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May 21, 2025 66 mins

On this episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross Douthat interviews Vice President JD Vance about the Trump administration’s deportations, the tariff backlash and how Vance’s faith influences his politics.

  • 01:49 - How faith shapes JD Vance’s politics
  • 04:26 - ‘Papal interventions in politics’
  • 14:44 - How will the Trump administration measure success on immigration?
  • 21:22 - ‘The courts are trying to overturn the will of the American people’
  • 23:55 - Are migrants really at war against the US?
  • 28:48 - The parallels between the War on Terror and Trump's deportation policies
  • 40:29 - What does a successful trade policy look like?
  • 48:10 - The "big, beautiful bill"
  • 58:57 - Does the Trump administration expect the AI revolution will take jobs?
  • 54:05 - What worries Vance about AI
  • 58:33 - JD Vance's message to shocked Trump voters

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.) 

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