites. She had to
go all the way to Supreme Court and Jack Phillips
(13:01):
Masterpiece cake shop. Now, if you're a business owner in
Colorado and now they're telling you if a trans person
comes in and you dead name or misgender them, that
you could be subject defines. I'm getting out of here, man,
I'm leaving. I'm like, okay, now what I'm done. That's it.
It's over.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Well, right, because this goes to a whole different point, right,
and that is now you're being forced You're not only
being forced to violate your faith, you know, which I.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Don't say only that's paramount.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I would think to most folks, you're being forced to
lie as well, because you have to refer to that
person by their chosen gender.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
And so think about that.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I mean, that's why listen, whoever drafted this knows it
doesn't have a chance in the US Supreme Court. Is
as I said earlier, that justices probably won't even take
the bench. They'll probably send their clerks out there to
hear this one. You know, it's such a slam dunk.
But yet, as you noted, you know, the processes the punishment.
So they want to use this to try to intimidate
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people into lying.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
And George Brockler made an important point earlier today I
was talking with him about this dan in that not
only is the process the punishment, but in order for
this to work its way through the mechanics of the
court process, appellate courts all the way up to the
Supreme Court, somebody has to gain standing in a court
of law showing they were harmed by this law, being
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it a business or whoever else. Then they have to
take their case to the next level of court procedure.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
And it's just.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Kind of kicking the can down the road, and they're
buying time with it. So for however long this stays
in law.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Yeah, no, no, that's right.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And then again it comes back to Obviously the Democrats
think they're bulletproof electorally in Colorado, or they wouldn't be
peddling nonsense like this. But let's get back to this
dress code thing.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
For a second.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
So you can't have any distinctions in a school dress
code based on gender. Wow, I'm trying to think through
some of the practical impacts, a.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Lot of them.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
It just goes again, Dan, to the whole notion that
the Left has, apparently that there just aren't differences between
boys and girls. Between men and women were just the same,
there's no fundamental physical characteristics separating the two. So we
all have to be unisex, dress the same, same dress code,
same dress standard. I mean, that doesn't even make sense
from a historical standpoint. As you mentioned, as a young
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man in a private Catholic school, the boys dressed a
certain way and then the girls dressed a certain way,
and I don't remember anybody having a problem with that.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, And it comes back to this interesting issue. Why
is the left willing to die on this hill, which
they're obviously doing nationwide, right they didn't last election. Why
is it so important to them to conduct this war
on women and to try to wipe out any distinctions.
Won't even refer to mothers as mothers, right, They call
(16:01):
them what birthing units or what's the latest thing?
Speaker 4 (16:03):
They call them birth person Why why.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Are they doing that?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I mean, I'd really love to know people's answer on that.
You can text us as well, Da n five seven
seven through nine. Text with a great and obvious point, Dan,
Trying to force that on a Christian school would be
a direct violation of the First Amendment of the Constitution
and freedom of religion, no question. But then that comes
back to you know, they're just batting the intimidation everything else.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
People not wanting to litigate.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
But that's why I literally thank God for groups like
Alliance Defending Freedom and some of these other groups that
step in and take these cases all the way to
the US Supreme Court and win there. So yeah, but
if this is passed and signed, it'll just become another
one of those Dan, where is misgender defined? I'd argue
(16:49):
that people who are calling the child the opposite are misgendering.
That is a great point. That is absolutely a great point.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
That's another question I had, Dan, Yeah, do you really
think and you know him quite well, at least from
observation in some of your conversations.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Does Jared Polus sign this madness into law?
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Or is he gonna do like he is apparently doing
with a gun bill and just let it sit on
his desk for ten days well to become law.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I think whoever made the observation that this bill doesn't
get heard this late in the session without the support
of leadership. So and then you come back to the
fact that I believe I shouldn't say it's a fact.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I believe that you.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Have an awful lot of big money on the left
that's very committed to this transcenity stuff. So maybe that's
why this is being pumped out right now, is just
to please some of those special interests.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
But does he sign it?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Well, you know, I think that goes back to is
Polis living in this fantasy world where he thinks he's
going to have some serious chance in a presidential race
to nam a VP spot or a cabinet post or
whatever he is he intending to try to push Hick
and Looper out, or eyeing Bennett's send its seat you
know when it.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Comes to round.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, yeah, But from a political standpoint, right, even Gas
and Kevin Newsom's backing off some of this transit right
right right yeah, because that bubblus burst.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
The scales have fallen from eyes.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Americans see it clearly now, and Americans feel liberated to
speak the truth about it. So Democrats on the wrong
side of this one like so much else three or
three someone three eight two five five texts dam five
seven seven three nine.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
You're on the Dan Capitlis Show.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Great to welcome Aaron Lee back to the Dan Capitalist Show,
and we're talking today about the latest transanity out of
the Colorado legislatures. If you're a Colorado business, look out.
If you're not willing to lie, you're going to be
violating the law. Aaron, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
Thank an, Thanks for having me and giving me a
ten minute reprieve from this upside down clown world that
is the legislature.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
And now somebody who knows this stuff was tell me
there's no way a bill like this gets dropped this
late unless it has the support of leadership. Do you
do you think this thing's actually going to become law?
Speaker 7 (19:10):
I do, yeah, I think if ten thirty nine, and
the Gender Identity Bill went through success, where the gender
death Certificate bill went.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Through successfully, that this one will as well.
Speaker 7 (19:19):
And it was dropped late Friday night and then scheduled
for today. So it's clear that there is some back
end dealing going on.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
And for those who miss the gender death certificate bill,
correct me if I'm wrong, Aeron, but my memory is that.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Bill would would require.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Medical professionals in Colorado to lie about the actual gender
of the deceased or face criminal penalties.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
Correct, And that bill actually attached to a criminal penalty
along to non compliance.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
So if coroner is not.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
Willing to call a man a woman, then they face
second degree missed the manor up to one hundred eighty
days in jail.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Wow. Wow. And so we've been talking about it with
those who just joined us. Please keep the mem an
overview of the latest wackiness here.
Speaker 7 (20:10):
Yeah, So they filed a House till twenty five, thirteen twelve.
It's a transgender bill of rights essentially, and it is
completely on its face unconstitutional in that it is compelled speech.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
It is a violation of parental rights.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
It essentially defines misgendering as child abuse or coercive control
and fully's parents into either transitioning their kids or losing them.
It protects any parent who brings a child to Colorado
to be mutilated, negating all other state laws and court orders.
It forces all schools to comply with transitioning children, even
(20:47):
explicitly attacking charter schools and eliminating any gender dress code.
And it defines misgendering and dead naming as discrimination.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Under KATA for all Colorado.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
Businesses and essentially any citizen who is in a place
of public accommodation.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Wow, beautifully laid out wacko stuff, obviously, But what do
you think is behind this? Why is this such an
obsession with the Colorado Democratic Party? Obviously this stuff doesn't
working nationally anymore. They think they're electorally bulletproof here, But
why do you think that they're so determined to go
down this road? I mean, how many transgender people are
(21:25):
there in Colorado?
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Well, according to my school district, he goes by the
Healthy Kids Colorado Survey upwards of forty seven percent, So
data is accurate here in my district. But it really
seems like they're trippling down in blue states. I have
friends in California who testified today on the girls' sports
build very common sense.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Their governor has supported.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Them, and they were both killed in committee today. So
same things happening here. This villa, in particular, was written
a long time ago by an activist that goes by
the name of Z and she ran it through appointed
radical DSA agitator Larena Garcia.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
And so it's truly the extremists.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
Who are pushing this bill, and I do believe that
it will pass today.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well, let me ask you, because you're in the middle
of all this stuff, Aaron Lee, our guests, Uh, how
do starting on the political level, how do you know
the gay groups feel about all this trans stuff? I mean,
are they, generally speaking the political action arms united with
these trans action arms, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Because it just seems so odd.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
That the Democratic Party now is so obsessed with and
willing to fight and die on the hill of this
crazy trans right stuff.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
Yeah, majority of LGB people that I have communicated with
on this issue are in an opposition to most of
gender ideology. I think a lot of them believe that
it's gay conversion therapy. But you know, effeminate boys are
being encouraged to trans their gayoway. The parents are being
encouraged trans their kids gay away. We're really lucky to
(23:04):
have gays against groomers here in Colorado. Rich Guggenheim just
testified with me here on my panel that this is
gay conversion therapy and the LGB community does not convent
to having the TQ plus attached.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Fascinating, fascinating.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Now, Aaron d have a minute for those who may
be new to the show or to you, to just
tell them your story.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
So twenty twenty one, my twelve year old daughter was
secretly transitioned in her sixth grade classroom in a secret
gender and sexuality club where outside predators were invited in.
She was essentially convinced that her normal pubesset discomfort means
she's actually a transgender boy. And because she didn't know
who she was sexually attracted to, they also gave her
(23:48):
the label of queer and gave her swag to go
along with her new label, and she was essentially pushed
onto this what I call classroom to clinic pipeline where
she was bullied with the suicide myth, if you don't transition,
you'll be suicidal. We were then bullied with the suicide myth.
We're lucky we found out that she was in this
secret club. The school tried hard to conceal it from us,
(24:12):
and we were able to help her through the confusion.
But we went through a really dark year and that
included a suicide attempt from our daughter because this confusion
was so overwhelming for her. So we're one of the
lucky ones that got her out of the darkness. That
is not the norm for parents like me.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Oh so lucky to have you.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
And you think of all the suffering out there by kids,
by parents, everything else, and then this politically driven agenda,
you know, and you still come back to why why
are they so obsessed with doing all of this when
it obviously.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Causes so much harm. But regardless of why, they're sure
doing it, and.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
They've got to know, right this stuff isn't going to
stand up constitutionally. You can't order a Colorado business to
call a man a woman under penalty of criminal produit execution,
just like you know, supremes just took as you well know,
the case involving therapists in Colorado. You know where they're criminalizing,
you know, therapists who want to be honest with kids
(25:11):
about gender stuff. Right.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
One would hope that they recognize as unconstitutional, but they
just keep ramming these unconstitutional bills through. I mean, Jack
Phillips had better buckle up because round three is coming.
If and when this bill passes. It's terrifying for me
as a family who was you know, nearly forced to
transition our daughter. CPS did come to our home, and
(25:35):
if this bill had been a law, you know, in
twenty twenty one, I believe they would have removed our daughter.
What this bill essentially does is, you know, a ward
in custody situations, full custodies of a parent who's willing
to affirm the transition, and it gives the court the
authority to define not affirming the confusion as course of
control or child abuse.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
Us were really lucky we have aded.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
It medical legal term of our course of control.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Cyronic, isn't it?
Speaker 7 (26:05):
Because really what this bill does is give the parent
who wants to transition the child course of control over
the other parents who's maybe even just expressing caution or
skepticism or asking them to pause.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
I know a dad here in Colorado who was on board.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
With transitioning the child when his wife brought this to him,
but he expressed skepticism, like, wait a minute, let's just
be cautious. It's okay to ask questions. And he has
now lost one hundred percent of his parental rights for
his two kids who started being transitioned at five and seven.
So they're weaponizing this term and essentially making non affirmation
(26:43):
child abuse in the court system.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, and what a good point you make, because what
you set up here is a situation where Okay, you
got this couple, they're not even thinking of divorce, and
then you've got one who wants to trans the kid,
and then they've got this hammer with the other. Hey,
under Colorado law, if you don't agree to this, guess
what you're not going to get custody, et cetera. Yeah,
what an insidious play this is. But Erin, how do
(27:07):
people follow you?
Speaker 7 (27:10):
I go by Aaron four parental rights on all platforms,
and I'm also the executive director of Protect Kids Colorado.
Encourage people to get involved with the work we're doing
and people can watch my story at artclubmovie dot com
for free.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Keep up the great work.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Thank you, Erin, Thanks San, you take care of that
is Aaron Lee And Wow, can you imagine what she
was through? And thank god she hung in there and
she fought for a kid and they came out on
the right side of this. Three or three someone three eight,
two five five text d An five seven, seven through nine. Ryan,
I'm being deluged with fantastic suggestions for a rap for
(27:46):
a cyber truck. We have a very artistic, creative audience
here on the Dankaplas Show.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 8 (27:55):
Lastly, sir, I want to get your reaction to Donald
Trump saying that he's not joking about pursuing a third
term in office, which the twenty second Amendment, as you know,
currently forbids.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
What would it take for that to happen?
Speaker 9 (28:09):
You know, he has shown that he doesn't really care
about the Constitution, so we better take his threat of
a third term really seriously. We as Democrats and Republicans
ought to come together, hold him to the Constitution and
make sure this doesn't happen. But again, I would take
him at his word.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
And Congressman, when it comes to some of your Republican
colleagues who have introduced at least one of them has
introduced a bill that would seek to rewrite the twenty
second Amendment. What's your message to them?
Speaker 9 (28:37):
My message to them is where a different branchion government
stop cow tying to the president and actually let's uphold
the constitution and do what's right.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Do you think Americans would elect President Trump to a
third term if it could be legally done. That's an
interesting question in and of itself. I think the answer
is probably not. But there might be a legal route
without a constitutional amendment, because we no the constitutional amendment's
impossible to achieve right now on an issue like that.
But I think what's really going on is the President
(29:08):
probably has no intention, no interest in a third term,
and he's using this to try to avoid a lame
duck situation after the twenty eight midterms, and also just
to liver and free right where he has for so
many years and the heads to the left and have
some fun with that. Also, though, if you're curious about
what the mechanism would be, there's an argument out there,
(29:29):
and you have scholars on both sides, constant scholars argument
out there that the president could run as the VP
nominee and then whoever gets elected president on the GOP
side steps aside and then the president becomes a third
term president.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I think that's a little tougher to achieve.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
There's another and I'm not getting into the weeds and
the legal piece of that right now, but there's another
route in theory where President Trump becomes the secretary of
State for the new Republican president and VP, and then
the two of them resign and he becomes president. So
all of these would have some legal issues attached. But again,
(30:11):
I think his play is what I just mentioned, and
I think he's having some fun with it, truly. In
the meantime, let's go to the phone lines. How about
Tim and Greeley. You're on the Dan Kaplis show.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Welcome, Oh Dan.
Speaker 10 (30:27):
This subject really often disturbs me. I'm actually a sexual
assault survivor, and every time I hear about them telling
me that I have to call him whatever name they want,
it goes against my recovery.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
And same sex assault or an opposite sex assault.
Speaker 10 (30:50):
Same sex assault, okay, And basically what the guy was
doing was grooming me. He made it a game, a play,
you know, I want to play game, and this this
this older stuff. I was only eight years old and
he was uh in ninth grade and held back twice,
(31:12):
so that put him as an eleventh grader.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Yeah somewhere.
Speaker 10 (31:20):
No, I couldn't remember what happened. And you know, this
was probably thirty years before he started recovery. Yeah, and
so that that when that, you know, and I have
met the last Since I started recovery, I have been
studying psychology like crazy, and I also study alan On
(31:43):
and alcoholics anonymous. So I'm very familiar with the language.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
What.
Speaker 10 (31:52):
One of the first things I did when I was
in recovery, uh my, my counselor suggested that I read
an excerpt out of Chicken Soup for the Soul, and
it's anger language. You're making me angry, You're making me
feel So I took that phrase and I started to
(32:12):
evaluate a book written by homosexual therapist as the name is,
doctor Richard is Say, and he wrote a book called
Becoming Gay. So you know, I was still having confusion
and even then, but when I started to pick that apart,
it's like, this is what's called an external locus of control,
(32:37):
and it's about trying to get someone else to buy
into what you're doing. And it comes under a line
of gas lighting, and that's an I'm studying too, but
I was like, what about us being protected from them? Yeah,
there are will be a lot of kids out there
(32:57):
that had.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Had the same experience.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
They don't evaluate that how they're going to really honestly
well identify who they are.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
And Timmy comes back to this, this broader point, right
that we started the show with these books and Elizabeth
aclu is trying to keep on the shelves. Why this
obsession on the left was sexualizing children to begin with.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I mean, it's just so wrong on every level.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
And I'm grateful to you for calling the show and
talking about something so personal and sensitive. I apologize we're
at the end of the show so we'll be hitting
this hard break, but thank you very much for calling.
Speaker 10 (33:33):
Yeah, another point, I didn't even learn about homosexual till
seventh grade, and then it was presented in such a
way that I identified with it, and that's what I thought.
I was huh, And thank god I didn't do with
go further.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yeah that could have.
Speaker 10 (33:55):
Yeah, but you know, I do recovery work with guys,
and I hear the same thing over and over, and
this whole thing is about people pleasing They want us
to please them, and I don't know if you know
what I'm talking about. That's the alcoholic situation.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Well, and I'm so sorry this happened to you, Tim.
I do have to hit this hard network news break,
but thank you for calling the show and so many
great texts today we didn't get a chance to get to,
but they'll be evergreen and we'll welcome into the show tomorrow. Brian,
thank you for your great job as always Alexa. Always
a pleasure to have Alexa with us. And some excellent
suggestions on what to wrap a cyber truck in and
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I do want to get to some of those tomorrow also,
So have a safe, wonderful evening.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Please join us tomorrow on The Dan Capslo Show.
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