Reasonable Doubt pt. 1

Reminsicing on POG & Catching up on all things Karen Read

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake up, wake yo, wake.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Fry yay, fry yay.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
But rain tomorrow morning, I mean that's bad and to
most of midday tomorrow. Yeah, but then after that it's
going to clear out. I think. So that's positive news.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Well, I have rain today, tomorrow and Sunday. But you
know that could mean one spot shower like we don't know.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, especially like time wise, it could be like rain
at six am, and.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Which would be great.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Which is this even when you look at the iPhone,
because then it makes you feel like it's going to
rain all weekend, which is not always the case.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
I know could and that's so true because it could be.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
It literally could rain at four five, six A and
then you have the whole day. A couple of my
friends are going on a bachelorette party this weekend and
they're going to Nantucket, and I feel so bad because they.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Just keep they all keep staring at the weather.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah you know, and you aren't invited to this. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I'm friends with the bride, but not friends where I
would go. I'm going to the wedding, but I'm not
like a bridesmaid or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I feel like the older I get, the less interested
I am going on stuff like that, like bachelor parties.
I'm like done with those things, Like I'm out of
the age of that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
But like, you know, what's so crazy. I was thinking
about this. I feel as if I'm out of the
age of it two. But I still have a ton
of single friends that would maybe do one. But even
when I was in the age of it, I've only
ever been on two.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Really. Yeah, like I used to like, you know, back
in my twenties. Yeah, they were fun, but now, like
there were a few times we went to Vegas too,
which was unreal. Yeah, Montreal with like, yeah, I got crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Maybe because my like ten closest some aren't married.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, I don't know, so there's a chance you could
be going on like yah.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Actually, my one of my besties, Lindsay, just got engaged and.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
There has been no talk.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
I'm gonna text her right now because because guess what,
as you are saying you won't go, I will.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah. I feel like to the older you get, the
whole dynamic of them changed. When you're younger, you want
to party, do the stripper thing and all that stuff.
The older you get it's like, eh, let's play golf.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
I just I just asked her, are we having a
boucher up party?

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
I mean, listen, I get invited, I'm going, I'm going.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
And there's gonna be all younger people, and they're gonna
be like, who's that forty year old that's partying.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
So hard they're not gonna be able to keep up
with me. Not my problem.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
I had a friend that was a stripper when he
was in the military, and he said bachel rep parties
were like the worst in the sense of like him
hooking up with women and all that stuff.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
And it was like, because that doesn't there's no that
that doesn't happen anymore, right, Like strippers at boucher rep parties.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
I think it happened.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
I feel like back in the day, you'd have to okay,
knock knock, knock on.

Speaker 5 (02:59):
The door, and it's the police, yeah and mail.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, and those guys clean up with everybody.

Speaker 6 (03:10):
My friend just held one for her people's maybe three
months ago, four months ago.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
And they had a male stripper. Was he dressed like
a like a policeman and he was.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
The consistencies of police officers and like firemen. Yeah, all
that all that, Yeah, I can still.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
You know, I told you the one time in Saint Louis,
we used to always go to the strip clubs. That
you went out in Saint Louis and you went to
the East Side, you went to the strip clubs. We
one time went to the Mail strip club once and
those those guys at that strip club that were dancing
go to Joe's hideaway when they're not okay, not for me.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Oh, here we go. Here's here's Linday. Let's see if
we're having a boucher a party, she said. I hope.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
So back in the day when I worked for Kiss,
I used to set up there there Friday night show
like they're live broadcast from the Roxy and before the yeah,
before the night started, there was a Chippendale show like
before that. So I'd be setting up like during the
show and all this stuff. And again the women in
there were just salivating at all these guys.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
I'm yeah, like like atum type.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yes they were, but the women were like ferociously salivating.
After all these guys thirst things so hard and like
somebody's wanting them, like you're gonna go home to your
husband now, just be so disappointed, right, like these were
these were.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
I don't think so. It's like a little fun getaway.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
That I saw. Man, these women were like begging, begging
for it.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
So anyways, I personally prefer the female strip club, which
was good for my friend Lindsay because she's a lesbian,
so she probably would prefer that to get it.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
But I'm in and.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Where you guys always tell me which strip club is
the best one to go to. They don't cut rules,
the Providence ones.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, it's not that they don't have not moret out there?
What rule? Are you gonna break all of them up? Oh?

Speaker 2 (05:03):
If they exist, I'm breaking them. I've been on a
boucherette party in years Providence, watch out, but I will
lock my doors, I get out of my car.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Man, especially in the Jamie Morning Show with DJ Foreign
and Sauty when you.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
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May thirtieth, Big, big, big day, everybody, because yesterday in
debt him, the prosecution officially arrested.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
They wrapped up things with our guy Judson Wilcher.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
I can't wait for seven thirty to have a little
chit chat with Nick, because I know Nick is gonna
tell me to shut up. I mean, not really, but
he'll say Ashley Judson Walcher was a poor I mean,
he couldn't prove that the suspension two days later was
the same suspect. He's gonna go with the suspension. Mark
it down people. He'll bring up this. Di's mentioned to me,

(06:01):
But I thought Judson Welcher had his you know what? Together,
Me and Form were just talking about that. That man
was trained.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
He knew how to.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Handle anything coming his way. There were multiple times where
he had to say to ALESSI, No, you're trying to
make two things want No, you're not right, You're not accurate.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
But I can tell you one thing.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
That man was happy to get off that stand.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Doctor Welcher.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
He's awesome.

Speaker 7 (06:27):
Oh my god, thank you. Give me a minute to
pack up and I will be out of here.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Oh my god, thank you give me a minute. I
am packing up by belong.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
That can't be fun for anybody.

Speaker 8 (06:36):
No, but the.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
One thing about him is you could feel in your
soul that man believed in his research. He believed in
the efforts that he put in and he doesn't feel
like he left any page unturned.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
When somebody is that confident what they're saying, especially in
a situation like that, it's definitely more impactful.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Couldn't agree more. I mean, the man went method like,
he went method, he got a wig, that's like.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
And those videos were really convince mm hm.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
As Hank Brennan wrapped everything up with him, he then
played this clip in court as the last thing the
jury saw from the prosecution side.

Speaker 9 (07:12):
The day after this happened, the day after John was killed,
I was confused and bewildered. There was no memory of
anything happening, but I had been drinking and it was late.
I never heard from him again ever, obviously, so I thought,
could I have run him over? Did he try to
get me as I was leaving and I didn't know it.

(07:34):
I mean, I've always got the music blasting, it's snowing,
I got the wipers going, the heat or blasting. Did
he come and hit hit the back of my car
and I hit him in the knee and he was
drunk and passed out and asphyxiated or something. And then
when I hired David Yanetti, I asked him those questions.
The night of January twenty ninth, David, what if I
don't know, what if I ran his foot over or

(07:56):
what if I clipped him in the knee and he
passed out and or went to care for himself and
he threw up or passed out, and David c then
you have some element of culpability, imy.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
If you think you might have done it. Where is
that clip from I've never heard that.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Oh yeah, that's from the doc. You've heard that.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Everything they is from Body in the Snow somewhere from me.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Okay, so it's from the I D one, but the
ID one is the one.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Okay, so it was an ID doc called Body in
the Snow, but the.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Max put it. Okay, Now, I understand.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
But guys, if she doesn't know if she thought it,
you're expecting a jury And I'd be like, no, I
mean you didn't.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
And that's the last thing they get to. Yeah, that's
not good. The interviews we go back to it, like
the worst thing she could have done is done this
whole pr blitz and going on all these TV shows her.
I understand.

Speaker 6 (08:56):
And now they're using you as as a witness without
bringing you on the stand.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
It is slick, but today's the day defenses up.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
I can tell you via Karen that the defense is
going to start with Matthew Desogra from Delta. Delta is
a company who's experts specialized in accident reconstruction, biomechanics, event
data recorders and digital media. That is what it says
on their website. So Matthew de Sogra is going to
be up first. When Karen left court yesterday, she was asked,

(09:28):
will you take the stand? Her answer TVD will Michael
Procter take the stand? Her response is the same as
always TBD, and when asked to summarize the prosecution's case
against her, she answered with one word, unjust.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Karen should not take the stand.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Karen should not take it in that carey. Hey, no way,
no way. They don't want this, they don't want Hank
smoke with that.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
No way.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
But listen, I remember a couple of weeks back, she said, listen,
I can't wait for us to get up there and
show our side at this.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
I'm anxious. I can't wait to see it too.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
She also said it will probably take about a week
and a half two weeks, which puts us to wear
say like mid June, before the July fourth, we might
have an answer on this thing.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
People.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
This whole second time around has been more streamlined, like
we're ready trim.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
It is true, the trim fast thing they really did.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
All right, we mentioned it earlier, but the Shakira show
was canceled. It was Shakira, Jason Aldan and Brooks and Done.
It was supposed to happen last night and they canceled it.
Literally is their two separate concerts. One was last night,
the other one actually tomorrow or thank you? Because I
did think to myself, Shakira, Brooks and Done and Jason
ald What a combo. So Shakira is supposed to happen

(10:51):
Thursday night, Brooks and Doune and Jason Alden Friday night.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Correct, all right, so now we're on Now we're on
the same page. Thank you. So Shakira show last night
gets canceled, but.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
It's just hours before it was set to happen and
people were coming in.

Speaker 10 (11:04):
I asked for my day off in my job. Lit
a lot of money, various spensiltiiciz.

Speaker 11 (11:09):
We flew in yesterday and then we came through the
subway and trains and we got here and canceled.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
That's tough.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
So the show initially was canceled due to unforeseen circumstances,
which we all hate, like, give us an answer. Eventually,
we found out during their pre show check that there
were structural elements identified as not being up to standard,
so the shows were canceled and all team members are safe.
So something about the stage setup wasn't working out and

(11:39):
could have been dangerous.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
But it sounds like they're using the same stage for
both concerts, which is tells me that it's not Shakira's
stage setup so much. It's more Fenways.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Well, Fenway said the Shakira and Jason Alden and Brookes
and Dunn performances originally scheduled for May twenty ninth and
May thirtieth, respectively.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
If them we haven't canceled.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Refunds will be available at your point of purchase. We
apologie for the inconvenice. So it doesn't really say that
they're they're they're they're giving.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
A combo answer.

Speaker 6 (12:05):
An inspector from the city came in was like, I
don't like doing this. Is looking who's gonna grease my hand?
Nobody would shut That's probably right, probably.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Right, possibly but I mean there you were listening to
an interview this morning of somebody that came in from Columbia.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Absolutely they were heartbroken and like they can get the refunds,
but they don't get the refunds on the plane tickets,
hotels and all.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
And all that do this often where they travel to
go to a concert. I've never done that. I always
just wait and hope if they come around here. But
this is people do this.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
They plan their trips around these shows, and that's tough.

Speaker 12 (12:37):
I think.

Speaker 6 (12:37):
But hours before that it starts that that's a little crazy,
Like I'm walking in and you're telling me that it's canceled.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Not yeah, that's wild. I don't think it's going to
reschedule because to try to find the data on Fenway Park.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
That's the vibe I got to like. It's not even
like we'll get with you for a later date.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
It was like nothing ness.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Like you're gonna get your money back, go to the
source where you both the tickets.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
All right.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yesterday, Offsets wanted to try to amend his divorce response
to Carti, and it looks like Offset is asking for
spousal support, no specific amount in the dock that he's requesting.
But this comes right after their divorce proceedings that they've
had over the last few months. Remember Cardi filed I

(13:20):
think it was in August of twenty twenty four, so
this is kind of an ongoing. He also wants a
joint custody of the kids, but he does want Cardi
to keep the primary residence, which is nice because you
know they got three kits little wave culture in Kiari. Anyways,
I think it's gonna get ugly between the two of them.

(13:42):
I think it's a weird thing that Offset is asking
for spousal support from Carti when we know they're both rich.
So it does give you this feeling in your tummy
that Offset is doing this to mess with Carti.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
I don't know. You also just don't hear it from
the guy is exactly.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Right, because all Set's not going to run around being
like I'm poor. He's going to run around being like
this is what she gets.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
I picture that, not like I need the money.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
And then you start thinking if he wins, how much
is he actually gonna get a lot? Because Cardi has
money a lot, right, Carding maeks way more than all
Set does.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
So you know he well, he's still he doesn't need it.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
I mean, we don't know his lifestyle.

Speaker 6 (14:21):
You know, he's running around with a bunch of broads.
He might be you know, he might need some extra
cash to be able.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
To go dating.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
And that's what she's gonna feel like. It's not a
spousal support. Is not me funding your kids. That's gonna
be me funding your curriculars.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Have fun with the pats game. I'm gonna be over
here spending money on chicks.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
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Speaker 3 (15:04):
I absolutely positively know that we have talked about this
on the show before, but there's something about us going
back through our childhood days that just brings me joy
thinking about those times.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Every night.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
The fireman watches this video on YouTube and it's like
a seventeen second video, but the guy shows things from
our childhood.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
And we're always like, do you remember that? Do you
remember that? And POGs came up?

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Oh, POGs?

Speaker 2 (15:36):
And are you guys maybe a little too old for POGs?

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, but I know what they are because POGs were
hot for like, I'm know, a different kind of pog.
I don't know what pul yet talking about.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
Let's see other POGs stand for. Can you say awg pog?

Speaker 2 (15:51):
What's a pawg pog? Can you say it? Can I go?

Speaker 1 (15:55):
I mean we can? Can we? I don't even I'm
I'm curious fat white girls.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
Except the p ish at Oh.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
So the opposite of me?

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, sure has in the package?

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah yeah, okay, so it can be stands for a
this one says white girl with big ass.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Okay, No, I'm talking p og.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Where you had a case of POGs, like a tall,
skinny case of POGs with slammers?

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Aj, did you do POGs? Okay?

Speaker 3 (16:29):
So maybe it was our age. I'm thirty eight, going
to be thirty nine in November. But it's funny because
I POGs came up in this video and then I
found this because the.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Phone's always listened. Somebody send me a video of of
POGs things.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
So I posted it and mad people are hitting me up,
being like, oh my god, I'm like literally back into
my childhood. We used to do it at like we
had recess and it was raining in school. For when
you take these like little circle things and you stack
them on top of each other, right, but you flip
them upside down, and then you have what's called a slammer,
and you have you collect slammers.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
You want cool slammers.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
You take the slammer, you throw it down onto the
pile of POGs, and if they flip over to the
other side, you get to keep that person's pots.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
I have the chills.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
I found myself to be very good, but it was
heartbreaking when you lost, like a really good pot.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Why don't you buy a bunch of them because on
eBay there's a ton available and the prices are decent.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Well, it's just so funny because I didn't know that
it was so age appropriate like that.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
It must have been a phase like quick in and out,
because you.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Guys are this doesn't even seem familiar to me at all,
really at all.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
What like if it was raining outside and you guys
had recess, what were you what were you playing?

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Well, we always went outside when it was it was raining, absolutely,
yeah in school.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, like if it was a downpour out there.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
We went outside. For the most part. You just didn't
go and get that web, but yeah they did. It
was the eighties, it was different.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Yeah, in a downpour, that's when we were allowed to
play POGs.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
So did you play POGs ash?

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Did you have aj did you have a different time
or do you remember playing them in school? You know
What's funny, I don't know if I've ever played, but
I collected.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Them, like I never played the actual game.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, Like I said, I don't know, I don't.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
I feel like I never knew how to play.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
I would just wanted to like collect them and get
like all the cool ones and the slammers and stuff
like that.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Wow, that's grea.

Speaker 10 (18:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
I only ever played Pa was different or Jersey, but Jersey. Yeah,
but these are all collectibles now. I think for me
when I was younger, it was all like the outdoor
sports and all like the eighties stuff that we were like, Yes,
pretending to be things.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Yeah, I mean, I don't want to say I think
that that was my childhood too.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
I think this was just I mean, I'm talking POGs.

Speaker 12 (18:50):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
When I was in second grade, was nice nineties and
so we were outside. I mean it was kickball for us.
Ninety eight per of the time it's drizzling, we're going out.
But like every once in a while, if it was
like thunder lightning, downpour, we got to stay inside. They
might take us to the cafeteria for the hour or
whatever and we would get to play POGs. Yeah, and

(19:11):
I just it was the best time.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
You've mentioned that before, and POGs really hit with you.
I think I think it depending on where you are
in age, right, like coming of age and that time
it feels so important to you and so special. It does.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
And I had a woman write me and she's like,
this just brought me back so much, she said, because
I'm older, but I had a younger sister, and my
sister like was obsessed with POGs and I would play
POGs with her.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
She's like, but it was not my time, Like, we
didn't play.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
POGs that timeframe. For me. Baseball cards were the biggest
thing collecting baseball cards, buying them, like bringing them to school.
One time I had a stack of that were amazing
stolen so right around the second like third grade was.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
That And remind me, did you guys have the recorder?

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Uh? We did not know. I think that again that
was after us. The recorder was a flu right, that's.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
That plastic flute? Yeah, Hot Cross Buns? Is that the
way you That's one of the songs we used to.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Learn, Hot Cross.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
I one time here on the air when we talked
about I said, nobody used to use that, like that's
like stupid the phone call, but I didn't.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
They're doing it.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
That's that's the last time we spoke about the recorder.
I still still to this day have people send me
messages about me talking about the record.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
But does it make any sense for you to or
anyone to use that? Shouldn't they be teaching music in
different ways? And the stupid flute?

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Did you guys in gym class do the thing where
you take the big parachute.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
And throw it up?

Speaker 2 (20:34):
And when you were younger, yeah, did you learn line dancing?

Speaker 1 (20:37):
We didn't learn line danceing the gym teacher. Okay, square
like yeah, And you would dance with the teacher.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
No, you would dance with another students, okay.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
But the teacher was was instructing, Yeah something about that,
right mind dancing guys like.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
They put us in like little squares and we would
dance in our square like and you learn but a lot.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Honestly, they weren't even with anybody. You'd never touched the person.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
You were in a block, and the teacher never never
got arrested like afterwards.

Speaker 13 (21:13):
No, they stood at the front and we were on
our little blocks like crazy times it is, and I
think in the eighties so many things and like just
went went away.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
But if you think back, like you can think back
to some teachers that you were like, hey, because what
were you born? Eighty?

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Okay, so I'm eighty six, Yeah, so its not that.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Far not that far apart. But when you go for
pop culture stuff, it changes and moves so fast.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
This pog still, this pog thing does. It's like one
of those things that then last I guess what.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Year were you born?

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Eighty?

Speaker 12 (21:43):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (21:44):
So okay, so yeah, no pop, I'm telling you, I.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Think pops in my life.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
That is so because because six years really isn't that
big of a difference. But I guess in that time,
if you think about it, you guys would be out
of grade school.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
When I was coming in.

Speaker 6 (21:57):
I still feel like, you know, these kind of games
back in the they kind of still transitioned through generations,
you know what I mean, Like they stuck around for
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
I don't remember, Like the Giga Pets were massive, but
I was passed up. But I was away too aware
of it, That's what I'm saying. Like you could see it, like, yeah,
so you had to feed it and all this, like
had one. It was annoying.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Tama Gotchi, Tama gotcha.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, I'm doing Google images of POGs and Slammer.

Speaker 6 (22:27):
Like I'm watching videos of them playing the game. I
don't remember none of this.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
You see what I mean where you're getting it flip over.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
They got mats and everything.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Oh yeah, they were poking, yes, and like you would be,
you'd be, oh my god, there's an there's like the
Slammers were all different kinds. This one has a picture
of OJ's face in a SLAMMERJSON Slammer.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Do you need to buy that?

Speaker 2 (22:50):
You can buy You can literally buy right now.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
The two players starter set, you know what I am gonna.
I feel like we opened up the phone lines once
about the recorder, but maybe we'll do it for POGs
because yeah, like it came and went. But when I
post about it and mad people are like, ashually, oh
my god. Well maybe it was just certain states, Like maybe.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
It was I think it was an age demo thing, you.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Know, Okay, let's see six one seven, nine three one
one nine four five six one seven nine three one
one nine four five.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
I am in my.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Feels about my pog collection and don't get me going
my slammer collections.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
That's all that.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Need.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yeah, Wow, Hi everybody, good morning. It's actually in the
jam of Morning show. Anytime we talk about like nostalgic
things from our time period, our time period.

Speaker 8 (23:45):
I get.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
I get in my feelings so much because I I
I really did love the times in which we grew up.
So I was born in eighty six. The guys were
born in eight the eighties, eighty so Satine, I were
really just saying, like Sato's in middle school and fore
you guys were in middle school when I was just
coming into kindergarten.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
So it's a it's definitely different.

Speaker 12 (24:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
At that time, I was trying to make up with girls.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
We're talking about POGs because I had I had a
really ill pog collection and I loved playing and I
loved my slammers. But Shavn just wrote me and she goes,
you have me in my feels.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Ash.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
I remember when they banned POGs at school because kids
were getting so upset when they lost, and then parents
will get mad because they bought all the POGs, and
the kids would come home with no POGs because they
played and lost all their POGs. So maybe that is
what happened. Maybe we were playing it and there was
just too many complaints, so they cut POGs quick because
it was a cutthroat game. Husky Husky, Oh husky alum

(24:43):
as in like Northeastern alum.

Speaker 14 (24:45):
Yes, oh blossom blossom eight by wow Oh I love it? Yes, yes,
So I kid you not man like I swear. Sometimes
this is gonna sound slightly stalkers, but I swear sometimes
we're living parallel lives. I mean, my daughter crawled out

(25:05):
of the crib the same time your daughter crawled out.
Just all sorts of things.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
Wow.

Speaker 14 (25:10):
Anyway, quiet being. We literally just gave my younger brother
a binder full of POGs and slammers this past weekend
to take back with him to price out. And we
were telling him because he's born in ninety two, and
we were like explaining to him about how to play
POGs and everything, and he's like, nasist, I don't know

(25:31):
nothing about that. So even from him being born, you know,
like seven years later, he didn't know anything about it either,
But I did you not. We his mom had saved them,
and so we literally just gave my brother binders full
of POGs for him to price out. And I also
remember country line dancing because yes, oh my god, yes,

(25:55):
because it was a winter unit because you couldn't go out. Yeah,
and you used to try to hook up and square
up with the cute boys and everything. Oh yeah, I remember,
and the left hand Star and the right hand Star and.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
All thats wait are you from? Where are you from?

Speaker 14 (26:09):
I'm from Long Island and my husband's from Jersey.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
So maybe it maybe it really is just like our
little realm of the world.

Speaker 12 (26:18):
State.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
People that are from mass are hitting me up about POGs.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
But I think this this girl Shavn that wrote me
has a point because they may have just banned them
quick because it was getting crazy in the school, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, no, it's.

Speaker 14 (26:32):
Yeah, I don't know, but I know my husband had
binders full, so he must have been naught.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Well, yeah, talk about pricing them out? What would you
make for your paw collection?

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Cau.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
I'm gonna see if I wanna slap myself because I
had a really good one.

Speaker 14 (26:42):
But are you he's doing he's doing it right now.
But there were some like in like slammers, and like
some of the nicer ones that he had, like individual
ones were going for like twenty bucks a pop. The
most expensive we.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Found just so everybody's clear pot like the not the slammers,
but the POGs are paid like they're not cardboard, their
cardboard paper there it's just cardboard.

Speaker 14 (27:03):
Yeah, but like they were, like, you know, the the
most expensive one that we probably we didn't do them
all because it was too many, but the most expensive
one that we priced out was like twenty bucks and
then there we're done. That were a dollar or whatever.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
But yeah, wow, that's so cool. Well thank you for that,
because now I feel seen because we're not like I'm
not alone in the light act. It was a creep
for doing the line dancing out yeah, no.

Speaker 14 (27:29):
Man, and like and if you have the same gym
class with like you know certain boys or whatever.

Speaker 12 (27:36):
Rem hey, hey, you remember your name.

Speaker 14 (27:38):
I'm not going to shout out mind, but you know
what I'm saying the name. Hey, I can say that much.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
All right, Well, thank you so much for the call.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
I mean, listen, I think when you think about especially
because a lot of people listen to this show. We
have young people that listen, for sure, but a lot
are our age and in their thirties, mint thirds and stuff.
So we did have these chared shared childhood experiences and
we talk about how it was different for us.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
But uh, car than it is now. I mean, Carly
is in Derry. Hi, Carly, Hi, good morning.

Speaker 15 (28:07):
How are you guys?

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Okay, So you also collected POGs, Like, isn't this the best.

Speaker 15 (28:12):
Elected the pog?

Speaker 10 (28:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (28:13):
It was great. But my dad got mad at me
because my room was displaying them and he thought it
looked so messy. I just had, you know, like my
POGs all on display everywhere in their booklets, and he was,
You've got to put this away. You got to get
through the way.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yes, I feel like you know where you guys put
those binders with the baseball cards and people would have
pog binders.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, so the collect the fogs.

Speaker 15 (28:33):
He came in, cleaned up, and then my fool band
them like the next week. I never even got to
play during indoor recess.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
So listen now and now tell everybody about the other
game that you remember playing, because trust me, I.

Speaker 15 (28:43):
Don't know if this was regional. I was from like
the Wooster area, and during outdoor recess, just one tennis ball.
We would bounce it off the school as hard as possible,
but if you missed the catch, like when on the
return you had to run up to the brick wall,
and if you didn't get there in time, the other
kids would just whip the ball.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I killed. Called suicide.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
They would not be allowed to play anymore. But the
game was literally called suicide. We would call it suey
like we would literally after school in like fifth sixth grade.
You want to go play some suey.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
The feeling of the ball hitting in the middle of
the back is the absolute war.

Speaker 8 (29:16):
Yeah, I said, Carly, Yes, play a little light game
of suicide.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Like oh my god, Okay, thank you for that, because
I absolutely remember.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Did you guys play kickball too? And that was a
big one.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
And dodgeball, Yeah, I used to kill some people with that. Yeah,
you would always like aim for the.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, guys, man the best of times.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, can we go back because now the world is soft.
You can't ball that people, it's so stupid.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
No, you could never play a game like called siuey anymore.
I mean no, yeah, no, no.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
That was the name of the game everybody, for the
one person that's gonna try to it was the name
of the game.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
And dodgeball, God forbid the unathletic kids, you know they would.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Comp Oh yeah, I I myself was the pitcher for
kickball like I I was, Oh I was.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
I would spin ith.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
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Speaker 2 (30:28):
You haven't any more Vive Friday, May thirtieth, Big Day.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yesterday, prosecution has officially rested their case in Denham.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
And you know what that means. The defense is up. Today.
Nick Roco woke up feeling different today.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Nick Kroco feels he's salvating at.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
The chance game. Day Baby.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
The prosecution wrapped up with Judson Welcher. I can't wait
to talk to Nick about him. I thought did a
great job. I mean, he believed in his research. The
man went method. He bought the same outfit that John
was wearing, bought the exact same lexus, you know, recreated
what could have happened that night, so visually people could
kind of see.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
I'll tell you what though, there was no.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Better words that he could possibly hear other than the
ones from Judge Judge Bev Canoni where she.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Told him, all right, man, you're all set.

Speaker 7 (31:23):
No, doctor Welcher's awesome. Oh my god, thank you, Carol.
Give me a minute to pack up and I will
be out of here.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
You know, if you couldn't could have said, oh my god, thank.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
You, he would have.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
This guy was a character.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
But you know, I usually I think with the with
the cross Bob a LESSI does a fantastic job of
like rattling people.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
And shaking them up to the point where they might
I mean.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Look what he did to Shannon Burgess like that wasn't pretty,
but he wasn't rattling Judson.

Speaker 12 (31:52):
He couldn't.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
He just seems so confident.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, he was confident in his work. He was confident
in his research.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Which goes very far, especially to the jury.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
The prosecution and Hank Brannan ended court yesterday with a
clip of Karen from the documentary Body in the Snow.

Speaker 9 (32:08):
The day after this happened, the day after John was killed,
I was confused and bewildered. There was no memory of
anything happening. But I had been drinking and it was late.
I never heard from him again ever, obviously, so I thought,
could I have run him over? Did he try to
get me as I was leaving and I didn't know it.

(32:30):
I mean, I've always got the music blasting, it's snowing,
I got the wipers going, the heat or blasting. Did
he come and hit the back of my car and
I hit him in the knee and he was drunk
and passed out and asphyxiated or something. And then when
I hired David Yannetti, I asked him those questions the
night of January twenty ninth, David, what if I don't know,

(32:50):
what if I ran his foot over or what if
I clipped him in the knee and he passed out
and or went to care firms and he threw up
or passed out, and David Cia then you have some
element of culpability.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
It's worse every time.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
By the way, at one point, when she says the
word hit, she hit something to like make this sound,
it's like, honey, we're talking about a grown man here.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Let's yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
I never thought that the documentary did anything for her.
I never did you know, if anything made things worse?

Speaker 2 (33:22):
I do.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah, Now Nick fights that has fought that with us,
But that I mean, that's that's that's her literally saying
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
I mean, how about her describing how she.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Dropped, I'm drunk, I have my music blasting the wind.
She's setting the scene for what it could have.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Been, and then to also like pretty much come really
close to what the scenario could have been. It seems
really like, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
It's off putting and I can't wait to talk to
Nick and just a little bit, because you know, Judson
Welcher was very very adamant that when Karen pulled out
of John O'Keefe's home at Meadows that her card didn't
even registered that as a collision, because that is how
light lightly her lexus bumped his.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
I think it was a Chevy Traverse.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Didn't even register as it knocked a little bit of
snow off. Now the defense is trying to say, no,
that's where she cracked her tail light.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
If she did not crack her tail.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Light at Meadows, that did not happen. Proved to me
that it didn't happen at thirty eight fair View thirty
four thirty four, How did it happen?

Speaker 1 (34:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Nick's gonna tell you.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
I don't know. I answer yesterday was very impactful for
the prosecution.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Defenses up today. When Karen left court yesterday, she was
asked will you take the stand? Her answer was tbd.
Will Michael Procter take the stand? Also answered with tbd.
Matthew Desogra is going to be up first for the defense.
He works for a company who specializes in accident reconstruction.
When asked to summarize in her opinion Karen Reid's opinion
on the prosecution's case, she described it in one word.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
She said, it was quote unjust sit there you have it.
Nickkroko will join us in just about fifteen minutes.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
All right, Shakira show canceled yesterday, and the Jason El
Dean and Brooks and Dune show is canceled for tonight.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Remember in the last hour when I what a show?

Speaker 3 (35:16):
But anyways, people were literally ready to go for Shakira
last night.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Just hours before the show it was canceled.

Speaker 10 (35:26):
I asked for my day off at my job. Thet's
a lot of money, Barius Spensildkaz.

Speaker 11 (35:31):
We flew in yesterday and then we came through the
subway and trains and we got here and we're canceling.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
It's tough.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
It's heartbreaking. That's tough.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
I mean, people were flying in from Colombia to see Shakira.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Couldn't I figured this out at least a few days before,
so maybe they could.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Well here's what I didn't like.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
They cancel it hours before you fly in from Columbia
and all you're offering up is unforeseen circumstances. I would
want to kill somebody like that. That would make me
so mad. Now, later we found out that there was
structural elements that weren't set to certain standards for the shows,
so people could have gotten hurt, which okay, like make it,
make a little bit.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
More sense, but they always do that. They're always hiding
the like, by the way, what happened with CLC at
the Boston Calling Music Fest? Will we ever get an answer.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
On that why they didn't go? They didn't show.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Guys, they canceled last minute for medical like unforeseen circumstances,
and then they.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
Were like, it's a medical circumstances happened to left couldn't
make it usually.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Left fields for me, I actually can't respond because I'm
so used to it being him and not you.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I don't think she. I don't think she was slated.
I'll say that anyways.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Ben Way posted and they said, listen, refunds are gonna
be available wherever your point of purchases. We apologize for
the Incan means, here's what the problem's gonna happen, because
people don't understand this. When you buy from like a
third fourth party site, your your tickets and getting.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Your money back like something like that.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Some of them you can, but a lot of times
through hoops you really no. I've seen people posting like
I bought my tickets off this site that site, and
they don't get their money back because it's like Joe
Schmoe buys tickets, sells into something and then resells and
it's gone.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Price has increased too, So you're not getting not giving you.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
He's not all right.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
It is Friday, so that means Forun's gonna bless us
with some new music.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
What do we got?

Speaker 1 (37:24):
All right?

Speaker 6 (37:24):
What do y'all want to start? Y'all want to start
out us out of New England or within New England?
Let's start within, all right? So let's do this at DMX,
as y'all know, legendary hip hop artist nor Peat to
the Dog?

Speaker 1 (37:36):
You mean all right?

Speaker 6 (37:37):
Pezza the Dog teaming up with Jonah Lucas from What's
set of five A to? This is his second collaboration,
by the way. They had done one before in his
other album, Jonah's Other album. But this one is a
dope vibe. I'm gonna get you'all opinion on it. It's
called bring Out. I think the bad in me? I
can't read it fully? Can somebody help me over there
on the screen?

Speaker 1 (37:55):
What does it bring the worst in me? My bad?
DMX and Jonah Lucas taming up on from let me
know what you think about it? If you get dried?
But I do fight. This can't seem to do right,
can't run with the big dogs. Genes is too tight.

Speaker 7 (38:09):
I were doing this for trus Do but you can't
bite me off the mat.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
But then you saw then you know you wrong?

Speaker 12 (38:15):
Try Sea.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, well there you sit there, Remember twenty years and
twenty years old. It's back on the block if you go.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Forein could be a silly question, is it ai?

Speaker 1 (38:28):
No?

Speaker 6 (38:29):
No, no, No, DMX had stayed How does he actually
stayed out here for a while New Hampshire and mask
you used to get spotted all the time. No, I
do not believe this is a I believe they did
a track together, or.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Maybe it's a verse, but no, it's just coming out.

Speaker 6 (38:42):
And remember they also did another song before when after
DMX had passed on Jonah's other album. But no, I
believe that they linked up in the studio. I think
there's even a time that DMX had pulled up to
one of his shows out here somewhere. DMX at the
time was going through I believe, rehab, and he was
out here.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Kind of going know what I remember for him up, Yes.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
He was everywhere, he was everywhere you were, and.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
He was taking pictures of you everybody.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
He was mad, cool and anything like that.

Speaker 6 (39:06):
So I think around that time is when they probably
linked up and dropped these verses because even in the verse,
you hear what he's saying. You know, I've been twenty
years in and yeah, twenty years old. I've been doing
rapping since he was twenty years old though not even
a baby. But yeah, I don't believe this is a
I think this is a real verse for show.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
I like here in DM Mexican.

Speaker 6 (39:22):
Yeah, DMX sound a good. Jonahs sounded good on it
as well, so go check that out. Little Techa also
giving us a new joint. Little Tech has been from
he's been trying to line up for summer banger. You
guys might like this and appreciate it, especially you Santi.
It's called I don't even know how to say it,
Oh oh what? But anyway, play the.

Speaker 16 (39:40):
Samso I keep it stack.

Speaker 12 (39:57):
Don't got it going?

Speaker 5 (40:00):
Is you?

Speaker 16 (40:00):
So?

Speaker 2 (40:03):
I do kind of like to beat that. It's by
the way, it's.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Do y'all know what song that originally came from.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
It sounds all wait we played again, try to again.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
It's a little slow down run.

Speaker 16 (40:18):
I keep it stacking A.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Going to get it radio star Udio killed the radio Star.
Then yeah, it's a lot more faster.

Speaker 6 (40:36):
Yeah, it's a lot more fast. Wow, a little cheka,
some new music, a lot of new music. Also drive
me the mail. Got some new music out and a
bunch of other people, So make go check it out
at DJ Falling.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
All right, the three things need to know for Friday,
May thirtieth. Nick Rocco is going to join us in
just about ten minutes. But first let's took you up
at those weekends to get six one seven, nine, three
one one nine four five six one seven nine, three
one one nine or five collar twenty five.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
You're going to the weekend at Gillette Stadium.

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Speaker 2 (41:10):
Hip hop jam In ninety four or five. Hi, everybody,
good morning.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
As always every Friday at seven point thirty, we are
joined by our guy.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Nick Rocco.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
And I said it when I talked about him, I said,
I'm gonna say that I feel like Judson Welch this
week was a.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Really good witness for the prosecution.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
And Nick Rocco is gonna laugh in my face and
say Judson Welch, who And I know it's coming, but
I'm ready to go to war with you. It was
the week of Judson Welter. What a character he was.
I keep playing this clip because it's hilarious to me.
Moments after he was wrapped up yesterday, Judge Canoni said, hey,
thank you for your time.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
He said this nor doctor Welchers. Awesome, my thank you.

Speaker 7 (42:01):
Give me a minute to pack up and I will
be out of here.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Oh my god, thank you. He was like, give me
the hell out of debt um. Nick Rocco, you're gonna
tell me.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
That a accident reconstructionalist who's gone method.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
He's the Tom Cruise of them.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
He gets John O'Keefe's outfit, he gets the exact same
lexus that Karen had.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
He recreates what could have happened that night.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
You're gonna tell me that he wasn't fantastic on that stand.

Speaker 12 (42:33):
Yeah, absolutely, what I'm gonna tell you. He did not
prove or show anybody how John got these injuries. I mean, yes,
we saw him back up a vehicle, addresses John O'Keefe
at two miles per hour and rub blue paint on
his arm. But he didn't show us what they're accusing

(42:55):
Karen of, which is striking John o'keef with the vehicle
at twenty miles per hour or.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
A well, because he can't because what he could die.

Speaker 12 (43:03):
Well, you use a crash test dummy. And the reason
why you said you can't use a crash test dummy
is because it's gonna it's gonna ruin the car. Well,
that's the whole purpose. That's what supposedly Karen did that night,
and it only cracked her tail light. So if you
if you hit a dummy at twenty four miles per hour,
why is it going to destroy the car? If you
only have the arm out there and you only hit
the arm, it's not gonna destroy the car. It's only

(43:24):
gonna blow up the tail light into forty seven pieces.
And that's what you're trying to prove.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yes, but I'm assuming it's not his car to break.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
They probably own it.

Speaker 12 (43:35):
Well Alpature bought it, okay then, and they're gonna resell it.
Do okay, they get a new tail light. Oh, they
fix it. But the whole purpose of them buying this
vehicle was to show what Karen Reid did with it.
I mean, so basically, it's like, all right, I'm gonna
buy this vehicle for you know whatever, seventy thousand dollars,
and we're not going to really do any testing on

(43:57):
it because we want to make sure we can sell it.
Alf stuff.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine fine, I'm gonna bob Lessiu.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
I'm gonna ask a different question. I'm gonna ask it
a different Okay, let's go to Meadows.

Speaker 12 (44:08):
All right.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
You want us to believe that Karen Reid backed out
of John O'Keefe's garage, breaking her tail light there.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
At his home. Right, that that's what you believe. That's
where you think Karen broke that tail light? Correct?

Speaker 12 (44:24):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Okay, so we know for we know for sure that
the Lexus didn't register a collision at that time, meaning
it wasn't a big enough bump or a collision for
the car to register it. Judson Welter told us it
maybe would have knocked a little bit of snow off
the tail light, Right, how.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Do you fight that?

Speaker 12 (44:43):
Then? Wait?

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Wait, wait, wait, you're cutting out and I need to
hear this answer was.

Speaker 12 (44:50):
There was also there was also no collision event when
she apparently struck John o'keefee.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Then, yes, there was there was a reverse, right, there
was a reverse of the car.

Speaker 12 (44:59):
But but the trigger event was caused due to the
acceleration being opened at seventy four, striking the bar.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Johnson stopped getting mad at me.

Speaker 12 (45:08):
I'm I'm telling you, so you have the reason why
the trigger events happened was because of how fast she
stepped on the gas pedal, not because of her striking
a two hundred and sixteen pound man at supposedly twenty
four miles per houra that also didn't register a trigger,

(45:29):
So it's kind of its kind of washed each other out.
So there's no trigger of her hitting John o'que's vehicle
in the driveway, but there's also no trigger of or
collision of her hitting John O'Keefe.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
There was also no tail light found at John o'que's home,
not a single.

Speaker 12 (45:44):
Piece because if if you listen to one of the
clips that Hank Brennan played, Karen told Boston Magazine that
when she arrived back to John's house there was broken
tail light inside of the housing. Basically, when she backed
up and hit John's car, the tail light didn't fall

(46:04):
fall in on the ground. It fell inside the housing
because if you look in between your tail, like this
space between where the led strips are or a light
bulb and where the red tail like cover comes out,
there's a huge gap in there. So if you hit it,
it most definitely can fall inwards. So by her picking
them out like she said she did and put them
on the ground, they would have been not near John's car,

(46:26):
but closer to the garage. And then at that point,
who knows who shoveled or snoop of.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Her losing her boyfriend and all this happening, you're telling
me the first thing she did was go back and
pick up little pieces of tail light off John's car.

Speaker 12 (46:39):
No no, no, not off of John's car, out of her.
So when she showed Kerrie and Jen her car got it,
they were looking at the tail light and then she
picked a piece out and was like, well, yeah, like,
look I cracked my tail light, got it?

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Look at this all right?

Speaker 3 (46:54):
So you mentioned it, so I think, you know, remiss
of us not to chat about it. Hank Brennan has
been using Karen against Karen, and he's he's done a
pretty good job. He's picking these clips of you know,
the ID doc the interview.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
She's done.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
He ended court yesterday with this clip. I'm going to
play it for you and then we'll discuss.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
The day after this happened. The day after John was killed.

Speaker 9 (47:18):
I was confused and bewildered. There was no memory of
anything happening. But I had been drinking and it was late.
I never heard from him again ever, obviously, so I thought,
could I have run him over? Did he try to
get me as I was leaving and I didn't know it.
I mean, I've always got the music blasting, it's snowing,

(47:38):
I got the wipers going, the heat or blasting. Did
he come and hit hit the back of my car
and I hit him in the knee and he was
drunk and passed out and asphyxiated or something. And then
when I hired David Yannetti, I asked him those questions
the night of January twenty ninth, Like, David, what if
I don't know, what if I ran his foot over,
or what if I clipped him in the knee and

(48:02):
he passed out and or went to care for himself
and he threw up or passed out, And David Ciadie,
then you have some element of culpability neck.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Now you've you've remained strong on the fact that you
don't think any of these interviews that Karen has done
have been.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Damning to her.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
You're going to tell me that her basically describing how
she could have done it isn't damning for a jury
to see.

Speaker 12 (48:28):
So her describing how it could have potentially happened doesn't
necessarily mean that that is like that she did that,
right that you have so and also too is do
you think, for example, put yourself in that situation, would
you ultimately go on CAMRA knowing hundreds of thousands or
some millions of people are going to see this, and

(48:49):
then supposedly admit to something that the Commonwealth is trying
to charge you with.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
No.

Speaker 12 (48:54):
I think if you listen to the rest of what
is said after that, you know, it kind of puts
what she's saying bear into context. But yeah, I mean
the jury he has that. Yeah, and obviously they're like,
wait a minute, okay, so it's uh, you know, the
clip and the knee, But then you look at John's
body and there's literally like a three centimeter a little
boo boo on his knee. There's no bruise there's no

(49:16):
injury to the foot, there's no injuries to this man's
body except his arm in his head.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Yeah, like so well, no, I just I think I
thought a lot about this, obviously, I feel like it's
always talking think about But you know, we also don't
know the way in which John was walking behind the car.
I mean, Karen said herself, they're so drunk, like you're
you're not walking straight. There's there's other things. It's I mean,
it's not as cut and dry as we think. And

(49:42):
I think that's why we're here. We are back in
a mistrial. And listen, I've said it a million times.
I I feel like I changed my mind daily on
what I think. But no matter what, I still always
believe that there's enough reasonable doubt that they they shouldn't
be able to convict.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Karen on it.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
But I do think I'm not a juror, but I
do think that Judge and Welcher did a good job.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
At least to me. I'm just a civilian.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
I'm watching it just like the rest of everybody else
of me being like, okay, I can now start to
visualize how this could have happened. That's what I'm that's
what I'm saying, and then you hear Karen basically describe it.
My music's blaring, I got my windshield, waber's going, it's snowing,
and you're like, wait a second.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
That sounds like she's setting the scene right.

Speaker 12 (50:24):
Yeah, So you know, Welcher may have shown a video
of you know, John Oaks. You know what another thing
too is you want me, the commonwealth wants me to
believe and everyone else to believe that this Boston police
officer John O'Keefe gets out of his girlfriend's vehicle, watches
her drive thirty four feet forward, stands there, just stands there,

(50:46):
throws the car in reverse, and just still stands there
while she's reversing and just takes the hit. Like this
man would have gone out of the way. There's no
way he would have just stood there as she backed up,
because if you put the car into you know, go
twenty three miles products to make noise that the tiers
are gonna spin out. Like Judson said, you're gonna see
the vehicle coming, You're gonna you're gonna move. I mean,

(51:06):
you're not just gonna stand there.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
And get listen, I have a drink.

Speaker 12 (51:11):
This is not the first time John o'keef has had
a beer or two.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
But who doesn't a beer? He was drinking all day
all day.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
And by the way, big mom over here at me,
I don't walk straight when I'm drunk like that.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
He was drinking all day, all day long. Not a
beer two, that's not.

Speaker 12 (51:27):
I mean, what do you mean he was at He
went to C. F. McCarthy. He's had a few berzins.
Then he went to the waterfall. He wasn't drinking all
day long. Remember when they had on The ones that
was drinking all day long was Brian Higgins and Brian
out but they went to New York, came back from
New York. They were the ones drinking all day I know.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
But remember earlier in the day he was already out
and Karen was, you know, blowing up his phone and
are you going out tonight? And he's like, I don't know, Karen,
leave me alone. But she, you know, she kept texting.
It seems like he had more than I just think
it seemed like he had more than a beer or two.

Speaker 12 (52:00):
Oh yeah, he probably had like six or seven. But
this is I think we're talking about somebody, somebody who
you know, has a tolerance, you know what I mean.
He can hold his own So I don't think he's
going to stand there and just and just get hit
in the arm by a vehicle.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
But anyways, all right, anyways, we digress because I do
I do want to ask you this because you've said it.
I've heard it a million times. I've said it, and
I don't know where I got it from. This whole
notion of that Karen was going twenty four twenty miles
per hour? Where did we get that from? Where did
that originate?

Speaker 12 (52:33):
Like the first trial or this trial is the first?

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Did it come out of the first How do we
know she was going twenty four miles prow Did that?
Is that part of the data from the Lexus?

Speaker 12 (52:41):
Yeah? So the well, the textreme data shows from Judson
shows the gas pedal was stepped on about seventy four
percent open and the the miles prowle got up to
I think it was like twenty three points something miles
per hour. Okay, but you know, Matthew, just so, who's
gonna get on the stand today for the defense. He's

(53:02):
gonna he's gonna explain, He's gonna explain this. He's he's
kind of like the Burgess of the defense, but with
a real degree. And yeah, so I mean he's very smart.
He's gonna get up there. He's gonna explain everything that
Burgess tried to explain. And the reason why Burgess changed

(53:23):
his time was based off what Matthew Disogra figured out
and found out during his basically trial and eric with
this case. So so we're going to see a few,
hopefully a few witnesses today, depends how long Hank Brennan
cross examines. But uh, that's another thing. Hank Brennan is
a defense lawyer. His game is to cross examine people,

(53:45):
you know, and that's why he didn't call a lot
of the people that uh, you know we're in the
house that night, are Proctor and so forth, because he
wants to be able to cross examine all these people
and that's what he's good at. So it's gonna be interesting.
I think we're gonna see a lot more of Alan
Jackson for the defense case.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I miss him neck. I'm waiting.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
I know he's been in the weight room, but he
has not been he has not been standing up from
that computer. And I'm anxious to see him. Like you said,
Matthew Disoga is going to be at first, I'm anxious.
You know, if you go to the website for Delta,
it says accit reconstruction, biomechanics, event data recorders, and digital
media media.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
So I know.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Karen has also said that they can't wait to tell
their side of the story, as in, we might see
something new. She said it might take a week and
a half two weeks, depending, like you said, on how
long Hank It decides to do the cross examination.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
I know it's a big day for Karen.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
We're excited to see what she has, if there's especially
like I said, if there's anything new. A constant question
I get is about Alan Jackson and where he's been.
But don't worry. I think Daddy how it's going to
be his time. Beth is in Providence. Beth has called
many a time. Beth wants to ask you a question.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Nick. Go ahead, Beth, you're on with Nick Rocco.

Speaker 14 (54:58):
Hey, Nick, I said, I'll say it again.

Speaker 12 (55:00):
I'm gonna hug you when you figure it out. But
why did she call her father at one o'clock to
tell them that she didn't she hit something? Yeah? Thanks,
she didn't call her father at one in the morning.
That was at six twenty something in the morning in
the hospital, when she was with her father physically in
the hospital, she said to her father, I think I
struck something. And then the Boston twenty five news clip

(55:21):
cuts out, and if you watch the rest of the
Boston twenty five news clip, it says that she thinks
she struck John's vehicle. She did not call her father.
She called her mother one time in the morning, she
didn't answer, and that was it.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
There's also a.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Nichol Nick woke up, Like I said, the man say, look,
it's hard time.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
It's hard time. Anyways.

Speaker 12 (55:48):
Nick.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
There's also this narrative, since we're here and we're talking
about Karen's dad, that at some point Karen and her
dad went back to meadows, went up into John's room
with the door shut for a while.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Do you remember hearing something about this.

Speaker 12 (56:05):
Yeah, they went upstairs to get a few of her
things and came back down. Now that's only speculation of
what they did in there. Yea, I know. I know
the prosecution is trying to paint the picture that they
went upstairs and they deleted ring footage ring footage video.
But that's not the case. I mean, they went up
there and they got a few of her things and
they went back downstairs.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Listen, you can't blame the prosecution for doing the defense
will do the same thing if if given the chance,
I get.

Speaker 12 (56:27):
How about the fact, how about the fact that Michael
Procta opens the ring app two times on John O'Keefe's
cell phone from the wherever he was with the cell phone,
the ring app got opened by by Procta. He's the
only one that accessed that ring app.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Yeah, and and and that's a name everybody wants to
hear being called into that courtroom. And I just you
and I have talked about it, Nick, I don't I
don't know if we're going to see a Michael Proctor because,
like you said, Hank excels in the cross. So if
if they call the we're going to see any of that,
I don't either. I don't either. And even you know,
yesterday outside of court, Karen said TBD to potentially seeing me,

(57:06):
TBD too, potentially seeing Trooper Paul, TBD to potentially seeing
Michael Proctor. And I know it's what I know, it's
what everybody wants, But I don't think we're going to
see it either.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
I think we're gonna see a lot of experts.

Speaker 12 (57:17):
Yeah. So one thing too was last trial, Judge Beverly
Canoni did not allow ARCA to you know, because they
did testing, right, We heard about the we heard about
the cannon that they shot the glass out of the canon.
We weren't allowed to see any videos. We weren't allowed
to see anything because of the controversy that will hide
by the Feds, and she didn't want any videos in.

(57:39):
But now Judson did his little paint experiment, So I
would expect to see some videos from ARCA, real videos,
real testing of a vehicle driving or you know, a
glass being shot out of a cannon and stuff like that.
So I think we're going to see a lot more
from them this time too. And then Hank's gonna cross

(58:00):
examine them and tell them he's a bad man for
using signal, but not really even point out to the facts.
He's more worried that, you know, they were using this
signal app instead of trying to debunk what will have
what had happened to John O'Keeffe. And you know, I
may be biased, but I don't believe that the Commonwealth
proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Karen Read struck John

(58:21):
o'keef for their vehicle and killed them.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
You know what, I will say, I don't either, but
I do think the Commonwealth did a better job this.
I think Adam Lalley should take a long look in
the mirror because I think Hank Brennan did a much better, tighter,
more concise job at at least putting forth the evidence
that they believe is the best evidence to prove. Do
I think that they necessarily did it? No, but I

(58:44):
do think it was. It was a lot tighter, it
was more concise, it was straight to the point.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Here's the video. You know that that I can give
them for sure.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
And whether or not I believe the prosecution can prove it,
I don't know if I think the defense can prove either.
And that's why I think think this is such a
sensationalized topic, and I think that everybody likes to talk
chat about it because you can really unless you're talking
to Nick Rocco or probably Karen.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Read, see both sides to it. Maybe Alan all right,
I can't even a few people that might.

Speaker 12 (59:11):
Be you know, but either has nothing to prove though.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Well, they're trying to prove she didn't did it.

Speaker 12 (59:16):
No, she didn't do it right, No, they don't have
The defense has zero burden of proof. They don't have
to prove anything. The kam Walt has to prove that
she did it. The defense obviously is gonna is going
to put their case out there to provide proof that
she didn't do it, but they don't actually have to
prove anything.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Yes, I get what you're saying, but technically that is
that's what they're going to do. But yes, no, I
get what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
That you know, well, we shall see day one. Who
do you think is going to be?

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Do we think we'll get an Alan Jackson appearance today
for day one?

Speaker 10 (59:43):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (59:43):
He's giving us the one hundred percent. Nick Rocco, as always,
you're the best. We appreciate you. Thanks for joining us.
We will see you next week, same time, same place.

Speaker 12 (59:52):
You've got it.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
He's feeling different, XT feel I'm different today.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
I told you today is this game day. Nick is
very at like countering and convince, convincing us of the
other side. But it's even more impactful when it's game
day and he's angry.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
But listen, we're not at a mistrial because one side
is far more believable than the other. The first jury
couldn't figure it out. Now the big question is can
this one Can this one decide?

Speaker 12 (01:00:18):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
No, A lot of people think we're going to get
another hung jury.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Well, and the good thing is we're got to answer
within two weeks, right, and that's like right around the corner.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Well, No, they'll go into deliberation in two weeks. They
could be deliberating for Carly knows how long.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
I mean, I hope they deliverate like too long then
another miss trial.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
So I know, I get it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:35):
If it could take as long as they want, right,
as long as locked in, locked out, whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
And remember we know Bev is going to keep pushing
for a verdict. Yeah, I know, you guys can't figure
She's going to keep pushing, pushing, pushing, But we shall see.
If you miss any of that or combo with Nick,
but I really try to get him today.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
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