January 22, 2025 • 10 mins
SMU Mustangs coach Rhett Lashlee joins The A-Team at the Bear Bryant Coaches Awards. He talks about his team making it to the College Football Playoff this season. He also talks highly about one of his coaches and former Houston Cougars quarterback D'Eriq King. Lashlee also shares his ideas for how to fix the CFP structure.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pleasure to be joined by RTT.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Lastly, SMU had football coach and we certainly appreciate your
time and hope you're enjoying your time back here in
the great state of Texas and a hotbed for football,
Houston specifically, although I hesitate to say hotbed considering what
you've flown into, driven into, enjoyed a year in Houston today.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
We've had snow in Dallas last week, in Houston this week.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
What is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
One of those is normal, and it's not normal for
us to get snow maybe once a.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Year, yeah, but we don't ever know.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
It's very not normal for Houston to get any snow. Right,
So I asked somebody, when was the last time it
snowed here?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Ever?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Well, actually here for a few decades, I will mention
nineteen seventy three last snow. I've never seen this snow
in Houston even close. We've seen snowflakes, ice, yeah, but
four years ago we got a little bit, but it
wasn't like this.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah, I wasn't counting the inches in my backyard.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
That's crazy.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Yeah, but you know, we just get through it and
it melts eventually, because you know it'll be seventy five
in about three days.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
It will be I'm sure a lot like Dallas. If
you don't like the weather, just wait thirty minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Exactly all the seasons in a week sometimes will happen
for our respective cities. Really good stuff going on with
your team and what's going on at SMU. I want
to ask this first so I don't forget. You know,
you guys will have changeover like every other team. You
had a great opportunity to bring in a quarterback through
the portal this year. He'll get a chance to work
with your quarterback coach and Dearic King, and I just
(01:25):
wanted you know.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
He's from Houston.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I think everybody here knows so much about what he's about,
not just the football player. Remember where he's playing at Manville,
recruited and goes to U of H, plays at Miami,
continues to try to play, did everything that they ever
asked him to do. When he was at U of H.
They needed a receiver, he played receiver. They need him
back a quarterback. He played quarterback. You've had him with
you on your staff and for a couple of years,
and obviously I know he's a big part of what
(01:48):
y'all are doing offensively specifically at that position. Just a
couple of your thoughts on what might be in his
future down the road and what he's meant to you
and the teams you've put together with Deeric.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah, Derek King's a superstar and everyone down here knows that.
And we're gonna enjoy and being on our staff as
long as we can keep him. But it's not gonna
be long. You know, he'll be a head coach here. Shoot,
probably in five years. I mean he if it's I
wouldn't put anything past them.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
He's a winner, He's humble.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
He's one of those guys that the reason he's always
been successful and his parents did a great job is
he is supremely confident in who he is and his
abilities whatever he's doing, yet incredibly humble. And that's a
striking a balance that you know great ones have but
a lot of people can't. And you know, to have
him just a few years removed from playing both college
(02:36):
and in the NFL and in the XFL and then
to be coaching our quarterbacks in an offense he ran
gives me great comfort as a head coach and play
caller to say, man I know the guy coaching Kevin
Jennings has been in Kevin jennings shoes just a few
years ago, and they have a great rapport. Kevin can
know that he's talking to someone who can relate to
him not only from you know, experience and age, but
(02:58):
like I've done exactly what we're asking you to do.
I think it's a great relationship both day to day
but in game as well. And so he's a great
QB coach for us. Now, he'll be a coordinator soon,
he'll be a head coach soon. Shoot, he'll probably be
the head coach at Houston someday soon. And uh, and
that's not a shot at anybody.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
All right, Well, we'll tell Willie Fritz to watch out.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Whenever Willy decides he's done. Is kind of what I
meant by it. Yeah, no, I was.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
I'm old enough to remember when he coached at my
alma mater, Sam Houston State.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
So he's he's made his way.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
But he's a great coach, Yeah he is.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
He's a great guy too.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Yeah, you know, and the only the only constant, or
the only I guess consistency thing in college football is change.
And you know you mentioned the coaching staff and the players,
and we we kind of tend to ask this question
about pretty much everybody that sits in your chair, what
what do you think about the current state of college
football with the new rules, with the transfer portal, with
(03:50):
ni L and so it's got to put, like, I
don't know, a billion more things on a guy like
you yours plate.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, I mean, we're all you know, we're ball coaches.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
In our job is to just tell us the rules
and we're gonna go play by them and give us
problems and we'll solve them. We don't spend a lot
of time complaining and griping and thinking about what is
or what isn't because we're too busy having to deal
with it. But there needs to be some things happened
to stabilize our game. It's the greatest game out there.
College football has never been more popular. But if we
want to sustain it and continue to do what's best
(04:22):
for the players, there's got to be some at least
some rules when it comes to transfer, an nil and
all the other stuff. Now, I'm not saying any of
it's bad, but anything without some sort of guidelines and
structure isn't really good. Right, and I'm confident that will happen.
But you know, the last couple of years, you know,
it's probably been more changing in the last two or
three years of college football than it has been the
last forty or fifty years. In terms of us. You know,
(04:45):
we've been fortunate. You know, I believe it's all about
the people, and you know, we've got a great culture
at SMU, both on our staff and our team. You know,
we didn't have anybody in our too deep going to
the portal that could return other than our backup quarterback
who knew he wouldn't be the quarterback and we helped him. Hey,
he found a great spot at Northwestern. Everybody wanted to
come back, which was big. Our coaching staff is intact,
(05:06):
with the exception of we did lose our quarterback coach
a year ago and just promoted de Eric, But our
offensive staff's been intact. Our defensive coordinators back who's been
with us last three years and done a phenomenal job
in Scott Simon's We got good continuity and it's not
always gonna be the case every year, so we're we're.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Thankful to have a lot of guys returning.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
But yeah, you're we're in a world where we're not
a full amateur model anymore, but we're not a professional
model well somewhere in the middle with an identity crisis,
and so it's like, well, yeah, you're a head coach
in college, but you're also a GM with no cap
and no rules and no contracts, and so you're you know,
And at the end of the day, we all got
into this because we want to positively impact young guys' lives,
(05:45):
and it's probably harder than ever to do that. It's
probably harder than ever to build a team. At the
same time, we're probably needed more than ever. So are
you an Instagram model?
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Is that what you am? I? An Instagram model? No?
I mean you've done the scale.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I've never been asked that question. I need my wife here,
wor is she Hey, honey, they think I'm on Instagram.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Now now I know what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Though.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, it yes, it is a lot, but again, our
jobs to deal with it, and that's what we try
to do.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
We just had coach Beamer South Carolina on a few
minutes ago talking out with rhtt Lashley, the SMU head
football coach, and we're talking about the playoff form my
first year the twelve team playoff. You guys are regular
season champs playing the conference title game, come out on the.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Other side of it.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Still are part of the playoffs along with Clemson and
play Penn State. When you look at how it's set up,
how the ACC, the other conferences, the outsiders are a
part of it. Do you think there are things to
learn about how it's put together or where it might
be headed in another year or two if there are
changes made.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, I'm sure there's things to learn, and I hope
that everybody will sit back, go it was year one,
Let's give it another year or two.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
We like to make knee jerk reactions a lot one thing.
I think that's obviously it was better.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Twelve teams is better, more teams competing for a national championship.
I mean, just take the national Championship game for example.
Neither one of those teams would have made the format
a year ago. Neither one would have made the top four.
And I think everybody could have told you before that
Ohio State probably has the best roster in.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
The country, and they stubbed their toe a little bit
at the end.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
They wouldn't have gotten in they did, and then they
started playing that way, so you could argue the best.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Team won even though they were an eight seed.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I think I think first round playoff games on the
road is great, even though we had to go on
the road and played terrible, Like you earn a right
to have a home field advantage.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I think we need to look at.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
The model of the NFL and say we can't keep
You know, there's a lot of banter at one time, like, well,
we're not talking about potential, we're talking about what's been
earned and what's been done. You can't say, well, this
team should get in because I think they would wuldn't
know if they lost three or four games. They're not
getting in because that's potential, but that's not sustained success
and consistency of performance.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
And that's the way the NFL is.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
They got four divisions in the AFC and four divisions
in the NFC, and if you win your division, you're in. Well,
if you win a powerful conference, you should be in
and you should either have a home game or a
bye like that's not hard.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
But then after that all the wildcard.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Teams, it's the teams with the best record, and I
think strength to schedule is important, but you can't control
that until we get all the conferences doing it the
same way as at eight or nine conference games. How
many out of conference power games do we play? And
you know it took us. For example, our first ACC
game was against Florida State. They were undefeated. Last year
Mike was here and won this award. Who who gonna
(08:18):
thought they'd go two and ten? Well, how do we
get punished for that?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
And so if you ask me, make it sixteen teams
and be done because you don't add a week to
the playoffs. We're at twelve. It's a weird number. With
buy sixteen teams. Nobody gets a buy the top two
teams from the Power four conferences, you're in. If you
make your championhip game, you're in now. If you win it,
you're a top eight seed with a home game guaranteed.
After that, then you got the eight next best teams.
(08:43):
And it shouldn't We got to have a consistent metric
for measuring. It shouldn't be up to a committee that
puts too much pressure on them. You know, there's a
reason we used to have a BCS. We picked a
formula what we think matters the reason when nobody liked
it is to pick two teams. But if that's the
way to measure teams consistently, like they do in the
March Madness and all of that, you at least have
some more consistent data points to say who's the next
(09:04):
best eight teams? Because in the NFL, they don't care
what their strength to schedule was, whot who's got the
next best record. They're in a wild card and they
don't care if they played in a division that was
down that year or up.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
That's a very interesting way to put it.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And the Vikings, as good as they were, had to
go on the road to play the Rams. You know
why they lost their division and the Rams didn't. So
let's quit all that. Let's get the eight best teams,
top two teams from the top four conferences. You got
parody now, and you got a national tournament, and then
just pick the next best eight. And you know what
if seven of those eight come from the same conference,
who cares who's the next best? And you don't have
(09:37):
to length in the season, and I think it'd be great.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Why you be the commissioner of this whole thing and
just not coach anymore. I like this.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Oh, I'd like to make it again and try to
stay a little bit longer.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
As you said, your coach ball, that's what you like
to do. Things going really well at SMU. Really appreciate
your time and certainly congratulations on being here. Just like
you said, you never know what the future holds. We
were talking with Coach and OVL right here in this
very seat a season ago, and notts more great things
coming from SMU.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Thanks guys, appreciate you
Pleasure to be joined by RTT.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Lastly, SMU had football coach and we certainly appreciate your
time and hope you're enjoying your time back here in
the great state of Texas and a hotbed for football,
Houston specifically, although I hesitate to say hotbed considering what
you've flown into, driven into, enjoyed a year in Houston today.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
We've had snow in Dallas last week, in Houston this week.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
What is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
One of those is normal, and it's not normal for
us to get snow maybe once a.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Year, yeah, but we don't ever know.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
It's very not normal for Houston to get any snow. Right,
So I asked somebody, when was the last time it
snowed here?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Ever?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Well, actually here for a few decades, I will mention
nineteen seventy three last snow. I've never seen this snow
in Houston even close. We've seen snowflakes, ice, yeah, but
four years ago we got a little bit, but it
wasn't like this.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah, I wasn't counting the inches in my backyard.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
That's crazy.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Yeah, but you know, we just get through it and
it melts eventually, because you know it'll be seventy five
in about three days.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
It will be I'm sure a lot like Dallas. If
you don't like the weather, just wait thirty minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Exactly all the seasons in a week sometimes will happen
for our respective cities. Really good stuff going on with
your team and what's going on at SMU. I want
to ask this first so I don't forget. You know,
you guys will have changeover like every other team. You
had a great opportunity to bring in a quarterback through
the portal this year. He'll get a chance to work
with your quarterback coach and Dearic King, and I just
(01:25):
wanted you know.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
He's from Houston.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I think everybody here knows so much about what he's about,
not just the football player. Remember where he's playing at Manville,
recruited and goes to U of H, plays at Miami,
continues to try to play, did everything that they ever
asked him to do. When he was at U of H.
They needed a receiver, he played receiver. They need him
back a quarterback. He played quarterback. You've had him with
you on your staff and for a couple of years,
and obviously I know he's a big part of what
(01:48):
y'all are doing offensively specifically at that position. Just a
couple of your thoughts on what might be in his
future down the road and what he's meant to you
and the teams you've put together with Deeric.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah, Derek King's a superstar and everyone down here knows that.
And we're gonna enjoy and being on our staff as
long as we can keep him. But it's not gonna
be long. You know, he'll be a head coach here. Shoot,
probably in five years. I mean he if it's I
wouldn't put anything past them.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
He's a winner, He's humble.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
He's one of those guys that the reason he's always
been successful and his parents did a great job is
he is supremely confident in who he is and his
abilities whatever he's doing, yet incredibly humble. And that's a
striking a balance that you know great ones have but
a lot of people can't. And you know, to have
him just a few years removed from playing both college
(02:36):
and in the NFL and in the XFL and then
to be coaching our quarterbacks in an offense he ran
gives me great comfort as a head coach and play
caller to say, man I know the guy coaching Kevin
Jennings has been in Kevin jennings shoes just a few
years ago, and they have a great rapport. Kevin can
know that he's talking to someone who can relate to
him not only from you know, experience and age, but
(02:58):
like I've done exactly what we're asking you to do.
I think it's a great relationship both day to day
but in game as well. And so he's a great
QB coach for us. Now, he'll be a coordinator soon,
he'll be a head coach soon. Shoot, he'll probably be
the head coach at Houston someday soon. And uh, and
that's not a shot at anybody.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
All right, Well, we'll tell Willie Fritz to watch out.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Whenever Willy decides he's done. Is kind of what I
meant by it. Yeah, no, I was.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
I'm old enough to remember when he coached at my
alma mater, Sam Houston State.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
So he's he's made his way.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
But he's a great coach, Yeah he is.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
He's a great guy too.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Yeah, you know, and the only the only constant, or
the only I guess consistency thing in college football is change.
And you know you mentioned the coaching staff and the players,
and we we kind of tend to ask this question
about pretty much everybody that sits in your chair, what
what do you think about the current state of college
football with the new rules, with the transfer portal, with
(03:50):
ni L and so it's got to put, like, I
don't know, a billion more things on a guy like
you yours plate.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, I mean, we're all you know, we're ball coaches.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
In our job is to just tell us the rules
and we're gonna go play by them and give us
problems and we'll solve them. We don't spend a lot
of time complaining and griping and thinking about what is
or what isn't because we're too busy having to deal
with it. But there needs to be some things happened
to stabilize our game. It's the greatest game out there.
College football has never been more popular. But if we
want to sustain it and continue to do what's best
(04:22):
for the players, there's got to be some at least
some rules when it comes to transfer, an nil and
all the other stuff. Now, I'm not saying any of
it's bad, but anything without some sort of guidelines and
structure isn't really good. Right, and I'm confident that will happen.
But you know, the last couple of years, you know,
it's probably been more changing in the last two or
three years of college football than it has been the
last forty or fifty years. In terms of us. You know,
(04:45):
we've been fortunate. You know, I believe it's all about
the people, and you know, we've got a great culture
at SMU, both on our staff and our team. You know,
we didn't have anybody in our too deep going to
the portal that could return other than our backup quarterback
who knew he wouldn't be the quarterback and we helped him. Hey,
he found a great spot at Northwestern. Everybody wanted to
come back, which was big. Our coaching staff is intact,
(05:06):
with the exception of we did lose our quarterback coach
a year ago and just promoted de Eric, But our
offensive staff's been intact. Our defensive coordinators back who's been
with us last three years and done a phenomenal job
in Scott Simon's We got good continuity and it's not
always gonna be the case every year, so we're we're.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Thankful to have a lot of guys returning.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
But yeah, you're we're in a world where we're not
a full amateur model anymore, but we're not a professional
model well somewhere in the middle with an identity crisis,
and so it's like, well, yeah, you're a head coach
in college, but you're also a GM with no cap
and no rules and no contracts, and so you're you know,
And at the end of the day, we all got
into this because we want to positively impact young guys' lives,
(05:45):
and it's probably harder than ever to do that. It's
probably harder than ever to build a team. At the
same time, we're probably needed more than ever. So are
you an Instagram model?
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Is that what you am? I? An Instagram model? No?
I mean you've done the scale.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I've never been asked that question. I need my wife here,
wor is she Hey, honey, they think I'm on Instagram.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Now now I know what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Though.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, it yes, it is a lot, but again, our
jobs to deal with it, and that's what we try
to do.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
We just had coach Beamer South Carolina on a few
minutes ago talking out with rhtt Lashley, the SMU head
football coach, and we're talking about the playoff form my
first year the twelve team playoff. You guys are regular
season champs playing the conference title game, come out on the.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Other side of it.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Still are part of the playoffs along with Clemson and
play Penn State. When you look at how it's set up,
how the ACC, the other conferences, the outsiders are a
part of it. Do you think there are things to
learn about how it's put together or where it might
be headed in another year or two if there are
changes made.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, I'm sure there's things to learn, and I hope
that everybody will sit back, go it was year one,
Let's give it another year or two.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
We like to make knee jerk reactions a lot one thing.
I think that's obviously it was better.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Twelve teams is better, more teams competing for a national championship.
I mean, just take the national Championship game for example.
Neither one of those teams would have made the format
a year ago. Neither one would have made the top four.
And I think everybody could have told you before that
Ohio State probably has the best roster in.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
The country, and they stubbed their toe a little bit
at the end.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
They wouldn't have gotten in they did, and then they
started playing that way, so you could argue the best.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Team won even though they were an eight seed.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I think I think first round playoff games on the
road is great, even though we had to go on
the road and played terrible, Like you earn a right
to have a home field advantage.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I think we need to look at.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
The model of the NFL and say we can't keep
You know, there's a lot of banter at one time, like, well,
we're not talking about potential, we're talking about what's been
earned and what's been done. You can't say, well, this
team should get in because I think they would wuldn't
know if they lost three or four games. They're not
getting in because that's potential, but that's not sustained success
and consistency of performance.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
And that's the way the NFL is.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
They got four divisions in the AFC and four divisions
in the NFC, and if you win your division, you're in. Well,
if you win a powerful conference, you should be in
and you should either have a home game or a
bye like that's not hard.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
But then after that all the wildcard.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Teams, it's the teams with the best record, and I
think strength to schedule is important, but you can't control
that until we get all the conferences doing it the
same way as at eight or nine conference games. How
many out of conference power games do we play? And
you know it took us. For example, our first ACC
game was against Florida State. They were undefeated. Last year
Mike was here and won this award. Who who gonna
(08:18):
thought they'd go two and ten? Well, how do we
get punished for that?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
And so if you ask me, make it sixteen teams
and be done because you don't add a week to
the playoffs. We're at twelve. It's a weird number. With
buy sixteen teams. Nobody gets a buy the top two
teams from the Power four conferences, you're in. If you
make your championhip game, you're in now. If you win it,
you're a top eight seed with a home game guaranteed.
After that, then you got the eight next best teams.
(08:43):
And it shouldn't We got to have a consistent metric
for measuring. It shouldn't be up to a committee that
puts too much pressure on them. You know, there's a
reason we used to have a BCS. We picked a
formula what we think matters the reason when nobody liked
it is to pick two teams. But if that's the
way to measure teams consistently, like they do in the
March Madness and all of that, you at least have
some more consistent data points to say who's the next
(09:04):
best eight teams? Because in the NFL, they don't care
what their strength to schedule was, whot who's got the
next best record. They're in a wild card and they
don't care if they played in a division that was
down that year or up.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
That's a very interesting way to put it.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And the Vikings, as good as they were, had to
go on the road to play the Rams. You know
why they lost their division and the Rams didn't. So
let's quit all that. Let's get the eight best teams,
top two teams from the top four conferences. You got
parody now, and you got a national tournament, and then
just pick the next best eight. And you know what
if seven of those eight come from the same conference,
who cares who's the next best? And you don't have
(09:37):
to length in the season, and I think it'd be great.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Why you be the commissioner of this whole thing and
just not coach anymore. I like this.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Oh, I'd like to make it again and try to
stay a little bit longer.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
As you said, your coach ball, that's what you like
to do. Things going really well at SMU. Really appreciate
your time and certainly congratulations on being here. Just like
you said, you never know what the future holds. We
were talking with Coach and OVL right here in this
very seat a season ago, and notts more great things
coming from SMU.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Thanks guys, appreciate you
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