November 28, 2025 • 42 mins
Charlie and Christopher have two parents.
Both Tina and Charles are concerned that the boys become men with opportunities equivalent to their non-autistic peers.
To help other parents they have documented the families experiences in three books.
They want other families to benefit from what they have learnt about Autism through the lives of the lads
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Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (00:01):
Well, I think I've demonstrated that, um,
silence is a very common thing here.
So, when there issilence, just let it ride.
Don't feel uncomfortable.
Don't feel you need to fill the space.
Okay.
Prepare myself.
Speak.
Let's go and speak tothe world about autism.
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We listen.
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Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (00:41):
Hello again and thank you again for joining us.
Here on Autistic Radio, we try ourbest to look for different aspects
of autism, different perspectives.
Our inbox has offers from people to Talkabout their work their blog or their book
(01:07):
maybe you, will come to AutisticRadio to make a specific program
we certainly have room for that.
We've already had a short conversationwith Charles and Tina and we've
chosen them to come and speak today.
(01:31):
Their work is an example of one of thegenres of books on autism, or series of
books on autism, that we come across.
The book that's writtenby the parent as advocate.
And I think we're going to findthat Charles and Tina have a special
(01:58):
relationship with autism to explore.
Welcome to you today, both of you.
Welcome back you arevery welcome here today.
Tina-Parker (02:08):
Oh, hello.
, Thank you so much.
Charles-Parker (02:13):
Good morning to you.
It's a pleasure to be here
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (02:18):
that's great.
My first thought is what motivatedyou to take so much care and effort
Charles-Parker (02:31):
The main reason was to try and help other people understand the
problems that they may well come across.
We were talking to peopleand they were scared.
about the future.
And we wanted to
take that away and offer them some supportsince then, both of us have made it.
(02:56):
Our job, to be there for others.
Certainly to be there for our sonChristopher, to help others as well.
, Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (03:06):
I'm emotionally affected by your sentiment there.
When, which I say in a veryflat tone, as an autistic man.
So you're just gonnahave to trust me on this.
When you say to others, It soundsspecifically as though you're speaking to
the experience of parents who find thatthey have a child that's been diagnosed.
(03:31):
Is that correct?
Tina-Parker (03:34):
Yes, it is.
We, we want to empathize , withpeople, , but talk from experience of,
of knowing it not from a perspective,we can actually talk from experience
and, and, and, and listen topeople, often people don't listen.
Both of our boys are on the spectrumand we feel we have something to
(03:58):
offer, but also something to learn.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (04:03):
It's really important for us as autistic
people to have the perspective thatcomes with somebody who's a parent.
And I'm often disappointed, I
(04:25):
come across narratives fromautistic people that have
a less than welcoming attitudeto the perspective of parents.
Have you come across that?
Charles-Parker (04:40):
It is something that we've seen and probably something
that promoted us to set our heartsinto helping as many as we could.
There are too many people, I believe, inthis world that don't understand autism.
And therefore, the way they approachit or the way they talk about it
(05:06):
is really detrimental people needto know really what autism is, and
then perhaps it would be a fairerworld, , think that really is important.
I
just think that as parents of an autisticchild or a young man now, our books
(05:34):
are aimed at, if you like, telling
our story and in the hope that, , itwill help others that have an involvement
in autism, but also help those thatdon't really understand autism.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (05:51):
One of the things we have here is text.
So if you can see over on the righthand side, there's private chat.
If my voice stops, then I'm likelyto put things in the private chat.
Other people want to put thingsin and they don't want to break
the flow, sometimes they willput things in private chat.
(06:14):
. Raymond in the text says, It'samazing how people's experiences of
living with autism can become a job.
In the best sense.
Something to offer.
Something to learn.
Is that what you feel now?
The field of autism has become aA proxy for, for an employment.
Tina-Parker (06:41):
I would say definitely, yes, you start off very much learning
that, to support the person , butthen you become an advocate for them.
So, especially with someone that'snon speaking, it becomes a vocation,
something you're passionate about,something that you go out every day
(07:04):
and think, how can I do this better?
Uh, How can I make a differenceto this person's life?
And I think in that, in the job sense,you know, you want to do a good job.
And hopefully as parents, we aredoing a good job for Christopher and
enhancing his life by what we know andwhat we're learning from him every day.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (07:29):
You mentioned both of your, , kids are on the spectrum.
You've just given usone name, Christopher.
Is there a difference between the twoboys that makes a broader expectation?
Tina-Parker (07:44):
Yes, there is.
For Christopher, who's non speaking,with very limited communication, my
eldest son, who, his name is Charlie,He is, uh, you know, speaking very
intelligent, but like a lot of peopleon the spectrum has difficulties with
(08:06):
anxiety and the way he views himself.
So I do have two sides of, The spectrum,if you like, but very much that they're
both enhance our life and give us very,very different ways of looking at things.
And actually, it makes it easier to havethat well rounded idea of what, what to,
(08:33):
to, to give them in both their lives.
It's very, it's completely different.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com: Really interests me. (08:40):
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You describe the two boys astwo versions of autism, almost.
Somebody who is perpetually not usinga voice, in comparison to somebody who
(09:02):
uses voice for their communication.
I, as an autistic man, a veryverbal person, as long as I have
a voice, and almost all of thetime my voice doesn't fail me.
The tiny few times that I have a versionof being temporarily non speaking, I'm
(09:31):
not sure if it does give me a voice.
A sense of the internal life of somebodywho does not use voice or somebody
who uses alternative communication.
I find non speaking a bit of a negativeterm and I haven't found a better one yet.
(09:51):
Well, that's an interesting question.
Is, is there a better term for nonspeaking because non has a negative in it?
I,
Tina-Parker (09:59):
I wouldn't know the answer to that.
I mean we've used non verbal and nonspeaking are terms that are used.
I, I would be interested if there weresuggestions to that because, you know,
we haven't come across a better wayand I, and I agree it's not always
very positive sometimes we have to, wehave to use terms because otherwise,
(10:26):
. neurotypical people don't oftenunderstand what we're talking about.
They often get confused.
That is another conversation, aboutmaking sure that we have like clarity
with people that are not autistic tounderstand what we're talking about.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com: That is really important. (10:46):
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If you felt that there was anykind of criticism in what I've
said, That there wasn't one.
And I do agree with you.
Sometimes terms are used in a context thatjust gets information over very quickly.
And maybe non speaking is a good way ofsaying to a neurotypical audience that
(11:09):
this person does not use their voice.
It's not about not usingtheir voice willfully.
It's about their voice escapingthem or , them not being in
contact with their voice somehow.
But, as a verbal autistic man, or ahyper verbal autistic man sometimes,
(11:33):
I wonder whether my experience ofautism is so radically different.
Because when I see people who don't usevoice, there is such an empathetic leaning
towards them that comes from my emotion,that it feels much more to me as though
(11:57):
there are so many more commonalities.
haven't yet got the experienceto access those commonalities.
Does that fit in with howyou've experienced things?
Tina-Parker (12:14):
From our experiences of when we talk about Christopher we've
worked really hard to Communicatewith him, always using , spoken words
and the empathy you get from a personlike Christopher really comes across.
We talk about him like a sunflower,his light coming into the, into the
(12:37):
room and really affecting people, himbeing liked by people, which is really
difficult for people on the spectrum, tofind friendships and things like that.
, I think that we all have a lot tooffer whether we're speaking or non
speaking when you meet someone likeChristopher or read the book about
(12:59):
Christopher that hopefully comes across.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (13:04):
I think you can see in the text we have a
couple of people at the moment whoare using text as their priority
Raymond is somebody that we know hereon artistic radio who gives voice
. He is saying he is uncertain incommunication, even as a speaker,
(13:27):
which may be a universal term.
I'm not sure if I got theintonation right there, Ray.
You might need to put voice tothat, but I'll go on anyway.
Lucy says, I often find myself pausingbefore speaking, as I'm never confident
the right words will come out.
(13:52):
So maybe there's a, a middle ground thatwe all kind of feel in our Our pauses
before communication, and sometimesour difficulty of expressing ourselves,
even if we are these verbal peoplewho take part in a radio program.
Charles-Parker (14:16):
Pausing before we say anything, whether we're autistic or
not, is Something , we should all do,
because many of us, , answer somebodywithout first thinking, and then
I perhaps do say the wrong words.
That pause is so valuable.
(14:39):
So I would say to anyone, never be afraidto stop and think before you say anything.
It is not something that's wrong.
I think it's a real asset
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (14:51):
you guys have been at this for a while now.
I'm sure you see yourselves as valuableallies to the autistic population
at large and also valuable alliesto the parents of autistic people.
(15:12):
My expectation is Over a period oftime, how you frame that allyship
will have changed, there willhave been , an evolution and a
progression during that time.
Through the writing of thethree books, what has changed?
(15:32):
Where, where has the developmentbeen that you have noticed
in yourselves as advocates?
Charles-Parker (15:39):
Lots and lots of answers, , to that question.
, one of the things is that we have changed.
We've changed as parents, we'vechanged as deputies to Christopher,
we have changed as authors, allof the time that we've been a
(16:02):
part of Autism, Christopher'slife with Autism, we have made it
one of our goals to always learnsomething new, to be prepared to
listen to others, to offer somethingdifferent, more positive, perhaps,
(16:22):
This last one, I think, is to
all of those who are lookingfor supported living.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (16:30):
Do you feel this is where you wanted to get
to, now you're, you're cracking it.
Tina-Parker (16:38):
Uh, yes, you know, the final work of, of him actually
moving into his own home is, a, isa big goal for, for anybody to, to
live independently, to be heard.
But the next stage.
Really for Christopher and forlots of people is, you know, work
(17:00):
as well, being a part of society,whether whatever form that takes.
As a next chapter for both ourchildren, especially for our eldest son.
, getting people back into employment,making them valuable members of society.
That's , another bitwe're passionate about
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (17:23):
without sounding as though I'm picking you
up on something, I want to extract afew words from what you said, because
I hear those words in other places.
It's a valuablecontribution to, to society,
(17:45):
there is always a concern for me.
If people associate value tosociety with work outside the home,
personally, I feel that's something thatwe need to escape from as human beings
(18:06):
and having an autistic family membermight be a way of escaping from that.
But what I hear from you is that yousee that as the next expected step.
Have I read you right?
Charles-Parker (18:24):
I would endorse is the fact that our job now , we've
reached a point with Christopher,we've got him in his own home.
He's very, very happy.
There's more out there for him.
Whether it's in terms of voluntary work,perhaps at a farm or something like that.
(18:46):
And also with Charlie, , tohelp him get into work.
He's worked very hard to do that in thepast, but things haven't gone his way.
People make their decisions beforethey really know enough about him.
, Yes, there is a fourth book on the way.
We are working , very hard.
(19:06):
We've been collecting information.
. We've written to businesses, hospitals,universities, we are hoping to help each
and every one that is on the spectrum.
We've gathered that knowledge toput it into another book so that
Everyone, that everyone can havethe opportunities that they deserve.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (19:31):
I'm relieved , you see that there's other, other versions
of living a life that don't necessarily gostraight to the working member of society.
Because contribution to society in, inmy book is not constrained by capitalism.
(19:57):
What is it about work outside thehome that you think , your two
guys are going to benefit from?
Tina-Parker (20:06):
Just showing, your value, that you have something to
contribute, that everybody's important.
, to send the message thatwe're all important.
We all have qualities wecan share with other people.
Christopher has qualities that he shares.
(20:28):
My other son has qualities.
I want to support them to, , get thebest possible chances in their lives.
That's the same for any person, , givingthem choices their experiences.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (20:45):
What I'm trying to explore is how appropriate
work is for somebody who, at thiscurrent time, doesn't use a voice.
And how appropriate you also feel workoutside the home , in conventional
(21:12):
employment is for your other son whohas a different experience of autism.
That's where I'm trying to get to,because I'm not convinced myself that
it's actually a healthy way forward,but I can see how maybe somebody who
comes from a parent's point of viewmight be trying to normalize their
(21:32):
children's experience in comparison towhat they see around them in society.
Tina-Parker (21:38):
I, I see Christopher in the home when he's given opportunities,
such as, , learning to cook.
It empowers him.
He, he seems to want to do it more.
And for him, , doing voluntarywork or any sort of work that he's
(22:00):
able to do that is empowering himjust to, you know, be part of that.
And that obviously is his choiceto do that or not do that.
He's non speaking, we haveother ways of supporting him.
That's never, thebarrier , we support him.
With ways that he can communicateand there are , lots of ways for non
(22:23):
speaking autistic people to contribute, and that has been shown they have
real value in what they want to tellus and they just need to be heard.
So I don't think that , his communicationis his barrier , to working.
With Charlie, he has barrierswith, , even speaking, he finds
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it difficult to communicate.
Sometimes he finds the words difficult.
He still is a valuable person.
I feel that if opportunity comes hisway, those barriers shouldn't be there
for him, he should be able to go into ajob, people should accept people on the
(23:04):
spectrum better than they do now, havemore understanding, and I think that's
where the world maybe needs to change.
We should give them the opportunitiesto, to have those opportunities
the same as neurotypical people.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com: The idea of equality. (23:20):
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And equal opportunities is what iscoming through to me, seems to be your
concern, whether your sons are havingthe same opportunity to take part in
society in the way society describesthe path of a young man leaving school,
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going on, settling down, making a job,having a family, blah, blah, blah.
What concerns me is thatoverall that might not be.
The most appropriate path for everybodyand I, as an autistic man who has
(24:13):
organized myself to, to establishbusinesses and to employ other people,
have now reached a stage where Idon't actually think that rejoining
the workforce in a conventional way, Isthe best thing for me because the way
(24:34):
the workforce is structured at the momentfeels inappropriate to me and I come from
this with a background of 40 years ofexperience working, do you see my concern?
Charles-Parker (24:52):
Yes, sorry, I can, I can see your concern and.
In many ways, I agree with you, butI think it's very, very important as
well, particularly with Charlie, ourolder son, you know, he, wants to go
to work, , he's not even wanting togo to work necessarily to earn money,
(25:16):
he wants to go to work, so that he canfeel the same as many others, that he's
doing something useful with his life.
And if he's doing something usefulwith his life, it's going to
make it much easier for him tomanage things like his anxiety.
(25:37):
With Christopher, I think the word work isperhaps the, the wrong word to use there
because it's not a case of him, , Goingout to work to earn a living, it is a
case of keeping Christopher busy, findingthings for him to do every day outside of
(25:58):
the home so that he doesn't become bored.
When someone like Christopher becomesbored, and we've proved this so many,
many times, boredom leads to behaviors.
Bad behaviors , we know for sure thatby getting him involved in something
(26:19):
different, , perhaps just one day a weekwould make that real difference to him.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (26:27):
May we just take a few minutes to break
now, Charles and Tina, I would like
.other people to instruct me on where they wish the conversation to go next,
or perhaps put their own voice to it.
So I'm going to go on mute for fiveminutes and make myself a cup of tea and
(26:48):
leave you in the company of Lucy and Ray,
Lucy-Autie-Unmasked (26:54):
okay.
Hello there, Charles.
Hello there, Tina.
This is Lucy.
, I was very late on with mydiagnosis, in my 40s when I
found out that I was autistic.
Do you feel that enough is done?
in the workplace to make autisticpeople comfortable enough to take on a
job and to feel confident in that job.
(27:15):
Do you think that it might be astruggle to find something that,
, your two could do and feel thatlike they're in a safe environment?
Tina-Parker (27:26):
Hi Lucy.
Yes, , the workplace isn't ready , andthis is what we want to change.
We want to make sure that.
Businesses are accepting if somebody wantsto work , in that environment, that they
are ready for that, that they have theright, mindset even things like the
(27:46):
interview, , could be done differently.
So that people feel more comfortable,the work environment , done differently
we want to change those sorts ofthings so that if somebody chooses
to work and I use the word choicebecause it is someone's choice,
whether they work, they don't work.
In an outside environment,we should make that better.
(28:09):
I don't think it is right at the minute.
That's what I personally would liketo see changed because people can't
always access work if they want
Lucy-Autie-Unmasked (28:20):
to.
Totally agree with that.
There's a lot of workthat needs to be done.
I've had jobs in my lifetime,but it's been very difficult
to find an environment where.
I can go in and gel withpeople , and be part of a team.
, I've always found that I'vehad to go, into several jobs.
I've been in and out of jobs for yearsand years and years trying to find
(28:42):
the comfortable place for myself.
I, do you think that one of theproblems that we have is that.
The perception of who an autistic personis or what an autistic person looks like
, people don't see me as being autistic whenI walk into a space, they can't really
tell from looking at me, I'm, I'm verbal.
But do you think that there is aperception of what autism looks
(29:04):
like, which gets in the way offinding proper work for people?
Charles-Parker (29:09):
I, I think there is that sort of perception.
Tina and I, you know, we'd both liketo say something on this, but one of
the, one of the things that I thinkis really important is that employers
should make sure that those People thatthey have within their, within their
(29:33):
business that are conducting interviewsshould have more education about autism.
They should be taught to understand sothat they can ask the right questions,
so that they can give the person that'sbeing interviewed additional time.
(29:56):
To answer because that person may havea problem, , taking things in we're
trying to move towards you know, weknow that Christopher most certainly is
never going to go and get a full time jobsomewhere, , we understand that Charlie.
He could quite easily do that if he wasgiven the right opportunity, and there
(30:20):
are many, many thousands more, , inthis country that are in a similar
situation, we always want to help people.
That's what our next missionreally to try and make things.
better for those people that arelooking to do something , really
useful with their lives.,
Tina-Parker (30:37):
Lucy, , that is an excellent question.
There, there is no faceto autism, is there?
, what does autism look like?
It doesn't look like anything.
It's a, it's a person.
It's an individual.
Our, our saying at the momentis autism is as unique as your
fingerprint, meaning we are all unique.
(31:00):
There is no face toautism, , there's no standard.
So we have to understand thebroader picture and we have
to support in all areas.
And we don't say to people, well,if you're not sociable, then you
don't fit into our organization.
You're not, therefore you're notan asset to our organization.
(31:20):
That shouldn't be, thatshould not be a factor.
The fact that you show up, youcontribute you get the work that
they want done should be enough.
And I think that's what, that'swhat I want to contribute to that.
Lucy-Autie-Unmasked (31:36):
I think that's a really good and really good answer.
It's almost like there really is nopreparation in any workplace to have
that edge where you can understandsomebody's communication problems
or why they don't fit into a team.
I've had so many times where I'vebeen kind of rejected, left out
of the conversations because asan autistic person, they kind
(31:57):
of don't know how to speak to meor don't know how to act with me.
So, yeah, thank you.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (32:04):
It's very interesting to me that we ended up here.
Where we've ended up in this conversation,starting from a series of three books,
With a fourth being written, the latestone of which discusses where your
sons are at this stage in their lives.
(32:28):
I'm imagining that a parent wouldlook to the first book and go through
a chronological experience alongsideyou, and that would benefit them.
Because if they can go through yourexperience, as that has happened
over a period of years, It canprepare them in the way that they
(32:48):
are thinking about the future.
Tell me where people will find the funand beauty and joy in what you've written.
Because at the moment, I think I've giventhe listener the opportunity to hear
(33:09):
about something that's quite challenging.
Where's the fun in the books?
Tina-Parker (33:17):
Oh, the fun is in, is just being in someone's
life that is just incredible.
And You know, the, uh, Christopher hasmoments when he repeats things cause
he has echolalia and he'll repeatsomething on, on a radio effort and just
have us in fits of laughter and you.
(33:38):
And you just think to yourself,wow, , there is such joy.
We are always so happy to, to, tohave that, that voice from him.
That, that music, I, I always think thathe, he just, he just adds so much to
our lives and yes, he's up there, ourchildren, we love them very much, but
(34:01):
I just feel that, everybody that I Thatit has something to contribute to life
, , and you get so much joy out of that, soyes, we do, we do have very funny moments
with Christopher and he's, he's brilliant,and I hope that people see that when
, they read the books that it's not allabout painting a picture or a story that
(34:26):
is negative because autism isn't negative.
This is just how people are, this is,this is Christopher, this is Charlie, this
is everybody that is on the spectrum, andwe're just trying to just show that in
that chronological order to give peoplehope, express some of the challenges,
(34:47):
but say how we got through them, howthey can learn from us, how they can
do things better, hopefully as well.
Charles-Parker (34:56):
We've actually experienced , many days in our life
when we've had real battles on ourhands with, social workers and people
like that, we've never, ever given up.
And one of the things perhaps we'vewritten the books for is to show other
people that they must never, ever giveup with whatever they want in life.
(35:18):
They should carry on fighting,whether it's, for themselves, or
whether it's for their autistic child.
Never give up.
I remember very distinctly, , Onelady who was bringing up her
autistic child on her own.
She sent us a reviewand she said, Thank you.
(35:42):
I do not feel alone anymore.
And I've always rememberedthose words and I treasure them.
That tells me we're doing somethingright for people like that lady
and for others out there as well.
Particularly, perhaps, to thosethat find it difficult to come
(36:02):
back and say something like that.
Sit at home, having read thebook, and think that way.
You know, and to us, it'sbeen a pleasure to help them.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com: Well, there it is. (36:16):
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Charles and Tina.
Every time you receive one of thosecontacts from somebody I think you
should believe that behind thatsingle contact is another hundred or
a thousand people who feel the same.
(36:38):
I haven't read your book.
Speaking with you, and listeningto you, I am entirely happy to
ask people to go to the website,
no hyphens, just thewords, tell it as it is.
And I think just knowing thatyou chose that website name means
(37:02):
that in your books, we will findtwo parents who are unflinchingly
describing their experiencefor the benefit of others.
Thank you so much for comingto speak to us and enjoying
the equity and communication.
Charles-Parker (37:22):
The website is tellitasitis.
uk every book we end with a poem.
This one
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com: Tina has called, I, a human. (37:30):
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When you're ready.
Tina-Parker (37:37):
I am human.
I am human.
I am just like you.
I am loved by family and friends.
When you see me, knowthat I am just like you.
Yes, I have more challenges, butthese are not mine to change.
(38:00):
But for you to understand.
Understand my world andyours will be better.
I am untouched by the uglinessof actions of others thoughts.
So my world is a happier place.
Join me and understand.
You will see I am human, just like you.
(38:25):
Yes, I have a label, butit does not define me.
I am me first, a person whois living, Loving, learning
and growing, just like you.
I am an individual andunique in my talents.
I may need extra support.
(38:46):
But I can achieve the same, just like you.
Autism is a rainbow of colours andspecial people that enrich our lives.
Step inside.
Find out.
Learn more.
Find out that we are not a condition.
We are not to be feared or ignored.
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We are as amazing as isevery human on this planet.
I am human and I matter too.
Thank you so much.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (39:21):
Beautifully written and beautifully read.
The website
tellitasitis.
uk No hyphens, no spaces,just the words Tell.
It.
As.
It.
Is.
(39:43):
That says it all really, doesn't it?
Thank you everyone today and joinus again on Autistic Radio Where we
will be speaking to more inspiringpeople, like the allies and advocates
that we have just met, Charlesand Tina Parker, tellitasitis.
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Well, I think I've demonstrated that, um,
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So, when there issilence, just let it ride.
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Prepare myself.
Speak.
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We speak our words, we listen, we speak our words, we listen.
We speak our words.
We listen.
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We listen.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (00:41):
Hello again and thank you again for joining us.
Here on Autistic Radio, we try ourbest to look for different aspects
of autism, different perspectives.
Our inbox has offers from people to Talkabout their work their blog or their book
(01:07):
maybe you, will come to AutisticRadio to make a specific program
we certainly have room for that.
We've already had a short conversationwith Charles and Tina and we've
chosen them to come and speak today.
(01:31):
Their work is an example of one of thegenres of books on autism, or series of
books on autism, that we come across.
The book that's writtenby the parent as advocate.
And I think we're going to findthat Charles and Tina have a special
(01:58):
relationship with autism to explore.
Welcome to you today, both of you.
Welcome back you arevery welcome here today.
Tina-Parker (02:08):
Oh, hello.
, Thank you so much.
Charles-Parker (02:13):
Good morning to you.
It's a pleasure to be here
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (02:18):
that's great.
My first thought is what motivatedyou to take so much care and effort
Charles-Parker (02:31):
The main reason was to try and help other people understand the
problems that they may well come across.
We were talking to peopleand they were scared.
about the future.
And we wanted to
take that away and offer them some supportsince then, both of us have made it.
(02:56):
Our job, to be there for others.
Certainly to be there for our sonChristopher, to help others as well.
, Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (03:06):
I'm emotionally affected by your sentiment there.
When, which I say in a veryflat tone, as an autistic man.
So you're just gonnahave to trust me on this.
When you say to others, It soundsspecifically as though you're speaking to
the experience of parents who find thatthey have a child that's been diagnosed.
(03:31):
Is that correct?
Tina-Parker (03:34):
Yes, it is.
We, we want to empathize , withpeople, , but talk from experience of,
of knowing it not from a perspective,we can actually talk from experience
and, and, and, and listen topeople, often people don't listen.
Both of our boys are on the spectrumand we feel we have something to
(03:58):
offer, but also something to learn.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (04:03):
It's really important for us as autistic
people to have the perspective thatcomes with somebody who's a parent.
And I'm often disappointed, I
(04:25):
come across narratives fromautistic people that have
a less than welcoming attitudeto the perspective of parents.
Have you come across that?
Charles-Parker (04:40):
It is something that we've seen and probably something
that promoted us to set our heartsinto helping as many as we could.
There are too many people, I believe, inthis world that don't understand autism.
And therefore, the way they approachit or the way they talk about it
(05:06):
is really detrimental people needto know really what autism is, and
then perhaps it would be a fairerworld, , think that really is important.
I
just think that as parents of an autisticchild or a young man now, our books
(05:34):
are aimed at, if you like, telling
our story and in the hope that, , itwill help others that have an involvement
in autism, but also help those thatdon't really understand autism.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (05:51):
One of the things we have here is text.
So if you can see over on the righthand side, there's private chat.
If my voice stops, then I'm likelyto put things in the private chat.
Other people want to put thingsin and they don't want to break
the flow, sometimes they willput things in private chat.
(06:14):
. Raymond in the text says, It'samazing how people's experiences of
living with autism can become a job.
In the best sense.
Something to offer.
Something to learn.
Is that what you feel now?
The field of autism has become aA proxy for, for an employment.
Tina-Parker (06:41):
I would say definitely, yes, you start off very much learning
that, to support the person , butthen you become an advocate for them.
So, especially with someone that'snon speaking, it becomes a vocation,
something you're passionate about,something that you go out every day
(07:04):
and think, how can I do this better?
Uh, How can I make a differenceto this person's life?
And I think in that, in the job sense,you know, you want to do a good job.
And hopefully as parents, we aredoing a good job for Christopher and
enhancing his life by what we know andwhat we're learning from him every day.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (07:29):
You mentioned both of your, , kids are on the spectrum.
You've just given usone name, Christopher.
Is there a difference between the twoboys that makes a broader expectation?
Tina-Parker (07:44):
Yes, there is.
For Christopher, who's non speaking,with very limited communication, my
eldest son, who, his name is Charlie,He is, uh, you know, speaking very
intelligent, but like a lot of peopleon the spectrum has difficulties with
(08:06):
anxiety and the way he views himself.
So I do have two sides of, The spectrum,if you like, but very much that they're
both enhance our life and give us very,very different ways of looking at things.
And actually, it makes it easier to havethat well rounded idea of what, what to,
(08:33):
to, to give them in both their lives.
It's very, it's completely different.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com: Really interests me. (08:40):
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You describe the two boys astwo versions of autism, almost.
Somebody who is perpetually not usinga voice, in comparison to somebody who
(09:02):
uses voice for their communication.
I, as an autistic man, a veryverbal person, as long as I have
a voice, and almost all of thetime my voice doesn't fail me.
The tiny few times that I have a versionof being temporarily non speaking, I'm
(09:31):
not sure if it does give me a voice.
A sense of the internal life of somebodywho does not use voice or somebody
who uses alternative communication.
I find non speaking a bit of a negativeterm and I haven't found a better one yet.
(09:51):
Well, that's an interesting question.
Is, is there a better term for nonspeaking because non has a negative in it?
I,
Tina-Parker (09:59):
I wouldn't know the answer to that.
I mean we've used non verbal and nonspeaking are terms that are used.
I, I would be interested if there weresuggestions to that because, you know,
we haven't come across a better wayand I, and I agree it's not always
very positive sometimes we have to, wehave to use terms because otherwise,
(10:26):
. neurotypical people don't oftenunderstand what we're talking about.
They often get confused.
That is another conversation, aboutmaking sure that we have like clarity
with people that are not autistic tounderstand what we're talking about.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com: That is really important. (10:46):
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If you felt that there was anykind of criticism in what I've
said, That there wasn't one.
And I do agree with you.
Sometimes terms are used in a context thatjust gets information over very quickly.
And maybe non speaking is a good way ofsaying to a neurotypical audience that
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this person does not use their voice.
It's not about not usingtheir voice willfully.
It's about their voice escapingthem or , them not being in
contact with their voice somehow.
But, as a verbal autistic man, or ahyper verbal autistic man sometimes,
(11:33):
I wonder whether my experience ofautism is so radically different.
Because when I see people who don't usevoice, there is such an empathetic leaning
towards them that comes from my emotion,that it feels much more to me as though
(11:57):
there are so many more commonalities.
haven't yet got the experienceto access those commonalities.
Does that fit in with howyou've experienced things?
Tina-Parker (12:14):
From our experiences of when we talk about Christopher we've
worked really hard to Communicatewith him, always using , spoken words
and the empathy you get from a personlike Christopher really comes across.
We talk about him like a sunflower,his light coming into the, into the
(12:37):
room and really affecting people, himbeing liked by people, which is really
difficult for people on the spectrum, tofind friendships and things like that.
, I think that we all have a lot tooffer whether we're speaking or non
speaking when you meet someone likeChristopher or read the book about
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Christopher that hopefully comes across.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (13:04):
I think you can see in the text we have a
couple of people at the moment whoare using text as their priority
Raymond is somebody that we know hereon artistic radio who gives voice
. He is saying he is uncertain incommunication, even as a speaker,
(13:27):
which may be a universal term.
I'm not sure if I got theintonation right there, Ray.
You might need to put voice tothat, but I'll go on anyway.
Lucy says, I often find myself pausingbefore speaking, as I'm never confident
the right words will come out.
(13:52):
So maybe there's a, a middle ground thatwe all kind of feel in our Our pauses
before communication, and sometimesour difficulty of expressing ourselves,
even if we are these verbal peoplewho take part in a radio program.
Charles-Parker (14:16):
Pausing before we say anything, whether we're autistic or
not, is Something , we should all do,
because many of us, , answer somebodywithout first thinking, and then
I perhaps do say the wrong words.
That pause is so valuable.
(14:39):
So I would say to anyone, never be afraidto stop and think before you say anything.
It is not something that's wrong.
I think it's a real asset
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (14:51):
you guys have been at this for a while now.
I'm sure you see yourselves as valuableallies to the autistic population
at large and also valuable alliesto the parents of autistic people.
(15:12):
My expectation is Over a period oftime, how you frame that allyship
will have changed, there willhave been , an evolution and a
progression during that time.
Through the writing of thethree books, what has changed?
(15:32):
Where, where has the developmentbeen that you have noticed
in yourselves as advocates?
Charles-Parker (15:39):
Lots and lots of answers, , to that question.
, one of the things is that we have changed.
We've changed as parents, we'vechanged as deputies to Christopher,
we have changed as authors, allof the time that we've been a
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part of Autism, Christopher'slife with Autism, we have made it
one of our goals to always learnsomething new, to be prepared to
listen to others, to offer somethingdifferent, more positive, perhaps,
(16:22):
This last one, I think, is to
all of those who are lookingfor supported living.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (16:30):
Do you feel this is where you wanted to get
to, now you're, you're cracking it.
Tina-Parker (16:38):
Uh, yes, you know, the final work of, of him actually
moving into his own home is, a, isa big goal for, for anybody to, to
live independently, to be heard.
But the next stage.
Really for Christopher and forlots of people is, you know, work
(17:00):
as well, being a part of society,whether whatever form that takes.
As a next chapter for both ourchildren, especially for our eldest son.
, getting people back into employment,making them valuable members of society.
That's , another bitwe're passionate about
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (17:23):
without sounding as though I'm picking you
up on something, I want to extract afew words from what you said, because
I hear those words in other places.
It's a valuablecontribution to, to society,
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there is always a concern for me.
If people associate value tosociety with work outside the home,
personally, I feel that's something thatwe need to escape from as human beings
(18:06):
and having an autistic family membermight be a way of escaping from that.
But what I hear from you is that yousee that as the next expected step.
Have I read you right?
Charles-Parker (18:24):
I would endorse is the fact that our job now , we've
reached a point with Christopher,we've got him in his own home.
He's very, very happy.
There's more out there for him.
Whether it's in terms of voluntary work,perhaps at a farm or something like that.
(18:46):
And also with Charlie, , tohelp him get into work.
He's worked very hard to do that in thepast, but things haven't gone his way.
People make their decisions beforethey really know enough about him.
, Yes, there is a fourth book on the way.
We are working , very hard.
(19:06):
We've been collecting information.
. We've written to businesses, hospitals,universities, we are hoping to help each
and every one that is on the spectrum.
We've gathered that knowledge toput it into another book so that
Everyone, that everyone can havethe opportunities that they deserve.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (19:31):
I'm relieved , you see that there's other, other versions
of living a life that don't necessarily gostraight to the working member of society.
Because contribution to society in, inmy book is not constrained by capitalism.
(19:57):
What is it about work outside thehome that you think , your two
guys are going to benefit from?
Tina-Parker (20:06):
Just showing, your value, that you have something to
contribute, that everybody's important.
, to send the message thatwe're all important.
We all have qualities wecan share with other people.
Christopher has qualities that he shares.
(20:28):
My other son has qualities.
I want to support them to, , get thebest possible chances in their lives.
That's the same for any person, , givingthem choices their experiences.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (20:45):
What I'm trying to explore is how appropriate
work is for somebody who, at thiscurrent time, doesn't use a voice.
And how appropriate you also feel workoutside the home , in conventional
(21:12):
employment is for your other son whohas a different experience of autism.
That's where I'm trying to get to,because I'm not convinced myself that
it's actually a healthy way forward,but I can see how maybe somebody who
comes from a parent's point of viewmight be trying to normalize their
(21:32):
children's experience in comparison towhat they see around them in society.
Tina-Parker (21:38):
I, I see Christopher in the home when he's given opportunities,
such as, , learning to cook.
It empowers him.
He, he seems to want to do it more.
And for him, , doing voluntarywork or any sort of work that he's
(22:00):
able to do that is empowering himjust to, you know, be part of that.
And that obviously is his choiceto do that or not do that.
He's non speaking, we haveother ways of supporting him.
That's never, thebarrier , we support him.
With ways that he can communicateand there are , lots of ways for non
(22:23):
speaking autistic people to contribute, and that has been shown they have
real value in what they want to tellus and they just need to be heard.
So I don't think that , his communicationis his barrier , to working.
With Charlie, he has barrierswith, , even speaking, he finds
(22:44):
it difficult to communicate.
Sometimes he finds the words difficult.
He still is a valuable person.
I feel that if opportunity comes hisway, those barriers shouldn't be there
for him, he should be able to go into ajob, people should accept people on the
(23:04):
spectrum better than they do now, havemore understanding, and I think that's
where the world maybe needs to change.
We should give them the opportunitiesto, to have those opportunities
the same as neurotypical people.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com: The idea of equality. (23:20):
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And equal opportunities is what iscoming through to me, seems to be your
concern, whether your sons are havingthe same opportunity to take part in
society in the way society describesthe path of a young man leaving school,
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going on, settling down, making a job,having a family, blah, blah, blah.
What concerns me is thatoverall that might not be.
The most appropriate path for everybodyand I, as an autistic man who has
(24:13):
organized myself to, to establishbusinesses and to employ other people,
have now reached a stage where Idon't actually think that rejoining
the workforce in a conventional way, Isthe best thing for me because the way
(24:34):
the workforce is structured at the momentfeels inappropriate to me and I come from
this with a background of 40 years ofexperience working, do you see my concern?
Charles-Parker (24:52):
Yes, sorry, I can, I can see your concern and.
In many ways, I agree with you, butI think it's very, very important as
well, particularly with Charlie, ourolder son, you know, he, wants to go
to work, , he's not even wanting togo to work necessarily to earn money,
(25:16):
he wants to go to work, so that he canfeel the same as many others, that he's
doing something useful with his life.
And if he's doing something usefulwith his life, it's going to
make it much easier for him tomanage things like his anxiety.
(25:37):
With Christopher, I think the word work isperhaps the, the wrong word to use there
because it's not a case of him, , Goingout to work to earn a living, it is a
case of keeping Christopher busy, findingthings for him to do every day outside of
(25:58):
the home so that he doesn't become bored.
When someone like Christopher becomesbored, and we've proved this so many,
many times, boredom leads to behaviors.
Bad behaviors , we know for sure thatby getting him involved in something
(26:19):
different, , perhaps just one day a weekwould make that real difference to him.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (26:27):
May we just take a few minutes to break
now, Charles and Tina, I would like
.other people to instruct me on where they wish the conversation to go next,
or perhaps put their own voice to it.
So I'm going to go on mute for fiveminutes and make myself a cup of tea and
(26:48):
leave you in the company of Lucy and Ray,
Lucy-Autie-Unmasked (26:54):
okay.
Hello there, Charles.
Hello there, Tina.
This is Lucy.
, I was very late on with mydiagnosis, in my 40s when I
found out that I was autistic.
Do you feel that enough is done?
in the workplace to make autisticpeople comfortable enough to take on a
job and to feel confident in that job.
(27:15):
Do you think that it might be astruggle to find something that,
, your two could do and feel thatlike they're in a safe environment?
Tina-Parker (27:26):
Hi Lucy.
Yes, , the workplace isn't ready , andthis is what we want to change.
We want to make sure that.
Businesses are accepting if somebody wantsto work , in that environment, that they
are ready for that, that they have theright, mindset even things like the
(27:46):
interview, , could be done differently.
So that people feel more comfortable,the work environment , done differently
we want to change those sorts ofthings so that if somebody chooses
to work and I use the word choicebecause it is someone's choice,
whether they work, they don't work.
In an outside environment,we should make that better.
(28:09):
I don't think it is right at the minute.
That's what I personally would liketo see changed because people can't
always access work if they want
Lucy-Autie-Unmasked (28:20):
to.
Totally agree with that.
There's a lot of workthat needs to be done.
I've had jobs in my lifetime,but it's been very difficult
to find an environment where.
I can go in and gel withpeople , and be part of a team.
, I've always found that I'vehad to go, into several jobs.
I've been in and out of jobs for yearsand years and years trying to find
(28:42):
the comfortable place for myself.
I, do you think that one of theproblems that we have is that.
The perception of who an autistic personis or what an autistic person looks like
, people don't see me as being autistic whenI walk into a space, they can't really
tell from looking at me, I'm, I'm verbal.
But do you think that there is aperception of what autism looks
(29:04):
like, which gets in the way offinding proper work for people?
Charles-Parker (29:09):
I, I think there is that sort of perception.
Tina and I, you know, we'd both liketo say something on this, but one of
the, one of the things that I thinkis really important is that employers
should make sure that those People thatthey have within their, within their
(29:33):
business that are conducting interviewsshould have more education about autism.
They should be taught to understand sothat they can ask the right questions,
so that they can give the person that'sbeing interviewed additional time.
(29:56):
To answer because that person may havea problem, , taking things in we're
trying to move towards you know, weknow that Christopher most certainly is
never going to go and get a full time jobsomewhere, , we understand that Charlie.
He could quite easily do that if he wasgiven the right opportunity, and there
(30:20):
are many, many thousands more, , inthis country that are in a similar
situation, we always want to help people.
That's what our next missionreally to try and make things.
better for those people that arelooking to do something , really
useful with their lives.,
Tina-Parker (30:37):
Lucy, , that is an excellent question.
There, there is no faceto autism, is there?
, what does autism look like?
It doesn't look like anything.
It's a, it's a person.
It's an individual.
Our, our saying at the momentis autism is as unique as your
fingerprint, meaning we are all unique.
(31:00):
There is no face toautism, , there's no standard.
So we have to understand thebroader picture and we have
to support in all areas.
And we don't say to people, well,if you're not sociable, then you
don't fit into our organization.
You're not, therefore you're notan asset to our organization.
(31:20):
That shouldn't be, thatshould not be a factor.
The fact that you show up, youcontribute you get the work that
they want done should be enough.
And I think that's what, that'swhat I want to contribute to that.
Lucy-Autie-Unmasked (31:36):
I think that's a really good and really good answer.
It's almost like there really is nopreparation in any workplace to have
that edge where you can understandsomebody's communication problems
or why they don't fit into a team.
I've had so many times where I'vebeen kind of rejected, left out
of the conversations because asan autistic person, they kind
(31:57):
of don't know how to speak to meor don't know how to act with me.
So, yeah, thank you.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (32:04):
It's very interesting to me that we ended up here.
Where we've ended up in this conversation,starting from a series of three books,
With a fourth being written, the latestone of which discusses where your
sons are at this stage in their lives.
(32:28):
I'm imagining that a parent wouldlook to the first book and go through
a chronological experience alongsideyou, and that would benefit them.
Because if they can go through yourexperience, as that has happened
over a period of years, It canprepare them in the way that they
(32:48):
are thinking about the future.
Tell me where people will find the funand beauty and joy in what you've written.
Because at the moment, I think I've giventhe listener the opportunity to hear
(33:09):
about something that's quite challenging.
Where's the fun in the books?
Tina-Parker (33:17):
Oh, the fun is in, is just being in someone's
life that is just incredible.
And You know, the, uh, Christopher hasmoments when he repeats things cause
he has echolalia and he'll repeatsomething on, on a radio effort and just
have us in fits of laughter and you.
(33:38):
And you just think to yourself,wow, , there is such joy.
We are always so happy to, to, tohave that, that voice from him.
That, that music, I, I always think thathe, he just, he just adds so much to
our lives and yes, he's up there, ourchildren, we love them very much, but
(34:01):
I just feel that, everybody that I Thatit has something to contribute to life
, , and you get so much joy out of that, soyes, we do, we do have very funny moments
with Christopher and he's, he's brilliant,and I hope that people see that when
, they read the books that it's not allabout painting a picture or a story that
(34:26):
is negative because autism isn't negative.
This is just how people are, this is,this is Christopher, this is Charlie, this
is everybody that is on the spectrum, andwe're just trying to just show that in
that chronological order to give peoplehope, express some of the challenges,
(34:47):
but say how we got through them, howthey can learn from us, how they can
do things better, hopefully as well.
Charles-Parker (34:56):
We've actually experienced , many days in our life
when we've had real battles on ourhands with, social workers and people
like that, we've never, ever given up.
And one of the things perhaps we'vewritten the books for is to show other
people that they must never, ever giveup with whatever they want in life.
(35:18):
They should carry on fighting,whether it's, for themselves, or
whether it's for their autistic child.
Never give up.
I remember very distinctly, , Onelady who was bringing up her
autistic child on her own.
She sent us a reviewand she said, Thank you.
(35:42):
I do not feel alone anymore.
And I've always rememberedthose words and I treasure them.
That tells me we're doing somethingright for people like that lady
and for others out there as well.
Particularly, perhaps, to thosethat find it difficult to come
(36:02):
back and say something like that.
Sit at home, having read thebook, and think that way.
You know, and to us, it'sbeen a pleasure to help them.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com: Well, there it is. (36:16):
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Charles and Tina.
Every time you receive one of thosecontacts from somebody I think you
should believe that behind thatsingle contact is another hundred or
a thousand people who feel the same.
(36:38):
I haven't read your book.
Speaking with you, and listeningto you, I am entirely happy to
ask people to go to the website,
no hyphens, just thewords, tell it as it is.
And I think just knowing thatyou chose that website name means
(37:02):
that in your books, we will findtwo parents who are unflinchingly
describing their experiencefor the benefit of others.
Thank you so much for comingto speak to us and enjoying
the equity and communication.
Charles-Parker (37:22):
The website is tellitasitis.
uk every book we end with a poem.
This one
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com: Tina has called, I, a human. (37:30):
undefined
When you're ready.
Tina-Parker (37:37):
I am human.
I am human.
I am just like you.
I am loved by family and friends.
When you see me, knowthat I am just like you.
Yes, I have more challenges, butthese are not mine to change.
(38:00):
But for you to understand.
Understand my world andyours will be better.
I am untouched by the uglinessof actions of others thoughts.
So my world is a happier place.
Join me and understand.
You will see I am human, just like you.
(38:25):
Yes, I have a label, butit does not define me.
I am me first, a person whois living, Loving, learning
and growing, just like you.
I am an individual andunique in my talents.
I may need extra support.
(38:46):
But I can achieve the same, just like you.
Autism is a rainbow of colours andspecial people that enrich our lives.
Step inside.
Find out.
Learn more.
Find out that we are not a condition.
We are not to be feared or ignored.
(39:09):
We are as amazing as isevery human on this planet.
I am human and I matter too.
Thank you so much.
Jules-Autistic-Radio.com (39:21):
Beautifully written and beautifully read.
The website
tellitasitis.
uk No hyphens, no spaces,just the words Tell.
It.
As.
It.
Is.
(39:43):
That says it all really, doesn't it?
Thank you everyone today and joinus again on Autistic Radio Where we
will be speaking to more inspiringpeople, like the allies and advocates
that we have just met, Charlesand Tina Parker, tellitasitis.
uk
(40:07):
Autistic radio is about us,it's for us, and it's from us.
Autistic radio is about you, it'sfor you, and it can be from you.
We have, every single Sunday, drop in, 4.
(40:29):
44pm every Sunday.
That's not live, that's us gettingtogether, us talking, community.
Every Sunday, Harry leads a 5 55 p. m. A discussion around the
Facebook page that he creates.
(40:51):
Involve yourself by suggestingwhat we should talk about next.
Share it with Harry.
And then, the bigger picture.
Advocate.
Use us.
Speak to the world.
Your project, your idea, your enthusiasm.
(41:14):
We have a whole range of differentprograms that will fit what you want.
As far as listening goes, there'ssome challenging stuff out there.
Because amongst the identity, theentertainment, and the community,
we also make serious programs withautism professionals, challenging
(41:41):
their ideas, and bringing whatyou say in other spaces to them.
A lot of those are difficult listens,but it's a holistic gathering.
It comes all together.
Autistic radio is very varied.
(42:03):
We need a favour.
To encourage us, we need you to share us.
When you share us, yougive autistic people power.
When you share us, you makeus impossible to ignore.
When you repost on LinkedIn and Facebookand anywhere else, you're advocating
(42:30):
for everybody in the autistic community.
So pick the things that you'rehappy with and get them out there.
So thank you.
Thank you, thank you.
Thank you, from all of us.
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