August 30, 2024 • 31 mins
We've got a special guest in our podcast feed today! We're excited to share with you When I Grow Up - the brand new podcast from Ben and his daughter Sienna! If you like what you hear, follow the podcast on iHeartRadio or wherever you get your podcasts.
About the show:
This week Jazz Thornton, a renowned mental health advocate and TikTok sensation, joins Sienna and Ben to share her inspiring journey and offer valuable advice to young people facing challenges in today's world.
In this episode, they delve into:
- Jazz's mental health journey: Her personal experiences, how she found hope, and the steps you can take when you're feeling down.
- The impact of social media: Jazz's insights on the positives and pitfalls of social media, especially for young people.
- A royal mix-up: The surprising story of how Jazz almost unintentionally missed an opportunity to meet Prince Harry and Meghan Markle.
About The Show:
Sienna Boyce is 13 years old and constantly tells her Dad, Ben Boyce, what she wants to be when she grows up – an actor, scientist, rugby player, singer, chef or politician.
Each episode of ‘When I Grow Up’ aims to showcase inspirational females from around Aotearoa and shine a light on them, what it takes to do their job and learn about their story of how they got to where they are so that Sienna can help make up her mind.
This is a podcast to help the teenager in your life dream big.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, we've got a little podcast to check on your
podcast radar. It is called When I Grow Up and
it is out every Friday. You can catch it on iHeartRadio.
Will ever you listen to your podcasts?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It's starring our very own big boys here from the
Hits and his thirteen year old daughter, Siena, who is
so talented. But it's so many teenagers. Know, it's hard
to know what you do with talent when you grow up, right,
what to be when you get a little bit older.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I don't know if I have much talent not, but
I do know that I wanted to be the weather girl,
which lead to being a meteorologist, which also then lead
to being a massage therapist. I don't know, They're kind
of all coincist.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, wrong existed at once? What about you?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I desperately wanted to be a pilot. I just thought
it was such a cool job to have until I
realized you needed to be good with numbers and maths
and then went out out the window. And then I thought,
what else can I do? I can talk crap for
a living.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Hey, So every episode of When I Grow Up ams
to showcase a different well known kee. We female and
shine a light of them what it takes to do
their job, and learn about this story of how they
got to where they are. Very inspirational drops every Friday,
So go catch it on iHeartRadio, the Heads podcast network Mine.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Never seeing it and this is my dadmin. Hi, And
when I grow up, I want to be a TikTok
start right, or a sports player hang on, yeah, even
a fashion designer.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Actually maybe in Auclay.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Slow down, Maybe we should talk to some amazing females
who inspire you and who you want to be.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Like, yeah, and we can find out what they did
to get where they are.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yes, and let's do it as a TV show.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Oh, dad, only old people watch TV. Let's do it
as a podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I guess that Worksno, this.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Is when I grow up. Today's guest is Jazz Thornton.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
As you're hear, Jazz does incredible things to help people
with mental health, especially young people.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
She shares her inspire story on the.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Podcast Jazz is Awesome. She's great. I'd say you like,
she's got lots of riz He's.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Never said that. Every time you see someone call you
think something's to you. Oh, they got lots of risks.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
She tells a pin that there's lots of risk because
you think your work song I love.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
To say, because it winds you up so much.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Seriously, though, Jairs is amazing.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
It was really cool to find out some tips for
mental health for teens appearance, you know, actually for everyone,
and also some.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Good ways when you're dealing with anxiety and when you're
feeling low jeers.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
At one point on the podcast, you'll hear she even
got me crying with one story, Dad, you cry.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
With every movie, every animated movie, Thank you, joy story
and turned out And that's if you don't full of
sleep because they're all I care.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
Okay, okay, all right, there's enough about me watching the movies. Okay, Yeah,
that's true.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Jazz is also a TikTok style with millions of followers,
and I found it really interesting asking her to answer
to whether social media is good or bad?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah, and the power of the block. But it is
quite interesting, right.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
And she also hangs out with famous people. We find
out how she almost missed the child to hang out
with Prince Harry and.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Mega Marca and now Jazz got to hang out with me.
So that's great, isn't that yet that's not quite as cool.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Told me, I have you enjoyed our chat as much
as we did.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
It really felled me with hope.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
And as you did, I'd be pretty proud if you
ended up helping people like Jess does.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Hey, dad today, when I grow up, I want to
be someone who helps people like Jazz.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Thoughtan.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
Okay, Well, sh it's I don't know if it's awk
good or not, but Jess is with us right now
as you say that.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah, it's so nice to meet you. I've been such
a big fan for a while now, Oh, it's so
nice to meet you. I think that was the best
introduction I've ever had.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, I love that I you on the spot. Esa.
What do you admire about Jazz?
Speaker 6 (03:46):
Then?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Why would you want to be someone like Jess?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Well, first of all, I love your tektik, I love you, love.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
It when I do TikTok and do I get involved.
You're embarrassing me.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
That's just because you're you, Okay, fine, But I also
love that jazz helps people so many, like so many
people my age, and by sharing a story and giving
people hope. Now, Jazz, you help people with their mental
health and with doing this work You've got to experience
some amazing things, making movies, meeting famous celebrities and royalty,
(04:20):
writing books, and even speaking of the U in Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
But I guess to get to where you are now, Jazz,
it was such a journey for you, you know, going
through some horrible, horrible times, and that's to put it lightly.
How do you feel when you look back at that
and you go, well, here I am now. But I
had to get through that to get to where I
am now.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (04:37):
Absolutely, And I think I often find myself kind of
looking back at it and being like, man, what I
like trade all of that bad stuff so that I
could just have like a normal life. But every day
that someone comes up to me and they're like, oh,
your story's helped me so much or like it and
allowed me to see hope to stay another day, I'm like, oh,
you know what, Actually, all of that stuff, as much
as it sucked and it was so hard, I wouldn't
(04:59):
take it, wouldn't change it because I now get to
do all of these things and just impact people and
be able to share my story, which is twelve year
old Jaz.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Would have never thought was possible.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Yeah, So Jazz, I read around my age, you didn't
want to be around anymore, which is really sad.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
But what would you tell your younger self at my age?
Speaker 6 (05:17):
Yeah, well, I guess what you're saying, are you're looking back? Yeah,
it's a twelve year old year old jazz.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Oh man.
Speaker 7 (05:21):
I just like, there's so much more in the world
than what you can see now. And I think that
when you're you know, when you're twelve, when you're thirteen,
that all you can kind of really see. And I
think for me, because I didn't have the opportunity to
travel or see anything.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Outside of the small town that I grew up.
Speaker 7 (05:38):
In, New Zealand, my perception was that the world was
just this tiny kind of town that I was in
that nothing could ever change. And it's like, oh man,
there's so much out there, like getting to finish school
and going to the ball and then going into you know,
whether it be university or whatever it may be. There's
just this so much.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
More of the world than what you know.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
I mean, I grew up a mask and the world
before social media. I mean, you know, no one wants
to hear about.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Your stupid musk what you talk about.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
When I grew up, I don't have social media, okay.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
But when you do grow up in mass little wherever
you grow up, but your world is school and everything
around it at the time.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
And I think what happens and what happened for me,
especially around that age and with bullying, which is such
a prominent thing in schools now for young people, was
that when you're in that position where you're getting bullied,
you feel like the whole world hates you because your
perception of the whole world is so small. So again
it's quite hard to see like, oh, actually this isn't
the case, and not everyone in the whole world doesn't
(06:41):
like me. It's just a couple of bloody school bullies.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
Yeah, I mean it's hard. The teenage ers is hard
for every everyone. I'm looking back. I wore a Looney
Tune douvet and made it into a waistcoat and bandanna
and pants sitting and went to the school board. And
now I'm like, what was I doing? Geez, I wanted
it's terrible afterwards, it's not good. No one wants to
use a teenage boys do something you wear for the ball,
(07:04):
but I did. Nature you embarrassing school ball stories.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Gosh, but it's hard to be teenagers.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
I mean any teenager, right, Jess, You're a bubbly kid,
and I look at seeing my daughter, you know, and
she's a bubbly kid. But you somewhere you lost that
light as a teen and as a parent, that's heartbreaking
to hear that that happened.
Speaker 7 (07:24):
I think my child protection files literally said that I
went from being happy and bubbly to dull and lacking emotion.
And I think that for me was like knowing and
seeing people like you know yourself in this real, bright,
bubbly teenage and being like, man, that could have been me.
And it took me so long to find that bubbly
again and to find the kind of person that I
(07:44):
used to be. But then once I found it, I
was like, oh my gosh, this.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Is this is who I am.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
If someone's getting bullied, feeling down, or feeling helpless, what
a good ways to cope?
Speaker 7 (07:56):
I think that the biggest thing and the best thing
that you can do is to ask for help. I
think that there are so many people, especially in school,
like teachers that are older and wiser and are able
to kind of guide you through that. Being able to
kind of sit there in silence is just going to
make it.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
A lot worse.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
Yeah, and so yeah, I do think that the best
thing that you can do is to ask for help,
but in doing that to also always ask for help
from older and wiser. I think when you're really struggling,
asking from help from people that are your own age
or friends at school, it's good that people know what's
going on. But as wise as you are sometimes I
mean not even as wise as you are. Yeah, and
(08:34):
so you know, older and wiser and just learning to
ask for help is yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
This is when I grow up.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
What about, as I guess as a parent as well,
we advice you know, for someone who's just got a
daughter thirteen?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, I think it's mine.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
I think you are, I say, yeah, but there's us
worry met all seriousness about you know, the things that
kids have to go through these days, whether it's you know,
whether it's even vaping, whether it's social media, body image,
all those sorts of things is quite worrying as a parent.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
What advice?
Speaker 6 (09:06):
I mean, it's probably you haven't been a parent nowfore,
But what would you give first people like me that
want to support our my kids through that time.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
I think that the biggest thing to do is to
be having these open and honest conversations as much as possible.
I think you can't expect them to come to you
when things are happening at school or when you know,
even things like vaping or social media is happening if
you haven't been opening up, especially like I think the
dinner table used to be really good for that, but
now it's kind of just become we go and.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Watch screens or whatever it may be.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
But if you're not having that constant space where you're
just like allowing your kids to debrief their day or
you know, constantly ask and like how, I know, how
are you really like how's your day going? Or doing
it in a way that's not judgmental too, because what
I've noticed, especially with social media, the parents that try
to be super strict on it, that's when the kids
turn sneaky and the kids don't want to talk.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Learning to a team.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
You don't have to understand it, or you know, don't
be like, oh, back of my day or so much worse,
it's got to silence your kid. Yeah, just having those spaces,
try and reactivate dinner times if you can, or just
even like a couple of times a week where you're
at the dinner table, no screens and having this conversations
so that if stuff does hit the fan, they feel
like they can talk to you openly and honestly, without
sneaking around.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And dropping off at the school gates. Still give them
big hugging Oh yeah, that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
You know you're already at worked by like five years.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
You don't give me, give me picking up picking up
inside school. Jot me picking up inside School's right.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
You bring a lot of people hope with what you've done.
But I read that you didn't do it alone. As
a teenager, you in a pretty dark place and a
doctor named doctor step helped you out.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
Yes, doctor Stiff, Yeah, I guess that was someone that you, well,
you turn to not but I guess by choice at
the moment, but someone who did, like you're saying before,
someone older and wiser that sort of sat with you
for a long time, A long time.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
It was supposed to be like a fifteen minute doctor's
appointment ended up being ninety. And she said that reality
is that if it was a physical thing, if someone
was having a heart attack, then it doesn't matter how
long you spend with them, you will stay with them
until you can make sure they're stable. And she said
it's the same with mental health to be able to
sit and stay with someone. And she's like just responding
(11:21):
to it the same way, which is the same thing
with learning to ask for help, like responding it to
the same way as you do with physical health. But yeah,
she was amazing and said a lot of stuff to
me that I'd never really heard from medical professionals. Medical
professionals hadn't told me that there was hope for me,
that things could change. And having someone like that tell
me that, I was like, WHOA Like, if she thinks this,
maybe things could change.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
And now many many many years later, she's.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
On the board of our charity and I have adopted
myself into their family holiday.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
With her at stuff Done. Yeah. See, young people can
hang out with old people people than she with my
mum over here. She wasn't to impress.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
So, Jazz, do you recommend for young people when their
load talk to someone that will they trust.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
To find your own doctor, Steff, someone.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
You can talk to always, always, And I think just
keep asking until someone listens, because there always will be
and sometimes you might not get someone who understands right away.
But I didn't like it took me so long to
find doctor Steff, But eventually someone will listen and be
able to help.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Yeah, Can I ask on any tips like things like anxiety?
It happens to all of us. I get anxiety, You
get anxious.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
But you have a technique, right.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I do.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
And it's quite a known technique as well. But box
breathing as a really have you heard of it before?
Speaker 5 (12:38):
I think I've heard of it.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:39):
So it's basically where you breathe in for fo you
count to four, breathing for four, hold it for four,
breathe out for four, and then hold like no ear
for four and you keep doing that over and over again,
and it will literally calm down your nervous system, like
biologically scientifically we'll calm it down.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
And so you.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Just take a moment for yourself somewhere if it's feeling it,
and just gone through that breathing.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
Yeah, And I will do that often before I get
up on stage and speak at things.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
And because do you still you know, you deal with
some of these things and you find what techniques and
ways to deal with them now, right, absolutely, it doesn't
just mean because you were feeling low one time there,
You're not anymore. It's not going to happen again. You know,
it's kind of ways to find ways of dealing with it.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
That's been the thing is learning, learning the tools, learning
the techniques. In that way, things won't get as bad
as they were because now I know I know what
to do, I know how to handle it.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I know when to.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
Get off my phone and sign out of social media.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, all of those things are very very good. But yeah,
box breathing is a really good thing for people to learn.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
Now, you at your charity, you know, voices of hope,
You've got your podcast, hope is real as well. I
guess your message is always about finding hope. I hope,
I've got hope. I've got the right message from all
the things that you do. Yeah, I think it's find
that hope. Though sometimes when things feel about hopeless, used
hope a lot during that question.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
That's frambling answer the question.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Time, go Jazz.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
I think that what I found is and when it
was really dark, I thought that hope just didn't exist,
And I'm like, oh, hope is always there.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Sometimes it's just really hard to find it.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
And sometimes it's where other people can come in and
kind of try to hold the hope when you're trying
to find it, and that's what Stiff did with me.
She was like, no, Jaz, is hope for you. But
I think being able to try and look forward and
dream to the future. If you could do anything, what
would it be, Because it's really hard to fight if
you don't know what you're fighting for. And so if
(14:31):
you can say, like for me, one of the biggest things.
And I remember writing this down in the hospital one day.
They keep trying to make me write a bucket list,
and I was like, I want to write a bucket list,
and eventually I did, and at the top of their
bucket list was to visit New York City. And then
when I finally was there, I now work there all
the time.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, you go there.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
You're going in a couple of days to speak at
the U Yes, tomorrows.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
And so to be able to stand there and be like,
oh my gosh, like this is what you know, fifteen
year old Jazz was fighting for to one day have
that moment. I've been able to hold hope that way
is yeah, just a day at a time sometimes.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
So when did you decide to use your story and
your profile, your social media, public speaking books, speeches, and
your podcast, like use it.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
To help others?
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Did that just like happen or did you decide to
do it?
Speaker 7 (15:16):
I mean it was It was definitely a decision, but
I never expected it to be what it's become.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Like this is wild. Like I remember, actually.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Your dad and John O were in our first ever
Voices of Hope campaign.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
There we did.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Do you remember that we had a rugby ball and
you were like throwing the ball.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
But I decided to go to film school because when
I was in the middle of my struggles, I spent
a lot of time trying to research other people's stories
just to know that there was hope, and back then
I couldn't find anything. I think John Kernwain had to
kind of just come out with his story and that
was really it. And so when I came out the
other side, I was like, I just want to learn
to tell these stories so that people can, no matter
(15:56):
what it is they're facing, can go and find hope.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
So study directing.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
But yeah, my first show got picked up the two
terms into film school, and then the movie got signed
and the books got signed the year after, and.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Then it kind of just then I got on TikTok.
I don't even want it to do but talk to
Stiff's kids, but like, you gotta get on TikTok.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
And I was like, no, in the first video over
post it was so lame.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
It was a freaking dog with a stick like a right,
I don't know what I was doing, and then started
to share.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
But I did the series and the movie and the
first book before TikTok existed, and I guess TikTok really
is just what blew up Yeah, everything, but yes it was.
It was a decision to tell these stories, not necessarily
my story to.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
This extent, but it happened.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
And now I'm like, oh, well, if people find hope
in it is what it happens.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Is it hard putting yourself out there? And like how
many nasty comments you encounter?
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Like how do you deal with that?
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Yeah, I mean there's always negativity, I guess, Jaz, I mean,
just google John O and Bean if you want to
make yourself feel better.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
I've learned the power of the block button on social media.
Love a good block, love a life. Even I mean,
I'm like, I don't have to see this. People don't
have to comment this is the thing, and it probably
sounds like an old man ranting here, so you know,
we'll roll her eyes. But you don't have to comment
on everything. If you don't like something, you don't have
to comment.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
It's true.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
You can get away though, Like why do you feel
the need to comment on someone else's video.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
All the time?
Speaker 6 (17:18):
You know, but that's kind of I guess we think
social media is encouraged to comments. Yeah, but sometimes I'm like, oh,
you can probably walk away and not comment.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
Well, I think a lot of the main backlash that
I've had was at the start, and it was all
like middle aged specifically, to be honest, middle aged men.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yeah. It was basically just.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
But they were very much just like because they still
couldn't get past the attention seeking as so they were
just like the film was getting announced and they were
like this.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Attention seeking big like blah blah blah. And I was like,
oh my.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
Gosh, like come on, But I've started to kind of
I'm like, hey, most of our statistics and middle aged men, so.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
This is not just there are teenagers. Yeah, it's for
you everyone, every right.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
You didn't just upset older people like that, you were
upset it UK.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Hey, one of the chocolates wrong.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
This is the most viral thing I have ever done.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
So if not if people are listening that what the
heck was this? There was a chocolate from the UK
you got sent from a friend and you weren't sure
how to eat it, but you ate it on TikTok
and everyone was like, it almost calls the national incident
between New Zealand and the UK because you ate it wrong.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Yeah, yeah it was.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
It was, and all the like media radio stations from
around the world were covering this.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
What the world do you get it?
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Bloody?
Speaker 7 (18:35):
If any food item and go, oh you know how
I eat this? I smash it on a table.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
And I ate it.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I thought the way you ate it, to be fair,
was the way it was. How did you eat it?
I got it?
Speaker 7 (18:44):
So you're supposed that the whole concept, thank you. You're
supposed to smash it and then it falls into segments
and then you eat the segments.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
But I didn't know this information. Does it have instructions
on it?
Speaker 6 (18:56):
No?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Mine didn't because it was a nineteenth jubilee box.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Well yeah they can't. They can't get mad, you know.
But didn't have.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Instructions they have trying to prevent me now from getting
in the border of the United Kingdom, like a petition
that went out.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Really sometimes.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
This is when I grow up.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
You're big on tech took love what you do, but
you have millions of followers. I found myself watching too
much techtok and dad tells me to get off.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
So what do you actually think of social media?
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Good or bad?
Speaker 7 (19:30):
I think both, and you say good. I think what
is amazing about social media is that when your dad
was growing up, and especially I think a woman that
you know your age, the only idea that you had
of people were magazines was the Kardashians was edited things
that were selected by the media. So there was no
(19:52):
other way, at least it was like reality TV. There
was no other way to see normal lives. So you
were only kind of growing up seeing this picture perf
affect body and like these perfect bodies and that's it.
We're social media has completely taken that power away from
the media and is like this is real life, these
are real bodies, these are real stories. My life is
not glamorous, and I think there's definitely a lot of
(20:15):
negatives to social media. We all know that the bullying,
the time consumed, but the stuff that you can learn
on there, the fact that you can grow up and
see people like myself on there or people that don't
aren't cut Ashians or have pitch perfect lives.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
But that's actually really healthy in my opinion.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
Yeah, yeah, it's a way. You're right, it's opened the
world up to not just that select Yeah, screen time
not as healthy. I don't even want to know what
line is.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
And obviously there is a lot of danger to social
media and stuff, but I think the reality is it's
not going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
So learning how to use that.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
Setting screen time limits for especially your age, as very important.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Otherwise in your world just becomes.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Social media and how many likes can I get in that,
which is not important in the real world.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
But you can see things can go off. Put this
video ut they didn't get your.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
Self worth starts to go with it because you're like, oh,
this photo didn't get as many likes, or you're looking
through to see who liked it, like my friend didn't
like Well where it may be. So my biggest thing
is how do we teach young people to not put
their worth and their identity in social media?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
That's kind of more. I think that how even how
parents and stuff, how we can encourage.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
That You've done so many amazing things, from winning reality
shows to speaking at the un movies.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Books podcast, this podcast, this podcast.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
What is the one thing you're most proud of?
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Man?
Speaker 7 (21:38):
I think all of these things have been really cool
to do, and you know, I would have never imagined
winning Dancing with the Stars, will been able to work
with Prince Harryt and do this crazy things. But I
think above absolutely everything, there was a moment I'll never
forget where I was speaking at a conference and there
was this mother that came up to me and she
was just crying and I looked at her and I
(21:58):
hugged her, and then she just said, my daughter, she's
been in and out of sight words for a long time.
She's been really struggling, and she I got her your
book and when she read it, it was the first
time that she felt her the first time that she
felt like there was hope. And I remember kind of
looking up and the daughter was there and she's crying,
and I just in that moment, was like, man, this
(22:20):
is why this tops anything any kind of achievements, as
you don't do it for anything else than those moments
of going these people know that there's hope.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
It must be special for you, you know, And I mean
your story has helped so many people.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
I think I cry every time that I meet people
like that. And now it's happening all over the world.
I was in the US or the UK and Scotland
and there's people coming up to me there saying the
same thing. And it's so cool to go. Actually, Like
all I've done is gone, hey, there's hope, and other
people have chosen to fight to stay and I think
that's what's really cool.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
Yeah, above Prince William and Prince Harry hanging out with them,
you know, I mean cool.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
But not as cool as that.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
I'm like, I don't care about it, Like it's cool,
and I'm like, wow, how do I end up here?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
But that's never the reason you do it? And I
stopped it.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
If people weren't getting impacted by the story, I'm not
doing my job right. So it's you know that one
hundred percent, it's always those stories that just oh that's why, why.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
Why, that's the why you do it? Okay, so we
need to ask how did you end up hanging out
with Megan and Harry.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
So we actually nearly missed this entire opportunity. We were
getting this this email.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
I do a lot of speaking, and I got this
email from this woman who sits us from Wellington being like, hey,
can you come down and speak at this conference? And
at the time I was like, I'm really busy, Like
I just she was like, give me a call when
you can. We played phone tag for like two weeks
and eventually I was like, oh, I need to answer
the lady from Wellington, And so I answered the phone
and she goes, I don't actually want you to speak
in an event. I'm a Royal Advisor and Prince Harry
(23:53):
Meghan are coming to New Zealand and they want to
have coffee with you.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
And I was like oh. And so afterwards there emails.
The first time I think she just wanted like to know.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
I was legit right and I wasn't just going to
jump on it for that reason. And then her like
the signature afterwards added Royal Advisor, and I was like,
you told me that in the first place.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
So you meet them for like your coffee?
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
So we went down to Wellington, we meet them for coffee,
and I remember sitting there being like.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
What do we do you bow do you say you're
like wood?
Speaker 7 (24:25):
And then came in and they just kind of like
shook our hands, sit down, and like afterwards were hugging us,
and I was like, I feel like we weren't supposed
to do that, and you're also not supposed to like
like take photos properly with them, but we did that,
which I'm so glad that we did. But yeah, they
were so nice. And then wait, I don't know, this
is really funny. We were doing interviews afterwards and one
(24:47):
of the reporters was.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Asking us how was that?
Speaker 7 (24:49):
It was a good and gin So we're having coffee
and then there was like slices and stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
On there and she was like, the ginger Crunch was
really good.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
The reporter thought that she was talking about Prince Harry.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
So he got the nickname the Ginger Crunch from Crossing. YEA, yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Mean that shows that they are, you know, I'm sure
they're just real people, you know, like, yes, they have
again they have a thing that their jobs where the
actors or oral family has put them on a real
public profile.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I think it's really funny though, because we even then.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
I don't know if you know this, but me and
Jing got an award from Her Majesty, the Queen compel us.
We were supposed to bucking so we did some stuff
with obviously with Harry and Meghan, and then we went
and met with the Royal Foundation, which is the people
that they were doing stuff with.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
But yeah, the award from the Queen.
Speaker 7 (25:36):
We were supposed to go and receive it in Buckingham,
but it was in COVID so we couldn't. So I
arrived at our house in the post cracked and this
like it was so bad and.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I was like, this is from palace and it's like
in this little but it's got a little Queenie's signature
on it. Ri ip.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
But what was it? It was an.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
Award for our service to mental health as well in
the Commonwealth.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, do you want each? Just wonder shire one each?
That's good, that's good. It is a great time.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
You've done a lot of reality TV. What was harder
learning dancing steps and dancing with the stars or going
without much food on Celebrity Treasure.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Celebrity Treasure Island. Really, oh my gosh, learning dance steps
through the day and not.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
I mean Dancing with the Stars was rough, like that's
eleven hour like eleven hour days, eleven weeks, like you
don't have a single day because we were in rehearsals before.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Anything was an hours and so it was crazy TikTok
TikTok Dancing the Stars and it was live as well,
which was scary show that TikTok Dancing the Stars. Just
put it up, who gets the most views over a week?
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Great idea, dance, don't I see it? I was like,
please dig up, don't you go on that You've tried
to teach something does stay in my brain though dancing
obviously it does with you, you know you can learn.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Steps managed to do it Treasure Island.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
First of all, I'm like, there's so many reasons that
I could.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I was just terrible.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
I had just had COVID as well, like I was
pushed out a day from going because I had COVID.
And then I'm asmadicic, I'm disleksick, I'm adhd. My hand
was broken, and so trying to do anything was was
so hard. But I think, yeah, living on rice and
beans and I've got i'm allergic to seafood and so
like people were trying to catch fish and I was like, well,
(27:17):
I can't you know.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Eat any of that.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
And then you're doing these big endurance challenges and yeah,
it's like it's crazy. You get like we got emergency
evacuated one night, and it's just you just cry every day.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I feel like for.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
TV, they would go and stop recording and then be like,
all right, guys, great, shoot, let's go to the Airbnb
the hotel. Nah, but it's like it's legit. You guys
are in there.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
You don't have pillows.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
I think that was the big thing, like you had
and I was just like, no, no, you weren't allowed.
So you had to like roll up sweatshirts and like
just try to use that.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
And you're allowed to bring like a pillow case and
stuff it with clothes.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
So that's what some people did. I didn't know this information,
and so I'm going to out myself here. When we
got emergency evacuated and we went to the hotels, I
took the hotel.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I was like, I'm so sorry, I will pay the
hotel back. They have so many of them because some
people did that. But yeah, you just kind of had
to like roll.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Up like cloth.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Yeah, and then just kind of use it as the case. Yeah,
school camp, they give you a list of going on.
These are all the things you kind of yes, but I.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
Got so much stuff taken off me because they bagsart
you as if you were like coming into a new
country and you've got all the illegal stuff. So like
I had, like baby wipes got taken off me because
they could be used as toilet paper.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Use toilet paper. I was like, this is all.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
Like no mirrors, but they us have makeup, so you
could do your makeup without any mirrors, which was I
just was like this, maybe you could like smash the
mirror something well a year or like maybe the mirror
would start a fire if you know. And where we
were and Wonnaca like it's quite dry land, but he was.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
I think slippertish Ryland was the hardest thing I had
done you ever done, Absolutely like it was wild.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Would I do it again?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Probably probably, because that's I love that. I think it's fun,
but it definitely takes it.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Before we go, I want to fire at you some
quick fire questions to find out if I really want
to be like you.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
This game is.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Called this or that?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Okay, ready, TikTok or Instagram TikTok Harry Styles or Harry Potter,
Harry Styles, okay, Jandles or Crocs, Crocs, Minecraft or Fortnite.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I haven't played either.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Prime Energy or Frank Green Drink Bottle.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
Frank Green everyone I love Frank Emotion or support Watery.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Kindle or a real book, real book, Netflix or Snapchat, Netflix,
air pods or a zero point five photo.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Zero point five is the new Well, it's probably not
feel like I've just gone on to it. It's very
cool high angle stuff.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Yeah, but I have my Aarpod Maxes, which I love
like those of different. Yeah, it is a different Okay,
I'm gonna get in that case, I'm going to do
zero point five.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
But also, all right, sleep in or stay up late,
sleep Barby movie or Fast and Furious. Prince Harry or
Prince William. They're probably not going to hear that.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
You know. She don't think anyone is going to do
the chocolate thing either. We don't want another how about
we don't know answer that one. We don't want to
cause another incidence incident.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
It's the final Johnno will be in.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Oh you can't want that there, Yes, thank you so
much for what you did.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
I definitely want to be like you because you have
so many people. What you do now literally saves lives.
Thank you for doing your story and giving people hope.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Oh, thank you so much. Thanks for having me. How
cool is Jazz?
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Do you see why I want to be like her?
Speaker 3 (30:41):
She is cool? But also she chose you over me?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Right?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah? Now really inspiring us. So much great advice from Jazz.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
And I actually found really interesting in her answer about
how she choose to help people over anything that she's
achieved personally is yehally awesome.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
It shows a sort of person she is.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
Yeah, you know, so settled, you want to grow up
and you want to be Jesse Thornton.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Right, Well maybe, but there's plenty of other inspiring.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
People who I could be like, Oh, so we're doing
this again, aren't we?
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Yeah, don't forget.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
To like and subscribe or you'll miss out.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
And who the nixt inspiring person could be
Hey, we've got a little podcast to check on your
podcast radar. It is called When I Grow Up and
it is out every Friday. You can catch it on iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Hits and his thirteen year old daughter, Siena, who is
so talented. But it's so many teenagers. Know, it's hard
to know what you do with talent when you grow up, right,
what to be when you get a little bit older.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I don't know if I have much talent not, but
I do know that I wanted to be the weather girl,
which lead to being a meteorologist, which also then lead
to being a massage therapist. I don't know, They're kind
of all coincist.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, wrong existed at once? What about you?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I desperately wanted to be a pilot. I just thought
it was such a cool job to have until I
realized you needed to be good with numbers and maths
and then went out out the window. And then I thought,
what else can I do? I can talk crap for
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Speaker 1 (00:57):
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Speaker 4 (01:17):
Never seeing it and this is my dadmin. Hi, And
when I grow up, I want to be a TikTok
start right, or a sports player hang on, yeah, even
a fashion designer.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Actually maybe in Auclay.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Slow down, Maybe we should talk to some amazing females
who inspire you and who you want to be.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Like, yeah, and we can find out what they did
to get where they are.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yes, and let's do it as a TV show.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Oh, dad, only old people watch TV. Let's do it
as a podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I guess that Worksno, this.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Is when I grow up. Today's guest is Jazz Thornton.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
As you're hear, Jazz does incredible things to help people
with mental health, especially young people.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
She shares her inspire story on the.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Podcast Jazz is Awesome. She's great. I'd say you like,
she's got lots of riz He's.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Never said that. Every time you see someone call you
think something's to you. Oh, they got lots of risks.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
She tells a pin that there's lots of risk because
you think your work song I love.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
To say, because it winds you up so much.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Seriously, though, Jairs is amazing.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
It was really cool to find out some tips for
mental health for teens appearance, you know, actually for everyone,
and also some.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Good ways when you're dealing with anxiety and when you're
feeling low jeers.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
At one point on the podcast, you'll hear she even
got me crying with one story, Dad, you cry.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
With every movie, every animated movie, Thank you, joy story
and turned out And that's if you don't full of
sleep because they're all I care.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
Okay, okay, all right, there's enough about me watching the movies. Okay, Yeah,
that's true.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Jazz is also a TikTok style with millions of followers,
and I found it really interesting asking her to answer
to whether social media is good or bad?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah, and the power of the block. But it is
quite interesting, right.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
And she also hangs out with famous people. We find
out how she almost missed the child to hang out
with Prince Harry and.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Mega Marca and now Jazz got to hang out with me.
So that's great, isn't that yet that's not quite as cool.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Told me, I have you enjoyed our chat as much
as we did.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
It really felled me with hope.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
And as you did, I'd be pretty proud if you
ended up helping people like Jess does.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Hey, dad today, when I grow up, I want to
be someone who helps people like Jazz.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Thoughtan.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
Okay, Well, sh it's I don't know if it's awk
good or not, but Jess is with us right now
as you say that.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah, it's so nice to meet you. I've been such
a big fan for a while now, Oh, it's so
nice to meet you. I think that was the best
introduction I've ever had.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, I love that I you on the spot. Esa.
What do you admire about Jazz?
Speaker 6 (03:46):
Then?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Why would you want to be someone like Jess?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Well, first of all, I love your tektik, I love you, love.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
It when I do TikTok and do I get involved.
You're embarrassing me.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
That's just because you're you, Okay, fine, But I also
love that jazz helps people so many, like so many
people my age, and by sharing a story and giving
people hope. Now, Jazz, you help people with their mental
health and with doing this work You've got to experience
some amazing things, making movies, meeting famous celebrities and royalty,
(04:20):
writing books, and even speaking of the U in Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
But I guess to get to where you are now, Jazz,
it was such a journey for you, you know, going
through some horrible, horrible times, and that's to put it lightly.
How do you feel when you look back at that
and you go, well, here I am now. But I
had to get through that to get to where I
am now.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (04:37):
Absolutely, And I think I often find myself kind of
looking back at it and being like, man, what I
like trade all of that bad stuff so that I
could just have like a normal life. But every day
that someone comes up to me and they're like, oh,
your story's helped me so much or like it and
allowed me to see hope to stay another day, I'm like, oh,
you know what, Actually, all of that stuff, as much
as it sucked and it was so hard, I wouldn't
(04:59):
take it, wouldn't change it because I now get to
do all of these things and just impact people and
be able to share my story, which is twelve year
old Jaz.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Would have never thought was possible.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Yeah, So Jazz, I read around my age, you didn't
want to be around anymore, which is really sad.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
But what would you tell your younger self at my age?
Speaker 6 (05:17):
Yeah, well, I guess what you're saying, are you're looking back? Yeah,
it's a twelve year old year old jazz.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Oh man.
Speaker 7 (05:21):
I just like, there's so much more in the world
than what you can see now. And I think that
when you're you know, when you're twelve, when you're thirteen,
that all you can kind of really see. And I
think for me, because I didn't have the opportunity to
travel or see anything.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Outside of the small town that I grew up.
Speaker 7 (05:38):
In, New Zealand, my perception was that the world was
just this tiny kind of town that I was in
that nothing could ever change. And it's like, oh man,
there's so much out there, like getting to finish school
and going to the ball and then going into you know,
whether it be university or whatever it may be. There's
just this so much.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
More of the world than what you know.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
I mean, I grew up a mask and the world
before social media. I mean, you know, no one wants
to hear about.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Your stupid musk what you talk about.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
When I grew up, I don't have social media, okay.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
But when you do grow up in mass little wherever
you grow up, but your world is school and everything
around it at the time.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
And I think what happens and what happened for me,
especially around that age and with bullying, which is such
a prominent thing in schools now for young people, was
that when you're in that position where you're getting bullied,
you feel like the whole world hates you because your
perception of the whole world is so small. So again
it's quite hard to see like, oh, actually this isn't
the case, and not everyone in the whole world doesn't
(06:41):
like me. It's just a couple of bloody school bullies.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
Yeah, I mean it's hard. The teenage ers is hard
for every everyone. I'm looking back. I wore a Looney
Tune douvet and made it into a waistcoat and bandanna
and pants sitting and went to the school board. And
now I'm like, what was I doing? Geez, I wanted
it's terrible afterwards, it's not good. No one wants to
use a teenage boys do something you wear for the ball,
(07:04):
but I did. Nature you embarrassing school ball stories.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Gosh, but it's hard to be teenagers.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
I mean any teenager, right, Jess, You're a bubbly kid,
and I look at seeing my daughter, you know, and
she's a bubbly kid. But you somewhere you lost that
light as a teen and as a parent, that's heartbreaking
to hear that that happened.
Speaker 7 (07:24):
I think my child protection files literally said that I
went from being happy and bubbly to dull and lacking emotion.
And I think that for me was like knowing and
seeing people like you know yourself in this real, bright,
bubbly teenage and being like, man, that could have been me.
And it took me so long to find that bubbly
again and to find the kind of person that I
(07:44):
used to be. But then once I found it, I
was like, oh my gosh, this.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Is this is who I am.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
If someone's getting bullied, feeling down, or feeling helpless, what
a good ways to cope?
Speaker 7 (07:56):
I think that the biggest thing and the best thing
that you can do is to ask for help. I
think that there are so many people, especially in school,
like teachers that are older and wiser and are able
to kind of guide you through that. Being able to
kind of sit there in silence is just going to
make it.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
A lot worse.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
Yeah, and so yeah, I do think that the best
thing that you can do is to ask for help,
but in doing that to also always ask for help
from older and wiser. I think when you're really struggling,
asking from help from people that are your own age
or friends at school, it's good that people know what's
going on. But as wise as you are sometimes I
mean not even as wise as you are. Yeah, and
(08:34):
so you know, older and wiser and just learning to
ask for help is yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
This is when I grow up.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
What about, as I guess as a parent as well,
we advice you know, for someone who's just got a
daughter thirteen?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, I think it's mine.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
I think you are, I say, yeah, but there's us
worry met all seriousness about you know, the things that
kids have to go through these days, whether it's you know,
whether it's even vaping, whether it's social media, body image,
all those sorts of things is quite worrying as a parent.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
What advice?
Speaker 6 (09:06):
I mean, it's probably you haven't been a parent nowfore,
But what would you give first people like me that
want to support our my kids through that time.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
I think that the biggest thing to do is to
be having these open and honest conversations as much as possible.
I think you can't expect them to come to you
when things are happening at school or when you know,
even things like vaping or social media is happening if
you haven't been opening up, especially like I think the
dinner table used to be really good for that, but
now it's kind of just become we go and.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Watch screens or whatever it may be.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
But if you're not having that constant space where you're
just like allowing your kids to debrief their day or
you know, constantly ask and like how, I know, how
are you really like how's your day going? Or doing
it in a way that's not judgmental too, because what
I've noticed, especially with social media, the parents that try
to be super strict on it, that's when the kids
turn sneaky and the kids don't want to talk.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Learning to a team.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
You don't have to understand it, or you know, don't
be like, oh, back of my day or so much worse,
it's got to silence your kid. Yeah, just having those spaces,
try and reactivate dinner times if you can, or just
even like a couple of times a week where you're
at the dinner table, no screens and having this conversations
so that if stuff does hit the fan, they feel
like they can talk to you openly and honestly, without
sneaking around.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And dropping off at the school gates. Still give them
big hugging Oh yeah, that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
You know you're already at worked by like five years.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
You don't give me, give me picking up picking up
inside school. Jot me picking up inside School's right.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
You bring a lot of people hope with what you've done.
But I read that you didn't do it alone. As
a teenager, you in a pretty dark place and a
doctor named doctor step helped you out.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
Yes, doctor Stiff, Yeah, I guess that was someone that you, well,
you turn to not but I guess by choice at
the moment, but someone who did, like you're saying before,
someone older and wiser that sort of sat with you
for a long time, A long time.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
It was supposed to be like a fifteen minute doctor's
appointment ended up being ninety. And she said that reality
is that if it was a physical thing, if someone
was having a heart attack, then it doesn't matter how
long you spend with them, you will stay with them
until you can make sure they're stable. And she said
it's the same with mental health to be able to
sit and stay with someone. And she's like just responding
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to it the same way, which is the same thing
with learning to ask for help, like responding it to
the same way as you do with physical health. But yeah,
she was amazing and said a lot of stuff to
me that I'd never really heard from medical professionals. Medical
professionals hadn't told me that there was hope for me,
that things could change. And having someone like that tell
me that, I was like, WHOA Like, if she thinks this,
maybe things could change.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
And now many many many years later, she's.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
On the board of our charity and I have adopted
myself into their family holiday.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
With her at stuff Done. Yeah. See, young people can
hang out with old people people than she with my
mum over here. She wasn't to impress.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
So, Jazz, do you recommend for young people when their
load talk to someone that will they trust.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
To find your own doctor, Steff, someone.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
You can talk to always, always, And I think just
keep asking until someone listens, because there always will be
and sometimes you might not get someone who understands right away.
But I didn't like it took me so long to
find doctor Steff, But eventually someone will listen and be
able to help.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Yeah, Can I ask on any tips like things like anxiety?
It happens to all of us. I get anxiety, You
get anxious.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
But you have a technique, right.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I do.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
And it's quite a known technique as well. But box
breathing as a really have you heard of it before?
Speaker 5 (12:38):
I think I've heard of it.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:39):
So it's basically where you breathe in for fo you
count to four, breathing for four, hold it for four,
breathe out for four, and then hold like no ear
for four and you keep doing that over and over again,
and it will literally calm down your nervous system, like
biologically scientifically we'll calm it down.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
And so you.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Just take a moment for yourself somewhere if it's feeling it,
and just gone through that breathing.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
Yeah, And I will do that often before I get
up on stage and speak at things.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
And because do you still you know, you deal with
some of these things and you find what techniques and
ways to deal with them now, right, absolutely, it doesn't
just mean because you were feeling low one time there,
You're not anymore. It's not going to happen again. You know,
it's kind of ways to find ways of dealing with it.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
That's been the thing is learning, learning the tools, learning
the techniques. In that way, things won't get as bad
as they were because now I know I know what
to do, I know how to handle it.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I know when to.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
Get off my phone and sign out of social media.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, all of those things are very very good. But yeah,
box breathing is a really good thing for people to learn.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
Now, you at your charity, you know, voices of hope,
You've got your podcast, hope is real as well. I
guess your message is always about finding hope. I hope,
I've got hope. I've got the right message from all
the things that you do. Yeah, I think it's find
that hope. Though sometimes when things feel about hopeless, used
hope a lot during that question.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
That's frambling answer the question.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Time, go Jazz.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
I think that what I found is and when it
was really dark, I thought that hope just didn't exist,
And I'm like, oh, hope is always there.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Sometimes it's just really hard to find it.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
And sometimes it's where other people can come in and
kind of try to hold the hope when you're trying
to find it, and that's what Stiff did with me.
She was like, no, Jaz, is hope for you. But
I think being able to try and look forward and
dream to the future. If you could do anything, what
would it be, Because it's really hard to fight if
you don't know what you're fighting for. And so if
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you can say, like for me, one of the biggest things.
And I remember writing this down in the hospital one day.
They keep trying to make me write a bucket list,
and I was like, I want to write a bucket list,
and eventually I did, and at the top of their
bucket list was to visit New York City. And then
when I finally was there, I now work there all
the time.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, you go there.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
You're going in a couple of days to speak at
the U Yes, tomorrows.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
And so to be able to stand there and be like,
oh my gosh, like this is what you know, fifteen
year old Jazz was fighting for to one day have
that moment. I've been able to hold hope that way
is yeah, just a day at a time sometimes.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
So when did you decide to use your story and
your profile, your social media, public speaking books, speeches, and
your podcast, like use it.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
To help others?
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Did that just like happen or did you decide to
do it?
Speaker 7 (15:16):
I mean it was It was definitely a decision, but
I never expected it to be what it's become.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Like this is wild. Like I remember, actually.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Your dad and John O were in our first ever
Voices of Hope campaign.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
There we did.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Do you remember that we had a rugby ball and
you were like throwing the ball.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
But I decided to go to film school because when
I was in the middle of my struggles, I spent
a lot of time trying to research other people's stories
just to know that there was hope, and back then
I couldn't find anything. I think John Kernwain had to
kind of just come out with his story and that
was really it. And so when I came out the
other side, I was like, I just want to learn
to tell these stories so that people can, no matter
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what it is they're facing, can go and find hope.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
So study directing.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
But yeah, my first show got picked up the two
terms into film school, and then the movie got signed
and the books got signed the year after, and.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Then it kind of just then I got on TikTok.
I don't even want it to do but talk to
Stiff's kids, but like, you gotta get on TikTok.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
And I was like, no, in the first video over
post it was so lame.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
It was a freaking dog with a stick like a right,
I don't know what I was doing, and then started
to share.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
But I did the series and the movie and the
first book before TikTok existed, and I guess TikTok really
is just what blew up Yeah, everything, but yes it was.
It was a decision to tell these stories, not necessarily
my story to.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
This extent, but it happened.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
And now I'm like, oh, well, if people find hope
in it is what it happens.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Is it hard putting yourself out there? And like how
many nasty comments you encounter?
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Like how do you deal with that?
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Yeah, I mean there's always negativity, I guess, Jaz, I mean,
just google John O and Bean if you want to
make yourself feel better.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
I've learned the power of the block button on social media.
Love a good block, love a life. Even I mean,
I'm like, I don't have to see this. People don't
have to comment this is the thing, and it probably
sounds like an old man ranting here, so you know,
we'll roll her eyes. But you don't have to comment
on everything. If you don't like something, you don't have
to comment.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
It's true.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
You can get away though, Like why do you feel
the need to comment on someone else's video.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
All the time?
Speaker 6 (17:18):
You know, but that's kind of I guess we think
social media is encouraged to comments. Yeah, but sometimes I'm like, oh,
you can probably walk away and not comment.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
Well, I think a lot of the main backlash that
I've had was at the start, and it was all
like middle aged specifically, to be honest, middle aged men.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yeah. It was basically just.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
But they were very much just like because they still
couldn't get past the attention seeking as so they were
just like the film was getting announced and they were
like this.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Attention seeking big like blah blah blah. And I was like,
oh my.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
Gosh, like come on, But I've started to kind of
I'm like, hey, most of our statistics and middle aged men, so.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
This is not just there are teenagers. Yeah, it's for
you everyone, every right.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
You didn't just upset older people like that, you were
upset it UK.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Hey, one of the chocolates wrong.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
This is the most viral thing I have ever done.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
So if not if people are listening that what the
heck was this? There was a chocolate from the UK
you got sent from a friend and you weren't sure
how to eat it, but you ate it on TikTok
and everyone was like, it almost calls the national incident
between New Zealand and the UK because you ate it wrong.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Yeah, yeah it was.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
It was, and all the like media radio stations from
around the world were covering this.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
What the world do you get it?
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Bloody?
Speaker 7 (18:35):
If any food item and go, oh you know how
I eat this? I smash it on a table.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
And I ate it.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I thought the way you ate it, to be fair,
was the way it was. How did you eat it?
I got it?
Speaker 7 (18:44):
So you're supposed that the whole concept, thank you. You're
supposed to smash it and then it falls into segments
and then you eat the segments.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
But I didn't know this information. Does it have instructions
on it?
Speaker 6 (18:56):
No?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Mine didn't because it was a nineteenth jubilee box.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Well yeah they can't. They can't get mad, you know.
But didn't have.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Instructions they have trying to prevent me now from getting
in the border of the United Kingdom, like a petition
that went out.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Really sometimes.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
This is when I grow up.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
You're big on tech took love what you do, but
you have millions of followers. I found myself watching too
much techtok and dad tells me to get off.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
So what do you actually think of social media?
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Good or bad?
Speaker 7 (19:30):
I think both, and you say good. I think what
is amazing about social media is that when your dad
was growing up, and especially I think a woman that
you know your age, the only idea that you had
of people were magazines was the Kardashians was edited things
that were selected by the media. So there was no
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other way, at least it was like reality TV. There
was no other way to see normal lives. So you
were only kind of growing up seeing this picture perf
affect body and like these perfect bodies and that's it.
We're social media has completely taken that power away from
the media and is like this is real life, these
are real bodies, these are real stories. My life is
not glamorous, and I think there's definitely a lot of
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negatives to social media. We all know that the bullying,
the time consumed, but the stuff that you can learn
on there, the fact that you can grow up and
see people like myself on there or people that don't
aren't cut Ashians or have pitch perfect lives.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
But that's actually really healthy in my opinion.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
Yeah, yeah, it's a way. You're right, it's opened the
world up to not just that select Yeah, screen time
not as healthy. I don't even want to know what
line is.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
And obviously there is a lot of danger to social
media and stuff, but I think the reality is it's
not going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
So learning how to use that.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
Setting screen time limits for especially your age, as very important.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Otherwise in your world just becomes.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Social media and how many likes can I get in that,
which is not important in the real world.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
But you can see things can go off. Put this
video ut they didn't get your.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
Self worth starts to go with it because you're like, oh,
this photo didn't get as many likes, or you're looking
through to see who liked it, like my friend didn't
like Well where it may be. So my biggest thing
is how do we teach young people to not put
their worth and their identity in social media?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
That's kind of more. I think that how even how
parents and stuff, how we can encourage.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
That You've done so many amazing things, from winning reality
shows to speaking at the un movies.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Books podcast, this podcast, this podcast.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
What is the one thing you're most proud of?
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Man?
Speaker 7 (21:38):
I think all of these things have been really cool
to do, and you know, I would have never imagined
winning Dancing with the Stars, will been able to work
with Prince Harryt and do this crazy things. But I
think above absolutely everything, there was a moment I'll never
forget where I was speaking at a conference and there
was this mother that came up to me and she
was just crying and I looked at her and I
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hugged her, and then she just said, my daughter, she's
been in and out of sight words for a long time.
She's been really struggling, and she I got her your
book and when she read it, it was the first
time that she felt her the first time that she
felt like there was hope. And I remember kind of
looking up and the daughter was there and she's crying,
and I just in that moment, was like, man, this
(22:20):
is why this tops anything any kind of achievements, as
you don't do it for anything else than those moments
of going these people know that there's hope.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
It must be special for you, you know, And I mean
your story has helped so many people.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
I think I cry every time that I meet people
like that. And now it's happening all over the world.
I was in the US or the UK and Scotland
and there's people coming up to me there saying the
same thing. And it's so cool to go. Actually, Like
all I've done is gone, hey, there's hope, and other
people have chosen to fight to stay and I think
that's what's really cool.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
Yeah, above Prince William and Prince Harry hanging out with them,
you know, I mean cool.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
But not as cool as that.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
I'm like, I don't care about it, Like it's cool,
and I'm like, wow, how do I end up here?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
But that's never the reason you do it? And I
stopped it.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
If people weren't getting impacted by the story, I'm not
doing my job right. So it's you know that one
hundred percent, it's always those stories that just oh that's why, why.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
Why, that's the why you do it? Okay, so we
need to ask how did you end up hanging out
with Megan and Harry.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
So we actually nearly missed this entire opportunity. We were
getting this this email.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
I do a lot of speaking, and I got this
email from this woman who sits us from Wellington being like, hey,
can you come down and speak at this conference? And
at the time I was like, I'm really busy, Like
I just she was like, give me a call when
you can. We played phone tag for like two weeks
and eventually I was like, oh, I need to answer
the lady from Wellington, And so I answered the phone
and she goes, I don't actually want you to speak
in an event. I'm a Royal Advisor and Prince Harry
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Meghan are coming to New Zealand and they want to
have coffee with you.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
And I was like oh. And so afterwards there emails.
The first time I think she just wanted like to know.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
I was legit right and I wasn't just going to
jump on it for that reason. And then her like
the signature afterwards added Royal Advisor, and I was like,
you told me that in the first place.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
So you meet them for like your coffee?
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
So we went down to Wellington, we meet them for coffee,
and I remember sitting there being like.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
What do we do you bow do you say you're
like wood?
Speaker 7 (24:25):
And then came in and they just kind of like
shook our hands, sit down, and like afterwards were hugging us,
and I was like, I feel like we weren't supposed
to do that, and you're also not supposed to like
like take photos properly with them, but we did that,
which I'm so glad that we did. But yeah, they
were so nice. And then wait, I don't know, this
is really funny. We were doing interviews afterwards and one
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of the reporters was.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Asking us how was that?
Speaker 7 (24:49):
It was a good and gin So we're having coffee
and then there was like slices and stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
On there and she was like, the ginger Crunch was
really good.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
The reporter thought that she was talking about Prince Harry.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
So he got the nickname the Ginger Crunch from Crossing. YEA, yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Mean that shows that they are, you know, I'm sure
they're just real people, you know, like, yes, they have
again they have a thing that their jobs where the
actors or oral family has put them on a real
public profile.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I think it's really funny though, because we even then.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
I don't know if you know this, but me and
Jing got an award from Her Majesty, the Queen compel us.
We were supposed to bucking so we did some stuff
with obviously with Harry and Meghan, and then we went
and met with the Royal Foundation, which is the people
that they were doing stuff with.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
But yeah, the award from the Queen.
Speaker 7 (25:36):
We were supposed to go and receive it in Buckingham,
but it was in COVID so we couldn't. So I
arrived at our house in the post cracked and this
like it was so bad and.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I was like, this is from palace and it's like
in this little but it's got a little Queenie's signature
on it. Ri ip.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
But what was it? It was an.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
Award for our service to mental health as well in
the Commonwealth.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, do you want each? Just wonder shire one each?
That's good, that's good. It is a great time.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
You've done a lot of reality TV. What was harder
learning dancing steps and dancing with the stars or going
without much food on Celebrity Treasure.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Celebrity Treasure Island. Really, oh my gosh, learning dance steps
through the day and not.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
I mean Dancing with the Stars was rough, like that's
eleven hour like eleven hour days, eleven weeks, like you
don't have a single day because we were in rehearsals before.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Anything was an hours and so it was crazy TikTok
TikTok Dancing the Stars and it was live as well,
which was scary show that TikTok Dancing the Stars. Just
put it up, who gets the most views over a week?
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Great idea, dance, don't I see it? I was like,
please dig up, don't you go on that You've tried
to teach something does stay in my brain though dancing
obviously it does with you, you know you can learn.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Steps managed to do it Treasure Island.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
First of all, I'm like, there's so many reasons that
I could.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I was just terrible.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
I had just had COVID as well, like I was
pushed out a day from going because I had COVID.
And then I'm asmadicic, I'm disleksick, I'm adhd. My hand
was broken, and so trying to do anything was was
so hard. But I think, yeah, living on rice and
beans and I've got i'm allergic to seafood and so
like people were trying to catch fish and I was like, well,
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I can't you know.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Eat any of that.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
And then you're doing these big endurance challenges and yeah,
it's like it's crazy. You get like we got emergency
evacuated one night, and it's just you just cry every day.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I feel like for.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
TV, they would go and stop recording and then be like,
all right, guys, great, shoot, let's go to the Airbnb
the hotel. Nah, but it's like it's legit. You guys
are in there.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
You don't have pillows.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
I think that was the big thing, like you had
and I was just like, no, no, you weren't allowed.
So you had to like roll up sweatshirts and like
just try to use that.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
And you're allowed to bring like a pillow case and
stuff it with clothes.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
So that's what some people did. I didn't know this information,
and so I'm going to out myself here. When we
got emergency evacuated and we went to the hotels, I
took the hotel.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I was like, I'm so sorry, I will pay the
hotel back. They have so many of them because some
people did that. But yeah, you just kind of had
to like roll.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Up like cloth.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Yeah, and then just kind of use it as the case. Yeah,
school camp, they give you a list of going on.
These are all the things you kind of yes, but I.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
Got so much stuff taken off me because they bagsart
you as if you were like coming into a new
country and you've got all the illegal stuff. So like
I had, like baby wipes got taken off me because
they could be used as toilet paper.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Use toilet paper. I was like, this is all.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
Like no mirrors, but they us have makeup, so you
could do your makeup without any mirrors, which was I
just was like this, maybe you could like smash the
mirror something well a year or like maybe the mirror
would start a fire if you know. And where we
were and Wonnaca like it's quite dry land, but he was.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
I think slippertish Ryland was the hardest thing I had
done you ever done, Absolutely like it was wild.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Would I do it again?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Probably probably, because that's I love that. I think it's fun,
but it definitely takes it.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Before we go, I want to fire at you some
quick fire questions to find out if I really want
to be like you.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
This game is.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Called this or that?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Okay, ready, TikTok or Instagram TikTok Harry Styles or Harry Potter,
Harry Styles, okay, Jandles or Crocs, Crocs, Minecraft or Fortnite.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I haven't played either.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Prime Energy or Frank Green Drink Bottle.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
Frank Green everyone I love Frank Emotion or support Watery.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Kindle or a real book, real book, Netflix or Snapchat, Netflix,
air pods or a zero point five photo.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Zero point five is the new Well, it's probably not
feel like I've just gone on to it. It's very
cool high angle stuff.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Yeah, but I have my Aarpod Maxes, which I love
like those of different. Yeah, it is a different Okay,
I'm gonna get in that case, I'm going to do
zero point five.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
But also, all right, sleep in or stay up late,
sleep Barby movie or Fast and Furious. Prince Harry or
Prince William. They're probably not going to hear that.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
You know. She don't think anyone is going to do
the chocolate thing either. We don't want another how about
we don't know answer that one. We don't want to
cause another incidence incident.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
It's the final Johnno will be in.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Oh you can't want that there, Yes, thank you so
much for what you did.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
I definitely want to be like you because you have
so many people. What you do now literally saves lives.
Thank you for doing your story and giving people hope.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Oh, thank you so much. Thanks for having me. How
cool is Jazz?
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Do you see why I want to be like her?
Speaker 3 (30:41):
She is cool? But also she chose you over me?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Right?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah? Now really inspiring us. So much great advice from Jazz.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
And I actually found really interesting in her answer about
how she choose to help people over anything that she's
achieved personally is yehally awesome.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
It shows a sort of person she is.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
Yeah, you know, so settled, you want to grow up
and you want to be Jesse Thornton.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Right, Well maybe, but there's plenty of other inspiring.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
People who I could be like, Oh, so we're doing
this again, aren't we?
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Yeah, don't forget.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
To like and subscribe or you'll miss out.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
And who the nixt inspiring person could be
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