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July 9, 2025 21 mins

For months, President Trump and Attorney General Pam Bondi suggested that they would expose the hidden, potentially sinister truth about Jeffrey Epstein’s death in 2019.

But over the past few days, the Trump administrationWhite House decided to shut down has poured cold water on the conspiracy theories surrounding the financier.

Glenn Thrush, who covers the Justice Department for The Times, explains what happened.

Guest: Glenn Thrush, who reports on the Justice Department for The New York Times.

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