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We speak our words, we listen,we speak our words, we listen.
We speak our words.
We listen.
We speak our words.
We listen.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
That's quite a full house
Speaker 3 (00:19):
today.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hi everybody.
I did a couple of thingsthis week real autism things.
I went to the chemist to get myprescription when I walked in the woman
just stood there looking at me andI just stood looking at her and not
looking at her, looking at the shelf.
And then I had to say.
You need to ask me if you canhelp me, because I can't move from
(00:43):
where we are now until you ask me.
And then she said, can I help you?
And it was all right.
And the other thing, this is daf,but I was in the supermarket and
, the tinned meat I wanted to buy,they've put the cardboard tray with
the labels facing the wrong way.
So I lifted the cardboard tray outand put it the right way round.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I think, I do some things like that.
The same , if you remember, I wasin a hospital waiting room and when
I was there I couldn't help myself,but change the way the posters on
the wall that had been slipping downand put them in a better format, a
little bit clearer and more ordered.
I think tidying thumbs up is somethingthat just gives us a bit of relief
(01:28):
sometimes as a stim, isn't it?
I
Speaker 2 (01:30):
think the
Speaker 3 (01:30):
other
Speaker 2 (01:30):
thing was, 'cause I wasn't wearing my lanyard and autism card and
I always feel that's like my shield.
It helps me and without that,I mean I was just frozen.
Plus after two weeks ago when Ihad the bad week, this last week
was supposed to be the reset andso yeah, it has been a reset.
So things were better.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I'm curious about the first person, because if somebody
says to you, you have to do thisbefore I can go on somewhere else.
They could react to that quite badly.
Were they kind to you?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I did say I have autism and I can't do anything until
you asked me if you can help me.
And she said, oh yeah,I forgot you had autism.
They were really nice about it.
So that was a good thing.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Oh, how lovely.
So they kind of knew you, theyknew something about you, they
knew you were a bit weird andthey didn't take it as an offense.
How beautiful.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I was pleased it, it went the way it went.
Normally I would go in and justsay, can I have my prescription?
But I didn't have that card and aftera week where everything was just
upside down and I was reestablishingmy routine and I just needed the
things to be just about right.
But yeah, , it was nice.
The fact that she said, oh yeah, you'vegot autism., I forgot that was nice.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I avoid all that 'cause I have all my medications delivered to me.
They come through thepost box, which is fine.
I don't have to tackle places like that.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah.
They keep saying that they want to sendme a text message when things are ready
and, but it's the way I do things, so Ikeep doing things the way that I do them.
But I was just glad that it all went well
Tuesdays.
Would normally have been a cinema day,third Tuesday of the month, but there
was nothing on, and there's a Christmasmarket in town and I don't really
(03:19):
wanna fight through crowds or anything.
And so it was the Tuesday morningso it was a two mile walk.
So the exercise was good as well.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I went down to the market this weekend and it was so full of
people, it was just a bewilderingand , they've put all the Christmas
stuff up now way too early.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, Robbie , I find most people are fine.
The only thing is theysometimes fantasize us.
And they talk to us like . We're eightyears old and I can just let that go.
'cause they usually mean, well
Speaker 5 (03:51):
gr Do you live in a small town or, I'm not sure how, towns and
villages and cities are measured whereyou live, but is it a smaller place?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It's a small place, it's called hides.
There are two hides in the southof England, this Ishy in Hampshire.
And so if I walk out my door, , twominutes, and I'm on the edge of the new
forest, so it's all countryside and I'mthree miles from Southampton, but there's
a massive river estuary in the way.
(04:25):
So it's a 12 mile drive to get there.
But yeah, it's in the countryside.
I couldn't live anywhere else.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
That sounds nice.
But , I guess you getused to where you are.
I've noticed that I'm better offin a big city because I can be
anonymous, if that makes sense.
I lived until I was seven in a town.
Everybody in this town seemed to knoweverybody, and then I don't know why.
(04:57):
I'd rather disappear.
But for you, I thought the interactionwith the woman sounded very good.
Lovely.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah.
It's almost as though it's asmall town feeling because the
community really around him.
He's made them aware of his autism andthey're making adjustments for him, and
that can happen just on a street levelin a city as well as in a small place.
Robbie says that he is sometimesreluctant to tell people he's autistic
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because some people assume the supportthat I need rather than listening
for me to tell them what I need.
And he also says that Christmas is anightmare for shopping because he's
limited storage place in the flat,and he will have to go for a couple of
weeks without buying meat because hewill only buy meat in the butcher shop.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, a friend of mine came up from Portsmouth a few
years ago, and when he saw where Ilived, he just couldn't believe it.
He said, you live in the countryside.
, At night it's fantastic.
It's absolutely quiet.
When I was in Glasgow at the end ofAugust, right in the center and I was
stood outside the hotel at 11 o'clockat night and it was unbelievable.
There were cars, sirens, peopleshouting, and I said to the security
(06:21):
guard outside the hotel, I said, doyou know, I really can't believe this.
I can't believe the amount of noise.
Because where I live, if someone slamsa car door at 11 o'clock at night, the
next day it's in all the newspapers.
That's how, quiet it is here.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
One thing I also noticed, and I'm looking at where you live
on a map and you live near anenormous Forest National Park.
It must be really dark at night too.
Here where I live in the city,I don't think it's ever dark.
The sky is blue at night,like there's no darkness.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
The only thing is I'm a mile away from a massive oil refinery,
so that lights things up at night.
But otherwise, if you go outin the forest, it's pitch.
Black
Speaker 3 (07:08):
ray in the text describes the city as a constant hum, and Robbie
says that he tries to buy food insmall independent shops around him.
He can't cope with largesupermarkets, particularly.
He feels bullied when they're.
Insisting that you use self-checkouts.
I'm quite keen on self-checkoutsbecause I don't have to
(07:29):
interact with people as often.
Sometimes , I'm up for the practicedsmall talk with the person behind the
belt who's been told that they have to be.
Very welcoming to customers and they haveto go through their customer service,
small talk, and , I find out a bitmuch so I actually use the automatic
(07:49):
ones to avoid the whole thing, butyou know, of course it's for courses.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I'm the same.
I love an automatic checkout.
Do it myself, bag it myself,just walk outta the shop.
Fine.
I live in a little cathedral city, wil is really odd because you're
only really a very short way awayfrom the fields and the farmland.
So you have patches of busy andthen patches of absolute nothing
.I live very close to Stonehenge.
(08:15):
And it's odd because we get in thesummer, lots of people coming in
and then it makes it very busy.
'cause we are a tourist, location.
And in the winter it all dies down,so it could be quiet and loud.
, It's very variable.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Did you see anything when Spinal tap were filming at
Stonehenge about three months ago.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
No, we missed it and we found out about it too late.
, If we'd gone, that would've beenbrilliant because we're literally
just a short drive away from it.
We'd pass it quite a lot.
, I found out about that just too late.
I was really cutted.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I do my shop every Wednesday morning very early, so it's
quiet, but on occasion I have to.
Go back to pick up all bits andbobs, but that's usually later.
And I hate it if they're playingmusic, it's not too bad for me,
but people just clogging up theaisles and you can't get through.
(09:08):
So, that's the little mini top up,then I always use the self-service
tills 'cause it's just so much quicker.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
One thing about the city here, it's so big that tellers,
it's like the training Julestalked about, about being friendly.
They also can do it completely mute.
It's like they get a read on the personand will do the whole thing silent.
My sister tried to live in the big citywhen I first did, but would not stand it.
(09:39):
She she used to kind of do the oppositeof what an autistic person might do.
She would demand engagementlike, hello, like she would
insist meaningful small talk.
She thinks there's great meaning in it,and I of course love treatment, but.
(10:03):
I live near a university, so thegrocery store is very small, even
the conveyor belts are short.
And the scale of everything is small.
And at the beginning of the schoolyear, you'll find parents may be
from places where they have thoseincredibly large, frightening
(10:24):
grocery stores that are miles inside.
And they just don't know what to do.
Even the carts are smaller and , theyjust seem, dumbfounded by the whole thing.
That's the time of the year that I can'tstand going places because they don't
navigate the sidewalks or anything.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Ray says that he finds FS difficult and.
Robbie Agrees says he finds pewsdifficult because large, supermarkets
deliberately have fewer staff checkoutsto push people to self checkouts,
and Robbie points out though heneeds to use cash because if he uses
cash, he knows how much money he'sspending and that's easier when you've
(11:04):
got a teller there in front of you.
. Spray changes a subject onto thinkingabout this sound and light saying that,
aren't there designated sound and lightfree areas for observation where you are?
I know that here in Scottish Borders,we have special places where people go
out into the countryside specificallyto look at the, the dark skies, the dark
(11:25):
sky area, but not everyone has that.
Is that something people recognize?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah.
Robbie, I, draw cash on Tuesday.
That's groceries, petrol, lotteryticket, and chip shop on a Saturday.
So I use cash, but if I'musing self-service, it's
only a couple of items I use.
Card and in our local Tesco, theyhad a sign up a few years ago saying
that they would dim the lightsand turn the music off at nine
(11:54):
o'clock on a Wednesday for an hour.
I'll be honest with you, Ihaven't noticed that at all.
I think when you've got fluorescentstrip lighting, you can't dim it anyway.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Oh, I've heard of that.
That does sound nice.
We have outside in Ontario these thingscalled dark sky preserves, but they're far
away from cities for astronomy, I guess.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Wheelchair's got this kind of aura about it, where it has big
section where people just sky watch. There are places out here where people
can just sit in complete darkness andwatch the stars and it's quite lovely.
It's nice.
I live in a really good areaI could be busy if I want to.
I can get to the quiet if I want to.
(12:41):
It's better than when I lived in London
Speaker 5 (12:43):
I looked up and there's a Canadian making a
cameo in that Spinal Tap two.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah., They released Spinal Tap two and it was, it really bombed.
But the concert at Stonehengewas was filmed about a week
before the film came out.
I was quite surprised when afriend told me, because I said,
well, they're gonna have a jobshoehorn in that into the movie, but
apparently they're releasing course.
It sounds like an advert now, doesn't it?
Coming soon.
(13:09):
Spinal Tap live at Stonehenge.
On imax.
Yeah, they're releasing a secondfilm of the Stonehenge concert.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
I think.
I'll try to watch the filmanyway, because, , was Spinal Tap.
Not a sleeper, you know, where it grewon people and became kind of more, I
think you're gonna love it or hate it.
I feel like I wouldlove it no matter what.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I think the way things work now is it's all based
on first weekends and cinemas
.There aren't many small cinemas anymore, . Midnight shows and
things like that are gone.
Sleeper hits, I think area thing of the past now.
Either bombs does mediocreor you get the odd one.
Outliers like Barbie and Oppenheimer,that do really well the whole
(13:52):
way the movie business works.
They'll make their money back onstreaming and stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Luckily for me, I can see right out the window here
we have this small, independent.
It's not really independent.
Now, some rich family ownsit, but they leave it alone
and it's mostly documentaries.
But on Easter morning, theyhave the Jesus Christ Superstar
sing along and all of that.
So they will definitely play it, but theymight only play it three times . Next
(14:21):
week, I'm going there to see that Orwelltwo plus two equals five with my daughter.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
I thought live concerts were banned at Stonehill.
You know, like in the eighties,it, uh, got clamped down on
Speaker 2 (14:34):
that was Travelers going there for the solstice thing and they would go
into a field nearby and have a concert.
I think, the spinal tap thing, I believe,'cause I haven't seen this, but I, I
believe they set up a stage in everything.
So they had to have permissionfrom National Trust or, British
Heritage or whoever owned the site.
So they would've got permission for that.
(14:55):
They would've paid be able to do that.
Yeah.
Money talk.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Not that it's cheap to go there.
By the way,
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I went there about mid seventies.
And there was nothing there andthe stones weren't fenced off.
You could actually walkamong the stones as well.
Probably got photograph of itsomewhere, but I don't think
there was a visitor center there.
I think you parked on one side of theroad and there was a subway under the
(15:23):
road to get to the stones, and I thinkthere might have been a small gift
shop, but there wasn't much else there.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
They have buses there that take all the tourists.
So it's probably verydifferent now to back then.
And you're allowed round, but youcan't go anywhere near, but they
still do open it when it gets thesolstice and people do go up there.
I know people go there everyyear and it's very busy,
but it's a really contentiousthing because it's right on a road.
They're really worried about theconservation of the stones and there's
(15:51):
been so much bother over it 'causethey're trying to work out the best way of
protecting that national heritage thing.
But that road is so slow 'cause people cansee the stones as they're driving past.
So there's always a log jam
Speaker 2 (16:05):
When I used to do highways inspection and I could
literally write a playlist.
I'd be walking around and suddenlysomething would ping in my head
and I'd think, oh, I haven'tplayed that song for a while.
It was like a radio playing in my head.
I am the
Speaker 6 (16:18):
digi.
I am what I play.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
I was in my son's small town yesterday.
I might have said that earlier.
I'm like really burnt out todaybecause as I said, small towns.
Anyway, I keep thinking aboutthis line in Tragically Hip song.
I come from downtown and then my son will.
He'll get me and carry on with the lyrics.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
There was a song I saw, someone written something.
I thought that's a songtitle and I couldn't find it
it was a who song it's on.
Who are You?
I can't remember what it was, but atthe time I just couldn't remember.
It was by the Who, but the songwas just going round in my head.
But , this is the thing,if that happens at night.
I would have to comedownstairs and look it up,
Speaker 5 (17:03):
me too, and then for that whole week, once a day, some other
thing that was related to it somehowwould cause another search each day.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Did I ever mention when I tried to learn how to play life on Mars on
acoustic guitar and concentrated so hardon it, I couldn't get sleep that night.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Technically gonna sleep would improve your playing of it the next day
though, because I think in your sleep, youprocess it in your brain in a better way.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
It was just the chords, the chord progression,
it's, it was written on piano.
So you do it on guitar was justlike high concentration and then
I just couldn't get outta my head.
So a warning for those whoare sensitive to these things.
Have you ever heard of achap called Billy Ritchie?
Ray?
We've discussed this.
Lucy Online or with Dave?
(17:58):
I have, yeah.
Billy who was like the, one of thepioneers of progressive rock music in the
1960s and played in clubs with your man.
. Speaker 4: It was all wrong place, wrong time, and they never
really got a, a foothold anywhere.
And I think it all went a bit wrongfor Billy, so he chucked it away.
And then he just went on the same circuitas Dave, and that's where he met him.
(18:19):
, He's an unknown treasure , he'snot part of the canon as it
were, so people ignore him.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Back in 2006, I was doing a week's work for Southampton City
Council and there was a, a young girlthere with me and I came in one morning
and , the supervisor says, how are you?
And I said, , I'm a bit sad 'cause Ijust found out a friend of mine died,
a musician, and the supervisor says.
(18:47):
Oh, who's that?
And I said, you wouldn'thave heard of him.
His name's Nikki Sutton.
And, young girl, shecan't have been 18 or 19.
Went, Nikki Sutton's dead.
And she was actually quite shockedand upset herself, , and it turned out
her father was a big water boys fan.
And the, the first lineup of the waterboys were Nicky Sutton's backing band.
(19:09):
And so she knew Nicky Suton was,and that was quite surprising 'cause
you never meet anyone who knew him.
Of him.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Yeah.
There's all these worlds out there.
I'm just noticing Robbie's been puttingthe wee bit input into the text there.
He often wants to listento songs He sometimes can't
remember the artist or title.
Oh yeah.
The Earworm.
Yeah.
And he also says Songs I wantto play are often difficult.
Yeah.
(19:36):
I remember a time when I wouldjust simplify songs and then
they would never sound the sameas what I remember them being.
And then finally he says they're often notpopular songs, so it's often difficult to
find the chords or lyrics or sheep music.
Yeah, you like German music.
I remember when I was very fond ofBrazilian music and it was very hard
(19:58):
to find the sheep music for that.
So it was like slow down the recordplayer and try and learn it that way
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I live with a very musical person, but I don't know the
technical side of anything, can'tplay any instrument, but I saw a
really good video about the band.
They might be Giants the otherday was one of my absolute,
top bands when I was a kid.
Their songs and all the cool progressionsin them . And I just wish I had the
wherewithal to be able to understand it.
(20:25):
I've just got no kind of musical theory
Speaker 2 (20:29):
in my head.
I was in a couple of bands in theearly eighties and never got out
of rehearsal room and back 11 yearsago in the dark times when I had
a bit of money,, I bought a guitarramp 'cause I still had the guitar.
I never got around to the,still upstairs in the box.
And a couple of months ago I waswith a friend in Southampton and
(20:53):
we went into this new shop 'causethey were selling vinyl records.
And I went around the corner and therewas, 'cause they sold guitars and
there was a left-handed Strat copy
and I was just so tempted.
And the guy behind the counter, Isaid, I'm just so tempted by that.
But I didn't buy it.
I dunno if I would make the time.
I will.
(21:13):
One day maybe
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Robbie says he wants to listen to his song, but sometimes
he can't remember the artist ortitle and the song he wants to
play are often difficult to find.
They're not popular songs, soit's difficult to find the chords
or the lyrics or cheap music.
Sometimes he hears a song using thesame tune as a more well-known song.
I think there's Shazam.
(21:35):
Which might help with that.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Yeah, there's one or two where you play it, you let it hear
the song and it tells you what it is.
All depends how deep the library is.
I thought you were gonna maybe talkabout this thing about innovation
and the art and creativity.
When you try to approximate somethingand you give it your best shot,
you're nowhere near it, but whatyou create is kinda inspiring.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah, I think that's where it comes from, isn't it?
That changing somethingthat misheard that.
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Or like fan art.
I'm a lot like Lucy.
I don't have any musical talent,but tons of exposure to it.
I have an account, one of the bigmusic stores here, because I married
a guy in a big jazz fusion band.
And, and other kinds of music,but that required a lot of stuff.
(22:30):
And then I had a son who is verymusical and,, became a luthier and
played all kinds of instruments.
I just thought to myself, myjob is to provide strings and
instruments and this is great.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
My house is packed with guitars.
I've got four standingby me at the moment.
I've got two over thatsize, two over that size.
There's a , really old guitar thatDave's got, which he bought when
he was very, very young, and he gotit from Denmark Street in London.
And apparently, although thishasn't been verified, it used to
belong to Nile Rogers from Sheik.
(23:10):
We've not been able to reallypull that in at the moment.
We've actually spoken to somebody whoknows Noah Rogers and he says he doesn't
remember leaving this guitar in this shop.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
There's always something to his story.
So I believe it untilit's absolutely disproven.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I was unemployed when I took up the guitar and.
So I'd be sat at home and I would add aguitar chord book, and I just memorized
the chords and learn to finger them.
Bad, turn of phrase.
The thing is, when I went down in anyof the bands I was with and the guitar
(23:44):
player said, I've got this song, I couldpick it up really quickly because I'm
left-handed and they were right-handed.
So it was literally likestanding in front of a mirror.
So that when they did the cord shapes onthe neck, I could just copy that really
easily 'cause it was just like a mirror.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
That's cool.
But this week also, I wasthinking about guitar face.
I'm sure everybody knows what I mean.
If anybody does it, let us know.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
I was thinking about this, Keith Richards quote when
he met you too, and it said onthem, place some of your songs.
And they played some of theirsongs and they went, can't really
get a sing along at a party.
Going to some of those.
I think it changed the way you twowrote songs later on when they had big
hits, , which were sing along party hits.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
He, said something like, play me the songs that inspired you,
that where your music comes from.
Because of course he, he can refer back tothe old chess blues and dealt with blues
players and they couldn't do that., Theirmusic hadn't come from anything as such.
And that's when they went off andstarted doing rattling hum with choirs
(24:59):
and BB King and, , trying to findsome sort of roots for their music.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Yeah.
It's like all these bands that came upwith New Wave and post punk, you couldn't
really play those songs to anybody becausethey were very basic and primitive and.
So they went rock and roll, didn't they?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Tell this quick story a guy I used to work with and he said
a friend of his used to go round toall the parties and he would always
carry his copy of Ray's, gonna get thistrout mask replica by Captain Behar.
And he would, he'd keep going onuntil they put it on the record
player and then the party would,just die and people would leave.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Yeah, we used to know guys like that.
They didn't last long
Speaker 3 (25:43):
in the text.
Robbie, who we know as an artist,a performer, somebody that jams
online and in groups says thathe has numerous instruments, that
he still has not done to play.
Bit of a collector.
And when he plays, he doesn'taim to copy the artist.
Exactly.
So it's going back to this evolutionthing you were talking about Ray,
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but he also admits that he haswell over 2,500 compact discs.
Of different genres, differentlanguages, and from all over the world.
So there's a whole collecting thinggoing on there when he chooses a song,
he will only play songs that he likes.
He will also play some songs.
People will know, and then somethat people are unlikely to know.
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I usually play a song thatis not in English in my set.
So he's talking about mixing thingsup and bringing things together as an
artist and developing things in that way.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
I was reading this week about how The Beatles wrote me Shell on the
Rubber Soul album, which has French in it.
Apparently it was inspired byone of my heroes, Nina Simone.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I must have in excess of 300 CDs just by the Rolling Stones.
. I've got a huge amount of DylanHendricks, Neil Young, I've got hundreds.
I, I've never counted them.
, Speaker 3 (27:07):
This library collecting?
What's behind this and what doesthat say about experience of autism?
Speaker 6 (27:15):
I think curating is like what we used to talk about
as editing as an autistic trait.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I used to write a lot for Stones, fan zines, and I used to help
compile tele television appearances.
I used to keep a note of itand research things in books.
There's a website called the RollingStones Complete Works database, which I've
contributed to, and that is everything.
And that's exhaustive.
If you ever want to know anything aboutthe stones, that's not gossipy, if you
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want to know about recording sessions,concerts, interviews, it's all on there.
I
Speaker 6 (27:47):
don't know how painful it's for people to hear stories about throwing
stuff out, but I go through Purs everynow and then, and I've been doing one
recently and this weekend I went down tosee an old book dealer I used to know in
his shop just basically try and figureout after five years of, I still had
tick with them or some kind of credit.
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And he couldn't remember, but Ihad a 35 quid book in my hand,
which I'd been after for a while.
And, he gave it to me for nothing.
So that worked out.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I think at the peak I had 1,200 plus audio cassettes of Rolling Stones,
unreleased studio material concert tapes.
And I have thrown a few out,but getting rid of anything.
If I buy a cd, even if I don'tlike it, it goes on the shelf.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Jules has just said in text, influence is a word I like
to use about this sort of thing.
This idea of , collecting and isit the influence upon us or the
influence we wanna then give out?
Because sometimes I see all is currency.
It's all a flow.
And if you're gonna givestuff away, give it away.
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Good causes or generate moreinterest because there's no days or
archive gonna collect all my stuff.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
I think I was the one who typed that, and then Jules
was prompting me to vocalize it.
So yes.
But going further back in theconversation, it's everything.
When Robbie said.
He doesn't aim to play the songexactly as the artist did, but put
his own stamp on it, which thenleads to lots of conversations.
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I think it's also true when GR talksabout finding lyrics just in the
everyday world, and then I thinkit's something Ray, you do when the
talk of one artist or Lucy does it.
It'll just lead you down aninfluence road in your head.
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So making all of these connections.
But then sometimes when you're listeningto a musician and , you'll hear like,
a little snatch where they've takenjust some musicality from somebody
else and woven it into their eithera single song or their whole style.
I used to belong to a poetry collectivefor several years, and we named
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it I Fluency, and we would invitepoets to come and we would choose to
each time who we thought might haveinfluenced each other, and sometimes
they didn't realize they even had
Speaker 2 (30:30):
With The Stones.
I bought my first album in 78, whichwas their latest album, and then a
week later I bought their first album.
And of course, things had changed a lotin 15 years, so I had to investigate
that, I went back to their roots.
My collection goes right the way back.
I think the oldest song inmy collection is Charlie Papa
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Jackson recorded in 1925 or 1926,
And these things all connect together.
, It's like a, a pattern, a web.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Yeah, I think we get an early formative experience and a fascination
and it doesn't leave us and it kindamutates over the years and other things.
Sometimes it's driven out of us,in some kinda vague exorcism,
but, usually they persist.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
It's also with films like when I was very small, it was Dr. Who and
Star Trek, and they're still around now.
Then Star Wars came along andchanged everything and Star Wars has
Speaker 6 (31:33):
stood around.
I have a feeling it's like, a earlyexperience of finding another world.
If you are not happy with the oneyou're in, you find this other one.
Currently I'm looking at this oldbookie mine that I've dredged out called
what we Find When We Look Under Rocks.
One of my favorite books.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Okay, so when I was a kid there wasn't much music in my house and
I shared a room with my sister and shewas very pop, she liked Adam and the
ants and everything that was popular.
But I used to listen through the warto my brother's music 'cause my two
brothers lived in the room next door.
And so that kind of sent me on a bit ofa path because there were things like
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the Dave Kennedy's, and, public image.
And so , I was I.
Sort of tutored through the wallwith this other thing that actually
I liked so much better than whatwas going on in my own room.
So it was my brother that reallyintroduced me to a lot of things
and told me about different music.
And then later on with Dave.
So I've always had somebodyto educate me musically.
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I'm not very good at educatingmyself 'cause I really
don't understand half of it.
And a lot of it is lost to me.
But it's good to havesomething to guide you through
Speaker 6 (32:43):
one of your online friends.
Marina Oregon has a radio show thathas been inspiring me recently.
It's on FM and is ontonight at nine o'clock.
So tune in.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
She'll really appreciate that.
Marina Organ is somebody who's beenin my life since I was very young.
'cause she went to all the same gigs asme and she used to put out a fan zine,
like a paper fan zine called The Organ.
So she's always been reallyclosely associated to being
the things that I love.
I talk to her all the time.
She's, she's, she's lovely and yes,she does a fantastic show of a Sunday.
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If you can catch it, you should,
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I think with music and.
Especially with Star Trek, there'strying to find a tribe, a place where
you feel that you can fit in or aplace where you'll be welcomed or it's
something that just, gives you comfort.
Going back to , the s Silverman book,NeuroTribes, he said that people
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with autism like science fictionbecause they feel like they're alien.
They're aliens in this world andthey, they identify with that.
I dunno if that's true though.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
I would throw in a lot of genres there, like
detective stories as well.
But robbie mentions in texts that aband called, or an artist called Daran
as a version of Heroes by David Bowie.
Many have tried, many have failed.
I'd love to hear the Tan's version.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
I, love how Robbie says his favorite band, Nevada 10, he
found after seeing a poster in adocumentary, and it looked interesting,
so he looked them up on YouTube.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
I did that once with a, I think it was a Hungarian TV series.
I was watching a couple years back andit was all about late seventies punks,
early eighties punks in Europe, and theyhad a poster on their bedroom door and
it was some kind of German band, like thedressed in dolls or something like that.
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And I thought, I've never heard them.
Let's look them up.
And they became something I quite enjoy.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Somebody's asked in the text what?
Music resonates with me.
, Unlike the people here, I'mreally uneducated with music.
I like to hear the things thatwere around when I was young.
I don't know the names of them.
, I couldn't even tell you which punk bandplayed the different things I listened to.
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Unlike many autistic people,,that hasn't become one of my.
Concerns.
Just having music as a general backgroundand having other people to curate it.
Listening to music as an album orlistening to music when somebody has
a radio program and they've curated itall together is where I consume music.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
Yeah.
I think for a lot of people,music can be functional.
I think theresa was asking about, doesanyone have guilty pleasure songs?
Yeah.
Well, you know, endless.
I was going to say, Hey, musicis my first love and burst
into John May there for you.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
How about the new film that's coming out soon with big Hollywood actors
playing tribute acts of Neil Diamondand then you listen to these things
that maybe when I was young I thought,this is my parents' cheesy music.
But I listen to it now and I think,wow, you know, that's got something,
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that's got energy, that's got life.
Over to Lucy really
Speaker 4 (36:19):
speaking about the least musically good person.
But yeah, we know aboutthat Neil Diamond film.
We saw a trailer for it and Dave says no
Speaker 6 (36:27):
It's just that thing that these biopics being kind like
chronologically inaccurate, but youcan't expect them to be accurate.
But yeah, crunchy granola sweetis one of my favorite songs.
We speak our words, we listen,we speak our words, we listen.
We speak our words.
We listen.
We speak our words.
We listen.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
That's quite a full house
Speaker 3 (00:19):
today.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hi everybody.
I did a couple of thingsthis week real autism things.
I went to the chemist to get myprescription when I walked in the woman
just stood there looking at me andI just stood looking at her and not
looking at her, looking at the shelf.
And then I had to say.
You need to ask me if you canhelp me, because I can't move from
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where we are now until you ask me.
And then she said, can I help you?
And it was all right.
And the other thing, this is daf,but I was in the supermarket and
, the tinned meat I wanted to buy,they've put the cardboard tray with
the labels facing the wrong way.
So I lifted the cardboard tray outand put it the right way round.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I think, I do some things like that.
The same , if you remember, I wasin a hospital waiting room and when
I was there I couldn't help myself,but change the way the posters on
the wall that had been slipping downand put them in a better format, a
little bit clearer and more ordered.
I think tidying thumbs up is somethingthat just gives us a bit of relief
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sometimes as a stim, isn't it?
I
Speaker 2 (01:30):
think the
Speaker 3 (01:30):
other
Speaker 2 (01:30):
thing was, 'cause I wasn't wearing my lanyard and autism card and
I always feel that's like my shield.
It helps me and without that,I mean I was just frozen.
Plus after two weeks ago when Ihad the bad week, this last week
was supposed to be the reset andso yeah, it has been a reset.
So things were better.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I'm curious about the first person, because if somebody
says to you, you have to do thisbefore I can go on somewhere else.
They could react to that quite badly.
Were they kind to you?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I did say I have autism and I can't do anything until
you asked me if you can help me.
And she said, oh yeah,I forgot you had autism.
They were really nice about it.
So that was a good thing.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Oh, how lovely.
So they kind of knew you, theyknew something about you, they
knew you were a bit weird andthey didn't take it as an offense.
How beautiful.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I was pleased it, it went the way it went.
Normally I would go in and justsay, can I have my prescription?
But I didn't have that card and aftera week where everything was just
upside down and I was reestablishingmy routine and I just needed the
things to be just about right.
But yeah, , it was nice.
The fact that she said, oh yeah, you'vegot autism., I forgot that was nice.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I avoid all that 'cause I have all my medications delivered to me.
They come through thepost box, which is fine.
I don't have to tackle places like that.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah.
They keep saying that they want to sendme a text message when things are ready
and, but it's the way I do things, so Ikeep doing things the way that I do them.
But I was just glad that it all went well
Tuesdays.
Would normally have been a cinema day,third Tuesday of the month, but there
was nothing on, and there's a Christmasmarket in town and I don't really
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wanna fight through crowds or anything.
And so it was the Tuesday morningso it was a two mile walk.
So the exercise was good as well.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I went down to the market this weekend and it was so full of
people, it was just a bewilderingand , they've put all the Christmas
stuff up now way too early.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, Robbie , I find most people are fine.
The only thing is theysometimes fantasize us.
And they talk to us like . We're eightyears old and I can just let that go.
'cause they usually mean, well
Speaker 5 (03:51):
gr Do you live in a small town or, I'm not sure how, towns and
villages and cities are measured whereyou live, but is it a smaller place?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It's a small place, it's called hides.
There are two hides in the southof England, this Ishy in Hampshire.
And so if I walk out my door, , twominutes, and I'm on the edge of the new
forest, so it's all countryside and I'mthree miles from Southampton, but there's
a massive river estuary in the way.
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So it's a 12 mile drive to get there.
But yeah, it's in the countryside.
I couldn't live anywhere else.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
That sounds nice.
But , I guess you getused to where you are.
I've noticed that I'm better offin a big city because I can be
anonymous, if that makes sense.
I lived until I was seven in a town.
Everybody in this town seemed to knoweverybody, and then I don't know why.
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I'd rather disappear.
But for you, I thought the interactionwith the woman sounded very good.
Lovely.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah.
It's almost as though it's asmall town feeling because the
community really around him.
He's made them aware of his autism andthey're making adjustments for him, and
that can happen just on a street levelin a city as well as in a small place.
Robbie says that he is sometimesreluctant to tell people he's autistic
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because some people assume the supportthat I need rather than listening
for me to tell them what I need.
And he also says that Christmas is anightmare for shopping because he's
limited storage place in the flat,and he will have to go for a couple of
weeks without buying meat because hewill only buy meat in the butcher shop.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, a friend of mine came up from Portsmouth a few
years ago, and when he saw where Ilived, he just couldn't believe it.
He said, you live in the countryside.
, At night it's fantastic.
It's absolutely quiet.
When I was in Glasgow at the end ofAugust, right in the center and I was
stood outside the hotel at 11 o'clockat night and it was unbelievable.
There were cars, sirens, peopleshouting, and I said to the security
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guard outside the hotel, I said, doyou know, I really can't believe this.
I can't believe the amount of noise.
Because where I live, if someone slamsa car door at 11 o'clock at night, the
next day it's in all the newspapers.
That's how, quiet it is here.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
One thing I also noticed, and I'm looking at where you live
on a map and you live near anenormous Forest National Park.
It must be really dark at night too.
Here where I live in the city,I don't think it's ever dark.
The sky is blue at night,like there's no darkness.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
The only thing is I'm a mile away from a massive oil refinery,
so that lights things up at night.
But otherwise, if you go outin the forest, it's pitch.
Black
Speaker 3 (07:08):
ray in the text describes the city as a constant hum, and Robbie
says that he tries to buy food insmall independent shops around him.
He can't cope with largesupermarkets, particularly.
He feels bullied when they're.
Insisting that you use self-checkouts.
I'm quite keen on self-checkoutsbecause I don't have to
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interact with people as often.
Sometimes , I'm up for the practicedsmall talk with the person behind the
belt who's been told that they have to be.
Very welcoming to customers and they haveto go through their customer service,
small talk, and , I find out a bitmuch so I actually use the automatic
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ones to avoid the whole thing, butyou know, of course it's for courses.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I'm the same.
I love an automatic checkout.
Do it myself, bag it myself,just walk outta the shop.
Fine.
I live in a little cathedral city, wil is really odd because you're
only really a very short way awayfrom the fields and the farmland.
So you have patches of busy andthen patches of absolute nothing
.I live very close to Stonehenge.
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And it's odd because we get in thesummer, lots of people coming in
and then it makes it very busy.
'cause we are a tourist, location.
And in the winter it all dies down,so it could be quiet and loud.
, It's very variable.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Did you see anything when Spinal tap were filming at
Stonehenge about three months ago.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
No, we missed it and we found out about it too late.
, If we'd gone, that would've beenbrilliant because we're literally
just a short drive away from it.
We'd pass it quite a lot.
, I found out about that just too late.
I was really cutted.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I do my shop every Wednesday morning very early, so it's
quiet, but on occasion I have to.
Go back to pick up all bits andbobs, but that's usually later.
And I hate it if they're playingmusic, it's not too bad for me,
but people just clogging up theaisles and you can't get through.
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So, that's the little mini top up,then I always use the self-service
tills 'cause it's just so much quicker.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
One thing about the city here, it's so big that tellers,
it's like the training Julestalked about, about being friendly.
They also can do it completely mute.
It's like they get a read on the personand will do the whole thing silent.
My sister tried to live in the big citywhen I first did, but would not stand it.
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She she used to kind of do the oppositeof what an autistic person might do.
She would demand engagementlike, hello, like she would
insist meaningful small talk.
She thinks there's great meaning in it,and I of course love treatment, but.
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I live near a university, so thegrocery store is very small, even
the conveyor belts are short.
And the scale of everything is small.
And at the beginning of the schoolyear, you'll find parents may be
from places where they have thoseincredibly large, frightening
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grocery stores that are miles inside.
And they just don't know what to do.
Even the carts are smaller and , theyjust seem, dumbfounded by the whole thing.
That's the time of the year that I can'tstand going places because they don't
navigate the sidewalks or anything.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Ray says that he finds FS difficult and.
Robbie Agrees says he finds pewsdifficult because large, supermarkets
deliberately have fewer staff checkoutsto push people to self checkouts,
and Robbie points out though heneeds to use cash because if he uses
cash, he knows how much money he'sspending and that's easier when you've
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got a teller there in front of you.
. Spray changes a subject onto thinkingabout this sound and light saying that,
aren't there designated sound and lightfree areas for observation where you are?
I know that here in Scottish Borders,we have special places where people go
out into the countryside specificallyto look at the, the dark skies, the dark
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sky area, but not everyone has that.
Is that something people recognize?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah.
Robbie, I, draw cash on Tuesday.
That's groceries, petrol, lotteryticket, and chip shop on a Saturday.
So I use cash, but if I'musing self-service, it's
only a couple of items I use.
Card and in our local Tesco, theyhad a sign up a few years ago saying
that they would dim the lightsand turn the music off at nine
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o'clock on a Wednesday for an hour.
I'll be honest with you, Ihaven't noticed that at all.
I think when you've got fluorescentstrip lighting, you can't dim it anyway.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Oh, I've heard of that.
That does sound nice.
We have outside in Ontario these thingscalled dark sky preserves, but they're far
away from cities for astronomy, I guess.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Wheelchair's got this kind of aura about it, where it has big
section where people just sky watch. There are places out here where people
can just sit in complete darkness andwatch the stars and it's quite lovely.
It's nice.
I live in a really good areaI could be busy if I want to.
I can get to the quiet if I want to.
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It's better than when I lived in London
Speaker 5 (12:43):
I looked up and there's a Canadian making a
cameo in that Spinal Tap two.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah., They released Spinal Tap two and it was, it really bombed.
But the concert at Stonehengewas was filmed about a week
before the film came out.
I was quite surprised when afriend told me, because I said,
well, they're gonna have a jobshoehorn in that into the movie, but
apparently they're releasing course.
It sounds like an advert now, doesn't it?
Coming soon.
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Spinal Tap live at Stonehenge.
On imax.
Yeah, they're releasing a secondfilm of the Stonehenge concert.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
I think.
I'll try to watch the filmanyway, because, , was Spinal Tap.
Not a sleeper, you know, where it grewon people and became kind of more, I
think you're gonna love it or hate it.
I feel like I wouldlove it no matter what.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I think the way things work now is it's all based
on first weekends and cinemas
.There aren't many small cinemas anymore, . Midnight shows and
things like that are gone.
Sleeper hits, I think area thing of the past now.
Either bombs does mediocreor you get the odd one.
Outliers like Barbie and Oppenheimer,that do really well the whole
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way the movie business works.
They'll make their money back onstreaming and stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Luckily for me, I can see right out the window here
we have this small, independent.
It's not really independent.
Now, some rich family ownsit, but they leave it alone
and it's mostly documentaries.
But on Easter morning, theyhave the Jesus Christ Superstar
sing along and all of that.
So they will definitely play it, but theymight only play it three times . Next
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week, I'm going there to see that Orwelltwo plus two equals five with my daughter.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
I thought live concerts were banned at Stonehill.
You know, like in the eighties,it, uh, got clamped down on
Speaker 2 (14:34):
that was Travelers going there for the solstice thing and they would go
into a field nearby and have a concert.
I think, the spinal tap thing, I believe,'cause I haven't seen this, but I, I
believe they set up a stage in everything.
So they had to have permissionfrom National Trust or, British
Heritage or whoever owned the site.
So they would've got permission for that.
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They would've paid be able to do that.
Yeah.
Money talk.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Not that it's cheap to go there.
By the way,
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I went there about mid seventies.
And there was nothing there andthe stones weren't fenced off.
You could actually walkamong the stones as well.
Probably got photograph of itsomewhere, but I don't think
there was a visitor center there.
I think you parked on one side of theroad and there was a subway under the
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road to get to the stones, and I thinkthere might have been a small gift
shop, but there wasn't much else there.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
They have buses there that take all the tourists.
So it's probably verydifferent now to back then.
And you're allowed round, but youcan't go anywhere near, but they
still do open it when it gets thesolstice and people do go up there.
I know people go there everyyear and it's very busy,
but it's a really contentiousthing because it's right on a road.
They're really worried about theconservation of the stones and there's
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been so much bother over it 'causethey're trying to work out the best way of
protecting that national heritage thing.
But that road is so slow 'cause people cansee the stones as they're driving past.
So there's always a log jam
Speaker 2 (16:05):
When I used to do highways inspection and I could
literally write a playlist.
I'd be walking around and suddenlysomething would ping in my head
and I'd think, oh, I haven'tplayed that song for a while.
It was like a radio playing in my head.
I am the
Speaker 6 (16:18):
digi.
I am what I play.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
I was in my son's small town yesterday.
I might have said that earlier.
I'm like really burnt out todaybecause as I said, small towns.
Anyway, I keep thinking aboutthis line in Tragically Hip song.
I come from downtown and then my son will.
He'll get me and carry on with the lyrics.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
There was a song I saw, someone written something.
I thought that's a songtitle and I couldn't find it
it was a who song it's on.
Who are You?
I can't remember what it was, but atthe time I just couldn't remember.
It was by the Who, but the songwas just going round in my head.
But , this is the thing,if that happens at night.
I would have to comedownstairs and look it up,
Speaker 5 (17:03):
me too, and then for that whole week, once a day, some other
thing that was related to it somehowwould cause another search each day.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Did I ever mention when I tried to learn how to play life on Mars on
acoustic guitar and concentrated so hardon it, I couldn't get sleep that night.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Technically gonna sleep would improve your playing of it the next day
though, because I think in your sleep, youprocess it in your brain in a better way.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
It was just the chords, the chord progression,
it's, it was written on piano.
So you do it on guitar was justlike high concentration and then
I just couldn't get outta my head.
So a warning for those whoare sensitive to these things.
Have you ever heard of achap called Billy Ritchie?
Ray?
We've discussed this.
Lucy Online or with Dave?
(17:58):
I have, yeah.
Billy who was like the, one of thepioneers of progressive rock music in the
1960s and played in clubs with your man.
. Speaker 4: It was all wrong place, wrong time, and they never
really got a, a foothold anywhere.
And I think it all went a bit wrongfor Billy, so he chucked it away.
And then he just went on the same circuitas Dave, and that's where he met him.
(18:19):
, He's an unknown treasure , he'snot part of the canon as it
were, so people ignore him.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Back in 2006, I was doing a week's work for Southampton City
Council and there was a, a young girlthere with me and I came in one morning
and , the supervisor says, how are you?
And I said, , I'm a bit sad 'cause Ijust found out a friend of mine died,
a musician, and the supervisor says.
(18:47):
Oh, who's that?
And I said, you wouldn'thave heard of him.
His name's Nikki Sutton.
And, young girl, shecan't have been 18 or 19.
Went, Nikki Sutton's dead.
And she was actually quite shockedand upset herself, , and it turned out
her father was a big water boys fan.
And the, the first lineup of the waterboys were Nicky Sutton's backing band.
(19:09):
And so she knew Nicky Suton was,and that was quite surprising 'cause
you never meet anyone who knew him.
Of him.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Yeah.
There's all these worlds out there.
I'm just noticing Robbie's been puttingthe wee bit input into the text there.
He often wants to listento songs He sometimes can't
remember the artist or title.
Oh yeah.
The Earworm.
Yeah.
And he also says Songs I wantto play are often difficult.
Yeah.
(19:36):
I remember a time when I wouldjust simplify songs and then
they would never sound the sameas what I remember them being.
And then finally he says they're often notpopular songs, so it's often difficult to
find the chords or lyrics or sheep music.
Yeah, you like German music.
I remember when I was very fond ofBrazilian music and it was very hard
(19:58):
to find the sheep music for that.
So it was like slow down the recordplayer and try and learn it that way
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I live with a very musical person, but I don't know the
technical side of anything, can'tplay any instrument, but I saw a
really good video about the band.
They might be Giants the otherday was one of my absolute,
top bands when I was a kid.
Their songs and all the cool progressionsin them . And I just wish I had the
wherewithal to be able to understand it.
(20:25):
I've just got no kind of musical theory
Speaker 2 (20:29):
in my head.
I was in a couple of bands in theearly eighties and never got out
of rehearsal room and back 11 yearsago in the dark times when I had
a bit of money,, I bought a guitarramp 'cause I still had the guitar.
I never got around to the,still upstairs in the box.
And a couple of months ago I waswith a friend in Southampton and
(20:53):
we went into this new shop 'causethey were selling vinyl records.
And I went around the corner and therewas, 'cause they sold guitars and
there was a left-handed Strat copy
and I was just so tempted.
And the guy behind the counter, Isaid, I'm just so tempted by that.
But I didn't buy it.
I dunno if I would make the time.
I will.
(21:13):
One day maybe
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Robbie says he wants to listen to his song, but sometimes
he can't remember the artist ortitle and the song he wants to
play are often difficult to find.
They're not popular songs, soit's difficult to find the chords
or the lyrics or cheap music.
Sometimes he hears a song using thesame tune as a more well-known song.
I think there's Shazam.
(21:35):
Which might help with that.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Yeah, there's one or two where you play it, you let it hear
the song and it tells you what it is.
All depends how deep the library is.
I thought you were gonna maybe talkabout this thing about innovation
and the art and creativity.
When you try to approximate somethingand you give it your best shot,
you're nowhere near it, but whatyou create is kinda inspiring.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah, I think that's where it comes from, isn't it?
That changing somethingthat misheard that.
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Or like fan art.
I'm a lot like Lucy.
I don't have any musical talent,but tons of exposure to it.
I have an account, one of the bigmusic stores here, because I married
a guy in a big jazz fusion band.
And, and other kinds of music,but that required a lot of stuff.
(22:30):
And then I had a son who is verymusical and,, became a luthier and
played all kinds of instruments.
I just thought to myself, myjob is to provide strings and
instruments and this is great.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
My house is packed with guitars.
I've got four standingby me at the moment.
I've got two over thatsize, two over that size.
There's a , really old guitar thatDave's got, which he bought when
he was very, very young, and he gotit from Denmark Street in London.
And apparently, although thishasn't been verified, it used to
belong to Nile Rogers from Sheik.
(23:10):
We've not been able to reallypull that in at the moment.
We've actually spoken to somebody whoknows Noah Rogers and he says he doesn't
remember leaving this guitar in this shop.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
There's always something to his story.
So I believe it untilit's absolutely disproven.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I was unemployed when I took up the guitar and.
So I'd be sat at home and I would add aguitar chord book, and I just memorized
the chords and learn to finger them.
Bad, turn of phrase.
The thing is, when I went down in anyof the bands I was with and the guitar
(23:44):
player said, I've got this song, I couldpick it up really quickly because I'm
left-handed and they were right-handed.
So it was literally likestanding in front of a mirror.
So that when they did the cord shapes onthe neck, I could just copy that really
easily 'cause it was just like a mirror.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
That's cool.
But this week also, I wasthinking about guitar face.
I'm sure everybody knows what I mean.
If anybody does it, let us know.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
I was thinking about this, Keith Richards quote when
he met you too, and it said onthem, place some of your songs.
And they played some of theirsongs and they went, can't really
get a sing along at a party.
Going to some of those.
I think it changed the way you twowrote songs later on when they had big
hits, , which were sing along party hits.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
He, said something like, play me the songs that inspired you,
that where your music comes from.
Because of course he, he can refer back tothe old chess blues and dealt with blues
players and they couldn't do that., Theirmusic hadn't come from anything as such.
And that's when they went off andstarted doing rattling hum with choirs
(24:59):
and BB King and, , trying to findsome sort of roots for their music.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Yeah.
It's like all these bands that came upwith New Wave and post punk, you couldn't
really play those songs to anybody becausethey were very basic and primitive and.
So they went rock and roll, didn't they?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Tell this quick story a guy I used to work with and he said
a friend of his used to go round toall the parties and he would always
carry his copy of Ray's, gonna get thistrout mask replica by Captain Behar.
And he would, he'd keep going onuntil they put it on the record
player and then the party would,just die and people would leave.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Yeah, we used to know guys like that.
They didn't last long
Speaker 3 (25:43):
in the text.
Robbie, who we know as an artist,a performer, somebody that jams
online and in groups says thathe has numerous instruments, that
he still has not done to play.
Bit of a collector.
And when he plays, he doesn'taim to copy the artist.
Exactly.
So it's going back to this evolutionthing you were talking about Ray,
(26:06):
but he also admits that he haswell over 2,500 compact discs.
Of different genres, differentlanguages, and from all over the world.
So there's a whole collecting thinggoing on there when he chooses a song,
he will only play songs that he likes.
He will also play some songs.
People will know, and then somethat people are unlikely to know.
(26:29):
I usually play a song thatis not in English in my set.
So he's talking about mixing thingsup and bringing things together as an
artist and developing things in that way.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
I was reading this week about how The Beatles wrote me Shell on the
Rubber Soul album, which has French in it.
Apparently it was inspired byone of my heroes, Nina Simone.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I must have in excess of 300 CDs just by the Rolling Stones.
. I've got a huge amount of DylanHendricks, Neil Young, I've got hundreds.
I, I've never counted them.
, Speaker 3 (27:07):
This library collecting?
What's behind this and what doesthat say about experience of autism?
Speaker 6 (27:15):
I think curating is like what we used to talk about
as editing as an autistic trait.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I used to write a lot for Stones, fan zines, and I used to help
compile tele television appearances.
I used to keep a note of itand research things in books.
There's a website called the RollingStones Complete Works database, which I've
contributed to, and that is everything.
And that's exhaustive.
If you ever want to know anything aboutthe stones, that's not gossipy, if you
(27:42):
want to know about recording sessions,concerts, interviews, it's all on there.
I
Speaker 6 (27:47):
don't know how painful it's for people to hear stories about throwing
stuff out, but I go through Purs everynow and then, and I've been doing one
recently and this weekend I went down tosee an old book dealer I used to know in
his shop just basically try and figureout after five years of, I still had
tick with them or some kind of credit.
(28:08):
And he couldn't remember, but Ihad a 35 quid book in my hand,
which I'd been after for a while.
And, he gave it to me for nothing.
So that worked out.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I think at the peak I had 1,200 plus audio cassettes of Rolling Stones,
unreleased studio material concert tapes.
And I have thrown a few out,but getting rid of anything.
If I buy a cd, even if I don'tlike it, it goes on the shelf.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Jules has just said in text, influence is a word I like
to use about this sort of thing.
This idea of , collecting and isit the influence upon us or the
influence we wanna then give out?
Because sometimes I see all is currency.
It's all a flow.
And if you're gonna givestuff away, give it away.
(28:59):
Good causes or generate moreinterest because there's no days or
archive gonna collect all my stuff.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
I think I was the one who typed that, and then Jules
was prompting me to vocalize it.
So yes.
But going further back in theconversation, it's everything.
When Robbie said.
He doesn't aim to play the songexactly as the artist did, but put
his own stamp on it, which thenleads to lots of conversations.
(29:31):
I think it's also true when GR talksabout finding lyrics just in the
everyday world, and then I thinkit's something Ray, you do when the
talk of one artist or Lucy does it.
It'll just lead you down aninfluence road in your head.
(29:52):
So making all of these connections.
But then sometimes when you're listeningto a musician and , you'll hear like,
a little snatch where they've takenjust some musicality from somebody
else and woven it into their eithera single song or their whole style.
I used to belong to a poetry collectivefor several years, and we named
(30:16):
it I Fluency, and we would invitepoets to come and we would choose to
each time who we thought might haveinfluenced each other, and sometimes
they didn't realize they even had
Speaker 2 (30:30):
With The Stones.
I bought my first album in 78, whichwas their latest album, and then a
week later I bought their first album.
And of course, things had changed a lotin 15 years, so I had to investigate
that, I went back to their roots.
My collection goes right the way back.
I think the oldest song inmy collection is Charlie Papa
(30:51):
Jackson recorded in 1925 or 1926,
And these things all connect together.
, It's like a, a pattern, a web.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Yeah, I think we get an early formative experience and a fascination
and it doesn't leave us and it kindamutates over the years and other things.
Sometimes it's driven out of us,in some kinda vague exorcism,
but, usually they persist.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
It's also with films like when I was very small, it was Dr. Who and
Star Trek, and they're still around now.
Then Star Wars came along andchanged everything and Star Wars has
Speaker 6 (31:33):
stood around.
I have a feeling it's like, a earlyexperience of finding another world.
If you are not happy with the oneyou're in, you find this other one.
Currently I'm looking at this oldbookie mine that I've dredged out called
what we Find When We Look Under Rocks.
One of my favorite books.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Okay, so when I was a kid there wasn't much music in my house and
I shared a room with my sister and shewas very pop, she liked Adam and the
ants and everything that was popular.
But I used to listen through the warto my brother's music 'cause my two
brothers lived in the room next door.
And so that kind of sent me on a bit ofa path because there were things like
(32:14):
the Dave Kennedy's, and, public image.
And so , I was I.
Sort of tutored through the wallwith this other thing that actually
I liked so much better than whatwas going on in my own room.
So it was my brother that reallyintroduced me to a lot of things
and told me about different music.
And then later on with Dave.
So I've always had somebodyto educate me musically.
(32:36):
I'm not very good at educatingmyself 'cause I really
don't understand half of it.
And a lot of it is lost to me.
But it's good to havesomething to guide you through
Speaker 6 (32:43):
one of your online friends.
Marina Oregon has a radio show thathas been inspiring me recently.
It's on FM and is ontonight at nine o'clock.
So tune in.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
She'll really appreciate that.
Marina Organ is somebody who's beenin my life since I was very young.
'cause she went to all the same gigs asme and she used to put out a fan zine,
like a paper fan zine called The Organ.
So she's always been reallyclosely associated to being
the things that I love.
I talk to her all the time.
She's, she's, she's lovely and yes,she does a fantastic show of a Sunday.
(33:16):
If you can catch it, you should,
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I think with music and.
Especially with Star Trek, there'strying to find a tribe, a place where
you feel that you can fit in or aplace where you'll be welcomed or it's
something that just, gives you comfort.
Going back to , the s Silverman book,NeuroTribes, he said that people
(33:42):
with autism like science fictionbecause they feel like they're alien.
They're aliens in this world andthey, they identify with that.
I dunno if that's true though.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
I would throw in a lot of genres there, like
detective stories as well.
But robbie mentions in texts that aband called, or an artist called Daran
as a version of Heroes by David Bowie.
Many have tried, many have failed.
I'd love to hear the Tan's version.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
I, love how Robbie says his favorite band, Nevada 10, he
found after seeing a poster in adocumentary, and it looked interesting,
so he looked them up on YouTube.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
I did that once with a, I think it was a Hungarian TV series.
I was watching a couple years back andit was all about late seventies punks,
early eighties punks in Europe, and theyhad a poster on their bedroom door and
it was some kind of German band, like thedressed in dolls or something like that.
(34:45):
And I thought, I've never heard them.
Let's look them up.
And they became something I quite enjoy.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Somebody's asked in the text what?
Music resonates with me.
, Unlike the people here, I'mreally uneducated with music.
I like to hear the things thatwere around when I was young.
I don't know the names of them.
, I couldn't even tell you which punk bandplayed the different things I listened to.
(35:13):
Unlike many autistic people,,that hasn't become one of my.
Concerns.
Just having music as a general backgroundand having other people to curate it.
Listening to music as an album orlistening to music when somebody has
a radio program and they've curated itall together is where I consume music.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
Yeah.
I think for a lot of people,music can be functional.
I think theresa was asking about, doesanyone have guilty pleasure songs?
Yeah.
Well, you know, endless.
I was going to say, Hey, musicis my first love and burst
into John May there for you.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
How about the new film that's coming out soon with big Hollywood actors
playing tribute acts of Neil Diamondand then you listen to these things
that maybe when I was young I thought,this is my parents' cheesy music.
But I listen to it now and I think,wow, you know, that's got something,
(36:13):
that's got energy, that's got life.
Over to Lucy really
Speaker 4 (36:19):
speaking about the least musically good person.
But yeah, we know aboutthat Neil Diamond film.
We saw a trailer for it and Dave says no
Speaker 6 (36:27):
It's just that thing that these biopics being kind like
chronologically inaccurate, but youcan't expect them to be accurate.
But yeah, crunchy granola sweetis one of my favorite songs.
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