Tony Robbins: The Fastest Way Out of Feeling Stuck! Use THIS 6-Part Decision Making Framework to Take the First Step and Start 2026 With Clarity

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Most people are stressed because stress is usually measured, but
how much you feel you control events versus events control you.
Smartest people usually are terrible investors. The smartest people want
to know everything before they decide. Not deciding is the
worst decision.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hey, everyone, welcome back to on Purpose, the place you
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not only one of your favorites, he's one of mine.
I had the fortune of growing up to his tapes
and books playing in my life in my house thanks
to my dad since I was a young boy, and
I truly believe it transformed my mindset from day one.

(00:36):
I was fortunate enough to have that for years, and
a few years ago I got to interview the man himself.
The interview went viral, It broke so many records across
audio and video, and today I have him back in
the studio. I'm speaking about the one, the only, Tony Robbins,
Number one New York Times best selling author, entrepreneur, and
the nation's leading life and business strategist. Over the last

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four decades, Tony is empowered more than one hundred million
people across one hundred and ninety five countries through his books,
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challenge to help end hunger worldwide. This January, he'll host
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Please welcome to On Purpose, Tony Robbins, Tony, it's great
to be back.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Who with this. It's quite an introduction. Jay almost embarrassed
by the way you have to live it.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
You have to live it.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
So it touches me when I hold are you thirty eight?

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Thirty eight?

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah? Yeah, so many thirty eight comes in. I've been
listening to you for twenty five years or twenty years
or something like, how old are you? I've been around
that long? Good. No, it's a pleasure to be with you,
and I really love what you do. Your introduction and
you didn't mentioned, but I want to mention his intention
for all of you listening was that his guests, whoever
they are, that their message will be received and people
go deeper in their understanding of that person and also

(02:07):
their careful that person and vice versa. And I think
it's a beautiful intent. The whole on Purpose podcast bringing
happiness and joy and healing is it's my mission as well.
So I'm happy to be with you. Well.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Thank you so much for leading the way and paving
the way for so many of us and continuing to
be such a great torch bearer for so many, Tony,
I want to start with you. Know, with you, there's
so many things we can talk about, and you've been
doing this work for decades. I feel like your ability
to learn what's the root of things is second to none.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
It's so powerful for you to know.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
And I feel today since even when you started, people
are still stuck. The thing I hear the most is
I'm stuck in a relationship, I'm stuck in a dead
end job, I'm stuck in life and I feel like
I can't move. I don't know what I need to do.
What's the first thing people need to do if they
feel stuck.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
They've got to make some decisions, right, I mean? And
what stops feel make decisions? You and I to what
is this fear people are afraid of making the wrong
decision for you to not being perfect, fear of the
consequences of their decisions. But let's chunk it up a
little bit. What do people really want? We started out
we were all here created by something. I like God
is the term. Some people like the universe. I'm not

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here to argue with that whatsoever. But we have to
agree that something created us, and that's something gave us choices,
and choices are how we co create are basically our lives.
It's not your conditions, it's your decisions, the term and
the quality of your life. I had pretty rough conditions
growing up, to say least, but I turn those into
good conditions because of a mindset, because of certain psychology,

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I gets to certain decisions and if you think of it,
your life. Most people are stressed because they stress is
usually measured. But how much you feel you control events
versus events control you. The more you feel events are
controlling you, the more overwhelm you feel, the more stress,
the more anxiety, the more fear. And we live in
a culture where mental health is that record lows in

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terms of quality and happiness and joy and fulfillment and
anxiety or through the roof. And it's not because the
world is so much more stressful. It's because the way
we process the world, we have more information coming at
us than any time in history. Obviously we're drowning and information.
We're starving for wisdom. But in order to go from
being stressed and not we understand that the I think

(04:17):
the single most important tool is decision making, because I
think that's been the skill that took me from you know,
barely surviving in a family that had tremendous pain and
tremendous angst was to be the nicest, waring to say,
and no finances and four different fathers and a lot
of physical and emotional abuse to being able to serve

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literally hundreds of millions, billions of people. It's been decisions
along the way. So if you look at your own life, yours, mine,
anyone's life, anyone listening or watching, you have to be
honest and say, I'm a creator and if I don't
like what I have, I've gotten here by the decisions
that have created that. And look, there's lots of little
decisions wake all day long. And I know you talk
about decisions. I'm writing a whole book on it right now.

(04:59):
And most people, well, you know, don't understand that most
decisions are easy to change, right, you know, I think
I think you give an example. I give the example
of Bezos as well as Amazon and type two decisions,
the ones you can change are easily Type one are significant, right,
They're going to be hard to change. Focusing on those
big decisions is really important in life. But I think
most people they're afraid. And then the second thing is

(05:20):
they think they don't have enough information, which is really
just fear again, because you know, I wrote an entire
book where I interviewed fifty of the most incredible financial
people in the world. All people started with nothing became billionaires,
the best investors in history, the Ray Values, the carl Icons,
the warm Buffets. And one of things I learned over
and over again from them is the smartest people usually
are terrible investors. And it's not going to be Yeah,

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And they said, because the smartest people want to know
everything before they decide, and if you wait till you
know everything, the opportunity's gone. And that's true not just
in finance, I think that's true in life. Yes, right,
we wait till we have absolute certainty. There's no absolute
certainy in life. The only absolute certainty is faith. You know.
It's like, how do you drive down a street but
nothing but a line separating you from crazies coming driving

(06:03):
at you at sixty five miles an hour, And every
single day, in every country in the world and every
city in the world, someone will cross that line and
kill someone because they were drunk, because they fall asleep,
because they're texting. And yet how do you get out
there every day without fear? And do it? You use
a gift that God gave us. It's called faith. It's
not what you learn faith. I'm not talking about a religion.
I'm talking to the capacity to see beyond the present

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moment and have a sense of certainty. Right, And so
why do you do it? Because the alternative is to
live at home and do nothing, go back to the
COVID days and be trapped. Right. We know what that
did to people psychologically, emotionally because they felt completely at
the effect of things. So the fastest way to change
your life is start making some real decisions. And I
know it's hard initially. The other part is it's just

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that the more you make decisions, the more decision making
muscles you get you know what I mean, It's like,
well you barely Some people have weak decision making muscles.
They You've ever been to a dinner with somebody or
a group of people, and there's always one person that's
hanging on to the last moment, still can't decide. You
seeither way to wait, just trying to be nice. You
can see him kind of losing my right, it's like,
just freaking decide, help this lady out right, And they

(07:06):
finally decide, Well, that's the habit of a lot of people,
and they can't make this anyone to eat for dinner tonight?
How they make a life decision? Right? So the first
step is to make some maybe he make some small
ones that you can do and get some momentum. But
the more decisions you make, the faster it gets. I
think the whole idea that I have to make the
right decision is the is the wrong way to look

(07:27):
at it. My whole view has been not deciding is
the worst decision. Right. I need to consciously decide if
I don't want to feel like things are affecting me,
if I'm going to shape my world, I'll make a decision.
And if I'm wrong. I'll find out quicker. I give
you a real life example. I don't know if you
remember a General Schwartzkough. I got to know him pretty well.
Those are younger probably don't remember his name. But the
first war that was done over, you know, whether I ran,

(07:50):
I guess basically with Iraq. Rather he ran the Allied forces.
And he's a brilliant guy, and he was very powerful.
He could talk to guys that were from the barrio
and he could talk to guys from Princeton incredibly well.
And I really lovely human being. But I asked him
what the most important skill was of a leader and
he said decision making, which I agreed with obviously. And

(08:11):
I said, well, what do you think he's making decisions?
And he said, I'll tell you a story. So he
told me the story. I tell you the short version
of it briefly. When he was a private, he represented
a general, and the Pentagon had worked for almost I think,
he said, more than a decade and a half analyzing
this strategic decision they had to make. And there are
people on both sides, and they argued in on both

(08:33):
sides fully, so strongly, that no one made a decision
for over ten years, and they knew they had to
make the decision. If they didn't make it now, it
could cost the country our security. It's a big decision.
And so he, being the private organized the team that
had to read all these volumes of materials so they
could summarize it so the general have the information. And
he said, then the meeting got pushed up and even

(08:54):
with a group of eight people, they could not gather
all the information and fully summarize it. Meanwhile, the generals
called overseas during this time when he should have been prepping.
It wasn't his fault, but he had a deal in it.
Flew back the night before they're loading up with all
this information. He didn't get back till ten o'clock at night.
The meeting was eight in the morning. Right most important
decision in the Pentagon's history was how it was framed,

(09:16):
he said. He came in the meeting, he said, give
me your arguments. One person stood up for twenty minutes
and gave this full blown argument. This is the direction
to go, all right, give me your argument. Twenty minutes,
full blast their argument. He said, okay, do this, and
he all saluted and he walked down the room and
he said, Schwartzkof said, he's a private nun general right

(09:37):
at that time, right, he said, I don't know what
the hell to do. He couldn't possibly know all this information,
He couldn't possibly know what to do in this situation.
And he was totally stressed by it. And so he
worked up enough courage to knock on the General's door
and said, General, permission to speak freely. He said, ease,
at ease, he goes, General, I've worked on this for

(09:58):
four weeks with eight people. I said, you weren't even
here last night. This is one of the most important decisions. Ever,
how could I know you'd an if all the information,
how could you possibly make that decision? He said, young man,
because the decision need to be made, And he said,
on both sides are equally strong. So I picked the
one I believe is right. If I'm wrong, we'll find
out quicker. It won't take a dictator, you know, ten

(10:19):
years to mind out. And if I'm right, we'll continue.
If I'm wrong, we'll make a shift. And he said it.
He said it just was outside of his world, was
so simple. And then he told me one other one
that I thought was really good. He said he was
leaving one time, and he left him as a private
in charge of things. He said, you're in charge, you
make these decisions, you do these things. He said, general, General,
how do I know what to do? He said, rule thirteen?

(10:42):
He goes rule thirteen. Sir, he's starting out the door,
and he says, what's rule thirteen? Conn figure out what
rule thirteen was? When put in command? Take charge? He goes, Okay,
he goes, but but how do I make the right decision? Goes?
Rule fourteen? Goes rule fourteen? Sir? What's rule fourteen? Do
what's right? And those simple approaches I think can guide us.

(11:03):
And I really believe decision making is the most important thing.
So if you don't like your body, change it. If
you like your relationship, change it. Maybe change you first,
otherwise you'll trade people and have the same problems. Right,
you know you don't like your career, change it. But
it for things to get better. We got to get
better for things to change. My teacher gym aroone say,
you got to change, right, But it all begins with
a decision. So maybe start with small decisions or maybe

(11:26):
attack a big one. Because when you do you get momentum.
And by the way, it's only a decision if you
act on it immediately. And so I have a rule
that's like anytime I set a goal, anytime I make
a decision, I make sure that within a few minutes
of making it, I do something that commits me to
follow through. Because here's the other problem. Have you ever
done this? You ever made a decision then not follow through? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Why because I was Maybe because I made a decision
and I was uneasy about it afterwards, or there was
some fear that crept in or I didn't I didn't
have a plan to execute it on it properly.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
All those are the typical answers to you're it's spot
on in your experience. But the biggest reason is people
think decision is a one step process, and I found
it's three. Right, you can decide in the moment. The
reason I make that commitment that when I'm in the moment,
I do something that commits me. When I leave that moment,
you get in state, you get inspired enough, or you
get pissed off enough, something moves you and say, none

(12:21):
of the day, not an hour, I'm changing this, right,
But then when you leave that moment and you get
caught up with some meeting or something with your family,
or something in your social media, email or whatever it is.
Gradually you're in a different state. And then you don't
fall through and what you're set is true. Something else
comes up that you weren't prepared for. Right So a
real decision, the word decision comes from decision in Latin

(12:42):
rings means to cut off from When you cut off
any other possibility except what you committed to, you will
find the way. It's always told people, if you want
to take the island, burn your boats. As long as
your brain has a way out, it'll go back. And
it's amazing what you'll do when there's no option to
go back. Most of my career has been because I
had no net. You know where its screen, Williams, and
I got to turn around right now. She can't get
on her sister died. She can't get in on the USO.

(13:04):
But she can't get on stand up, she can't get
up to do anything. Everybody knows I'm working with her.
I don't get her up. All thing's over, I get
her up. I turn the president around. I do whatever
I've got to do, no matter who it was with
no net you find a way. So I think the
biggest thing is once you decide you want to go
to the second step is commit In fact, I hear
women say this to me all the time. I know
you have a large female audience. They'll say, you know,

(13:27):
men don't commit, and I said, has he even decided?
Because they are different steps. Women jump to commitment very quickly.
Men not as quickly, right, and so deciding is like
a war. Sometimes you know, I figure it out. Okay,
I've decided, but then commitment. If I ask your audience
to ask them, what's the difference, let me ask you

(13:47):
what's the difference in deciding committing to you?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
I feel like, decide is I know it's direction I
want to do. Go in commitment is I want to
stay in that direction for a long period of time.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yes, you just added with exactly what it is. A
commitment takes it into the few. Decision is the moment,
and that moment can change, which is why so many
people make a decision legitimately and don't follow through. That's
why you need to take action immediately that commits you
to follow through, meaning book the meeting, enroll in the class,
you know, call the person and set it up organized

(14:17):
so you can have that conversation you haven't wanted to
have and put it on the calendar so that there's
momentum going out of it. But then committing. Deciding is
really rough. Committing is not that rough. It's just creating
enough compelling reasons to follow through, even though it might
be tough right now. But there's a third step, and
after you decide and commit, there's resolve. What's dimsting decide

(14:38):
and commit and resolve for you, what's the emotional difference?

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Resolve to me, at least from the way I'm hearing
it is just in your own experience. Yeah, there's a
sense of I feel a sense of confidence that I
made the right decision, so I can recommit and reconnect.
Or I get a sense of now's the time to pivot,
and so there's a resolution of am I continue down
this road or we're gonna pivot?

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yes, at least how I hear.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
I understand complete you're valuating with something new came. But
to me, resolve is whatever you did in that moment,
it's done right right. I know. Jim Runt had told
me one time that he was speaking about resolve to
this audience of young people, and I think it was
like a nine year old girl. He said, who's got definition? Resolve?
And this young girl stood up and she said, I
think it's promising yourself you will never give up.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
It was a beautiful example. When you resolve, you're at peace.
Deciding is like a war, right, committing choir's energy and
take you into the future. As you describe and then resolve,
it's amazing. It's like it's done. It's done in me.
It may not be done in the world, but it's
done in me. Now I'll find the way or I'll
make the way, and there's no uncertainty, there's no fear,

(15:45):
there's no anxiety, there's no it's like when you get
to that psychological emotional place, that's the place and what
you get results. If you look at an athlete, athletes
are perfect examples this. I'm sure you've seen a time
where you watch an athlete walk up to shoot a
free thrower, let's say, a kick her football, and you
think it's going to miss it, yeah, and then they do.
How did you know they're going to miss it?

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, Physiology, the where their head was, where their eyes were.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yes, you could see in their state a lack of
certainty when someone when you see, like you know, something
like Lebron take the ball to go straight in and
go over some top of somebody's head and put it through.
There is not He didn't just decide, he didn't just commit.
He has resolved that every ounce of his where it's
going to go.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Right, So I think, just to summarize, I think there
isn't a more important skilled than decision making. And if
you're not good at all, you got to start making
some decisions. What would you my question would be, instead
of just listening yesterday, if nothing else came out of this,
what's one little decision you could make that would increase
the quality of your life that honestly you know you
should make. Maybe even putting it off because it's inconvenient,

(16:51):
you've got lots of other stressful things in your life,
or you're not really comfortable. But if you really committed
and you follow through, you just decided, commit it and
follow through right resolved, where would you be a year
from now? What would your life be like? And I
would take a little decision and what action would you
take today? Make that decision now and then if you're bold,
what's a big decision, what's a tough decision, what's the

(17:12):
decision you've been putting off? Or you know and you
got it's right, But you know, it might be about
a relationship, you know, it might be about how you're
dealing with your kids. It might be around your career
or your business or your finances. But that's how life
gets better. That's how you start treating life as opposed
to being a manager of circumstance. And I think when
people are maintaining, when they're managing their circumstances, when they're surviving,

(17:34):
they're miserable. Like we are made to grow and we're
made to give. When we grow, we have more to give.
And so I think decision making is the pathway one
of them, certainly to getting there.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, it's so powerful listening to you talk about it,
because I feel a lot of us. The second mistake
we make is that after we make a decision, we
hope that that decision solved everything. So it's like you
make one decision and then you're like, all right, well
I quit my job or I left that person, or
I got a new job, and that should solve it.

(18:04):
And the reality is what you're saying is no. Decision
making is a continual process. It asked up in time
and time again. You don't get to make one decision.
Your life is sold.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Life is made up of lots of little and big
decisions along the way.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
You know what the biggest problem is that people have
They think they're not supposed to have them. Right, Yeah,
problems are a sign of life. I remember I interviewed
who was the name Norman Vincent Peelee Dr Peel, who
wrote the original power Puzzle thinking book when I was
thirty two. He was ninety two, and he invited me,
because my career was growing, invited me up to Toronto

(18:37):
to meet him at an event he was doing. So
I came backstage and I spent about an hour in advance,
and I remember asking. I said to you know, I'm curious.
I said, why is still doing these events? He goes, well, Tony,
there's still a few negative people around here at ninety two.
I said, what's the most think about? Ninety two? He's
men's horse and carriage to rockets, right, you know, nothing

(19:00):
to computers, right. Just the changes in his lifetime were
just unbelievable and I said, what do you think is
the most important thing people need to understand? And he
said the power of problems. And I said what do
you mean by that? He goes, well, the only people
out problems are in cemeteries. And I said, I think
I heard that. Some we said, I'm nineteen forty seven.
I said that, he said, but they never finished my quote.

(19:21):
I said, the only people out problems are in cemeteries.
So if you don't have any of you bitter, goun
on knees and pray for some. Because he said problems
are a sign of life. And when I find his problems,
call us. He said. He was sitting one time at
this dais. He was at a speaking to ass and
was like a luncheon and beside him was the heavyweight
champion of the world and he was back in the forties, right,

(19:42):
And he said that he looked at his name was
Jeene Tunny. He's a pretty famous guy. And he said, Gean,
how do you get muscles like that? And Jean said,
do you really want to know? You just asking? And
he said and he told me in his head, he goes,
I was thinking, I was just asking. Now I really
want to know, Because he were so intense about it,
he says, no, I really want to know. He goes
every day. I push against unbelievable resistance, and that's what

(20:04):
sculpts these muscles. That's how you build muscle. And he said,
I thought about a long time afterwards, and he said,
I think that's how we developed spiritually. We push against problems,
and that's what sculpts our souls. And so I think
to think you shouldn't have problems. You can call them challenges.
It feels better. But this part of life is part
of the journey, and solving them makes you bigger and
more alive, more spiritually developed, more human, more caring. You know,

(20:30):
pain and suffering. You don't have to suffer long, but
we're all going to experience some of it, right, But
decision making is how we get out of it.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, And you're so right, because one of the biggest
challenges today is overthinking.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Right, We're exposed to more information, or so we think.
And I was reading a study that was saying we
now consume seventy two gigabytes of data per day.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
How much we have truly consumed absorb?

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, it's like face to buy it. Yeah, and you
think like, that's a lot. I remember when you were
lucky enough to get one gigabyte on your iPhone and
number talking about seventy two gigabytes coming at you.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
So decision making is.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
The kind of arrow that cuts through that, because that's
the only way to get out of overthinking. And so
if someone's spiraling, if they actually listened to you and said, hey,
if I just make one decision off of this, that
would actually create a shift for them.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
I can tell you too. It's too long in a
conversation like this to describe in detail, but I can
give you how I make important decisions.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Please.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
I have a six step process, and if people want
to jot it down, I call it oc EMR. Those
are the trigger letters for what I do, ohc EMR.
And I developed this years ago because I only had
one business. Now I'm fortunate enough I have one hundred
and fourteen companies. We do over ten billion dollars in business,
and I have no business background, all decision making learning skills,
et cetera. But way back then, when I had a

(21:45):
small business, these decisions were just it was tough. They
were important decisions. They felt like it were life and
death decisions. For the business, and I knew that, you
know how smart I am, you're better with a group
of people around you because even if you have more information,
they have another perspective, you know. And so I was
trying to find a decision making model, and I thought, well,
all decision making is really value clarification, like what's most

(22:05):
important to you? Like what you decide with someone else
side may be different, but maybe right, because it's about
what do you value most? Right? So I thought I
should start with decision making, not by all the emotion
that I may have of either anxiety or fear or
excitement or passion. Either one can lead you astray. It's like,
what do I want? What's the outcome? That's the first
Oh outcome? So I get people and by the way

(22:26):
I tell people, do not do this in your head.
The reason people get overwhelmed as they ask multiple questions
too fast to answer that it's like, what am I
going to do? I don't know what to do? What
if she says this? What if he did that? But
what if it doesn't do that? And you're asking twenty
questions and you don't have the processing power to answer them,
You're just going to overwhelm slow it down, one thing
at a time, right, But start not with what you're
afraid of, start with what you want, because that's how

(22:48):
the human nervous system is designed. It's designed to make
things happen, to create. So if you become a creator,
you start with the wom So, what are your outcomes?
And this is the reason it's hard to make decisions
for most people is they have multiple outcomes trying to
get from the same decision. Right. They want to make
everybody happy, and they want to make a million dollars
and they want to have more free time, and you know,
all simultaneously. So you have to say, which of those

(23:09):
things is the most important to you? Is it the
free time, is the family time? Is that they make
more money? I'm sorry, what's most important for you? Right?
So I have people write down their outcomes, and they're
usually multi if they're having a hard times because there's
multiple outcomes. And I also say, don't ever do this
in your head, because you can't manage all your head
pictures worth a thousand words. So you write down the
outcomes and then you put them in order, and then

(23:31):
you put the why because the why is what matters,
Like what is the reason. What's the emotion mind this?
What is it? I'm even though I say this is
what I want, what I want out of this? What's
it going to give me? It's going to give me joy.
It's gonna be happiness, fulfillment, spiritual development. What is it? Right? So,
now when you're crystal clear what you want and the
order you want it in, and that's critical, what's number one?
You got to be rigorous. Now you can make decisions

(23:52):
by going into second h What's what are your options?
And I always tell people one option is no option.
Two options is dilemma. You need at least three choices
to be a choice, right and so, and when you
get to three, usually find this four or five. Now,
you may not like them all, but you shouldn't lie
to yourself and say this is the only option that'll
stress you out, or these two in the option you
get stuck in a dilemma. So I write out all

(24:12):
the options. Then I go toc is consequences, which is
what you're doing the decisions for what's the upside and
the downside of each of these decisions. To the best
of my knowledge, the upside could be this and this
now couldst be that and that I've confided the first half. Okay,
now you know what exactly you want, you know what
your options are, and you know upsides and downsides of each.

(24:33):
So now we're gonna go into the last three stage.
I'm gonna evaluate, mitigate, and resolve e Evaluate. Now I'm
gonna evaluate what's the probability of those consequences, because you
might have something that's like, oh my god, if this happens,
the worst thing on earth, but the probability is next
to zero, and you're all stressed out. Unless you evaluate probability,
you're wasting your time. You might have some go oh
my god, if this works out, it's gonna be the

(24:55):
greatest thing in the history of the world, but the
likely it of happening is zero. Right, You can't let
those dreams get you. So you start to see by
evaluating what's there, and then the last two steps are fast.
It's mitigation. Mitigation means Okay, I've seen what I want,
I know my options, I know the upside there, I
know what's probable. Now could I take something from this
option and mix it with this one? Is there a

(25:16):
way to mitigate the downsides? And almost always there are,
and at this stage, your brain gets really creative because
it's not in fear or uncertainty or anxiety, because you're
not in your head. It's right in front of you.
And the last part is resolve. And I gave you
a million stories. It was too late to do, but
I can just tell you I've made personally four hundred
million dollars in one decision I made from this. Personally,

(25:36):
I'm trying to give you economic piece. What the spiritual
emotional value has been on things is priceless, and I
can honestly tell you by using the system. And I'm
writing this book right now called The Power of Decision
because I want people to have that skill, and I
show them everybody bezos decision making skills. I teach people
everybody's format, but those are my format for doing it,

(25:57):
and I found it to be incredibly valuable, especially when
you had resolve, you know, to it, not just a
side to the process. So I hope that's helpful for people.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
That's a great system. That's the best way i've heard
it explained. I really appreciate that model because I think
too much of what decisions making is based on today
is if you really want something and you go after it,
and you organize and you have a plan, you'll get there.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
And it's like you.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Didn't evaluate the probability, if you didn't look at it
from a systematic point of view, or the other side
of it is like, all right, you made a decision.
You get some good insight, get some good advice, get
some good mentorship. You pivot, you pivot. But the point
is you can save yourself so much time.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
You got it by.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Doing what you just share huge amounts of time, huge
amounts of time, money, and energy. I was going to

(26:54):
ask you, Tony, you have such a systematic brain, like
when I've learned from you listen to you, everything is
so process oriented, which I love. But at the same time,
you have this deep faith, this deep spirituality, and you
brought it out there. You said, I'm ad four hundred
million dollars, and at the same time, the emotional and
spiritual benefits.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Prices are off the charts.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Talk to me genuinely, because I think today we all
hear about oh you can manifest this and you can
get that and this. I feel like you have a
really pragmatic and process driven approach to both. How does faith,
how does energy? How does spirituality correlate with a very systematic,
process driven approach.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
That's a great question. No one's really asked me that question.
That's nice. It's a reflection of your qualities as well,
which I think you look at both sides as well
as I do. I think there's nothing more important spirits soul.
There's nothing more important than your spiritual development. Anything else
is a joke. And yet maybe the best I described
is think of about it as East and West, right,

(27:52):
we both have experiences of both. I go to Indy
at least once a year on average, and I've been
going since I was in my twenties because I was
fascinated by the cultural differences. And as a gross generalization,
the East is more about internal development. If you go
to a place like Varanasi, which is one of the
oldest cities on the planet, you know, thirty eight hundred
years old, they have fires that have been burning for

(28:13):
thirty eight straight years NonStop, and for people don't know it.
In that culture. You know, everyone has different perceptions of
God or belief of what God is, but in that
particular culture, it doesn't matter what kind of Hindu you are.
If there's some believe you should give up all your clothing,
everything but your clothes. Some people believe it's studying the Vedas.
Some people believe it's through yoga. Different ways to get
to God. Million different ways, and there's more than three

(28:35):
hundred million different gods, your own personal god in that culture, right,
very different. But they have a belief there that if
you die in Varanasi, it's the only thing I've unified,
then you don't come back because the belief is a reincarnation.
So they want to you know, not come back, which
would be nirvana, right, And they burn these fires and
when someone dies, they try to get to Varanasi no
matter what they do, because they believe that they die there,

(28:56):
they won't come back. And the city is filled. You've
been there, haven't you? Yeah, fill the people that are
dying and joyous. I can't remember. We went to Mother
Teresa's facility and there's a woman there that was tiny,
little lady, and she was like in her nineties and
I was talking with her. She broken English there and
she was mad as hell. She was dying. She was mad.

(29:19):
They scooped her off the streets and they're helping her.
She came here to die because this was her really
pissed off, right, and then most Americans have you know,
they burned the bodies. I watched him burn the bodies
on this boat, and I'll never forget the first time
I did this. And I watched this little boy who's
flipping this look like stick or twig, and it was
his grandfather's leg. No one is crying, no one is sad.

(29:40):
They believe that the body is the t shirt. You
burn it and it goes away. So the spiritual side
life has all that is seen there and that yet
people live in squalor. You come to America and people
get stressed about they didn't get the special burger on
the sauce on their burger, right. And you see people
that live with tremendous economic opportunity who spoil it and

(30:00):
don't take advantage of it. And people have tremendous second
opportunity when they're not fulfilled in their relationships. They're not
who's to say they're not spiritually developed but looks on
the outside, but the way they treat people, they're not
spiritually developed. And so I don't believe you have to
pick one to the other. I believe that they go together.
I've always believe when I originally was learning, you know,
constantly listening to albums that's hold I Am, and cassette

(30:23):
tapes and reel the reels that's hold I Am. Eight
tracks of various professors, speakers. I was just immersing myself
in things. I noticed almost everybody specialized in either how
I can look at his philosophy or strategy. Right. Philosophy
is critical, It determines the quality of your life. It
terms whether you're happy or not happy, fulfilled or not fulfilled.

(30:44):
Strategy is how how do you get it done? And
strategy is critical because you could save a decade with
the right strategy in business, in your personal life with
your body the wrong strategy, and you're going to be ill, right,
And so early on I decided you need both, So
I teach both. And I don't think that's anything but intelligence.
You know to do both. So that's how I look
at it. But if you think, like what creates, you

(31:07):
know when you look I try to look at what
does everybody want? And we're all different, and I think
the best example I can give is that people want
an extraordinary quality of life. But that definition is different
for everybody, like some people's idea of an extraordinary life
is you know, three beautiful children and a husband or
wife that they adore. Some people's is to write poetry

(31:29):
or write music, or to build a farm or garden.
Some people's as a grow a business. Everyone has completely
different eyes to what that is. I don't pretend that
my life should be your life. I'm the example for you,
but I'm an example of how you can take what
you believe you want to create and make it real
by a combination and enjoy it. Because how many you
know have achieved and they want and then said is

(31:49):
this that all there is? Because they have the right philosophy,
or they were trying to achieve something they thought would
meet a need for significance and they missed love, you know,
the more important pieces of life. So I believe that
there's two primary skills to have an extraordiny quality life,
which I would define is life on your terms. So
the first one is the science of achievement. That's a skill.

(32:10):
So when I wrote my financial books and I braking
three of them, I never intended that, But after two
thousand and I was so angry because I worked with
Paul Tuder Jones, one of the top ten traders in
the history of the world, and I knew this was coming.
I try to warn people, and only few number of
people almost destroyed the world economy, right, and then we
punish them by giving them more of our money. This
is the most crazy thing. So I don't have a

(32:32):
lot of power, but I have the power to convene.
And so I brought together fifty of the best financial
people in the world and kind of dug into their
brains and figured out what's the common pattern. They're all different,
that it made them go from nothing financially to financially free.
And I want to show people that's still doable, because
I think most especially young people, they don't think that's possible,
and they're wrong. The systems rigged, is what everybody says.

(32:54):
It is rigged to some extent, but it's still totally winnable.
Life isn't always fair, but it's still magnificent, right, you
can still make it magnificent. So the skill sets, it's
like it's a science. If you do certain things, you're
gonna have too much month at the end of the money,
you're gonna have stress. If you use certain other things financially,
you're gonna be free. That's a science. Your body is

(33:15):
a science. Every one of us is slightly different. But
there's certain patterns that if you violate them, you're gonna
have illness, you're gonna have disease. Right, that's what it is.
If you surround yourself or apply them, you're gonna have
a high level of energy, a high level of health.
That skill is the one that most human beings in
the Western world are pursuing. They want to achieve more,

(33:36):
and the whole focus is let's get more, and we're
a consumer culture. And so as a result, a lot
of people do that and they're still unhappy. Right. That's
because the second skill is more important and is not
promoted in on Western culture very much. And that is
the art of fulfillment. And notice that I said art,
not science, because what fulfills you and I consider you
a dear friend, and what fulfills your best friend, and

(33:56):
what fulfills your kids maybe really different. Even though you
love each other and you're part of the same family,
so to speak, we're all unique in that way. It's
like what does God love? Go to a forest and
take a look around. Everything's different. It's ultimate levels of
variety of shapes and directions. It's not supposed to be
one thing. I think that's the biggest challenge in our culture.
We've experienced all this, you know, this pain and these

(34:18):
shootings and so forth, about people who want to shoot
other people because they believe something different than them. Man,
what we've really lost it when we can't have a
conversation anymore, or we can't learn to agree to disagree,
you know, that's part of You can love somebody and
still disagree with them. I know in Congress, I have
friends who were, you know, worked at the vice president
level and worked at the presidential level, and worked in

(34:39):
Congress and Senate, and they would fight, like hell, three
or four decades ago and they go have a beer together.
Now they don't even talk to each other. It's a
crazy thing. But my point is fulfillment is an art,
and fulfillment is as different as you and I are.
There are no laws to fulfillment, but there are some principles,
and one is growth. If you're going to be fulfilled,

(35:00):
got to grow. In fact, the whole self care mentality
we have, which I think was important. It was like
the antidote to the what they just call it the
hustle culture, and people always stress. You know what, they're stressed.
They're hustling just to make money. There's no meaning. When
there's no mean, You're gonna work your ass off and
be so fulfilled if it's meaningful to you, if you're
doing it for a higher purpose than just money. I'm

(35:21):
not saying you shouldn't have money. You should. It's part
of a master skill of being alive and take care
of your family. But if that's the only thing you're
doing it for, you're going to stress out and burn out.
I mean, stress comes to making things more important they
really is. Failure comes to making things less important than
they really are. It's an art, right, But the fulfillment
side is finding what it is that allows you to grow,

(35:42):
because when you grow, you feel alive. I always tell people.
People ask me all the time, they say, what is
it that makes people happy? You travel the world and
millions of people is what's the common happiness? And I
say progress, Progress equals happiness. When you're making progress, you're
happy even when you achieve it. Like, can you think
of a goal you've achieved that you're really proud of

(36:03):
and then afterwards thought, is this all there? Is no,
oh good, I'm so god. But you are more purposeful.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, podcast Like I think that's because that's because you
know it's about progress.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yeah, yes, no, no, I'm agreeing with you. Have you
ever had the goal where you achieved it and you're
out of your mind? Like out of your mind and good?
Like you celebratory?

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Probably not either?

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Interesting? Yeah, well, most people have had some celebrations. And
when they celebrate that, what I always ask people is
you're really celebratory. It was great, you achieved it. You're
proud of yourself. Great, And I say how long do
that feeling last? And I say to the last six years? No,
six months, six weeks, six days, six hours. Most people

(36:45):
somewhere between six days, six hours and six weeks max.
Because you know why, why does it go away? Because
we're not made just to achieve goals. We're made to grow.
We're made to become more because when we grow, we
make progress, we have something to give, we have more
to give. So it's like everything in the world either
grows or it dies. If your relationship's not growing, don't
be us yourself, it's dying. If your business is not growing,

(37:06):
it's dying. If you're not growing, some part of you
is dying inside. So but I found that when people
really grow, they're happy and then they want to share
and they have something worth sharing. Right, So, if you
look at somebody like Robin Williams, I mean Robin Williams,
I think was one of the gifts of our country
to the world. You know, he made people laugh all
over the earth. He came here to Hollywood where you

(37:28):
are right now, and he had almost no resources except creativity.
And he said, I'm going to start my own TV show.
Everybody says that, nobody does it. He did it. Then
he said, okay, I want to know the storm own
TV show. I want to make it the number one
show at least five countries. He did it in nine. Right.
Then he said, I don't want to do TV anymore.
I want to make movies that's more dramatic, and he did.

(37:51):
Then he said, I want to win an Academy Award
for not being funny, a dramatic Academy Award, and he won.
He said, I want a family that totally loves me,
and I love me. He did it. He said, I
want to have more money than I ever spent, and
he did it. And he hung himself in his own home.
How to explain that now People say had Louis bodies

(38:11):
in his brain, but he had used alcohol and cocaine
and drugs his entire life, staying hyped up. He worked
to make everybody is happy except himself. So I really
believe that success without fulfillment's the ultimate failure. And you
do not have to separate them because if what you're
doing is designed to try and serve something more than yourself,
you're not going to be stressed. I mean, when you're

(38:33):
trying to serve your kids, or you're trying to serve
your community or your country. When there's something you care
about more than yourself, there's an energy that you have.
All suffering comes focus on the self. And I ironically
again I started to mention self care. I'm not being
derogatory towards self care because I think it's important to
take care yourself so he can take care of others
and take care of yourself. But it's become the new

(38:55):
it's the new hustle culture. Self care means you're doing
something directing your mind, so and spirit to become more,
not just checking out right, and so many people are
doing it now. And I think that's a huge reason why.
I don't know if you saw. I looked it up
the other day. I was actually brought it. I want
to make sure that the right numbers that blew my mind. Yeah,
Sixty one percent of gen Z has been diagnosed with
anxiety disorder, sixty one percent of a generation, fifty four

(39:19):
percent of gen Z women report diagnosed mental health conditions
by American Psychological Association. Thirty four percent of gen Z
are currently taking prescription medication, and there's been one hundred
and twenty nine percent increase in the trajectory use of
antidepress and among teenage girls since the pandemic. I mean,
it's like there's something wrong here. This mental health crisis

(39:40):
is because we think we should do less and we're
going to be happier. There was a study done right
in the middle of COVID by a woman run an
article in New York Times, and she took people who
are miserable and angry and sad and said, We're going
to do a time management course for you for nine weeks,
and I'm going to ask that you do more during
these nine weeks, and at the end of nine weeks,

(40:01):
just by feeling control of their lives right twenty percent
increase in life satisfaction eighteen percent increase in productivity by
doing five times more than what they were doing when
they kept Because the problem with pulling back and taking
care of yourself when it's the extreme side not what
you or I would do. I know you have the
meds thing you talk about, right and turns of meditating
and eating well and diet and sleep righters that with

(40:23):
the ones you couldn't agree more with you on that,
But when people make it like just letting go and
doing nothing, I mean, I am found the value of that.
But the weaker we get, the harder it gets. It
doesn't like you don't hit a bottom and now you're okay.
You just get weaker and weaker, and now little things
are stressful. It's just like the decision making. The more
you don't make decisions, the more anxiety you have. The

(40:44):
more you start making decisions, the stronger you feel. You
feel like you're in control of your life. And all
it takes is a few good ones for you to
start getting momentum. So I think those two skills are
the key to great life. Master the science of achievements.
You can study how people did it get the same
thing with your body or your emotions, or your relationships
or your finances. But then when it comes to fulfillment,

(41:04):
you have to discover what will help you to grow
and what will help you to give more and what
taps you. I oh, you have. One final example is
this humorus to me. Steve Wynn is a good friend
of mine who built most of Las Vegas about halfway
Vegas beautiful favorite hotels, Yes, beautiful, beautiful old man and
Steve quite a philanthropist, great human being, good front of mine.
So we both have vacation homes in Sun Valley, idahoes

(41:27):
for the snow. And I arrived one morning and one
night the night before and I got there like two
or three in the morning, and the phone rings at
eight am, I mean, a four or five hours sleep.
Who could possibly be calling me this home? Right? It's
Steve Tony. It's my birthday. I want you to come
over today, I said, Steve. I know, but it's eight fifteen,
eight thirty in the morning. I just got here. He goes, listen,

(41:49):
I got this new piece of art, he said. It's unbelievable.
I've coveted this piece of art for the last thirteen years.
He said, I outbid everybody at Aesophabes and literally they
delivered it late last night for my birthday. You must
come and see this painting. I was all right, Steve.
I had one question. How much should I set you back?
Eighty six point nine million dollars? Eighty seven million dollars,

(42:13):
So I said, Steve, screw lunch, I'm coming for breakfast.
I got to see what an eighty seven million dollar
painting looks like. And I'm picturing God crashing through the clouds,
some Renaissance image and everything else. I get there and
he takes me in the room and he goes see and
I look at it, and I understand what it is.
It's a roth Go. But it's an orange square. If
you've ever seen a roth Quot's and it's literally an

(42:34):
orange square, orange and red square. And I said, Steve,
they missed a few spots because this isn't filled in right.
He got a little man and I said, this is
a wroth Go. I said, I know what it is.
He goes yeah, But I said, Steve, I said, give
me one hundred dollars worth of red paint. Give me
a piece of paper, give me twenty minutes. I think
I can do this again. It stirred him up a
little bit. You know, he knews I was teasing him.
He goes, tony, you understand he committed suicide. Started telling

(42:56):
me the whole story of the guy. I said, well,
for suicide, it should be as blood for eighty seven
million dollars. I mean, come on, right, But the reason
I tell this story is he can barely see, but
he can. I'm almost an orgasm looking at that because
he finds meaning in everything, like he knows what every
stroke means. I'm to look at icy orange square. I'm unsophisticated.
So what makes you feel fulfilled depends on what you

(43:19):
focus on. And you people say, why do you do that?
He should have given that money away. He's given millions
and millions and millions of hundreds of millions of dollars away.
That's just everybody's judgment. I think you should figure out
what it is that fulfills you, because if you don't
find fulfillment, you're going to be miserable. More stress comes
because you're not fulfilled. It's not because you're not achieving,
it's because you're not making progress on what matters to you.
It's because you feel that the effective events versus your

(43:41):
affecting events.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
So many breakthroughs there that I just want to flag
for people that I think are huge. The first point
being this breakdown of the signs of achievement and the
art of fulfillment. It's so important because I think today
what people are getting confused is that they think if
they're more fulfilled, they'll be better at the science.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
No, and that doesn't work that when you.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Won't stay fulfilled either because their idea fulfillment is what
feels good in the moment, But what feels good in
the moment is what feels good long term. What feels
good long term is when you grow. Yes, then and
when you give the two things that make us feel
life is growing and giving yes, and you grow so
you have something to.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Give yes, and then saying back the other way, the
signs of achievement won't make you more fulfilled, which you
made one big breakthrough. Second one is what you just said. Now,
this idea that self care is promoting, this idea that
we all want more comfort, Yes, that we should all
have more comfort in life. And if we have more
comfort in life, then we'll be happier, and you're completely

(44:34):
kind of uprooting that and going well. Actually, the discomfort
makes you experience progress, which equals happiness. That's great because
that's the algorithm that we want to be a part of.
And that's the hard choice, because the hard choice is
choosing the discomfort, choosing the discipline, choosing the decision that
may feel hard but is right.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
But the one that's the hardest one is regret. Not
making the decision almost always leads to regret. If you
make a decision that's wrong, you can change it and
make another one. Even those type one decisions you know
that Jeff Bezos talks about, most of them are still
possible to change. This just takes a lot, so it's
always possible to shift. What's what will screw your life
up is not deciding, is living on the fence because

(45:15):
the brain does not do well with uncertainty. Right, Well,
that's one of the human needs is the need for certainty.
And the fastest way to certainty is just make some
decisions and act on them and discover what's real. So
I appreciate your meta comments about that because I think
I think it's really important to master both skills. I
know so many people have achieve so much and they're
so unfulfilled, and there's so many people that are trying

(45:36):
for fulfillment and they, you know, never last. It's just
like you got to think about it. Everything in life
is calling us to grow. And if you want to
know what doesn't work, the pop psychology of self care
is not working any more than the hustle culture did.
They're both extremes, right, Life's a balance, right, and if
you want to see what the results are, look at
the medication, then you know. And millennials are known as
the our X, not the extra generation, the our X generation, right,

(45:59):
So it's like that is not solving it. To feel good,
not feeling good because part of what gives you drive
it either destroys you or drives you. You have to
make those choices, and most of us will not let
it destroy us if we don't medicate ourselves. If we don't,
we find a way to push through. But if if
you don't have to, people go for comfort. And comfort
will never make you proud, comfort will make you strong.

(46:20):
Comfort will not allow you to inspire your kids, or
your community or your friends. But there's a greater thing
than comfort. That comes from fulfillment by pushing through what
And here's the other part is, like I hear the word,
the other pop culture element drives me crazy. Self esteem. Oh,
I don't know any self esteem because when I was
a child, people said these horrible things to me. And
how convenient you only remember the horrible things they said

(46:42):
to you, Right, they said lots of things. But the
truth of the matter is what people said to you
makes no means whatsoever as to whether you feel like
you have high self esteem or not. Self esteem is
earned by yourself. With yourself. Someone can tell your whole
life you're beautiful, you're gorgeous, you're so smart, and you
can fear you're not right. I mean people like that

(47:03):
all the time, right, And they have all this anxiety
because they call they're the best in the world and
they find out they're not. The parents over blew who
they were at that stage. They didn't teach them to
develop it, or to push through or develop the muscle
that would make them the best in the world of
what they do. On the other hand, you can be
told by people you're a piece of worthless, piece of junk.
You'll never be this, You're a piece of that, and
that person can say screw you all show you I am.

(47:24):
So what people have said has zero impact on your
self esteem, and telling people they're great or not great
does not change it. Teaching them to have grit, teaching
them to push through. The way you develop esteem for
yourself as by doing difficult things that you know are right.
When you do something and you know it's right, even
though it's difficult, You're esteem for yourself grows and no

(47:45):
one can take that way. You then take away money
or material things. No one can take away who I've
become as a man and my path, or you as
a man, or anyone else as a woman. And I
think it's really important to not if you want to
feel good about yourself, it's not by relaxing, Don't get
me wrong on it. I know how to relax, so
you know, to take time. And I have beautiful family,
have five kids and five grandkids, so I certainly have
to be able to do that. And one of my

(48:05):
kids is thanks to COVID, I have a fifty one
year old daughter and I have a four year old daughter,
so I have quite a spread at sixty. When I'm
going to be sixty six, pretty soon, so I to
give you a sense. So my life is full, but
it still has to have growth in it. It still
has to have progress, and that's what makes it fulfilling.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah, what's the difference between growth and hustle? Meaning well, yes,
exactly a hustle. I'm just doing it to try to
make money if I'm busting my tail. But man, I
know what I'm doing on you know? It is this
I always people. I measure people's lives again, have to
give a zero's ten score on their body, not compared
to someone else, like your idea have a ten. When
I was twenty, I thought washboard abs was a ten

(48:45):
and I had them and my back hurt, you know,
I mean I was out of balance right and everything
else to screw it up big biceps and the week
in other areas. Then, so I asked people, where are
zier to ten in your life today? Based on what
you want for your life? Is it energy?

Speaker 1 (48:57):
What it is? Where user to ten in the level
of me an emotion? Because if you don't measure something,
you can't manage it. I'm give it zero to ten
and a little description. Give me zero to ten where
you are in your relationships and the most important one
your intimate relationships, because friendships are easy, right, you know,
where's that? And if you don't have one, that's zero
and you want to see that. So it pushes you
right where are you in? You know your And this

(49:20):
is the one that led me to it is your
work or is it for you career? Or is it
you know, a calling or a mission? And I already
know who people are based on which word they pick.
If it's work, it's work. If it's a career, they
work at it and they pretty fulfill that. But if
it's mission, like I know you and I are both called,

(49:41):
I don't have to do this another day of my life.
I do it because it's my mission, it's my purpose.
I believe it's what I'm made for. There is no
amount of work that can wear you down when it's
mission zero. And if you haven't found that, I caution
against one other thing. If I may love, you've stirred
me up with some different questions. Yeah, it's good. I
think it's important to understand a lot of people are

(50:02):
trying to find their purpose. What's my purpose? What's this
big purpose? Who said you had one? Who said you
had one? For a lifetime. If you write down a
purpose statement as long mission statement, it sounds real good
and you read it, it's never going to cover all
of who you are a way for you know, I
have a different purpose when I'm sitting down with my daughter,
my youngest daughter, than I am with my oldest I
have a different sense of purpose and what I'm doing,

(50:23):
and this business is for that. I have a different
purpose in our conversation today. Purpose that is what gives
life meaning. But you don't have to have one giant
purpose that you're struggling to find. Life will evolve. And
if you just keep moving forward in a purposeful manner,
like whatever you do there's some meaning to it, then
I think you're going to find you are much more fulfilled.
And those measurements, by the way, I would do them

(50:45):
on your finances, and I do it them on the
spiritual side of life, not religious, but like religio means celebration.
Most people in religion don't have a lot of celebration anymore, right,
just a bunch of rules. So it's like, okay, I
divide it is between how much are you celebrating life?
Because isn't this an unbelievable gift that we're sitting here
reaving this heart's beating. We don't have to work at it,

(51:06):
that we're the skin's working, That we can have a conversation,
that we can feel, that we live, that we can
have our children. That's a miracle. We forget what a
miracle does, just to be alive. Right, So are you
celebrating and then are you contributing? Because celebration without contribution
doesn't last, you know, And so I say, measure those things.
But to answer your question specifically, I think it's critical
that you understand stress comes from having activity without purpose.

(51:30):
Is the drain on your emotional well being?

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Yeah, and that's and that's what we're struggling with. That
makes sense.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Yeah, you just mentioned that you have a child who's
fifty one years old.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
One that's four and a half.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
I don't I want to call her a child. Now
you would appreciate that, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Yeah, you have a daughter. You have a daughter.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
So, yeah, you said you have a daughter who's fifty
one years old, and you probably still see as a
child in some ways.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
I assume I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
My mom, Mom's always my mom can't stop seeing me
as a child. But yes, you have a daughter who's
fifty one years old. You have a daughter who's four
and a half years old. Talk to me about what
being a dad at that age was like and in
your twenties. Yes, to what being a dad in your
sixties looks like like? What is what's different? What are
the different challenges, what are the different lessons?

Speaker 1 (52:31):
It's my favorite stage of life is the stage of life.
I would say that first for everyone listening. You know,
I look at life and seasons. You know, it's like,
I'm a big believer that the three skills we need
to teach our kids or ourselves, especially in a world
that the next five to ten years will have more
change than any time in human history. Between nanotechnology and
AI and you know, robotics and everything else. The world

(52:55):
is going to change like never before. So how do
you have an advantage there? You have to master three skills.
Have to matter, pattern recognition, so that you're not fearful.
A lot of fears because you think this is the
only time that has happened politically, Oh well, never been
this way. It's bullshit. I can show you stuff that
makes Republicans and Democrats look nice to each other from
the past. You know when you recognize a pattern, you go, Okay,
this has happened before, and seasons are one of those patterns, right,

(53:19):
and then you're not fearful. And then the second part
it's not random. The second skill is mastering really pattern utilization.
That's what gives you power in your life. Because now
a baby can't get out of this room until they
recognize almost all rooms have an exit and if I
look around there, it's shaped a certain way and there's
a handle that if a push pollar, I can get

(53:39):
out of here. If you don't, you're trapped. So powdered
recognition is power at a little level, get out of
the room. At a big level, if you look at
somebody that's great in business, like how do I have
all these companies? I couldn't even run one company but
five employees. I was trying to do a million dollars
in business sie it wasn't hitting it, and I was
stressed out of my mind to now have one hundred
and fourteen companies doing ten billion. The difference is pattern recognition.

(54:01):
It's like understanding and then learning how to use those
patterns in those situations. So if you're good in business,
there's certain patterns. If you're good at investing, there's certain patterns.
If you've got good mental health, there's certain patterns. You know,
if you're physically well, there's certain patterns. If you know
somebody's a good dancer, they recognize how to use patterns
to produce a specific result. Spielberg has made movies for
forty years. He knows if I'm moving slowly like this.

(54:24):
He knows if I go fast, what will happen if
I pull back? If I bring the music up here.
So anyone you know that you probably respect and like
Don's just recognized patterns. They got great at using them.
But the third level for me is pattern you know
were a creation? Well you really. It's like if you've
played music, you did it usually by playing someone else's music,

(54:45):
Big Beethovenbak, whoever. You did. You live someone else's patterns,
and you did that long enough you could use it,
and then one day you start to come through. You
start to become a creator. Right, we stand on the
shoulders of the people before us. And so those three
skills are how you can compete or do well. And
I want that for my fifty one year old, and
I want my four year old having said that, you
don't recognize as many patterns when you're twenty five. That's

(55:07):
your question, right, And I'm proud of the father I was.
I mean, I got married with my first marriage to
a woman that was twelve years my senior, and she'd
been married twice before me. She had kids from both husbands,
and she moved in with me, and she was so unhappy,
and I was like, bring them here, and I adopted
all those kids. So, if you can imagine, I was
twenty four, just turning twenty five years old, I had

(55:29):
a seventeen year old son and eleven year old daughter,
a five year old and then shortly after a blood
child of my own coming on board. And so I
was out to change the world and I had to
learn how to manage my life and who I was.
And these kids. I fell totally in love with them,
and the joy of my life today. And that marriage
lasted fourteen years, and when they grew up, I really
I was there for the kids, honestly, more than anything else.

(55:50):
We weren't the right match for each other. We're still
good friends, and I'm mar and my wife now, who
I've been together twenty five years. The greatest gift of
my life. But my wife didn't think we could have kids,
and the doctor told a point blank we couldn't. So
we end up doing it with a surrogate and it
was COVID, and I'm normally going on road two undred
and twenty five days in a year, two hundred days
in a year. With COVID, they shut down every arena

(56:11):
in the world, and we went from doing fifteen thousand
people to them saying I could put one hundred people
in the arena. So we pivoted and I'm started doing
digital seminars. We did the biggest ones in the world,
one point three million people for three days, you know,
and really made it an experience. It was amazing. So
there was time so we got our daughter. But the
answer question specifically, I think in my twenties and thirties,

(56:33):
I was still trying to figure out completely who I was,
and all I knew is I want these kids to
be loved. I want them to know that they're not
here to demand from life. Life is expecting something from you,
and that if you're here to be a contributor, you'll
always be happy. And I really accomplished that. I'm proud
of all my kids are all contributors. They're all contribute time, energy, money,
resources to help people who are not as well off

(56:54):
as they are. They're all great parents, and they're all
just good people. But with my daughter today, it's you know,
A had her at sixty one, so certainly not what
I plan for. It brought more joy to mean anything else,
because you know so much more, You have so much
more wisdom to share. You have more time to just
experience things versus when you're running trying to make it

(57:17):
all happen. And I think someone like yourself at thirty eight,
and we talked off the air here that at some
point you'll probably have children. I think in that thirty eight,
thirty nine, and forty you have more wisdom to because
you're still you know who you are now to a
great extent. You'll continue to evolved, continue especially you. I'm
continuing to evolve, right, But I think there's just more
to give at that stage. But I also would tell
anybody that I wouldn't if someone would told me. If

(57:40):
you think of zero to twenty one as being a
pattern of seasons, like when I say pattern recognition, the
pattern that has changed humanity the most. The first recognized
pattern that we changed and started to use with seasons.
Until then we were one hunter gatherers and starving to
death unless we could find the right food. Total stress,
way more stress than we have today. Right, But then

(58:00):
what happened We realized, Wow, there are these seasons and
if I plant in the spring, I protect it during
the summer, I get to reap in the fall, have
enough four winter, I can do the whole thing again. Well,
if you do the right thing at the wrong time,
you get nothing. It doesn't matter how hard you work.
So I'm a big believer in looking at what season
you are in your life. Great, what season you are

(58:21):
in history? Right? What season I'm in with my family,
And so I think a zero twenty one is springtime.
Everything grows in springtime. It's easy growthing springtime. If you
start a business in springtime, you think you're a genius.
You're a genius. You're just in the right season. Right.
But then summer comes and things are tested, and God
or the universe, whatever you want to call it, has
made it so we have an easy time and then

(58:41):
we have a tough time to test this to make
us grout an easy time of rewards and a tough time,
so summer. Think of it as like twenty two to
forty two, roughly zero to twenty one, you're taking care
of I had a childhood that was a little tough,
but I was thirteen or fourteen. I had to work
to sport the family. But I still I didn't have
to make all the money for the food. Someone else
housing me. Someone else has taken care of me. At

(59:04):
that stage of life, you're taking in information twenty two
to forty two. Now you go test it right now,
you go say, well, I was toddled to stuff for
little I believe you know. And in the early stages
of that season, you think you're invincible. You think you're
going to be a multi billionaire president United States and
have one hundred relationships simultaneously and everyone will be happy.
And by the time you're thirty two or three or

(59:25):
something like that, you start going, I'm not a billionaire,
I'm not the present United States, and I can't even
one person happy in the relationship. What the hell is
going on here? And that's usually when people start to
look out for people like you and I who are
looking for some wisdom about how to live life in
a way that's happy and fulfilling and growing and expanding
because they know they're not invincible. That stage, if you're listening,
if you're in that twenty two to forty two, it

(59:47):
is the most painful stage across all studies, most unhappy stage.
If you're happy right now, that is awesome, and anyone
can be, but most aren't fully happy at that stage.
It's the most trying stage. It's the testing time. And
if you didn't grow during spring and take care of
us soil summer, then you won't reap in the fall.
You're going to weep. But if you grew in both
those stages, now you go to the third stage. That's

(01:00:07):
you know, basically forty three to sixty three, And both
these numbers are round right. Some people are early, some
people are late. But in that stage of life, you've
accumulated enough skill and knowledge. If you've grown, you know
the people. I'm sure you're already experiencing it now. Like
I was in Greece and I got stuck. I'm fortunate
enough to have a private plane and I'm supposed to
fly to Germany, and I want to drop my family

(01:00:28):
in Italy so I can have a good time and
they you know, we had a two weeks in advance.
They told us what the times to be, and then
they changed the times in said I couldn't get out
til after my seminar started with thirteen thousand people in
fifty four countries, right, and I'm like and they were
removable and so like, okay, my only option is find
some other way to get to Athens and fly it
somewhere else. And it's like, no, you know, at this

(01:00:49):
stage of my life, there are very many people in
the planet who do I know that knows, you know,
the Prime Minister of Greece, so last Jot GBD, Tony
Robin as soon as he knows it. It gave me
a list like Mark many off of Salesforce and my
dearest friends, the human Freadors. Peter Daman is one of
my partners in business. He's you know, he's from Greece
and he knows. And with the whole list, there's like

(01:01:10):
nine of them. So I called three of them, and
you know, the poor Prime Minister. I got about nine
calls and next thing I know, no problem. They moved
the time and everything else. There is a stage of
life that if you've done your job and a contribute
enough to society that you know most of the players,
or you know most of the people in the industry,
and you have you've got relationships that are twenty years
long or maybe thirty years long, and the talent pool

(01:01:32):
is not lasting. There's only so many people that keep growing,
and so you usually know those people and have a
role in that. So that stage is where most people have.
That stage that we can think of as autumn as
the falls, the reward stage. That's when most people earn
the most. That's when most people tend to grow the most.
That's when you start to really become a leader in
that stage obviously can happen earlier. And then sixty four

(01:01:54):
to eighty four to one hundred and four to one
hundred and twenty four, which is the oldest living humans,
is the winter stage, which is there's a gradual a
client in the body no matter what you do at
some stage, and you have to make sure you keep
your mental facilities up. But it's also the most magnificent
stage because you can make not only a phone call
to get your plane out, but you are able you
have thirty I have forty year relationships. Now I've got

(01:02:18):
five kids, and five brand kids. You know, I've got
people that I love with my soul that I would
do anything more, do anything for me. I don't know
many things in the life. I feel closer to God
in the universe than I've ever felt in my life.
I feel like my life is such a blessing. If
my life ended tomorrow, would be the most blessed man
on earth. I like to continue contributing, but that's not it.

(01:02:40):
That's not in my hands. Whenever I go, it will
be the right time. So it's just like I want
people to know, and all the studies, by the way,
show if you stay healthy, this stage I'm talking about
is the most fulfilling stage. And it's a stage where
you get to become, you know, an elder statesman, and
you're not trying to prove to somebody who the hell
you are. You know, you don't play the social media game.
You know who the hell you are. If people know

(01:03:01):
you like people know you're a good person. But if
they don't, you don't really care, right, you just go
deliver what you're here to deliver and do what you're
going to do. So those stages of life I think
are useful because we're all different, but there's a racetrack
to life, and you're not there yet, but there's a
stage in your life when your brain will go there
may be more days behind me than ahead of me.
That's usually midlife, whatever age that is in people's heads.

(01:03:22):
It's different for everybody, and there's a beauty. There's a
massive increase of the beauty of life. When you begin
to realize it's a limited racetrack. You value every moment,
every relationship, every experience you have even more. And I'm
at a stage of life where I have so many
friends that are twenty years my senior. I have a

(01:03:44):
lot of friends in their eighties and friends my ages
that have passed away just in recent years. And it
just reminds you that it's a limited racetrack. But I
think that's valuable. I remember I read a Ray Kurzwell
sent me one time. Ray Kurswell is a brilliant futurist,
one of the smartest in the world right and one
day he sent me this little story he goes try

(01:04:04):
and I think that you appreciate this. It was a
write up about a story from a TV show that
was done years ago, and in the TV show which
has a little twist. It's about a man who is
a gambler and he goes to heaven. In his diety
of heaven is staying at the Wynn Hotel in the
Presidential Suite, right or the Encore, the Presidential Suite, and

(01:04:27):
he wakes up in heaven. He wakes up at the
top of the encore and he opens his closet. There's
all these suits and outfits, and he opens the drawers
and there's cash, and there's jewelry and watches and all
these things. And he goes downstairs and every woman notices him,
and he goes and he's blackjack. You win twenty one,
you win, you win, you know, And all of a
sudden he's playing craps. You win, you win, you win,
and he's like lit up like a Christmas tree. And

(01:04:48):
he goes home that night with more than one person
and he thinks it's the greatest experience of his life.
And he wakes up the next day and does the
whole thing again, and the next day and does the
whole thing again. The next day, does the whole thing again.
After threehe this he's sitting at the table, he's playing blackjack,
and goes twenty one. You win, He goes, of course
they win. I always win. He's getting angry. He goes,

(01:05:08):
there's something wrong here. He goes, I want to speak
to the head angel. There's something wrong here. And so
the head angel comes over. He looks like gy Lombardi
in this tuxedo and says, can I help you, sir?
He says yes, He goes, I win every single time.
He goes, there's a mistake here. I don't belong in heaven.
I'm not the kind of guy that should be in heaven.
And the angel looks at him and said, who said

(01:05:29):
you're in heaven? If we always got everything we wanted,
if time was unlimited, would you value life as much?
So I'm here to make sure we make every moment
matter with meaning and with love. It's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
I love that story, Love that story.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
And I mean, you've dedicated so much to this and
you keep doing it. Time to Rise Summit. Time to
Rise is coming up at the end of this month. Yes,
and it's another opportunity for people to get better at
making decisions, to decide, to commit to act, to resolve,
to have that energy. Everything we've been talking about today.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Plus there's something about the calendar. That's so funny. It's
totally arbitrary. But in New Year is like a new life.
It's like a fresh start, and we all need a
fresh start. But the problem is most people set a
bunch of New Year's resolutions and you know, ninety percent
they don't fall through on them. So this is about, hey,
let's figure out what you really want, what's getting the way,
what's the plan. It's only three hours a day, so
think of it like a great movie, only you're in

(01:06:27):
it and you're actually changing your life three days in
a row. So it's January twenty nine through the thirty first,
and you can go. You can attend from anywhere on Earth.
We had one point three million people last year, ten
from one hundred and ninety three countries, every country on
Earth that exists at least that the UN recognizes. And
it's an experience I probaished, we'll forget. Plus there's a
community of people and there's zero charge. It's not like

(01:06:47):
partial pay or there's zero charge. Once a year. I
do this just to give back to people all over
the Earth, and it's really really dynamic, and people create
incredible changes and they share them with the community on Facebook.
I look forward to it every year, so I hope
people will join us. And then the other thing, I
hope you'll join me for that because it's an immersion
and it's the beginning of the year and you set
yourself up to win and meet some great people. But

(01:07:08):
then also I've actually now created with partnership with Paramount,
where I'm doing the Tony Robins Network, which we've just launched,
and it will be all over the world. They're going
to actually translate it in every language. We'll I've use AI,
so I'll be speaking with my own voice in there.
It's amazing technology we have today, but it's literally twenty
four to seven channel of nothing. But we've got, you know,

(01:07:28):
dozens of programs we develop on how to improve your body,
your emotions, your relationships, your finances, and there's no charge
for it at all, so anybody can dip in and
have an experience there as well.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Wow, that's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
I Mean, what I love about Time to Rise is
that that few days, those two to three vers that
people will spend with you, it will create a shift.
There's no quest because we all need those moments where
we just immerse where we get absorbed, we get focused
because some of us maybe we'll do ten minutes of
thinking about our life here and thirty minutes over there,
and maybe you'll spend an hour if you're lucky. But

(01:07:59):
to have three days of three hours each, yes, it's colossal.
What could happen in your life?

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
And I really believe in immersion. The reason I do
live events and they're usually twelve hours a day to
give you an idea, and people won't set for a
three hour movie. You We'll go twelve hours and say
the greatest experience in my life is immersion is the
way to learn. Like if you're going to learn a language,
and you learn a little bit at a time, most
people have learned in high school, college, they don't speak
the language years later. But if I dropped you in
Rome for ninety days with no teacher and I pick
you up, you're going to be speaking because you're seeing it, feeling,

(01:08:26):
experiencing it. So three hours isn't quite that level immersion,
but it's enough to really create momentum, make some real choices,
and really change your life for the better. And it
being my privilege to serve anyone who wants to join
us and again, there's no charge for it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Last question, Tony before we end you you mentioned there
that and you've talked about in your seminars. I've seen
you talk about it, your relationship with God the universe. Yes,
And I wanted to ask you about that because I
think we often refer to a relationship with God a
relationship with the universe. What does a relationship with God
and the universe look like? How does one nurture that?

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Does that? More of what it feels like to me
than what it looks like. It feels like I feel
like I've been guided in my life because I've asked
for guidance, and I believe I've been created. I think
we're all created for different purposes. And my own personal belief,
which may be wrong, is that I'm here to make
things better. I mean, I wear the facility baseball caps
all the time just for fun. But if you read

(01:09:18):
them on the side, it says be a blessing and
you'll be blessed is what it says underneath. And that's
my whole philosophy of life. Be a blessing. And I
think I know one of my sons, Josh, I remember
when he became a Christian of a Christian faith personally,
but I'm quite broad in my approach. I'm not restrictive
of my thinking, and I don't believe VeryE should be
what I believe to believe. In other words, if you
have a spiritual belief, I help you follow it, because

(01:09:39):
whatever it is, if you don't follow it, you're probably
not gonna be happy. And I'm not a proselytator of
people to have to be or think a certain way.
But I remember my son. He became Christian, and when people,
you know, find God in whatever way they find it,
they often think no one else has that it's only
their way, you know. And he became very, very rules
driven about this is how it is and that's how
it is. I was quite concerned, but rather than trying

(01:10:01):
to push him to be a certain way, I told
my wife Sage. I said, honey, we were in Fiji,
and I said, you know, I've got a few days.
I said, I'm going to go on a fast for
the next four days, maybe five, four or five days,
just drink juice, and I'm gonna read the whole Bible
from cover to cover. And I said, because I've never
read it that way, I've never done total immersion like
I talked about. And I read the whole Bible and

(01:10:23):
literally about eighteen hours a day, and I was struck
at the end by an overall pattern. So I went
to my son. He's been very devout and very right, wrong, good, bad,
And anytime you make things extreme, I think it creates problems, right,
And I didn't try and make them wrong in the way.
And I said, God's this, and God means ass and this,
this is what Christ did and this is how it is.

(01:10:44):
And I said, okay, Josh, I said, just I have
one question for you. I said, I just read the
entire Bible from cover to cover, and his jaw dropped open.
I said, I'm dead serious, and sages of the major
goes he did it. I said, one thing that comes
out of me. I read the Old Testament and God
seems like a selfish bastard who's mean and vindictive. And
I read the New Testament and God seems incredibly loving

(01:11:07):
and supportive of all. So I said, if that's true,
does God grow? And there's this long pause. He felt
like he was being trapped, you know, like you're trying
to trap me. And I said, I'm not trying to
trap you. I'm asking an honest question. I mean, everything
universe either grows or dies. So does God grow? If
the Bible is a real reflection of God. And there

(01:11:29):
are many other books that are reflection of being inspired
by the divine, but let's say that's the book. Does
God grow? Because it sure looks like it in the book,
you know, and if that's true. Only the reason I'm
bringing that up is, I know what you're fearing is
that you can't have absolute certainty about how things are,
which is what everybody wants, but you could have faith.

(01:11:50):
And I said, he goes, well, God knows everything. God
knows what you're gonna do before you're can do how
it's going to be. And he gave me this rattle
and I said, okay, I believe all that, But the
question is does God grow? And he couldn't give me
an answer either way because he felt like he was
being trapped in it. But eventually he loosened up and
I could say today is much more balanced, you know,
in that Area's not trying to make everybody else believe
that he believes. But I think I think the universe grows.

(01:12:12):
I think God grows and I think it's our job
to grow. And I think that when I look at
the spiritual side of life, the relationship I have is
one that's more emotional than visual. I feel like when
I get up to serve, God comes through me. When
God when I stand When someone stands up and I say,
it's a date with destiny, You've been a date with destiny.
You never know who's gonna stand up. They could say,

(01:12:33):
you know, I'm suicidal, or they could say, you know,
I'm considered killing myself and my five kids. I mean,
I've had that come up. I could say I've made
four hudred million dollars and I'm depressed, and people want
to slap them because you never know what somebody's gonna say.
But the minute they stand up inside me, it's already done.
Not because I'm so smart, because I know they stood
up in this moment. I believe because this is all

(01:12:54):
by design and the right answers will come through me,
and they do. I mean, I've never lost the suicide
Knock on wood in you know, forty eight years, and
you know, I'm sure people have seen. Some people may
have seen I'm not your Guru on Netflix. It's a piece,
but you see it in You see people six years later,
like the woman that was there, that was suicidal, that
was in that cult where they made you have sex
with the adults, and she's got out. She's now a psychologist.

(01:13:17):
She's rescued all these other kids. She doesn't have an
ounce of depression or suicidal thoughts. You know, Stanford did
a study that shows that. So I guess what I'm
trying to say is that the spiritual side of life
is critical. But when I said to my son, is this,
I said, I want everyone's relationship to be God if
I had a choice, which I don't. But if I
had a choice, it should be as unique as your signature.

(01:13:38):
Why should everybody copying everybody else. You should have an
individual relationship with God. So I said, I really appreciate
if you read the Bible, or you read any great
spiritual book a personal Christian. But read any of them
and let God speak to you. Don't just take it
from another man or woman standing on a stage telling
you what to believe. I would help believe my events.
I'm not here to tell you how to be. Who
the hell would I be to do that. I'm not

(01:14:00):
sharing with you insights and tools and strategies that can
help you guide yourself to whoever you want to be,
and hopefully to ask you who do you want to
be in this lifetime? Because in the end, what you
get is not going to make you happy. Who are
you going to become that's going to make you happy
or sad? So I think it's an individual decision, and
I think it evolves for people over time. But I
think it's one of the most important things because for
those who believe there's nothing, you know, nihilistic but this

(01:14:25):
moment or this body, I think that's a big mistake.
It's like saying Whibster's Dictionary as results of an explosion
a print factory, it all came together perfectly in balance.
I just don't buy that, even logically. And I think
you're missing out on life if you don't think there's
something more than you and also something more to serve
than you. And that gives me personally a great sense
of meaning.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Yeah, Tony, thank you for your work, your tools, your insights,
your life.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Appreciate service. Thank you for your time and energy today.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Thank you for all that you do. I appreciate it
so much.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
I'm so grateful. For our friendship. Honestly, it's been true.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
It's been a real gift, and I want to push
people to Time to Rise Summit dot com. Time to
Rise Summit dot com. That's where you can subscribe. Remember
you can sign up for absolutely free to join the
Time to Rise Summit. Can be a part of it.
With all of the seminars, the insights, three hours a day.
It's very rare that we get to do a podcast
and I get to direct you to something which will

(01:15:16):
exactly solve what we've been talking about today. We get
to do that, get to give you this summit as
a gift. It's absolutely free that Tony's doing with him
and his friends Time to risesummit dot com. Please go
do yourself a favor. It's a gift, it's free. Start
your year off right, get into that great season in
the first quarter of this year, and remember I'm forever
in your corner and always rooting for you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Tony.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Thank you so much, Thank you, Brodie, Thank you appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Thank you so much for listening to this conversation. If
you enjoyed it, you'll love my chat with Adam Grant
on why discomfort is the key to growth and the
strategies for unlocking your hidden potential. If you know you
want to be more and achieve more this year, go
check it out right now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
You set a goal today, you achieve it in six months,
and then by the time it happens, it's almost a relief.
There's no sense of meaning and purpose. You sort of
expected it, and you would have been disappointed if it
didn't happen.

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