February 7, 2025 • 17 mins
In my first reading roundup I talk about a wonderful Sci-Fi series and three incredible memoirs. All of the books covered are written by autistic authors. The memoirs detail the lived experience of three amazing late-diagnosed autistic women. And the Sci-Fi series features an autistic protagonist central to the adventure.
Just as interesting, in my opinion, the theme of finding our true autistic calling is central to each of these books. All of the books featured are available in ebook. They are:
- Xandri Corelel Series (affiliate link) by Kaia Sønderby : 0. Testing Pandora, 1. Failure to Communicate, 2. Tone of Voice
- Drama Queen (affiliate link) by Sara Gibbs
- Label Me (affiliate link) by Francesca Baird
- U Don't Seem Autistic (affiliate link) by Kathleen Schubert
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Episode 4 Transcript If your podcast provider cuts off the transcript, you can see the full transcript for this episode at AutisticPOV.com Closed captioning is available on the website or via the podbean app. 0:00 This is Barbara Graver of Autistic POV and today we're going to be talking about four books by autistic authors. Welcome to Autistic POV. My name is Barbara Graver and I started this podcast to share a bit of my journey as a late diagnosed autistic. Hi, this is Barbara Graver. 0:29 I'm so happy you could join me for my very first autistic POV reading roundup. So we're going to be talking about four different books, actually one series and three memoirs. And the reason I chose these books is because they all kind of center on a common theme. And 0:48 this is the theme I want to explore probably in our next episode, but I'm going to talk about the books in this one. The first one is a sci-fi series, and this series is written by Kaya Sounderby, and it's the Zandri Corello series. series, and it begins with a fantastic book called Failure to Communicate. 1:13 The second book I'm going to be talking about is Drama Queen, written by Sarah Gibbs, and this is an amazing memoir. It's my favorite autistic memoir I have read to date. It's fantastic. And then I'm going to talk about two other memoirs a little more briefly, primarily because they go along with the same theme, 1:32 and one is called You Don't Look Autistic, and you in this is spelled with a u, Actually, You Don't Seem Autistic is the name. And the last one is Label Me. So we're going to talk about all these books. And I'm going to try to explain why I like them and why I think they're, 1:50 they're all have a lot of value. And I do want to say with memoir, like I've heard people say, there's so many autism memoirs out there and that's true. There are, but I feel like all of them have value. Like every autistic memoir I read, 2:07 I resonate with or pick up on something different and I find them all helpful. They're helpful on multiple levels. I think they're helpful in terms of making you feel a little less alone. They're helpful in giving you insight. And they're helpful in terms of learning and support. I think they serve multiple purposes. And these books, 2:29 all of these books, and I just want you to kind of keep in mind as we talk about them, all deal with the importance of our calling. So the first series I wanted to talk about, the first book I want to talk about is the Zandri Corello series. And this is a sci-fi series. 2:49 It's set in just an amazing world. It's just a wonderful world. An
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(00:00):
this is Barbara Graver of autistic POV
(00:03):
and today we're going to be talking
about four books by autistic
authors welcome to Artistic POV my name
is Barbara Graver and I started this
podcast to share a bit of my journey as
(00:24):
a late diagnosed
autistic hi this is Barbara Graver I'm
so happy you could join me for my very
first autistic POV reading Roundup so
we're going to be talking about four
different books actually one series and
three Memoirs and the reason I chose
these books is because they all kind of
(00:45):
Center on a common theme and I this is a
theme I want to explore probably in our
next episode but I'm going to talk about
the the books in this one the first one
is a Sci-Fi series and this series is
written by Kaa sandberry sound Derby and
it's the xandre
(01:07):
Corell series and it begins with a
fantastic book called failure to
communicate the second book I'm going to
be talking about is drama queen written
by Sara Gibbs and this is amazing Memoir
it's my favorite autistic Memoir I have
read today it's fantastic and then I'm
going to talk about two other Memoirs a
(01:28):
little more briefly primarily because
they go along with the same theme and
one is called you don't look autistic
and you in this is spelled with e you
actually you don't seem autistic is the
name and the last one is label me so
we're going to talk about all these
books and I'm going to try to explain
why I like them and why I think they're
(01:50):
they're all have a lot of value and I I
do want to say with Memoir like I've
heard people say there's so many autism
Memoirs out there and that's true there
are but I feel like all of them have
value like every autistic Memoir I read
I resonate with or pick up on something
different and I find them all helpful
(02:12):
they're helpful on multiple levels I
think they're helpful in terms of making
you feel a little less alone they're
helpful in giving you insight and
they're helpful in terms of learning and
support I think they serve multiple
purposes and these books all of these
books and I just want you to kind of
keep in mind as we talk about them all
(02:34):
deal with the importance of our calling
so the first series I wanted to talk
about the first book I want to talk
about is the xandre Corell series and
this is a Sci-Fi series it's set in just
amazing world it's just a wonderful
world and the characters are great and
(02:56):
one of the things I loved about the
world was the diversity of the world and
it shows quote alien species as not all
humanoids not they're not all guys in
suits and I understand why I I watch a
lot of sci-fi and I read sci-fi and I
like sci-fi and I understand why say
Star Trek like all the quote aliens had
(03:19):
to be able to be an actor in a suit and
understand why the humanoid ideal is
always or often represented in sci-fi
and every species encountered is a
variation on the human ideal but I
really like the fact that this author
that Cara Sounder Sounder treated the
(03:42):
various races throughout the Galaxy as
being capable of evolving from different
types of life forms different species so
there there might be species that's like
dolphins there might be one that's very
like like various kinds of mammals there
might be others that are humanoid and I
thought this was a really cool way to
(04:03):
present this and the book was really
really well constructed it was plotted
out very well it was suspenseful the
characters were engaging the main
character xandre is autistic and I
thought the author did a really good job
of that of portraying the challenges and
(04:25):
the strengths of autism really well and
she is the heroine of the series she's
not a peripheral character she's the
heroine and she has unique abilities to
communicate to communicate which is
seems kind of ironic but it really the
way it's presented in the series it
isn't to communicate with different
different types of cultures and
different languages and different kinds
(04:47):
of people throughout the Galaxy because
of how she'd had to learn to do that as
an autistic and it's really well done
it's really suspenseful it's really
great series that has three books
there's a kind of a prequel called
testing Pandora then there's failure to
communicate and then there's tone of
(05:09):
voice that's book two testing Pandora is
book zero failure to communicate is book
one and tone of voice is book two and I
hope she writes book three I really do
and I I really liked the theme of this
of the autistic protagonist struggling
struggling with people struggling with
(05:30):
her past struggling with all kinds of
things but also finding her Niche she
finds her niche in this she finds her
calling and that's kind of a theme with
all these books and and I think it's
important theme and the second book I
wanted to talk about is a memoir by Sara
Gibbs and that is called Drama Queen
because that was something she was told
all her life that she was being dramatic
(05:53):
and that's a very common charge I think
that's leveled at autistics it may come
in various kind of deliveries but it's a
common thing that's said and she focuses
a lot she focuses obviously on her
childhood everyone talks about their
childhood in these Memoirs but she also
focuses a lot on her work life and she
(06:15):
does an excellent job of showing how she
didn't fit in in the standard office 9
to5 and why and how other people treated
her and how unfairly she was treated and
what a double standard really there was
for people who were neur neurotypical
and people who were autistic and and she
(06:36):
was diagnosed relatively late in life
and I identified with a lot of what she
said now not everything I never identify
with everything people say in these
Memoirs and I don't really think you
should but I did identify with the fact
that she was always making these Fresh
Starts and that was something I did uh
really all my life so she would just get
(06:58):
overwhelmed and she would walk away from
things like jobs and make a fresh start
and she was always making a fresh start
and I used to do that too I actually I
think between the ages of maybe 17 and
20 I I didn't live anywhere and by
anywhere I mean different states
different cities for more than six
(07:19):
months I just kept leaving and making
these Fresh Starts that always failed
and she has the same mentality she's
like another fresh start and so I really
really identified with that and another
thing she talked about that I found
really insightful is obsessiveness and
for her a lot of her obsess obsessions
(07:41):
had to do with relationship she would
get very very obsessed with either
someone she was in a relationship with
or someone she just had a crush on she
even called it her Crush monster an
interesting thing is she talked about
how once she found out she was autistic
that kind of went away and the reason it
(08:02):
went away was because she understood
that she was looking for something she
was looking for an answer in these these
Partners in these romantic Partners she
was trying to find an answer and once
she found out she was autistic she had
an answer for why life was so difficult
for her and she didn't need to do that
anymore and I thought that was brilliant
(08:24):
and I've kind of experienced that too
and and I'll talk a little bit more
about maybe we'll do episode on
spirituality at some point but for me my
answer was not so much relationships
although I did some of that but
spirituality I was always looking for an
answer in terms of either organized
religion or different specific spiritual
(08:46):
practice and I I went through so many
religions and so many spiritual
practices I was like The Perennial
seeker and I would go kind of from one
thing to another and
not just when I found out I was autistic
but when I started to really think about
it and integrate it and understand it
(09:08):
and kind of gain some perspective
because of it that need to be immersing
myself in different spiritual practices
just kind of evaporated it was really
really surprising it just isn't really
there anymore and when I read that in
Sara gibbs's book I thought her Crush
monster for me it was like crushes on
spirituality more the same thing kind of
(09:31):
happened to me and I thought that's
really interesting so I'm kind of
curious if anyone else has had that
experience and the other thing I really
appreciated in in Sarah gibbs's book in
um drama queen was that she needed to
find out what it is she did and it
turned out to be writing comedy and the
(09:52):
book is just brilliantly funny and I
think that's that's a testament to how
much this was her calling and I feel
personally that people with Autism are
probably more focused on calling and
career than a lot of neurotypical people
I think it's often times very Central to
who we are at least it's Central to who
(10:14):
I am and trying to find my calling has
been something that has kind of haunted
me all my life and I was always very
creative in terms of writing and art and
yet I couldn't couldn't ever really find
where I belonged so I find it
interesting that in all of these books
the fiction and the Memoir that was also
(10:37):
a big theme and SAR Gibbs could not
function an office environment no matter
how hard she tried and yet when she
began to explore comedy which is a
really challenging thing to be a
comedian or to to write comedy is very
competitive I'm sure and very
challenging I I'm sure the bars set very
(10:58):
high as this the case with a lot of
creative things but I think particularly
comedy it's it's that's a tough pick
it's a really tough pick and yet that
was where she excelled and I found that
very interesting and and it just did me
good to read the story of somebody who
struggled kind of like I struggled when
I worked as a nurse in an office
(11:21):
environment I was never never part of
the the in group The Office politics
were kind of always skewed against me
and and I'll talk more about that I
think in another episode but it's so
difficult and like Sara says it's not
about doing your job she always did her
job very well it was about the social
aspect of fitting in in the office and
(11:45):
that was my experience too and I think a
lot of us have that experience so I just
love to see that she quote made it I
love to see that she became a comedy
writer and that that she wrote this
amazing book is just a good thing
to uh to know so I love that and then
the two other books I'm just going to
mention briefly were you don't look
(12:08):
autistic and that's you with the letter
you and label me and these were both
books written by autistic women and I
really especially liked label me because
the author of label me her autism
presented a little bit differently
Franchesca Bard I believe her name was
or beard her autism presented quite
(12:30):
differently I think than mine does but
yet I could identify with parts of it
and one of the things that she did was
she got very attached to places and I
have that a little bit and I think
there's so many ways that we try to
develop a sense of identity and I think
this is one way that we often do is by
getting very attached to place and I
(12:52):
thought so I thought that was
interesting and with you don't look
autistic which I I believe that Kathleen
Schubert but I'll put it in the show
notes she she talked a a lot about
masking and I think too in both of these
books you don't look autistic and label
me finding their calling finding their
(13:13):
their place their calling in life was
very important and for for Kathleen it
was she got into integrative medicine
and she actually had problems because
she was interviewed by a very unfriendly
kind of skeptical journalist and made to
(13:34):
look very bad in the media at one point
but she didn't give up and that's what I
think is so amazing about all these
stories one of the things is that
nobody's giving up nobody's giving up no
matter how hard it is no matter how much
they don't fit in no matter how hard it
is to find their place and to realize
their calling and to be seen and to be
(13:55):
true to themselves and to be kind to
themselves and overcome their
challenges they don't stop trying and I
think that's huge I think that's really
huge and eventually all of these people
learned to stop
masking and I think in label me
(14:16):
Francesca found a different sort of a
calling like she didn't find necessarily
A Creative calling other creative
aspects of her job having to do with
finance that she was very good at but
she found a place that felt safe to her
because for her place was important she
found it a steady job in a place that
felt safe and she was able to do well
there because of that so it's a question
(14:40):
I think of honoring ourselves and and
valuing what is important to us that is
kind of the the underlying key to all
this so I just wanted to kind of do the
reading Round Up of these books again
this is the xandre Corell series Drama
Queen by Sarah Gibbs and you don't look
(15:01):
autistic and label me and I think a
common theme in all of these which I
find really interesting is calling
finding our calling I'll put links to
all these books in the show notes
they're definitely definitely worth
reading and I would sort of like to
continue for the rest of August I'd like
tocontinue really with two topics that
(15:23):
these books kind of suggested to me and
the first is autism and career versus
calling that I'd like to talk about and
I'll mostly be sharing my experience on
this and the other one I would like to
talk about is um writing a memoir issues
around writing a memoir because that's
something I'd like to do and as I said
(15:46):
before even though people say there are
a lot of autism Memoirs out of there out
there I think there's always room for
more because I I read them all the time
I love them I think they're so helpful
some are better than others
but they all teach me something because
they're they're a human story a story of
another autistic person's struggle so I
(16:08):
want to encourage myself to write a
memoir and I want to encourage other
people to write a memoir so so these are
going to be the other two episodes I'm
going to do in the month of
August and that's it for today I I hope
you I hope you enjoyed my first reading
Roundup and I also hope that you'll
consider Following the show or
subscribing or liking it or whatever you
(16:31):
feel called to do and I will see you
again soon and our next episode will be
uh discussing career versus calling from
a autistic perspective and until then
this is Barbara Graver of autistic POV
and thank you so much for listening
this is Barbara Graver of autistic POV
(00:03):
and today we're going to be talking
about four books by autistic
authors welcome to Artistic POV my name
is Barbara Graver and I started this
podcast to share a bit of my journey as
(00:24):
a late diagnosed
autistic hi this is Barbara Graver I'm
so happy you could join me for my very
first autistic POV reading Roundup so
we're going to be talking about four
different books actually one series and
three Memoirs and the reason I chose
these books is because they all kind of
(00:45):
Center on a common theme and I this is a
theme I want to explore probably in our
next episode but I'm going to talk about
the the books in this one the first one
is a Sci-Fi series and this series is
written by Kaa sandberry sound Derby and
it's the xandre
(01:07):
Corell series and it begins with a
fantastic book called failure to
communicate the second book I'm going to
be talking about is drama queen written
by Sara Gibbs and this is amazing Memoir
it's my favorite autistic Memoir I have
read today it's fantastic and then I'm
going to talk about two other Memoirs a
(01:28):
little more briefly primarily because
they go along with the same theme and
one is called you don't look autistic
and you in this is spelled with e you
actually you don't seem autistic is the
name and the last one is label me so
we're going to talk about all these
books and I'm going to try to explain
why I like them and why I think they're
(01:50):
they're all have a lot of value and I I
do want to say with Memoir like I've
heard people say there's so many autism
Memoirs out there and that's true there
are but I feel like all of them have
value like every autistic Memoir I read
I resonate with or pick up on something
different and I find them all helpful
(02:12):
they're helpful on multiple levels I
think they're helpful in terms of making
you feel a little less alone they're
helpful in giving you insight and
they're helpful in terms of learning and
support I think they serve multiple
purposes and these books all of these
books and I just want you to kind of
keep in mind as we talk about them all
(02:34):
deal with the importance of our calling
so the first series I wanted to talk
about the first book I want to talk
about is the xandre Corell series and
this is a Sci-Fi series it's set in just
amazing world it's just a wonderful
world and the characters are great and
(02:56):
one of the things I loved about the
world was the diversity of the world and
it shows quote alien species as not all
humanoids not they're not all guys in
suits and I understand why I I watch a
lot of sci-fi and I read sci-fi and I
like sci-fi and I understand why say
Star Trek like all the quote aliens had
(03:19):
to be able to be an actor in a suit and
understand why the humanoid ideal is
always or often represented in sci-fi
and every species encountered is a
variation on the human ideal but I
really like the fact that this author
that Cara Sounder Sounder treated the
(03:42):
various races throughout the Galaxy as
being capable of evolving from different
types of life forms different species so
there there might be species that's like
dolphins there might be one that's very
like like various kinds of mammals there
might be others that are humanoid and I
thought this was a really cool way to
(04:03):
present this and the book was really
really well constructed it was plotted
out very well it was suspenseful the
characters were engaging the main
character xandre is autistic and I
thought the author did a really good job
of that of portraying the challenges and
(04:25):
the strengths of autism really well and
she is the heroine of the series she's
not a peripheral character she's the
heroine and she has unique abilities to
communicate to communicate which is
seems kind of ironic but it really the
way it's presented in the series it
isn't to communicate with different
different types of cultures and
different languages and different kinds
(04:47):
of people throughout the Galaxy because
of how she'd had to learn to do that as
an autistic and it's really well done
it's really suspenseful it's really
great series that has three books
there's a kind of a prequel called
testing Pandora then there's failure to
communicate and then there's tone of
(05:09):
voice that's book two testing Pandora is
book zero failure to communicate is book
one and tone of voice is book two and I
hope she writes book three I really do
and I I really liked the theme of this
of the autistic protagonist struggling
struggling with people struggling with
(05:30):
her past struggling with all kinds of
things but also finding her Niche she
finds her niche in this she finds her
calling and that's kind of a theme with
all these books and and I think it's
important theme and the second book I
wanted to talk about is a memoir by Sara
Gibbs and that is called Drama Queen
because that was something she was told
all her life that she was being dramatic
(05:53):
and that's a very common charge I think
that's leveled at autistics it may come
in various kind of deliveries but it's a
common thing that's said and she focuses
a lot she focuses obviously on her
childhood everyone talks about their
childhood in these Memoirs but she also
focuses a lot on her work life and she
(06:15):
does an excellent job of showing how she
didn't fit in in the standard office 9
to5 and why and how other people treated
her and how unfairly she was treated and
what a double standard really there was
for people who were neur neurotypical
and people who were autistic and and she
(06:36):
was diagnosed relatively late in life
and I identified with a lot of what she
said now not everything I never identify
with everything people say in these
Memoirs and I don't really think you
should but I did identify with the fact
that she was always making these Fresh
Starts and that was something I did uh
really all my life so she would just get
(06:58):
overwhelmed and she would walk away from
things like jobs and make a fresh start
and she was always making a fresh start
and I used to do that too I actually I
think between the ages of maybe 17 and
20 I I didn't live anywhere and by
anywhere I mean different states
different cities for more than six
(07:19):
months I just kept leaving and making
these Fresh Starts that always failed
and she has the same mentality she's
like another fresh start and so I really
really identified with that and another
thing she talked about that I found
really insightful is obsessiveness and
for her a lot of her obsess obsessions
(07:41):
had to do with relationship she would
get very very obsessed with either
someone she was in a relationship with
or someone she just had a crush on she
even called it her Crush monster an
interesting thing is she talked about
how once she found out she was autistic
that kind of went away and the reason it
(08:02):
went away was because she understood
that she was looking for something she
was looking for an answer in these these
Partners in these romantic Partners she
was trying to find an answer and once
she found out she was autistic she had
an answer for why life was so difficult
for her and she didn't need to do that
anymore and I thought that was brilliant
(08:24):
and I've kind of experienced that too
and and I'll talk a little bit more
about maybe we'll do episode on
spirituality at some point but for me my
answer was not so much relationships
although I did some of that but
spirituality I was always looking for an
answer in terms of either organized
religion or different specific spiritual
(08:46):
practice and I I went through so many
religions and so many spiritual
practices I was like The Perennial
seeker and I would go kind of from one
thing to another and
not just when I found out I was autistic
but when I started to really think about
it and integrate it and understand it
(09:08):
and kind of gain some perspective
because of it that need to be immersing
myself in different spiritual practices
just kind of evaporated it was really
really surprising it just isn't really
there anymore and when I read that in
Sara gibbs's book I thought her Crush
monster for me it was like crushes on
spirituality more the same thing kind of
(09:31):
happened to me and I thought that's
really interesting so I'm kind of
curious if anyone else has had that
experience and the other thing I really
appreciated in in Sarah gibbs's book in
um drama queen was that she needed to
find out what it is she did and it
turned out to be writing comedy and the
(09:52):
book is just brilliantly funny and I
think that's that's a testament to how
much this was her calling and I feel
personally that people with Autism are
probably more focused on calling and
career than a lot of neurotypical people
I think it's often times very Central to
who we are at least it's Central to who
(10:14):
I am and trying to find my calling has
been something that has kind of haunted
me all my life and I was always very
creative in terms of writing and art and
yet I couldn't couldn't ever really find
where I belonged so I find it
interesting that in all of these books
the fiction and the Memoir that was also
(10:37):
a big theme and SAR Gibbs could not
function an office environment no matter
how hard she tried and yet when she
began to explore comedy which is a
really challenging thing to be a
comedian or to to write comedy is very
competitive I'm sure and very
challenging I I'm sure the bars set very
(10:58):
high as this the case with a lot of
creative things but I think particularly
comedy it's it's that's a tough pick
it's a really tough pick and yet that
was where she excelled and I found that
very interesting and and it just did me
good to read the story of somebody who
struggled kind of like I struggled when
I worked as a nurse in an office
(11:21):
environment I was never never part of
the the in group The Office politics
were kind of always skewed against me
and and I'll talk more about that I
think in another episode but it's so
difficult and like Sara says it's not
about doing your job she always did her
job very well it was about the social
aspect of fitting in in the office and
(11:45):
that was my experience too and I think a
lot of us have that experience so I just
love to see that she quote made it I
love to see that she became a comedy
writer and that that she wrote this
amazing book is just a good thing
to uh to know so I love that and then
the two other books I'm just going to
mention briefly were you don't look
(12:08):
autistic and that's you with the letter
you and label me and these were both
books written by autistic women and I
really especially liked label me because
the author of label me her autism
presented a little bit differently
Franchesca Bard I believe her name was
or beard her autism presented quite
(12:30):
differently I think than mine does but
yet I could identify with parts of it
and one of the things that she did was
she got very attached to places and I
have that a little bit and I think
there's so many ways that we try to
develop a sense of identity and I think
this is one way that we often do is by
getting very attached to place and I
(12:52):
thought so I thought that was
interesting and with you don't look
autistic which I I believe that Kathleen
Schubert but I'll put it in the show
notes she she talked a a lot about
masking and I think too in both of these
books you don't look autistic and label
me finding their calling finding their
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their place their calling in life was
very important and for for Kathleen it
was she got into integrative medicine
and she actually had problems because
she was interviewed by a very unfriendly
kind of skeptical journalist and made to
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look very bad in the media at one point
but she didn't give up and that's what I
think is so amazing about all these
stories one of the things is that
nobody's giving up nobody's giving up no
matter how hard it is no matter how much
they don't fit in no matter how hard it
is to find their place and to realize
their calling and to be seen and to be
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true to themselves and to be kind to
themselves and overcome their
challenges they don't stop trying and I
think that's huge I think that's really
huge and eventually all of these people
learned to stop
masking and I think in label me
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Francesca found a different sort of a
calling like she didn't find necessarily
A Creative calling other creative
aspects of her job having to do with
finance that she was very good at but
she found a place that felt safe to her
because for her place was important she
found it a steady job in a place that
felt safe and she was able to do well
there because of that so it's a question
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I think of honoring ourselves and and
valuing what is important to us that is
kind of the the underlying key to all
this so I just wanted to kind of do the
reading Round Up of these books again
this is the xandre Corell series Drama
Queen by Sarah Gibbs and you don't look
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autistic and label me and I think a
common theme in all of these which I
find really interesting is calling
finding our calling I'll put links to
all these books in the show notes
they're definitely definitely worth
reading and I would sort of like to
continue for the rest of August I'd like
tocontinue really with two topics that
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these books kind of suggested to me and
the first is autism and career versus
calling that I'd like to talk about and
I'll mostly be sharing my experience on
this and the other one I would like to
talk about is um writing a memoir issues
around writing a memoir because that's
something I'd like to do and as I said
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before even though people say there are
a lot of autism Memoirs out of there out
there I think there's always room for
more because I I read them all the time
I love them I think they're so helpful
some are better than others
but they all teach me something because
they're they're a human story a story of
another autistic person's struggle so I
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want to encourage myself to write a
memoir and I want to encourage other
people to write a memoir so so these are
going to be the other two episodes I'm
going to do in the month of
August and that's it for today I I hope
you I hope you enjoyed my first reading
Roundup and I also hope that you'll
consider Following the show or
subscribing or liking it or whatever you
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feel called to do and I will see you
again soon and our next episode will be
uh discussing career versus calling from
a autistic perspective and until then
this is Barbara Graver of autistic POV
and thank you so much for listening
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