August 8, 2024 • 11 mins
The Athletic's Astros beat writer Chandler Rome joins The A-Team for his weekly visit. He talks about where things currently stand with Kyle Tucker's injury status. Plus, he talks about Zach Dezenzo's immediate impact on the team and whether or not another roster move could be made.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Five o'clock hour begins most days.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
That means here on the A team, it's football at
five and Wednesdays we talk with Chandler Rome unless.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
The Astros are playing, which was the case yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
So that's where we are today, a visit from the
Athletics Chandler Rome covering the Astros and Major League Baseball. Chandler,
You've already been discussed on the program today for obvious reasons,
with what you wrote earlier today about the cloudiness of
the situation regarding an injury like the one Tucker has
and the additional cloudiness brought forth by the manner in
(00:30):
which it's not being discussed by the team whom he
plays for. What were you able to discern from outsider's
perspectives that you were able to share with people who
took the smart time and read it.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, I think the thing I was trying to accomplish
was just that, you know, when you hear like a
bone bruise or when you just hear bruise in general,
you don't think of it as a serious matter. And
I knew there had to be some reason why a
high light professional athlete who has really never been hurt
before has been out almost three months with a bruise,
(01:06):
and it was it was actually pretty enlightening to talk
to medical professionals and talk to people that do this
on a daily basis, that understand and have an understanding
of kind of what this injury is, how difficult it
can be to come back from. And I think it's
important to note and as I wrote in there, you know,
none of these none of the three physicians I talked
to have treated Kyle Tucker, none of them have seen him.
(01:29):
They were just speaking kind of in generalities about what
this injury is and why it can be so difficult
to put any sort of timeline on. And I thought
it was I thought it was productive. I thought it
was I learned from it. I hope people that read
it did, But I think it just kind of underscores
kind of what they're dealing with that they it's impossible
(01:52):
to put a.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Timeline on this thing.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
It really is all about Kyle Tucker pain tolerance for
one and two. You know that they've got to get
him running, they've got to get him doing explosive movements.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
They've got to get him going laterally inside.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
To side, things like that, and those are the things
that these as these surgeons.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Said, that's the stuff that hurts the most.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
That's stuff that hurts the nerves, that's stuff that hurts,
you know, the bone and everything. And there are risks
if you push it and you tell them to quote
unquote play through pain. There there are a lot of
risks involved in that. So it's a tough spot. It's
a tough spot for the astros to be in. It's
a tough spot for Kyle Tucker, who I'm sure wants
to play, but it's it's just that this is just
(02:38):
going to prevent it for the time being.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
You kind of sounded like you were headed down this
path to begin with. I think a lot of people
probably think the same thing. Is you know, purely speculative,
but I would imagine there has to be some incredible
reservations on the astro side and Tucker's side as well,
that when the ok comes and when the clearance comes,
even though that's been gained, the concern that well, when
(03:00):
he plays in a game something of grave nature is
ultimately potentially the end result.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Well, and I think that's why they're taking this so slow,
because they don't want to take that risk. I mean,
this is a guy that he's very important to them,
not only this year but next year. I mean, he's
he's the they. When he went out, he was the
best hitter on the team, but if you look at war,
he's still the best player on the team. And they
can't risk I don't care how far they fall in
(03:29):
the standings.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I don't care if they fall out of first place.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Things like, they can't risk putting him out there if
he's not one hundred percent, if he's not if the
doctors and the training staff's not confident that he can
go out there. So you know, I'll be interested to
see if he's in Tampa. He is from there, as
I think everyone knows he likes to go home and
see his family and stuff, So I think he's going
(03:52):
to be in Tampa with the team. Maybe he'll be
able to talk then and give us a little bit
more of an update, because the last couple of days
in Arlington, all we heard was that he was progressing,
and they struck an optimistic tone. And it's kind of
funny how the tone changes to optimism when Tucker's not
with the team and reporters can't see what he's doing
and there's no real way to verify that he's actually improving.
(04:14):
So until we lay eyes on him and until we
actually get to see kind of the fruits of what
they're talking about, I can't really tell you much about
what's going to happen next.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
As the team has come in and out of the
trade deadline and into the second series on this nine
game road trip, essentially four changes have been made with
the addition of yuse Kakuchi, and he's now made two starts.
Caleb Ferguson's been out there a couple of times out
of their bullpen. They brought up pedro Leone and after
he sat a couple of days, made his major league
(04:43):
debut and played in three consecutive games. And now they've
done the same with Zach Decenzo, who's played in both games.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
He's been a part of the team for a first.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Game as a DH, then his second game picking up
his first major league hit, reaching base three times, scoring twice,
and each of the three times he smacked the baseball,
uh he had hard hit ball written all over each
of those three.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
So we'll start at the back end.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
What do you think the immediate future plans are for
Desnzo with Joe Aspata.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I think they're they're gonna keep playing them. I mean,
they need.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
A spark, They need somebody to get hot and kind
of keep going. And I think they think Dezenzo is
that guy.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
At someone you.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Know with the team tell me this week that they
that they view him as their best hitter in the
system outside of the major league guys obviously, but they've
used acta Zenzo as their best.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Hitter in the system.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
And I know he only played eleven games in Triple A,
but the numbers were what they were. You saw it yesterday.
He he hits the ever living snot out of the ball,
but it's a matter of can he make contact with
the ball.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
He's had some swing in this problems.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
He's had some some chase problems, but they think he
can control the strike zone enough. And he has his
bat speed is some of the best, you know in
the mind leagues.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I'll be interesting to.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
See when we get a full sample size of his
swings up here kind of to compare those to major.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
League what what other major leaguers do.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
But he's got a ton of bat speed, has a
ton of power. You know that double yesterday his first
big league hit would have been out a minute may
Park would have been out to the Crawford boxes. So
he'll hit there. They just have to hope that maybe
he can catch fire. I could see them d hing
him a good bit. He's played at first base yesterday.
I could see him getting a good bit of first
(06:28):
base run. And I think his addition, you know, Joe
spot is gonna have to be creative with how he
maneuvers his lineup because I don't think they want to
give up on John Singleton. I think John Singleton's still
going to play a good bit. They could d h him.
I think they want to play Victor Carrottini a little
bit more, which would mean having both of the catchers
(06:49):
in the lineup, which would mean.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Moving Jordon Alvarez to left field.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I don't want to say he's gonna be there on
a permanent basis, but I think you're gonna see a
lot more Jordon Alvarez in left field, just given how
this roster is constructed, given their desperate need for offense,
and given the fact that you know, Victor Kartini gives
him a spark when he's in there.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Zact Zenzo the same sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
So you could see a lot of creative lineups here
going forward, maybe a good bit of Jordon Alvarez in
the outfield, just because they need to find a group
of nine guys that can get it together offensively and
start producing a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Chand Lerome joining us here on the A team covers
the Astros for the Athletic before I get to the
two left handed pitchers they acquired. Since you brought up
this idea that I've discussed the last couple of days,
do you think it's a real discussion the Astros are
having internally in light of the fact I agree they
should have Keratini and Diaz's bat in the lineup often,
do you think they would consider dfag ledmis Diaz and
(07:45):
putting Saysar Salazar back on this roster.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I think they need to consider calling up Saysar Salas
are As far as whose roster's body takes, as far
as whether it's a leedinis Da, I'm not sure. I
can't really tell you why a lens d is on
this roster at this point. He hasn't played, I believe
in fourteen or fifteen days. I think he's taken four
Major league at bats since June thirtieth. You know, Dana
(08:10):
Brown was on the pregame show. I think this was
a couple of weeks ago when they signed him or
when they brought him up, and Dana Brown basically talked
about him as if he's basically just like a veteran
leader in the clubhouse and they didn't expect him to
play much like I'm not sure that with fifty games
left in a season where you're in a dogfight to
make the playoffs, I'm not sure you can waste a
roster spot on that. But there could be some other
(08:32):
ways they get Saysar Salazar on the roster.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Maybe they just wait until September when rosters expand, and
call him up and it becomes.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
A little bit easier.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
But again, I don't know if they have that luxury
of waiting until September for that. But yes, I do
think it needs to be a discussion that they need
to try to get Saysar Salazar up here just to
give them some coverage. And as far as who that
comes at the expense of, I don't know, but yes,
the Lennis Diaz would profile maybe is the odd guy out.
But you know, listening Brown. It sounds like they value
(09:01):
him in the clubhouse, maybe a ton more than anything
he would do.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
On the field.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
To you, say, Kokuchi, each of his starts here, there's
been a clear pitch breakdown change from what he was
doing in Toronto. Found it interesting, specifically in both games
for different reasons to the game he just pitched. He
had just seen the Rangers less than two weeks ago,
and you could see a difference in what he threw
that day in terms of his four pitches and the percentages,
(09:28):
and what he threw yesterday successfully much more successfully than
his first appearance against the Rangers. In yesterday's game. How
confident do you think he is in how they're trying
to have him attack hitters. It seemed like some of
what he had to say yesterday indicated that, you know,
he likes what they're telling him and has been able
to execute it quite well.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, I mean he has to be confident. He's pitching
really well. So I mean he's allowed four earned runs
in his first two starts. You know, the Ashers will
take that. The Asters will take what you say Kakuchi
has given them every day of the week. I mean,
anyone that expected him to come in here and go
eight innings with no runs each time out was foolish.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
I think.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I think if you looked at the underlying metrics and
the peripherals when they acquired him, you knew that the era,
especially the er in the last twelve starts with somewhat misleading.
You knew he played for a bad team with a
bad bullpen behind him.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
So maybe just the jolt of.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Joining a team that has better players and just has
better is more soundly constructed.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Maybe that helps, And that had to have boose to
his confidence. You know. I do think when you look
at kind.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Of his pitch usage and what he's been able to do,
I think I would caution anyone.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Against like looking at each.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Start is like, oh, this is what he's gonna do now,
Like he this is gonna evolve. Like he didn't throw
a ton of he threw more change ups than he has.
He threw a ton of change ups yesterday. It's not
gonna be all change ups. It's not gonna be all
lower velocity four seemers up. They're gonna still adjust to
the lineups. But I think it's a lot more about
pitch location, pitch sequencing, and when he throws a lot
(11:04):
of these pitches. But yeah, it's been an impressive.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Beginning for him.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Fantastic stuff, very impressive for him. He's made the two
starts over the six game stretch, and now we'll watch
the other guy's pitch the next four games starting tomorrow
in Boss.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Appreciate the time as always, Chandler, all right, thanks, you
got it.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Catch more of his stuff right there in the Athletic
Astros back on the diamond, as we mentioned tomorrow night,
right here on Sports Talk seven nine
Five o'clock hour begins most days.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
That means here on the A team, it's football at
five and Wednesdays we talk with Chandler Rome unless.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
The Astros are playing, which was the case yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
So that's where we are today, a visit from the
Athletics Chandler Rome covering the Astros and Major League Baseball. Chandler,
You've already been discussed on the program today for obvious reasons,
with what you wrote earlier today about the cloudiness of
the situation regarding an injury like the one Tucker has
and the additional cloudiness brought forth by the manner in
(00:30):
which it's not being discussed by the team whom he
plays for. What were you able to discern from outsider's
perspectives that you were able to share with people who
took the smart time and read it.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, I think the thing I was trying to accomplish
was just that, you know, when you hear like a
bone bruise or when you just hear bruise in general,
you don't think of it as a serious matter. And
I knew there had to be some reason why a
high light professional athlete who has really never been hurt
before has been out almost three months with a bruise,
(01:06):
and it was it was actually pretty enlightening to talk
to medical professionals and talk to people that do this
on a daily basis, that understand and have an understanding
of kind of what this injury is, how difficult it
can be to come back from. And I think it's
important to note and as I wrote in there, you know,
none of these none of the three physicians I talked
to have treated Kyle Tucker, none of them have seen him.
(01:29):
They were just speaking kind of in generalities about what
this injury is and why it can be so difficult
to put any sort of timeline on. And I thought
it was I thought it was productive. I thought it
was I learned from it. I hope people that read
it did, But I think it just kind of underscores
kind of what they're dealing with that they it's impossible
(01:52):
to put a.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Timeline on this thing.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
It really is all about Kyle Tucker pain tolerance for
one and two. You know that they've got to get
him running, they've got to get him doing explosive movements.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
They've got to get him going laterally inside.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
To side, things like that, and those are the things
that these as these surgeons.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Said, that's the stuff that hurts the most.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
That's stuff that hurts the nerves, that's stuff that hurts,
you know, the bone and everything. And there are risks
if you push it and you tell them to quote
unquote play through pain. There there are a lot of
risks involved in that. So it's a tough spot. It's
a tough spot for the astros to be in. It's
a tough spot for Kyle Tucker, who I'm sure wants
to play, but it's it's just that this is just
(02:38):
going to prevent it for the time being.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
You kind of sounded like you were headed down this
path to begin with. I think a lot of people
probably think the same thing. Is you know, purely speculative,
but I would imagine there has to be some incredible
reservations on the astro side and Tucker's side as well,
that when the ok comes and when the clearance comes,
even though that's been gained, the concern that well, when
(03:00):
he plays in a game something of grave nature is
ultimately potentially the end result.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Well, and I think that's why they're taking this so slow,
because they don't want to take that risk. I mean,
this is a guy that he's very important to them,
not only this year but next year. I mean, he's
he's the they. When he went out, he was the
best hitter on the team, but if you look at war,
he's still the best player on the team. And they
can't risk I don't care how far they fall in
(03:29):
the standings.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I don't care if they fall out of first place.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Things like, they can't risk putting him out there if
he's not one hundred percent, if he's not if the
doctors and the training staff's not confident that he can
go out there. So you know, I'll be interested to
see if he's in Tampa. He is from there, as
I think everyone knows he likes to go home and
see his family and stuff, So I think he's going
(03:52):
to be in Tampa with the team. Maybe he'll be
able to talk then and give us a little bit
more of an update, because the last couple of days
in Arlington, all we heard was that he was progressing,
and they struck an optimistic tone. And it's kind of
funny how the tone changes to optimism when Tucker's not
with the team and reporters can't see what he's doing
and there's no real way to verify that he's actually improving.
(04:14):
So until we lay eyes on him and until we
actually get to see kind of the fruits of what
they're talking about, I can't really tell you much about
what's going to happen next.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
As the team has come in and out of the
trade deadline and into the second series on this nine
game road trip, essentially four changes have been made with
the addition of yuse Kakuchi, and he's now made two starts.
Caleb Ferguson's been out there a couple of times out
of their bullpen. They brought up pedro Leone and after
he sat a couple of days, made his major league
(04:43):
debut and played in three consecutive games. And now they've
done the same with Zach Decenzo, who's played in both games.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
He's been a part of the team for a first.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Game as a DH, then his second game picking up
his first major league hit, reaching base three times, scoring twice,
and each of the three times he smacked the baseball,
uh he had hard hit ball written all over each
of those three.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
So we'll start at the back end.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
What do you think the immediate future plans are for
Desnzo with Joe Aspata.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I think they're they're gonna keep playing them. I mean,
they need.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
A spark, They need somebody to get hot and kind
of keep going. And I think they think Dezenzo is
that guy.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
At someone you.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Know with the team tell me this week that they
that they view him as their best hitter in the
system outside of the major league guys obviously, but they've
used acta Zenzo as their best.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Hitter in the system.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
And I know he only played eleven games in Triple A,
but the numbers were what they were. You saw it yesterday.
He he hits the ever living snot out of the ball,
but it's a matter of can he make contact with
the ball.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
He's had some swing in this problems.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
He's had some some chase problems, but they think he
can control the strike zone enough. And he has his
bat speed is some of the best, you know in
the mind leagues.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I'll be interesting to.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
See when we get a full sample size of his
swings up here kind of to compare those to major.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
League what what other major leaguers do.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
But he's got a ton of bat speed, has a
ton of power. You know that double yesterday his first
big league hit would have been out a minute may
Park would have been out to the Crawford boxes. So
he'll hit there. They just have to hope that maybe
he can catch fire. I could see them d hing
him a good bit. He's played at first base yesterday.
I could see him getting a good bit of first
(06:28):
base run. And I think his addition, you know, Joe
spot is gonna have to be creative with how he
maneuvers his lineup because I don't think they want to
give up on John Singleton. I think John Singleton's still
going to play a good bit. They could d h him.
I think they want to play Victor Carrottini a little
bit more, which would mean having both of the catchers
(06:49):
in the lineup, which would mean.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Moving Jordon Alvarez to left field.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I don't want to say he's gonna be there on
a permanent basis, but I think you're gonna see a
lot more Jordon Alvarez in left field, just given how
this roster is constructed, given their desperate need for offense,
and given the fact that you know, Victor Kartini gives
him a spark when he's in there.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Zact Zenzo the same sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
So you could see a lot of creative lineups here
going forward, maybe a good bit of Jordon Alvarez in
the outfield, just because they need to find a group
of nine guys that can get it together offensively and
start producing a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Chand Lerome joining us here on the A team covers
the Astros for the Athletic before I get to the
two left handed pitchers they acquired. Since you brought up
this idea that I've discussed the last couple of days,
do you think it's a real discussion the Astros are
having internally in light of the fact I agree they
should have Keratini and Diaz's bat in the lineup often,
do you think they would consider dfag ledmis Diaz and
(07:45):
putting Saysar Salazar back on this roster.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I think they need to consider calling up Saysar Salas
are As far as whose roster's body takes, as far
as whether it's a leedinis Da, I'm not sure. I
can't really tell you why a lens d is on
this roster at this point. He hasn't played, I believe
in fourteen or fifteen days. I think he's taken four
Major league at bats since June thirtieth. You know, Dana
(08:10):
Brown was on the pregame show. I think this was
a couple of weeks ago when they signed him or
when they brought him up, and Dana Brown basically talked
about him as if he's basically just like a veteran
leader in the clubhouse and they didn't expect him to
play much like I'm not sure that with fifty games
left in a season where you're in a dogfight to
make the playoffs, I'm not sure you can waste a
roster spot on that. But there could be some other
(08:32):
ways they get Saysar Salazar on the roster.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Maybe they just wait until September when rosters expand, and
call him up and it becomes.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
A little bit easier.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
But again, I don't know if they have that luxury
of waiting until September for that. But yes, I do
think it needs to be a discussion that they need
to try to get Saysar Salazar up here just to
give them some coverage. And as far as who that
comes at the expense of, I don't know, but yes,
the Lennis Diaz would profile maybe is the odd guy out.
But you know, listening Brown. It sounds like they value
(09:01):
him in the clubhouse, maybe a ton more than anything
he would do.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
On the field.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
To you, say, Kokuchi, each of his starts here, there's
been a clear pitch breakdown change from what he was
doing in Toronto. Found it interesting, specifically in both games
for different reasons to the game he just pitched. He
had just seen the Rangers less than two weeks ago,
and you could see a difference in what he threw
that day in terms of his four pitches and the percentages,
(09:28):
and what he threw yesterday successfully much more successfully than
his first appearance against the Rangers. In yesterday's game. How
confident do you think he is in how they're trying
to have him attack hitters. It seemed like some of
what he had to say yesterday indicated that, you know,
he likes what they're telling him and has been able
to execute it quite well.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, I mean he has to be confident. He's pitching
really well. So I mean he's allowed four earned runs
in his first two starts. You know, the Ashers will
take that. The Asters will take what you say Kakuchi
has given them every day of the week. I mean,
anyone that expected him to come in here and go
eight innings with no runs each time out was foolish.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
I think.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I think if you looked at the underlying metrics and
the peripherals when they acquired him, you knew that the era,
especially the er in the last twelve starts with somewhat misleading.
You knew he played for a bad team with a
bad bullpen behind him.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
So maybe just the jolt of.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Joining a team that has better players and just has
better is more soundly constructed.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Maybe that helps, And that had to have boose to
his confidence. You know. I do think when you look
at kind.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Of his pitch usage and what he's been able to do,
I think I would caution anyone.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Against like looking at each.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Start is like, oh, this is what he's gonna do now,
Like he this is gonna evolve. Like he didn't throw
a ton of he threw more change ups than he has.
He threw a ton of change ups yesterday. It's not
gonna be all change ups. It's not gonna be all
lower velocity four seemers up. They're gonna still adjust to
the lineups. But I think it's a lot more about
pitch location, pitch sequencing, and when he throws a lot
(11:04):
of these pitches. But yeah, it's been an impressive.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Beginning for him.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Fantastic stuff, very impressive for him. He's made the two
starts over the six game stretch, and now we'll watch
the other guy's pitch the next four games starting tomorrow
in Boss.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Appreciate the time as always, Chandler, all right, thanks, you
got it.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Catch more of his stuff right there in the Athletic
Astros back on the diamond, as we mentioned tomorrow night,
right here on Sports Talk seven nine
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