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November 11, 2025 34 mins

This week on A Woman’s Heart, Lisa talks with Donna Barber, author of Enough for Today: 40 Reflections for Surviving the Wilderness. Donna is a contemplative writer, preacher, educator, and co-founder of The Voices Project, where she mentors and promotes leaders of color. Together, Lisa and Donna explore what it means to walk through the wilderness seasons of life—those times of uncertainty, waiting, and transformation—and how God meets us there with daily grace and purpose.

Donna shares wisdom and reflection on what the wilderness teaches us about God and ourselves:

  • “We don’t like not knowing where we’re going to end up.”
  • “[God] cares for us enough to not allow us to stay the same.”
  • “The wilderness is a place where God calls us into His office sometimes.”
  • “We’re never giving God new information.”
  • “I suspect that God doesn’t tell us or ask us to do things until He knows that we are ready to say yes.”

They also talk about remembering our first love—when we first met God—and letting go of the “fig leaves of busyness” that keep us from the deep relationship He desires with us.

If you’re walking through a season of waiting or uncertainty, this conversation will remind you that you are not alone and that God’s presence is enough for today.

👉 Learn more about Donna and her work at donnambarber.com

👉Connect with Lisa: www.lisagranger.com

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