June 29, 2023 • 57 mins
In this episode, Wade talks about driver sights and the common models that we sell. Then Wade runs down in detail how to make the perfect sight tape for BlackGold, Axcel, Spot Hogg, and HHA sights.
Wade sprinkles in helpful tips for getting your sight tape right and he dives into why you might want a driver-style type sight.
Here's the ruler tool that Wade talks about using to mark.
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Welcome to Archery Country Podcast. Welcome back, everybody, to Archery Country Podcast. Is your host, Wade as. I'm flying solo today, coming to you to explore the world of site tapes and why maybe this should be explored, why we should take site tapes to the next level to build your perfect site tape. Now, I, uh, unfortunately don't have anybody to share this knowledge with except for you, the listeners. And I feel like I got a pretty gosh dang good grasp on it. I have shot every single site that I'm going to talk about in the last three or four years on different bows, hunting bows, target bows, every bow. Um, there's also I'm going to talk about some apps that are out there that you can use. But for the main flavor of this podcast, we're going to talk about hunting sites and how to make a perfect sight tape. And the reason that I think more and more people need to explore this and listen to this podcast is because the day and age of being off two or three yards is not acceptable unless you're shooting 315 plus feet per second. And if you are that kind of archer, you can get away with a lot of things. You may have given up some forgiveness on your bow to shoot that fast or your aero build, but believe you me, you can get away with three or four extra yards. Now, for most of us that shoot in that 280 to 295 range at 50 plus yards, two or three yards is not going to be a grace that you're given. You cannot be off, and a good range finder is going to help. But to get there, you need to have the sight tape that's going to give you confidence. Now, like many of us in the shop, also many of us that are setting up your bows and helping you guys out 50 yards in the whitetail woods, that's an extremely far shot. Most of us are going to have a pin for that. I like both categories. I like fixed pin sites and I like adjustable single pin, two pin, three pin on a vertical plane. And when I say that, like Spot Hog Triple Stack or Black Gold's Dual Track, there are multiple pins on a single post, so my clarity is there. The contrast between what I'm aiming at and what I'm aiming with is clear. There's no clutter effect. Now, like our, uh, ascent verdict assault, we have four pins that come directly in from the side. If you're a right handed shooter, they're going to come from the right and go left. If you're a left handed shooter, they're going from left to right in the scope housing. We also are going to explore HHA, the Tetra and the Tetra Rise dual pin, a four pin, or a single pin setup on how we adjust that. The triple stack from Spot Hog along with the Fast Eddie double pin. Fast Eddie excel. And Fast Eddie is the base that they're profiled on, but their scope, housing and how we're going to cite those in. And also, uh, we're going to talk about Excel like the landslide and the AccuTouch sites that are married together. Now, Black Gold and Excel, when we say vertical plane facing site tape, it's going to be a strip that runs vertically up and down, starts usually at 20. It's going to go out to 100. And on Spot, Hog and HHA, we have what we call a wraparound sight tape that'll actually go on the driver wheel. So some differences, there some different ways to sight it in. But we're here for you. So sit back and relax as we kind of explore how to build the perfect sight tape. All right, let's start out with Black Gold because it is the simplest one to do. And here's why they come in the package. Rather, you buy an ascent. Verdict assault. Four pin. Or the brand new dual track from Black Gold that came out last year. Or a Mountain Light three pin or even a whitetail single pin. They're all driver sites. Everything today is a driver site. It doesn't matter how many pins it has. We have the capability of moving the whole housing from a base starting point down further in our site column. Black Gold at a pro shop. What we can do is we will set up your site. We will put it on your bow. We will do the first access, the second access, the third access. Then we will go to our chronograph. We'll shoot your bow with your arrow, with the strings, with the monkey tails, the nose button, the D loop, whatever it is that you have on your bow. We'll shoot it through the chronograph three times. We get an average. From that average, we'll go to the sight tape and we will pick up. Now, uh, that's going to start 244ft/second, and it's going to go all the way up into about 315. I have the site tape in front of me here. I'll open the package and tell you. But it's very uncommon for us to max out the site tape. But it is pretty common for us to use the lower number. Of course, if I can get it out the fastest, the site tapes will go on. Black Gold is going to be 313.5. Correction, uh, 324ft/second. Five years of working at Archery Country, I have yet to put a 324 foot per second sight tape on. Now, just because we shoot it through the chronograph and we put a sight tape on there doesn't mean and it may be May when we do that, or December, or last fall, or might be August, that doesn't mean that is your home site tape. That is a really good start. Now, it may differ from pro shop to pro shop that you go around, but at Archery Country, we'll explain that to you. There is a thing called string stretch ever so slightly. Also you're going to have elevation changes. You're going to have what we talk about break in periods on things, but within a couple of feet per second, that's going to be your home base. So what I do when we put on a black gold site tape is we'll raise the housing all the way up to our home base, which is 20 yards. Most of the black gold sites nowadays have two indicator needles on, um, the multi pin system. So like the ascent verdict, assault. There's a four pin set up there's 2030, 40 and 50. The top indicator is going to be your top pin. Your bottom indicator is going to be your bottom pin. So at home base, it is 20 and it is 50. Now, wherever I drive that housing with my driver's site, the indicator needles are pointing at a yardage. The cool thing on how that works mathematically is at home base it's 20 and 50. But that does not mean when you bring your top pin down to 60, that your bottom pin is going to be all the way down to 100. The sight tape grows as we go out at further distances because of gravitational pull, because of other forces and drag that are making your arrow slow down at further distances. Now, it is a proven fact, and many of us have experienced this before, is our bow shoots 285ft/second and we put on a 285 or 284.5 foot per second sight tape. 20, it's on 30, it's on 40. Pretty good 50. All of a sudden, I'm having to run my I had to shoot like 51, 51 and a half. At 60, I got to run like 62. That is perfectly normal. With a lighter arrow setup, you're going to lose your feet per second faster than you are with a moderate or a heavy arrow setup. So that's why there's 54 sight tapes in that package. You can just take a Sharpie, uh, or a very fine tipped pen. When you're shooting your 60 yards or your 70 yards, make a mark, make sure that you're sighted in there, hold up another sight tape with your 20 matching, and then your new marks at 60 or 70. And that's your new sight tape. That's how simple black Gold makes it. I love those guys in that company for what they do because of feet per second. Now, switching to that, let's talk about the other vertical plane for your site tape, and that's Excel. Excel makes some of the most incredible high tolerance sites on the market in, uh, the hunting world. We're talking about the landslide and also the AccuTouch, which, like it or not, accutu is going to be fading away. Landslide is you might as well just get it because it's the best of the best on that. They also have a fixed pin site. But today we're not talking about fix pins, the landslide. They give you a plethora of sight tapes for sticky, but they also created metal sight tapes that will not wash away. They're super easy to read. It's a black site tape with white gravings engraving. Sorry. So I think it's actually lasered on there. And they're different numbers. Now, in the package that you buy with Excel, they don't give you all 40 site tapes. They only give you the most common. And the cool thing about them is they're double faced on the metal site tapes. I still run a sticky tape usually, unless I can find that perfect mix. But what you're going to do with Excel is it's going to come with a blank site tape. If you have a multi pin set up on this, we're strictly going to just use your top pin pin for your sight tape. Even though you may have a three pin and you're using your bottom pin as your further distances. Trust me on this. Just use your top pin for the site tape sight in. It's super easy to do this because your top pin is going to be 20 and we need a home base. So drive your site all the way up to where you're at and where it stops sight in at 20 yards. Make a mark. A lot of people ask, well, how do I make marks? Because if I take my pen, I hold my bow and I'm awkward and I kind of look like I'm trying, um, to play a violin and making sight tape marks. This is what I do. I went to Home Depot, and, uh, it's actually from my grandpa, his idea back in the day. I wouldn't call him a nerd with a pocket protector, but he had a little itty, itty bitty. I don't even know if it's considered an architectural ruler, but it's about six inches long, fits in your pocket, has a little pocket clip. That's the easiest thing. I can put it in my hip quiver. I can put it in my pocket. And when I'm out there, I'll hold that with my indicator needle as level as I can. And I always use a pretty sharp pencil. Uh, the pen seems to bleed a little bit, and it creates a pretty fat line. So when I'm making my, say, tapes, I do it with a pencil. Now, yes, you can smudge it or erase it, but I'm also actually kind of engraving that I'm pushing pretty hard. But I'll put that little pocket protector ruler. I wish I really knew what it was called. I'm super sorry. I'll send a picture to Desiree so that it's in the, uh, comments below or tagged on this. But I hold that ruler there and I make my 20 yard line just a quick. There's my line. And it's actually dented into the sight tape because it's soft. And there's my 20 mark. Now, I'm not just going to run back to 60 yards and get a chance of losing some arrows. I take my 365 Trio, like my 36. It really works with for longer distance in case I do flub up a little bit. But I'm going to go back to 30 and moving my sight tape to where I'm hitting the general area. I don't really care if I'm accurate at 30, but I need to get further distances. Mathematically speaking, this is where I'm going with this. Working my way back. 40. I get to 50. For some reason. I really, really like the number 60 for my hunting bows, because it seems to help further that. And it's a yardage, and I'm not bragging or nothing, but I feel like I'm a pretty good shooter. I feel very confident that I can hold less than a four inch group at 60 yards. And some days are better than others. But I, uh, really strongly think 60 is a really good yardage for me. Find your happy medium. If 50 is your max for comfort, shoot 50. If you can shoot 80 and, you know, like, there's no wind and Mother Nature has provided us with less humidity and everything's flying good, well then shoot 80. But, uh, I just checked those later. So I work back to 60. And this is where I camp out. All of this is done after my bow is tuned and my arrows are selected and everything's good. I camp out at 60. And, uh I shoot. And I shoot. And I might be clicking click, click. And I'm doing the same thing with my black Gold just to verify this. But we're talking Excel right now. 60, 60. Then I will feel confident after probably like six or seven ends of five or eight arrows. So let's just say 30 to 50 arrows. At 60. I feel really good that that's where my sight tape needs to be set at 60. Then I will make my mark. Now I am not done. I put my bow away. The next day, I'll take a few shots up at 20 just to make sure I'm good. And I go right back to 60. Or the next time I'm going to shoot. And I camp out at 60 for 20, 30, 40 arrows until I can honestly say that is my 60 yard mark. Then I will take. And I have my pencil. If I had to change it a little bit, I can erase or I can make a new line, whatever it may be. Then I will take. I'll drive to any of your hardware stores, True Value, your Home Depots, your Menards, wherever you want to go. You can order this on Amazon. It is a micro caliper for measuring like, widths of pipe, or if you needed a width of a bolt, or whatever it's measured. And I like the digital aspect of it because I can lock it. Um, there are ones that look like the old school clock. I don't know the wording for that, but I like the digital ones. It cost maybe $20. Really nice ones are in the hundreds, but you can use this for a lot of things, especially if you're handy with stuff. I will take my sight off of my bow. You don't have to do this, but it's easier for me to work with it. I'll lay it on my bench and I will set my top of my caliper at 20. And I'll work down to that 60 yard mark, adjusting that little turret so the jaws open up. And then, uh, when I get to the 60, i, A, have a digital readout, and B, I can push lock, or you can turn lock on knob on some of the calipers. Now, I will go over to my sight tapes. Rather, it be the metal ones. Or I can go to the one of the 40, and I will hold that caliper up. And you can even get a magnifying glass or some cheap readers from the gas station, like a one power, so that you can see exactly where the two for 20 and the six line up. There's my sight tape. I'm not trying to just fudge numbers. I actually know that's the correct spacing. Then I'll take the sticky part off or the metal. I'll put that back on. Now, when you put this back on, bring your sight up to 20, or leave it at 60 and lock it, and then put your site tape to where they line up. I like to go to 20 because that's my home, and usually you can't go up any more than that. Now, on Black, Gold and Excel, you can move your indicators. So if your site tape doesn't fit perfect where it is, or if you messed up a little bit, just move your indicator so that it's at 20, and then move your other one. Wherever your bottom pin is going to be, that's very important that you just listen to that. Your top pin is going to be at 20 home base. Your second indicator is where your bottom pin is. So on the ascent verdict, assault 2030, 40 50. I put my Seneca indicator at 50 on a three pin mountain light. My bottom pin is 20 30, 40. It's at 40. On, um, the triple stack, 2030 40. You actually have three indicators, so you'll set those. That's where your bottom pin is going to be. If you have a single pin, put it back at 20 and you're good to go. If you only have one indicator, let's say you buy the line slide and it only has one indicator, not two, or you took one off for some reason, that indicator, your site is up at 20. The indicator goes to where your bottom pin is. If you have a single indicator, this may be where people get confused. I wish I could show you pictures right now, but the whole site moves. You're just worried about where your bottom pin is because you know, home base is 20. Now, I will go back and cite in my 30 yard pin with home base at 20. Now I'll cite in my 40 yard pin, home base at 20. So I'm moving my individual pins, not the housing. So if you're with me on that, you're good. Okay, so that's your vertical site tape placards or forward facing site tapes. Now, when we go over to HHA and we go over to Spot Hog, this is the wraparound, the big dial, the wraparound site tape profile. They make it pretty dang easy for you to do this. And I'll explain the differences here in just a second. So what we're going to do with I have two sites here in front of me. I have a HHA four pin. It's a Tetra tournament, four pin. I have a spot hog triple stack. And we're going to pretend that I also have just a single pin, HHA, because this is pretty important. Remember back earlier in the podcast, I told you we're going to use our top pin for our sight tape findings. Even though you have three other pins or two other pins on the triple stack, we're going to use our top pin strictly for finding our site tape. So we put on the triple stack. We got our 1st, 2nd, 3rd access. All done. What we're going to do is move the we're going to go over to 20 yards. I really like to have my sight tape on Spot Hog. I really like to have my sight all the way to kind of where it kind of maxes out top so that I have max yardage. Um, the cool thing about Spot Hog is they have what we call a rack stop. So I try to leave just a little bit of room, especially for the faster bows. I like to leave a little bit of room where the rack stop will still connect to that big, huge bar with teeth. And this is pretty important because that's where I can always go back to my home. So let's say I go over the range at 20 yards and I'm shooting and I'm still really high. I need to move the dial so that my site scope housing goes higher. Well, instead of using my dial because I have my rack stop on, there's one, two, three different ways that I can move that housing up on Spot Hog. There is a couple different ways on the HHA. Um, actually the HHA, we're going to set it up. You can move the housing without moving the dial. So find your home on HHA. You can actually turn this thing all the way till it stops. That's where I want my 20. So my dial is all the way up on, uh, the Spot Hog. My dial is all the way up to where the rack stops at 20 yards. I like to have my pin on the upper half. Not all the way to the third, but the upper half. And on the triple stack, I like to have it maxed out all the way up for the pin. Now, if I'm shooting at 20 yards and I need to move my housing up or down, I do that so that I can kind of go wherever I need to and I'll fine tune if it's just a sliver. If I'm low at 20 and I need to go back down just um, like a 16th of an inch or not even that, then I will move my pin. But I'll get my home as close to home as I can get at 20 yards. All right, hopefully I didn't lose you guys on that. So m now I have 20 yards. I can drill attack at 29 times out of ten. Super confident with it. On both of these sites, there is what we call the setup site tape. It's going to start at zero or set up zero homemark. Your top indicator is where that sticker needs to start. So on the HHA, it's a setup tape. It's black and red. It's a white tape with black and red markings. My indicator is pointing at zero and I'm sighted in at 20. Now, don't get lost. Okay? It's at zero. I'm using my top pin only. Work my way back to 30, make sure I'm hitting target. Work my way back to 40. Work my way back to 50. Work my way back to 60. On my target the whole time, I'm moving the dial down. So I started at zero. At 30, it may end up being at like six. At, ah, 40, it may be 17. At, uh, 50, it may be 25. And at 60, my top pin is probably, let's just say, uh, for example, it's, uh, at 40. I've moved my housing at 60 yards to where, on my setup tape, my indicator points at 40. Again, shot 40 arrows at 60 that day. I got a pretty good idea. Take a picture with my phone, boom. Go into edit that picture. I'll go to the marker and I'll write on there 60 yards. I save that picture in my photo album and I have it day two, day four, day seven, whatever the next day is that you can get out and shoot, maybe take a couple of warm up shots at 20. But, uh, I'm going to go right back to 60 yards. That being said, another 20 to 40 arrows at 60 until I know, yes, this is absolutely perfect. There are some listeners out there that may be like, well, what happens if I'm low at 60? Drive your housing down. Always follow your arrows. If you're low at 60, go M down. If you're high at 60, move your site housing up. Make your pin, chase your arrows left and right. I hope that you guys understand that you take care of that usually at 20. And that's why I've repeatedly said your 1st, second and your third access. Your second very important for this because if you're sighting in at 20 and all of sudden A at 60, you're four inches to the left. Probably if you haven't done a walk back tune, might look that area. But your second access might be off to where your site is moving right or left the further you go out. That's why it's very important if you don't have the tools or the levels to do it, you can come in, pay a small fee and we'll do your 1st, 2nd, 3rd access. Unless if you bought the stuff from us, which I hope you have, we'll do it for free. And you can always check this because some stuff happens. Sometimes things get bumped. Um, takes us probably five to ten minutes on busy day. So no worries on that. Back to it. So now I have my 60 yard mark. My indicator needle is pointing at number 40 in my HHA booklet of sight tapes. They are numbered one through whatever it may be, 100. I look and I find sight tape number 40. I have site tape number 40. I cut it out. I lay it on a nice little work area that's clean. I'm going to take my scope, my sight and my scope. I'm going to take and loosen the brake. I'm going to drive this all the way back up to my setup zero, my home base maxed all the way up. I'm going to take a fine tuned or super small knife or whatever I need to do to get the site tape off the setup tape off. Well, I've locked my sight, so my indicator needle is at 20 yards. I take my new site tape number 40 and I'll start the number 20 yard mark exactly where that indicator needle is. And I'll neatly place that sight tape and wrap it around that drive wheel all the way down and then finish it off. Now I know, excuse me, that, uh, I just messed up. Instead of starting it at 20, I'm going to start the site tape. I need to go back and edit this because I just messed up big time. I need to set my sight tape on the HHA tetra on this four pin, 2030, 40, 50. I need to start it at 50 because I'm going to cite in my other pins at that yardage my 20. I'm at 20, yes. But that sight tape is going to start at 50 because my bottom pin is 50 yards. You with me on that? I'll repeat it again. So on this four pin, I have 2030 40, 50 on, um, the home base. My top pin right now is at 20 yards. If I shot my bow in the yardage at 20, it's hitting. I'm going to start my sight tape at 50 for the bottom pin because I already have fixed pins to get me to 50. Then when I turn my housing, rather be to 55 or 60, 67, 72, I'm using my bottom pin on the spot hog. Actually, we'll go back to HHA. Let's say I have a single pin. That is where I will start the site tape at 20 yards because I only have one pin all the time. No matter where I move the housing, it's going to be pointing at the yardage that I choose or wherever I stop it at. So on a single pin, you start the site tape at 20. On a multi pin, whatever your bottom pin yardage is, that's where you start your site tape. Hopefully I didn't lose everybody on that. You can call me or email me if I did. Now, the triple stack, they have three indicators that is going to be I'm going to start my top pin, top indicator, top pin at 20. Then I'm going to put my sight tape and roll it around nice and clean on there. And then I move my indicators to whatever my second pin is. I like to go in increments of ten on the triple stack, I can micro adjust my pins up and down. So I'll set my top pin at 20, my second pin at 30, and my bottom pin at 40 on, uh, my indicators, they're little purple indicators. I set my top indicator at 20. I'll set my second indicator to match my second pin at 30, and I'll match my fourth pin, fourth indicator at 43rd pin, 4th 3rd indicator, 40 yards. Let's say you get a spot hog, double pin, two indicators, 20 and whatever. You set your second pin at 30. I just like to go on that. Some guys can get away with like a 35 or a 40 yard pin. By all means, you're covering more yardage with just two pins. Why not do it black gold? We'll go back to it. They have a dual track, which is probably next to the Ascent verdict assault one of our number one sellers. Because you instantaneously have a 20 yard pin and a 35 or 20 and a 40, it's very rare that we can have you have to be shooting some pretty good poundage and a moderate to light arrow setup to get 20 and 40 on their spacing. But you can micro adjust that pin and have it wherever you want. All right, now you can if you would like to. We've had some guys that say, well, you know, I'm always off yard or two at my further distances with this 20 and 60 yard wrap up tape. I understand that you can take your setup tape, work your way back to 60. You have the mark on, um, HHA. They have a really fine point indicator needle, so you can really figure out where it is. But I always do this. Take a. Picture with my phone and exactly where the 60 yard mark is on that tape. I'll take a picture with my phone and then I can blow it up. That's my magnifying glass. I'll take the sight tape off the setup site tape. I'll take it off of the wheel drive wheel and I'll lay it on and I'll stick it right down to my workbench, go grab my caliper out of my case, which is in my toolbox. Then I'll measure that 20 yard home, which is zero, and my 60 yard home, which on the HHA was 40, but it might be ever so slightly wherever my mark ends up being 41 or 41 and a half or 42, and those are just numbers. But then I'll lock my caliper. Now, the sight tapes that come from HHA and Spot Hog are on a flat surface already, they're not on a dial. And then I can match it up even though it gives me a reference. It says, yep, you should use sight tape 40. I'm going to make dang sure that that site tape and that caliper match up wherever it's going to be. Whether it be 41 or 42 or 38 or 39, 40 might be perfect. Same thing with Spot Hog, if you want to be precise. Again, find your happy medium for your furthest yardage. Wherever you're comfortable, wherever you think you can hold your best group at the furthest distance. If it's 40 40, so be it. Now, a lot of people are going to say, well, I don't need a site tape goes 100 yards because I'm never going to shoot over 40. That's okay, you're probably not buying a driver's sight unless you just want to be the cool kid on the block. But it's fun and it's also very challenging and it makes you a better archer if you can at least practice further, further than what your pins may be. Single pin sites were a huge fad eight years ago because it created less clutter. You could see your animal, your desired target. A lot of target archers use a single pin set up in the 3D world or a dot. So it's only one site point reference. It's only one pin reference. You don't have to worry about multiple. But in a hunting world, things can happen so fast that, uh, I've been caught before. I have a single pin sight, and yeah, I did the magical trick and I set it at 30, because at 20 I'm only an inch and a half high, and at 40, I'm two inches low. Whitetail, accurate, I guess you could say. But still, a single pin, you may get stuck, you may be, maybe not. Turkey hunters usually can get away with single pin because you're trying to get them in for your thick timber. I have a 20 yard food plot or wherever I'm hunting, and that's where it is. You're probably okay, but if you get an opportunity where you're hunting a field edge and you need more than one pin simultaneously, that's where you're going to have a dual pin or a triple stack, or a four pin, uh, or just a fixed pin, whatever it may be. But again, talking about sight tape. So why would you have sight tape on a fixed pin, you know what I mean? So that being said, we talked about the caliper. Now we're kind of talking about why I would shoot a driver site for that simplicity that we just talked about. Um, we've talked about it on numerous podcasts or we talk about it every sales pitch. And we're talking about sites and why we use what we use. Having that capability to know like a four pin setup or a, uh, five pin set up on a driver's site, if you go that many. I have 2030, 40, 50 on our four pins. You got 2030, 40, 50 on a triple stack. You have 20, 30, 40. On a dual pin, you have 20 and 35, or 20 and 40. So, instant gratification on wherever I need my yardage. All of these have very good braking systems. Uh, Black Gold has a little bitty lever right in front of the site tape indicator that will lock it. HHA is on the side of the site wheel, the driver wheel, you can lock it. Spot Hog is on the bottom of the wheel, bottom of the mechanism where you can lock it. I like to, when I get set in a tree stand, if you're going to lock it, that's just one more move. But when I get up there, it's like, okay, so I get up in the tree stand, hang my bow, I take my quiver off, hang my quiver, I get the arrow, kiss the broadhead for good luck, knock that arrow. Everything is prestige. I have my home, wherever my home is. And I'll reach up and I'll unlock that brake so that I can move my site tape freely, the wheel, anytime that I need to. Uh, very rarely do I have it locked, but you can lock it if you need to. So, again, we're just talking about a different couple of different site setups that you have. And there are so many options. You can customize them, you can get smaller pins, you can get pin colors. The last three or four years, there's site companies out there, the supply and demand issues, they've actually gone away from customizing. You can order them, but now they've opened the channels back up to where we can, um, pin coloration. That's another big thing that comes up. Spothog, they give you like, if you open up the triple stack site, uh, they're going to be green, yellow, green. Uh, HHA, they have green, red, green, red, green, uh, and red on that black Gold, they change up their colors on their dual track is going to be green and red. Right out of the box. You can micro adjust the second pin up or down on the triple stack. You can micro adjust each individual pin up or down. Um, HHA, it's not a micro adjust, but you can move the pins up or down ever so slightly. Um, and then you can also do pin size like the Ascent Verdict Assault. The one that we made that's kind of like the pro shop one. The bottom pin is 10,000, um, and that's green because the further you are away, you want a smaller pin profile to not cover up your axe or your deer or turkey or whatever it may be. And again, you can customize those. Black Gold is one of the simplest. Unless you have a pro site that has micro adjustable pins that we have to send a black gold or we have to order you a custom. But if it's just the standard ascent Verdict Assault, uh, we can change the pins for you. So you could have all green. You can have green, red, green, red. You can have green if you like. It seems to be in the world of archery, yellow is a site, um, it's a color for the fiber optic that most archers have the hardest time seeing. Uh, it fades a little bit. I can shoot a yellow pin, but I don't like to. I customize my sights. Usually they're all green and I know a lot of people are like, well, my gosh, you're going to not be able to figure out when you're in the heat of the moment and there's an animal and you need to go to the 40 yard pin. It's one of the green pins. Well, I've been doing it long enough that I can go 2030, 40, 50. It's just boom, it's right there in my mind. Now, one site that we have not talked about and I left it for the end of. This is our new option archery canyon Pounder. This is a site that is completely different than any of the four or five sites that I've talked about in the last 38 minutes. The Canyon Pounder, mr. Dan Evans uh, option archery has been around for a while. They used to have a big oval kind of look like a football field stadium or a hockey rank oval. They've gone away from that and they went back to a circular on the Canyon Pounder. This is a multi pin, single pin driver site because the hood opens up 90 degrees right or left handed, whatever it may be. So you can instantly have a single pin or you can close the hood and have a five pin. You can customize it to a three pin if you wanted, um, four pin if you wanted it's. Wherever you're going to be now, it takes a little bit. You can watch some YouTube videos or talk to us, one at the shop on how you're going to do this site. This is, again, the only site of the whole six that we talked about, where you're going to do things a little bit different. But it is super easy. You're going to get this site. It has five pins when the hood's closed. It has a 20 yard fixed pin, a 30 yard fixed pin. The 40 is the Movable. 50 is fixed. 60 is fixed. So four fixed pins. Then one mover. Now the mover back in the day, the mover moved, but now we're moving the whole housing. So we're going to open up the hood. Your third pin, the mover pin. Again, I hate to say that word, mover pin, because you're not actually moving the pin. It's the housing. The third pin is how we're going to get our site tape. We're going to max that site all the way up to where it's at zero. It's already a setup tape is already installed. The Placard, it's big, it's very vibrant. You can see it very well. And I'm going to sight in that single pin at 20 by moving my housing bracket up or down. Not the flywheel. It's a big turret up on top. It's like, uh, it would be closer to Excel, um, landslide. It's got a turret up on top. It's the only one of these sites where the drive wheel isn't on the side. It's up on top. So it's like a target site. Back to home. I got my 20 and my sight tape indicator. And my sight tape is at zero. I'm only using my single pin sighting in at 20. I'm going to walk back, shoot it at 30, just make sure. And I'm moving my whole housing with that turret just a little bit at 30 to make sure I hit it. Uh, at 40, I'm moving it a little bit. 50, I'm moving it. Now I'm at 50. They give you the option to either go 50 yards or 80 yards. We're home at 50. We feel really comfortable. We're Midwest shooters. If you want 80, I think the further you are, the little bit more accurate your site tape is. But at 50 now, I'm only using my single pin. I haven't closed the housing. I've moved the turret, the indicator needle. I am, um, blasting the center of the target at 50 yards with my single pin. Very confident. My needle is pointing at 30. I'm shooting a pretty fast bow. The number on the site tape is 30. That's not the yardage. That's just the number that it's pointing at. Now I go to my option, archery. I open up the whole booklet, and they give you two site tapes for that number. One site tape is going to be for your single pin. The other side tape is going to be for your bottom pin of your fixed. That's going to be on the right side. If you're a right handed shooter, on the left side of the site is going to be your single pin. Site tape on the right side is going to be your bottom pin of your multi pin. You with me so far? So my bottom pin is going to be my again. Remember, I have 20 for my top pin, 30 for my second. My mover is at 40. My second or uh, 3rd, 4th pin is at 50 and the bottom pin is at 60. So I'm going to have that site tape on the right hand side that's going to start at 60. Now on the single pin side of things, the site tape is going to be a complete sight tape and the indicator is going to start at 20. Now uh, this is where it gets tricky because that's my 40 yard pin and I know that my sight tape is correct. I will move the whole housing down to 40 and I'll go back and I'll sight in my fixed pin for 20. Move it up or down. I'm um, going to cite in my second pin for 30, moving it up or down. This is where the housing is closed. I know because my middle pin is the mover or the single that's already perfect at 40. Then I'm going to go down to my fourth pin. That is 50. And I'm going to go down to my fifth pin and that is 60. And I'm moving those four, the 20, the 30, the 50 and the 60. My sight tape on the right side, I started at 60. My site tape on the left side is 20 through 100. And it's even more than that plus 100. Now, when I'm hunting, if I'm going to use all the fixed pins, that scope is closed. And my sight tape on the left side is at 40 because that's where the pin is. And on the other side, it's at 60. But I know I'm at home. So my top pin is at 20. The Canyon Pounder. Honestly, we're going to send you a QR code or you're going to scan it in the option and you're going to watch the YouTube video that option Archery has put out. Also, if you guys are avid podcasters or YouTubers, dan Evans with Elk Shape, sorry, Dan Evans and Dan Staton, they got together, they have a pretty cool YouTube video about the Canyon pounder. When you're buying the Canyon Pounder from option Archery, you're actually buying two sites in one. Now you say, well that's a lot of money. Yeah, it is. But if you wanted to buy two of phenomenal sites, a single pin and a multi pin, you're going to be into the 700 $800 range. Uh, here you can buy one site does it all. Um, that's a site to definitely look at. If you're in the market. This, uh, time of year, people are getting restrings. They're upgrading their bows. They maybe don't need to upgrade their bow. They're just getting restrings and a new rest. And hey, it's time to get a new site. Now we have something for all of you. Now where does this come into play? Why would I need a new site? Again, not separating, not uh, being biased, not leaving anybody out in the open. There are situations where you want to have a driver. Practice is probably the most common, but also for clutter. I like to be able to have a 60 yard pin but I don't want to have five pins in my site because it's too congested. Some people can get away with it. I just personally can't target background and I may not shoot target as much as I once did, but I still like to have just a reference that's easy for me to see. I like to see what I'm aiming at and not have a bunch of stuff covering it up because the way that it works with your self conscious and your conscious is you can only really educate yourself as good as we may want, we think we are. You can only concentrate on one thing. Is it release, execution? Is it the target or is it the pin? Very few people concentrate on the pin. It's just a stationary object in the way of the target and that's giving me a point of aim reference in especially a hunting situation. I am buried on that tuck of hair or that little bit of fluff, that's an OD mark or just a generalization of that's the second rib back. That's where I want that broad head to hit. The pin just happens to be in the way. Now. 3d course, same thing. I found an arrow that somebody had already put in there and one of my budies has shot a perfect twelve and I'm aiming at that arrow. I'm looking at the arrow, the pin or the dot is just in the way. A ah turkey set up right close. I'm looking at the beard. If he's facing me or above that little buff on the feather or above the top of the leg, I'm just aiming at that spot and the pin gets in the way. The only time that I concentrate on the pin is when I'm shooting indoor archery at 20 yards. Then I concentrate on my dot and it just gets in the way of the target. I'm not actually concentrating on the X, but that's where we shoot a big profile dot or a bigger pin. So there's different ways to look at it. A human, very few humans have the ability to do both. Even if you shoot with both eyes open, it's hard to concentrate and have a crystal clear pin and a crystal clear target. You can get very close but it's hard to do it. I got a podcast coming up with somebody that we're going to talk about aiming a little bit more in detail. That's something that you're going to want to subscribe to this. So you get the notification, ring that bell rather be on YouTube or any of our big home, uh, bases for these podcasts. Because the next podcast, that gentleman that we're going to be talking to, he's going to narrow things down a little bit. So I hope this helped you out on building the perfect site tape at all of our pro shops. We're here to help you and we thoroughly enjoy this. We've done this with two or three bows personally every year for the last, umpteen, 20 plus years. Um, up in Brainerd, those guys are testing immensely. Wait park, there's a plethora of guys there that have done this. Very few of us are shooting a fixed pin site. It may be a fixed pin, but it's also a driver. So we have to make a site tape. Now, contrary to belief, if I did my sight tape in May, am I set and good to go in September? In a roundabout way, if you buy a black gold and nothing changed on your bow, you're pretty set. Spot hog. You're pretty set. HHA, you're pretty set. You're always going to want to check it, especially right before now. Once you've done a site tape one or two times, you get pretty good. It's not very hard to switch it out. If you happen to go out and you're pinwheeling at 20 yards and you get back to 60, 70 yards on practice, let's say I got an analog pond in Douglas, Wyoming, and there may be a shot that I have to take past there. And I sight in at 60 and I know, oh my gosh. Just, um, a little bit low. I got to go to 63 yards to be accurate. No problem. Just go home. Or if you want to do it where you're shooting, if you're at home, go back in your shop and then just make a mark and put a new site tape on where 20 is your home and 63 is your new 60. That's why there's a plethora of site tapes. You can buy spot Hog site tapes. I believe they're 1299. You can buy HHA site tapes that go out further than 100. Um, for there's Tetra models and then there's Optimizer model. You can buy those. They're 1599. You can get a booklet of black gold site tapes from us. They're 1599. Don't quote me on these prices. It's just a generalization excel. We can order those and get them for you. The sticky sides. We also can order the specific metal placard site tape. So if you are on your sticky tape, you're not a 22, you're a 23 or 24. And you didn't get that metal site tape in your package, which they're not going to send all of them. They're going to send about a third of them. We can order that. We do carry some on hand, especially during busy season. But it is something that you're going to want to. And you guys can order this stuff by yourself. But we do offer it here at the pro shop, especially for the sites we're talking about, canyon Pounder. You can get those um, option they do give you. All of these sites come with a site booklet, site tape booklet. So don't feel like you're out in the open. Now, there are some listeners, avid listeners, avid archers that are going to use programs like Archers Advantage. Back in the day here in Rogers, and I think wait, park and Brainer did it as well. We used to have a program on a computer. We could print out site tapes. The companies have gotten so good that they do it for us. So we've gotten away from that. You can download the app Archers Advantage. You can pay for their membership for the year and you can print out site tapes. Archer's Mark, um, I've used that a lot. Again, it's an app where you can make a site tape. It gives you your marks. It's strictly kind of made for the target setup because you're entering the site, um, on the turret and the worm drive, there's different gear ratios and different ways that it moves. So it gets a little bit more complicated. You need to have, like, your site, your peep to pin your peep to arrow your feet per second. You got to have a lot more information if you want to make those precise site tapes. I am here to tell you in as many years as I've been doing this, uh, I have ordered some custom site tapes from like, Gunstar, um, Gunship, gunstar and that. They're just super, super accurate. They're very fine printed and they're nice. But honestly, all of these hunting sites, they come with what you need. You don't need anything more than that. You may be shooting 295ft/second and Black Gold, 295 foot per second sight tape. It works phenomenally out to 50, but my 60, 70, and 80 yards are off. Then I'm just going to go down to a lower sight tape to where those marks are on because my 20 to 50, honestly, if you're off just a quarter yard, half yard, you're okay. You know what I mean? There's not very many archers that can hit a pop, can lid at 50 yards and know the difference between a quarter yard. So what I'm saying is you're getting everything that you need or we can get you extra site tapes for that. So just a little recap sorry, by myself today. Little recap on what we're talking about. Our driver sites from our tree country, the mains that we carry, Black Gold, is going to be our number one. Uh, the ascent verdict, assault, the dual track and the mountain light, three pin. All those sites can be customized. They're super easy. You can actually we'll cite you in at 20 and we can get you a site tape that's going to get you within a five inch dot at 60, 70, 80, yards. Pretty dang confident in that. Again, we also look at the arrow build. Keith and I actually figured this out through trial and error the last couple of years is when we go to our light arrow setup. Sometimes those sight tapes are skewed just a little bit where if you're shooting a moderately heavy, like a 500 to, uh, 550 grain arrow setup, usually those site tapes are pretty smack dab on, um, because, again, you're losing less feet per second. The further you go out with a heavy arrow. You're just shooting a lot slower sight tape with a heavy arrow. So the black gold. We also carry the HHA. We have a four pin. That's called the Tetra tournament. Four pin. Um, super robust, super nice micro adjust on your windage, uh, your elevation. We can do that, too. And then again, spot hog we carry. We can get the single pin. We have a few of them, the double pin. And these are all on a fast Eddie XL base. You can get just the Fast Eddie that's going to be your bracket. That's fixed. It's not a dovetail where you can move it in and out. Uh, the Triple stack is our number one seller from Spot Hog. It's a very robust site. It's a three pin in line. It's not one pin, but it's in one pin plane. So you're looking at one post with three pins on it, more or less. And then the Canyon Pounder, that's new to us this year. It's actually new to everybody this year from Option Archery. That is a site that I'm running on my Matthews this year. I really like it. Uh, for turkey hunting, I set it up to a hat. I just use a single pin. You can have two different lights, so you can light up all your pins or you can light up just your single pin. I, uh, can close the housing and then, boom. I have 2030, 40, 50. And when I'm sitting in the tree stand for whitetails. Not going to say that I've never took a shot over 60 on an animal, but it's very rare that I'm going to have to. And that brings up a good point. Why not just have a fixed pin and then run with it if you're not going to shoot over 60? Because there might be an opportunity. And then also practice. I like to have a couple. I've ran a two pin, the Black Gold dual Track last year. I liked it. I like to have three pins on my Excel Landslide 20, 30, 40. Because if there is an animal that's out at 47 or 52 or 62, i, uh, usually have time to range it 62 and a half. I can reach down and move that. So my bottom indicator, my bottom pin is at 62 and a half. And I have time to do that if they're within 30. Unless you're really, really good. And that deer is deaf and blind. You could get away with some movement and moving. That all there. But why chance it? Have a pin. At least have a dual pin set up. Um, single pin. Guys, not leaving you out, just talking to you. I hope you enjoyed this. I know that it got a little bit congested in the middle there. It might have confused a couple of you, but again, call us, talk to us, stop in the archery shop. Thanks again for listening, guys. I hope you have a great day and we'll see you on, um, the next one. Thank you for listening to Archery Country podcast.
Welcome to Archery Country Podcast. Welcome back, everybody, to Archery Country Podcast. Is your host, Wade as. I'm flying solo today, coming to you to explore the world of site tapes and why maybe this should be explored, why we should take site tapes to the next level to build your perfect site tape. Now, I, uh, unfortunately don't have anybody to share this knowledge with except for you, the listeners. And I feel like I got a pretty gosh dang good grasp on it. I have shot every single site that I'm going to talk about in the last three or four years on different bows, hunting bows, target bows, every bow. Um, there's also I'm going to talk about some apps that are out there that you can use. But for the main flavor of this podcast, we're going to talk about hunting sites and how to make a perfect sight tape. And the reason that I think more and more people need to explore this and listen to this podcast is because the day and age of being off two or three yards is not acceptable unless you're shooting 315 plus feet per second. And if you are that kind of archer, you can get away with a lot of things. You may have given up some forgiveness on your bow to shoot that fast or your aero build, but believe you me, you can get away with three or four extra yards. Now, for most of us that shoot in that 280 to 295 range at 50 plus yards, two or three yards is not going to be a grace that you're given. You cannot be off, and a good range finder is going to help. But to get there, you need to have the sight tape that's going to give you confidence. Now, like many of us in the shop, also many of us that are setting up your bows and helping you guys out 50 yards in the whitetail woods, that's an extremely far shot. Most of us are going to have a pin for that. I like both categories. I like fixed pin sites and I like adjustable single pin, two pin, three pin on a vertical plane. And when I say that, like Spot Hog Triple Stack or Black Gold's Dual Track, there are multiple pins on a single post, so my clarity is there. The contrast between what I'm aiming at and what I'm aiming with is clear. There's no clutter effect. Now, like our, uh, ascent verdict assault, we have four pins that come directly in from the side. If you're a right handed shooter, they're going to come from the right and go left. If you're a left handed shooter, they're going from left to right in the scope housing. We also are going to explore HHA, the Tetra and the Tetra Rise dual pin, a four pin, or a single pin setup on how we adjust that. The triple stack from Spot Hog along with the Fast Eddie double pin. Fast Eddie excel. And Fast Eddie is the base that they're profiled on, but their scope, housing and how we're going to cite those in. And also, uh, we're going to talk about Excel like the landslide and the AccuTouch sites that are married together. Now, Black Gold and Excel, when we say vertical plane facing site tape, it's going to be a strip that runs vertically up and down, starts usually at 20. It's going to go out to 100. And on Spot, Hog and HHA, we have what we call a wraparound sight tape that'll actually go on the driver wheel. So some differences, there some different ways to sight it in. But we're here for you. So sit back and relax as we kind of explore how to build the perfect sight tape. All right, let's start out with Black Gold because it is the simplest one to do. And here's why they come in the package. Rather, you buy an ascent. Verdict assault. Four pin. Or the brand new dual track from Black Gold that came out last year. Or a Mountain Light three pin or even a whitetail single pin. They're all driver sites. Everything today is a driver site. It doesn't matter how many pins it has. We have the capability of moving the whole housing from a base starting point down further in our site column. Black Gold at a pro shop. What we can do is we will set up your site. We will put it on your bow. We will do the first access, the second access, the third access. Then we will go to our chronograph. We'll shoot your bow with your arrow, with the strings, with the monkey tails, the nose button, the D loop, whatever it is that you have on your bow. We'll shoot it through the chronograph three times. We get an average. From that average, we'll go to the sight tape and we will pick up. Now, uh, that's going to start 244ft/second, and it's going to go all the way up into about 315. I have the site tape in front of me here. I'll open the package and tell you. But it's very uncommon for us to max out the site tape. But it is pretty common for us to use the lower number. Of course, if I can get it out the fastest, the site tapes will go on. Black Gold is going to be 313.5. Correction, uh, 324ft/second. Five years of working at Archery Country, I have yet to put a 324 foot per second sight tape on. Now, just because we shoot it through the chronograph and we put a sight tape on there doesn't mean and it may be May when we do that, or December, or last fall, or might be August, that doesn't mean that is your home site tape. That is a really good start. Now, it may differ from pro shop to pro shop that you go around, but at Archery Country, we'll explain that to you. There is a thing called string stretch ever so slightly. Also you're going to have elevation changes. You're going to have what we talk about break in periods on things, but within a couple of feet per second, that's going to be your home base. So what I do when we put on a black gold site tape is we'll raise the housing all the way up to our home base, which is 20 yards. Most of the black gold sites nowadays have two indicator needles on, um, the multi pin system. So like the ascent verdict, assault. There's a four pin set up there's 2030, 40 and 50. The top indicator is going to be your top pin. Your bottom indicator is going to be your bottom pin. So at home base, it is 20 and it is 50. Now, wherever I drive that housing with my driver's site, the indicator needles are pointing at a yardage. The cool thing on how that works mathematically is at home base it's 20 and 50. But that does not mean when you bring your top pin down to 60, that your bottom pin is going to be all the way down to 100. The sight tape grows as we go out at further distances because of gravitational pull, because of other forces and drag that are making your arrow slow down at further distances. Now, it is a proven fact, and many of us have experienced this before, is our bow shoots 285ft/second and we put on a 285 or 284.5 foot per second sight tape. 20, it's on 30, it's on 40. Pretty good 50. All of a sudden, I'm having to run my I had to shoot like 51, 51 and a half. At 60, I got to run like 62. That is perfectly normal. With a lighter arrow setup, you're going to lose your feet per second faster than you are with a moderate or a heavy arrow setup. So that's why there's 54 sight tapes in that package. You can just take a Sharpie, uh, or a very fine tipped pen. When you're shooting your 60 yards or your 70 yards, make a mark, make sure that you're sighted in there, hold up another sight tape with your 20 matching, and then your new marks at 60 or 70. And that's your new sight tape. That's how simple black Gold makes it. I love those guys in that company for what they do because of feet per second. Now, switching to that, let's talk about the other vertical plane for your site tape, and that's Excel. Excel makes some of the most incredible high tolerance sites on the market in, uh, the hunting world. We're talking about the landslide and also the AccuTouch, which, like it or not, accutu is going to be fading away. Landslide is you might as well just get it because it's the best of the best on that. They also have a fixed pin site. But today we're not talking about fix pins, the landslide. They give you a plethora of sight tapes for sticky, but they also created metal sight tapes that will not wash away. They're super easy to read. It's a black site tape with white gravings engraving. Sorry. So I think it's actually lasered on there. And they're different numbers. Now, in the package that you buy with Excel, they don't give you all 40 site tapes. They only give you the most common. And the cool thing about them is they're double faced on the metal site tapes. I still run a sticky tape usually, unless I can find that perfect mix. But what you're going to do with Excel is it's going to come with a blank site tape. If you have a multi pin set up on this, we're strictly going to just use your top pin pin for your sight tape. Even though you may have a three pin and you're using your bottom pin as your further distances. Trust me on this. Just use your top pin for the site tape sight in. It's super easy to do this because your top pin is going to be 20 and we need a home base. So drive your site all the way up to where you're at and where it stops sight in at 20 yards. Make a mark. A lot of people ask, well, how do I make marks? Because if I take my pen, I hold my bow and I'm awkward and I kind of look like I'm trying, um, to play a violin and making sight tape marks. This is what I do. I went to Home Depot, and, uh, it's actually from my grandpa, his idea back in the day. I wouldn't call him a nerd with a pocket protector, but he had a little itty, itty bitty. I don't even know if it's considered an architectural ruler, but it's about six inches long, fits in your pocket, has a little pocket clip. That's the easiest thing. I can put it in my hip quiver. I can put it in my pocket. And when I'm out there, I'll hold that with my indicator needle as level as I can. And I always use a pretty sharp pencil. Uh, the pen seems to bleed a little bit, and it creates a pretty fat line. So when I'm making my, say, tapes, I do it with a pencil. Now, yes, you can smudge it or erase it, but I'm also actually kind of engraving that I'm pushing pretty hard. But I'll put that little pocket protector ruler. I wish I really knew what it was called. I'm super sorry. I'll send a picture to Desiree so that it's in the, uh, comments below or tagged on this. But I hold that ruler there and I make my 20 yard line just a quick. There's my line. And it's actually dented into the sight tape because it's soft. And there's my 20 mark. Now, I'm not just going to run back to 60 yards and get a chance of losing some arrows. I take my 365 Trio, like my 36. It really works with for longer distance in case I do flub up a little bit. But I'm going to go back to 30 and moving my sight tape to where I'm hitting the general area. I don't really care if I'm accurate at 30, but I need to get further distances. Mathematically speaking, this is where I'm going with this. Working my way back. 40. I get to 50. For some reason. I really, really like the number 60 for my hunting bows, because it seems to help further that. And it's a yardage, and I'm not bragging or nothing, but I feel like I'm a pretty good shooter. I feel very confident that I can hold less than a four inch group at 60 yards. And some days are better than others. But I, uh, really strongly think 60 is a really good yardage for me. Find your happy medium. If 50 is your max for comfort, shoot 50. If you can shoot 80 and, you know, like, there's no wind and Mother Nature has provided us with less humidity and everything's flying good, well then shoot 80. But, uh, I just checked those later. So I work back to 60. And this is where I camp out. All of this is done after my bow is tuned and my arrows are selected and everything's good. I camp out at 60. And, uh I shoot. And I shoot. And I might be clicking click, click. And I'm doing the same thing with my black Gold just to verify this. But we're talking Excel right now. 60, 60. Then I will feel confident after probably like six or seven ends of five or eight arrows. So let's just say 30 to 50 arrows. At 60. I feel really good that that's where my sight tape needs to be set at 60. Then I will make my mark. Now I am not done. I put my bow away. The next day, I'll take a few shots up at 20 just to make sure I'm good. And I go right back to 60. Or the next time I'm going to shoot. And I camp out at 60 for 20, 30, 40 arrows until I can honestly say that is my 60 yard mark. Then I will take. And I have my pencil. If I had to change it a little bit, I can erase or I can make a new line, whatever it may be. Then I will take. I'll drive to any of your hardware stores, True Value, your Home Depots, your Menards, wherever you want to go. You can order this on Amazon. It is a micro caliper for measuring like, widths of pipe, or if you needed a width of a bolt, or whatever it's measured. And I like the digital aspect of it because I can lock it. Um, there are ones that look like the old school clock. I don't know the wording for that, but I like the digital ones. It cost maybe $20. Really nice ones are in the hundreds, but you can use this for a lot of things, especially if you're handy with stuff. I will take my sight off of my bow. You don't have to do this, but it's easier for me to work with it. I'll lay it on my bench and I will set my top of my caliper at 20. And I'll work down to that 60 yard mark, adjusting that little turret so the jaws open up. And then, uh, when I get to the 60, i, A, have a digital readout, and B, I can push lock, or you can turn lock on knob on some of the calipers. Now, I will go over to my sight tapes. Rather, it be the metal ones. Or I can go to the one of the 40, and I will hold that caliper up. And you can even get a magnifying glass or some cheap readers from the gas station, like a one power, so that you can see exactly where the two for 20 and the six line up. There's my sight tape. I'm not trying to just fudge numbers. I actually know that's the correct spacing. Then I'll take the sticky part off or the metal. I'll put that back on. Now, when you put this back on, bring your sight up to 20, or leave it at 60 and lock it, and then put your site tape to where they line up. I like to go to 20 because that's my home, and usually you can't go up any more than that. Now, on Black, Gold and Excel, you can move your indicators. So if your site tape doesn't fit perfect where it is, or if you messed up a little bit, just move your indicator so that it's at 20, and then move your other one. Wherever your bottom pin is going to be, that's very important that you just listen to that. Your top pin is going to be at 20 home base. Your second indicator is where your bottom pin is. So on the ascent verdict, assault 2030, 40 50. I put my Seneca indicator at 50 on a three pin mountain light. My bottom pin is 20 30, 40. It's at 40. On, um, the triple stack, 2030 40. You actually have three indicators, so you'll set those. That's where your bottom pin is going to be. If you have a single pin, put it back at 20 and you're good to go. If you only have one indicator, let's say you buy the line slide and it only has one indicator, not two, or you took one off for some reason, that indicator, your site is up at 20. The indicator goes to where your bottom pin is. If you have a single indicator, this may be where people get confused. I wish I could show you pictures right now, but the whole site moves. You're just worried about where your bottom pin is because you know, home base is 20. Now, I will go back and cite in my 30 yard pin with home base at 20. Now I'll cite in my 40 yard pin, home base at 20. So I'm moving my individual pins, not the housing. So if you're with me on that, you're good. Okay, so that's your vertical site tape placards or forward facing site tapes. Now, when we go over to HHA and we go over to Spot Hog, this is the wraparound, the big dial, the wraparound site tape profile. They make it pretty dang easy for you to do this. And I'll explain the differences here in just a second. So what we're going to do with I have two sites here in front of me. I have a HHA four pin. It's a Tetra tournament, four pin. I have a spot hog triple stack. And we're going to pretend that I also have just a single pin, HHA, because this is pretty important. Remember back earlier in the podcast, I told you we're going to use our top pin for our sight tape findings. Even though you have three other pins or two other pins on the triple stack, we're going to use our top pin strictly for finding our site tape. So we put on the triple stack. We got our 1st, 2nd, 3rd access. All done. What we're going to do is move the we're going to go over to 20 yards. I really like to have my sight tape on Spot Hog. I really like to have my sight all the way to kind of where it kind of maxes out top so that I have max yardage. Um, the cool thing about Spot Hog is they have what we call a rack stop. So I try to leave just a little bit of room, especially for the faster bows. I like to leave a little bit of room where the rack stop will still connect to that big, huge bar with teeth. And this is pretty important because that's where I can always go back to my home. So let's say I go over the range at 20 yards and I'm shooting and I'm still really high. I need to move the dial so that my site scope housing goes higher. Well, instead of using my dial because I have my rack stop on, there's one, two, three different ways that I can move that housing up on Spot Hog. There is a couple different ways on the HHA. Um, actually the HHA, we're going to set it up. You can move the housing without moving the dial. So find your home on HHA. You can actually turn this thing all the way till it stops. That's where I want my 20. So my dial is all the way up on, uh, the Spot Hog. My dial is all the way up to where the rack stops at 20 yards. I like to have my pin on the upper half. Not all the way to the third, but the upper half. And on the triple stack, I like to have it maxed out all the way up for the pin. Now, if I'm shooting at 20 yards and I need to move my housing up or down, I do that so that I can kind of go wherever I need to and I'll fine tune if it's just a sliver. If I'm low at 20 and I need to go back down just um, like a 16th of an inch or not even that, then I will move my pin. But I'll get my home as close to home as I can get at 20 yards. All right, hopefully I didn't lose you guys on that. So m now I have 20 yards. I can drill attack at 29 times out of ten. Super confident with it. On both of these sites, there is what we call the setup site tape. It's going to start at zero or set up zero homemark. Your top indicator is where that sticker needs to start. So on the HHA, it's a setup tape. It's black and red. It's a white tape with black and red markings. My indicator is pointing at zero and I'm sighted in at 20. Now, don't get lost. Okay? It's at zero. I'm using my top pin only. Work my way back to 30, make sure I'm hitting target. Work my way back to 40. Work my way back to 50. Work my way back to 60. On my target the whole time, I'm moving the dial down. So I started at zero. At 30, it may end up being at like six. At, ah, 40, it may be 17. At, uh, 50, it may be 25. And at 60, my top pin is probably, let's just say, uh, for example, it's, uh, at 40. I've moved my housing at 60 yards to where, on my setup tape, my indicator points at 40. Again, shot 40 arrows at 60 that day. I got a pretty good idea. Take a picture with my phone, boom. Go into edit that picture. I'll go to the marker and I'll write on there 60 yards. I save that picture in my photo album and I have it day two, day four, day seven, whatever the next day is that you can get out and shoot, maybe take a couple of warm up shots at 20. But, uh, I'm going to go right back to 60 yards. That being said, another 20 to 40 arrows at 60 until I know, yes, this is absolutely perfect. There are some listeners out there that may be like, well, what happens if I'm low at 60? Drive your housing down. Always follow your arrows. If you're low at 60, go M down. If you're high at 60, move your site housing up. Make your pin, chase your arrows left and right. I hope that you guys understand that you take care of that usually at 20. And that's why I've repeatedly said your 1st, second and your third access. Your second very important for this because if you're sighting in at 20 and all of sudden A at 60, you're four inches to the left. Probably if you haven't done a walk back tune, might look that area. But your second access might be off to where your site is moving right or left the further you go out. That's why it's very important if you don't have the tools or the levels to do it, you can come in, pay a small fee and we'll do your 1st, 2nd, 3rd access. Unless if you bought the stuff from us, which I hope you have, we'll do it for free. And you can always check this because some stuff happens. Sometimes things get bumped. Um, takes us probably five to ten minutes on busy day. So no worries on that. Back to it. So now I have my 60 yard mark. My indicator needle is pointing at number 40 in my HHA booklet of sight tapes. They are numbered one through whatever it may be, 100. I look and I find sight tape number 40. I have site tape number 40. I cut it out. I lay it on a nice little work area that's clean. I'm going to take my scope, my sight and my scope. I'm going to take and loosen the brake. I'm going to drive this all the way back up to my setup zero, my home base maxed all the way up. I'm going to take a fine tuned or super small knife or whatever I need to do to get the site tape off the setup tape off. Well, I've locked my sight, so my indicator needle is at 20 yards. I take my new site tape number 40 and I'll start the number 20 yard mark exactly where that indicator needle is. And I'll neatly place that sight tape and wrap it around that drive wheel all the way down and then finish it off. Now I know, excuse me, that, uh, I just messed up. Instead of starting it at 20, I'm going to start the site tape. I need to go back and edit this because I just messed up big time. I need to set my sight tape on the HHA tetra on this four pin, 2030, 40, 50. I need to start it at 50 because I'm going to cite in my other pins at that yardage my 20. I'm at 20, yes. But that sight tape is going to start at 50 because my bottom pin is 50 yards. You with me on that? I'll repeat it again. So on this four pin, I have 2030 40, 50 on, um, the home base. My top pin right now is at 20 yards. If I shot my bow in the yardage at 20, it's hitting. I'm going to start my sight tape at 50 for the bottom pin because I already have fixed pins to get me to 50. Then when I turn my housing, rather be to 55 or 60, 67, 72, I'm using my bottom pin on the spot hog. Actually, we'll go back to HHA. Let's say I have a single pin. That is where I will start the site tape at 20 yards because I only have one pin all the time. No matter where I move the housing, it's going to be pointing at the yardage that I choose or wherever I stop it at. So on a single pin, you start the site tape at 20. On a multi pin, whatever your bottom pin yardage is, that's where you start your site tape. Hopefully I didn't lose everybody on that. You can call me or email me if I did. Now, the triple stack, they have three indicators that is going to be I'm going to start my top pin, top indicator, top pin at 20. Then I'm going to put my sight tape and roll it around nice and clean on there. And then I move my indicators to whatever my second pin is. I like to go in increments of ten on the triple stack, I can micro adjust my pins up and down. So I'll set my top pin at 20, my second pin at 30, and my bottom pin at 40 on, uh, my indicators, they're little purple indicators. I set my top indicator at 20. I'll set my second indicator to match my second pin at 30, and I'll match my fourth pin, fourth indicator at 43rd pin, 4th 3rd indicator, 40 yards. Let's say you get a spot hog, double pin, two indicators, 20 and whatever. You set your second pin at 30. I just like to go on that. Some guys can get away with like a 35 or a 40 yard pin. By all means, you're covering more yardage with just two pins. Why not do it black gold? We'll go back to it. They have a dual track, which is probably next to the Ascent verdict assault one of our number one sellers. Because you instantaneously have a 20 yard pin and a 35 or 20 and a 40, it's very rare that we can have you have to be shooting some pretty good poundage and a moderate to light arrow setup to get 20 and 40 on their spacing. But you can micro adjust that pin and have it wherever you want. All right, now you can if you would like to. We've had some guys that say, well, you know, I'm always off yard or two at my further distances with this 20 and 60 yard wrap up tape. I understand that you can take your setup tape, work your way back to 60. You have the mark on, um, HHA. They have a really fine point indicator needle, so you can really figure out where it is. But I always do this. Take a. Picture with my phone and exactly where the 60 yard mark is on that tape. I'll take a picture with my phone and then I can blow it up. That's my magnifying glass. I'll take the sight tape off the setup site tape. I'll take it off of the wheel drive wheel and I'll lay it on and I'll stick it right down to my workbench, go grab my caliper out of my case, which is in my toolbox. Then I'll measure that 20 yard home, which is zero, and my 60 yard home, which on the HHA was 40, but it might be ever so slightly wherever my mark ends up being 41 or 41 and a half or 42, and those are just numbers. But then I'll lock my caliper. Now, the sight tapes that come from HHA and Spot Hog are on a flat surface already, they're not on a dial. And then I can match it up even though it gives me a reference. It says, yep, you should use sight tape 40. I'm going to make dang sure that that site tape and that caliper match up wherever it's going to be. Whether it be 41 or 42 or 38 or 39, 40 might be perfect. Same thing with Spot Hog, if you want to be precise. Again, find your happy medium for your furthest yardage. Wherever you're comfortable, wherever you think you can hold your best group at the furthest distance. If it's 40 40, so be it. Now, a lot of people are going to say, well, I don't need a site tape goes 100 yards because I'm never going to shoot over 40. That's okay, you're probably not buying a driver's sight unless you just want to be the cool kid on the block. But it's fun and it's also very challenging and it makes you a better archer if you can at least practice further, further than what your pins may be. Single pin sites were a huge fad eight years ago because it created less clutter. You could see your animal, your desired target. A lot of target archers use a single pin set up in the 3D world or a dot. So it's only one site point reference. It's only one pin reference. You don't have to worry about multiple. But in a hunting world, things can happen so fast that, uh, I've been caught before. I have a single pin sight, and yeah, I did the magical trick and I set it at 30, because at 20 I'm only an inch and a half high, and at 40, I'm two inches low. Whitetail, accurate, I guess you could say. But still, a single pin, you may get stuck, you may be, maybe not. Turkey hunters usually can get away with single pin because you're trying to get them in for your thick timber. I have a 20 yard food plot or wherever I'm hunting, and that's where it is. You're probably okay, but if you get an opportunity where you're hunting a field edge and you need more than one pin simultaneously, that's where you're going to have a dual pin or a triple stack, or a four pin, uh, or just a fixed pin, whatever it may be. But again, talking about sight tape. So why would you have sight tape on a fixed pin, you know what I mean? So that being said, we talked about the caliper. Now we're kind of talking about why I would shoot a driver site for that simplicity that we just talked about. Um, we've talked about it on numerous podcasts or we talk about it every sales pitch. And we're talking about sites and why we use what we use. Having that capability to know like a four pin setup or a, uh, five pin set up on a driver's site, if you go that many. I have 2030, 40, 50 on our four pins. You got 2030, 40, 50 on a triple stack. You have 20, 30, 40. On a dual pin, you have 20 and 35, or 20 and 40. So, instant gratification on wherever I need my yardage. All of these have very good braking systems. Uh, Black Gold has a little bitty lever right in front of the site tape indicator that will lock it. HHA is on the side of the site wheel, the driver wheel, you can lock it. Spot Hog is on the bottom of the wheel, bottom of the mechanism where you can lock it. I like to, when I get set in a tree stand, if you're going to lock it, that's just one more move. But when I get up there, it's like, okay, so I get up in the tree stand, hang my bow, I take my quiver off, hang my quiver, I get the arrow, kiss the broadhead for good luck, knock that arrow. Everything is prestige. I have my home, wherever my home is. And I'll reach up and I'll unlock that brake so that I can move my site tape freely, the wheel, anytime that I need to. Uh, very rarely do I have it locked, but you can lock it if you need to. So, again, we're just talking about a different couple of different site setups that you have. And there are so many options. You can customize them, you can get smaller pins, you can get pin colors. The last three or four years, there's site companies out there, the supply and demand issues, they've actually gone away from customizing. You can order them, but now they've opened the channels back up to where we can, um, pin coloration. That's another big thing that comes up. Spothog, they give you like, if you open up the triple stack site, uh, they're going to be green, yellow, green. Uh, HHA, they have green, red, green, red, green, uh, and red on that black Gold, they change up their colors on their dual track is going to be green and red. Right out of the box. You can micro adjust the second pin up or down on the triple stack. You can micro adjust each individual pin up or down. Um, HHA, it's not a micro adjust, but you can move the pins up or down ever so slightly. Um, and then you can also do pin size like the Ascent Verdict Assault. The one that we made that's kind of like the pro shop one. The bottom pin is 10,000, um, and that's green because the further you are away, you want a smaller pin profile to not cover up your axe or your deer or turkey or whatever it may be. And again, you can customize those. Black Gold is one of the simplest. Unless you have a pro site that has micro adjustable pins that we have to send a black gold or we have to order you a custom. But if it's just the standard ascent Verdict Assault, uh, we can change the pins for you. So you could have all green. You can have green, red, green, red. You can have green if you like. It seems to be in the world of archery, yellow is a site, um, it's a color for the fiber optic that most archers have the hardest time seeing. Uh, it fades a little bit. I can shoot a yellow pin, but I don't like to. I customize my sights. Usually they're all green and I know a lot of people are like, well, my gosh, you're going to not be able to figure out when you're in the heat of the moment and there's an animal and you need to go to the 40 yard pin. It's one of the green pins. Well, I've been doing it long enough that I can go 2030, 40, 50. It's just boom, it's right there in my mind. Now, one site that we have not talked about and I left it for the end of. This is our new option archery canyon Pounder. This is a site that is completely different than any of the four or five sites that I've talked about in the last 38 minutes. The Canyon Pounder, mr. Dan Evans uh, option archery has been around for a while. They used to have a big oval kind of look like a football field stadium or a hockey rank oval. They've gone away from that and they went back to a circular on the Canyon Pounder. This is a multi pin, single pin driver site because the hood opens up 90 degrees right or left handed, whatever it may be. So you can instantly have a single pin or you can close the hood and have a five pin. You can customize it to a three pin if you wanted, um, four pin if you wanted it's. Wherever you're going to be now, it takes a little bit. You can watch some YouTube videos or talk to us, one at the shop on how you're going to do this site. This is, again, the only site of the whole six that we talked about, where you're going to do things a little bit different. But it is super easy. You're going to get this site. It has five pins when the hood's closed. It has a 20 yard fixed pin, a 30 yard fixed pin. The 40 is the Movable. 50 is fixed. 60 is fixed. So four fixed pins. Then one mover. Now the mover back in the day, the mover moved, but now we're moving the whole housing. So we're going to open up the hood. Your third pin, the mover pin. Again, I hate to say that word, mover pin, because you're not actually moving the pin. It's the housing. The third pin is how we're going to get our site tape. We're going to max that site all the way up to where it's at zero. It's already a setup tape is already installed. The Placard, it's big, it's very vibrant. You can see it very well. And I'm going to sight in that single pin at 20 by moving my housing bracket up or down. Not the flywheel. It's a big turret up on top. It's like, uh, it would be closer to Excel, um, landslide. It's got a turret up on top. It's the only one of these sites where the drive wheel isn't on the side. It's up on top. So it's like a target site. Back to home. I got my 20 and my sight tape indicator. And my sight tape is at zero. I'm only using my single pin sighting in at 20. I'm going to walk back, shoot it at 30, just make sure. And I'm moving my whole housing with that turret just a little bit at 30 to make sure I hit it. Uh, at 40, I'm moving it a little bit. 50, I'm moving it. Now I'm at 50. They give you the option to either go 50 yards or 80 yards. We're home at 50. We feel really comfortable. We're Midwest shooters. If you want 80, I think the further you are, the little bit more accurate your site tape is. But at 50 now, I'm only using my single pin. I haven't closed the housing. I've moved the turret, the indicator needle. I am, um, blasting the center of the target at 50 yards with my single pin. Very confident. My needle is pointing at 30. I'm shooting a pretty fast bow. The number on the site tape is 30. That's not the yardage. That's just the number that it's pointing at. Now I go to my option, archery. I open up the whole booklet, and they give you two site tapes for that number. One site tape is going to be for your single pin. The other side tape is going to be for your bottom pin of your fixed. That's going to be on the right side. If you're a right handed shooter, on the left side of the site is going to be your single pin. Site tape on the right side is going to be your bottom pin of your multi pin. You with me so far? So my bottom pin is going to be my again. Remember, I have 20 for my top pin, 30 for my second. My mover is at 40. My second or uh, 3rd, 4th pin is at 50 and the bottom pin is at 60. So I'm going to have that site tape on the right hand side that's going to start at 60. Now on the single pin side of things, the site tape is going to be a complete sight tape and the indicator is going to start at 20. Now uh, this is where it gets tricky because that's my 40 yard pin and I know that my sight tape is correct. I will move the whole housing down to 40 and I'll go back and I'll sight in my fixed pin for 20. Move it up or down. I'm um, going to cite in my second pin for 30, moving it up or down. This is where the housing is closed. I know because my middle pin is the mover or the single that's already perfect at 40. Then I'm going to go down to my fourth pin. That is 50. And I'm going to go down to my fifth pin and that is 60. And I'm moving those four, the 20, the 30, the 50 and the 60. My sight tape on the right side, I started at 60. My site tape on the left side is 20 through 100. And it's even more than that plus 100. Now, when I'm hunting, if I'm going to use all the fixed pins, that scope is closed. And my sight tape on the left side is at 40 because that's where the pin is. And on the other side, it's at 60. But I know I'm at home. So my top pin is at 20. The Canyon Pounder. Honestly, we're going to send you a QR code or you're going to scan it in the option and you're going to watch the YouTube video that option Archery has put out. Also, if you guys are avid podcasters or YouTubers, dan Evans with Elk Shape, sorry, Dan Evans and Dan Staton, they got together, they have a pretty cool YouTube video about the Canyon pounder. When you're buying the Canyon Pounder from option Archery, you're actually buying two sites in one. Now you say, well that's a lot of money. Yeah, it is. But if you wanted to buy two of phenomenal sites, a single pin and a multi pin, you're going to be into the 700 $800 range. Uh, here you can buy one site does it all. Um, that's a site to definitely look at. If you're in the market. This, uh, time of year, people are getting restrings. They're upgrading their bows. They maybe don't need to upgrade their bow. They're just getting restrings and a new rest. And hey, it's time to get a new site. Now we have something for all of you. Now where does this come into play? Why would I need a new site? Again, not separating, not uh, being biased, not leaving anybody out in the open. There are situations where you want to have a driver. Practice is probably the most common, but also for clutter. I like to be able to have a 60 yard pin but I don't want to have five pins in my site because it's too congested. Some people can get away with it. I just personally can't target background and I may not shoot target as much as I once did, but I still like to have just a reference that's easy for me to see. I like to see what I'm aiming at and not have a bunch of stuff covering it up because the way that it works with your self conscious and your conscious is you can only really educate yourself as good as we may want, we think we are. You can only concentrate on one thing. Is it release, execution? Is it the target or is it the pin? Very few people concentrate on the pin. It's just a stationary object in the way of the target and that's giving me a point of aim reference in especially a hunting situation. I am buried on that tuck of hair or that little bit of fluff, that's an OD mark or just a generalization of that's the second rib back. That's where I want that broad head to hit. The pin just happens to be in the way. Now. 3d course, same thing. I found an arrow that somebody had already put in there and one of my budies has shot a perfect twelve and I'm aiming at that arrow. I'm looking at the arrow, the pin or the dot is just in the way. A ah turkey set up right close. I'm looking at the beard. If he's facing me or above that little buff on the feather or above the top of the leg, I'm just aiming at that spot and the pin gets in the way. The only time that I concentrate on the pin is when I'm shooting indoor archery at 20 yards. Then I concentrate on my dot and it just gets in the way of the target. I'm not actually concentrating on the X, but that's where we shoot a big profile dot or a bigger pin. So there's different ways to look at it. A human, very few humans have the ability to do both. Even if you shoot with both eyes open, it's hard to concentrate and have a crystal clear pin and a crystal clear target. You can get very close but it's hard to do it. I got a podcast coming up with somebody that we're going to talk about aiming a little bit more in detail. That's something that you're going to want to subscribe to this. So you get the notification, ring that bell rather be on YouTube or any of our big home, uh, bases for these podcasts. Because the next podcast, that gentleman that we're going to be talking to, he's going to narrow things down a little bit. So I hope this helped you out on building the perfect site tape at all of our pro shops. We're here to help you and we thoroughly enjoy this. We've done this with two or three bows personally every year for the last, umpteen, 20 plus years. Um, up in Brainerd, those guys are testing immensely. Wait park, there's a plethora of guys there that have done this. Very few of us are shooting a fixed pin site. It may be a fixed pin, but it's also a driver. So we have to make a site tape. Now, contrary to belief, if I did my sight tape in May, am I set and good to go in September? In a roundabout way, if you buy a black gold and nothing changed on your bow, you're pretty set. Spot hog. You're pretty set. HHA, you're pretty set. You're always going to want to check it, especially right before now. Once you've done a site tape one or two times, you get pretty good. It's not very hard to switch it out. If you happen to go out and you're pinwheeling at 20 yards and you get back to 60, 70 yards on practice, let's say I got an analog pond in Douglas, Wyoming, and there may be a shot that I have to take past there. And I sight in at 60 and I know, oh my gosh. Just, um, a little bit low. I got to go to 63 yards to be accurate. No problem. Just go home. Or if you want to do it where you're shooting, if you're at home, go back in your shop and then just make a mark and put a new site tape on where 20 is your home and 63 is your new 60. That's why there's a plethora of site tapes. You can buy spot Hog site tapes. I believe they're 1299. You can buy HHA site tapes that go out further than 100. Um, for there's Tetra models and then there's Optimizer model. You can buy those. They're 1599. You can get a booklet of black gold site tapes from us. They're 1599. Don't quote me on these prices. It's just a generalization excel. We can order those and get them for you. The sticky sides. We also can order the specific metal placard site tape. So if you are on your sticky tape, you're not a 22, you're a 23 or 24. And you didn't get that metal site tape in your package, which they're not going to send all of them. They're going to send about a third of them. We can order that. We do carry some on hand, especially during busy season. But it is something that you're going to want to. And you guys can order this stuff by yourself. But we do offer it here at the pro shop, especially for the sites we're talking about, canyon Pounder. You can get those um, option they do give you. All of these sites come with a site booklet, site tape booklet. So don't feel like you're out in the open. Now, there are some listeners, avid listeners, avid archers that are going to use programs like Archers Advantage. Back in the day here in Rogers, and I think wait, park and Brainer did it as well. We used to have a program on a computer. We could print out site tapes. The companies have gotten so good that they do it for us. So we've gotten away from that. You can download the app Archers Advantage. You can pay for their membership for the year and you can print out site tapes. Archer's Mark, um, I've used that a lot. Again, it's an app where you can make a site tape. It gives you your marks. It's strictly kind of made for the target setup because you're entering the site, um, on the turret and the worm drive, there's different gear ratios and different ways that it moves. So it gets a little bit more complicated. You need to have, like, your site, your peep to pin your peep to arrow your feet per second. You got to have a lot more information if you want to make those precise site tapes. I am here to tell you in as many years as I've been doing this, uh, I have ordered some custom site tapes from like, Gunstar, um, Gunship, gunstar and that. They're just super, super accurate. They're very fine printed and they're nice. But honestly, all of these hunting sites, they come with what you need. You don't need anything more than that. You may be shooting 295ft/second and Black Gold, 295 foot per second sight tape. It works phenomenally out to 50, but my 60, 70, and 80 yards are off. Then I'm just going to go down to a lower sight tape to where those marks are on because my 20 to 50, honestly, if you're off just a quarter yard, half yard, you're okay. You know what I mean? There's not very many archers that can hit a pop, can lid at 50 yards and know the difference between a quarter yard. So what I'm saying is you're getting everything that you need or we can get you extra site tapes for that. So just a little recap sorry, by myself today. Little recap on what we're talking about. Our driver sites from our tree country, the mains that we carry, Black Gold, is going to be our number one. Uh, the ascent verdict, assault, the dual track and the mountain light, three pin. All those sites can be customized. They're super easy. You can actually we'll cite you in at 20 and we can get you a site tape that's going to get you within a five inch dot at 60, 70, 80, yards. Pretty dang confident in that. Again, we also look at the arrow build. Keith and I actually figured this out through trial and error the last couple of years is when we go to our light arrow setup. Sometimes those sight tapes are skewed just a little bit where if you're shooting a moderately heavy, like a 500 to, uh, 550 grain arrow setup, usually those site tapes are pretty smack dab on, um, because, again, you're losing less feet per second. The further you go out with a heavy arrow. You're just shooting a lot slower sight tape with a heavy arrow. So the black gold. We also carry the HHA. We have a four pin. That's called the Tetra tournament. Four pin. Um, super robust, super nice micro adjust on your windage, uh, your elevation. We can do that, too. And then again, spot hog we carry. We can get the single pin. We have a few of them, the double pin. And these are all on a fast Eddie XL base. You can get just the Fast Eddie that's going to be your bracket. That's fixed. It's not a dovetail where you can move it in and out. Uh, the Triple stack is our number one seller from Spot Hog. It's a very robust site. It's a three pin in line. It's not one pin, but it's in one pin plane. So you're looking at one post with three pins on it, more or less. And then the Canyon Pounder, that's new to us this year. It's actually new to everybody this year from Option Archery. That is a site that I'm running on my Matthews this year. I really like it. Uh, for turkey hunting, I set it up to a hat. I just use a single pin. You can have two different lights, so you can light up all your pins or you can light up just your single pin. I, uh, can close the housing and then, boom. I have 2030, 40, 50. And when I'm sitting in the tree stand for whitetails. Not going to say that I've never took a shot over 60 on an animal, but it's very rare that I'm going to have to. And that brings up a good point. Why not just have a fixed pin and then run with it if you're not going to shoot over 60? Because there might be an opportunity. And then also practice. I like to have a couple. I've ran a two pin, the Black Gold dual Track last year. I liked it. I like to have three pins on my Excel Landslide 20, 30, 40. Because if there is an animal that's out at 47 or 52 or 62, i, uh, usually have time to range it 62 and a half. I can reach down and move that. So my bottom indicator, my bottom pin is at 62 and a half. And I have time to do that if they're within 30. Unless you're really, really good. And that deer is deaf and blind. You could get away with some movement and moving. That all there. But why chance it? Have a pin. At least have a dual pin set up. Um, single pin. Guys, not leaving you out, just talking to you. I hope you enjoyed this. I know that it got a little bit congested in the middle there. It might have confused a couple of you, but again, call us, talk to us, stop in the archery shop. Thanks again for listening, guys. I hope you have a great day and we'll see you on, um, the next one. Thank you for listening to Archery Country podcast.
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