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October 20, 2025 30 mins

Tariffs are at their highest rate in nearly a century, and the labor market is weakening. These are volatile times for the U.S. economy — but the stock market keeps going up.

Joe Rennison, a reporter covering financial markets for The New York Times, explains what is going on.

Guest: Joe Rennison, a financial reporter for The New York Times.

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