George Brauchler on Law & Order with Police Chief Jack Cauley and Chief Deputy DA Danielle Jamarillo
August 20, 2025 • 35 mins
In the second hour of today's show, George Brauchler looks at Colorado's lawlessness with two law professionals.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast edition
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Well, folks, disappointing for many of you out there, these
are not the sultry tones of one Daniel J.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Caplis. Instead, it is I or is it me? Is
it thou? Whatever?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
George Brockler filling in here on six point thirty Khow for.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Those of you that have never heard me.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
On the radio, either on my own show at another
station or as a fill in, I know what.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
You're used to.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You're used to someone coming in and becomes a bit underwhelming.
You think to yourself, Man, I'm used to the guy
with all the knowledge and the sense of the humor
and stuff like that. Who is this dry bag of
rice on the radio. If that's how you feel, you're
going to feel right at home over the next two
hours here, because that's what.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I bring to the table.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Now listen, I am currently and I say currently because
you never know when there's going to be an indictment
or the attorney regulation Council pulls away your license to
practice law. But I'm currently the elected district attorney for
the mighty twenty third Judicial District that comprises Douglas, Elbert,
and Lincoln Counties. You may not know the names, but
you know them as the safest place in the metro area.
(01:22):
As you're driving southbound on I twenty five, when you
sigh relief as you crossover county line before you hit
the other county line, that's where we are. We're in
Douglas County.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I am going to have on.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
The show today a couple different people. They're going to
help describe some of the stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
That we do.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
And this I think is really the opportunity when you
have the DA on is you get access to folks
and you can talk about things that sometimes it requires
a Steve Reims or someone else in the game to
be able to have these conversations. But we're going to
have on a super chief, a police guy named Jack Cowley.
He's the chief for the Cashwrock Police Department, who are
killing it out there. You know, when I talk about
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crime fighting, maybe using the phrase killing it.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Not as awesome as I thought.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
But nonetheless, thank you Kelly k has just brought me
my special medicine in a can. But we're going to
talk about some of the great stuff that they've done.
We had a huge case Ryan had us on to
talk about it back when involving a dui homicide that
they did such a good job on and we got
such aggressive on that we convinced the jerry to say
(02:27):
no instead, it's first degree murder and so that was great.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
We'll have Jack on and.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Then that's the coming up like four ten ish, and
then at the bottom of the hour we're going to
have on Chief Deputy District Attorney Danielle Haramio. She is
my chief of a couple different parts of the office.
One is domestic violence and one are the Crimes against
Children or the Special Victims Unit Crimes. We've combined those
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together to make them the Family Violence Unit. She and
her team and she goes to trial all the time.
She may be one of the most trial go in
chief deputies in the Metro area. But she had a
huge victory just I believe last week on a big
case I want to talk about too, because this becomes
a recurring issue. And then in the five o'clock hour
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we'll be joined maybe earlier than that, will be joined
by another member of the media, not the mainstream media,
more like a tiny tributary part of the media.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
But his name is Jeff and he is one of.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
The editors on a super paper out there in Douglas County,
and we'll have him in to talk about that and
get his reaction to something else. Because folks, if you
have not yet had the opportunity to go online anywhere
in social media, but for me, it was x slash
Twitter and avail yourself of a video of a current
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and I say that with an asterisk question mark a
current Rhode Island Attorney General special Assistant Attorney General and
her contact with the Newport, Rhode Island Police. You have
to go do this because we're gonna end up talking
about it. We got some clips from it. It is
for me, and maybe it's just because I'm in the game.
It is for me one of the most entertaining videos
(04:13):
I've seen in a long time, and it reminds me
of Ran.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Do you know what a demotivational slide is?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
You know the motivational slides that you get like it's
an eagle flying around and yeah, yeah, and it says,
like dreams the wings of all the very positive. There's
demotivational slides. Have those because they're awesome, and you've got
to go look it up. And so there's a demotivational
slide called Mistakes, and it's again a majestic picture of
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a ship sinking, and the little caption underneath is it
could be that the purpose of your life is only
to serve as a warning to others, and that is
this video clip. I'm telling you, this is exactly what
not to do in this circumstance right here. The other
thing that we're gonna do is, as soon as I
figure out where all the numbers are, we're going to
(05:02):
take your phone calls at and then nine zero three
seven one three eight two five five three zero three
seven one three eighty two fifty five f FM, thank you.
And then we also have the text line at nine.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
One one help. What's it correct? It's five seven seven
three nine Start them Dan, five seven seven three nine
star Dan.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Start the text with Start the text with Dan, and
go into your bucket and let me tell you how
this works. Because here we already have a text it
says Dan, No matter what you need to because otherwise
it won't it won't get to us. But it says
Dan Comma, George, I love it when you're on far
from a quote bag of rice, or if at all possible,
make sure Ryan is included.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Right here, he's right there.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I recall some very entertaining moments with you guys when
you filled in DK and Broomfield.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Now, Ryan, that's true. There was a time back.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Before you got all super successful and professional and stuff
where we had even talked about the idea of do
we approach these.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Oaks with the Ryan and George show.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
This is a true story would have been George and Ryan,
so we could have alternated it.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Throughout the week. Now you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
I would feel very comfortable is kind of the counterpoint
and counterpart to you in that program. And yeah, it
would be a lot of fun and it has been
in the past and it will be today.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, I think this is going to be fantastic.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Now we're expecting to call Chief of Police Jack Cauley here.
I think I texted the number to Kelly on her
special dancing text phone number.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
No, I see, Yeah, we'll make it work. Yeah, I
imagine that's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Here's what's going on in Castle Rock, and we're going
to talk to Chief Colly about this. These folks have
figured out a way to start driving crime down through
a combination of something called one by one policing, which
is to be distinguished from some of the other metro
areas where they have one on one policing that's far,
far more questionable. But they've also got technology, Like nobody business.
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These guys have almost functionally eliminated Oh my gosh, the
AG thing is on Fox News right now.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
It's that good.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, they've almost eliminated motor vehicle theft because of the
way they've approached and we'll talk about how they do
it the way they've approached certain things. They've also got
technology now where they have to be able to respond
to those biggest.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Of the big kind of crimes where you.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Need to have that extra piece of technology and resource.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Drones.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Man, these guys have drones that launch off of the
roof of the police department to go, like if there's
an officer involved shooting, or there's some kind of a
horrible situation, maybe even some mash up on the road.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
These guys have.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
The ability to provide the opportunity to give law enforcement
that extra look that will help them to respond in
a quicker and more safe manner. That's the kind of
thing that you want to see out of your local
law enforcement. And all of it is really the product
of the leadership of Jack Coley, who's also a big
pella ton guy. And we can rib him about that
when he when he makes it under the radio, is
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he on right now?
Speaker 5 (08:04):
Is out?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
The flashing light means, oh no, The flashing light means
we have a call.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
That's pull bold win in Denver. Okay, offfee talk. And
since we're doing this.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
While we're live on air, Ryan, when's the part where
you whisper get off the radio?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Well, that would be coming in about one minute okay,
fifteen and forty five of the floating breaks for our
listeners out there, and we have hard outs at the
bottom of the hour in the top of the.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Ar that's a really awkward phrase to repeat.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
But if I take Paul, I don't want to do
Paul a disservice and only take him for like forty
five seconds.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Call that pulling a dan. That is kind of what
we have called it.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
We stopped it.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
If I may oh wow, Paul, if you could just
stay with us over the break, Sorry about that.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Don't want to short shript you.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
We can get Collie on at four thirty if that works.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
No, we can't because we have Daniel Harramio on. We
were going to have a calling on at four to ten.
He's been waiting for our call.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Oh no, what about right after this break? Yeah, yeah,
let's do that. Paul.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You can hang on my man or call back. We
will get you on in the show. I just don't
want to take you and say Hi, Paul, hang on
by I don't want to do that. So let's cut
away for a break here in this floating fifteen because
nobody wants a heart out whatever that means.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
That's a radio term.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Nobody wants that, not without the appropriate lubricant. Anyway, We're
going to come back with Chief of Police for the
Castle Rock Police Department.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
His name is Jack Coley.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
He's a buddy, a colleague and a fantastic law enforcer.
Until that time, it's George Brockler filling in for the
Mighty Dan Caplis on The Dan Kapla Show six thirty khow.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Fight for his clients and all that other good stuff.
There is a number one safest suburb in the state
of Colorado and the only city to make the top
one hundred nationally.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
It's called Castle Rock.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I live just outside Castle Rock in a place called
Castle Pines, but I do all my business out.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Of the courthouse right there.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's safe for a number of reasons, but none more
than our next guest. His name is Jack Cowley. He's
the chief of police for Castle Rocks. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Welcome, George, be glad to be with you.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
How long you've been the chief out.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
There, Jack and Jay? Fourteen years?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
How are you doing this? Man?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I mean people that are listening in and especially outside
of the twenty third Judicial District may be experiencing some
slight downturn and crime here and there, but nothing like
what we've seen out of you guys.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
How are you doing it?
Speaker 7 (10:41):
Well?
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Really, it's we've kind of identified three areas, and you know,
it's people, innovation, and community. And the people part of
it is the people with our organization within the cast
Rock Police Department. It's just creating a positive work climate
for them and a good culture, giving them the tools
they need. To thrive and you know, make sure they're supported.
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And then the innovation part is having an innovative mindset
so that we were always looking at how we can
best serve the community using the best technology that's out there,
but just try new things and not being afraid to innovate,
which means it's okay to try an idea and if
it doesn't work, that's okay, we'll go back and try
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something else. And then finally the community you have to
engage for the community, have community support and because we
can't do this without them, right, we can't do this
without everybody out there. We have about eighty seven thousand
people that live in Counsel Rock, about one hundred and
six officers, and we can't do that with the hundred
and six officers. We need eighty seven thousand people helping
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us be the eyes and the ears and the support
and the partnerships.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
One of the things that I've always been impressed with
by a chief, and you chief in Castle Rock when
I was DA the first time for the bigger eighteen
judicial district, is you don't treat this like, hey, I
already know all the right things to do, just innately
or because of my own background. You study and read
and try to get in front of all the not
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just I hate the term best practices, but things like
that and leadership stuff. And in fact, in particular, you
talked about a book to me called leaders Eat Last
and things like that, talk about how you approach leadership
and how you translate these things that you're finding out
in the world and applying them to the police department setting.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Yeah, so you know, leadership is all about people, and
you know as leaders as a chief of police, it's
really my role to insert those that are are working
with me are provided what they need so that they
can you know, thrive in their wals and that when
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they can do that, then we know that we have
a whole team of people that are thriving and collectively
we're better off and we're better as a team than
we are as one person. Because I don't have all
the answers, but it's so important to create that culture
of support and being people centric and listening. Listening is huge.
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But I do look out outside of policing. I think
it's important to not only look with in our profession,
but look outside our profession and find out what is
the private sector doing that we can learn from. And
you know you mentioned leaders eat last. Another book is
The Infinite Game, and Simon Senek is the author of
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a book of those books, and I consider him a
friend and a mentor and have learned a lot from
Simon on leadership and how to build you know, effective teams.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
So I think there's we're talking with Castle Rock Chief
of Police, Jack call it. I think this is something
I want to take over to the DA's office right now.
I have an approach that says, don't look at me
in the eye, don't talk unless I address you directly,
and it hasn't really had the same positive impact.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I think your approach has taken. I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Let me talk to you about the technology, Jack, because
this is something where I think you have started to
separate yourself from some of the other law enforcement agencies
out there. And maybe that's not the right way to
put it. You have led the way on some of
the stuff. Talk about what you guys do.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Well. As I mentioned before, you know, one of our
pillars is innovation, and we're always looking for, you know,
the next piece of technology that can help us be
as effective as possible. So you know, for example, you know,
we we implemented body worn cameras back in twenty and sixteen,
you know, well before it was mandated by the state,
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because we knew it was the right thing to do
and we wanted to implement it as soon as we could.
One piece of implementing technology is truly building a culture
of innovation, because you know how police officers are. Sometimes
they don't want to embrace the newest thing. But what
we've done here is our police officers know that they
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expect it. They want to be part of being first
in technology, so they embraced the next thing and they
bring ideas to us. But what we're doing right now
is we just implemented a thrones for first Responder program.
And so what we're doing is that we are launching
a drone from a building in town and flying it
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to culture service and that can be a critical incident.
It could be a lost child or anything, and so
we're able to get there within a couple of minutes
and get eyes on and see that information back to
dispatch and to the officers they're responding. That's the type
of thing that we're doing is ensuring that the tools
that are given our officers that only keep them safe,
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but helped keep our communities.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Have you had any success stories with that yet? And
before you asked, let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
We get these texts that come in here it says Georgia,
I'm a lifelong resident of Douglas County. I feel very
blessed to have Sheriff Weekly and Chief Jack on the job.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
So nice work. Have you had any success stories with
the drone?
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Yes, we had. We just started it on Friday and
we actually within about thirty minutes of starting at we
were able to fly the drone over to the outlets
and to the outlets area, the promenade area and located
some individuals who had committed an ordvice retail crime theft
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at one of the retailer shops over there, and support
the police officers on the ground, so we were able
to do that. We apprehended those individuals and arrested them
and took them to jail.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I love that story, as you know, And since you
brought it up, what have you done and really what
have we done to try to send a message to
the retail community that we're not like these other places here,
We're going to hold people accountable for coming in and
victimizing us.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Well, I think that one of the things that we've
done and is partner with the retailers. But as you know,
we together your office and our office hosted a organized
retail crime summit with retailers within Douglas County and we
wanted them to know and to hear from us specifically
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that if you commit a crime. You know, if somebody
comes into their retail shop and commits a crime, we
whether it's the Catchlock Police Department or the Douglas cars
County Sheriff's Office or parkerpe d or Loan Tree, we
will respond and we will arrest the individual and we
will take them to jail and hand them over to
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your office to be prosecuted. So that message is clear.
And I can tell you that since we had that meeting,
the calls that we received from the retailers that actually increased.
And what they're now is they're calling us prior to
if that's actually taking place in saying, hey, this is
somebody who just entered our establishment. We know that they've
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stolen from us before, they're acting suspicious, could you please
send a police officer. Great and we've had some great
success here just in the last months.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Of that, buddy.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I love that. Chief.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I want to thank you again for having such a
great organization out there. You guys produce great cases that
make it easy for us to prosecute. I will see
you back out there on the road. Hey, that is
Chief Jack calling from the Castle Rock Police Department. When
we come back, it's more crime, more law enforcement with
Chief Deputy District Attorney Danielle Harmeio. My name is George Brockler,
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filling in for the Mighty Dan Caplis on the Dan
Kaplas Show.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
You're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
We're filling in for dant Capitalist on the Fantastic Dan
Kaplis Show. If you think there is an uptick in
the number of people who are in positions of trust
of our children trying to take advantage of them for
their own sexual purposes, you're in good company, man, because
that's what.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I think too.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Our office vigorously aggressively pursues those people who see our
kids as romantic opportunities. And I wanted to have on
the show to talk about a big victory that we
had in court just last week. Her name is daniel Harameo.
She is the chief Deputy district attorney over the family
violence unit. Danielle, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
Yeah, of course, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Look, if we had more time, I would tell people
why your name is actually pronounced Jaramillo instead of Harrameo,
But we just don't have time for that right now.
On the show, could you do us a favor first
off and talk about in general, what the breadth of
the crimes that we're seeing occur involving people in positions
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of trust, What kinds of achie patients, who are they
targeting that kind of thing.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
Yeah, of course, So I would say that the number
one time that we have a position of trust charge,
it's a parent or a step parent of the child.
But when we're talking about people outside the family, we
are seeing teachers, we are seeing coaches. Those are the
main two that we have seemed to have a lot
of over the last couple of years that we're charging.
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But there are church leaders too, just that one is
more rare that we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Now, you had another big victory in court, and I
told people before in the lead up, I'm sure you
didn't hear this, that you've got to be one of
the most trial going chief Deputies in the Metro area.
You and your team are constantly in trial, more than
any other part of the office. But there's a guy
named Aaron Carado that you guys tuned up in front
of a jury last week.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Talk about what that case was.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
Yeah, So that was a case that involved a man
who owned a gym called the Strength of Life Jim,
and he would train athletes, and very specifically, he trained
a lot of high school athletes. In our case, they
were two female Junior Olympic level female high school athletes,
a fifteen year old and a sixteen year old that
he trained during various times from twenty nineteen to twenty
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twenty one. And during that time period he sexually assaulted
both of those girls multiple times.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Now, in this particular case, how do we come to
know about it so that you and the investigations team
can start putting together this case against this guy.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
Yeah. So this one actually was discovered by his wife.
This man had been married for sixteen years to a woman.
They had three children that they had raised together who
they had adopted at various stages, and so she believed
she was in a loving, lifelong, really long term relationship,
and then she found out, which he believed was that
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he was cheating on her. She found out that he
had some applications on his phone that he had said
he didn't have Snapchat, Instagram. After that, she kind of
began to dig because she was wondering what could mess
up her sixteen year marriage, and her and her then
adult son started to dig and they were able to
discover that it was actually a fifteen year old that
he was having thousands of minutes of communication with over
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a ten day period, and then they found out over
a six month period many more so she ended up
contacting police reporting that kind of had to push police
to believe her that this wasn't some just like scorned woman,
and she pushed police to really go out there and
find out who this girl was. And then after they
interviewed the female, the victim, she disclosed the abuse that
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had been going on for about eight months to her.
And then through more investigation, the wife ended up finding
a note that the defendant had written where he basically
eventually confessed to wanting to marry another name who she
then began to look into, and that girl was also
had been a high school athlete that had trained with
him years prior, so it was actually all the discovery
of his wife, who thought that he was a great
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person and learned that he had been hiding this three years.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
In the context of this specific case, but also broader
when you see these things, how are these and I
want to say that it's all dudes, but you and
I both know that's not true.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
There are women involved in this too.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
How do they approach these these would be victims in
their teens.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
Yeah, so that's almost the scariest part when we're talking
about people that are not familial in positions of trust,
because for these situations, these two fathers very specifically were
actually very overprotective fathers. They would go to their kids
training sessions, and this was weightlifting training sessions, and they
would actually stay there for weeks. They went and they
would stay at these sessions for two hours watching a
coach train in weightlifting, which for a high school athlete,
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I don't. I think a lot of people would just
drop their kids off and leave, but they actually remained.
It was only after weeks of seeing this happening in
him praying with their kids and then thinking, ohly the
great guy, that they began to then leave. During the
practices and did.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
You sick the girls?
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Did you say praying with the kids?
Speaker 7 (23:59):
Correct, he would pray and like do prayer sessions during these.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Lore while he was praying on he would pray with
them exactly.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
So he began to get their phone numbers. And that's
actually what we're seeing a lot of predatory behavior with phones,
with Snapchat, with Instagram. He started adding them on these
applications and that's really how the flirting began at the
beginning of these things. And you really prayed upon these girls.
And one of them, I'm the most recent victim, was
in a really vulnerable stay at school. She's ben being
bullied at school. She felt like really had nobody to
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turn to, and she seemed to be listening to her.
And so you know these people the phones. I think
monitoring phones of your kids' phones is super super important.
Not allowing these applications that allow things to disappear or
to hide. To me, that is like the number one
thing parents need to be doing. Even if you think
all my kids aren't going to think I don't trust them, well,
it's not them, it's the people that are trying.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
To pray on them.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
We're talking with Chief Deputy District Attorney Daniel Harmio from
maybe the best DA's office on the planet.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I don't know yet.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
The jury is still out, but it's up there talking
about this case where she got a great conviction against
Aaron Carado. The evidence was pretty overwhelming. Why did this
go to trial? And what was the defense that they
tried to run in front of the jury.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
Yeah, So this guy was able to make bond very
early on in the case, and so he had been
out of custody. So any offer that told him he
had to go back to prison, he was just unwilling
to really listen to. And so we had given him
an offer that included decades of prison that he just
simply wasn't interested. And once he ended up violating that
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bond and being taken back into custody, they started wanting
some sort of an offer, But again, he just really
believed that we were out to get him. I listened
to jail calls where he's saying that, you know, I'm
going hard on him and even murderers on getting this
amount of time. So I don't know what these inmates
were talking to with him about, but he believed that,
like I was, somehow corrupt in going out after him specifically.
(25:57):
So he really was just refusing to take any sort
of an offer that contained a prison number. Keep in
mind that any prison number we would give him, he
wouldn't have to serve a lot of that time, like
it could actually sometimes be cut down to only a
third of that time where he would serve. And so
he was just unwilling.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Though, to accept that responsibility.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Well, this is crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
So he goes to trial and the defense tries to
push a defense of what outside of claiming that you're
corrupt and all this other stuff.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
Yeah, so the defense attorney, I will tell you, I
think had a really hard time because the defenses that
his client wanted him to run were things that weren't
true defenses to these sources of offenses. So he wanted
his attorney to run some sort of a defense like
his ex wife was just out to get him, which
you know, the evidence was overwhelming that that was not
what happened. He wanted to run that you know, this
(26:44):
this girl was going after him and that she was
manipulating him the second victim, and that he was being
manipulated into staying with her and being in a relationship
with her. Keep in mind that was all after the
fact that most of the sexual assaults had already occurred,
if there was a number that had happened. For that,
so he wanted his defense a journey to run things
that weren't legal defenses.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
And so here's this for me.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
Essentially, want with make them meet their burden, make sure
that they have beyond a reasonable doubt, and here are
all the reasons why there's some reasonable doubt. Obviously, the
jury did not buy that, and they ended up convicting
him pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Now, discharge, when somebody in a position of trust goes
after a teenager that's in the appropriate age range, there
first talk about that and then what are the potential
penalties what in fact, what are the maximum penalties that exist.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
Yeah, so in Colorado there's two different types of charges
for sexual assault against a child. If there's not in
a position of trust, it's under the age of fifteen,
so it's only fourteen or under. But when we are
talking about a position of trust, it's actually anyone under
the age of eighteen. So because this victim was fifteen
and the other one was sixteen, that fit within the
position of trust. Crown with that because he perpetrated this
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as a pattern of abuse, which means that happened more
than once with each victim. Each count for sex default
on a child that he was convicted of comes with
a potential penalty of eight years to life to thirty
two years or excuse to twenty four years to life,
So any count could be between eight to twenty four
years to life.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
A judge could.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
Run them concurrently which means that they run all at
the same time, or consecutivetivily, which means they would run
all on top of each other, one compounding each other.
He was also convicted of some assaults that you did
on one of our victims third degree of fault, as
well as he was convicted of a forcible sex asault.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
So in this particular case, what you added all up?
What's the max? What's this guy looking at.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Talking at anywhere between eight years to life to about
one hundred and fifty years to life.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Good lord, Now, But here's the kicker.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
And I don't know that people understand this but for
the pattern, but for the multiple acts, could this guy
get probation for what he did?
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (28:56):
So if he had only done it one time to
each victim, he could have gotten probation even the rape
that was he did forcible rape without consent, even that
one is a probation eligible offense, where he could only
receive potentially probation on that sort of a crime that
was only because each victim had more than one time
that happened to them. Is that there's any sort of
mandatory prison.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Component For folks listening to you may remember that our
Democrat led legislature in the House Judiciary Committe last year
killed a bill that would have given the promise of
prison to child rapists. Danielle was there until midnight or
twelve thirty or something, testifying like a champ on this
before it got defeated. I just want to say thank
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you for the great work that you and your team do.
Fantastic win will have. We'll keep having you on by
the ways you guys continue to rack up the victories.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
That sounds great. And also, interestingly enough, the ex wife
of our defendant also testified for that bill at about
one thirty eight. Really she was also involved in that,
which is interesting. But thank you for having me on.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I really appreciate that. That's Danielle Harramio.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
She is a chief deputy District attorney in the best
d MDAs office in this price range. When we come back,
we'll take your calls at three h three seven one
three eighty two fifty five.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Is prohibition ever eligible for a child rapist or someone who.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Prays on the kids? Five seven seven three nine. You
guys have been using the text line keep it going.
George Brockler filling in for the mighty Dan Caplis on
the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
And now back to the Dankaplass Show podcast and capitalis
I'm a Dan Capla show.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
That right there Phil Collins, whose music kind of was
almost like the soundtrack to portions of my high school
and college career.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
That missed that dude doing live stuff and all that.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
His daughter, of course, plays the lead character in Emily
in Paris. And now that I've said that out loud,
I regret sharing that fact with you.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Did I know that? Does your son know that?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
You know that he does now because he is in
studio with us right now.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
His name is Jeff. He is a member of the media.
He is an editor.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
That's a big time title with it comes with a
big time paycheck for his high school paper.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
What's it called the Washington Post.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
What is it? Uh?
Speaker 6 (31:12):
No, So, I'm an editor for Rock Media.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
I go to Rock Canyon High School and uh, I
don't know.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
I do a lot of.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
News stuff there, like reporting, and I also do a
podcast up but you know, I don't.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Get paid for it. So what it's out of the
goodness of my heart.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Wait a minute, you'd get nothing for that, and I
pay you for the lawn. Yeah, what's that about?
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Well, I mean, you know, uh, you asked me to
do the lawn. I do the newspaper out of you know,
enjoyment of it.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Oh that's great, Thank you for that, Jeff, big question here.
You guys have done recordings before as part of Rock Media.
It wasn't like anything when I was in high school.
You guys do a podcast. What's it called?
Speaker 7 (31:50):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (31:51):
So, I do a podcast about kind of like recent
gaming news.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
It's called the Glitch Podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Uh yeah, and tell me about what recent gaming news?
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Is that like betting on OTB or something like that.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
It's like, so, you know, every week or two we
basically like take notes about what's going on in the
kind of gaming media landscape or whatever, you know, like
new game releases or controversies. And things like that, and
then me and my two friends Jackson Bond and Evan Jensen,
we go into the studio and we just kind of
talk about it for however long we need to to
(32:25):
get everything out.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, so you're not limited by time, no, although we
want to keep it shorter.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
But we've had like episodes in the fifty minutes.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Is this number one on Apple podcasts?
Speaker 6 (32:35):
I don't know how to post Apple podcasts.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
That sounds like a Yes, you have four purposes of
being in high school journalism and this is actually topical
at this at this adult level too. Do you guys
get classes or training on things like ethics, being unbiased
that kind of thing.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
Not really, I mean what we're told.
Speaker 8 (32:59):
In our is to stick the facts basically. You know,
when we go do reporting, we make sure to get
as many interviews as possible, make sure to get everything
that's important to the story. Let's say we go to
like a football game. You know, we record the score
and then we interview players on mostly our side, but sometimes.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
On the other side.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
We also take pictures and things like that, and we
stick to what we can. Now we can't just like
come up with information and if we're doing like an
editorial or an opinion piece. We always make sure to
cite our sources and make sure that everything is backed
up with evidence because it's important to you know, stay
truthful and actually report the news as it happens.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
We're talking with Jeff b from the Rock Canyon Paper.
Call it's rock media.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Is that's the name of rock media, Rock media. How
much do you get curtailed from going after the big
controversial issues at high school?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
And what are they?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
So?
Speaker 8 (33:57):
I don't really know a lot about a lot of
the controversial, you know, hot button issues, because there kind
of aren't a lot at my school. It's mostly just
we like to cover a lot of like big events
that happen, and if there's you know, some kind of
major thing that happens that is relevant to the school,
irrelevant to our community in Douglas County, we're going to
make sure we report on it. Like a couple of
(34:20):
years back, there was a mask mandate that was put
in in like twenty twenty one. It was right off
the heels of COVID, but there was a mass mandate
and a bunch of students at our school staged a
walk out protest.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Oh yeah, so they Douglas County. Of course it did.
Speaker 8 (34:35):
Yeah, they went out in front of the school and
you know, started waving flags around and like arguing with
people about they waving around, you know, American flag. I
do know that there's a Trump flag. I looked back
at a lot of the photos, but it was like
a lot of stuff like that, and that's a pretty
important issue to a lot of us. And then like
a last year when I was like on my first
(34:55):
year in staff, one of the teachers at Rock Canyon
got a rested oh four, yeah things we're.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Currently prosecuting them for. We'll leave that one on the table.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Look here here, here's what we'll talk about that one
with Chief Deputy Harrameo in the future as well. Listen,
do this. You're gonna stick around for the next hour,
right yep. And then of course I'm gonna ask you
to go home and make dinner. But nonetheless, until then,
stick around. We're gonna have on next She's the minority leader.
Her name is Rose Paglici. Jeff, get your sharp questions
ready to go. Everybody else, stick around, get your questions ready.
(35:28):
At five seven, seven thirty nine, George Brockophillian for Dan
Campbell's on The Dan Campbell Show.
This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast edition
of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to give
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Well, folks, disappointing for many of you out there, these
are not the sultry tones of one Daniel J.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Caplis. Instead, it is I or is it me? Is
it thou? Whatever?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
George Brockler filling in here on six point thirty Khow for.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Those of you that have never heard me.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
On the radio, either on my own show at another
station or as a fill in, I know what.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
You're used to.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You're used to someone coming in and becomes a bit underwhelming.
You think to yourself, Man, I'm used to the guy
with all the knowledge and the sense of the humor
and stuff like that. Who is this dry bag of
rice on the radio. If that's how you feel, you're
going to feel right at home over the next two
hours here, because that's what.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I bring to the table.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Now listen, I am currently and I say currently because
you never know when there's going to be an indictment
or the attorney regulation Council pulls away your license to
practice law. But I'm currently the elected district attorney for
the mighty twenty third Judicial District that comprises Douglas, Elbert,
and Lincoln Counties. You may not know the names, but
you know them as the safest place in the metro area.
(01:22):
As you're driving southbound on I twenty five, when you
sigh relief as you crossover county line before you hit
the other county line, that's where we are. We're in
Douglas County.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I am going to have on.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
The show today a couple different people. They're going to
help describe some of the stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
That we do.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
And this I think is really the opportunity when you
have the DA on is you get access to folks
and you can talk about things that sometimes it requires
a Steve Reims or someone else in the game to
be able to have these conversations. But we're going to
have on a super chief, a police guy named Jack Cowley.
He's the chief for the Cashwrock Police Department, who are
killing it out there. You know, when I talk about
(02:02):
crime fighting, maybe using the phrase killing it.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Not as awesome as I thought.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
But nonetheless, thank you Kelly k has just brought me
my special medicine in a can. But we're going to
talk about some of the great stuff that they've done.
We had a huge case Ryan had us on to
talk about it back when involving a dui homicide that
they did such a good job on and we got
such aggressive on that we convinced the jerry to say
(02:27):
no instead, it's first degree murder and so that was great.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
We'll have Jack on and.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Then that's the coming up like four ten ish, and
then at the bottom of the hour we're going to
have on Chief Deputy District Attorney Danielle Haramio. She is
my chief of a couple different parts of the office.
One is domestic violence and one are the Crimes against
Children or the Special Victims Unit Crimes. We've combined those
(02:53):
together to make them the Family Violence Unit. She and
her team and she goes to trial all the time.
She may be one of the most trial go in
chief deputies in the Metro area. But she had a
huge victory just I believe last week on a big
case I want to talk about too, because this becomes
a recurring issue. And then in the five o'clock hour
(03:15):
we'll be joined maybe earlier than that, will be joined
by another member of the media, not the mainstream media,
more like a tiny tributary part of the media.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
But his name is Jeff and he is one of.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
The editors on a super paper out there in Douglas County,
and we'll have him in to talk about that and
get his reaction to something else. Because folks, if you
have not yet had the opportunity to go online anywhere
in social media, but for me, it was x slash
Twitter and avail yourself of a video of a current
(03:52):
and I say that with an asterisk question mark a
current Rhode Island Attorney General special Assistant Attorney General and
her contact with the Newport, Rhode Island Police. You have
to go do this because we're gonna end up talking
about it. We got some clips from it. It is
for me, and maybe it's just because I'm in the game.
It is for me one of the most entertaining videos
(04:13):
I've seen in a long time, and it reminds me
of Ran.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Do you know what a demotivational slide is?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
You know the motivational slides that you get like it's
an eagle flying around and yeah, yeah, and it says,
like dreams the wings of all the very positive. There's
demotivational slides. Have those because they're awesome, and you've got
to go look it up. And so there's a demotivational
slide called Mistakes, and it's again a majestic picture of
(04:41):
a ship sinking, and the little caption underneath is it
could be that the purpose of your life is only
to serve as a warning to others, and that is
this video clip. I'm telling you, this is exactly what
not to do in this circumstance right here. The other
thing that we're gonna do is, as soon as I
figure out where all the numbers are, we're going to
(05:02):
take your phone calls at and then nine zero three
seven one three eight two five five three zero three
seven one three eighty two fifty five f FM, thank you.
And then we also have the text line at nine.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
One one help. What's it correct? It's five seven seven
three nine Start them Dan, five seven seven three nine
star Dan.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Start the text with Start the text with Dan, and
go into your bucket and let me tell you how
this works. Because here we already have a text it
says Dan, No matter what you need to because otherwise
it won't it won't get to us. But it says
Dan Comma, George, I love it when you're on far
from a quote bag of rice, or if at all possible,
make sure Ryan is included.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Right here, he's right there.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I recall some very entertaining moments with you guys when
you filled in DK and Broomfield.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Now, Ryan, that's true. There was a time back.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Before you got all super successful and professional and stuff
where we had even talked about the idea of do
we approach these.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Oaks with the Ryan and George show.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
This is a true story would have been George and Ryan,
so we could have alternated it.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Throughout the week. Now you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
I would feel very comfortable is kind of the counterpoint
and counterpart to you in that program. And yeah, it
would be a lot of fun and it has been
in the past and it will be today.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, I think this is going to be fantastic.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Now we're expecting to call Chief of Police Jack Cauley here.
I think I texted the number to Kelly on her
special dancing text phone number.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
No, I see, Yeah, we'll make it work. Yeah, I
imagine that's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Here's what's going on in Castle Rock, and we're going
to talk to Chief Colly about this. These folks have
figured out a way to start driving crime down through
a combination of something called one by one policing, which
is to be distinguished from some of the other metro
areas where they have one on one policing that's far,
far more questionable. But they've also got technology, Like nobody business.
(07:00):
These guys have almost functionally eliminated Oh my gosh, the
AG thing is on Fox News right now.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
It's that good.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, they've almost eliminated motor vehicle theft because of the
way they've approached and we'll talk about how they do
it the way they've approached certain things. They've also got
technology now where they have to be able to respond
to those biggest.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Of the big kind of crimes where you.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Need to have that extra piece of technology and resource.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Drones.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Man, these guys have drones that launch off of the
roof of the police department to go, like if there's
an officer involved shooting, or there's some kind of a
horrible situation, maybe even some mash up on the road.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
These guys have.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
The ability to provide the opportunity to give law enforcement
that extra look that will help them to respond in
a quicker and more safe manner. That's the kind of
thing that you want to see out of your local
law enforcement. And all of it is really the product
of the leadership of Jack Coley, who's also a big
pella ton guy. And we can rib him about that
when he when he makes it under the radio, is
(08:03):
he on right now?
Speaker 5 (08:04):
Is out?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
The flashing light means, oh no, The flashing light means
we have a call.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
That's pull bold win in Denver. Okay, offfee talk. And
since we're doing this.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
While we're live on air, Ryan, when's the part where
you whisper get off the radio?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Well, that would be coming in about one minute okay,
fifteen and forty five of the floating breaks for our
listeners out there, and we have hard outs at the
bottom of the hour in the top of the.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Ar that's a really awkward phrase to repeat.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
But if I take Paul, I don't want to do
Paul a disservice and only take him for like forty
five seconds.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Call that pulling a dan. That is kind of what
we have called it.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
We stopped it.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
If I may oh wow, Paul, if you could just
stay with us over the break, Sorry about that.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Don't want to short shript you.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
We can get Collie on at four thirty if that works.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
No, we can't because we have Daniel Harramio on. We
were going to have a calling on at four to ten.
He's been waiting for our call.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Oh no, what about right after this break? Yeah, yeah,
let's do that. Paul.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You can hang on my man or call back. We
will get you on in the show. I just don't
want to take you and say Hi, Paul, hang on
by I don't want to do that. So let's cut
away for a break here in this floating fifteen because
nobody wants a heart out whatever that means.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
That's a radio term.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Nobody wants that, not without the appropriate lubricant. Anyway, We're
going to come back with Chief of Police for the
Castle Rock Police Department.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
His name is Jack Coley.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
He's a buddy, a colleague and a fantastic law enforcer.
Until that time, it's George Brockler filling in for the
Mighty Dan Caplis on The Dan Kapla Show six thirty khow.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Fight for his clients and all that other good stuff.
There is a number one safest suburb in the state
of Colorado and the only city to make the top
one hundred nationally.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
It's called Castle Rock.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I live just outside Castle Rock in a place called
Castle Pines, but I do all my business out.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Of the courthouse right there.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's safe for a number of reasons, but none more
than our next guest. His name is Jack Cowley. He's
the chief of police for Castle Rocks. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Welcome, George, be glad to be with you.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
How long you've been the chief out.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
There, Jack and Jay? Fourteen years?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
How are you doing this? Man?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I mean people that are listening in and especially outside
of the twenty third Judicial District may be experiencing some
slight downturn and crime here and there, but nothing like
what we've seen out of you guys.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
How are you doing it?
Speaker 7 (10:41):
Well?
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Really, it's we've kind of identified three areas, and you know,
it's people, innovation, and community. And the people part of
it is the people with our organization within the cast
Rock Police Department. It's just creating a positive work climate
for them and a good culture, giving them the tools
they need. To thrive and you know, make sure they're supported.
(11:05):
And then the innovation part is having an innovative mindset
so that we were always looking at how we can
best serve the community using the best technology that's out there,
but just try new things and not being afraid to innovate,
which means it's okay to try an idea and if
it doesn't work, that's okay, we'll go back and try
(11:28):
something else. And then finally the community you have to
engage for the community, have community support and because we
can't do this without them, right, we can't do this
without everybody out there. We have about eighty seven thousand
people that live in Counsel Rock, about one hundred and
six officers, and we can't do that with the hundred
and six officers. We need eighty seven thousand people helping
(11:50):
us be the eyes and the ears and the support
and the partnerships.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
One of the things that I've always been impressed with
by a chief, and you chief in Castle Rock when
I was DA the first time for the bigger eighteen
judicial district, is you don't treat this like, hey, I
already know all the right things to do, just innately
or because of my own background. You study and read
and try to get in front of all the not
(12:16):
just I hate the term best practices, but things like
that and leadership stuff. And in fact, in particular, you
talked about a book to me called leaders Eat Last
and things like that, talk about how you approach leadership
and how you translate these things that you're finding out
in the world and applying them to the police department setting.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Yeah, so you know, leadership is all about people, and
you know as leaders as a chief of police, it's
really my role to insert those that are are working
with me are provided what they need so that they
can you know, thrive in their wals and that when
(13:00):
they can do that, then we know that we have
a whole team of people that are thriving and collectively
we're better off and we're better as a team than
we are as one person. Because I don't have all
the answers, but it's so important to create that culture
of support and being people centric and listening. Listening is huge.
(13:23):
But I do look out outside of policing. I think
it's important to not only look with in our profession,
but look outside our profession and find out what is
the private sector doing that we can learn from. And
you know you mentioned leaders eat last. Another book is
The Infinite Game, and Simon Senek is the author of
(13:46):
a book of those books, and I consider him a
friend and a mentor and have learned a lot from
Simon on leadership and how to build you know, effective teams.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
So I think there's we're talking with Castle Rock Chief
of Police, Jack call it. I think this is something
I want to take over to the DA's office right now.
I have an approach that says, don't look at me
in the eye, don't talk unless I address you directly,
and it hasn't really had the same positive impact.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I think your approach has taken. I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Let me talk to you about the technology, Jack, because
this is something where I think you have started to
separate yourself from some of the other law enforcement agencies
out there. And maybe that's not the right way to
put it. You have led the way on some of
the stuff. Talk about what you guys do.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Well. As I mentioned before, you know, one of our
pillars is innovation, and we're always looking for, you know,
the next piece of technology that can help us be
as effective as possible. So you know, for example, you know,
we we implemented body worn cameras back in twenty and sixteen,
you know, well before it was mandated by the state,
(14:52):
because we knew it was the right thing to do
and we wanted to implement it as soon as we could.
One piece of implementing technology is truly building a culture
of innovation, because you know how police officers are. Sometimes
they don't want to embrace the newest thing. But what
we've done here is our police officers know that they
(15:16):
expect it. They want to be part of being first
in technology, so they embraced the next thing and they
bring ideas to us. But what we're doing right now
is we just implemented a thrones for first Responder program.
And so what we're doing is that we are launching
a drone from a building in town and flying it
(15:39):
to culture service and that can be a critical incident.
It could be a lost child or anything, and so
we're able to get there within a couple of minutes
and get eyes on and see that information back to
dispatch and to the officers they're responding. That's the type
of thing that we're doing is ensuring that the tools
that are given our officers that only keep them safe,
(16:00):
but helped keep our communities.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Have you had any success stories with that yet? And
before you asked, let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
We get these texts that come in here it says Georgia,
I'm a lifelong resident of Douglas County. I feel very
blessed to have Sheriff Weekly and Chief Jack on the job.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
So nice work. Have you had any success stories with
the drone?
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Yes, we had. We just started it on Friday and
we actually within about thirty minutes of starting at we
were able to fly the drone over to the outlets
and to the outlets area, the promenade area and located
some individuals who had committed an ordvice retail crime theft
(16:37):
at one of the retailer shops over there, and support
the police officers on the ground, so we were able
to do that. We apprehended those individuals and arrested them
and took them to jail.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I love that story, as you know, And since you
brought it up, what have you done and really what
have we done to try to send a message to
the retail community that we're not like these other places here,
We're going to hold people accountable for coming in and
victimizing us.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Well, I think that one of the things that we've
done and is partner with the retailers. But as you know,
we together your office and our office hosted a organized
retail crime summit with retailers within Douglas County and we
wanted them to know and to hear from us specifically
(17:27):
that if you commit a crime. You know, if somebody
comes into their retail shop and commits a crime, we
whether it's the Catchlock Police Department or the Douglas cars
County Sheriff's Office or parkerpe d or Loan Tree, we
will respond and we will arrest the individual and we
will take them to jail and hand them over to
(17:48):
your office to be prosecuted. So that message is clear.
And I can tell you that since we had that meeting,
the calls that we received from the retailers that actually increased.
And what they're now is they're calling us prior to
if that's actually taking place in saying, hey, this is
somebody who just entered our establishment. We know that they've
(18:10):
stolen from us before, they're acting suspicious, could you please
send a police officer. Great and we've had some great
success here just in the last months.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Of that, buddy.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I love that. Chief.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I want to thank you again for having such a
great organization out there. You guys produce great cases that
make it easy for us to prosecute. I will see
you back out there on the road. Hey, that is
Chief Jack calling from the Castle Rock Police Department. When
we come back, it's more crime, more law enforcement with
Chief Deputy District Attorney Danielle Harmeio. My name is George Brockler,
(18:40):
filling in for the Mighty Dan Caplis on the Dan
Kaplas Show.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
You're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
We're filling in for dant Capitalist on the Fantastic Dan
Kaplis Show. If you think there is an uptick in
the number of people who are in positions of trust
of our children trying to take advantage of them for
their own sexual purposes, you're in good company, man, because
that's what.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I think too.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Our office vigorously aggressively pursues those people who see our
kids as romantic opportunities. And I wanted to have on
the show to talk about a big victory that we
had in court just last week. Her name is daniel Harameo.
She is the chief Deputy district attorney over the family
violence unit. Danielle, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
Yeah, of course, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Look, if we had more time, I would tell people
why your name is actually pronounced Jaramillo instead of Harrameo,
But we just don't have time for that right now.
On the show, could you do us a favor first
off and talk about in general, what the breadth of
the crimes that we're seeing occur involving people in positions
(19:58):
of trust, What kinds of achie patients, who are they
targeting that kind of thing.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
Yeah, of course, So I would say that the number
one time that we have a position of trust charge,
it's a parent or a step parent of the child.
But when we're talking about people outside the family, we
are seeing teachers, we are seeing coaches. Those are the
main two that we have seemed to have a lot
of over the last couple of years that we're charging.
(20:26):
But there are church leaders too, just that one is
more rare that we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Now, you had another big victory in court, and I
told people before in the lead up, I'm sure you
didn't hear this, that you've got to be one of
the most trial going chief Deputies in the Metro area.
You and your team are constantly in trial, more than
any other part of the office. But there's a guy
named Aaron Carado that you guys tuned up in front
of a jury last week.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Talk about what that case was.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
Yeah, So that was a case that involved a man
who owned a gym called the Strength of Life Jim,
and he would train athletes, and very specifically, he trained
a lot of high school athletes. In our case, they
were two female Junior Olympic level female high school athletes,
a fifteen year old and a sixteen year old that
he trained during various times from twenty nineteen to twenty
(21:19):
twenty one. And during that time period he sexually assaulted
both of those girls multiple times.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Now, in this particular case, how do we come to
know about it so that you and the investigations team
can start putting together this case against this guy.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
Yeah. So this one actually was discovered by his wife.
This man had been married for sixteen years to a woman.
They had three children that they had raised together who
they had adopted at various stages, and so she believed
she was in a loving, lifelong, really long term relationship,
and then she found out, which he believed was that
(21:55):
he was cheating on her. She found out that he
had some applications on his phone that he had said
he didn't have Snapchat, Instagram. After that, she kind of
began to dig because she was wondering what could mess
up her sixteen year marriage, and her and her then
adult son started to dig and they were able to
discover that it was actually a fifteen year old that
he was having thousands of minutes of communication with over
(22:17):
a ten day period, and then they found out over
a six month period many more so she ended up
contacting police reporting that kind of had to push police
to believe her that this wasn't some just like scorned woman,
and she pushed police to really go out there and
find out who this girl was. And then after they
interviewed the female, the victim, she disclosed the abuse that
(22:37):
had been going on for about eight months to her.
And then through more investigation, the wife ended up finding
a note that the defendant had written where he basically
eventually confessed to wanting to marry another name who she
then began to look into, and that girl was also
had been a high school athlete that had trained with
him years prior, so it was actually all the discovery
of his wife, who thought that he was a great
(23:00):
person and learned that he had been hiding this three years.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
In the context of this specific case, but also broader
when you see these things, how are these and I
want to say that it's all dudes, but you and
I both know that's not true.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
There are women involved in this too.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
How do they approach these these would be victims in
their teens.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
Yeah, so that's almost the scariest part when we're talking
about people that are not familial in positions of trust,
because for these situations, these two fathers very specifically were
actually very overprotective fathers. They would go to their kids
training sessions, and this was weightlifting training sessions, and they
would actually stay there for weeks. They went and they
would stay at these sessions for two hours watching a
coach train in weightlifting, which for a high school athlete,
(23:43):
I don't. I think a lot of people would just
drop their kids off and leave, but they actually remained.
It was only after weeks of seeing this happening in
him praying with their kids and then thinking, ohly the
great guy, that they began to then leave. During the
practices and did.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
You sick the girls?
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Did you say praying with the kids?
Speaker 7 (23:59):
Correct, he would pray and like do prayer sessions during these.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Lore while he was praying on he would pray with
them exactly.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
So he began to get their phone numbers. And that's
actually what we're seeing a lot of predatory behavior with phones,
with Snapchat, with Instagram. He started adding them on these
applications and that's really how the flirting began at the
beginning of these things. And you really prayed upon these girls.
And one of them, I'm the most recent victim, was
in a really vulnerable stay at school. She's ben being
bullied at school. She felt like really had nobody to
(24:28):
turn to, and she seemed to be listening to her.
And so you know these people the phones. I think
monitoring phones of your kids' phones is super super important.
Not allowing these applications that allow things to disappear or
to hide. To me, that is like the number one
thing parents need to be doing. Even if you think
all my kids aren't going to think I don't trust them, well,
it's not them, it's the people that are trying.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
To pray on them.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
We're talking with Chief Deputy District Attorney Daniel Harmio from
maybe the best DA's office on the planet.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I don't know yet.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
The jury is still out, but it's up there talking
about this case where she got a great conviction against
Aaron Carado. The evidence was pretty overwhelming. Why did this
go to trial? And what was the defense that they
tried to run in front of the jury.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
Yeah, So this guy was able to make bond very
early on in the case, and so he had been
out of custody. So any offer that told him he
had to go back to prison, he was just unwilling
to really listen to. And so we had given him
an offer that included decades of prison that he just
simply wasn't interested. And once he ended up violating that
(25:34):
bond and being taken back into custody, they started wanting
some sort of an offer, But again, he just really
believed that we were out to get him. I listened
to jail calls where he's saying that, you know, I'm
going hard on him and even murderers on getting this
amount of time. So I don't know what these inmates
were talking to with him about, but he believed that,
like I was, somehow corrupt in going out after him specifically.
(25:57):
So he really was just refusing to take any sort
of an offer that contained a prison number. Keep in
mind that any prison number we would give him, he
wouldn't have to serve a lot of that time, like
it could actually sometimes be cut down to only a
third of that time where he would serve. And so
he was just unwilling.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Though, to accept that responsibility.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Well, this is crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
So he goes to trial and the defense tries to
push a defense of what outside of claiming that you're
corrupt and all this other stuff.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
Yeah, so the defense attorney, I will tell you, I
think had a really hard time because the defenses that
his client wanted him to run were things that weren't
true defenses to these sources of offenses. So he wanted
his attorney to run some sort of a defense like
his ex wife was just out to get him, which
you know, the evidence was overwhelming that that was not
what happened. He wanted to run that you know, this
(26:44):
this girl was going after him and that she was
manipulating him the second victim, and that he was being
manipulated into staying with her and being in a relationship
with her. Keep in mind that was all after the
fact that most of the sexual assaults had already occurred,
if there was a number that had happened. For that,
so he wanted his defense a journey to run things
that weren't legal defenses.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
And so here's this for me.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
Essentially, want with make them meet their burden, make sure
that they have beyond a reasonable doubt, and here are
all the reasons why there's some reasonable doubt. Obviously, the
jury did not buy that, and they ended up convicting
him pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Now, discharge, when somebody in a position of trust goes
after a teenager that's in the appropriate age range, there
first talk about that and then what are the potential
penalties what in fact, what are the maximum penalties that exist.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
Yeah, so in Colorado there's two different types of charges
for sexual assault against a child. If there's not in
a position of trust, it's under the age of fifteen,
so it's only fourteen or under. But when we are
talking about a position of trust, it's actually anyone under
the age of eighteen. So because this victim was fifteen
and the other one was sixteen, that fit within the
position of trust. Crown with that because he perpetrated this
(27:56):
as a pattern of abuse, which means that happened more
than once with each victim. Each count for sex default
on a child that he was convicted of comes with
a potential penalty of eight years to life to thirty
two years or excuse to twenty four years to life,
So any count could be between eight to twenty four
years to life.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
A judge could.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
Run them concurrently which means that they run all at
the same time, or consecutivetivily, which means they would run
all on top of each other, one compounding each other.
He was also convicted of some assaults that you did
on one of our victims third degree of fault, as
well as he was convicted of a forcible sex asault.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
So in this particular case, what you added all up?
What's the max? What's this guy looking at.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Talking at anywhere between eight years to life to about
one hundred and fifty years to life.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Good lord, Now, But here's the kicker.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
And I don't know that people understand this but for
the pattern, but for the multiple acts, could this guy
get probation for what he did?
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (28:56):
So if he had only done it one time to
each victim, he could have gotten probation even the rape
that was he did forcible rape without consent, even that
one is a probation eligible offense, where he could only
receive potentially probation on that sort of a crime that
was only because each victim had more than one time
that happened to them. Is that there's any sort of
mandatory prison.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Component For folks listening to you may remember that our
Democrat led legislature in the House Judiciary Committe last year
killed a bill that would have given the promise of
prison to child rapists. Danielle was there until midnight or
twelve thirty or something, testifying like a champ on this
before it got defeated. I just want to say thank
(29:36):
you for the great work that you and your team do.
Fantastic win will have. We'll keep having you on by
the ways you guys continue to rack up the victories.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
That sounds great. And also, interestingly enough, the ex wife
of our defendant also testified for that bill at about
one thirty eight. Really she was also involved in that,
which is interesting. But thank you for having me on.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I really appreciate that. That's Danielle Harramio.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
She is a chief deputy District attorney in the best
d MDAs office in this price range. When we come back,
we'll take your calls at three h three seven one
three eighty two fifty five.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Is prohibition ever eligible for a child rapist or someone who.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Prays on the kids? Five seven seven three nine. You
guys have been using the text line keep it going.
George Brockler filling in for the mighty Dan Caplis on
the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
And now back to the Dankaplass Show podcast and capitalis
I'm a Dan Capla show.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
That right there Phil Collins, whose music kind of was
almost like the soundtrack to portions of my high school
and college career.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
That missed that dude doing live stuff and all that.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
His daughter, of course, plays the lead character in Emily
in Paris. And now that I've said that out loud,
I regret sharing that fact with you.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Did I know that? Does your son know that?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
You know that he does now because he is in
studio with us right now.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
His name is Jeff. He is a member of the media.
He is an editor.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
That's a big time title with it comes with a
big time paycheck for his high school paper.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
What's it called the Washington Post.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
What is it? Uh?
Speaker 6 (31:12):
No, So, I'm an editor for Rock Media.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
I go to Rock Canyon High School and uh, I
don't know.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
I do a lot of.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
News stuff there, like reporting, and I also do a
podcast up but you know, I don't.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Get paid for it. So what it's out of the
goodness of my heart.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Wait a minute, you'd get nothing for that, and I
pay you for the lawn. Yeah, what's that about?
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Well, I mean, you know, uh, you asked me to
do the lawn. I do the newspaper out of you know,
enjoyment of it.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Oh that's great, Thank you for that, Jeff, big question here.
You guys have done recordings before as part of Rock Media.
It wasn't like anything when I was in high school.
You guys do a podcast. What's it called?
Speaker 7 (31:50):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (31:51):
So, I do a podcast about kind of like recent
gaming news.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
It's called the Glitch Podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Uh yeah, and tell me about what recent gaming news?
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Is that like betting on OTB or something like that.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
It's like, so, you know, every week or two we
basically like take notes about what's going on in the
kind of gaming media landscape or whatever, you know, like
new game releases or controversies. And things like that, and
then me and my two friends Jackson Bond and Evan Jensen,
we go into the studio and we just kind of
talk about it for however long we need to to
(32:25):
get everything out.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, so you're not limited by time, no, although we
want to keep it shorter.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
But we've had like episodes in the fifty minutes.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Is this number one on Apple podcasts?
Speaker 6 (32:35):
I don't know how to post Apple podcasts.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
That sounds like a Yes, you have four purposes of
being in high school journalism and this is actually topical
at this at this adult level too. Do you guys
get classes or training on things like ethics, being unbiased
that kind of thing.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
Not really, I mean what we're told.
Speaker 8 (32:59):
In our is to stick the facts basically. You know,
when we go do reporting, we make sure to get
as many interviews as possible, make sure to get everything
that's important to the story. Let's say we go to
like a football game. You know, we record the score
and then we interview players on mostly our side, but sometimes.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
On the other side.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
We also take pictures and things like that, and we
stick to what we can. Now we can't just like
come up with information and if we're doing like an
editorial or an opinion piece. We always make sure to
cite our sources and make sure that everything is backed
up with evidence because it's important to you know, stay
truthful and actually report the news as it happens.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
We're talking with Jeff b from the Rock Canyon Paper.
Call it's rock media.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Is that's the name of rock media, Rock media. How
much do you get curtailed from going after the big
controversial issues at high school?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
And what are they?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
So?
Speaker 8 (33:57):
I don't really know a lot about a lot of
the controversial, you know, hot button issues, because there kind
of aren't a lot at my school. It's mostly just
we like to cover a lot of like big events
that happen, and if there's you know, some kind of
major thing that happens that is relevant to the school,
irrelevant to our community in Douglas County, we're going to
make sure we report on it. Like a couple of
(34:20):
years back, there was a mask mandate that was put
in in like twenty twenty one. It was right off
the heels of COVID, but there was a mass mandate
and a bunch of students at our school staged a
walk out protest.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Oh yeah, so they Douglas County. Of course it did.
Speaker 8 (34:35):
Yeah, they went out in front of the school and
you know, started waving flags around and like arguing with
people about they waving around, you know, American flag. I
do know that there's a Trump flag. I looked back
at a lot of the photos, but it was like
a lot of stuff like that, and that's a pretty
important issue to a lot of us. And then like
a last year when I was like on my first
(34:55):
year in staff, one of the teachers at Rock Canyon
got a rested oh four, yeah things we're.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Currently prosecuting them for. We'll leave that one on the table.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Look here here, here's what we'll talk about that one
with Chief Deputy Harrameo in the future as well. Listen,
do this. You're gonna stick around for the next hour,
right yep. And then of course I'm gonna ask you
to go home and make dinner. But nonetheless, until then,
stick around. We're gonna have on next She's the minority leader.
Her name is Rose Paglici. Jeff, get your sharp questions
ready to go. Everybody else, stick around, get your questions ready.
(35:28):
At five seven, seven thirty nine, George Brockophillian for Dan
Campbell's on The Dan Campbell Show.
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