In the second hour of today's edition of The Dan Caplis Show, Dan is joined by Jenny Lichter to talk about March for Life's upcoming rally. He also talks with Leland Conway about Colorado's new gun ban law and what it means for Jared Polis.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
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will get to text shortly. A lot of news today, obviously,
some of it unfortunate, such as Senate Bill three being
signed by the governor today. We had to share freams
with us who just absolutely nailed it, as well as
other guests.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
We'll get back to that shortly.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
But obviously, the civil rights movement of our lifetime is
the right to protect innocent human life. And that fight
has been ongoing now obviously since Roe and even before Row.
And Jenny Bradley Lichter is the current president national President.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Of the March for Life.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
And these are the civil rights heroes of our lifetime,
and we all know so many. I go back to
my mom, who I considered to be one of the
founders of the pro life movement, so very much appreciate
people like Jenny.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Hey, Jenny, welcome to the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Hi Dan, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Well, thanks for all that you do. And you are
in town now for our March for Life.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
That's right. I'm speaking to you from my hotel room
in downtown Denver. I'll be marching for Life tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well, we will say a prayer for you, I mean
the downtown Denver thing tonight night.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I love Denver.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I've had some crime issues, not the fault of our
great men and women in blue, so be careful there.
But going to get some good weather, huh.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Absolutely. I came out this morning from Washington, DC, where
spring has not yet sprung, so I'm very happy to
be here in sunny Colorado.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Oh my lord, I can remember some March for Life
because obviously we used to do them back in January
and sometimes it would be free, but it would just
kind of bond us further when we were out there.
So if you would give people some details on the
march tomorrow, but also you.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Know that the state of the Fight for Life.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Sure so tomorrow will be the second annual Colorado March
for Life. Last year we had three or four thousand
Pro life Colorado's come out into the state Capitol and
are expecting about that turnout, if not more, tomorrow. This
is my first time at the Colorado March for Life
because I've actually only been in my role as president
of the national organization for about two months.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
So you're getting me what's.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Really fresh and green here. Very happy to be here
with all of you. So what will be There's a
rally at the state Capitol where a number of folks
will be speaking, including me, but most of the speakers
are local here, local physicians, local pregnancy resource directors, other
wonderful folks from the Colorado pro life community. And then
we will be marching around the neighborhood of the state Capitol.
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And you know, this march, like all of our marches
in DC and across the country, I think of as
kind of having a twofold purpose. One is it's a
moment of encouragement for those of us in the trenches.
Right And Dan, you mentioned your mom who as a
pro life hero. I think of my own mother and
grandmother who both did a lot of pro life volunteer
work and advocacy. My mom still does. My grandmother has passed.
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But for all of us who have been in the trenches,
and me not as long as others, it's you know,
this is it's hard. It's hard work sometimes and sometimes
it can feel discouraging. And I think it's so important
to have a chance to come together on a day
that's full of joy and hope and full of young
people in the crowd, and just remember, you know, we
are on the side of life is a winning We're
on the side that wins. This is a winning cause.
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Christ has won the victory. It's good to be together.
It's good to be doing this work, even if some
days it feels hard. So it's encouragement for the movement.
But also, and especially in a state like Colorado and
especially right now, it's a really really important public witness
to our elected officials, our political leaders, and our cultural
leaders who sometimes try to minimize, write, or brush aside
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pro life movement. So I think it's really important to
show them over and over again, Hey, we're not tired
of showing up. We're never going to get tired of
fighting for the unborn and for support for their moms.
We're still here. And we need to be taken seriously
and you need to hear our voices. So that's a
big part of what we're going to do tomorrow as
we call on Governor Polis to veto your terrible new
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bill that would open up medicaid funding for elective abortions
in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Jenny Lickter our special guest president of the National March
for Life, and boy, you would think the left would
have learned that lesson with Dobbs right and Row falling,
because you think about all the people. It sounds like
your grandma, your mom as well, all the people over
all the decades who stood up to every possible obstacle,
including the national media and national political pressure, and they
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never stopped fighting for innocant life.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
And then they.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Prevailed in that monumental victory. But now the next phase
of the real work begins, right because now that each
state can make their own laws, you know, now there's
that opportunity to go to state by state and have
the great debates. So what is the state of that
great debate nationwide?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, you know, that's a great question. I mean, you're right,
Dobs was a really triumphant moment after fifty years of
hard work by the pro life movement, and really, Dan,
you know, no other movement in history has been able
to do what the pro life movement has been able
to do, sustaining this kind of energy and persistence and
doggedness for so long. Nobody else can do that, No
other cause has that. And it did make a difference
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in row following I know that it did, But you're
right now, the battle continues right especially at the state level.
Not why my organization has really expanded our efforts to
be marching for life in the states across the country,
and the landscape is very positive and very promising, and
a lot of states that right away started passing pro
life protections and as data is starting to come in
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for the last for the last few years, those pro
life laws in pro life states really make a difference
in driving abortion down. But of course, in a place
like Colorado, pro life folks here have sort of an
i think, an extra responsibility and a particular opportunity to
be that persistent dog and witness for life in a
landscape that is that is less friendly to life, and
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just I would just encourage folks here, you know, don't
don't give into discouragement because again, we're fighting on the
cause of for the cause of life, and and it's
a beautiful fight and it's worth having. Even if the
governor does at veto this bill, even if there's a
state expansion to abortion, you know, take the long view,
just like our parents and grandparents did, and keep on
standing up for life. It is so so worth it.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I'm glad you made that point about the special opportunity
because Colorado historically, you know, has been so pro abortion
and has been one of the toughest you know, battles
for hearts and minds anywhere in the country. So personally,
I just view that as a privilege right to be
in a situation.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Where we get to take on that that tougher fight.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
And as you say, hey, maybe we don't reach the
Promised Land in our lifetime, but we just help advance
the ball as much as we can. But in the meantime,
you know, you talk about victories. To me, the ultimate
victory is making that decision to stand up to evil things.
And this is truly an evil thing. I'm not calling
any individual evil, but the reality is that what they
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are pushing on this state is an evil thing, and
it's just standing up to that I think is a
victory in and of itself.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
I think that's right and setting an example. As you said,
you know, and we've been talking about this is a
generational fight, and you and I learned from our parents
and from our mothers. And I have three little kids
who are you know, part of this movement with my
husband and me. Now actually one of my kids is
here with me, my fifth grader, who out with me
to march with me tomorrow, you know, And I think
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of him and my two little girls and what message
is the culture and the political climate going to be
giving them, And what's the world that they're going to
be inheriting as they grow And as you said, kind
of whatever the landscape looks like around us, we want
our kids to have seen their parents standing up to
be a part of this fight when it really mattered,
especially in a place like Colorado where we're fighting that fight,
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you know, fighting the good fight really matters.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, Jenny Bradley Lichter, our guest, what time does the
march start tomorrow in Colorado? And it looks like it's
going to be one of the most beautiful spring days
we've ever had.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Oh, gosh, I feel so lucky. It is going to
be a really beautiful day. The rally starts at eleven
AM and will be marching starting at news and Jenny, you.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Know, there are so many great stories in the pro
life movement. I personally think the ultimate heroes of the
pro life movement are those who have had abortions and
then join the pro life movement, or those like Jabby
Johnson obviously who were.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Involved in.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Planned parenthood and then join the pro life movement. But
I also I so admire people like you who you
have so many other options, so many big Jenny, by
the way, is a Harvard lawd. She could be out
making book buck somewhere doing the whole legal thing, but
she devotes her God given skills to this cause.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And there are just so many great stories like that.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
But Jenny, if you don't mind me closing with a
story I think you could probably relate to because it
sounds like the mom and grandma have have done the
same sort of thing. But my mom used to move
these pregnant teenage girls into the house so they wouldn't
have to have abortions and they'd have all the support
they need before and after their babies were born, and
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she'd keep these relationships long term. So when we're at
her wake, and we're Irish Catholics from South side of Chicago,
so the wake is like this raging you know, booze
and tears and laughs and everything else. And this beautiful
little girl comes up to me and said, can't finish
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the story.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Sorry, I shouldn't have started it.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I shouldn't have You know, Irish Catholics can't tell stories
like that, they.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Can never make it through to the end. But you
know how that story ended, right the girls, I'm saving
my life.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
So huh.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
So, thank you for all that you do.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Well, thank you very much for your witness for life
on this program and everything else that you do. Dan,
and I'll be praying for your mother's repose. She sounds
like an incredible woman.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Oh she sure is.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Well.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Thank you, keep up the great work.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Thanks very much.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Good and I hope everybody.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Can get out there tomorrow, because boy, what a day
and what it caused. And as Jenny said, it's hard
to describe. You got to experience it for yourself. But
there is a vibe when you go to a pro
life rally like this tomorrow, like the March for Life.
There is this energy, there's this togetherness, There is this
connection that I know sounds all boulderish, but it's so true,
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and I imagine it must have been like what those first,
you know, civil rights leaders felt like when they all
got together and they went out there to stand up
against slavery. It's something that I've never felt anywhere else
in any other situation.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It is so cool. Hope you can make it out
there tomorrow You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Bring has Sprung Denver Post version of the story, and
we'll go to the phone lines in our Texters. Governor
Jared Polis signed sweeping gun law that adds requirements to
buy certain semi automatic weapons. We had a tremendous conversation
with Sheriff Steve Riams about this that hit at four
thirty six, if you want to pull it off the podcast.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
He's so deeply knowledgeable about these issues.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
And it was great to have his perspective as a
sheriff right because part of what's so wrong about this
legislation is that it puts sheriffs right in the middle
of this big new bureaucracy where if you want to
exercise your Second Amendment right with these particular kind of firearms,
well then you.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Got to go through the sheriff. You got to get
this permit issued.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
If you haven't already completed one of these courses, you
got to go complete one of these courses, all designed
obviously to make it harder for people to exercise at right.
And then I love what the sheriff had to say
because when you read this bill and listen, I read
this stuff for a living, right, and you read this
particular bill, holy cow, you need to go see three
different type of doctors to get your brain straightened out
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after trying to chart out all the different firearms it effects.
But the sheriff somemed this way, which is why he's
the sheriff, which is they were trying to target anything
big and black and scary firearm wise, what was the
approach to this? So you want to talk about an
ar an ak, certain gas operated at semi handguns, things
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like that, But the bottom line is it going to
be harder going to have this extra layer put sheriffs
in the middle of it. And in the end, can
anybody really make a credible case that this infringement on
two A is going to make anybody safer. I come
back to my starting point, which is why would somebody
who doesn't care about our laws against murder care about
our gun loss. Seems to me they're going to break
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both of them. But then the sheriff makes this other
brilliant point, which is, hey, this thing doesn't go new
effect until August of twenty six because you have to
put all these other bureaucracies in place. So what the
Democrats in Colorado and Polus have just done is just
sell a whole lot more firearms, right, because you're going
to have people running out to get these things before
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that law goes into effect. So and Ryan, I'll tell
you it's me. I don't know what your firearm habits
are or anything like that. We've got plenty, but I've
been thinking for a while that I wanted to get
one of one of these, just to sort of supplement
the tools available, let's say. And so now it's just
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kind of a reminder to me, Okay, might as well
go do it now. So yeah, I'll be one of
those people in line to get one of these three
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Jenny Lichter. She's a national head of March for Life
and in town for the big one tomorrow at the Capitol.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I hope you get down there.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
It starts at eleven at the march will starts sometime
in there. But as a guy who's done a bunch
of them, just have to tell you it is such
a tremendous feeling to be there with fellows civil rights champions,
you know, because everybody involved in the movement, it's the
civil rights movement of our lifetime.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
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Speaker 2 (14:29):
Interesting, Ryan, not a single text on the news that
Michael Bennett's getting in the governor's race.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I guess this is mister excitement.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I guess this Bennett versus Wiser showdown. I guess it's
it's going to be great for like Starbucks and Snooze
and everybody else who sells high powered coffee.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Right. I mean, can you imagine that debate.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
What's the over under on whether the moderator falls asleep
during that debate between the two of them in the.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Primer I don't envy Kyle Clark and those shoes.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
You know it's probably going to be him.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah it Dan, If you were to ring a bell
every second for every child that's been aborted since nineteen
seventy three, it would take you over eight hundred days
before you can finish.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Wow. And then when you.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Think about it and think about how the Dems have
focused on people of color, and remember what Justice Ginsburg
said that her understanding of Roe was that it was
intended to paraphrasing, minimize the populations. We don't want too
many of not my words, but the words of Justice Ginsburg.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
So you think about how the left has.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Used abortion to target communities of color, particularly the black community,
And then you think of all these millions had they
been allowed to live, and regardless of color, but all
these millions, and what they would have accomplished, and the
talent and what their children would have accomplished, Who would
have cured cancer, who would have done these other great things. Yeah,
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but that's the Democratic Party. That that is the kind
of deruction that they leave in their wake. Dan, you
have to run for governor. Seriously, no one can beat
the Democrats. Ryan, is that Texter saying they want me
to run for governors? So I get beat. Is that
what they're saying.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
Oh, and you put it all together, it kind of
comes out that way.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You're right, Yeah, Yeah, it's dan check out posts. They
state that DPD is not posting about all shootings and
even murders under a gag order by Mayor Mikey to
make the city look safer. Reminds me of what Hick
did in summer two thousand and nine, Elexa. It's hard
to imagine anything much worse than what Hick did back
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in that summer, and we covered it very much on
the show. And I'm sure Alexa's right about two thousand
and nine. But for those new to the area, we had.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
This vicious, vicious, vicious.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Outbreak of violence and LOTO and it was happening, as
I remember, during baseball season two.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
And you had these gangs that.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Were targeting white people for these vicious beat tows and
DPD did, I'm gonna work on this, and they were
able to figure out what was behind it, who was
doing it, et cetera, and then the administration sat on it.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
The hicken Looper administration sat on it. So you had
these dads going down with their kids.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
You had all these innocent people walking into a meat
grinder with no clue because the hiccken Looper administration covered
it up because all it would have been bad for Johnny. Right, well,
it was real bad for the people who got savagely beaten,
and it was so fundamentally unfair to the citizens and
the DPD, which.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Had done great work to get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
But that tells you a lot about John Hickenlooper. Right
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more text more calls Senate Bill three.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Now law in Colorado?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Will it withstand constitutional challenge Dad and Moore had on
the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 7 (18:01):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Since it is now unfortunately law in the great state
of Colorado, Leland.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Welcome back. How you doing, my friend?
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Hey Dan, it's good here your voice, brother, How are
you good?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Good?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
And literally good to hear your voice. So tell people,
if you would, why it is so bad for Colorado
that Senate Bill three was signed today by Governor Polis.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Oh my word, let me count the ways, you know.
First of all, I think one thing we can expect
is that any state that has a blue legislature is
going to.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Pass the same law. This was a test case.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
It was written by the usual suspect groups, Moms Demand Action,
Everytown for Gun Safety, all the Bloomberg groups. And the
goal here was obviously to passively aggressively harassed law abiding citizens.
And I think it's worth noting that as Governor Polis
signs this gastardly bill, Colorado over the last few years,
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at least the six years that I've lived here, has
spent way more time and effort passively aggressively harassing lawbiding
citizens than it has putting hard in criminals behind bars.
And so this fake guys that this is somehow going
to a lower crime. There's not a single criminal in
this state, not a single gang member, not a single
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mass shooter, not a single person in this state that's
intent on committing a crime. But it's going to waste
the time and money to go through this ridiculous extra
training to get a ID card from the government, permission
to practice their second Amendment. They're going to go bias
stolen one off the street which isn't affected by this law.
They're going to do what they're going to do anyway.
So the only result is that Colorado's arepugned in their
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rights and criminals continue to do what they want to
like they've been allowed to do by the leadership in
the state for the last ten years.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Well, and everybody on the left behind this bill knows
that what you say is true.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
So why are they doing it? Then?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I get your point about harassment just generally, and I
imagine it helps some fundraise right when they're able to
get bills like this past, and it probably helps Polist
get some of that, not that he needs help, but
get some of that big money from the left.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
So you've got that thing going on.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
But as you say, at the end of the day,
it's the same party that's pro criminal in so many
obvious ways and that actively opposes these efforts to really
protect people from mass shootings by having armed guards and schools,
et cetera. So's it's a dangerous brew.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
It is. And I think it's interesting you bring this
up because the question why are they doing it? Right,
Let's broaden it out a little bit leftism in America,
and I think in a lot of ways we've underestimated
just how radical mainstream leftism has become. But leftism in
America is an ideology driven by hate and envy, and
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they hate freedom, they really do. They really are afraid
of it because freedom is a threat to power. Freedom
is a threat to coercion. Freedom is a threat to tyranny.
And they can't engage in this sort of totalitarian state
that they want to set up if the American people
are armed, right, I mean, that's the whole point of
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the Second Amendment. I mean, Governor Or Polis in his
statement today said some garblebee goog about how we're protecting
Colorado's right to continue to buy whatever gun they want
for sports. People don't know. The Second Amendment isn't about
sports man, It's about tyranny.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Because he's got all these paid people with guns protecting him.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
The rest of us have to protect our families, right right.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Yeah, I mean it's maddening, it really is. And I'll
say this too, and you know, as you know, I
still am in the iHeart family. But do a showover
in San Diego, and of course I see a lot
of what's coming our way from the California side of things.
But I can tell you right now that there's Californians
that are salivating, going, hey, wait a minute, Colorado just
one uped us. In fact, I talked to the farms
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today from California, and I was explaining this bill to him,
and he looked at me and he shook us head
and he said, Leland, we don't have anything this bad
in California. That's when you know you've reached how bad
this is.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
That's when you know you've reached wreck bottom.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Right when you start exporting leftism to California.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I mean, but at what point, Leland, you've been watching
this for a long long time. At what point do
the people of Colorado say, Okay, maybe we don't like Republicans,
but this the Democratic Party has just become loony.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Yeah. I that's a million dollar question, Dan, because I
thought we would have passed that point a long time ago,
you know, I mean, we sit and listened to pull
us again in his statement today talk about how he's
committed to making Colorado one of the top ten safest
states in America. We're at the ottom of that list,
and there's nothing in this bill that's going to move
us towards the top. And so, you know, the million
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dollar question is how much more of this can Colorado.
I guess the answer in that lies. It's really going
to come down to affecting their wallets. But we can't
really help people understand. When I say people, I'm talking
about low information voters, people that don't really they're not
tuned into the everyday thing and they probably don't own
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an AR fifteen, so they don't feel like this affects
them until we find a way to educate them, because
the mainstream media in this state will not educate people
as to who's fault. The pain and suffering. Their feeling
is lack of freedom right now is and until that
is fixed, we don't really have a prayer, you know.
And I don't mean to be pessimistic.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Oh no, you gotta be honest. You gotta be honest
that that's the only way we're going to fix it.
But Cleveland, how can people follow you?
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Man?
Speaker 5 (23:45):
You can follow me on Twitter or x as they
call it these days. It's at Leland show, L E, L,
A and D. Just look for Gavin Newsom's hair. That's
my Twitter scandal. You follow me there. Instagram is a
great Lelando Facebook, Leland Conway and of course every night,
you know, after your program we come on over in
San Diego on Conway and Larson on iHeartRadio Family Fisher
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station at Coco so we could find me there all
the time.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Love it, my friend. Great to talk to you. Thanks
for the time.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Thank you, brother, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
God bless you too.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
That is the great Leland Conway. Let's go to the
phone lines. We'll start in Denver, Colorado. John, you're on
the Dan Kaplis show.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Welcome four. Maybe we could talk to Dean and Arvada. Dean,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Hey, thanks Dan.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
You're curious. So basically what I'm hearing from you correct
me if I'm wrong, of course you will. I know,
is this van all blocks because they don't come with
anything other than a detational magazine.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Oh no, listen, my understanding is and again, this is
one of the most difficult bills to read I've ever
looked at in forty years. But that's why I asked
sheriff frames you know, sheriff, how would you summarize this?
And the way the sheriff summarized it was, Hey, any
firearm that's big and black and scary, And then he
talked about obviously this effects when we talk about handguns.
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This effects some gas operated semi automatic handguns. So my
understanding is that and it does not affect as I
understand the bill, it does not affect any that any
of us currently own. But that's my understanding of the
bill is that when we talk about say a typical
semi auto handgun, right that almost all of us have,
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that they're probably not affected because a relatively small number
are gas operated.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
See exactly, it seems like there's a huge gray area
like when did you get the gun? Where did you
get the gun? Can you prove when you got the gun?
You know what I mean? Because you can say, well,
I've had this for years, we'll prove it, you didn't
get it for call out, prove it, you know what
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I mean. That's like a big area where a prosecutor
could say, we're going to charge you with this anyway,
let's see if you can prove your innocent.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Well, you raise a couple of great points, right, And
that's one of the real dangers anytime you do something
like this and the enormous bureaucracy it sets up, because
now poor sheriff's put in the middle of all this,
who have to be charged with issuing permits or not
issuing permits, and all of that is some of these
unintended or maybe quietly intended consequences, confusion, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
And then you get to a brilliant point.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Dean, which is that where you live now and who
your DA is, your elected district attorney can have such
a dramatic effect on your exercise of your rights right
because if you happen to have a district attorney who
properly interprets the Constitution, is not politically motivated, etc. You're
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in a far better place to defend yourself than if
you have a district attorney from the far left who's
political motivated.
Speaker 9 (27:02):
Exactly.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Yeah, I think the only gun stores that could survive
this will be the big box guys like Capella's, uh,
Hunter's Law Warehouse. These small guys, they're gonna, they're gonna there.
There's no way they can put up with this and
sell sell any and stay in business. Just there's too
much red tape in it.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Yeah, there's too many fees.
Speaker 10 (27:23):
I just I see a lot.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Of Dane's mom fock gun stores like close the shop.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Deane appreciate the comment. I got to pull the pin
for a heartbreak. We'll go back to our jam line
Senate built three Unfortunately now long in Colorado. You're on
the Dan Caplass Show, and.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
Now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
You're on the Dan Capliss Show. Welcome like an is
it me?
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Sir?
Speaker 10 (27:53):
Oh? Dn?
Speaker 9 (27:54):
Okay, Hey, you know I'm a North Side Republican and
you're a South Side converted.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
Down cred and I think you're doing a hell of
a job.
Speaker 10 (28:03):
You're really trying hard.
Speaker 9 (28:05):
I commend you. But you know, I'm very happy that
Paula's sign this bill. I can't believe he didn't wait
the ten days.
Speaker 8 (28:15):
He committed suicide, political suicide, so him and Presker I
really don't think we have to worry about any further
because they've committed suicide.
Speaker 9 (28:27):
What we need to do now is well we needed
to do it long before, but we need to support
our local gun organizations.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Okay, now, if I can name.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
A few, I'd like to and Jim, I've got Jim lines.
Can you throw a couple out there quickly? I could
listen to your accent all day. If I close my eyes,
you know you're back in the backyard. You got the
web grill.
Speaker 8 (28:50):
Fired out Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, the NRA Second Amendment Foundation.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
We need to support my friend, the ones coming to
court for us.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Appreciate the call.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
And Rocky mount Gun Owners is once some big court battles.
Appreciate the call, my friend, call anytime. Love hearing that accent.
Let's go to John in Denver. But not John Denver.
You're on the Dan Kapla show though, that would break news.
How you doing, my friend?
Speaker 9 (29:18):
Hi Dan, I'm a retired law enforcement lieutenant with over
thirty three years wow, And I'm not going to beat
up the bill. It's then, I mean, we we've hashed that,
hashed that. But I've taught hundreds of classes to young
officers and high schoolers and the biggest thing I talk
about is the Constitution and make it rik the sinc
you know. The Constitution to me basically serves a couple
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of functions, the organization of our government and the framework
for it. And then the big, next, biggest part is
the protections from that very government. And all public servants
have to go and raise their right hand and swear
upon their oath within the first two or three sentences
that they will uphold the Constitution of the States, and
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that comes before state law, local law, everything else. And
yet they come in and apparently decide that they're just
going to wipe their rear end with the Constitution and
do whatever they please. And it just is so fundamentally wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Well, the left just use the Constitution as an obstacle, right,
And by the way, thank you for your service thirty
three years. But that is a long, dangerous poem, my friend,
thank you for your service there. So where do you
think this ends? Where do you think it ends in Colorado?
At a certain point, does the left get so loony
here that people actually elect Republicans to state wide office?
Speaker 9 (30:39):
I don't know. Sadly, I think we're going to end
up like California, And the only way any of this
is going to change is by the will of the people,
where they do a referendum, just like they did in
California recently, where they pass more aggressive laws towards crime
and stuff, and they had to get all the signatures.
I don't see it changing otherwise unless we know reperm
from the people, because for some reason we keep voting
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in the same thing and don't like our results. I
don't get it.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Brilliant, brilliant point, my friend.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
That's right, and just need some of those big money
folks to back some of these ballot measures.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
You're right. I think the people would vote with us
a lot more often on.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
These referenda, these big ballot measures than they would read
versus Blue.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Thanks, thanks very much for your service.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Three or three seven three eight two five five the
number text d An five seven seven three nine. Let's
go to Trinidad, Colorado. Talk to Mike. You're on the
Dan Capitalis ship.
Speaker 10 (31:28):
Welcome, Hey, Dan, how are you? Thanks you.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I'm living to dream right there you go.
Speaker 10 (31:33):
I just have a really short comment, and that is
that I think the federal government needs to get involved
at this point and put in penalties for any state
that enacts a bill and signs it into law that
goes through the constitutions that violates our constitutional right, actually
goes through the Supreme Court. If the Supreme Court finds
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it a state violated its citizens constitutional right, funding for
that stake should be pulled federally.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Well, Michael, appreciate the call. Appreciate the call, my friend.
That lined up being our last call today. We've got
another minute or two.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Such fund memories of Trinidad when I was a baby lawyer,
Like first year out, I pulled a big case down there,
and I you know, I only did criminal defense for
maybe a year or so. I did everything under the
sun for my first year and then settled into catastrophic
injury work. We got to go to that big, beautiful
courthouse down in Trinidad and it was it was just
so cool, like.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Out of a movie.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
So we'll talk more tomorrow, obviously about SB three becoming law.
Bennett will officially announce tomorrow he's running for governor in Colorado,
and this Bennett Wiser matchup in the primary. I think
the big question is how many people stay awake long
enough to vote in that one? And then who do
the Republicans put up? Because it's there's an opportunity there, right,
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there is an opening there, my friend. But final thoughts,
words of wisdom, Oh, I want to forget me. I
want to get to this great, great text today do it?
And it said, do you think the passage of this
anti gun bill is going to encourage mass shooters to
come to Colorado?
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Personally, here's our problem. We've already got a bunch here
when you make yourself the drug capital of the world.
And obviously the overwhelming majority of these mass shooters are
people who are heavy marijuana users. And Colorado so friendly
to criminals in so many different ways doing away with
the death penalty, we have done so much to already
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foster this mass shooter horrific, demonic phenomena here. They're already here.
I don't think this bill is going to bring anybody here.
There are other things bringing them here, and there are
a bunch already here, which makes the lefts unwilling. Also
left's opposition to us protecting ourselves and our families even
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more insidious. Ryan, tremendous job is always my friend. Thank
you for everything. Thank you to Kelly Human Sunshine New
Brighton's every single day.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Speaking of which ad degrees tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Three h three someone three eight two five five the
number text d A N five seven seven three nine
will get to text shortly. A lot of news today, obviously,
some of it unfortunate, such as Senate Bill three being
signed by the governor today. We had to share freams
with us who just absolutely nailed it, as well as
other guests.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
We'll get back to that shortly.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
But obviously, the civil rights movement of our lifetime is
the right to protect innocent human life. And that fight
has been ongoing now obviously since Roe and even before Row.
And Jenny Bradley Lichter is the current president national President.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Of the March for Life.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
And these are the civil rights heroes of our lifetime,
and we all know so many. I go back to
my mom, who I considered to be one of the
founders of the pro life movement, so very much appreciate
people like Jenny.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Hey, Jenny, welcome to the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Hi Dan, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Well, thanks for all that you do. And you are
in town now for our March for Life.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
That's right. I'm speaking to you from my hotel room
in downtown Denver. I'll be marching for Life tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well, we will say a prayer for you, I mean
the downtown Denver thing tonight night.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I love Denver.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I've had some crime issues, not the fault of our
great men and women in blue, so be careful there.
But going to get some good weather, huh.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Absolutely. I came out this morning from Washington, DC, where
spring has not yet sprung, so I'm very happy to
be here in sunny Colorado.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Oh my lord, I can remember some March for Life
because obviously we used to do them back in January
and sometimes it would be free, but it would just
kind of bond us further when we were out there.
So if you would give people some details on the
march tomorrow, but also you.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Know that the state of the Fight for Life.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Sure so tomorrow will be the second annual Colorado March
for Life. Last year we had three or four thousand
Pro life Colorado's come out into the state Capitol and
are expecting about that turnout, if not more, tomorrow. This
is my first time at the Colorado March for Life
because I've actually only been in my role as president
of the national organization for about two months.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
So you're getting me what's.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Really fresh and green here. Very happy to be here
with all of you. So what will be There's a
rally at the state Capitol where a number of folks
will be speaking, including me, but most of the speakers
are local here, local physicians, local pregnancy resource directors, other
wonderful folks from the Colorado pro life community. And then
we will be marching around the neighborhood of the state Capitol.
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And you know, this march, like all of our marches
in DC and across the country, I think of as
kind of having a twofold purpose. One is it's a
moment of encouragement for those of us in the trenches.
Right And Dan, you mentioned your mom who as a
pro life hero. I think of my own mother and
grandmother who both did a lot of pro life volunteer
work and advocacy. My mom still does. My grandmother has passed.
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But for all of us who have been in the trenches,
and me not as long as others, it's you know,
this is it's hard. It's hard work sometimes and sometimes
it can feel discouraging. And I think it's so important
to have a chance to come together on a day
that's full of joy and hope and full of young
people in the crowd, and just remember, you know, we
are on the side of life is a winning We're
on the side that wins. This is a winning cause.
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Christ has won the victory. It's good to be together.
It's good to be doing this work, even if some
days it feels hard. So it's encouragement for the movement.
But also, and especially in a state like Colorado and
especially right now, it's a really really important public witness
to our elected officials, our political leaders, and our cultural
leaders who sometimes try to minimize, write, or brush aside
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pro life movement. So I think it's really important to
show them over and over again, Hey, we're not tired
of showing up. We're never going to get tired of
fighting for the unborn and for support for their moms.
We're still here. And we need to be taken seriously
and you need to hear our voices. So that's a
big part of what we're going to do tomorrow as
we call on Governor Polis to veto your terrible new
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bill that would open up medicaid funding for elective abortions
in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Jenny Lickter our special guest president of the National March
for Life, and boy, you would think the left would
have learned that lesson with Dobbs right and Row falling,
because you think about all the people. It sounds like
your grandma, your mom as well, all the people over
all the decades who stood up to every possible obstacle,
including the national media and national political pressure, and they
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never stopped fighting for innocant life.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
And then they.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Prevailed in that monumental victory. But now the next phase
of the real work begins, right because now that each
state can make their own laws, you know, now there's
that opportunity to go to state by state and have
the great debates. So what is the state of that
great debate nationwide?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, you know, that's a great question. I mean, you're right,
Dobs was a really triumphant moment after fifty years of
hard work by the pro life movement, and really, Dan,
you know, no other movement in history has been able
to do what the pro life movement has been able
to do, sustaining this kind of energy and persistence and
doggedness for so long. Nobody else can do that, No
other cause has that. And it did make a difference
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in row following I know that it did, But you're
right now, the battle continues right especially at the state level.
Not why my organization has really expanded our efforts to
be marching for life in the states across the country,
and the landscape is very positive and very promising, and
a lot of states that right away started passing pro
life protections and as data is starting to come in
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for the last for the last few years, those pro
life laws in pro life states really make a difference
in driving abortion down. But of course, in a place
like Colorado, pro life folks here have sort of an
i think, an extra responsibility and a particular opportunity to
be that persistent dog and witness for life in a
landscape that is that is less friendly to life, and
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just I would just encourage folks here, you know, don't
don't give into discouragement because again, we're fighting on the
cause of for the cause of life, and and it's
a beautiful fight and it's worth having. Even if the
governor does at veto this bill, even if there's a
state expansion to abortion, you know, take the long view,
just like our parents and grandparents did, and keep on
standing up for life. It is so so worth it.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I'm glad you made that point about the special opportunity
because Colorado historically, you know, has been so pro abortion
and has been one of the toughest you know, battles
for hearts and minds anywhere in the country. So personally,
I just view that as a privilege right to be
in a situation.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Where we get to take on that that tougher fight.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
And as you say, hey, maybe we don't reach the
Promised Land in our lifetime, but we just help advance
the ball as much as we can. But in the meantime,
you know, you talk about victories. To me, the ultimate
victory is making that decision to stand up to evil things.
And this is truly an evil thing. I'm not calling
any individual evil, but the reality is that what they
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are pushing on this state is an evil thing, and
it's just standing up to that I think is a
victory in and of itself.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
I think that's right and setting an example. As you said,
you know, and we've been talking about this is a
generational fight, and you and I learned from our parents
and from our mothers. And I have three little kids
who are you know, part of this movement with my
husband and me. Now actually one of my kids is
here with me, my fifth grader, who out with me
to march with me tomorrow, you know, And I think
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of him and my two little girls and what message
is the culture and the political climate going to be
giving them, And what's the world that they're going to
be inheriting as they grow And as you said, kind
of whatever the landscape looks like around us, we want
our kids to have seen their parents standing up to
be a part of this fight when it really mattered,
especially in a place like Colorado where we're fighting that fight,
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you know, fighting the good fight really matters.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, Jenny Bradley Lichter, our guest, what time does the
march start tomorrow in Colorado? And it looks like it's
going to be one of the most beautiful spring days
we've ever had.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Oh, gosh, I feel so lucky. It is going to
be a really beautiful day. The rally starts at eleven
AM and will be marching starting at news and Jenny, you.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Know, there are so many great stories in the pro
life movement. I personally think the ultimate heroes of the
pro life movement are those who have had abortions and
then join the pro life movement, or those like Jabby
Johnson obviously who were.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Involved in.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Planned parenthood and then join the pro life movement. But
I also I so admire people like you who you
have so many other options, so many big Jenny, by
the way, is a Harvard lawd. She could be out
making book buck somewhere doing the whole legal thing, but
she devotes her God given skills to this cause.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And there are just so many great stories like that.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
But Jenny, if you don't mind me closing with a
story I think you could probably relate to because it
sounds like the mom and grandma have have done the
same sort of thing. But my mom used to move
these pregnant teenage girls into the house so they wouldn't
have to have abortions and they'd have all the support
they need before and after their babies were born, and
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she'd keep these relationships long term. So when we're at
her wake, and we're Irish Catholics from South side of Chicago,
so the wake is like this raging you know, booze
and tears and laughs and everything else. And this beautiful
little girl comes up to me and said, can't finish
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the story.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Sorry, I shouldn't have started it.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I shouldn't have You know, Irish Catholics can't tell stories
like that, they.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Can never make it through to the end. But you
know how that story ended, right the girls, I'm saving
my life.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
So huh.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
So, thank you for all that you do.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Well, thank you very much for your witness for life
on this program and everything else that you do. Dan,
and I'll be praying for your mother's repose. She sounds
like an incredible woman.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Oh she sure is.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Well.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Thank you, keep up the great work.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Thanks very much.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Good and I hope everybody.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Can get out there tomorrow, because boy, what a day
and what it caused. And as Jenny said, it's hard
to describe. You got to experience it for yourself. But
there is a vibe when you go to a pro
life rally like this tomorrow, like the March for Life.
There is this energy, there's this togetherness, There is this
connection that I know sounds all boulderish, but it's so true,
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and I imagine it must have been like what those first,
you know, civil rights leaders felt like when they all
got together and they went out there to stand up
against slavery. It's something that I've never felt anywhere else
in any other situation.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It is so cool. Hope you can make it out
there tomorrow You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Bring has Sprung Denver Post version of the story, and
we'll go to the phone lines in our Texters. Governor
Jared Polis signed sweeping gun law that adds requirements to
buy certain semi automatic weapons. We had a tremendous conversation
with Sheriff Steve Riams about this that hit at four
thirty six, if you want to pull it off the podcast.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
He's so deeply knowledgeable about these issues.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
And it was great to have his perspective as a
sheriff right because part of what's so wrong about this
legislation is that it puts sheriffs right in the middle
of this big new bureaucracy where if you want to
exercise your Second Amendment right with these particular kind of firearms,
well then you.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Got to go through the sheriff. You got to get
this permit issued.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
If you haven't already completed one of these courses, you
got to go complete one of these courses, all designed
obviously to make it harder for people to exercise at right.
And then I love what the sheriff had to say
because when you read this bill and listen, I read
this stuff for a living, right, and you read this
particular bill, holy cow, you need to go see three
different type of doctors to get your brain straightened out
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after trying to chart out all the different firearms it effects.
But the sheriff somemed this way, which is why he's
the sheriff, which is they were trying to target anything
big and black and scary firearm wise, what was the
approach to this? So you want to talk about an
ar an ak, certain gas operated at semi handguns, things
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like that, But the bottom line is it going to
be harder going to have this extra layer put sheriffs
in the middle of it. And in the end, can
anybody really make a credible case that this infringement on
two A is going to make anybody safer. I come
back to my starting point, which is why would somebody
who doesn't care about our laws against murder care about
our gun loss. Seems to me they're going to break
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both of them. But then the sheriff makes this other
brilliant point, which is, hey, this thing doesn't go new
effect until August of twenty six because you have to
put all these other bureaucracies in place. So what the
Democrats in Colorado and Polus have just done is just
sell a whole lot more firearms, right, because you're going
to have people running out to get these things before
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that law goes into effect. So and Ryan, I'll tell
you it's me. I don't know what your firearm habits
are or anything like that. We've got plenty, but I've
been thinking for a while that I wanted to get
one of one of these, just to sort of supplement
the tools available, let's say. And so now it's just
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kind of a reminder to me, Okay, might as well
go do it now. So yeah, I'll be one of
those people in line to get one of these three
or three someone three eight, two, five, five, text d
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Jenny Lichter. She's a national head of March for Life
and in town for the big one tomorrow at the Capitol.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I hope you get down there.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
It starts at eleven at the march will starts sometime
in there. But as a guy who's done a bunch
of them, just have to tell you it is such
a tremendous feeling to be there with fellows civil rights champions,
you know, because everybody involved in the movement, it's the
civil rights movement of our lifetime.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Texter to d a n five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Interesting, Ryan, not a single text on the news that
Michael Bennett's getting in the governor's race.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I guess this is mister excitement.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I guess this Bennett versus Wiser showdown. I guess it's
it's going to be great for like Starbucks and Snooze
and everybody else who sells high powered coffee.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Right. I mean, can you imagine that debate.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
What's the over under on whether the moderator falls asleep
during that debate between the two of them in the.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Primer I don't envy Kyle Clark and those shoes.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
You know it's probably going to be him.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah it Dan, If you were to ring a bell
every second for every child that's been aborted since nineteen
seventy three, it would take you over eight hundred days
before you can finish.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Wow. And then when you.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Think about it and think about how the Dems have
focused on people of color, and remember what Justice Ginsburg
said that her understanding of Roe was that it was
intended to paraphrasing, minimize the populations. We don't want too
many of not my words, but the words of Justice Ginsburg.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
So you think about how the left has.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Used abortion to target communities of color, particularly the black community,
And then you think of all these millions had they
been allowed to live, and regardless of color, but all
these millions, and what they would have accomplished, and the
talent and what their children would have accomplished, Who would
have cured cancer, who would have done these other great things. Yeah,
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but that's the Democratic Party. That that is the kind
of deruction that they leave in their wake. Dan, you
have to run for governor. Seriously, no one can beat
the Democrats. Ryan, is that Texter saying they want me
to run for governors? So I get beat. Is that
what they're saying.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
Oh, and you put it all together, it kind of
comes out that way.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You're right, Yeah, Yeah, it's dan check out posts. They
state that DPD is not posting about all shootings and
even murders under a gag order by Mayor Mikey to
make the city look safer. Reminds me of what Hick
did in summer two thousand and nine, Elexa. It's hard
to imagine anything much worse than what Hick did back
(16:35):
in that summer, and we covered it very much on
the show. And I'm sure Alexa's right about two thousand
and nine. But for those new to the area, we had.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
This vicious, vicious, vicious.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Outbreak of violence and LOTO and it was happening, as
I remember, during baseball season two.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
And you had these gangs that.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Were targeting white people for these vicious beat tows and
DPD did, I'm gonna work on this, and they were
able to figure out what was behind it, who was
doing it, et cetera, and then the administration sat on it.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
The hicken Looper administration sat on it. So you had
these dads going down with their kids.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
You had all these innocent people walking into a meat
grinder with no clue because the hiccken Looper administration covered
it up because all it would have been bad for Johnny. Right, well,
it was real bad for the people who got savagely beaten,
and it was so fundamentally unfair to the citizens and
the DPD, which.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Had done great work to get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
But that tells you a lot about John Hickenlooper. Right
three h three someone three A two five five text
DN five seven seven three nine when we could back
more text more calls Senate Bill three.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Now law in Colorado?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Will it withstand constitutional challenge Dad and Moore had on
the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 7 (18:01):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Since it is now unfortunately law in the great state
of Colorado, Leland.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Welcome back. How you doing, my friend?
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Hey Dan, it's good here your voice, brother, How are
you good?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Good?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
And literally good to hear your voice. So tell people,
if you would, why it is so bad for Colorado
that Senate Bill three was signed today by Governor Polis.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Oh my word, let me count the ways, you know.
First of all, I think one thing we can expect
is that any state that has a blue legislature is
going to.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Pass the same law. This was a test case.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
It was written by the usual suspect groups, Moms Demand Action,
Everytown for Gun Safety, all the Bloomberg groups. And the
goal here was obviously to passively aggressively harassed law abiding citizens.
And I think it's worth noting that as Governor Polis
signs this gastardly bill, Colorado over the last few years,
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at least the six years that I've lived here, has
spent way more time and effort passively aggressively harassing lawbiding
citizens than it has putting hard in criminals behind bars.
And so this fake guys that this is somehow going
to a lower crime. There's not a single criminal in
this state, not a single gang member, not a single
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mass shooter, not a single person in this state that's
intent on committing a crime. But it's going to waste
the time and money to go through this ridiculous extra
training to get a ID card from the government, permission
to practice their second Amendment. They're going to go bias
stolen one off the street which isn't affected by this law.
They're going to do what they're going to do anyway.
So the only result is that Colorado's arepugned in their
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rights and criminals continue to do what they want to
like they've been allowed to do by the leadership in
the state for the last ten years.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Well, and everybody on the left behind this bill knows
that what you say is true.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
So why are they doing it? Then?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I get your point about harassment just generally, and I
imagine it helps some fundraise right when they're able to
get bills like this past, and it probably helps Polist
get some of that, not that he needs help, but
get some of that big money from the left.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
So you've got that thing going on.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
But as you say, at the end of the day,
it's the same party that's pro criminal in so many
obvious ways and that actively opposes these efforts to really
protect people from mass shootings by having armed guards and schools,
et cetera. So's it's a dangerous brew.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
It is. And I think it's interesting you bring this
up because the question why are they doing it? Right,
Let's broaden it out a little bit leftism in America,
and I think in a lot of ways we've underestimated
just how radical mainstream leftism has become. But leftism in
America is an ideology driven by hate and envy, and
(20:56):
they hate freedom, they really do. They really are afraid
of it because freedom is a threat to power. Freedom
is a threat to coercion. Freedom is a threat to tyranny.
And they can't engage in this sort of totalitarian state
that they want to set up if the American people
are armed, right, I mean, that's the whole point of
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the Second Amendment. I mean, Governor Or Polis in his
statement today said some garblebee goog about how we're protecting
Colorado's right to continue to buy whatever gun they want
for sports. People don't know. The Second Amendment isn't about
sports man, It's about tyranny.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Because he's got all these paid people with guns protecting him.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
The rest of us have to protect our families, right right.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Yeah, I mean it's maddening, it really is. And I'll
say this too, and you know, as you know, I
still am in the iHeart family. But do a showover
in San Diego, and of course I see a lot
of what's coming our way from the California side of things.
But I can tell you right now that there's Californians
that are salivating, going, hey, wait a minute, Colorado just
one uped us. In fact, I talked to the farms
(22:00):
today from California, and I was explaining this bill to him,
and he looked at me and he shook us head
and he said, Leland, we don't have anything this bad
in California. That's when you know you've reached how bad
this is.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
That's when you know you've reached wreck bottom.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Right when you start exporting leftism to California.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I mean, but at what point, Leland, you've been watching
this for a long long time. At what point do
the people of Colorado say, Okay, maybe we don't like Republicans,
but this the Democratic Party has just become loony.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Yeah. I that's a million dollar question, Dan, because I
thought we would have passed that point a long time ago,
you know, I mean, we sit and listened to pull
us again in his statement today talk about how he's
committed to making Colorado one of the top ten safest
states in America. We're at the ottom of that list,
and there's nothing in this bill that's going to move
us towards the top. And so, you know, the million
(22:57):
dollar question is how much more of this can Colorado.
I guess the answer in that lies. It's really going
to come down to affecting their wallets. But we can't
really help people understand. When I say people, I'm talking
about low information voters, people that don't really they're not
tuned into the everyday thing and they probably don't own
(23:18):
an AR fifteen, so they don't feel like this affects
them until we find a way to educate them, because
the mainstream media in this state will not educate people
as to who's fault. The pain and suffering. Their feeling
is lack of freedom right now is and until that
is fixed, we don't really have a prayer, you know.
And I don't mean to be pessimistic.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Oh no, you gotta be honest. You gotta be honest
that that's the only way we're going to fix it.
But Cleveland, how can people follow you?
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Man?
Speaker 5 (23:45):
You can follow me on Twitter or x as they
call it these days. It's at Leland show, L E, L,
A and D. Just look for Gavin Newsom's hair. That's
my Twitter scandal. You follow me there. Instagram is a
great Lelando Facebook, Leland Conway and of course every night,
you know, after your program we come on over in
San Diego on Conway and Larson on iHeartRadio Family Fisher
(24:07):
station at Coco so we could find me there all
the time.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Love it, my friend. Great to talk to you. Thanks
for the time.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Thank you, brother, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
God bless you too.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
That is the great Leland Conway. Let's go to the
phone lines. We'll start in Denver, Colorado. John, you're on
the Dan Kaplis show.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Welcome four. Maybe we could talk to Dean and Arvada. Dean,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Hey, thanks Dan.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
You're curious. So basically what I'm hearing from you correct
me if I'm wrong, of course you will. I know,
is this van all blocks because they don't come with
anything other than a detational magazine.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Oh no, listen, my understanding is and again, this is
one of the most difficult bills to read I've ever
looked at in forty years. But that's why I asked
sheriff frames you know, sheriff, how would you summarize this?
And the way the sheriff summarized it was, Hey, any
firearm that's big and black and scary, And then he
talked about obviously this effects when we talk about handguns.
(25:10):
This effects some gas operated semi automatic handguns. So my
understanding is that and it does not affect as I
understand the bill, it does not affect any that any
of us currently own. But that's my understanding of the
bill is that when we talk about say a typical
semi auto handgun, right that almost all of us have,
(25:34):
that they're probably not affected because a relatively small number
are gas operated.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
See exactly, it seems like there's a huge gray area
like when did you get the gun? Where did you
get the gun? Can you prove when you got the gun?
You know what I mean? Because you can say, well,
I've had this for years, we'll prove it, you didn't
get it for call out, prove it, you know what
(26:01):
I mean. That's like a big area where a prosecutor
could say, we're going to charge you with this anyway,
let's see if you can prove your innocent.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Well, you raise a couple of great points, right, And
that's one of the real dangers anytime you do something
like this and the enormous bureaucracy it sets up, because
now poor sheriff's put in the middle of all this,
who have to be charged with issuing permits or not
issuing permits, and all of that is some of these
unintended or maybe quietly intended consequences, confusion, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
And then you get to a brilliant point.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Dean, which is that where you live now and who
your DA is, your elected district attorney can have such
a dramatic effect on your exercise of your rights right
because if you happen to have a district attorney who
properly interprets the Constitution, is not politically motivated, etc. You're
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in a far better place to defend yourself than if
you have a district attorney from the far left who's
political motivated.
Speaker 9 (27:02):
Exactly.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Yeah, I think the only gun stores that could survive
this will be the big box guys like Capella's, uh,
Hunter's Law Warehouse. These small guys, they're gonna, they're gonna there.
There's no way they can put up with this and
sell sell any and stay in business. Just there's too
much red tape in it.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Yeah, there's too many fees.
Speaker 10 (27:23):
I just I see a lot.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Of Dane's mom fock gun stores like close the shop.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Deane appreciate the comment. I got to pull the pin
for a heartbreak. We'll go back to our jam line
Senate built three Unfortunately now long in Colorado. You're on
the Dan Caplass Show, and.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
Now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
You're on the Dan Capliss Show. Welcome like an is
it me?
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Sir?
Speaker 10 (27:53):
Oh? Dn?
Speaker 9 (27:54):
Okay, Hey, you know I'm a North Side Republican and
you're a South Side converted.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
Down cred and I think you're doing a hell of
a job.
Speaker 10 (28:03):
You're really trying hard.
Speaker 9 (28:05):
I commend you. But you know, I'm very happy that
Paula's sign this bill. I can't believe he didn't wait
the ten days.
Speaker 8 (28:15):
He committed suicide, political suicide, so him and Presker I
really don't think we have to worry about any further
because they've committed suicide.
Speaker 9 (28:27):
What we need to do now is well we needed
to do it long before, but we need to support
our local gun organizations.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Okay, now, if I can name.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
A few, I'd like to and Jim, I've got Jim lines.
Can you throw a couple out there quickly? I could
listen to your accent all day. If I close my eyes,
you know you're back in the backyard. You got the
web grill.
Speaker 8 (28:50):
Fired out Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, the NRA Second Amendment Foundation.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
We need to support my friend, the ones coming to
court for us.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Appreciate the call.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
And Rocky mount Gun Owners is once some big court battles.
Appreciate the call, my friend, call anytime. Love hearing that accent.
Let's go to John in Denver. But not John Denver.
You're on the Dan Kapla show though, that would break news.
How you doing, my friend?
Speaker 9 (29:18):
Hi Dan, I'm a retired law enforcement lieutenant with over
thirty three years wow, And I'm not going to beat
up the bill. It's then, I mean, we we've hashed that,
hashed that. But I've taught hundreds of classes to young
officers and high schoolers and the biggest thing I talk
about is the Constitution and make it rik the sinc
you know. The Constitution to me basically serves a couple
(29:40):
of functions, the organization of our government and the framework
for it. And then the big, next, biggest part is
the protections from that very government. And all public servants
have to go and raise their right hand and swear
upon their oath within the first two or three sentences
that they will uphold the Constitution of the States, and
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that comes before state law, local law, everything else. And
yet they come in and apparently decide that they're just
going to wipe their rear end with the Constitution and
do whatever they please. And it just is so fundamentally wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Well, the left just use the Constitution as an obstacle, right,
And by the way, thank you for your service thirty
three years. But that is a long, dangerous poem, my friend,
thank you for your service there. So where do you
think this ends? Where do you think it ends in Colorado?
At a certain point, does the left get so loony
here that people actually elect Republicans to state wide office?
Speaker 9 (30:39):
I don't know. Sadly, I think we're going to end
up like California, And the only way any of this
is going to change is by the will of the people,
where they do a referendum, just like they did in
California recently, where they pass more aggressive laws towards crime
and stuff, and they had to get all the signatures.
I don't see it changing otherwise unless we know reperm
from the people, because for some reason we keep voting
(31:01):
in the same thing and don't like our results. I
don't get it.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Brilliant, brilliant point, my friend.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
That's right, and just need some of those big money
folks to back some of these ballot measures.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
You're right. I think the people would vote with us
a lot more often on.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
These referenda, these big ballot measures than they would read
versus Blue.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Thanks, thanks very much for your service.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Three or three seven three eight two five five the
number text d An five seven seven three nine. Let's
go to Trinidad, Colorado. Talk to Mike. You're on the
Dan Capitalis ship.
Speaker 10 (31:28):
Welcome, Hey, Dan, how are you? Thanks you.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I'm living to dream right there you go.
Speaker 10 (31:33):
I just have a really short comment, and that is
that I think the federal government needs to get involved
at this point and put in penalties for any state
that enacts a bill and signs it into law that
goes through the constitutions that violates our constitutional right, actually
goes through the Supreme Court. If the Supreme Court finds
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it a state violated its citizens constitutional right, funding for
that stake should be pulled federally.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Well, Michael, appreciate the call. Appreciate the call, my friend.
That lined up being our last call today. We've got
another minute or two.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Such fund memories of Trinidad when I was a baby lawyer,
Like first year out, I pulled a big case down there,
and I you know, I only did criminal defense for
maybe a year or so. I did everything under the
sun for my first year and then settled into catastrophic
injury work. We got to go to that big, beautiful
courthouse down in Trinidad and it was it was just
so cool, like.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Out of a movie.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
So we'll talk more tomorrow, obviously about SB three becoming law.
Bennett will officially announce tomorrow he's running for governor in Colorado,
and this Bennett Wiser matchup in the primary. I think
the big question is how many people stay awake long
enough to vote in that one? And then who do
the Republicans put up? Because it's there's an opportunity there, right,
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there is an opening there, my friend. But final thoughts,
words of wisdom, Oh, I want to forget me. I
want to get to this great, great text today do it?
And it said, do you think the passage of this
anti gun bill is going to encourage mass shooters to
come to Colorado?
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Personally, here's our problem. We've already got a bunch here
when you make yourself the drug capital of the world.
And obviously the overwhelming majority of these mass shooters are
people who are heavy marijuana users. And Colorado so friendly
to criminals in so many different ways doing away with
the death penalty, we have done so much to already
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foster this mass shooter horrific, demonic phenomena here. They're already here.
I don't think this bill is going to bring anybody here.
There are other things bringing them here, and there are
a bunch already here, which makes the lefts unwilling. Also
left's opposition to us protecting ourselves and our families even
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more insidious. Ryan, tremendous job is always my friend. Thank
you for everything. Thank you to Kelly Human Sunshine New
Brighton's every single day.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Speaking of which ad degrees tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Please enjoy every minute of it and join us tomorrow
at four on The Dan Kapla Show.
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