December 10, 2025 • 36 mins
George Brauchler, 23rd district attorney joins Dan with his take as a prosecutor on a Douglas County shoplifting ordinance and its enforcement. Should stores allow shoplifters to go free, or hire armed security as a deterrent?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Kaples and welcome to today's online podcast
edition of The Dan Kaplis Show. Please be sure to
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and to subscribe, download and listen to the show every
single day on your favorite podcast platform. Glad you are here. Wow,
coming up on the shortest day of the year, not
too far off. And I always love that, right because
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it's the right time of the year for it to happen.
And then you start to get an extra minute every
single day after that, you're feeling like spring is about
to sprung. Three h three seven one three eight two
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
So we're to start today.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
You know, we have some of the big picture life
and death kind of stuff, and then we have the
kind of kitchen table which I always find personally fascinating.
It also often relates to me more directly. But this
one is is just totally baffling to me. This whole
idea that Colorado is now allowing a to use credit
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cards for lottery tickets, and I want to get your
reaction to that. I'll play an interesting story on that
as well. Anxious to get your take now, we cover
the president. We dropped in yesterday to his live in
Pennsylvania on this on the economy, and he's accomplishing a
lot of stuff he doesn't get enough credit for.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
But what grade would you give the economy?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
As you know we played the sound the president gives
it an a triple plus. Love to know from you
what grade you give the economy three or three seven one,
three eight two five five text d an five seven, seven,
three nine. And then the big question why? And then
what what would you like to see Trump do, if anything,
in addition to what he's doing now when it comes to,
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you know, the big affordability issue. And I know the
Texters who say, you know, that's a buzzword from the left,
they don't want to hear it.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Hey, to win elections, you have to live in the
real world.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
And you know, no matter what the left's motive and
coming up with that as their messaging or whatever, all
indications are that it's working.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And why because people are.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Still feeling a lot of pain in terms of affordability.
None of it is President Trump's fault. I know there's
the accusation out there that tariffs increasing prices. There's no
real evidence that that's behind the thrust of this we're
still living through at this point. You know, Biden's inflation.
You know, the challenge is if you're the GOP and
you're Trump and you want and we're at this point
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coming up on a year end, people don't want to
hear the truth, which is said, he this price problems
we're having, it's Biden's stuff. Yeah, true, but people are
going to blame you when you've been in office a
year or more. So we're coming up on that. So
we'll tackle all that. Have a lot of fun this afternoon.
We do try to lighten it up as we get
closer to Christmas, but we've had very little luck with that,
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as you may have. You may have noticed just because
of the nature of life these days. Quarter point cut
in the interest rate today, I'm I'm not sure that's
an offer. It's going to make a big difference, but
it's better and nothing at that point. So if you
want to talk about that, we'll do it. Young Ryan,
if you could helmute this. I always love when people
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text before the show starts. Shows a tremendous passion. What
does this one mean?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Dan?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Stop with the race crap? Any idea with that references too.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
That was yesterday towards the close of the program I
believe you were talking about, was that Jasmine Krockett.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, talking about how she infantalizes black people,
and yeah, that's right because she had wanted no taxes
on black people. And I was just saying, you know,
the people who will be very upset with that are
black people. All they want is a fair shake, fair opportunity,
you know, not to be infantilized or given, you know,
that kind of gift or what. No. No, people are people.
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People want a fair opportunity. And then black people in
the history of this nation obviously had been oppressed at
just unimaginable levels. And this country has made enormous progress
because the vast majority of people in the country are
people of goodwill. But yeah, no, all people want, including
black people, is a fair opportunity. I have no idea
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why that would bother the texture because the point there,
too is who is systemically, systematically, relentlessly depriving black people
and lots of other people, but black people of a
fair opportunity in life.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
It is the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
It is directly traceable back to their policies starting with
doing everything in their power, and this includes all these
big Colorado democrats to everything in their power to prevent people,
including in this example, black people, from having the foundation
they need to have full and fair opportunity, which is
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competitive education. All we would have to have right now
is true school choice. I mean true's aid charters are great,
but just empower those parents, give them real economic power
in the marketplace with the vouchers. Take the money you'd
be given to the public schools, give most of it
to the parent in terms of a voucher or scholarship,
whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And then you've empowered that parent. And guess what.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Then the market has to rise up to meet them
and to get those dollars. You can't go spend those
dollars on a car or this or that. You can
only spend them on education. But the market now has
to rise up to serve and then you get the
secret sauce of America, which is competition, healthy competition in
the marketplace.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Ryan, you tell me right.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Now, how good would cheeseburgers be if all you got
eighty percent of the time were government cheeseburgers. How good
would they be without competition? Healthy competition in the marketplace.
You can go could be cheeseburgers, could be pizza. Here,
it's the most valuable thing on the face of the
earth are children. Competition in education is going to make
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it infinitely better for these kids. But no, the Michael
Bennetts of the world, the hick and Loopers, the Johnston's,
all of them, they will fight to the death to
deprive those black kids, and those white kids, and those
brown kids of an equal opportunity in education because they
need them in government run education. They've got to please
the teachers' unions which do not want competition, and they
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are willing to sacrifice the children to do that.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
So you would think the GOP would.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Be able to win on that issue, and win on
that issue certainly over time. President Trump has done a
great job with a three O three seven one three
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Speaker 2 (06:31):
So we're going to do all that today.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I've wanted to get to this sound because it goes
to a bigger issue which makes me laugh. As a
kid with the greatest parents and the greatest upbringing, imaginable
and part of that was, you know, my.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Dad, Chicago cop my mom could have been anything. She
stayed home to raise us.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
And so I always tell people, hey, I grew up
in the wealthiest house in Chicago if you define wealth
the right way, but which is not money. But but
Claire mccaskell is so typical of the left, which just
doesn't understand people. They don't understand working people. They think
we're working people are all a bunch of bitter, selfish
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people who just wish we could have what the wealthy
people have. And the left just doesn't get it. But
here's another example of that. As you can hear the
bitterness bitter beer face. Remember was that Keystone beer? It
certainly was bitter beer face from Claire mccaskell as she
talks about how expensive the Christmas gifts are that Trump
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will give his grandkids.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I'm not making this stuff up. Now.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
He can lie about a lot of stuff and his
base will take it. It's very hard for him to
lie about how expensive everything is because people feel it.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And you know, I don't know this speech. He's not well.
He's not well.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
I mean it is very if you just took his
the walls are closing in.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I just this is the kind of stuff Claire mccasko
has been saying for years the walls are closing and
he's not well, He's near the end, and then he
just keeps winning and her side just keeps losing.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
It's an isolation, and it wasn't Donald Trump, and it
was out there and he gave it to a group
of people at a rotary club or something. People in
the audience would be going what. It's very bizarre.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
To me that does she have a calculator around You
think she's had a minute to maybe add up all
the votes he got in the last election, and that
number would be a lot larger than the number of
people who went to Trump rallies or were served fries
by him at McDonald's.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
He cannot have any discipline when he does this. And
I got an exercise for President Trump. I think it
would be great for him the morning after Christmas to
tell the American public what his grandchildren received for Christmas.
He of gilded oval offices.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
And ballrooms and gold dripping from everywhere his excesses. On
a personal level, how dare him tell people how many
dolls they can buy their children or how many pencils
they can have.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
This guy is a walking.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Hypocrite when it comes to conspicuous, consumptuous.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
That they just don't get it. Do you know Claire
mccaskell's background. My guess from those comments, I'm just guessing
is that she didn't come from a.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Working class family. Maybe she did.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
She was a senator for Missouri, the last Democrat ever
elected in that state.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Well, all I can say is a vast majority of
people who who work for a living come from you know,
working class families. Would listen to those comments and think
she was from Mars. Why would that matter to voters?
How expensive the gifts were Trump gave his grandkids. People
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probably be upset if a guy with that kind of
money didn't give his grandkids expensive presents or what color
his toilet is.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
And they would criticize them.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Claire mccaskal or Trump didn't get this, grandchildren blame No.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
The point is, and this is where the left just
has it all wrong. They have it wrong on faith,
and they have it wrong on basic virtue and generalizing.
Working class people are not sitting there bitter that wealthy
people have what they have. Working class people just want
a fair opportunity, a fair opportunity to succeed and then
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guess what. There are a whole lot of working class
people like my parents, the greatest parents ever, who their
priority is not money. That's not how they define success.
Both of my parents could have made a whole lot
more money doing other things. My dad could have been
an NBA referee, you know he had, but he wanted
to be home.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
With his kids.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
My mom could have been anything. So no that there
are a whole lot of people out there. They just
want the choice. They want equal opportunity, and then they
want to make a choice as to what they value
and prioritize. So this whole idea of Claire mccaskal on
the left that we sit around all bitter about people
who have more money. They just don't get it, And
I'm glad they don't get it, because it makes it
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You're to beat them. Same thing on faith that they
just don't get how faith can just be at the
center of somebody's life and then influence everything they do,
including voting. And if Coloraden's voted their faith the left
to be done Tomorrow You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
And now back to the Dankaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Texter Winter Solstice now till twelve twenty one. Thank you.
Texture I do know that. All I said is we're
getting closer.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
To it, which excites me because A it means we're
very close to Christmas, and b after that we gain
a minute a day and then it seems like spring.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It's like bankruptcy, right.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
It comes upon you very slowly than all at once,
and I'm very much looking forward to that. Three out
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five seven seven three nine do not miss George Brockler.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
He will join us at four thirty six.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
We're talking about shoplifting in general, but also in Douglas
County where the story. The story was that there is
going to be enforcement now against interesting twist businesses which.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Do not report shoplifting.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Now, the laws are already on the books to hammer
the shoplifters themselves, but targeting businesses that.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Don't report shoplifting.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
And I really like that idea, because I absolutely despise
it when you get these businesses that say, no, we're
just going to let it happen. We're going to order
our people under threat of being fired, that you cannot
confront a shoplifter and We're just going to let people
take the stuff because in the end we've done the
math and it's cheaper for us. That's horrible for society.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I don't know if that's behind what Douglas County is
doing in this correctdown, but we'll find out from the
very best source imaginable. Excuse me, George Brockliff. I do
sound better today, don't I. I just realized that you're
getting there. Getting there because I'm very fortunate. I get
sick maybe once a year, and really, thank you God,
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so grateful that it didn't start until an hour after
closing arguments, which ended at six o'clock Friday night in
our last jury trial.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
But yeah, I feel like I'm getting over it now.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Dan wife in Denver has super flu. I'm concerned for
the Broncos game. Interesting. I wonder what these teams do.
I do won'tder what these teams do. I'll have to
give her old friend Tom Ruin a call. Maybe it's
changed since then, But what do they do to try
to prevent these flu outbreaks among teams? Do they ask
everybody to get the flu shot? Which I would be
surprised by because hey, anybody who decides to get the
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flu shot. That's great, not trying to discourage it. I
just never get it because I'm always concerned it will
cause me to get the flu. I'm not saying there's
any science to that. All I'm saying is I normally
don't get the flu. And once I got the shot,
and I.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Did same thing with COVID. It's thirteen months through COVID.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
We're open full time in our office, we expanded, doubled
our size as a law firm. Flew thirty times no COVID.
And then my wife just a treasure on Earth. She's
perfect in every way, but she's worried about me, and
so the sentiment was pure, and she says, I want
you to go get a COVID shot. Two weeks later,
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I've got COVID and go yeah. So anyway, do you
think teams make all their people get flu shots? But
this guy's a real fan's his wife has the superflu
and he's worried about the Bronco game.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
That's going to be a heck of a game.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Packers, Sunday afternoon should be beautiful weather too, Dan, I have
a bumper sticker on my car.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
It's a magnet. But I've had it made.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
And it states vote your faith, because I believe like you,
if people voted their faith based on what we know
of the people running, Democrats have be gone. There is
no question. I mean, this is just simple math. Why
do you think Jared Pots, after winning the governor's race
the first time, very next day on KUSA, says, yeah,
people need to leave their faith outside the public square,
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because he knows the entire left knows. If people just
voted their faith, the left would be done everywhere because
so much of what they do, not everything, but so
much of what they do is polar opposite the teaching
of people's faith, Like starting with wanting to undermine religious liberty.
Pretty sure most people's face it. It's pretty important to
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have that freedom to practice it. But then it obviously
includes mass killing before birth, etc.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
So yeah, vote your.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Faith and that takes care of the left in colorad On.
By that, I do not mean quite obviously. I don't
mean no, I'm a Catholic, so I can only vote
for Catholics. That would be insane because they've got all
these not all, but plenty of candidates out there saying hey,
I'm Catholic, vote for me because I'm Catholic, and then
they support abortion up to the moment of delivery. So
they say, oh, Catholic, vote for me a fellow Catholic,
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So I can use the power you give me to
undermine your faith, to undermine fundament morality.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Nah, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
When I say vote my faith, hey, in the end,
I will vote for the person who is going to
use that power as effectively as possible to do the
things I want done, which you are informed in significant
part by my faith.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Often they're just consistent with my faith.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Take abortion, Any atheist, any anybody should be able to
sit there and say, no, that's just wrong on every level.
You don't have to be a person faith. You don't
have to believe in God anything else. You just don't
kill innocent human life. Yeah, No, nobody has to have
any religious faith to believe that. Now, being opposed to
legalized abortion is also consistent with my faith. But I
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don't have to rely on my faith for that position.
But bottom line is, yet people voted their faith. What
do you think it would be at this point? Left
wins most statewide races around here by guestimate nine points
ten points maybe more. What do you think it would
be Ryan if all of a sudden everybody on all
sides of the aisle just started voting consistently with their faith,
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whatever their faith may be. What is the standard margin
victory in favor of which party? Oh, the Republican Party
by at least ten points. I mean that would be
a swing.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Considering the already built in democratic advantage in this state,
it would swing the other way, I think in that direction.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I think that's a pretty good estimate, if not a
wider spread. Do you think we will ever see that day?
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I think there is momentum suggesting it could be heading
in that direction, Dan, But we need a functional Republican
party in the state that can seize upon that momentum
and turn it into victory and more importantly, the votes
that result in victory.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Well, you're right, you need the party in place, You
need the right candidates. They have to have the right organization.
They have to have enough money to at least get
going and build up the momentum to cause other money
to follow. Yeah, you're right about all that. But yeah,
if you could just get people to actually vote what
they believe in, it seems like that should be attainable.
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Because I think for the vast majority of people, their
faith matters to them, or it wouldn't be their faith.
They want to act consistently with their faith, whatever it
may be. Yeah, seems like it is attainable in Colorado.
Will we will be a great test case? Text or
Dan not sure it makes sense. Employees are supposed to
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risk assault and injury to stop shop flifters in order
to make a police report. No, I'm not saying that.
What I'm saying is I don't want stores. I don't
want stores in Colorado to just say, oh, it's okay,
we've done the math. Just take what you want. It's
bad for society, it's bad for everybody. It's bad for
you as a shopper. George Brockler, Douglas Da here to
talk about that next on the Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
You're listening to The Dankapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Glad you're here at four point thirty six, and I'm
also glad that George Brockler is here.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
If you're new to the planet.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
George is the district attorney in beautiful Douglas County, Colorado,
and a frequent guest on the show.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Also one of the.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Really great talk radio talents out there. Hooray, welcome back.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
It is great to be here. Thank you for that
high praise. Man, especially from a guy that's been doing
this now for how many years have been twenty five years?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Doesn't mean I've been doing it well, but I I'd
love listening to you. And George has an interesting story
because if I remember right, didn't you win some on
air competition it did to get the first gig.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
Your memory is incredible. It was back in like oh
six ish or something where Pete Boyles had a morning
talk show out there where you are, and he had
a who wants to host her own radio show competition
and they willed it down to ten people, then down
to five finalists and two and then I won this thing.
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And what I ended up winning was one hour on
a Sunday in December the boat show Welsome six thirty.
It was so yeah, so like I am, it's me
and my dad listening basically, you know. And then it
was after that the Jerry Bell, who you know, the
great Jerry Yell, reached out and said, hey, h am
I right in concluding your conservative I'm like, oh, tell you,
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and he goes, do you think you would ever want
to do work with Dan and Craig and I go,
are you crazy? Of course, man, I listen to this
show all the time, and that's how it happened. That
was so. I mean, you're a part of the story.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
That was well, hey, it's been wonderful and that was great.
And you mentioned Jerry Bell. I'm picturing our son, Joe.
I think he was eight walking up to Jerry's office
with a briefcase to pitch Jerry on a show because
Joe used to come on with me. Kept both Joe
and Caroline would come on as little kids. And yeah, Joe,
you know, he was very ambitious, had a great show idea.
I thought it was a winner myself, but I think
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his I think his school.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Schedule got in the way of the commitment. It would
have taken the cause.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Well, and everything's been downhill for him ever since Harvard.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, yeah, he is a good boy. Well we're both
blessed with great kids, right so oh yeah, got but
George now doing as he has before a great job
as DA though. Really, man, if you ever decided to just,
you know, do talk radio full time, you'd probably be
syndicated on multiple planets.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Oh, that's so nice. Thank you for saying that. And
the voters may make that happen before I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I touted that.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
But anyway, this I found a really interesting story. Now
this is the KUSA version, so you'll tell it if
it's accurate. But Douglas County cracks down on shoplifting, but
not shoplifters. A new county ordinance would find businesses up
to one thousand for failing to report shoplifting within four
days of it happening.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So what is really going on there, my friend?
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Well, first off, you know, when I saw Marshall Zelliger,
who's a good reporter and I've known him forever. When
I saw a nine new show up for a press
conference in Douglas County, I knew it would be something
different because they don't come to anything we do. They
don't care about any of the work we do down here.
So he showed up, and basically it was to try
to confront Commissioner Van Winkle on this idea that Kevin,
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when he was in the legislature, had voted against a
bill that required people who had their gun stolen from
them from reporting to law enforcement within a certain period
of time. But now he's got this thing, so I
should have known that was their basis. But everything that
got covered is basically what got covered after the sheriff
and I stopped talking and Darren and I were up
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there basically saying, hey, holiday season, just a reminder and
here's some stats to back it up. You come down
here to steal plan on stand, you know what I mean,
like that kind of thing. I even put up the
reverse side of my business card, which is sort of
an altered version of the chance card from Monopoly, except
it says no chance. It has a lawyer dragging the
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dude to jail, and it says don't pass go no
pr bond, you know, don't get two hundred dollars, go
directly to jail. And so all of that is kind
of omitted from the nine News thing. I think they
may have played a clip and me saying something, but
their focus was on this ordinance, and I do think
the ordinance is worth having a conversation about because I've
never heard of anything quite like it at the county level.
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So the commissioners got together and as we're trying to
tackle retail theft, one of the things that I think
we've run into is there are a number of businesses.
They're the bigger ones, not the mom and pop shops,
not the small business the big ones that have corporate overlords,
and those corporations have made business decisions about theft and
liability that include telling their employees you can't pursue, you
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can't photograph, you can't do anything to stop someone who's stealing.
We're just going to treat it as a business expense
and maybe you can call the cops later. That kind
of thing. Well, that's obviously a problem, right, Like it's
almost like you have cancer in one teeny tiny part
of your body, but you don't do anything to address it,
hoping it won't spread. You can't have businesses out there
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that cater to thieves, or at least are permissive to
thieves and expect that it's just going to stop with
those business So I think the commissioners are trying to
create a vehicle so that these loss prevention regional directors
can go back to their corporate bosses and say, hey,
now it's the law. Now we got to do this, right, Like,
we've got to at least report this. They're not asking
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us to tackle these dudes in the parking lot. But
we got to report this thing, and I think that's
what it's what it's meant to do.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 7 (24:25):
Well, well, listen, I candidly I feel super excited about
the fact that I don't prosecute these There are Kenny
Ordnance's and that's a county attorney thing. And I told
this to the commissioners. I'm supportive of the concept of
trying to get corporations to change the way they approach
their own victimization. But the things I'm genuinely concerned about
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are creating any sort of barrier between us and these businesses.
Like I don't want it to be adversarial ever, and
I know the sheriff feels the same way. I don't
want to create a situation where victims of crime or
potential witnesses in our cases are somewhat stimied by the
fact that they're being pursued by the county, even civilly
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with a fine. I think these things we can navigate through.
I don't think you're going to see the Sheriff's office
running around dropping summonses on people right and left. I
really do think it's a tool that's intended to get
the attention of corporations. I'll give you one example, Dan too.
I still go to trial with my folks, just like
you go to try Like there's no sense in being
an attorney if you can't go to trust. So I
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had a trial to day. They ended up getting continued
at the last minute by someone not us. But it's
about a theft in a sunglasses hut. And in interviewing
the guy who's the assistant manager who made this happen,
he tells us things like, here's what the corporation says.
If I watch somebody steal, I cannot say to them
I saw you put that in your back, or hey,
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you need to pay for that. I can't do it.
I can't like I can't do anything to try to
stop them from leaving. He went to a whole bunch
of these things, and I thought, what the heck are
we doing.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, so this guy did the right thing.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
And he took a picture or two. He called out
for the security from them all, and they did their
thing and we ended up grabbing the skuy. But in
him telling me that, I thought there's a problem here.
These big national chains have made a business decision to
allow this to go on and it's a problem for
everybody else.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, George Brockler, the DA with us.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Now, George, some of these big chains, are they, as
a matter of policy, not reporting at all?
Speaker 7 (26:31):
Yes, that is another issue, is that we are not
getting consistent reporting or we hadn't been. So let me,
you know, tip my hat to the businesses in Douglas County.
We had and when I say we meet the sheriff,
the three chiefs of police, we had a big retail summit,
retail theft summit, oh, I don't know, eight months or
so ago, and invited all of the big players in
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Douglas County to come and we talked about what are
the barriers to you reporting, what are the barriers to
doing this. Their initial reaction was, hey, when we call,
nobody shows up. And it was like, hang on, you're
talking about Denver. That ain't us. And all the chiefs
were like, you call us, we send somebody, And so
we started to work on that part of it. They
also express concern like, look, our corporate lawyers tell us
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we're not allowed to do this, that and the other,
and we talked about how can we get them to
change their policies just regarding Douglas, Let's make up a
test pilot case, you know, I mean, like, let's figure
this out. And since then we've had such great responses.
I think we've really made a good deal of progress,
but not with everyone. And I think that's where the
commissioners are, like, listen, we got to do something. We
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want to take this approach. But we've had calls from
stores we never used to get calls from, and Castle
Rock shows up and laun Tree shows up, and things
happen and people get arrested. I mean, then just the
numbers from last year, we've seen one hundred and forty
five percent increase in the number of people that are
going to jail on theft charges as opposed to just
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summons is increased by forty percent. The number of cases
that get flushed for one reason or another. We're seeing
more jail across the board, and we're seeing an increased
number of these cases. But what I told the media
yesterday was that's not a reflection of increased theft. That's
a reflection of increased reporting by people who are already
being stolen.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
From exactly, and hopefully the word goes out in those
criminal circles. We have about thirty seconds left, George. But this, yeah,
brings me back to I don't know if it's still
on the books, this state statute duty.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
To report a crime.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I dealt with it in a civil case a while back,
a very large civil case, maybe twenty years ago. Do
you know us that's still on the books. That did
not carry a penalty, but on a statewide level, it
made it a duty to report a crime.
Speaker 7 (28:44):
You're absolutely right, it is still on the books. It's
toothless as far as enforcement at the criminal level. But
the other component that you saw in there was it
creates an environment that says you're not going to be
liable if you report a crime, and it's an effort
to take away an excuse for not calling. But it
doesn't really have any We can't really use it for anything, right.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
No, fascinating. The whole origin was fascinating to me. But hey,
appreciate it, man, appreciate the update. Thank you anytime. Okay,
you take care of that. Is that is George Brockler
doing a great job out there. Three or three seven,
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What do you think do you think stores should as
a matter of law be required to report shoplifting? Do
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you think there should be a legal duty on all
of us to report crimes that we see? That statute
exists right now statewide, but does not carry a penalty,
should it.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
You're on the Dan Caplass Show.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Joe Kurdins c NBC.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
But the affordability issue is but from the twenty two
percent increase in prices in inflation.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Under Biden, there's this full stop right there.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
That's the affordability issue.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
And yeah, and that's that's true. I mean, you can
get some little bus pits and pieces here and there.
But the challenge obviously for President Trump and and even
more so since they're standing for election for House Republicans,
is that it's just human nature, right, It's a political
nature in America.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
You get a.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Year, a year plus close to two years into somebody's
term and people say, well, no, I hold you responsible
for it. So, yeah, the affordability issue is real. And
Trump is doing so many great things that he's not
getting credit for. But that's one of the challenges now,
and so I'm glad to see him back out on
the stump. Three or three someone three eight two five
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five the number d A N five seven seven thirty
nine thanks to George Brockler. He was on in the
last segment talking about what they're doing, a crackdown on
shoplifters in Douglas County. But this interesting new ordinance that
will punish these stores and it's aimed at these national
chains who do not report shoplifting, because you have some
big national chains now reportedly not reporting shoplifting just as
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of corporate policy.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
So do you think the county's right to put.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
That ordinance in? And then the broader issue duty report
of crime? You and me, Ryan, everybody under state law,
we have a legal duty to report a crime.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Now it does not carry any penalties.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
And I've actually listened to the legislative history on this
and the origin traces back to the late Great DA
in Denverdale Tooley and just wanting this tool to give
law enforcement and das to encourage people to cooperate. Hey,
under Colorado, you have a legal duty to report a crime,
but there is no penalty.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
And so it came up for me. I'm a civil lawyer.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I represent people in catastrophic injury and death cases, and
it came up to me, because there's this legal principle
where if you have a criminal statute, it may also
create a civil.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Cause of action.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Not in every case, but we were arguing that in
the particular case, I was involved in a horrific rate
murder case three out three seven one three eight two
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What do you think, right, and you think we should
be penalizing businesses that refuse to report shoplifting. I'm not
saying any business should be required to stop a shoplifter,
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though I wish they would, and no employee should be
required to do that. Though you shouldn't be firing employees
who do. We fought that King Souper's battle a while back, right,
But do you think stores should be legally required to
report shoplifting?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I think at a bare minimum they should, just so
shoppers know, you know, what are they getting into in
a particular store, and that there would be a record
of this on file.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
You know, there is the debate is it worth it?
Speaker 3 (32:46):
You don't want to put your employees in the line
of fire and danger with the shoplivers not worth their lives.
And that's kind of the line that we get from
a King Supers, I get that, but don't fire them
if they be trying to stop them. No, they're trying
to laking. Yeah, I would say, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And in the King Supers case, the concern went beyond
stopping a shoplifter went to stopping what the employee perceived.
And I sure understand why as a dangerous person. So
that whole business of firing employees because they try to
stop a shoplifter in a reasonable way. Now, if an
employee pulls out an axe, you know, because it happens
to be an Aisle nine and we got an axe there, Oh,
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here comes this guy wack no over the line. But yeah,
requiring the store, that's an interesting one. From a small
government perspective, I'd lean against that. I'd lean against imposing
that responsibility legal responsibility on a store. I think a store,
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as a good corporate citizen, should be reporting it because
again the rationale I assume of the county being it's
not going to stop there, word gets out. You can
go to Douglas County, grab what you want off the shelves.
The store won't even report you. Guess what you're gonna
add more of in Douglas county. So I think the
county has a very legitimate interest in that, and I
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think the law would sure us heck be upheld constitutionally,
So for me, a close call.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
But I don't like the idea of.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Punishing the store if they don't do that. You know,
not all forms of bad citizenship rise to the level
of a crime. But I am ticked at these stores
that have come down with that policy because they're just
encouraging more and more of it.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
And guess who pays for it in the end, it's
you and me and they know that it's not them.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
My guess is it's not coming out of those corporate profits.
It's coming out of our pockets. Dan, not reporting is
permission to take There's no question about that, no question
about that. The question is do you then impose criminal
penalties on a corporation for being a bad citizen in
that respect? But I agree with your point, Texter, Dan, Seriously, yeah,
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put the onus on the company or a shopper.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
What could ever go wrong?
Speaker 1 (35:03):
How about we just prosecute the shoplifter, of course, but
we need a prosecutor willing to grow a set just
saying well, George is like John callner my law partner
was before him, you know, a really tough on crime prosecutor.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You're right, we do have some of these areas now
that have Soros.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Type prosecutors, and that's just toxic for a community because criminals,
I mean, as a group, they're criminal and sometimes evil
and always doing wrong by nature, but some of them
are smart. So word definitely gets out, you know where
they are not even going to report you. So I
understand why the county wants to make sure that word
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is not hey go out to Douglas County to do
your shoplifting'.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
The one on Polis. My apologies, David, that's just too long.
If you can break it.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Up, I'd sure appreciate that, Dan. If we can't report it,
we'll get out of hand like crazy if it hasn't already.
And again, the nature of the law here is that
the stores can obviously all report problem is that some
of them are not as a matter of corporate policy.
They're just doing the math and saying we're just going
to ignore it. Now I'm guessing at this next part,
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but I'm guessing they're also saying they may not put
in an email.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
We'll just pass it along to the consumer, meaning you
and me.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Three or three seveone three eight two five five takes
d an five seven seven, three nine. We've got a
lot to do next, including is this madness now in
Colorado you can put lottery tickets on credit cards?
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Or is that what freedom should look like,
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it's the right time of the year for it to happen.
And then you start to get an extra minute every
single day after that, you're feeling like spring is about
to sprung. Three h three seven one three eight two
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three nine.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
So we're to start today.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
You know, we have some of the big picture life
and death kind of stuff, and then we have the
kind of kitchen table which I always find personally fascinating.
It also often relates to me more directly. But this
one is is just totally baffling to me. This whole
idea that Colorado is now allowing a to use credit
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cards for lottery tickets, and I want to get your
reaction to that. I'll play an interesting story on that
as well. Anxious to get your take now, we cover
the president. We dropped in yesterday to his live in
Pennsylvania on this on the economy, and he's accomplishing a
lot of stuff he doesn't get enough credit for.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
But what grade would you give the economy?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
As you know we played the sound the president gives
it an a triple plus. Love to know from you
what grade you give the economy three or three seven one,
three eight two five five text d an five seven, seven,
three nine. And then the big question why? And then
what what would you like to see Trump do, if anything,
in addition to what he's doing now when it comes to,
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you know, the big affordability issue. And I know the
Texters who say, you know, that's a buzzword from the left,
they don't want to hear it.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Hey, to win elections, you have to live in the
real world.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
And you know, no matter what the left's motive and
coming up with that as their messaging or whatever, all
indications are that it's working.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And why because people are.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Still feeling a lot of pain in terms of affordability.
None of it is President Trump's fault. I know there's
the accusation out there that tariffs increasing prices. There's no
real evidence that that's behind the thrust of this we're
still living through at this point. You know, Biden's inflation.
You know, the challenge is if you're the GOP and
you're Trump and you want and we're at this point
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coming up on a year end, people don't want to
hear the truth, which is said, he this price problems
we're having, it's Biden's stuff. Yeah, true, but people are
going to blame you when you've been in office a
year or more. So we're coming up on that. So
we'll tackle all that. Have a lot of fun this afternoon.
We do try to lighten it up as we get
closer to Christmas, but we've had very little luck with that,
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as you may have. You may have noticed just because
of the nature of life these days. Quarter point cut
in the interest rate today, I'm I'm not sure that's
an offer. It's going to make a big difference, but
it's better and nothing at that point. So if you
want to talk about that, we'll do it. Young Ryan,
if you could helmute this. I always love when people
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text before the show starts. Shows a tremendous passion. What
does this one mean?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Dan?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Stop with the race crap? Any idea with that references too.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
That was yesterday towards the close of the program I
believe you were talking about, was that Jasmine Krockett.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, talking about how she infantalizes black people,
and yeah, that's right because she had wanted no taxes
on black people. And I was just saying, you know,
the people who will be very upset with that are
black people. All they want is a fair shake, fair opportunity,
you know, not to be infantilized or given, you know,
that kind of gift or what. No. No, people are people.
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People want a fair opportunity. And then black people in
the history of this nation obviously had been oppressed at
just unimaginable levels. And this country has made enormous progress
because the vast majority of people in the country are
people of goodwill. But yeah, no, all people want, including
black people, is a fair opportunity. I have no idea
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why that would bother the texture because the point there,
too is who is systemically, systematically, relentlessly depriving black people
and lots of other people, but black people of a
fair opportunity in life.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
It is the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
It is directly traceable back to their policies starting with
doing everything in their power, and this includes all these
big Colorado democrats to everything in their power to prevent people,
including in this example, black people, from having the foundation
they need to have full and fair opportunity, which is
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competitive education. All we would have to have right now
is true school choice. I mean true's aid charters are great,
but just empower those parents, give them real economic power
in the marketplace with the vouchers. Take the money you'd
be given to the public schools, give most of it
to the parent in terms of a voucher or scholarship,
whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And then you've empowered that parent. And guess what.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Then the market has to rise up to meet them
and to get those dollars. You can't go spend those
dollars on a car or this or that. You can
only spend them on education. But the market now has
to rise up to serve and then you get the
secret sauce of America, which is competition, healthy competition in
the marketplace.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Ryan, you tell me right.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Now, how good would cheeseburgers be if all you got
eighty percent of the time were government cheeseburgers. How good
would they be without competition? Healthy competition in the marketplace.
You can go could be cheeseburgers, could be pizza. Here,
it's the most valuable thing on the face of the
earth are children. Competition in education is going to make
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it infinitely better for these kids. But no, the Michael
Bennetts of the world, the hick and Loopers, the Johnston's,
all of them, they will fight to the death to
deprive those black kids, and those white kids, and those
brown kids of an equal opportunity in education because they
need them in government run education. They've got to please
the teachers' unions which do not want competition, and they
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are willing to sacrifice the children to do that.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
So you would think the GOP would.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Be able to win on that issue, and win on
that issue certainly over time. President Trump has done a
great job with a three O three seven one three
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Speaker 2 (06:31):
So we're going to do all that today.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I've wanted to get to this sound because it goes
to a bigger issue which makes me laugh. As a
kid with the greatest parents and the greatest upbringing, imaginable
and part of that was, you know, my.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Dad, Chicago cop my mom could have been anything. She
stayed home to raise us.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
And so I always tell people, hey, I grew up
in the wealthiest house in Chicago if you define wealth
the right way, but which is not money. But but
Claire mccaskell is so typical of the left, which just
doesn't understand people. They don't understand working people. They think
we're working people are all a bunch of bitter, selfish
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people who just wish we could have what the wealthy
people have. And the left just doesn't get it. But
here's another example of that. As you can hear the
bitterness bitter beer face. Remember was that Keystone beer? It
certainly was bitter beer face from Claire mccaskell as she
talks about how expensive the Christmas gifts are that Trump
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will give his grandkids.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I'm not making this stuff up. Now.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
He can lie about a lot of stuff and his
base will take it. It's very hard for him to
lie about how expensive everything is because people feel it.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And you know, I don't know this speech. He's not well.
He's not well.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
I mean it is very if you just took his
the walls are closing in.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I just this is the kind of stuff Claire mccasko
has been saying for years the walls are closing and
he's not well, He's near the end, and then he
just keeps winning and her side just keeps losing.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
It's an isolation, and it wasn't Donald Trump, and it
was out there and he gave it to a group
of people at a rotary club or something. People in
the audience would be going what. It's very bizarre.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
To me that does she have a calculator around You
think she's had a minute to maybe add up all
the votes he got in the last election, and that
number would be a lot larger than the number of
people who went to Trump rallies or were served fries
by him at McDonald's.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
He cannot have any discipline when he does this. And
I got an exercise for President Trump. I think it
would be great for him the morning after Christmas to
tell the American public what his grandchildren received for Christmas.
He of gilded oval offices.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
And ballrooms and gold dripping from everywhere his excesses. On
a personal level, how dare him tell people how many
dolls they can buy their children or how many pencils
they can have.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
This guy is a walking.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Hypocrite when it comes to conspicuous, consumptuous.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
That they just don't get it. Do you know Claire
mccaskell's background. My guess from those comments, I'm just guessing
is that she didn't come from a.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Working class family. Maybe she did.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
She was a senator for Missouri, the last Democrat ever
elected in that state.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Well, all I can say is a vast majority of
people who who work for a living come from you know,
working class families. Would listen to those comments and think
she was from Mars. Why would that matter to voters?
How expensive the gifts were Trump gave his grandkids. People
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probably be upset if a guy with that kind of
money didn't give his grandkids expensive presents or what color
his toilet is.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
And they would criticize them.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Claire mccaskal or Trump didn't get this, grandchildren blame No.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
The point is, and this is where the left just
has it all wrong. They have it wrong on faith,
and they have it wrong on basic virtue and generalizing.
Working class people are not sitting there bitter that wealthy
people have what they have. Working class people just want
a fair opportunity, a fair opportunity to succeed and then
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guess what. There are a whole lot of working class
people like my parents, the greatest parents ever, who their
priority is not money. That's not how they define success.
Both of my parents could have made a whole lot
more money doing other things. My dad could have been
an NBA referee, you know he had, but he wanted
to be home.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
With his kids.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
My mom could have been anything. So no that there
are a whole lot of people out there. They just
want the choice. They want equal opportunity, and then they
want to make a choice as to what they value
and prioritize. So this whole idea of Claire mccaskal on
the left that we sit around all bitter about people
who have more money. They just don't get it, And
I'm glad they don't get it, because it makes it
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You're to beat them. Same thing on faith that they
just don't get how faith can just be at the
center of somebody's life and then influence everything they do,
including voting. And if Coloraden's voted their faith the left
to be done Tomorrow You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
And now back to the Dankaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Texter Winter Solstice now till twelve twenty one. Thank you.
Texture I do know that. All I said is we're
getting closer.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
To it, which excites me because A it means we're
very close to Christmas, and b after that we gain
a minute a day and then it seems like spring.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It's like bankruptcy, right.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
It comes upon you very slowly than all at once,
and I'm very much looking forward to that. Three out
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five seven seven three nine do not miss George Brockler.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
He will join us at four thirty six.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
We're talking about shoplifting in general, but also in Douglas
County where the story. The story was that there is
going to be enforcement now against interesting twist businesses which.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Do not report shoplifting.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Now, the laws are already on the books to hammer
the shoplifters themselves, but targeting businesses that.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Don't report shoplifting.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
And I really like that idea, because I absolutely despise
it when you get these businesses that say, no, we're
just going to let it happen. We're going to order
our people under threat of being fired, that you cannot
confront a shoplifter and We're just going to let people
take the stuff because in the end we've done the
math and it's cheaper for us. That's horrible for society.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I don't know if that's behind what Douglas County is
doing in this correctdown, but we'll find out from the
very best source imaginable. Excuse me, George Brockliff. I do
sound better today, don't I. I just realized that you're
getting there. Getting there because I'm very fortunate. I get
sick maybe once a year, and really, thank you God,
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so grateful that it didn't start until an hour after
closing arguments, which ended at six o'clock Friday night in
our last jury trial.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
But yeah, I feel like I'm getting over it now.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Dan wife in Denver has super flu. I'm concerned for
the Broncos game. Interesting. I wonder what these teams do.
I do won'tder what these teams do. I'll have to
give her old friend Tom Ruin a call. Maybe it's
changed since then, But what do they do to try
to prevent these flu outbreaks among teams? Do they ask
everybody to get the flu shot? Which I would be
surprised by because hey, anybody who decides to get the
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flu shot. That's great, not trying to discourage it. I
just never get it because I'm always concerned it will
cause me to get the flu. I'm not saying there's
any science to that. All I'm saying is I normally
don't get the flu. And once I got the shot,
and I.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Did same thing with COVID. It's thirteen months through COVID.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
We're open full time in our office, we expanded, doubled
our size as a law firm. Flew thirty times no COVID.
And then my wife just a treasure on Earth. She's
perfect in every way, but she's worried about me, and
so the sentiment was pure, and she says, I want
you to go get a COVID shot. Two weeks later,
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I've got COVID and go yeah. So anyway, do you
think teams make all their people get flu shots? But
this guy's a real fan's his wife has the superflu
and he's worried about the Bronco game.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
That's going to be a heck of a game.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Packers, Sunday afternoon should be beautiful weather too, Dan, I have
a bumper sticker on my car.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
It's a magnet. But I've had it made.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
And it states vote your faith, because I believe like you,
if people voted their faith based on what we know
of the people running, Democrats have be gone. There is
no question. I mean, this is just simple math. Why
do you think Jared Pots, after winning the governor's race
the first time, very next day on KUSA, says, yeah,
people need to leave their faith outside the public square,
(15:00):
because he knows the entire left knows. If people just
voted their faith, the left would be done everywhere because
so much of what they do, not everything, but so
much of what they do is polar opposite the teaching
of people's faith, Like starting with wanting to undermine religious liberty.
Pretty sure most people's face it. It's pretty important to
(15:23):
have that freedom to practice it. But then it obviously
includes mass killing before birth, etc.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
So yeah, vote your.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Faith and that takes care of the left in colorad On.
By that, I do not mean quite obviously. I don't
mean no, I'm a Catholic, so I can only vote
for Catholics. That would be insane because they've got all
these not all, but plenty of candidates out there saying hey,
I'm Catholic, vote for me because I'm Catholic, and then
they support abortion up to the moment of delivery. So
they say, oh, Catholic, vote for me a fellow Catholic,
(15:54):
So I can use the power you give me to
undermine your faith, to undermine fundament morality.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Nah, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
When I say vote my faith, hey, in the end,
I will vote for the person who is going to
use that power as effectively as possible to do the
things I want done, which you are informed in significant
part by my faith.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Often they're just consistent with my faith.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Take abortion, Any atheist, any anybody should be able to
sit there and say, no, that's just wrong on every level.
You don't have to be a person faith. You don't
have to believe in God anything else. You just don't
kill innocent human life. Yeah, No, nobody has to have
any religious faith to believe that. Now, being opposed to
legalized abortion is also consistent with my faith. But I
(16:42):
don't have to rely on my faith for that position.
But bottom line is, yet people voted their faith. What
do you think it would be at this point? Left
wins most statewide races around here by guestimate nine points
ten points maybe more. What do you think it would
be Ryan if all of a sudden everybody on all
sides of the aisle just started voting consistently with their faith,
(17:04):
whatever their faith may be. What is the standard margin
victory in favor of which party? Oh, the Republican Party
by at least ten points. I mean that would be
a swing.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Considering the already built in democratic advantage in this state,
it would swing the other way, I think in that direction.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I think that's a pretty good estimate, if not a
wider spread. Do you think we will ever see that day?
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I think there is momentum suggesting it could be heading
in that direction, Dan, But we need a functional Republican
party in the state that can seize upon that momentum
and turn it into victory and more importantly, the votes
that result in victory.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Well, you're right, you need the party in place, You
need the right candidates. They have to have the right organization.
They have to have enough money to at least get
going and build up the momentum to cause other money
to follow. Yeah, you're right about all that. But yeah,
if you could just get people to actually vote what
they believe in, it seems like that should be attainable.
(18:02):
Because I think for the vast majority of people, their
faith matters to them, or it wouldn't be their faith.
They want to act consistently with their faith, whatever it
may be. Yeah, seems like it is attainable in Colorado.
Will we will be a great test case? Text or
Dan not sure it makes sense. Employees are supposed to
(18:23):
risk assault and injury to stop shop flifters in order
to make a police report. No, I'm not saying that.
What I'm saying is I don't want stores. I don't
want stores in Colorado to just say, oh, it's okay,
we've done the math. Just take what you want. It's
bad for society, it's bad for everybody. It's bad for
you as a shopper. George Brockler, Douglas Da here to
talk about that next on the Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
You're listening to The Dankapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Glad you're here at four point thirty six, and I'm
also glad that George Brockler is here.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
If you're new to the planet.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
George is the district attorney in beautiful Douglas County, Colorado,
and a frequent guest on the show.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Also one of the.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Really great talk radio talents out there. Hooray, welcome back.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
It is great to be here. Thank you for that
high praise. Man, especially from a guy that's been doing
this now for how many years have been twenty five years?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Doesn't mean I've been doing it well, but I I'd
love listening to you. And George has an interesting story
because if I remember right, didn't you win some on
air competition it did to get the first gig.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
Your memory is incredible. It was back in like oh
six ish or something where Pete Boyles had a morning
talk show out there where you are, and he had
a who wants to host her own radio show competition
and they willed it down to ten people, then down
to five finalists and two and then I won this thing.
(19:50):
And what I ended up winning was one hour on
a Sunday in December the boat show Welsome six thirty.
It was so yeah, so like I am, it's me
and my dad listening basically, you know. And then it
was after that the Jerry Bell, who you know, the
great Jerry Yell, reached out and said, hey, h am
I right in concluding your conservative I'm like, oh, tell you,
(20:12):
and he goes, do you think you would ever want
to do work with Dan and Craig and I go,
are you crazy? Of course, man, I listen to this
show all the time, and that's how it happened. That
was so. I mean, you're a part of the story.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
That was well, hey, it's been wonderful and that was great.
And you mentioned Jerry Bell. I'm picturing our son, Joe.
I think he was eight walking up to Jerry's office
with a briefcase to pitch Jerry on a show because
Joe used to come on with me. Kept both Joe
and Caroline would come on as little kids. And yeah, Joe,
you know, he was very ambitious, had a great show idea.
I thought it was a winner myself, but I think
(20:47):
his I think his school.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Schedule got in the way of the commitment. It would
have taken the cause.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Well, and everything's been downhill for him ever since Harvard.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, yeah, he is a good boy. Well we're both
blessed with great kids, right so oh yeah, got but
George now doing as he has before a great job
as DA though. Really, man, if you ever decided to just,
you know, do talk radio full time, you'd probably be
syndicated on multiple planets.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Oh, that's so nice. Thank you for saying that. And
the voters may make that happen before I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I touted that.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
But anyway, this I found a really interesting story. Now
this is the KUSA version, so you'll tell it if
it's accurate. But Douglas County cracks down on shoplifting, but
not shoplifters. A new county ordinance would find businesses up
to one thousand for failing to report shoplifting within four
days of it happening.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So what is really going on there, my friend?
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Well, first off, you know, when I saw Marshall Zelliger,
who's a good reporter and I've known him forever. When
I saw a nine new show up for a press
conference in Douglas County, I knew it would be something
different because they don't come to anything we do. They
don't care about any of the work we do down here.
So he showed up, and basically it was to try
to confront Commissioner Van Winkle on this idea that Kevin,
(22:09):
when he was in the legislature, had voted against a
bill that required people who had their gun stolen from
them from reporting to law enforcement within a certain period
of time. But now he's got this thing, so I
should have known that was their basis. But everything that
got covered is basically what got covered after the sheriff
and I stopped talking and Darren and I were up
(22:30):
there basically saying, hey, holiday season, just a reminder and
here's some stats to back it up. You come down
here to steal plan on stand, you know what I mean,
like that kind of thing. I even put up the
reverse side of my business card, which is sort of
an altered version of the chance card from Monopoly, except
it says no chance. It has a lawyer dragging the
(22:50):
dude to jail, and it says don't pass go no
pr bond, you know, don't get two hundred dollars, go
directly to jail. And so all of that is kind
of omitted from the nine News thing. I think they
may have played a clip and me saying something, but
their focus was on this ordinance, and I do think
the ordinance is worth having a conversation about because I've
never heard of anything quite like it at the county level.
(23:11):
So the commissioners got together and as we're trying to
tackle retail theft, one of the things that I think
we've run into is there are a number of businesses.
They're the bigger ones, not the mom and pop shops,
not the small business the big ones that have corporate overlords,
and those corporations have made business decisions about theft and
liability that include telling their employees you can't pursue, you
(23:34):
can't photograph, you can't do anything to stop someone who's stealing.
We're just going to treat it as a business expense
and maybe you can call the cops later. That kind
of thing. Well, that's obviously a problem, right, Like it's
almost like you have cancer in one teeny tiny part
of your body, but you don't do anything to address it,
hoping it won't spread. You can't have businesses out there
(23:54):
that cater to thieves, or at least are permissive to
thieves and expect that it's just going to stop with
those business So I think the commissioners are trying to
create a vehicle so that these loss prevention regional directors
can go back to their corporate bosses and say, hey,
now it's the law. Now we got to do this, right, Like,
we've got to at least report this. They're not asking
(24:15):
us to tackle these dudes in the parking lot. But
we got to report this thing, and I think that's
what it's what it's meant to do.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 7 (24:25):
Well, well, listen, I candidly I feel super excited about
the fact that I don't prosecute these There are Kenny
Ordnance's and that's a county attorney thing. And I told
this to the commissioners. I'm supportive of the concept of
trying to get corporations to change the way they approach
their own victimization. But the things I'm genuinely concerned about
(24:45):
are creating any sort of barrier between us and these businesses.
Like I don't want it to be adversarial ever, and
I know the sheriff feels the same way. I don't
want to create a situation where victims of crime or
potential witnesses in our cases are somewhat stimied by the
fact that they're being pursued by the county, even civilly
(25:06):
with a fine. I think these things we can navigate through.
I don't think you're going to see the Sheriff's office
running around dropping summonses on people right and left. I
really do think it's a tool that's intended to get
the attention of corporations. I'll give you one example, Dan too.
I still go to trial with my folks, just like
you go to try Like there's no sense in being
an attorney if you can't go to trust. So I
(25:26):
had a trial to day. They ended up getting continued
at the last minute by someone not us. But it's
about a theft in a sunglasses hut. And in interviewing
the guy who's the assistant manager who made this happen,
he tells us things like, here's what the corporation says.
If I watch somebody steal, I cannot say to them
I saw you put that in your back, or hey,
(25:49):
you need to pay for that. I can't do it.
I can't like I can't do anything to try to
stop them from leaving. He went to a whole bunch
of these things, and I thought, what the heck are
we doing.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, so this guy did the right thing.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
And he took a picture or two. He called out
for the security from them all, and they did their
thing and we ended up grabbing the skuy. But in
him telling me that, I thought there's a problem here.
These big national chains have made a business decision to
allow this to go on and it's a problem for
everybody else.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, George Brockler, the DA with us.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Now, George, some of these big chains, are they, as
a matter of policy, not reporting at all?
Speaker 7 (26:31):
Yes, that is another issue, is that we are not
getting consistent reporting or we hadn't been. So let me,
you know, tip my hat to the businesses in Douglas County.
We had and when I say we meet the sheriff,
the three chiefs of police, we had a big retail summit,
retail theft summit, oh, I don't know, eight months or
so ago, and invited all of the big players in
(26:53):
Douglas County to come and we talked about what are
the barriers to you reporting, what are the barriers to
doing this. Their initial reaction was, hey, when we call,
nobody shows up. And it was like, hang on, you're
talking about Denver. That ain't us. And all the chiefs
were like, you call us, we send somebody, And so
we started to work on that part of it. They
also express concern like, look, our corporate lawyers tell us
(27:15):
we're not allowed to do this, that and the other,
and we talked about how can we get them to
change their policies just regarding Douglas, Let's make up a
test pilot case, you know, I mean, like, let's figure
this out. And since then we've had such great responses.
I think we've really made a good deal of progress,
but not with everyone. And I think that's where the
commissioners are, like, listen, we got to do something. We
(27:36):
want to take this approach. But we've had calls from
stores we never used to get calls from, and Castle
Rock shows up and laun Tree shows up, and things
happen and people get arrested. I mean, then just the
numbers from last year, we've seen one hundred and forty
five percent increase in the number of people that are
going to jail on theft charges as opposed to just
(27:58):
summons is increased by forty percent. The number of cases
that get flushed for one reason or another. We're seeing
more jail across the board, and we're seeing an increased
number of these cases. But what I told the media
yesterday was that's not a reflection of increased theft. That's
a reflection of increased reporting by people who are already
being stolen.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
From exactly, and hopefully the word goes out in those
criminal circles. We have about thirty seconds left, George. But this, yeah,
brings me back to I don't know if it's still
on the books, this state statute duty.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
To report a crime.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I dealt with it in a civil case a while back,
a very large civil case, maybe twenty years ago. Do
you know us that's still on the books. That did
not carry a penalty, but on a statewide level, it
made it a duty to report a crime.
Speaker 7 (28:44):
You're absolutely right, it is still on the books. It's
toothless as far as enforcement at the criminal level. But
the other component that you saw in there was it
creates an environment that says you're not going to be
liable if you report a crime, and it's an effort
to take away an excuse for not calling. But it
doesn't really have any We can't really use it for anything, right.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
No, fascinating. The whole origin was fascinating to me. But hey,
appreciate it, man, appreciate the update. Thank you anytime. Okay,
you take care of that. Is that is George Brockler
doing a great job out there. Three or three seven,
three eight, two five five five seven seven three nine.
What do you think do you think stores should as
a matter of law be required to report shoplifting? Do
(29:26):
you think there should be a legal duty on all
of us to report crimes that we see? That statute
exists right now statewide, but does not carry a penalty,
should it.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
You're on the Dan Caplass Show.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Joe Kurdins c NBC.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
But the affordability issue is but from the twenty two
percent increase in prices in inflation.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Under Biden, there's this full stop right there.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
That's the affordability issue.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
And yeah, and that's that's true. I mean, you can
get some little bus pits and pieces here and there.
But the challenge obviously for President Trump and and even
more so since they're standing for election for House Republicans,
is that it's just human nature, right, It's a political
nature in America.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
You get a.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Year, a year plus close to two years into somebody's
term and people say, well, no, I hold you responsible
for it. So, yeah, the affordability issue is real. And
Trump is doing so many great things that he's not
getting credit for. But that's one of the challenges now,
and so I'm glad to see him back out on
the stump. Three or three someone three eight two five
(30:35):
five the number d A N five seven seven thirty
nine thanks to George Brockler. He was on in the
last segment talking about what they're doing, a crackdown on
shoplifters in Douglas County. But this interesting new ordinance that
will punish these stores and it's aimed at these national
chains who do not report shoplifting, because you have some
big national chains now reportedly not reporting shoplifting just as
(31:00):
of corporate policy.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
So do you think the county's right to put.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
That ordinance in? And then the broader issue duty report
of crime? You and me, Ryan, everybody under state law,
we have a legal duty to report a crime.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Now it does not carry any penalties.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
And I've actually listened to the legislative history on this
and the origin traces back to the late Great DA
in Denverdale Tooley and just wanting this tool to give
law enforcement and das to encourage people to cooperate. Hey,
under Colorado, you have a legal duty to report a crime,
but there is no penalty.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
And so it came up for me. I'm a civil lawyer.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I represent people in catastrophic injury and death cases, and
it came up to me, because there's this legal principle
where if you have a criminal statute, it may also
create a civil.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Cause of action.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Not in every case, but we were arguing that in
the particular case, I was involved in a horrific rate
murder case three out three seven one three eight two
five five text D eight N five seven seven three nine.
What do you think, right, and you think we should
be penalizing businesses that refuse to report shoplifting. I'm not
saying any business should be required to stop a shoplifter,
(32:15):
though I wish they would, and no employee should be
required to do that. Though you shouldn't be firing employees
who do. We fought that King Souper's battle a while back, right,
But do you think stores should be legally required to
report shoplifting?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I think at a bare minimum they should, just so
shoppers know, you know, what are they getting into in
a particular store, and that there would be a record
of this on file.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
You know, there is the debate is it worth it?
Speaker 3 (32:46):
You don't want to put your employees in the line
of fire and danger with the shoplivers not worth their lives.
And that's kind of the line that we get from
a King Supers, I get that, but don't fire them
if they be trying to stop them. No, they're trying
to laking. Yeah, I would say, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And in the King Supers case, the concern went beyond
stopping a shoplifter went to stopping what the employee perceived.
And I sure understand why as a dangerous person. So
that whole business of firing employees because they try to
stop a shoplifter in a reasonable way. Now, if an
employee pulls out an axe, you know, because it happens
to be an Aisle nine and we got an axe there, Oh,
(33:21):
here comes this guy wack no over the line. But yeah,
requiring the store, that's an interesting one. From a small
government perspective, I'd lean against that. I'd lean against imposing
that responsibility legal responsibility on a store. I think a store,
(33:42):
as a good corporate citizen, should be reporting it because
again the rationale I assume of the county being it's
not going to stop there, word gets out. You can
go to Douglas County, grab what you want off the shelves.
The store won't even report you. Guess what you're gonna
add more of in Douglas county. So I think the
county has a very legitimate interest in that, and I
(34:03):
think the law would sure us heck be upheld constitutionally,
So for me, a close call.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
But I don't like the idea of.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Punishing the store if they don't do that. You know,
not all forms of bad citizenship rise to the level
of a crime. But I am ticked at these stores
that have come down with that policy because they're just
encouraging more and more of it.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
And guess who pays for it in the end, it's
you and me and they know that it's not them.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
My guess is it's not coming out of those corporate profits.
It's coming out of our pockets. Dan, not reporting is
permission to take There's no question about that, no question
about that. The question is do you then impose criminal
penalties on a corporation for being a bad citizen in
that respect? But I agree with your point, Texter, Dan, Seriously, yeah,
(35:00):
put the onus on the company or a shopper.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
What could ever go wrong?
Speaker 1 (35:03):
How about we just prosecute the shoplifter, of course, but
we need a prosecutor willing to grow a set just
saying well, George is like John callner my law partner
was before him, you know, a really tough on crime prosecutor.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You're right, we do have some of these areas now
that have Soros.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Type prosecutors, and that's just toxic for a community because criminals,
I mean, as a group, they're criminal and sometimes evil
and always doing wrong by nature, but some of them
are smart. So word definitely gets out, you know where
they are not even going to report you. So I
understand why the county wants to make sure that word
(35:41):
is not hey go out to Douglas County to do
your shoplifting'.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
The one on Polis. My apologies, David, that's just too long.
If you can break it.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Up, I'd sure appreciate that, Dan. If we can't report it,
we'll get out of hand like crazy if it hasn't already.
And again, the nature of the law here is that
the stores can obviously all report problem is that some
of them are not as a matter of corporate policy.
They're just doing the math and saying we're just going
to ignore it. Now I'm guessing at this next part,
(36:09):
but I'm guessing they're also saying they may not put
in an email.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
We'll just pass it along to the consumer, meaning you
and me.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Three or three seveone three eight two five five takes
d an five seven seven, three nine. We've got a
lot to do next, including is this madness now in
Colorado you can put lottery tickets on credit cards?
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Or is that what freedom should look like,
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