Weld County Sheriff Steve Reams has dealt with the criminal illegal alien crisis first-hand, he fills in for Dan and offers his law enforcement perspective on tackling the issue head-on.
Tom Bjorklund, former Colorado GOP treasurer attempts to explain where the discrepancies in state party funding began - and where all the money went.
Tom Bjorklund, former Colorado GOP treasurer attempts to explain where the discrepancies in state party funding began - and where all the money went.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome back to the Dan Capless Show. Here in an
hour two and it looks like the weather continues to
fall apart. But as you've noticed, you're probably realize you're
not listening to Dan Kaplas today. You got Well Kenn
of Sheriff Steve Reims setting in and covering the show
for today. There'll be a couple other guest hosts for
tomorrow and Wednesday as Dan is away at trial. But yeah,
looking out the iHeart Studios here, the trees are shaking,
(00:37):
the wind is blowing, and it looks like rain's coming
anytime now, so the drive home should be a blast.
But hey, we got a Nuggets game to watch tonight,
so we can all hunker down on our bunkers and
hopefully watch the Nuggets win a game one. And we
know that the AF season ended last week, but you know, regardless,
still got one team in the playoffs, and we're not
a sports show. So I'll get off that at this point.
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But as we went to break, we were talking about
sanctuary state and the state of Colorado. What is this state?
Is it a sanctuary state? Is it not? By definition?
And I asked you guys, call in tell me what
you think. Text in start your text with Dan at
five seven seventy three nine or call in three h
three seven one three eight two five five. And speaking
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of callers, we have Rob from Longma. He's waded through
the break.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Rob.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
How are you doing.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Good afternoon, sir? How are you?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I'm great, Rob. What do you have to say to
us today?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, I think we can definitely say that Colorado is
the sanctuary state.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
And I think what really picked it.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Into gear was old Bill Ritter and his refusing to
charge people in the country illegally with immigration issues and
would just charge them with agricultural trespass.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I do remember that trend happening, and I don't even
remember what his his argument was for doing so, but yeah,
it was it was basically to avoid any kind of
any kind of acknowledgement that there might be an a
legal immigration issue, if my memory serves me.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Right, and I believe that would be correct. I don't
even recall when he was.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
Sitting as governor.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
I want to say it was mid nineties. But yeah,
it seems to me he's the one that really kind
of got this ball rolling, and when Hickenlooper got in there,
that really expedieted things.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
So yeah, well Polus has been a real gift to
this state as far as as far as I'm concerned,
these last six years, six plus years with his leadership,
and I say that very much in air quotes, has
just been a dumpster fire. At least hicken Looper still
had a little modicum of understanding of hey, we got
to have some balance with oil and gas industry, we
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got to have a little bit of balance with the
rule of law. Polus just threw that stuff right out
the window and Ridder before him. I just think he
was he was just weak sauce the whole way through.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Well, well, welcome to the the asylum.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So if you had to say, this is the one
thing I noticed when I'm driving around Colorado that says, yep,
Colorado is a sanctuary state. What is that thing you
see or can you point to that one thing?
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Okay, Well, I'm a world county resident okay.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
And if I see a mid nineties s box of.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
A vehicle with different color paint primer, very poorly tinted
windows and no license plates.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Yeah, I'm gonna say that.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
All right, I'm profiling, but I'm profiling.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I got you, I got you. That's a fair assessment.
You know. The way I see it in Weld County
is when you see the guys that are selling oranges
on the side of the road, usually in the city
of Greeley, but sometimes they try to venture out into
the county. That's not that's not something you typically saw
up until maybe the last year eighteen months. And you know,
the roadside what I call, you know, fruit vendors. That
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that to me, that's that's a bridge too far. Obviously.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Well, in my ao, we have an occasional uh selling
flowers in the middle of the county road intersection, which
it is. I don't know how far away from anybody it.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Is, but it's it's a good stretch. I doubt there's
a lot of romance occurring.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
There's you know them their caps fair enough, Rob, thanks
for calling in from Longmont. Appreciate the phone call. And
again we got plenty of lines open. Number here is
three oh three seven one, three eight two five five.
I love having the conversations with you, getting your perspective
from wherever you're at in the state of Colorado, because
as we know, Colorado is a large state and very,
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very diverse. What you see in Denver, you don't necessarily
see in Weld County or Colorado Springs or Pueblo or
anywhere else. And quite frankly, every time I've hosted this show,
the callers from pub have flooded in today, though they're
being silent. Going back to the text wall here, Yes,
Colorado is a sanctuary state, as evidenced by the punishment
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that that truck driver received in the I seventy crash
that Dan's covered many times. And then they leave a
nice note here says, keep up the great work mark
in Weld County, Wyoming. Boy, wouldn't that be nice Weld County, Wyoming.
Cann't they talk about that riff?
Speaker 5 (05:25):
You know?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
That's yeah, there was an effort by some individuals to
try to get Weld County to secede or cut away
and go into Wyoming. Wyoming was I guess open to
the discussion. Their governor even came down and made a
few talks about inviting Weld County up. I have to
tell you the impacts that that would have on the
state of Colorado's budget would be tremendous because about seventy
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to eighty percent of the oil and gas exploration in
the state come out of Weld County, despite all the
crap that comes out of the state capitol trying to
kill the industry.
Speaker 7 (05:58):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 8 (05:58):
And then we hear also so that after these recent
elections snap elections in Canada, Alberta wanted to become the
fifty first state.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, you know, go figure, I think Trump would welcome that.
Why not? You know, I don't. I don't know if
we want them. I mean, but you know, you used
to live close to the Canadian border, is it, young man?
Do you want Do you want the Canadians to become
part of the United States?
Speaker 8 (06:21):
That's that's a loaded question because if it's Ontario, that's
that's no. A lot more liberals there in Toronto and
so forth. But Edmonton, Calgary, Alberta, the Calgary Stampede, that's
the red state of Canada.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
Baby.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
It's interesting. I have a friend who who came to
the United States from Canada. One of the first times
I was hosting Dan show, he made a comment about,
you know, hey, bring Alberta, leave leave some of those
other places. So your point is shared a couple other
texts here, this person saying, hey, this is how you
can tell Colorado has become a sanctuary state. Windshield cleaning
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on the corners. I'm assuming that's in downtown Denver and Aurora.
I don't see that in in Greeley or in Welld County,
but I've heard about it plenty, and you know, believe
it or not, when I drive down here, I try
not to stop at an intersection because I don't want
whatever is in Denver or Aurora to stick to me.
Another text here says, yes, Colorado is a sanctuary state.
Oh we got that one a minute to go, Sorry
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about that. Don't you think that if Colorado got rid
of all the illegal immigrants who are here, especially hard
blue Denver would lose the voting Democrat majority says I
feel like that's a lot of the underlying fight that's
not often talked about. If those voters and air quotes leave,
then maybe Colorado could come back to the red side.
So that's another great question in the sanctuary state that
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we live in. When people can come here and get
a driver's license, and there's been arguments that they've been
automatically registered to vote, the question is do they vote?
And I honestly don't know. I've talked to my local
clerk and recorder, Carly Kappas, who got elected at the
same time I did, and she's quite certain that illegal
do not vote in our elections. And I've heard that
(08:02):
from several other clerks and recorders around the state. But
it always puts a pit in my stomach when you
can show up here, especially now, you don't have to
have any kind of proof or sign an affidavit. You
have to have some kind of ID that's that could
have expired within the last almost ten years, and then
you can come here and get your driver's license. With
the Senate Bill two seventy six, you'll be able to
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come in and get in state tuition even if you
came here illegally. Man, it's I don't know, the state's
kind of it's going haywire. When I drive through this
state from all four corners of the of the state,
you just see this kind of dwindling down as you
get closer and closer to the Denver metro area, and
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then you know, you get here and you're like, gosh,
what happened? Especially if you go down into the downtown area,
go down around the Capitol and all these same lawmakers
walk in and out of that building every day and
they have the ability to turn around and say, oh,
don't worry, this isn't a sanctuary state. It just makes
it makes no sense whatsoever. I think we'll go ahead
(09:05):
and take a break. When we come back, we'll finish
the conversation again. You can call in three o three
seven one three eight two five y five or text
in five seven seven three nine start your text with Dan.
And again the question of the day is is Colorado
sanctuary state? Follow up question? What what do you see that?
What evidence makes it that sanctuary state? So we'll cut
to break. We got a caller that's on the line.
(09:26):
When we come back, we'll go straight to that caller.
But you're listening to the Dan Capless Show here with
Will Kenny, Sheriff Steve Raims sitting in the driver's seat.
Six point thirty k half.
Speaker 7 (09:36):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 9 (09:39):
The incidents we're limited to a handful of apartment conflict
on apartment complexes, and the mayor said, our dedicated police
officers have acted on those concerns a handful of problems.
Speaker 10 (09:53):
Only, Martha, do you hear yourself? Only a handful of
apartment complexes in America we're taken over by venezuel gangs.
And Donald Trump is the problem and not Kamala Harris's
open border. Americans are so fed up with what's going on,
and they have every right to be. And I really
find this exchange, Martha is sort of interesting because you
(10:13):
seem to be more focused with nitpicking everything that Donald
Trump has said rather than acknowledging that apartment complexes in
the United States of America are being taken over by
violent gangs. I worry so much more about that problem
than anything else here. We've got to get American communities
in a safe space again. And unfortunately, when you let
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people in by the millions, most of whom are unvetted,
most of whom you don't know who they really are,
you're going to have problems like this. Kamala Harris ninety
four executive orders that undid Donald Trump's successful border policies.
We knew this stuff would happen. It's ragged about opening
the border, and now we have the consequences and we're
living with it. We can do so much better, but frankly,
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we're not going to do better Martha, unless Donald Trump
call this stuff out.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
I'm glad that he did.
Speaker 11 (11:01):
Although we were low income and barely paying our bills,
we realized the need to invest in home protection and
we purchased three additional handguns as six cameras in the
event that we had to defend ourselves. And during June
and July, the gang members slowly began to torture us
through intimidation, loud arguments, physical conflicts outside our door every night, vandalizing,
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taking over vacant apartments on our floor, and after several
confrontations with the gang members, several calls and submitting video
evidence to the Aurora Police Department with no results, we
gave up trying to stop them from squatting on the property.
We spent the next few weeks looking for another rental,
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and we were unable to locate another low income property
rental that didn't have the same exact issues that we
were facing every day.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And capitals show welcome back to the Dan Caplis show.
You got Will Kenny Shirres deve Reems setting in here today.
You know, we're talking a lot about illegal immigration, especially
in light of what kind of dropped last Friday, which
is the federal government filing a lawsuit against the State
of Colorado a complaint if you will, and let's see
here I believe it is. Sorry, I'm flipping through pages
(12:19):
twenty four pages long, which is interesting because at the
same time, the state of Colorado is debating a bill,
Senate Bill twenty five Dash two seventy six that is
basically reaffirming that we are a sanctuary state, that bill
being twenty nine pages long. So we're writing a law
in the state of Colorado. I say, we are illustrious
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state legislators writing a law in Colorado to further codify
that we are a sanctuary state, all the while while
we're being sued by the federal government for being a
sanctuary state. You just can't make this stuff up. And
you know, I asked you guys, text in, call in,
tell me do you think Colorado is a sanctuary state.
That's kind of a rhetorical question. I mean, even if
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you're on the left I think you have to admit
at this point Colorado is a sanctuary state. But if
you got an argument the other way, I'd love to
hear that too. You can text in start your text
with Dan at five seven, seven, three nine, or call
in three oh three seven one three eight two five
y five. We had Eric on the line before we
went to break, and I don't think you want to
set through a commercial, so hopefully we'll call back in.
But regardless, you know, if you've got a comment you
(13:26):
want to make about where we're at with this state
of illegal immigration, bring it on. I'm sick of it.
I'm hoping that this lawsuit filed by the Trump administration
does start to reverse some of what we're seeing in
this state. You know, the allegations in here are spelled
out pretty pretty succinctly, and it starts with House Built
nineteen eleven, twenty four, which was kind of the tipping
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point for law enforcement and our ability to interact with
ice by essentially saying that we can't do that anymore,
we can't have a meaningful relationship as sheriffs and dealing
with how we're going to hand off a person who
has an immigration detainer because in the state of Colorado,
we just pretend like immigration detainers have no rule of law,
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and we're supposed to just let the illegals run out
the door the minute that they postponded or they finish
their time, even though there's an active want for them
by Ice or Immigration, if you will to send this
person back to where they came from. Some of the
texts here, This one is right on point. It says,
how about the fact that in the state of Colorado,
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as law enforcement officers, we aren't even allowed to ask
someone's legal status. That is the truth that could be pertinent,
That could be very meaningful in a criminal investigation, especially
if you're talking to someone and you want to find
out if they're a flight risk. You're not supposed to
ask them if they're here legally. A clarifying text for
the one that was sent in earlier, talking about windshield
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cleaning on the corners, I said, I assume that's Denver, Aurora.
That text are sent back in says no, it's in Thornton,
not where I thought we would be talking about. Another
one here says this from Alexi. She says, I remember
the ICE agent Corey Vorhees enlightening us on how they
were prosecuting illegal immigrants only for agricultural trespassing. That goes
back to the comments from one of our callers about
(15:11):
Bill Ritter when he was the governor of the state
of Colorado. You know, we've just we've gone all over
the board here about you know, our stands in the
state of Colorado and what we're going to do to
uphold the citizens rights. Instead, we've we've leaned so far
over that we're we're just we're defending the illegals that
are here again, text in, call in. You can text
(15:32):
in at five seven, seven, three nine, start to text
that with Dan, or you can call in at three
oh three seven one, three eight two five five. But
when we started the show, I had Dick Wadhams on
a little bit of a change in gears here. I
asked Dick to come on because there's been a transition
in the in the Republican Party from the Dave Williams
chairmanship over to the Brita Horn chairmanship, and there's been
(15:52):
a little bit of a controversy about you know, hey,
is this party going to be able to redeem itself?
And some of the people that we're very big fans
of Dave have been texting me and through social media
saying that I'm attacking the guy, or that I'm going
after Dave Williams and his time in the chairmanship. I
never once said anything cross about Dave Williams. I haven't
(16:13):
said anything cross about him here. I think he had
every right to get paid as the chairman of the
Republican Party. I questioned, why wouldn't you just take that
as a payment to Dave Williams as a salary instead
of doing it to his consulting firm. But quite frankly,
there's probably a tax benefit in doing that, and I
don't really care. He had the right to take a payment.
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What I'm interested in is, okay, is it normal for
a chairman to spend down the funds before they turn
over the reins to a new person. We had Dick
Wadhams on to kind of explain, Hey, sometimes you actually
take over being in the hole. So what Dave's team
has done and setting the brit of Horn administration up
with some funds probably makes a lot of sense. So
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we got just a couple of minutes, We'll get to
Scott here from glenn Dale he's got some questions on
gun rights, Scott, what do you got fors Yeah, yeah,
go for it.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
That's Scott.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Can I carry a.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Handgun in my car loaded?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Absolutely you can. But I will tell you that jurisdiction
by jurisdiction, there are some questions about whether or not
a municipality, a state locality could change the law individually
for that particular town or city. There was a change
in state law a couple I think a couple of
cycles ago that said, each each political subdivision can create
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their own gun laws. They can ignore reciprocity. So the
question of that is you need to know where you're going.
In Well County, you're totally good. You can carry a
loaded gun in your car and be totally legal to
do so. I can't tell you that applies equally everywhere
in the state. But thanks for the call, Scott. Sorry
we're cutting a little short. We've got a hard break here.
If you're listening to the Dan Kaplis show here on
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six point thirty k how with Well Kenny Sheriff Steve
Reims setting in on the driver's seat. We'll be back
right after the.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show Podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Welcome back to the Dan Capless Show with well kind
of shaff Steve Raims on the line here filling in
for Dan. We're gonna try to get to a caller
here in just a second that's gonna give us some
clarification about the Dave Williams regime switch over to the
Britta Horn regime, and then we're just gonna put this
whole discussion to bad afterwards, because what I want to
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do is get Republicans rowing in the right direction. And
we've had a lot of information come out from the
Dave Williams camp for the last two years that you know,
has been criticized from one side or the other. Now
we have the Brittahorn administration coming in to run the
Republican Party and we have some criticism there. And the
handoff of the funds from one group to the next
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has been I guess questionable in the way that it's
been advertised out to the public as to where the
funds legit, where things spent the correct way, And when
I boiled down and look through the numbers, I can't
see that anything illegal was done. There was a question
of why Dave didn't just take a salary instead of
switching things over to his hit, his firm, his you know,
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his side business, if you will. But quite frankly, there
was probably a tax break there. So to clear things up,
we have a gentleman who I don't think I've met
in person, but he was willing to come on the
show and say, hey, uh, here's kind of the facts
of the matter and set the record straight. He's the
former treasurer of the Republican Party for the state of Colorado.
His name is Tom b Orkland. Tom, thanks for coming
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on with us, and your time is valuable, so we'll
try to make sure we stay on point.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Thanks Tom, Yeah, thanks for having me. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
You bet.
Speaker 11 (19:46):
So.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
There was an email set out by Bretta Horn and
her team I guess middle of last week. They kind
of just said, hey, here's the funds that we have.
I don't know if she was, you know, trying to
infer that the going outgoing administration hadn't done things completely
correct or if it was just a matter of you know,
people jumping to conclusions. But I think you prepared a
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lot of the information that ended up in that email,
So can you just tell us, hey, you know, here
here's the way things ended, here's what here's the work
you did while you were in that seat. And I
know you had to do a lot of work. You're
a professional accountant from what I can tell. So just
tell us where we're really at, if you would.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Yeah, so I I well, first of all, to set
the state the you know, there's there's more factions within
the Republican.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Party, no doubt about that.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Yeah, so bridges on, you know, apparently one of the sides.
And I wouldn't even say there's two sides. There's probably
three or four factions within the within the party, and
at various times they.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Uh, you know, get together.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
But the you know, my my experience as a as
a measure for multiple campaigns, you know, goes all the
way back to twenty ten when I was a treasurer
for Compent Credo's campaign for the governor when he ran
under the American Constitution Party. So and then interestingly enough,
I was the treasurer for dave opponent when Dave ran
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for chairman and his opponent Eric Odland, and I endorsed Erek,
and to my surprise, Dave asked me to join his
you know, join the Colorado rebooking parties scheme, and so
you know, I came on board with with Dave and
really just working with Dave, I mean he was a
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consumer professional, just like with Eric. I mean, their management
styles were very similar. He let me do my job,
he oversaw things, and you know, he actually wasn't a
signer on the account. A lot of chair chair people
don't like to be signers because they don't want to
be implicated if there's.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Anything wrong, you know.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
So but but Dave was, you know, he was a
he was a pro. So he kind of left things
up to me to handle. And you know, and then
all these during these internal battles, people started accusing him of,
you know, literally stealing money. We had one of our
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elected people from the from the party had accused him
of stealing money, and they asked me to clarify it,
and you know, and I wasn't even in on the
whole conversation, and they kind of roped me in and said, hey, Tom,
you know there's I'm being accused of stealing money. Will
you what do you have to say? And I told Aranda,
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she's not even having a bank account, so hard.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
To steal something you don't have access to right.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Yeah, right, and so uh and and then she said, uh,
you know you must be in on it then. So
that was the beginning all this questioning of the finances,
and you know, it was a to the shock and so,
you know, it just looks like it's a continuation with
with with Bretta Horn. This is one faction trying to
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make the other faction look bad. And you know, it's
there's reality and then there's politics. Unfortunately, that's that's where
we're at. And then she sends out this email and
you know the beginning of that is we we met
on Friday, the the fourth of April. We met and
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she had her attorney there and uh, the young guy
that are asking to be the you know, the office guy,
the the executive director, I guess, and and Britta was
there and and they brought in this man named Michael
Wheeler who is going to be the treasurer. And so
they introduced me to Michael. Michael was you know, we'd
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had have some interactions before and you know, he wasn't
a friendly skuy in the past, but he was very
professional and friendly and this meeting and you know, we
just talked about how we were going to turn over
the books and he lives an Eagle and I am
Grant Junction, so you know, it went by Eagle and
dropped off the check books to him. We went down
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to sign all the paperwork and get that, get the
ball rolling, and you know, turn everything over. So it
takes you know, it takes a good month to turn
over things because there's a lot of moving parts with
the party. So to me, kind of being the last
guy out the door, that kind of fell on me
to do.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
So do you feel comfortable that the books that you
handed over to Britta and her team are as accurate
as can possibly be? I mean, do you believe those
are beyond reproach? I'm kind of putting you on the spot,
but you're the guy that prepared him, So what's your opinion?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Well, I mean, you know, I'm I am the guy
that prepared the last for the last few years. But
that's you know, as far as the book's being perfect,
they're other or not. And I was very upfront when
I came into the meeting and I told them that
we've been working on a discrepancy between the cash on
hand between what they've been reporting to the FBC and
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what was actually in the bank and it was off
by you know, six figures, and Michael asked me to
put a number on it, and I said, well, you know,
the more I dig, the worst kids, because you know,
I'm planning errors or omissions or whatever. And as we
as we reconcile those internally, the number is getting worse,
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not getting better. And I was really hoping to help
fix that problem of that discrepancy. And so he asked
me to put a number on it, and I said, well,
you know, I don't have all the details yet because
this stills back years. It goes back before the administration,
before days. Yeah, And that that came from the Mike
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McCauley was the guy who was filing their books. He's
the CPA out of Utah, and and I had when
we had taken over, when Dave took over. I emailed
them and they said, hey, these books appear to be
off by about one hundred thousand dollars. And he said,
give me a call. And so he told me, you know,
it's actually ninety five thousand and the you know, and
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I had been working on it, is what he said.
And I didn't quite understand what he meant by that,
but as I looked through the books, I kind of
realized that it appeared that they were understating expenditures and
or excuse the overstating expenditures which then would get reported
and reduce that total and over in the midst and
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deposits and things and show.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
So as I looked and did you know if I
was going to repair that, it was gone to actually
that discrepancy was going to get bigger. So I mentioned
that to to Britta and I and you know, in
her team. I just want to let them know heads up,
you know, this is you know, full disclosure there. The
books don't balance, at least on the federal side, and
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this is why. And you know, we we were aware
of it. I reported it as soon as I found
out about it. I reported it to the Federal Election Commission,
that the books didn't balance. There were still incoming checks
and things, so I didn't have the total of where
the balance was off because frankly, we didn't get any
books when when I took over. All they did was
(27:29):
they gave the code and the Dore code, and there
was you know, there were two shredders in the middle
of the rooms, little pieces of paper all over the place,
so we you know, we didn't get any books, so
I had to kind of recreate things from bank balances
and public records and.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Try to not the best not the best way of
doing business. Well, Tom, we could probably talk about this
for days, but I think at this point I feel
safe and kind of summarizing. You did the best you
could to clean up the mess that you were given,
and it sounds like you feel pretty confident that you've
handed things off in as best condition as possible to
this new administration. Look, I appreciate you being on. I
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know that you know it's hard to come on and
try to explain financials on a radio show, But at
this point, I think it's important for all these factions
to just move forward and say, let's get Republicans elected.
I think you could probably agree with me on that. Correct.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Well, yeah, I mean it would be good, but I'd
like to see the discrepancy fix and I'm sure the
federal election to mission.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely so.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
But but you know, I've heard interviews, you know, in
great alls and said she's only going to look at
the two years and she's calling well political audit. She's
turning over the books to the people who actually did
Dave's opponents books for the primary, okay, and so in
those that's going to be who does the forensic audit,
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And you know she's named air quotes forensic gotit. You know,
forensic audit is really what they need in order to
find that money. And I'm I'm all for a forensic
on it, but I'm not in favor of a political audit.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Gotcha.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Where they're out, they're just trying to find something that
they can pin on Dave, or maybe there's an error
or some numbers got transposer, who knows what?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
You know?
Speaker 4 (29:12):
If they find something, and then they make them out
and out of amolele and try to try to distract
from the bigger issue, which is there somewhere.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Tom. I appreciate you coming on. We got a hard
break to go to, but thanks for thanks for educating us. Again.
You're listening to the Dan Caplea Show here on six
thirty KM and.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
Now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Welcome back to the Dan Kapla Show and our final
segment here of hour two. Ben just flies by every
time I get to host this show. But speaking of
flying by, we had a couple of callers that waded
through that last segment, so I want to get to
them right away. We got Paul from Arvada.
Speaker 12 (29:50):
Paul, how you doing, Hey, I'm doing great, misaffronoon, Hey,
thank you for your service.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (29:58):
So, yes, I believe call it I was a sanctuary state.
And one piece of evidence is that I believe our
legislatures legislators are more interested in defending illegal immigrants than
they are in helping our own students.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I can tell you they certainly don't help law enforcement either.
They hate us, I bet so.
Speaker 12 (30:21):
Specifically, last year, House built twenty four to twelve sixteen
is the Justice Engaged Students Bill of Rights, and it
is a great bill with one huge law, and that
is that it was not funded. So there's absolutely zero
dollars allocated by our legislators. So that students who get
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justice engaged, which means involved with the law in some way,
shape or form, they should have a hotline that they
can call and get help, whether that means legal help,
family support, graduation plan, whatever. And so I would just
encourage folks to contact their states senators and representatives and
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say fund HVA twenty four or twelve sixteen.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
All right, great, thanks for calling in, Paul, and thanks
for holding through that last segment. We'll get to Hunter
and Larimer County. You got a question about traffic science.
Hopefully I can answer that.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (31:18):
Sure.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
Have you noticed that when you're entering the highway, I'll
just use I twenty five, that the yield signs have
been removed and people think that the oncoming traffic is
supposed to yield to the people coming onto the highway
because it's really getting kind of dangerous. I'm in Larimer County.
If I was going to say alt or something up
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in Well County and I was taking thirty four east,
I'd have a hard time getting off the highway because
the people getting on the highway at thirty four are
preventing us from descending down into that curve to go
on to thirty four.
Speaker 12 (31:57):
But it's all over.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
I twenty five. There are no yield signs. They've removed them.
So do we not have to yield anymore?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
You still have to yield, but I guess signage is
just optional in the state of Colorado anymore. My assumption
is those signs have probably been taken out during construction
or whatever. And they just thought, well, this is a
cost saving move. Everybody's supposed to know what the rules
of the road were, so we just won't put the
sign back up.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
I don't know, there isn't any anywhere on the highway.
And you know, next time you drive on the interstate,
just look, you'll see there are no yield signs.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Well, unfortunately, I'm going to have a long drive going
back to Weld County. But fortunately the ends in Weld County.
I'll take a look at every one of the entrants
and exits off of you.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
I'd love to have it here a comment sometime from
you on that, because you know, people don't yield to
get on the highway. They expect you to slow down
and let them on, or change lanes or something.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Run into it all. Yeah, I see it all the time,
now that you mentioned it, I just never noticed the
absence of the yield signs. But I'll keep my eyes
out and I'm sure the callers and listeners will also,
So Hunter, thanks for calling in appreciate it. So when
we finished that last segment, you know there are a
few texts have rolled in Alexi, says Sheriff Rames. Theoretically,
the easiest account to reconcile should be cash. So disappointing.
(33:12):
I'd love to see a forensic got it. And I
think that's, you know, that's what Britta Horn's been been
suggesting that she's going to do. But when we had
Tom on Tom YORKLND, he mentioned that some of this
stuff may have been a carryover all the way back
to the Ryan Call administration. I just want to encourage people,
if you haven't been that involved in politics, if you
(33:34):
google Ryan Call Colorado, one of the first articles that
comes up is out of the out of Colorado politics.
It's Ernest Lunning, says ex Colorado GOP chairman Ryan Called
disbarred over mishandling funds at pro Trump pack. So go figure.
You know, now we're in a place where six years,
eight years later, there's still a question about where some
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funding is and how long that's carried over. Not a
good look for the Republicans. But at this point, I
think you got to bury this hatchet, try to figure
out how to reconcile the books and move forward. So
it's been a pleasure fill it in for Dan. Here
on a Monday, a windy, cold looking monday, out the
window have a safe drive home if you're leaving going
that way, just like I am. And again this is
(34:16):
well Kenny Sheriff Steve Reens setting in for Dan Caplis here.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome back to the Dan Capless Show. Here in an
hour two and it looks like the weather continues to
fall apart. But as you've noticed, you're probably realize you're
not listening to Dan Kaplas today. You got Well Kenn
of Sheriff Steve Reims setting in and covering the show
for today. There'll be a couple other guest hosts for
tomorrow and Wednesday as Dan is away at trial. But yeah,
looking out the iHeart Studios here, the trees are shaking,
(00:37):
the wind is blowing, and it looks like rain's coming
anytime now, so the drive home should be a blast.
But hey, we got a Nuggets game to watch tonight,
so we can all hunker down on our bunkers and
hopefully watch the Nuggets win a game one. And we
know that the AF season ended last week, but you know, regardless,
still got one team in the playoffs, and we're not
a sports show. So I'll get off that at this point.
(00:59):
But as we went to break, we were talking about
sanctuary state and the state of Colorado. What is this state?
Is it a sanctuary state? Is it not? By definition?
And I asked you guys, call in tell me what
you think. Text in start your text with Dan at
five seven seventy three nine or call in three h
three seven one three eight two five five. And speaking
(01:19):
of callers, we have Rob from Longma. He's waded through
the break.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Rob.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
How are you doing.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Good afternoon, sir? How are you?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I'm great, Rob. What do you have to say to
us today?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, I think we can definitely say that Colorado is
the sanctuary state.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
And I think what really picked it.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Into gear was old Bill Ritter and his refusing to
charge people in the country illegally with immigration issues and
would just charge them with agricultural trespass.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I do remember that trend happening, and I don't even
remember what his his argument was for doing so, but yeah,
it was it was basically to avoid any kind of
any kind of acknowledgement that there might be an a
legal immigration issue, if my memory serves me.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Right, and I believe that would be correct. I don't
even recall when he was.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
Sitting as governor.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
I want to say it was mid nineties. But yeah,
it seems to me he's the one that really kind
of got this ball rolling, and when Hickenlooper got in there,
that really expedieted things.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
So yeah, well Polus has been a real gift to
this state as far as as far as I'm concerned,
these last six years, six plus years with his leadership,
and I say that very much in air quotes, has
just been a dumpster fire. At least hicken Looper still
had a little modicum of understanding of hey, we got
to have some balance with oil and gas industry, we
(02:53):
got to have a little bit of balance with the
rule of law. Polus just threw that stuff right out
the window and Ridder before him. I just think he
was he was just weak sauce the whole way through.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Well, well, welcome to the the asylum.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So if you had to say, this is the one
thing I noticed when I'm driving around Colorado that says, yep,
Colorado is a sanctuary state. What is that thing you
see or can you point to that one thing?
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Okay, Well, I'm a world county resident okay.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
And if I see a mid nineties s box of.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
A vehicle with different color paint primer, very poorly tinted
windows and no license plates.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Yeah, I'm gonna say that.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
All right, I'm profiling, but I'm profiling.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I got you, I got you. That's a fair assessment.
You know. The way I see it in Weld County
is when you see the guys that are selling oranges
on the side of the road, usually in the city
of Greeley, but sometimes they try to venture out into
the county. That's not that's not something you typically saw
up until maybe the last year eighteen months. And you know,
the roadside what I call, you know, fruit vendors. That
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that to me, that's that's a bridge too far. Obviously.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Well, in my ao, we have an occasional uh selling
flowers in the middle of the county road intersection, which
it is. I don't know how far away from anybody it.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Is, but it's it's a good stretch. I doubt there's
a lot of romance occurring.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
There's you know them their caps fair enough, Rob, thanks
for calling in from Longmont. Appreciate the phone call. And
again we got plenty of lines open. Number here is
three oh three seven one, three eight two five five.
I love having the conversations with you, getting your perspective
from wherever you're at in the state of Colorado, because
as we know, Colorado is a large state and very,
(04:49):
very diverse. What you see in Denver, you don't necessarily
see in Weld County or Colorado Springs or Pueblo or
anywhere else. And quite frankly, every time I've hosted this show,
the callers from pub have flooded in today, though they're
being silent. Going back to the text wall here, Yes,
Colorado is a sanctuary state, as evidenced by the punishment
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that that truck driver received in the I seventy crash
that Dan's covered many times. And then they leave a
nice note here says, keep up the great work mark
in Weld County, Wyoming. Boy, wouldn't that be nice Weld County, Wyoming.
Cann't they talk about that riff?
Speaker 5 (05:25):
You know?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
That's yeah, there was an effort by some individuals to
try to get Weld County to secede or cut away
and go into Wyoming. Wyoming was I guess open to
the discussion. Their governor even came down and made a
few talks about inviting Weld County up. I have to
tell you the impacts that that would have on the
state of Colorado's budget would be tremendous because about seventy
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to eighty percent of the oil and gas exploration in
the state come out of Weld County, despite all the
crap that comes out of the state capitol trying to
kill the industry.
Speaker 7 (05:58):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 8 (05:58):
And then we hear also so that after these recent
elections snap elections in Canada, Alberta wanted to become the
fifty first state.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, you know, go figure, I think Trump would welcome that.
Why not? You know, I don't. I don't know if
we want them. I mean, but you know, you used
to live close to the Canadian border, is it, young man?
Do you want Do you want the Canadians to become
part of the United States?
Speaker 8 (06:21):
That's that's a loaded question because if it's Ontario, that's
that's no. A lot more liberals there in Toronto and
so forth. But Edmonton, Calgary, Alberta, the Calgary Stampede, that's
the red state of Canada.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
Baby.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
It's interesting. I have a friend who who came to
the United States from Canada. One of the first times
I was hosting Dan show, he made a comment about,
you know, hey, bring Alberta, leave leave some of those
other places. So your point is shared a couple other
texts here, this person saying, hey, this is how you
can tell Colorado has become a sanctuary state. Windshield cleaning
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on the corners. I'm assuming that's in downtown Denver and Aurora.
I don't see that in in Greeley or in Welld County,
but I've heard about it plenty, and you know, believe
it or not, when I drive down here, I try
not to stop at an intersection because I don't want
whatever is in Denver or Aurora to stick to me.
Another text here says, yes, Colorado is a sanctuary state.
Oh we got that one a minute to go, Sorry
(07:17):
about that. Don't you think that if Colorado got rid
of all the illegal immigrants who are here, especially hard
blue Denver would lose the voting Democrat majority says I
feel like that's a lot of the underlying fight that's
not often talked about. If those voters and air quotes leave,
then maybe Colorado could come back to the red side.
So that's another great question in the sanctuary state that
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we live in. When people can come here and get
a driver's license, and there's been arguments that they've been
automatically registered to vote, the question is do they vote?
And I honestly don't know. I've talked to my local
clerk and recorder, Carly Kappas, who got elected at the
same time I did, and she's quite certain that illegal
do not vote in our elections. And I've heard that
(08:02):
from several other clerks and recorders around the state. But
it always puts a pit in my stomach when you
can show up here, especially now, you don't have to
have any kind of proof or sign an affidavit. You
have to have some kind of ID that's that could
have expired within the last almost ten years, and then
you can come here and get your driver's license. With
the Senate Bill two seventy six, you'll be able to
(08:24):
come in and get in state tuition even if you
came here illegally. Man, it's I don't know, the state's
kind of it's going haywire. When I drive through this
state from all four corners of the of the state,
you just see this kind of dwindling down as you
get closer and closer to the Denver metro area, and
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then you know, you get here and you're like, gosh,
what happened? Especially if you go down into the downtown area,
go down around the Capitol and all these same lawmakers
walk in and out of that building every day and
they have the ability to turn around and say, oh,
don't worry, this isn't a sanctuary state. It just makes
it makes no sense whatsoever. I think we'll go ahead
(09:05):
and take a break. When we come back, we'll finish
the conversation again. You can call in three o three
seven one three eight two five y five or text
in five seven seven three nine start your text with Dan.
And again the question of the day is is Colorado
sanctuary state? Follow up question? What what do you see that?
What evidence makes it that sanctuary state? So we'll cut
to break. We got a caller that's on the line.
(09:26):
When we come back, we'll go straight to that caller.
But you're listening to the Dan Capless Show here with
Will Kenny, Sheriff Steve Raims sitting in the driver's seat.
Six point thirty k half.
Speaker 7 (09:36):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 9 (09:39):
The incidents we're limited to a handful of apartment conflict
on apartment complexes, and the mayor said, our dedicated police
officers have acted on those concerns a handful of problems.
Speaker 10 (09:53):
Only, Martha, do you hear yourself? Only a handful of
apartment complexes in America we're taken over by venezuel gangs.
And Donald Trump is the problem and not Kamala Harris's
open border. Americans are so fed up with what's going on,
and they have every right to be. And I really
find this exchange, Martha is sort of interesting because you
(10:13):
seem to be more focused with nitpicking everything that Donald
Trump has said rather than acknowledging that apartment complexes in
the United States of America are being taken over by
violent gangs. I worry so much more about that problem
than anything else here. We've got to get American communities
in a safe space again. And unfortunately, when you let
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people in by the millions, most of whom are unvetted,
most of whom you don't know who they really are,
you're going to have problems like this. Kamala Harris ninety
four executive orders that undid Donald Trump's successful border policies.
We knew this stuff would happen. It's ragged about opening
the border, and now we have the consequences and we're
living with it. We can do so much better, but frankly,
(10:57):
we're not going to do better Martha, unless Donald Trump
call this stuff out.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
I'm glad that he did.
Speaker 11 (11:01):
Although we were low income and barely paying our bills,
we realized the need to invest in home protection and
we purchased three additional handguns as six cameras in the
event that we had to defend ourselves. And during June
and July, the gang members slowly began to torture us
through intimidation, loud arguments, physical conflicts outside our door every night, vandalizing,
(11:26):
taking over vacant apartments on our floor, and after several
confrontations with the gang members, several calls and submitting video
evidence to the Aurora Police Department with no results, we
gave up trying to stop them from squatting on the property.
We spent the next few weeks looking for another rental,
(11:47):
and we were unable to locate another low income property
rental that didn't have the same exact issues that we
were facing every day.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And capitals show welcome back to the Dan Caplis show.
You got Will Kenny Shirres deve Reems setting in here today.
You know, we're talking a lot about illegal immigration, especially
in light of what kind of dropped last Friday, which
is the federal government filing a lawsuit against the State
of Colorado a complaint if you will, and let's see
here I believe it is. Sorry, I'm flipping through pages
(12:19):
twenty four pages long, which is interesting because at the
same time, the state of Colorado is debating a bill,
Senate Bill twenty five Dash two seventy six that is
basically reaffirming that we are a sanctuary state, that bill
being twenty nine pages long. So we're writing a law
in the state of Colorado. I say, we are illustrious
(12:41):
state legislators writing a law in Colorado to further codify
that we are a sanctuary state, all the while while
we're being sued by the federal government for being a
sanctuary state. You just can't make this stuff up. And
you know, I asked you guys, text in, call in,
tell me do you think Colorado is a sanctuary state.
That's kind of a rhetorical question. I mean, even if
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you're on the left I think you have to admit
at this point Colorado is a sanctuary state. But if
you got an argument the other way, I'd love to
hear that too. You can text in start your text
with Dan at five seven, seven, three nine, or call
in three oh three seven one three eight two five
y five. We had Eric on the line before we
went to break, and I don't think you want to
set through a commercial, so hopefully we'll call back in.
But regardless, you know, if you've got a comment you
(13:26):
want to make about where we're at with this state
of illegal immigration, bring it on. I'm sick of it.
I'm hoping that this lawsuit filed by the Trump administration
does start to reverse some of what we're seeing in
this state. You know, the allegations in here are spelled
out pretty pretty succinctly, and it starts with House Built
nineteen eleven, twenty four, which was kind of the tipping
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point for law enforcement and our ability to interact with
ice by essentially saying that we can't do that anymore,
we can't have a meaningful relationship as sheriffs and dealing
with how we're going to hand off a person who
has an immigration detainer because in the state of Colorado,
we just pretend like immigration detainers have no rule of law,
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and we're supposed to just let the illegals run out
the door the minute that they postponded or they finish
their time, even though there's an active want for them
by Ice or Immigration, if you will to send this
person back to where they came from. Some of the
texts here, This one is right on point. It says,
how about the fact that in the state of Colorado,
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as law enforcement officers, we aren't even allowed to ask
someone's legal status. That is the truth that could be pertinent,
That could be very meaningful in a criminal investigation, especially
if you're talking to someone and you want to find
out if they're a flight risk. You're not supposed to
ask them if they're here legally. A clarifying text for
the one that was sent in earlier, talking about windshield
(14:49):
cleaning on the corners, I said, I assume that's Denver, Aurora.
That text are sent back in says no, it's in Thornton,
not where I thought we would be talking about. Another
one here says this from Alexi. She says, I remember
the ICE agent Corey Vorhees enlightening us on how they
were prosecuting illegal immigrants only for agricultural trespassing. That goes
back to the comments from one of our callers about
(15:11):
Bill Ritter when he was the governor of the state
of Colorado. You know, we've just we've gone all over
the board here about you know, our stands in the
state of Colorado and what we're going to do to
uphold the citizens rights. Instead, we've we've leaned so far
over that we're we're just we're defending the illegals that
are here again, text in, call in. You can text
(15:32):
in at five seven, seven, three nine, start to text
that with Dan, or you can call in at three
oh three seven one, three eight two five five. But
when we started the show, I had Dick Wadhams on
a little bit of a change in gears here. I
asked Dick to come on because there's been a transition
in the in the Republican Party from the Dave Williams
chairmanship over to the Brita Horn chairmanship, and there's been
(15:52):
a little bit of a controversy about you know, hey,
is this party going to be able to redeem itself?
And some of the people that we're very big fans
of Dave have been texting me and through social media
saying that I'm attacking the guy, or that I'm going
after Dave Williams and his time in the chairmanship. I
never once said anything cross about Dave Williams. I haven't
(16:13):
said anything cross about him here. I think he had
every right to get paid as the chairman of the
Republican Party. I questioned, why wouldn't you just take that
as a payment to Dave Williams as a salary instead
of doing it to his consulting firm. But quite frankly,
there's probably a tax benefit in doing that, and I
don't really care. He had the right to take a payment.
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What I'm interested in is, okay, is it normal for
a chairman to spend down the funds before they turn
over the reins to a new person. We had Dick
Wadhams on to kind of explain, Hey, sometimes you actually
take over being in the hole. So what Dave's team
has done and setting the brit of Horn administration up
with some funds probably makes a lot of sense. So
(16:54):
we got just a couple of minutes, We'll get to
Scott here from glenn Dale he's got some questions on
gun rights, Scott, what do you got fors Yeah, yeah,
go for it.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
That's Scott.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Can I carry a.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Handgun in my car loaded?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Absolutely you can. But I will tell you that jurisdiction
by jurisdiction, there are some questions about whether or not
a municipality, a state locality could change the law individually
for that particular town or city. There was a change
in state law a couple I think a couple of
cycles ago that said, each each political subdivision can create
(17:34):
their own gun laws. They can ignore reciprocity. So the
question of that is you need to know where you're going.
In Well County, you're totally good. You can carry a
loaded gun in your car and be totally legal to
do so. I can't tell you that applies equally everywhere
in the state. But thanks for the call, Scott. Sorry
we're cutting a little short. We've got a hard break here.
If you're listening to the Dan Kaplis show here on
(17:55):
six point thirty k how with Well Kenny Sheriff Steve
Reims setting in on the driver's seat. We'll be back
right after the.
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You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show Podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Welcome back to the Dan Capless Show with well kind
of shaff Steve Raims on the line here filling in
for Dan. We're gonna try to get to a caller
here in just a second that's gonna give us some
clarification about the Dave Williams regime switch over to the
Britta Horn regime, and then we're just gonna put this
whole discussion to bad afterwards, because what I want to
(18:32):
do is get Republicans rowing in the right direction. And
we've had a lot of information come out from the
Dave Williams camp for the last two years that you know,
has been criticized from one side or the other. Now
we have the Brittahorn administration coming in to run the
Republican Party and we have some criticism there. And the
handoff of the funds from one group to the next
(18:53):
has been I guess questionable in the way that it's
been advertised out to the public as to where the
funds legit, where things spent the correct way, And when
I boiled down and look through the numbers, I can't
see that anything illegal was done. There was a question
of why Dave didn't just take a salary instead of
switching things over to his hit, his firm, his you know,
(19:16):
his side business, if you will. But quite frankly, there
was probably a tax break there. So to clear things up,
we have a gentleman who I don't think I've met
in person, but he was willing to come on the
show and say, hey, uh, here's kind of the facts
of the matter and set the record straight. He's the
former treasurer of the Republican Party for the state of Colorado.
His name is Tom b Orkland. Tom, thanks for coming
(19:38):
on with us, and your time is valuable, so we'll
try to make sure we stay on point.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Thanks Tom, Yeah, thanks for having me. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
You bet.
Speaker 11 (19:46):
So.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
There was an email set out by Bretta Horn and
her team I guess middle of last week. They kind
of just said, hey, here's the funds that we have.
I don't know if she was, you know, trying to
infer that the going outgoing administration hadn't done things completely
correct or if it was just a matter of you know,
people jumping to conclusions. But I think you prepared a
(20:08):
lot of the information that ended up in that email,
So can you just tell us, hey, you know, here
here's the way things ended, here's what here's the work
you did while you were in that seat. And I
know you had to do a lot of work. You're
a professional accountant from what I can tell. So just
tell us where we're really at, if you would.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Yeah, so I I well, first of all, to set
the state the you know, there's there's more factions within
the Republican.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Party, no doubt about that.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Yeah, so bridges on, you know, apparently one of the sides.
And I wouldn't even say there's two sides. There's probably
three or four factions within the within the party, and
at various times they.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Uh, you know, get together.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
But the you know, my my experience as a as
a measure for multiple campaigns, you know, goes all the
way back to twenty ten when I was a treasurer
for Compent Credo's campaign for the governor when he ran
under the American Constitution Party. So and then interestingly enough,
I was the treasurer for dave opponent when Dave ran
(21:16):
for chairman and his opponent Eric Odland, and I endorsed Erek,
and to my surprise, Dave asked me to join his
you know, join the Colorado rebooking parties scheme, and so
you know, I came on board with with Dave and
really just working with Dave, I mean he was a
(21:39):
consumer professional, just like with Eric. I mean, their management
styles were very similar. He let me do my job,
he oversaw things, and you know, he actually wasn't a
signer on the account. A lot of chair chair people
don't like to be signers because they don't want to
be implicated if there's.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Anything wrong, you know.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
So but but Dave was, you know, he was a
he was a pro. So he kind of left things
up to me to handle. And you know, and then
all these during these internal battles, people started accusing him of,
you know, literally stealing money. We had one of our
(22:19):
elected people from the from the party had accused him
of stealing money, and they asked me to clarify it,
and you know, and I wasn't even in on the
whole conversation, and they kind of roped me in and said, hey, Tom,
you know there's I'm being accused of stealing money. Will
you what do you have to say? And I told Aranda,
(22:41):
she's not even having a bank account, so hard.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
To steal something you don't have access to right.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Yeah, right, and so uh and and then she said, uh,
you know you must be in on it then. So
that was the beginning all this questioning of the finances,
and you know, it was a to the shock and so,
you know, it just looks like it's a continuation with
with with Bretta Horn. This is one faction trying to
(23:08):
make the other faction look bad. And you know, it's
there's reality and then there's politics. Unfortunately, that's that's where
we're at. And then she sends out this email and
you know the beginning of that is we we met
on Friday, the the fourth of April. We met and
(23:31):
she had her attorney there and uh, the young guy
that are asking to be the you know, the office guy,
the the executive director, I guess, and and Britta was
there and and they brought in this man named Michael
Wheeler who is going to be the treasurer. And so
they introduced me to Michael. Michael was you know, we'd
(23:54):
had have some interactions before and you know, he wasn't
a friendly skuy in the past, but he was very
professional and friendly and this meeting and you know, we
just talked about how we were going to turn over
the books and he lives an Eagle and I am
Grant Junction, so you know, it went by Eagle and
dropped off the check books to him. We went down
(24:15):
to sign all the paperwork and get that, get the
ball rolling, and you know, turn everything over. So it
takes you know, it takes a good month to turn
over things because there's a lot of moving parts with
the party. So to me, kind of being the last
guy out the door, that kind of fell on me
to do.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
So do you feel comfortable that the books that you
handed over to Britta and her team are as accurate
as can possibly be? I mean, do you believe those
are beyond reproach? I'm kind of putting you on the spot,
but you're the guy that prepared him, So what's your opinion?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Well, I mean, you know, I'm I am the guy
that prepared the last for the last few years. But
that's you know, as far as the book's being perfect,
they're other or not. And I was very upfront when
I came into the meeting and I told them that
we've been working on a discrepancy between the cash on
hand between what they've been reporting to the FBC and
(25:13):
what was actually in the bank and it was off
by you know, six figures, and Michael asked me to
put a number on it, and I said, well, you know,
the more I dig, the worst kids, because you know,
I'm planning errors or omissions or whatever. And as we
as we reconcile those internally, the number is getting worse,
(25:34):
not getting better. And I was really hoping to help
fix that problem of that discrepancy. And so he asked
me to put a number on it, and I said, well,
you know, I don't have all the details yet because
this stills back years. It goes back before the administration,
before days. Yeah, And that that came from the Mike
(25:56):
McCauley was the guy who was filing their books. He's
the CPA out of Utah, and and I had when
we had taken over, when Dave took over. I emailed
them and they said, hey, these books appear to be
off by about one hundred thousand dollars. And he said,
give me a call. And so he told me, you know,
it's actually ninety five thousand and the you know, and
(26:20):
I had been working on it, is what he said.
And I didn't quite understand what he meant by that,
but as I looked through the books, I kind of
realized that it appeared that they were understating expenditures and
or excuse the overstating expenditures which then would get reported
and reduce that total and over in the midst and
(26:42):
deposits and things and show.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
So as I looked and did you know if I
was going to repair that, it was gone to actually
that discrepancy was going to get bigger. So I mentioned
that to to Britta and I and you know, in
her team. I just want to let them know heads up,
you know, this is you know, full disclosure there. The
books don't balance, at least on the federal side, and
(27:06):
this is why. And you know, we we were aware
of it. I reported it as soon as I found
out about it. I reported it to the Federal Election Commission,
that the books didn't balance. There were still incoming checks
and things, so I didn't have the total of where
the balance was off because frankly, we didn't get any
books when when I took over. All they did was
(27:29):
they gave the code and the Dore code, and there
was you know, there were two shredders in the middle
of the rooms, little pieces of paper all over the place,
so we you know, we didn't get any books, so
I had to kind of recreate things from bank balances
and public records and.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Try to not the best not the best way of
doing business. Well, Tom, we could probably talk about this
for days, but I think at this point I feel
safe and kind of summarizing. You did the best you
could to clean up the mess that you were given,
and it sounds like you feel pretty confident that you've
handed things off in as best condition as possible to
this new administration. Look, I appreciate you being on. I
(28:07):
know that you know it's hard to come on and
try to explain financials on a radio show, But at
this point, I think it's important for all these factions
to just move forward and say, let's get Republicans elected.
I think you could probably agree with me on that. Correct.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Well, yeah, I mean it would be good, but I'd
like to see the discrepancy fix and I'm sure the
federal election to mission.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely so.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
But but you know, I've heard interviews, you know, in
great alls and said she's only going to look at
the two years and she's calling well political audit. She's
turning over the books to the people who actually did
Dave's opponents books for the primary, okay, and so in
those that's going to be who does the forensic audit,
(28:53):
And you know she's named air quotes forensic gotit. You know,
forensic audit is really what they need in order to
find that money. And I'm I'm all for a forensic
on it, but I'm not in favor of a political audit.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Gotcha.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Where they're out, they're just trying to find something that
they can pin on Dave, or maybe there's an error
or some numbers got transposer, who knows what?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
You know?
Speaker 4 (29:12):
If they find something, and then they make them out
and out of amolele and try to try to distract
from the bigger issue, which is there somewhere.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Tom. I appreciate you coming on. We got a hard
break to go to, but thanks for thanks for educating us. Again.
You're listening to the Dan Caplea Show here on six
thirty KM and.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
Now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Welcome back to the Dan Kapla Show and our final
segment here of hour two. Ben just flies by every
time I get to host this show. But speaking of
flying by, we had a couple of callers that waded
through that last segment, so I want to get to
them right away. We got Paul from Arvada.
Speaker 12 (29:50):
Paul, how you doing, Hey, I'm doing great, misaffronoon, Hey,
thank you for your service.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (29:58):
So, yes, I believe call it I was a sanctuary state.
And one piece of evidence is that I believe our
legislatures legislators are more interested in defending illegal immigrants than
they are in helping our own students.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I can tell you they certainly don't help law enforcement either.
They hate us, I bet so.
Speaker 12 (30:21):
Specifically, last year, House built twenty four to twelve sixteen
is the Justice Engaged Students Bill of Rights, and it
is a great bill with one huge law, and that
is that it was not funded. So there's absolutely zero
dollars allocated by our legislators. So that students who get
(30:42):
justice engaged, which means involved with the law in some way,
shape or form, they should have a hotline that they
can call and get help, whether that means legal help,
family support, graduation plan, whatever. And so I would just
encourage folks to contact their states senators and representatives and
(31:05):
say fund HVA twenty four or twelve sixteen.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
All right, great, thanks for calling in, Paul, and thanks
for holding through that last segment. We'll get to Hunter
and Larimer County. You got a question about traffic science.
Hopefully I can answer that.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (31:18):
Sure.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
Have you noticed that when you're entering the highway, I'll
just use I twenty five, that the yield signs have
been removed and people think that the oncoming traffic is
supposed to yield to the people coming onto the highway
because it's really getting kind of dangerous. I'm in Larimer County.
If I was going to say alt or something up
(31:40):
in Well County and I was taking thirty four east,
I'd have a hard time getting off the highway because
the people getting on the highway at thirty four are
preventing us from descending down into that curve to go
on to thirty four.
Speaker 12 (31:57):
But it's all over.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
I twenty five. There are no yield signs. They've removed them.
So do we not have to yield anymore?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
You still have to yield, but I guess signage is
just optional in the state of Colorado anymore. My assumption
is those signs have probably been taken out during construction
or whatever. And they just thought, well, this is a
cost saving move. Everybody's supposed to know what the rules
of the road were, so we just won't put the
sign back up.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
I don't know, there isn't any anywhere on the highway.
And you know, next time you drive on the interstate,
just look, you'll see there are no yield signs.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Well, unfortunately, I'm going to have a long drive going
back to Weld County. But fortunately the ends in Weld County.
I'll take a look at every one of the entrants
and exits off of you.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
I'd love to have it here a comment sometime from
you on that, because you know, people don't yield to
get on the highway. They expect you to slow down
and let them on, or change lanes or something.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Run into it all. Yeah, I see it all the time,
now that you mentioned it, I just never noticed the
absence of the yield signs. But I'll keep my eyes
out and I'm sure the callers and listeners will also,
So Hunter, thanks for calling in appreciate it. So when
we finished that last segment, you know there are a
few texts have rolled in Alexi, says Sheriff Rames. Theoretically,
the easiest account to reconcile should be cash. So disappointing.
(33:12):
I'd love to see a forensic got it. And I
think that's, you know, that's what Britta Horn's been been
suggesting that she's going to do. But when we had
Tom on Tom YORKLND, he mentioned that some of this
stuff may have been a carryover all the way back
to the Ryan Call administration. I just want to encourage people,
if you haven't been that involved in politics, if you
(33:34):
google Ryan Call Colorado, one of the first articles that
comes up is out of the out of Colorado politics.
It's Ernest Lunning, says ex Colorado GOP chairman Ryan Called
disbarred over mishandling funds at pro Trump pack. So go figure.
You know, now we're in a place where six years,
eight years later, there's still a question about where some
(33:55):
funding is and how long that's carried over. Not a
good look for the Republicans. But at this point, I
think you got to bury this hatchet, try to figure
out how to reconcile the books and move forward. So
it's been a pleasure fill it in for Dan. Here
on a Monday, a windy, cold looking monday, out the
window have a safe drive home if you're leaving going
that way, just like I am. And again this is
(34:16):
well Kenny Sheriff Steve Reens setting in for Dan Caplis here.
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