Astrologist Chani Nicholas: Feeling Lost in Life? This Episode Will Help You Find The Clarity, Direction and Answers You’ve Been Seeking

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Astrology is the study of how the sky mirrors what
happens on earth, of your life, of your life's purpose,
of your soul. What do you want to do with that?

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hey? Everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the place you
come to become happier, healthier, and more healed. Today's guest
is astrologer and author Channy Nichols, whose book You Were
Born For This has helped millions find meaning in their
charts and their lives. As we close the year and
prepare for a new one, Channey invites us to reflect, release,

(00:36):
and step into what's next with clarity and intention. And
if you're loving our conversation, I highly recommend you go
and grab your copy of You Were Born for This
Astrology for Radical Self Acceptance by Channy Nichols. Channy, welcome
to On Purpose.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
It's so great to have you here because I feel
astrology is only being talked about more. Yes, people are
more and more more curious, they're more and more fascinated
they are, and at the same time that leads to
more and more misinformation, a misunderstanding and misconception, and excitement
and energy and language and vocabulary changing. But with all

(01:14):
of that, I wanted to start with a really simple question.
And I'm asking this, funnily enough, as much for everyone
else as I am for myself as well for anyone
who's heard of astrology but doesn't really know what it is.
What is astrology and how does it work?

Speaker 1 (01:29):
So astrology is the study of how the sky mirrors
what happens on earth. Astrology in your astrology chart is
a mirror of your life, of your life's purpose, of
your soul. It's a mirror of the events that also
happen on the earth. And when you're born. Somebody's astrology

(01:53):
chart is literally like a map of their life. It's
a map of your potential. It's a map of your problems.
It's a map of your growth edges. It's a map
of all the ways in which you need to grow
and work and change into yourself. And what it also
signifies is that there's this kind of sense of you're

(02:15):
an amulet of the exact time that you were born.
So every single moment of life has its own chart.
So us meeting today has a chart for it, and
it is a crystallization, or the chart becomes a map
of what we're crystallizing together. So you as a person,

(02:35):
when you're born, we look at we take a snapshot
of the entire sky when you're born, and the exact
location and the exact time that you were born, and
we see where everything was in the sky. And that
is the amulet of you, if you so choose to
work with it and look at it.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
So you're looking at everything from the stars, the moon,
the position of where you were born, the time of.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, we're looking at everything. So literally, right now, if
we were to take a snapshot of the sky, because
we are in this place and because it's this time,
there's a specific sign rising up over the horizon, the
sun is in a specific place in the sky, and
everything else out there in relationship to the Earth is
in a specific place and it's having a certain relationship,

(03:21):
and so astrology is the study of those relationships. One
of the longest standing scientific documents is from ancient Babylon
and it's a seven hundred year documentation of the planet's
movements and of what happened on Earth during those movements.
So it's literally our longest standing scientific record. Humans forever

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have been fascinated with what happens in the sky, and
if you think about it, I was somewhere recently where
there wasn't a lot of electricity, and I could have
this beautiful swath of sky, and I was like, oh wait,
remember or thing about what it was like before electricity.
The sky if you could see it, if it was
a cloudless night, it was just like teeming with light.

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You can see galaxies, I mean, you can see the
milky Way. You can see and then you can see
the planets moving. And so we've always until very recently,
had a very specific relationship with nature, with all of
life around us, and the sky has always been a
part of our relationship with life. And the study of

(04:30):
the planets and the study of the moon, the study
of the sun, the study of the cycles that we
live within also taught us how to count, taught us
how to understand rhythms, I mean, it taught us math.
So it was always an integral part of how we
came to understand who we were. And so through the
study of the planets for again hundreds and hundreds of years,

(04:54):
people came up with the ancients came up and then
understanding of what the planets did and kind of what
they meant, and so we have this lineage of thousands
of years of documentation and thousands of years of scholarship,
and thousands of years of people examining what the sky

(05:16):
was looking like and what it meant for people living
that moment out. So you're a moment in time, and
I'm a moment and time, and that moment in time
had a specific essence and then you, as a person
with free will as a soul, you get to live
that out and express that however you want, like, but

(05:37):
it is what it is, but you have free will
within that.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
We're going to get to that.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yes, when did you know it freaks people out?

Speaker 2 (05:44):
No? When did humans? When did humans start to develop
astrology or start to interact with this mindset that what
we see in the sky has relevance to who we are.
Because when you say who we are, are you talking
about personality? You talking about you know what elements are

(06:04):
you talking about?

Speaker 1 (06:05):
So the personality kind of test of astrology is fairly
new in terms of astrologies, long long history, but humans
have painted, like some of the earliest paintings we have
from the caves of Lesso and France, they are the stars,
they are the pelades, they're the stars that would rise
up around the spring, and so it was like the rebirth.

(06:29):
And so again we have to remember like as hunters
and gatherers, as people, you know, just like figuring out
how to live on the earth. We would know what
time of year it was because of yes, where the
sun was, but also because of what constellations were rising.
So we were literally like it was part of our
ability to find sustenance to understand where we were in

(06:50):
time and space. So in terms of understanding ourselves and
our lives and how long that is, we can only
go by what we have written down. So that's at
least a couple of thousand years old, and I can
only assume that it was much older than that, because
you know, whatever was written down might have been lost,

(07:11):
and you know, the written word is a fairly kind
of newer technology in human history. But it's at least
a couple of thousand years old that we've been making
meaning of what it meant when you were born that
the son was doing this, or there was say, you know,
this thing happening over here. And for a large part
it was used to understand like rulerships, and it was

(07:33):
used to understand the ways in which civilizations would kind
of come about, and like when it was good for
the king to do this, or the you know so
and so that was in power to do that, and
then slowly, over a longer period of time, it began
to be much more about the person, and like it
became more open to the greater public.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
For anyone who's listening in their skeptical about astrology, they
have their doubts, they're cynical about it. What would you
say to them.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Great, I love it, like you should be cynical. And also,
God forbid we all like the same thing. It's like,
I don't think that I don't really even want to
live in a world where we all like believe in astrology,
whatever that might mean. I think diversity is really important.
I think that the main, my main agenda is that

(08:24):
you understand what your life's purpose is and you move
towards that with the greatest efficacy possible, and that moves
you towards serving the world in your own specific way.
I think that for me, astrology is my quickest entry
point into that. But there are a thousand and they're
all legitimate and wonderful. I just want you to find

(08:47):
yours and so if you don't like astrology, great, I
don't know of anybody, and I, you know, I'm sure
there is people out there. I don't know of anybody
that has spent a significant amount of time studying astrology,
like really thoroughly studying it and then feeling like it
had no merit whatsoever. Young the psychotherapist psychologist famously thought

(09:14):
it was ridiculous and studied it and converted himself and
then he actually became somebody who impacted the field greatly.
But I feel like most people that don't like it
are thinking about sun sign horoscopes, which are like a
gateway drug to astrology, Like they're not the thing.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Tell tell me about the difference between what you were
talking about. Yeah, sun sign horoscopes.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
So sun sign horoscopes were developed around the time of
the printing press so that people could have an easy
access point and easy entry point into understanding their astrology.
Because basically, if you knew the day that you were born,
give or take, you knew what sun sign you were

(10:00):
before that, it was very, very focused on the rising sign.
And the rising sign is so specific because again it's
about where you're born in the exact time, because that's
the exact piece of sky that's rising up over the
eastern horizon, and that's your marker of life, Like that's
your yes, I'm here, I'm saying yes to this life.
I am separate from the body that brought me here,

(10:22):
all of that. So your sun sign is like something
you share with people that are born within a thirty
day span as you. It's very general. There's a lot
to be gleaned from it, but it's not your chart.
Only your rising sign can tell us your entry point,
and then it sets up the entire chart. It sets
up the meaning of everything else for you. So it's

(10:44):
like looking at a sliver of a picture, or like
even a pixel, instead of looking at the whole thing.
So yeah, if you are like I don't want to
be boiled down to a couple of tropes about my
sun sign, I agree with you. I don't either. That's
why I don't even like talking about my shart in public,

(11:05):
because I don't like having people think that they understand
who I am by something so surface level. And your
chart is so much more complex than that. I mean,
there's like there's like fractals of fractals that you can
get into of meaning that people again spent thousands of
years developing and like and pouring their their life into

(11:31):
and so your sun sign is like, it's fun to share,
it's very memeable, it's very gameable, it's very shareable, and
so it's an entry point, but it has so little
to do with the reality of what we're actually looking
at when we look at your chart.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, relieving, Yeah that's good. Yeah, Yeah, it's really helpful
because I feel like you're absolutely right that it's sharable,
it's interesting, it's fun to talk about. But then when
you look at how valuabilel it is or how accurate
it is, naturally, it's never going to feel that way.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
It's the same as a broad personality test that divides
you into four core personality types. It's like, of course,
we're far more complex and layer than that. Yeah, and
we all believe that, especially as we get older. Can
you explain you've been referencing birth chart and chart. Can
you explain what that birth chart is? I imagine it's
when you're born, as you were saying, where everything lands

(12:25):
in the sky. But can you explain how someone can
read that chart? What does that mean to read someone's
birth chart.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, so it's a snapshot of the sky, the moment
that you were born, from the exact location in time
that you were born, and everything in it is in
relationship to each other. So you're actually describing all of
the relationships that make up your life, and it is
you know, you can look at it through the lens
of your personality, which is one thing I think it

(12:54):
can be quite reductive when we do that. But what
like ancient or traditional astrology is more about is looking
at the quality of each area of your life, like
where can someone expect to have success, Where can someone
expect to have maybe some difficulty, What are the things
that are like working for them, and what are the

(13:16):
things that are going to be a challenge and therefore
a growth edge there for an opportunity to develop themselves.
And so you can glean somebody's like nature from it.
But it's really about, like, you know, if someone's struggling
to find love in their life and you look at
their chart and you see like, oh, yeah, I can

(13:38):
understand why that's a struggle. It doesn't mean that they're
going to be in a struggle forever. It means that
there the chart is going to distinguish what the thing is,
and therefore, once we know what the issue is, we
can work more clearly or more definitively towards the solution
for that thing. And so it can be a really

(13:59):
good aid in terms of like what's what is the
pain that you're carrying? Like what are the things that
you're burdened with in this life? Your chart will reveal
that and that can also be a real solace because
it can feel sometimes like we have this thing that's
like against us in life, like why won't this thing

(14:20):
work out for me? Or why doesn't this ever kind
of take shape for me? And when you can see
it in the chart, you can be like, oh, okay,
that's just a setup, but there's other ways to work
with that thing. But I have to know what the
issue is first, and so I think that astrology helps

(14:41):
us to identify. If you have somebody, you know, adept
looking at your chart, or if you have you know,
good education around like what it actually is, then we
can use the chart to really open up those doors
for us, because without knowing what the issue is, it's
really hard to try to meet it. You can do
that through therapy, You can do that through a lot

(15:02):
of different avenues. Again, astrology is one of them.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
How much of this is Is it so important? You
just said that the practitioner needs to be adept. Yeah,
and it almost feels like to me that the recipient
needs to be adept as well. Yes, And what I
mean by that, what I mean by that is like
I've always looked at so I never studied this, but
as part of my teachings in the monastery, we had

(15:27):
people who practiced Vadia castrology, which is thousands and thousands
of years years old. People had incredible experiences of using
There's places in Indias where they use leaves and there's
writings on leaves, there's charts with literally like strings attached.
I mean, it's it's spectacular the culture and the history
of it. But what I found was that, for example,

(15:49):
if I know it's going to rain tomorrow and there's
an adept weather forecast with By the way, I don't
know who does good weather forcast, but let's say it's
going to rain tomorrow. As an adept person who's looking
at that forecast, I know tomorrow, I better take my umbrella,
my boots that I'm happy to get wet in the
rain and a raincoat. Yeah, and so it requires me

(16:10):
to adapt to the information, whereas often what I've found
today is when people feel like they're going through a
bad face or there's something not working for them, it's
kind of like, well, I can't do anything right now
because I'm going through a bad face. And that's like
me saying, well, I can't have fun tomorrow because it's
going to rain. Yeah, talk to me about that. And
if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me. I'm just

(16:30):
sharing it from what I've heard and seen.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah. Yeah, it is the human problem. It is the
human condition. I think to try to reduce things down
to something that's simple enough to either blame life on
or to try to like figure out really quickly. And
we also try to, i think, have one answer for everything.

(16:54):
So you know, I mean, I get why it's so
annoying because everyone will be like, oh, mercury retrograde. You're like, oh,
that's not it, that's not you can't do that, like
you can't blame it. Or I hear people say, well,
you know, I'm a scorpio, and I'm like, that has
nothing to do with being a scorpio. Like I get
the desire to do that, but that's not you're using

(17:16):
a hammer to do everything and you need a feather
sometimes and like you need different tools. So yeah, it's
it is a it's a it's an interesting thing because
when we're going into a time period that looks really
complex astrologically, you want to hold it with like, Okay,
this looks like it's going to challenge us. It looks

(17:39):
like it's going to require a lot of mindfulness from us,
and it looks like it's going to require a lot
of tenacity, and it looks like it's going to require
more from us than general times. Great, so now we
know that, so show up. How can I help people
show up to that moment? Not reducing it down to

(17:59):
everything is going to be awful or this is why
this is happening, Because if we lived in a world
where compassion and you know, thoughtfulness and community and people's
health and well being were front and center, then bad
astrology wouldn't be that bad. It's not the astrology that's
making things bad. It's revealing or it's giving you a

(18:22):
kind of understanding of again certain cycles and timings of things.
And so if we can see like, well, what happened
the last time this cycle happened and what worked, then
we can use it as something that's empowering. If astrology
isn't empowering, I don't think you should use it. If

(18:42):
you feel like astrology is reducing you to something or
freaking you out or making you paranoid, I don't think
it's working. I think you should put it down and
not pick it up again until that passes, or maybe
for the rest of your life. Like it should help
you to feel like you're more located and you're better prepared,
like it's I love the rain, so if it's going

(19:03):
to rain tomorrow, great, maybe I can, like, have you
know a moody day where I drink tea and write
in my journal. That's my fantasy. I have a child,
so I can't do that.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
I remember days like that.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
I love that. What's the difference between your sun, your moon,
and your rising because you hear people use this language
all yeah, yeah, yeah, what's the difference. What does it mean?

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah? Well, your rising sign is the marker of your life.
It is the marker of your yes to life. So
it's the marker of your motivation. It is what you're
motivated to do here in the world, and it is
your Yes, It's like, okay, I'm here, I'm born. Your
sun is how you shine. It's like part of how
you illuminate, how your soul illuminates things. It's like what

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lights you up. And your moon is your body. Your
moon is the physical world. If you think of the
moon as a reflector of the sun's light, the moon
in our chart flex the light of our soul, the
light of our sun. And we can only have this
incarnation through the body. And so it's the holder, the
keeper of memory. It is about the physical world and

(20:13):
the physical realm, and how sacred it is to have
a body to have incarnated into. And we get to
do our life purpose through our body a little bit
every day come the tiredness and the joy and all
the things. But the body keeps the score of all
of that, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
So when you're reading someone's birth chat, you're seeing all
of these Could you give examples of what would fit
into each one for anyone that you've read before randomly
obviously or not.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, yeah, Well, like when someone has as a Leo rising,
then they're motivated to show up and really shine in
the world. They're motivated to illuminate something, to be charming,
to be adorable, to be like a recipient of people's
adoration or attention. But what it also does, the rising

(21:19):
sign gives you a key to the meaning of your
life because it the planet that rules that sign is
the planet that steers the ship of your life. And
so if you feel lost, if you feel like you're
not sure what your purpose is, one of the quickest
ways to understand it astrologically is to understand where the

(21:39):
planet that rules your rising sign is. And so if
you're the ruler of your rising sign is in your
tenth housive career, then that's it's going to be a
major part. If it's in your sixth house of service,
then maybe your your volunteering is going to be you know,
it's like, where are the planet located and what job

(22:01):
are they doing? The planet that rules your ascendant is
literally at the helm of the ship of your life.
And so quite often when I give people readings, and
over the years, I've given mostly strangers readings. And you know,
back before Zoom, before the pandemic, when we were all
on Skype, I wouldn't even see the people. I mean
I guess we could have cameras, but mostly it was

(22:23):
like I was almost like on the phone with people
and like all over the world, and so I didn't
know them. I hadn't ever seen them. I don't know
anything about you. I'm just going to read your chart.
I'd start there, and ninety nine percent of the time
people would be so relieved to hear that that's what
that was, because quite often they hadn't been fully living

(22:46):
into it, or it was just so innate that that's
always what they did, and they're like, oh, that's yes,
that is that thing. That's what I've always been known for.
And so when you're not living in accordance with these
these kind of signs to me in your chart, if
you're not living in accordance with your purpose, then everything
is going to feel wrong and everything's going to feel misaligned.

(23:10):
Like for myself, I never thought I would write a book.
It's not anything I would ever think of. But nothing
in my life was working, and I felt so stuck
and I felt so I felt like such a failure.
I felt like I couldn't figure out my place in
the world. And I started writing and people started reading it,

(23:30):
and it started to take off, and I was like,
what is this? This is wild. And it wasn't until
I started working with my teacher, the person who would
like really teach me about the lineage that I practice
in that I understood how important it was to follow
that mark in my chart, because the ruler of my
ascendant is in the third house of writing and speaking

(23:52):
and teaching. But that's nothing I had put together before that.
You can look at your you know, own try, you
can look at yourself in the mirror, you can read
your can look at yourself all the time and not
get it. The beauty of having a therapist or a
guide or a coach or an astrologer somebody that's got
some wisdom is that they hold that third space for
you so that you can have that kind of self reflection.

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So coming to know that like that natural inkling in
me was there in my chart gave me the permission
to just fully do it. And then everything started to work,
like overnight, people started to pass my stuff around. I

(24:37):
met my wife within six months, I mean, things just
blew up. And it was because of that. I remember
the moment where she was like, well, the ruler of
your as sentence in the third House, and I was like, oh,
and it all just clicked. And I'd always wanted to write,
but I never thought I was smart enough. I didn't
think I was educated enough. I didn't think I was

(24:57):
able to do it. And it's literally one of the
things that changed my entire life. And it's right there,
plain as day in my chart. And I didn't see
it for like twenty years, wow, because I started looking
at astrology and understanding my chart at age twelve. Wow.
So but I didn't really I didn't really know what

(25:18):
I was looking because I didn't have traditional astrology. So
you know, when you meet your teacher also, everything really
starts to come into practice and into place. And so
when I met my astrology teacher and she taught me
this really ancient traditional way of doing astrology, it just
landed everything. And it was like this whole rubric that

(25:41):
was so clear and so concise and so specific and
so not about my intuition or not about you know,
what I felt about the chart or anything like that,
not about like oh I knew this scorpio once and
they did this. It's like really like no, if this
is here, this means this, Yeah, do this and see
what happened.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
So you're actually saying that astrology is guiding us when
you say purpose, But really you're talking about activity task
methodology like you said, writing, speaking, teaching. Yeah, those are
very occupational in that they are an activity that someone
can take out. Yes, so you're saying that astrology. Am

(26:22):
I right in saying that? You're saying astrology shares your
purpose and it defines purpose as activity of greatness?

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yes? And it can get more complex than that. So
say if the ruler of your ascendance in your eighth house.
The eighth house is a place of loss and grief
and mental anguish. It's also a place of inheritance and
other people's money, and there's a lot of things connected
to it. And so when you see somebody's you know,
when you see a significant placement in a part of

(26:53):
the chred that's really difficult, you have to wonder if
they've got there yet. But often when I see really
significant placements in difficult houses in the chart, I'll ask like,
are you are you a grief doulah? Are you someone
who does trauma informed counseling? Are you you know, do

(27:16):
you feel really receptive to other people's pain and suffering,
and so it's not as clear sometimes, Like sometimes it
is like you could go and study and be you know,
someone who does hospice work or something like that, if
that call to you. But sometimes it's a little bit
less specific. But it's very important still for that person

(27:41):
to be able to move towards that area of life
and know that the inklings that they have towards that
area of life are very much embedded in their life's purpose.
And I've just seen time and time again once they
once you take that action towards that that things just
start to open up and fall into place and then

(28:01):
you find your way to do that signature in your chart.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Can your astrology tell you whether you're going to be
a millionaire or a billionaire?

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Well, there's a famous quote attributed to JP Morgan that
says millionaires don't use astrology, but billionaires do. And it's
not clear if he actually ever said that, but he
worked with an astrologer, Evangeline Adams, for a very long
time and he was actually like a student of hers.
He got readings from her and she taught him and
so he used astrology to do his banking. So I

(28:34):
think that there are definitely signatures that can tell you
when somebody is really adapt at working with the material world,
and whether they engage with that or not is also
their choice. I see a lot of people that have
a lot of talents in their chart in their life

(28:55):
and they don't necessarily engage with it. You also have
to have the friction. You also have to have the
thing that spurs you into action to make use of
the gifts that you've got.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
But your astrology doesn't tell you whether you have that part.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, So your astrology could literally say you have talent,
but you have no spark.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Well, I wouldn't say that. I would say if someone
has a really like easy setup, I would say the
most important thing for you to do is to embrace
the struggles in your life. Is to like really lean
into what is going to challenge you and who is
going to challenge you, and what's going to help you

(29:35):
to struggle to find your own way and don't lean
on the things that are necessarily so easy.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
It's fascinating because I can think of so many people
in my life right yeah, And it's interesting that astrology also,
I assume, by what you just said right now, believes
in growth being critical for humans to live a great life.
I have a lot of friends you say to me,
and they're not speaking astrological and you're just speaking in
self awareness and they're saying, Jay, this is just who
I am. They're like, Jay, you're ambitious, you're driven. Yeah,

(30:03):
you know I'm not. Yeah, and so you know this
is just my life. And I'm like, well, I don't
know if I was always ambitious or driven. I feel
like there were skills I learned and habits I developed,
and there were coaches and mentors in my life who
taught me certain things. And you can build confidence and
you can build skill sets that allow you to live
a better life. And I don't just mean materially.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
I'm to me as well, yeah, And.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
They'll be like no, no, no, But you know some
of us are wired like you, and some of us
are not. So is that true? Is that?

Speaker 1 (30:32):
I mean, there's I think there's some truth to that. Okay,
to you, But I think you can choose to not
rest there, right, Like it's do you what do you
want from this life? It's really about that, Like are
those people happy or are they They're not snorrying, right,
but are they interested in their suffering enough to do
something to change it. And so what I'll look for

(30:54):
is time periods that will come along and kind of
put the pressure on and be like this you're gonna
if you haven't done your work, if you haven't individuated,
if you haven't really tried to build something in yourself
of your own efforts, then this period of time is
going to really be rough. But that's good for you.

(31:17):
You know, like Saturn will come along as a planet
of boundaries and structure, and it will come along and
hold you in place until you figure out how to
either find another way to move or to like lift
the weight that's on you enough times until you get
strong enough to move it completely. And Saturn's a planet

(31:41):
that you can also look at in terms of your
life cycles. So Saturn comes along every seven years and
does something really important. So at age seven, it comes
along and helps you to distinguish yourself a little bit
from your parents, helps you to find like your own
see and then at age fourteen, age fourteen's usually that's
called a Saturn opposition. It's usually a time where something

(32:01):
happens in our life. And you know, we're fourteen, so
it kind of makes sense. Psychologically speaking, but something happens
or we're like, wait a minute, this is what I want,
this is what you want, These are the expectations you
have on me. This is what And then at twenty
one we have another one and it's part of the
adult cycle. And then from twenty eight to thirty Saturn
closes the loop when we go through something called a

(32:23):
Saturn return, and that's where we move through our first
really big threshold where we move from whatever remnants of
being a child or whatever remnants of being a young
adult kind of like have to trickle away, and we're
asked to move and cross a threshold into our true
adulthood and to take responsibility for our decisions and our actions.

(32:47):
And so if you miss that, if you're like, nah,
it's gonna be harder and harder, and you'll have like,
in the next seven years, you'll have another moment of struggle.
And so that, like saying the seven year itch is
interesting because it is like a saddern cycle.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
And even in marriage, right, like, yeah, most divorces happen
at five to seven years.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Oh yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, it's that friction point.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Fascinating. Okay, well, you write in your book that our
chart isn't our fate, it's an invitation. And I think
this idea of fate and free will, and you mentioned
it earlier that what does astrology believe about fate and
free will? Do we have agency or is everything predetermined?

Speaker 1 (33:27):
You and I right now are in this city. We're
not in a city, We're not in France. We're here,
and so there's certain conditions here. We can't do everything here,
but we can do all the things in this city
that we can do. And so it's the same with
your chart. It's like you're given a landscape. What do

(33:47):
you want to do with that? How do you want
to approach it?

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:52):
And how do you want to work with these really
specific skills and this really specific setup.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah, it's almost like I was born in London. Yeah,
you were born in Canada. Yeah, and that created a
certain environment, Yeah, what was available. Yeah, I was aware
of what was possible. Yeah, but somehow I've ended up
in LA. You lived in la and you live in
New York now. And if someone told me all the
way up until the age of twenty eight, which is

(34:20):
when I moved to New York, if anyone told.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Me that in return.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah. If anyone told me up until that age that
I would ever live in any other place apart from
Northwest London, I wouldn't have believed it.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Wow, Oh, so you've left London at twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah. The first time I left was when I lived
in India for a period of my time as a monk,
and then I left when I came and lived in
New York first, and then now La. And so the
reason I'm bringing that up is to say that there
is more choice and free will and agency than we
sometimes think. When you're looking at astrology and you might

(34:53):
consider everything's predetermined.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah, yeah, Like I know, you know, I'll see like
harrowing Transit's come up for me, and I have to
be like, I'm not going to catastrophize this, but i
have to work against it. You know, it is just
a natural human thing. And then I'll live through it
and I'll be like, oh, that was totally different than
I thought, but it's so emblematic of what it was

(35:15):
and I absolutely needed to go through that. It's always
about like distancing yourself enough from the thing, from your
astrology chart, from the thing that you're going through so
that you can understand what life is trying to teach you.
So when people come to me and they're like really
in trouble or they're really in a lot of pain,

(35:39):
sometimes it can help to be like, yeah, this started
six months ago and it's going to last for like
another eight months. You're in the middle of it. You
know what it is? This is it?

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Like?

Speaker 1 (35:51):
How else too? How do you want to hold this?
How do you want to work with this? What is
this teaching you? Like, this might be some suffering, but
what else is here to teach you? Or what is
it here to teach you? What can you learn? And
if if I am struggling and I look and see

(36:13):
I'm in a challenging aspect, then I can be like, oh, okay,
then it's not just out of the bus. It doesn't
feel random, I think for some people. And so that's
the other side of like Murcury's retrogrades, something's going to
work out. We don't want to do that, but we
do want to use it and be like, Okay, it's
just a time period. It's just a cycle that we're

(36:34):
in that I'm in.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Does your astrology tell you who you're going to fall
in love with?

Speaker 1 (36:39):
No? It tells you, though, what you need out of
a relationship interesting, so it tells you the quality and
the nature of the person that you need. So for
me also, I didn't realize this until after I had
met my wife, but I really need somebody to like
work with me. I need someone to be like right,

(37:00):
need someone to partner with me in every single way possible.
And when we met, she just did that instantly. And
I was working with my teacher at that point, and
she pointed that signature in my chart out to me,
and I was like, oh, my god, that's what she does.
Like me and my wife met and I didn't even
know how to put a PayPal button on my website,

(37:20):
like on my blog, and she put it on there
in like two seconds, and I was just like, wow,
you're a magician. And we just became business partners like immediately,
and so then we grew this business together and then
we created an app, and you know, the rest is
kind of history. But she was an immediate partner for me.

(37:40):
And that is a very specifically accurate, you know, like
read of my chart, so you can see like what
kind of qualities and what kind of nature you need
from somebody.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Does it predict when you're going to fall in love.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
I mean, I'm sure those Vedic astrologers at the Ashtram
would say, yeah, there's certainly definitely timing techniques. There's like
ancient timing techniques for everything. I think that they're correct,
they don't necessarily I don't know if they'll always say,
like how long it will last. Some astrologers are excellent

(38:15):
at doing that, but I think that what's more important
is understanding yourself, understanding the qualities that you need in
a partner, and finding that energetic match with somebody else
before you really even touch the astrology. I don't know.
I think I'm not as interested in finding out when

(38:39):
something is going to happen in my life as I
am and understanding who I am and what I've got
to give this moment, and like what's possible here, Like
what could I what could I do with what I have?
Because I think that our agency is the greatest power
that we have, and so I again, I never want

(39:01):
the astrology to get in the way of you understanding
your agency. Yeah, so those predictions can be right, but
I don't know if they're helpful to know.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
I imagine though, that that's the kind of questions people
ask you, because when I talk to my friends who
go to astrologers, it's constantly to figure out, like when
am I going to meet the guy? Or you know,
when should I you know, when should I think about
selling my company? Or when should I start my company?
Or those are the questions that I'm hearing that they're asking,
and then they tell me what their astrologer said. Yeah,

(39:48):
and sometimes people be as specific as you should marry
someone whose name begins with ah and you'll probably meet
them in the next six months, or they'll get an
answer that's like, well, you're not going to find someone
for two years, yeah, and so what do you make
you're saying that that could be accurate, but you're saying
that's actually not the best use of astrology almost.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Well, that's that's up to you, right right, It's like,
what do you want to use it for. I don't
use it for that because I don't think that's helpful
for the people I work with.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Right.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
I think that picking a time to launch your business
is great. If you like, give me a time frame.
If you're like, I want to launch it in the
next three months, I'll give you the best day in
time within the next three months to launch.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Talk to me about that. So how is that calculated
and why is that important?

Speaker 1 (40:34):
You just look for the best signature within the timeframe
you're given. And what do you don't have like forever?
You just have like the timeframe. So people want to
get married, I'm like, well, what's the best day in
August to get married? And then I have to look
at a time that's like reasonable to get married. Like
I'm not going to say four in the morning. I'm
going to say I'm going to look for like any
evening period or an afternoon period, and then look to

(40:55):
see I want the conditions of the planets associated with
the event to be good. So a wedding, I want
venus to be good, and a venus is really not
in a great situation the month you want to get married,
then I'll look for something else, Like I'll ask you, like,
is it really do we have to do August? Could
we do July? Or is that totally out of the question.

(41:17):
And if it's out of the question, then it is
you just you have to live your life and how.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Does that impact the quality of a marriage or a business?

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Well, it is the the imprint of it. So it's
the launch of it. So it's the mark of it.
And so you don't want to play god with it.
You know, there's there's like there's problems with every moment
in time, there's problems with every chart. You just want
to look for something that's relatively auspicious.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Yeah, it's like trying to find a sunny day. Yeah,
it's like no one, no one, Like you don't want
to get married on a rainy day. Yeah, and so
you're trying to find like that's just a natural inkling.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
And so you're saying similarly on a planetree sun level,
you want to find a day that feels auspicious for
a better way. But yeah, you know you're trying to
find what a day that has good energy.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah, it has like a good coming together yeah of things.
It's got like a good a good picture to it.
And so you want to begin something if it's within
your control. You want to begin something with as much
on your side as possible.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Yeah, But then the thing you have to learn is
that's still up to you, Like that's yours to still learn.
You can pick the best astrology chart in the world,
but if the person you're getting married to isn't the
right person for you? Like, it's not gonna do that much.
Maybe the divorce will be better, Yeah, but it's still like,
you still have to live your life. You still have

(42:42):
to take the actions, you still have to do the
hard stuff. You still have to show up.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
What do you feel having helped so many people being
deep into this work, how have you seen astrology really
help people? Where is it truly change people's lives?

Speaker 1 (42:56):
I think it really truly changes people's lives when they
need the confirmation that their soul's purpose is what they
think it is. So like, I remember when I met
my wife, I refused to look at her astrology chart.
I didn't want to see it. I don't want to know.
So I sent her to my teacher and she got

(43:18):
a reading. And my teacher didn't know anything about her.
I looked at her chart and said, oh, your life's
work is in the realm of gender base violence. And
she was like yeah, But she was a banker at
the time and she wasn't valuing that part of her work,

(43:38):
even though it was something she had done since she
was sixteen, And that reading gave her the kind of
affirmation she needed to move fully towards it. And it's
one simple thing, you know, It's one thing that someone
says to you. And it's quite often at those junctures

(43:59):
in our life, we just need that one thing, that
one person to just hold that little bit of space
for us to say, yeah, you are there, it is.
It's plain as day, and then you can Then you
again have to go off and do all the work.
Astrology is not going to do the work for you.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Yeah, you have to act on that insight. Yeah, that
insight can be so reassuring and reaffirming totally, because everyone
else has been reminding you of the opposite ever since
you were born.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Right, We have a lot of obligations, we have a
lot of responsibilities. A lot of people want us to
be a certain way, not because they're bad people, but
just because of whatever conditions we're in. And astrology is
one tool that can help you to distinguish yourself and

(44:46):
really see yourself a lot more clearly. And so when
you do, I think if you're conscious, then you can
take action. Until we have consciousness around something, we don't
really have a lot choice, but once something comes into
awareness and consciousness, we then have choice. What am I

(45:06):
going to do with this information. How I'm going to
act is this mind to do something with And so
if you need that, then a good astrology reading should
be able to give you the shape of yourself in
a really clear and specific way, and then you get
to choose what you want to do with that information.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yeah. Absolutely. Do you believe in divine timing?

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, I mean I work in timing. It's like my
whole life, My whole life is timing, And yeah, I
really do, and I think that astrology is a part
of it. It'll tell you about your life cycles that
you're in, but you again have the agency to meet
those moments with your work and your effort and your consciousness,

(45:59):
and then you can and I think, speed up everything.
But that requires you to say yes to the things
that are yours to say yes to. It requires you
to say yes to your talents. It requires you to
say yes to your agency and then to fully fully
own it and everything that comes along with it, and

(46:22):
then move boldly in that direction. And then I think
that time starts to kind of meet you in a way.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
As I'm talking to you, I'm just thinking we're asking
all the wrong questions of the striges like I'm just
like when I think about all my friends and every
question they asked them, like, wow, we're asking bad questions
because there's just so much more and it's kind of
it just it's kind of like how you know, there's
that I don't know who've said this, but the whole
idea of how if aliens came down to Earth and

(46:51):
so uce all just staring at our phones and it'd
be like, why are you wasting life? And it almost
feels like that that what we're going to astrologists for
and what we want to use it for or seems
to be so rudimentary compared to what it truly can offer.
When as I'm talking to you, I'm like, wow, it
just feels so much bigger than that, and so much
deeper than that, so much more meaningful, and we're using

(47:14):
it to figure out like you know, am I going
to meet my person in three months? But that's because
that is our insecurity, Like that is what people are
struggling with, is really that question is actually the question
may not be ideal, but it's coming from a deep
rooted insecurity of am I lovable?

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:30):
And that's because through time, we have felt that we're
not lovable based on people we've dated, family experiences, So
to go back to that and expand my compassion, it's like, well,
actually the question we're asking is based on this deep
feeling of just not being loved, and therefore we're not
We're not really asking will I find love in three months?
We don't really care about them, but we're just like, well,

(47:50):
I ever find love is really the question I'm asking,
And I'd like to have it to happen tomorrow, Yeah,
because I would make my life better. How would you? Yeah?
So how would you i someone who is going through
that experience that I just mentioned to you when you're
reading their charts, and of course their chart is going
to say what it's going to say, which we you know,

(48:11):
you can help me hypothetically, but what happens?

Speaker 1 (48:15):
What do you if someone comes and they're really they're
just like you, Look, I got broken trying to make something.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, so like I got broken up with two years ago. Yeah,
I am still getting over it. I've been dating this guy.
I don't know if he's into me. I can't even tell,
but I just really want to settle down, Like I
just want to fall in love and get married and
have kids and have a great life. And I'm a
good person and I've got my career sword and that
seems to be going well.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
But every straight woman out there totally totally.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
And I have a lot of friends who are in
that position. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
I will anchor myself in what I'm feeling from them,
So I'll have the chart. But if what you're saying
is you're not over him or you're not over the
breakup yet, like what happened to you? What are you
still holding? Like that's when I just want a human
to human, Like there's the chart, but like, can we

(49:13):
just have a conversation about what you're holding right now?
And like that is a legitimate feeling of frustration and
despair and feeling like you're going to be left out
of a life cycle, like you know, you're not in it.
It's missing you, it's like passing you by, And that's

(49:36):
a real feeling, and it is also situated in a
greater context where there's a lot of people in your
similar situation that feel the same way, So you're also
not alone. It's your personal life, and it's also there's
a sense of like there's another thing happening, and then
I'll go to the chart and see what I can

(49:59):
talk about. I want to talk about the person that
I see in the chart that will be your partner,
and I want to talk about that and be really
specific about it. And then I want you to meditate
on that. I want you to sit And this is
from Catherine Woodward Thomas calling in the one one of
the best meditations that she ever gave me, and I've

(50:22):
given it to millions of people, is to sit in
meditation and just no thoughts about no specifics about like
who the person, what they look like, or what they
do for a living, none of that. What do they
feel like, what does their energy feel like? And what
do you feel like sitting across from them? And what
is that energetic match? And I just want you to

(50:43):
go out into the world and feel that who has
that energetic resonance for you and who doesn't. So there's
the things you can get into, all the details in
the chart, but then there's just the like, let's just
be human and just acknowledge that what you're carrying right
now it's really hard, and that loneliness is really real.

(51:06):
And I don't want to diminish that at all. And
all I know that you have in terms of your
agency is to yes, work on yourself and develop yourself,
but also just to like be with it. You know.
Like I was thirty eight when I met my wife,
I had had a bajillion relationship. I was like, I'm

(51:26):
just going to be alone forever. I had totally given
up on it. And then it was like I walked
out of that life and into a totally different life.
And that can feel like a setup to you to
say to people, because you know, it's like, I feel
like I got really lucky to meet her in this
lifetime and it's a really, I feel like, a really

(51:48):
rare special relationship. And I also did everything I could.
I did every course, I did everything under the sun,
and then I did just kind of like let it go.
And when I met my teacher and when I started
to feel like I was meeting my life's calling and
my purpose, I did everything I could to anchor myself

(52:10):
to that. And I do feel like there was some
kind of synergy there. So everyone has some kind of
story like that, and each of ours are so specific.
And I always say to people, what if you don't
meet them for another fifteen years, Like I don't know,
maybe you'll meet them tomorrow, but what if you don't,

(52:31):
how are we going to make sure you live a
full and beautiful, loving life? And like you've got tons
of relationship and tons of intimacy and joy and bliss
and fun, Like what do you actually need to do
to feel like you aren't holding yourself back from life
because somebody else hasn't shown up yet? We have no
control over I feel like the moment my wife was

(52:54):
ready to meet me, she appeared like out of thin air,
and like a day before it just wasn't ready. And
I'm older than her, and so it was like I
was like, oh my god, like I am that's it,
Like I've lost I'm too old now, or you know
all the things that come with being out of sync
in those kinds of ways. So we each have our

(53:16):
own journey. We don't know why it is, and yes,
the chart will speak to it, but I first and
foremost want to hold you as a human and acknowledge
what you're struggling with. And then that's a real struggle
and those are real fears.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Can people miss the love of their life success that
moment because they weren't prepared at the right time.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Gosh, that's I I think that for me, I have
certainly done things to delay my own success and my
own arrival. I have burn bridges. I have done things

(54:06):
in the past that I look back on and I'm like,
oh my god. But I was so full of insecurity.
I felt so unlovable, I felt so all the things
that I didn't know how else to act. I was
coming with my best and it wasn't meeting the situation.
So in one way, it's like, well, I wasn't ready
for it, and I had to learn and grow and

(54:26):
you know, really like kind of wrestle with life and learn,
and so I wasn't quite ready for it. But I
don't know if you can miss it. I don't know.
I think I feel like that's kind of fatalistic. I
just feel like when you that you you won't catch
the other relationships maybe or the other job opportunities, Like

(54:50):
you will lose some stuff if you don't know how
to show up for it. But it doesn't mean that
it won't come back and different.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
It doesn't mean it would never exist. Yeah, it means
be delayed.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Yeah, and then you got to wait for the next
best to come. Yeah, and then you got to like
figure out what you're doing with yourself. Are you going
to read a book? Are you know to waste your
time on TikTok? I don't know, Like what are you
going to do in the in between?

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Yeah, there's astrology believe in the idea of the one
that there's one perfect person for you, or that there
are many people who it could work with.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
I don't think it doesn't have that kind of judgment.
It looks at the chart, like you can see when
someone will have multiple significant partnerships. You can see when
people have multiple children. You can see like there's a
there are ways of seeing those things. And then there's
you know, it's really important for us to understand like

(55:43):
how how we work, right, So, like if I understand
how I work, then every relationship I'm showing up to
is going to have a greater potential for me to
learn from. And so the one I don't know, like
every everyone that I'm in a relationship with is so
important to my life and my understanding. Like every single friend,

(56:07):
everyone in my company, everyone teaches me so much because
I'm always learning about how I'm dealing with another human
being given the conditions I'm dealing with the men. So
I think everyone is the one that we're if we're
in a relationship and we're in contact, like that's it.
And then there are these people like no one else

(56:30):
in my life made me feel seen the way my
wife did. Ever, no one got me. I don't trust
anyone like I trust her. Like her talent, her her instincts,
her intuition, her knowledge, her wisdom is for me just unparalleled.
So the synergy between us when we met was just undeniable.

(56:52):
There was too many things that happened that were like
that was how did you know that I was going
to say that? Or how you pulled that book out?
I was going to give it to you. You know.
There was just so many things that occurred that I
was like, this is bigger than the two of us.
This is something else. This is a third thing, and
that is so unique and so special that you might

(57:16):
call that the one. And that's fine if that's the language.
I just think it's really important to recognize when those
things occur. There's some people that come into your life
and they just change the entire trajectory of it. I've
had teachers like that and I've had, you know, this
relationship that has been like that, and everybody else was

(57:38):
really helpful. You know what I did, it was you
know I did it was fine. But this is a
distinct category in and of itself. I think when and
that's my calling, like that's my life story. I know
people that don't have that story. They have a different story.
And so some people's one is there or their art

(58:01):
they're calling like that's their one, and that's beautiful, And
I just I want us to live in like a
village full of really distinct different humans that do life
in all kinds of different ways, so that we can
share childcaren.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Not everyone should have children, not everyone should get married,
you know, like someone us should live on the outskirts,
some of us should live in the center. Like some
of us are cooking for everybody. Some of us are
teaching someone.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Your astrology tell you that's better for you? Like does
astrology predetermined whether you're gonna have kids or not?

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Like I've had a atic nostrology tell me that I
wasn't gonna have kids, and I do.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
How do you how so, how do you reconcile that
someone who practices who believes.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
In I understand why he said that, and yet it's
not true. So it's like it's a certain condition in
my chart and it's like not great for having kids,
and you could I mean, I'm queer, so the way
we had a kid is different than how heterosexuals have kids.
So if he was trying to look at my chart

(59:07):
through a heterosexual lens, then yes, he's right.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
But interesting, you know.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
So it's really about the astrologer and where they're coming from.
I've had an astrologer look at my chart and be like,
I don't know how you're ever going to find love, Like,
basically you're doomed.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
So how do you reconcile that?

Speaker 1 (59:24):
I was like, that's a really awful thing to say
to somebody. That's not helpful. Even if you think that's
true and you think you're right, I don't know how
that's ever going to help me. So, as an astrologer
or a coach or a therapist, even if my person
in front of me takes it all with a grain
of salt, I have a tremendous responsibility to be very

(59:46):
encouraging of somebody's best to come forth. I don't need
to make them feel doomed. Everybody already does feel doomed,
like we already go there. So what can I do
to help fortify that person, to help them find their power,
their creativity, their special thing in this life and to

(01:00:09):
move from that place. I need to make you feel
like you've got a lack of anything. And I also
don't need to predict everything correctly that you're ever going
to do and say and be. I want that to
be part of the mystery of who you are. I
just think that you have, like I don't know, when

(01:00:29):
I see somebody's chart, I'm so fascinated, like I'm like,
oh my god, you have this thing and you do
this thing, and it's the exact replica of you're living
it out. You don't even know it, but it's the
exact signature. Like that's so beautiful to me. So my
work is mostly incredibly awe inspiring because I don't have
people coming to me with questions of like when am

(01:00:51):
I going to meet the one? I really do have
people coming to me with questions of like, Okay, I've
done this huge career and now I'm met this their
place and I'm wondering what else there is or you know, yeah,
or I'm in this really dark, hard place and I
feel like the world's turned against me, and I'm like,

(01:01:12):
I'm in that kind of crucible place. And then I
get to be like, yes, I see that, and I'm
with you, and like, this is part of your journey
and I know you've got what it takes to move
through this, and I just want to witness that with you.
Like I get to witness people's awareness and healing and
their journey and their gifts, and I get to remind

(01:01:35):
them of how powerful they are. You know, people like
I'm sure you have this too, but like people with
extraordinary like talent and success doubt themselves so much. I'm
like you too. You struggle with this insecurity, You struggle
with this self doubt. Wow, it's just the human condition. Yeah,
you know, it's incredible that we're so alike in that place.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
But there's so much to what you've said about the
adeptness of the practitioner, Like the practitioners that you met
that told you, hey, you could doomed, you're never going
to find love or whatever it may be. Like, I
was thinking about it because I think the often skepticism
is well, if everyone's telling you different things. Then it's
not an exact science and there can't be truth to
it then, and I was thinking about even medically, like

(01:02:23):
I remember this is a long time ago now, but
a doctor checked my throat because I felt I had
a soort throat. But it was really bad. I was
like losing my voice. It was painful. And he said, yeah,
you got a sore throat. Just take antibiotics or whatever,
and I took them. Four weeks later, it was really
bad and I went to the doctor. I went to
an E and T surgeon, Iano's throat surgeon to be

(01:02:46):
really clear, and he immediately said to me, he goes,
you've had polyps growing in your throat for at least
X amount of months I can't remember. And I was like,
wait a minute, I literally just got to check four
weeks ago. And he goes, no, these are produnctulated polyps, big,
like they couldn't have grown in four weeks. And so
I'm like, I met a doctor who wasn't an expert,
who didn't who was a doctor but didn't have the

(01:03:08):
right tools or whatever you want to call it. And
then I met a surgeon who was very adept at
his job and immediately saw what the problem was and
I was in surgery and had to get the polyps
lasered from my throat. But all of that to say,
I think sometimes people look at astrology and it's got oh, well,
if three people said three different things, then obviously there's
no truth the actual thing. But that's not correct because,

(01:03:28):
like you're saying, there's so much left to interpretation, cultural understanding,
you know, disposition of what does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
And that what I'm saying in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
No, I understand what you're saying. I think if astrology works,
the three astrologers should come up with the same yeah thing,
the same reading. And that's part of why we made
an app, because my theory is if it works, you
should be able to pull up your chart in my
app and get some kind of guidance from it and

(01:04:02):
feel seen, feel witnessed, and feel like, oh, I make
sense to myself, just because the technology of the astrology
is sound when it's used well. And I think that
you know, we're humans, and so you have to take
that into account that when you're going to another human
for advice or for their expertise, you're going to have

(01:04:25):
your own relationship with them, you're going to walk into
the room and they're going to have a reaction to you,
and it's up to them whether they deal with that
in a productive way or not.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Yeah, so many people talk about satin return.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Yeah, what is it? Actually, it's when Saturn comes back
to the same place it was when you were born.
And because Saturn is the planet that, to the naked
eye is the last planet in our little solar system,
it was thought is such a big moment because every
twenty eight years you go through this closing of a loop.

(01:05:00):
Between the age of twenty seven ish twenty eight, twenty
seven to thirty, you go through this kind of closing
of a door and a threshold experience into a new
stage of life. Saturn is the planet of responsibility and
of adulthood, and it's also the planet that's of mortality.

(01:05:21):
It's like, hey, I'm the time lord, Like, you don't
have all the time in the world. So at thirty
you should be going through some kind of crisis, some
kind of like, oh, I guess I'm going to get
old too, And you should also be doing things that
require everything from you. Saturn is a planet of discipline

(01:05:43):
and hard work, and so this is the time to
put your money where your mouth is, to like be
in the game fully and to again own your choice
and to say I chose to do this. And it's
also a planet of separation. So in some way, shape
or form, we usually separate from our family of origin.

(01:06:03):
Maybe that's psychologically, maybe it's physically. Maybe we get married,
maybe you know, some kind of big life transition happens
at that time that distinguishes us from our family of origin.
Not that we're not still part of it, and we
can still be living at home even well and you know,
for the rest of our lives. But there's something here
that's like, I have to build a really solid foundation

(01:06:26):
in the world that is mine, that is apart from
the thing that I come from, or apart from the
convenience or the comfort of the people that you know.
Hopefully you have people that love you and you can
really and fall back on them, but you need to
understand that you can go out there and do something
for yourself, or that you can separate in the ways

(01:06:48):
that you need to separate psychologically, emotionally, sometimes physically sometimes months.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
That's not a negative thing at all, that's really good.
Then why do we talk about it in such a has.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
The Internet because people are like, oh, my side in
return was awful, and then they blame everything on the
side and return. But a said in return should be
a time of a kind of like again, discipline, awareness, strictness,
almost like severity sometimes but also like so much joy,

(01:07:19):
like in my side and return. I moved to la
and I was I didn't know anybody here, I didn't
have any money, I didn't have any contacts, I didn't
have anything. And I was like elated. I really did
walk out of my life. I was living in Toronto
and I left and I started this whole new chapter

(01:07:40):
here and it was on my own terms. And I
had to really prove myself to myself that I could
do this. And there were days where I didn't have
anybody to call, and there were financial struggles and I
didn't have a car, and like it was a whole thing,
but I did it and that no one could ever

(01:08:01):
take that away from me. And as much as I
believe in community, and I believe that we shouldn't live
in an individualistic kind of culture, we have to do
those things that help us understand what we're made of,
that help us understand, like put me anywhere and I'll
figure it out. That's how I function at least, And

(01:08:21):
so that happens that there's a version of that that
happens at seven, at fourteen, at twenty one, and then
at like twenty eight ish. That's the big one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
I can relate to every single thing you just said. Yeah,
every single thing you said. It's so vivid for me.
It's like fourteen. I mean, this is small, but I
remember at fourteen that's like the age in England that
you decide what you're going to study for, Like, oh,
you do it quite early. So I remember like find
with my parents about what I wanted to focus on,

(01:08:50):
and I won and did what I wanted to do.
And that's when I first felt confidence in who I was,
in my ability. And then twenty one, going on twenty two,
I decided to go live as a monk. Oh my god,
that was a big decision. And then twenty eight I
moved to New York and I was in New York
for two years going through exactly what you said when
you moved to LA. Yeah, and it's amazing how that tracks.
And yeah, thirty eight, so I've been through thirty five

(01:09:12):
as well. Yeah, which yeah, you plan amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
But you planned a seed at the sad and return
cycle of your own selfhood, of your own adulthood. Like,
I'm going to stake a claim here. Maybe this is hard,
maybe it sucks, maybe I'm lonely, but I'm doing this
and this is my choice. And then by the time
you get to thirty six, you're at that next first
quarter square and you get to see what worked, Like

(01:09:39):
what from that seed that you planted at around thirty
is growing and then you're like, Okay, I'm either going
to double down on that now or it's not a
viable option. And so it's this really i think, really
helpful kind of growth cycle, which.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Is so important because we almost look at all the
wrong ages. Yeah, like if you look at the material
take on it, it's like we look obviously, we look
at like sixteen or eighteen, becoming an eighteen becoming an
adult like sweet sixteen birthday, eighteen, become an adult. Twenty one, Sure,
you graduate, so that feels on track, but then it
almost was like after twenty one, no one cares. And

(01:10:16):
then it's like I'm thirty and I'm forty, and then
you're just scared about you know, the next decade. Yeah,
so it's it's less about growth, it's less about I
loved what you were saying about. How like from twenty
eight to thirty that whole idea was, I'm locking in.
I choose what I focus on, the discipline, the grit.
I mean, I can relate to every single one of

(01:10:36):
those things.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
I have to put I have to invest in myself.
So we're talking about those people earlier that maybe have
a really easy situation if they don't do that sad
in return thing and they just kind of fall back
on what's easy. Then at thirty six it gets harder,
and then again at like the early forties it does too,

(01:10:57):
and it's it's saturn is also this like market can
feel depressive until again you kind of start to work
towards well, what is the discipline that I need in
order to do this? But some of us really like
thrive on discipline, and some of us really have a
hard time with it. You know, there are signatures in
the chart. I have some friends like this that they're

(01:11:20):
just so good at having fun, and so it's hard
to like gather them and to like help them to
focus because part of the signature of their life is
to like enjoy things, and then you have to kind
of like work against that somewhat.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
So if someone's about to enter their SAT in return, yeah,
what would you recommend they do?

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Do the things that are hard, that are going to
that are going to require everything from you, that are
going to be worthwhile in the long run, Like what
is going to be satisfying to you seven years from now?
Do not think about instant gratification. Do not this is
not a social media game, Like this is about if

(01:12:18):
you only had seven years left, what would you do,
Like what do you want to make sure you've left here?
And what would move you deeper into your integrity so
that you were proud of even having attempted it. And
if it's not that serious, then it's not really either

(01:12:41):
part of your side and returner. It's not going to
last for that long. And so if it's a lot
of times people will get to that age and you'll
start to see their life crack because they've spent their
twenties in an industry that maybe wasn't the industry of
their dreams or that took everything from them, and they
realize it's not really they're calling and so they've been

(01:13:03):
locked in this maybe like corporate thing, or they've been
locked in this other, you know, relationship, and you start
to feel the cracks show at around twenty eight, twenty
nine thirty. And so this is your chance. This is
like a portal of time. I mean, any day is
your chance. But this is a time where the pressure
and the gravity of what doesn't feel good in your

(01:13:24):
life will become really acute. So if you're fearing your
sadder return, you're actually fearing the truth of your situation,
and you're fearing confronting what you actually need to do
and the work it will take to do it. And
that's fine. You can fear it, but you can also

(01:13:46):
just like embrace it and move into it and be
okay with I think you also have to be okay
with being alone, going it alone. You have to be
okay with doing something that wasn't expected. You have to
be okay with disappointing people. It's a time where you're
supposed to learn about boundaries. And so if you can't

(01:14:10):
have a boundary with yourself, which is to say I
will not abandon myself, then it's going to be really rough.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
But if you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Promise that you will not abandon yourself, You will not
abandon your gifts and your talents and your inner knowing.
Then the Sad and Return will really set you on
a course that feels like liberation because it's stripping you
down and being like, it's this or it's going to
be like what pain do you want to choose? You

(01:14:44):
want to choose the pain of choosing the thing you
know you need to choose, or do you want to
choose the pain of denying that? And that's kind of
the crossroads that the Sade and Return finds us at.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
You have totally redefined my perspective of Oh good, it's
so much more powerful. Well, yeah it is. It's so powerful,
it's so empowering, it's so clear. So it's better than
it's so clarifying to know what you need to focus
on and what this period of life is about, and
also just like the willingness to get on with it

(01:15:17):
and build and you know, create and yeah. The other
word that's thrown around is mercury retrograde.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Yeah, And so I was like, so what is mercury retrograde?

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
And how does it actually affect you?

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Yeah, it's very common, it happens three to four times
a year for three weeks a year, three weeks each time,
so that's like at least nine weeks a year out
of fifty two it's going to be retrograde. So because
it's so common, it is so prevalent, and it is
so misunderstood. So please Clary, I wish no one ever

(01:15:51):
mentioned Mercury retrograde because I think it's the main reason
why people hate astrology, because someone at the office will
be like, I told you, everything is going to go
wrong because Mercury's retrograde. It is a planet of communication
and is the planet that can rule every and we,
you know, rely on gadgets and technology, and that's all

(01:16:13):
the ways in which we communicate. So there's some very famous,
you know, things that have happened during a Mercury retrigrade
with tech companies that are kind of comical. I'm sure
they're really difficult for the people that are working in them.
But for like sites to go down and for communication
to be bumpy is what is supposed to happen during
Mercury retrigrade. But it becomes this catch all for everything.

(01:16:37):
It becomes a catch all for everybody's every emotion, it
becomes a catch all for every single thing going wrong
ever in the universe, and so then it loses its definition,
and it loses its specificity, and it loses its meaning.
So it's something really common that happens. And what it's
trying to teach us is stop, pause and turn and

(01:17:00):
around and look at what just happened. Review where you
just came from. Review the document? Do you need to
send that text? Like, it's a good time to practice,
even whether or not you believe in astrology, it's just
like a good time to practice mindfulness and thoughtfulness and reflection.

(01:17:21):
And that's really what it's about, or it's supposed to
be about. It's just like a good time to be reflective.
And I find that I also have a tech company,
so I think that sometimes we feel it a little
bit more acutely than other people. If something's going to break.
It generally does break during my career, and I hate
it because I'm always telling people it's not you know, like,

(01:17:42):
don't make such a big deal about it, and then
I'm like, oh my god, here it is again. But
what I also find having a team, and this is
for you know, we all have a team, whether it's
a family or housemates or business or whatever. Is that
the team, whatever the team's working on, like the system
that we've put in place to work on a project together.
If there's cracks in that system, it'll reveal itself and

(01:18:04):
I'll be like, oh, well, we didn't put this thing
in place, so then the thing went out completely wrong,
and why didn't we have that system in place? And
everyone's like, I thought you were doing it. I thought.
And so you tend to find the ways in which
we haven't systematized something in our life.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
That's so interesting. I love that. Yeah, And that's the
way it's more sustainable, sustainable solution, yes, because if you
figure out the system, then the next time my key
is in retrograde, the same thing can't break right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
And it's just like for life. You're like, oh, well
this was always going to break. Yeah, so it just
broke now because it's time for it to break. But
this was never going to work long term, so I can't.
I'm not going to get mad at the planet. I'm
going to be like, Okay, where else at my life
am I not paying attention to this thing? Where else
in my life am I not seeing that? Like this
system doesn't work or there's there's a malfunction here and

(01:18:58):
I need to adjust way in which I'm approaching it.
And also it's just a really good time to think,
like how am I communicating to the people in my
life that I work with? Like are they receiving? Are
they hearing me? Am I saying things that are getting
the message across? Like what do you need me to

(01:19:21):
say more of? Or what do I say to you
that like shuts you down? What do I say to
you that makes you feel small? Or do I say
things to you that make you feel a certain way
that I don't want to do that, but I might
be doing it unconsciously. So it's a good time to

(01:19:41):
also think about the ways in which we speak to
each other. And I think because our culture is so
like go, go, go and forward forward, these are just
invitations to be more reflective and consider it of what
we're saying and how we're saying it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Do you think some we use shots and signs as
an excuse for our bad behavior?

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
Always, he sadly, always, I wish, I wish, I wish
we didn't do it, because I I it's not what
it's about. It's never it's never the reason why someone's
acting badly interesting. It's not because they're sign It's because
a need isn't being met, or you know, there's some

(01:20:26):
they're dysregulated, or you know, there's something else happened before
they walked in here. They might do it in a
certain style that might be in accordance with what you
think their sign means, but it's not that as humans
were always looking for patterns, and of course as an astrologer,
I love to look at patterns because I look at
cycles and I try to see, like, oh, what happened

(01:20:48):
three hundred years ago when Pluto was an Aquarius. Oh,
we had an industrial revolution. Oh Pluto just went back
into Aquarius in March or twenty twenty three. Oh that's
when chat Chibt exploded onto the scene. Like that isn't
another industrial And there's a million signatures that you can
look at like that. So it's interesting to see like
these big cycles. But because humans always want to find

(01:21:09):
pattern recognition, what we tend to focus on is like
that Gemini broke my heart, and so I'm going to
see that characteristic in every other Gemini that I ever meet,
you know, And that's I just don't think it's helpful.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
We often hear about how Satin signs are compatible and
Satain signs are not based on what you just said.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Awful advice, no good. Every sign is compatible, no way.
There are specific ways in which the signs will really
like say, so when people talk about that, they're often
talking about their sons sign. So that's again one tiny
part of someone's whole entire chart. I really want to

(01:21:51):
look at the moment that you were born. You have
this full picture of the sky, and the moment they
were born, there's a full picture of the sky. How
do those two pictures lineup? Because there's all those different points.
I need to know if you're what style is your venus?
What style is their venus. There's no bad combination of

(01:22:11):
venus signs. There's just styles like your style of being
your sun sign and my style of being My son
sign will have a relationship in a certain way, but
that's also obviously based on us. But it's it's not
about there being good and bad matches. There's about being
there's certain resonances with certain signs, but you shouldn't be

(01:22:34):
with somebody just because there's ease, Like that's silly. And
it really is about the whole entirety of somebody and
their chart and the whole entirety of you and your chart,
and how those full two things go together. But I
don't think you should look at somebody's chart until you know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Them, because we'll make assumptions.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Yeah, I think there's such a nagativity bias that we
have obviously naturally as humans. Yeah, as soon as you
hear like you said, oh my last X was a germinal, Yeah,
this one is too, or oh the chart said this.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Yeah, this is what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. I
just don't think it's helpful when you're trying to meet
somebody and get to know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
That when you're dating, you'd suggest we actually just date
the person.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Yes, I would love that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
If we happen to like them and things are getting
more serious and we believe in astrology and value it,
then that should come later.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Yeah. Then you can see like, okay, where do we
come together, like what are the things that we would
be good at doing together? Or you would just probably
notice like oh yeah, that is what we naturally do together.
How cool that that is reaffirmed in our charts. But
I think you should always come to a first date
or a situation where you might be meeting someone and

(01:23:52):
really again try to feel what it feels like to
be with them. What is the energy between you? Do
you feel safe? What is your body saying? Like? What
are they telling you? What are the little things they're
telling you that you would normally not listen to? Are
their red flags? Like, there's a million things to look
at and pay attention to before you get to an

(01:24:15):
astrology chart.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Can astrology charts tell you about some of the long
term red flags?

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
Yeah? Yeah? Like what yeah, like where you'll have like
communication issues down the road, where like your venuses, Like
are my venus is in a certain sign? Your venus
isn't a certain sign. So if it's really different or
if they don't have a relationship with one another, then
we're going to have to work to kind of like

(01:24:42):
connect it. You know, there's things that will eventually aggravate
you about any person that you're with long term, and
those differences and disparities are in the charts, but they're
also in the relationships, so you know what they are.
The chart will just kind of confirm them that those
are differences and this these are where you come together,

(01:25:04):
and this is where you kind of go your separate ways,
or this is where you will generally tend to like
miss each other. Like my wife and I have very
different incompatible charts, and a lot of things just don't
go together. There's obviously places where it's like full harmony,
but then there's places where we're just like kind of
alien to each other almost. And it's not that I

(01:25:27):
don't relate to those parts of her, she doesn't relate
to those parts of me. It's just we do it
so differently. Yeah, and that's what makes our relationship, you know.
It's like, oh, that's what she's doing the thing, or
I'm doing the thing, and that makes me have to
struggle to like appreciate and understand somebody else. And there's

(01:25:48):
always going to be that disparity in any relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Yeah, I can agree with.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
I feel like we always want everything easy and simple
and prepackaged, and it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Well, yeah, I can agree more. It's almost like that
balance between it shouldn't be excruciating or torture you obviously,
and then it can't ever be fully seamless and easy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
Yeah, that's only when we're first born, hopefully with our
parents you know, like if that, if that, Yeah, most
of us don't even have that, But that's what we're
I feel like, trying to get back to that totally,
that total union, and that's not what being a human is.
We have to separate from each other, and we have
to find those places of difference.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Yeah, as it's coming up to the end of the year,
and people maybe looking back and thinking this year didn't
go the way they wanted to, Maybe they didn't make
the progress in their career that they wanted. Maybe their
relationship is just about surviving. Maybe they haven't found a
partner that they're looking for. How would you encourage them

(01:26:52):
to release this year so that they can truly move
into the next year with a healthier mindset and approach.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
I think that one of the things that's important to
remember about this time of year, at least in the
Northern hemisphere, is that we're moving into more and more darkness.
We're moving away from the great activity of summer, and
we're moving into the quietness and the stillness, which again
is hard for most of us because life is so busy,

(01:27:22):
But I think it's really important to allow yourself to
think about this frame of time, especially as we move
closer to the winter solstice as being a time where
we're just allowing a waning of energy to occur, and
we're allowing that waning of conscious activity to help us

(01:27:42):
transition into a place of stillness and regeneration. And then
if we don't allow those times of release, like if
the year was hard, it was hard for I think
most people in a lot of different ways, a lot
of different places, And so if we don't allow certain times,

(01:28:05):
especially at the end of the year, to unwind and
to fully kind of just like let it be like
whatever this year has been for you, that happened, it
impacted you, what is it that you're left with now,
and just allowing some days, especially you know in December,

(01:28:27):
especially as we move towards the twenty first of December
the solstice, to just be with what was Who were
you at the beginning of last year? Who are you
now at the end of this year, and have those
moments of reflection, because you know, like the year will
change and things will open up and it'll be busy, busy, busy,

(01:28:50):
and it'll be a lot of things. But astrologically speaking,
twenty twenty five was one of those like game changing
years where all of these major planets changed signs, and
so it was a signal that this year was going
to be very different than years that we've had in
the past, and there was going to be things that

(01:29:10):
were going to happen this year that we're going to
impact us for decades to come. So if you feel
like you haven't been able to do all the personal
things that you wanted to do, yes, like we're in
the midst of a massive transition and a lot of change,
and so you're also caught up in a greater cycle

(01:29:31):
of things right We're in a collective thing right now,
and so the world is working and looking differently, and
so allowing yourself time to just reflect and not even
so much with your mind, but just like allowing your
body to decompress in any way, shape or form, to

(01:29:55):
just deal with the impact of what this year has brought,
I think is a huge gift to yourself and allowing
yourself some time again if you don't have kids, allowing
yourself some time to write, to reflect, and to reset,
like you can reset, we can take a pause, we

(01:30:16):
can you know, turn the off switch off, like let
it drop down and give yourself a minute to be
a human. Yeah, and just like let the reckoning kind
of happen, but allow yourself to be humane and just

(01:30:36):
be as much as you can. It's the gift of darkness,
It's the gift of winter, It's the gift of this
time of year. Is to just like less and less
and less and less, because it'll all come back and back,
come back, come back. So any of that stillness, anytime
you can get out of nature, anytime you can gaze
up at the sky, anytime you can really truly be

(01:30:59):
present with your people, like hopefully there's gatherings and hopefully
there's you know, places of warmth and connection in your life.
Just let yourself be filled back up. If this year
has been disappointing, do what you can to fill yourself
back up at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
And are there any habits or practices you recommend people
take into the new year or to set themselves up
for that new year to make it different.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
Yeah, so I do have, you know, like we have
on the app, We've got readings for the new year.
You can map out your whole year if you want
to use astrology, I go through each month and tell
you about the energy and the pattern of that month
and like this month is like go time. This month
is going to look a little clustered and a little
bit more difficult to like we can do this and

(01:31:48):
this and this. So every week I give you specific
things to do. I'm quite action orientated and also reflective,
but I do like to say, Okay, this is what
this time is good for, this is what we can do.
And so I go through each month. So you could
always listen to all those readings and kind of plan
out your month or your year month to month. And

(01:32:09):
there is a ritual for the solstice that we have
on the app because I think it is a really
powerful moment. It's the obviously the longest night and shortest day,
but from there the light starts to increase. So any
intentions that you set or anything you do around the solstice,
if you think in terms of cycles, brings the ever

(01:32:33):
increasing light with it. So it's a really good time
to think of allow yourself to move into stillness and
get really contemplative, fill yourself up, and then see what
are my intentions for this year? And plant those intentions
by writing them. You can burn them if you want,
gather with friends, talk about them. How are you going

(01:32:55):
to bring life into your intentions, like what are you
going to You want to again, clear space, get clear
about it, write them down, understand what it is you're
moving towards, and then what are you going to do?
And we got to we have to feed those We
have to feed those intentions then every day. But if

(01:33:15):
you want to think of it symbolically, the winter solstice
is that time when the light just continues to grow
into the next six months, So you could use that
as an encouragement.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Annie, you have completely expanded my viewpoint, opened my mind
in an incredible way, and answered so many hopefully not
stupid questions. I've learned so much, and I really am
so happy that for your success and your ability to
help so many people, because I can easily tell from

(01:33:46):
sitting with you for the past couple of hours that
everything you're doing is coming from a great place but
also is truly trying to guide people towards their greatness
and their best self. And you know through through all
your Maaze teachings and studies and research that you've done
so thank you so.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
Much, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
That's your joy. We end every episode of On Purpose
with a final five Yes, these questions have to be
answered in one word, one sentence.

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
Word okay, do you have a sentence?

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
You have a centence? Okay, so Chinnie Nichols. The are
your final five. The first question is what is the
best advice you've ever heard or received?

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
If you choose it, do not feel sorry for yourself
about it. Your agency is your greatest gift and your
greatest power. The moment you feel sorry for yourself, you
decouple yourself. You do yourself the greatest disservice. If you
choose it, do not feel sorry for yourself about what

(01:34:44):
it takes to make it happen. You can unchoose it,
but if you're choosing it, this is what it is.
Do you still want it?

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
Such a great answer. I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:53):
So many questions so good.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
No, that was great. That was great. I loved it.
Second question, what is the worst advice you've ever heard
or received?

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
Someone telling me they didn't know how I was ever
going to find love. I don't know if that's advice,
but yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
Question number three, does astrology tell you when you're going
to die?

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
There are ancient timing techniques that do I do not
dabble in those arts.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
Tell me, tell me more about the arts. You don't
double it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
I don't want to know about. There are timing techniques,
there's like mathematical equations you can do, there's ways that
you can tell that there are people. Very few most
astrologers would say, I don't won't do that because I don't.
I don't. That's not Ay, that's not an art form
that I need to look at. It's above my pay grade.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
Yeah, got it. Question number four, what's a misconception about
astrology that you'd like to debunk?

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
That there are certain signs that are good or bad.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
They're all bad.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
Yes, they're all problematic.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
Explain what's the right answer.

Speaker 1 (01:36:10):
Well, everyone, every single sign is an archetype. So the
archetype is both has qualities of both like magnificence and
horror because they're reflective of us. So everyone's a problematic. Fave.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
Fifth and final question. We asked this to every guest
who's ever been on the show. If you could create
one law that everyone in the world had to follow,
what would it be.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
I've listened to a lot of your episodes. I don't
remember this question.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Oh it's always lost. Okay, so you're living Yeah, exactly,
that's what I'm learning, Channi.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
Yeah, the law is that everybody's child is yours.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
M I love that answer. That's a great answer. Never
had that before. That's brilliant. The book is called You
Were Born for This. The it's called the Channey App
Channey Nickels. Everyone, please share what you learned on your
Instagram stories, your tiktoks. I'd love to see the clips
that you all create and the parts of this that

(01:37:11):
you're going to practice. Of course, use the app if
you're someone who really wants to know your chart and
understand how your next year of twenty twenty six is
going to map out. And of course go and grab
Chanes's book You Were Born for This Astrology for Radical
Self Acceptance, and follow Channey Nickels across all social media
platforms if you don't already. Channy, thank you so much

(01:37:31):
for being here today. I hope this is the first
and many times that you'll come on the show and
light them me in our community. And so grateful for
you and thank you for asking answering all the questions
wherever we went. So grateful to connect with you. Thank
you so much, Thank you. If you love this episode,
you love my conversation with doctor Joe Dispenser on why

(01:37:52):
stressing over thinking negatively impacts your brain and heart and
how to change your habits that are on autopilot it
right now. How many times do we have to forget
until we stop forgetting and start remembering.

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
That's the moment of change. No one cares how many
times you fell off the bicycle if you ride the bicycle.
Now you ride the bike.

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