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Dad-The-Danifesto (00:00):
Hello.
How you doing, buddy?
Yeah, I'm, I'm not doing too bad.
Yeah.
I'm Daniel.
, Thank you so much for havingme on autistic radio today.
I'm honestly buzzing to be here.
, I'm, I'm 16.
I'm from Liverpool and I've runa podcast called The Danifesto.
It's basically me talking aboutlife, autism, ADHD growing up.
(00:22):
And all the stuff nobodyexplains properly.
I try to keep it real, you know,I am, I try not to edit much.
I try not to have any filtersand new fake positivity.
And that is why I love being here,because you know, this, feels
like, you know, real and genuine.
School hasn't always been easy.
(00:45):
Primary school was really rough.
And people didn't understand me.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (00:50):
What, what do you think it's possible for us to do for you?
Because.
The way I look at it, this isa really unequal relationship
because we'll probably get morefrom you than you get from us.
, Dad-The-Danifesto (01:05):
To be honest.
Whatever you have to offer.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (01:09):
Yeah,
A real big asset.
It feels to me as though youhave some really important USP.
A real big asset.
I haven't come across anybody who iswilling to talk about the, the experience
of somebody your age and around your age.
(01:30):
No doubt you can talk for people alittle bit younger than you and a
little bit older than you as well.
And, and add to that, I, Ithink that's a really important
thing that you have there.
Thank you very much.
I think the other thing.
Is the reason that we're talking nowis because a lady called Kit grabbed
hold of me at a conference and said,wow, you've gotta speak to this.
(01:51):
Dan And she was really blown away.
Then they say, you know, yougotta hear about Dan because
Dan's got this thing going.
So that's a lovely thing for you,and I'm really happy that that's
happening . You've just had thatlittle bit of opportunity that people
need, and I think that's great.
Dad-The-Danifesto (02:09):
Yeah.
I, I just, I just wanna help people,you know, so if I'm, if they listen
to me podcast and it sounds likethem, that they're not alone and
it's not them being difficult.
It's the environments thatthey're surrounded in and they
don't understand them properly.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com: You're impressive. (02:25):
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You're a really bright guy.
Thank you very much.
I was 16 once, but it wasa fucking long time ago.
Mate.
You know, I'm 60 now, rememberbeing incredibly angry.
I was, if you look at my schoolphotograph from back in the 1980s,
(02:45):
you will, into the seventies, you willsee a young man of 14, 15, 16 staring
down the camera and defying it, youknow, in a kind of sneering attitude.
And I'm coming to you.
I'm coming across you, andyou are, you are none of that.
You, you are really together.
You are, you are in a
(03:06):
I think other people tell you this.
Yeah.
Dad-The-Danifesto (03:08):
Yeah.
Um, I, I didn't used to be like this.
I used to be unsettled 24 7.
And I reckon it's, it's becauseof the, or most of it is
because of the school I went to.
I've recently, well, not recently,about four years ago, joined an SEN
school and it's changed me life really.
I just feel a lot more calmerand just more easygoing.
(03:32):
Have they drugged you up as
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (03:33):
well?
Dad-The-Danifesto (03:34):
They tried to, so they wanted me to take medication.
I took it for a bit, but the first dayI took it, I had like a little seizure.
Like, um, so that wasn't reallythe best experience for me.
But then I took memedication for two years.
I took me medication for, and it just,it made me feel depressed and really low.
(03:59):
And the, could I take an hour taxi?
So, um, I used to have it in themorning, then at lunchtime, and then
it used to drop down in the taxi.
And it used to cause, like mood dropsmeltdown me feeling hungry because it
put off me appetite in the day and itjust wasn't very pleasurable to take.
(04:19):
So, um, I just, I stopped.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (04:22):
Yeah, I'm, I'm not saying that the drugs
that get offered are without value.
Mm-hmm.
Because I know that some of my colleaguesare, you know, using the drugs that
are prescribed to them, especiallythose who also identify as a DHD.
But I do have a, I do have a fearthat if people receive these kind of
(04:43):
medications, these real strong thingsearly on in their career as an autistic
man and um, or their existence in anautistic man, it kind of skews everything.
And what I'm, I'm seeing that your kindof raw dogging it, but just because
I'm saying, Hey, I'm glad that you'reraw dogging it now, doesn't mean that
(05:04):
in the future it might not be useful.
You know, I'm not tryingto give you any Yeah.
You know, prejudice, badadvice here in any way.
Dad-The-Danifesto (05:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Medication wasn't, not for me, but forsome people I think it really helps.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (05:16):
Hmm.
I'm, I'm not sure about that yet.
I have to say that as a, as akind of line that, you know, yeah.
I'm open to the idea that it does helppeople and rarely, and occasionally some
people do say that it, it got them oversomething, a respite from, from something.
But there's a lot of it out thereand I find that they scare me.
(05:40):
All these mind alteringsubstances that, uh, that seem
so strong in the medicine tablet.
Dad-The-Danifesto: Yeah, a hundred percent. (05:47):
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Um, 'cause I've only been around peoplewho have took medication and they still,
under 18, I haven't been around peoplewho are over 18 and that what can it,
what it can affect in the long term?
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (06:02):
I think.
The possibility is that we can learnfrom each other if we just, instead
of giving each other advice, if wejust share, tell each other how we
do things, and then give each otherthe opportunity to think, oh, that's
something that is working for that person.
We'll copy it or we'lluse it, or vice versa.
(06:23):
. Does that make sense?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think the thing you need to keep , isyour uniqueness, your independent.
You don't want to be, you don't wantto, to hang your hook on somebody else.
You want to have your own hook andmake sure that you are in control
of, what you are doing, whetherit's a short term or a long term
(06:45):
art project, it has to be from you.
Yeah,
yeah, yeah.
I'm saying these things out loudso that you know that I know them.
If you're not.
It's, it's, it's not tellingyou anything you don't know?
Dad-The-Danifesto (07:00):
No, no, no.
Yeah.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (07:01):
Cool.
What's your, what's your method so far?
What, how do you, how do you go aboutthings when you're thinking about a
subject or a person to, to speak to?
Dad-The-Danifesto (07:11):
I don't honestly know.
I just, I just go in OO open-minded.
. Do you do a lot of research then?
Bit bits and bobs.
Just do a bit of research, do some points,, and get, get some questions down.
Yeah.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (07:28):
My method's different 'cause I don't do any research.
No, you you're
going blind.
Yeah.
I going completely blind.
It doesn't always work.
There's a balance, isn't there?
, If you have somewhere to start frombecause you've done your research,
that can in some circumstances meanpeople just follow a whole thing.
(07:49):
But the other alternative of just goingin and then following on from what the
person said last, and then just keepadding to the same theme can break down.
So the middle, the middle way, I suppose,is to go in with some research and then
adapt in the moment, go with the person.
Is that kind of where you are aiming?
Dad-The-Danifesto (08:10):
Yeah.
So when I go in, I normallyhave, , an iPad or something with
like bullet points at the top.
So it says like an intro and thenit's like a test time management.
So it's like, um, intro and a bitabout them and a bit about me, and then
when I can relate to stuff in that.
So, um, it, it gives me stuff togo from and then I pick up from it.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (08:33):
Yeah, I do it differently to that.
I usually press the record buttonand then I speak with a person
until their voice warms up, untiltheir confident to speak out.
That happens with the professional.
Well, and then I usually have, haveframed something in that first bit.
(08:55):
Tells the listener who theyare or whatever, natural.
And then I introduce theperson and in a formal way.
So then I say to them, and nowI'll do an introduction for you.
And I go off and I do the introduction,and then they speak from there.
So hopefully when they speak fromthere, their voice is already
warmed up and they're, and they'reready and they're used to it.
(09:17):
But I will usually use somethingfrom before that, like an outtake.
So the listener , when they hearus, they kind of think, oh, they're
just talking amongst themselves.
And then, uh, quick what, what theyon about, and then it's introduced.
So that's, that's a difference.
That's a different way of doing it.
But it, yeah, originally it annoyedmost of the people that worked
with, 'cause it wasn't conventional.
Dad-The-Danifesto (09:39):
Yeah.
'cause I normally, if let's sayI'm doing someone, I do a bit of
research or I have in my head or onpaper , what, what they do as a job.
So I can , ask them questions about itand yeah, make conversation with it.
Okay.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (09:54):
Alright.
Well I'm gonna do an introduction to younow and I'm gonna suggest that we make a
podcast about you and about your podcastand we send people in your direction.
Does that make sense to you?
Yes, it does.
Let's go for it.
Amazing.
Ready when you are.
Oh, remember that?
This is all edited.
Okay.
So if you start a sentence and yourealize you should have started
(10:18):
it somewhere else, just stop.
Allow me to cut that bit outand then say the thing again.
And do it as many times as you like.
Amazing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And also, if the dog barks in thebackground or something and you
hear, and you hear it, or you dosomething like, I've just done.
Rewind.
Start the sentence again so I can justcut the bit out with the coughing.
(10:40):
Yeah.
It's not amazing.
Yeah, it's not a normal conversation.
It's a constructive conversation.
And the other thing is you willhear me go silent possibly for four
seconds, possibly for 30 seconds, but.
That's just me thinking that.
Just, just just bear with it.
Dad-The-Danifesto (10:58):
Yeah.
Yeah.
How's it gonna work or are you gonnaask me questions or are we just
gonna have a conversation with it?
We're
Jules-AutisticRadio.com: just gonna see what happens. (11:04):
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Dad-The-Danifesto (11:06):
Alright.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (11:07):
Hello and welcome back to Autistic Radio.
It's lovely when you come across a newvoice, a new autistic voice that is saying
something different about the experienceof autism from what we can do on our own.
And one of those new voices isDan, Dan of the Dan Danifesto.
Dan has a new podcast that covers areasthat are hazy in the past from me, school
(11:30):
days being young, being free, beingout there, being autistic and young.
. Welcome to Autistic Radio today.
How are you doing, mate?
Dad-The-Danifesto (11:38):
I'm doing amazing.
Yeah.
Thank you so much for having me.
Um, I'm honestly buzzing just to be here.
Yeah.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (11:45):
Well, it's exciting to know that your voice will
be out there and other people will behearing you and some of those people
out there are gonna be surprisedthat your are such a young person.
Dad-The-Danifesto (11:54):
I'm Daniel Evans.
I'm 16.
I'm, I've proper struggled in schooland I just want, um, other people my
age who can relate to me and, um, seeif I can try and help them in any way.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (12:10):
So, am I reading it right that the Danifesto is a way for
a person that your age can speak to otherpeople of your age who might identify
with autism through your experience?
Dad-The-Danifesto (12:21):
Yeah, here you are.
I just want other people to get in contactwith me if I can try and help them in
any way, or I can get someone else whois knowledgeable in a type of area, and
then get someone else who needs helpin that type of area and match them up.
I just want to help peopleto have a good childhood.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (12:42):
Have you always had a good childhood, Dan?
Dad-The-Danifesto (12:46):
I've, I've tried to be given a good childhood.
I've been really fortunate,but with my parents, they've
been absolutely amazing for me.
They've tried to help me in manyways possible, but they couldn't
get the environment right for me.
In school and that,
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (13:02):
so all good at home, but it was the school
that was the issue for you whenyou were first assigned to school?
Dad-The-Danifesto (13:09):
Yeah, home was a bit of a struggle as well, and
school was a bit of a struggle.
Everything was just a bit of a struggle.
No one really understood me but me,mom, definitely, me mom went out
her way and learned about my brainand really tried to understand me
and help me in any way possible.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (13:26):
So your story is one more about the
understanding or the realization ofautism as a young person primarily.
Dad-The-Danifesto (13:35):
Yeah, yeah.
Autism and A DHD and NeuroD diversion.
People just, um, I want to giveadvice to parents, teachers, and kids,
you know, on how to help everyone.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (13:47):
Yeah.
It's a word.
It's a real worthy aim thatgiving advice, isn't it?
Problem is, my experience of life is thateven when you want to give advice, the
timing is crucial thing and the format.
The opportunity has to come.
It's very difficult if you feel as thoughyou have advice to give, to find people
(14:12):
receptive that why you started a podcast.
Dad-The-Danifesto (14:15):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've started a podcast, um, and hopefullywith me podcast, I'll have different
names of the podcast, the title.
So if anyone's struggling inthat department, they can direct
themselves to the , title.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (14:28):
You're building up a library of experience on different
subjects by speaking to different people.
Are you finding the peoplereceptive to come on your podcast
and have that conversation?
Do you find them easily?
Some people come
Dad-The-Danifesto (14:44):
to me and there's some people who I would like to reach out ', I
wanna reach out to famous people to seeif they'll try and back can build me
fan base and also the more fan base a abuild, the more people who has similar
needs to me will be able to find me.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (15:03):
Where do people find you right now?
Where can they listen to the Dan Fea?
Dad-The-Danifesto (15:08):
You can listen to me on Spotify, apple
Podcasts, Amazon Music, YouTube.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (15:15):
You've started this podcast recently
and it's a big undertaking.
How's that gone for?
Dad-The-Danifesto (15:21):
It's being steady, , because I've still got me
GCSEs in school, so I'm trying tobalance them that out with the podcast
and try and keep everyone happy.
Um.
Yeah.
Um, I'm just using what I've got with theequipments and just trying to put together
something that people can relate to
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (15:42):
and people can watch and enjoy.
Okay.
I'm looking at your Danifesto,.
You've got Kit Messenger, whichyou got down to 21 minutes.
That's brilliant.
Dad-The-Danifesto (15:52):
Mm-hmm.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com: Welcome to the Danifesto. (15:52):
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I'm Dan.
This channel is all about my life.
A DH, D brain, the stuffnobody explains properly, and
conversations that actually matter.
Expect honesty, humor, chaos.
The good time and stories from myworld, full family growing up in
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There's a story behind you.
Story is something that a lotof people your age are a little
bit older than you will relate.
It's about how you started in oneenvironment and moved on to a different
(16:37):
environment that was more suitable.
What changed
Dad-The-Danifesto (16:41):
The school?
It was small, smaller classes, , so lessoverwhelming and . Less overwhelming and
people actually talk to you like human.
The teachers they , understood my braina bit better, and they didn't judge.
They explained things thatactually made sense for me.
(17:03):
And yeah, it was just a, a lotbetter with the environment felt.
I felt a lot, , I felt a lot more safe.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (17:11):
This is moving from mainstream school.
SEN or special educational needs.
Yes, that's right.
Provision.
What are the main difference?
You've said you feel saferand you feel understood.
Dad-The-Danifesto (17:23):
I think it was a bit of me growing up, being more responsible.
Um, and yet with it being, um,a smaller school really helped.
Um, and, and, and the teachers as well.
They really understood me.
So, yeah.
The main difference now wasthey don't jump to conclusion.
They don't point thinkfingers and they don't judge.
(17:45):
So instead of going straight toconsequences, they'll short up
what happened and try to dormit down, if that makes sense.
Try and find a solution thatwould never happen again.
Instead of just punishment.
Push.
Punishments.
Punishments.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (18:03):
Did you feel in mainstream education that punishment Yeah.
Is where you all the time?
Um,
Dad-The-Danifesto (18:09):
I made a, a mistake, I would try my best, but, um, go to the head
teacher's office, you know, go outsidethe classroom, you know, because there
was one time in mainstream where it wasprimary school, so they were all sitting.
On, on tables together, and it was justme on the back, on me, all by myself.
(18:30):
So, um, if they wanted me out
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (18:32):
the way, trying to drill down into this
with you, Dan, the picture you'vepainted is that in mainstream school,
people didn't have enough time.
There were too many people for theteachers to consider dealing with
you individually, so you became.
(18:53):
Somebody who was in troubleand slightly excluded.
Have I picked the picture, right?
Yes.
Is that what you're saying?
Exactly,
Dad-The-Danifesto (19:01):
exactly right.
Um, to too many people, to the teachersto, you know, say, well done to
everyone, and they just excluded me.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (19:11):
So it was the pressure that the, the staff were
under that meant that you RegEd out thesituation and now in your new school.
You have the luxury of more staffin as a ratio to pupil, but also you
feel as though there's a, a differencein attitude from the teachers.
(19:32):
Yeah, 100%.
Dad-The-Danifesto (19:34):
Definitely.
In the school that I'm at now, turningpoints , the attitude on the teachers
and ev everything,, right now in myclass, I've got about six, six people
in my class and with two staff members.
So, . Yeah, it's just, , a lot better.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (19:50):
Do you think it would be possible to take some of
the knowledge and attitude that comesfrom the people in this new school
and insert it into the old environmentwith the same amount of pupil This.
Possible.
Dad-The-Danifesto (20:02):
Yeah, definitely.
And that's what I'm tryingto do with my podcast.
, Like if, if teachers came in with theright mindset and knew which people, you
know, to help all that, not just excludingthem, I'm moving, moving them to the side.
I think it, it would just help everyone.
So yeah, that's part of my podcast.
And, um, trying to teach teacherswill, will help them and give
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (20:27):
them advice.
So you think a teacher listening to yourpodcast and listening to the authentic
experience of somebody in your positionmight give them flashbulb moments of
inspiration that they can take back towhat is a less than ideal environment,
Dad-The-Danifesto (20:42):
hopefully Yeah.
Um, just with me talking and giving myexperience, um, it might go, oh, I, I, I
just go straight to discipline, straightto him,, go out the classroom, you know.
And , also what really doesn'thelp in mainstream is there's
hardly any like motion breaks.
(21:03):
So in the school I'm at now, if Ineed like five minutes, I just say,
and they, they will, they'll letme have five minutes to just go out
and, you know, re-regulate myself.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (21:14):
I think you can possibly see where I'm pointing
with, because in our society at themoment, there's a whole backlash about
special education needs provision.
Because the cost as it has beenprovided in the conventional ways
up until now is unsustainable.
The number of people who nowidentify as autistic or A DHD is
(21:37):
far outside the original estimate,and the whole system is struggling.
Local government.
He's struggling under the, the debtand cost that special educational needs
juices here in the UK and possiblyin other countries around the world.
If it was possible for enough knowledgefrom people like yourself, people
(22:03):
who have recently experienced theeducational system to inform , the
teachers who are already in the system,do you think that is a way forward?
Rather than the increase in specialeducational needs provision that
is going to be available to a smallnumber of people, but not the majority.
Dad-The-Danifesto (22:24):
Yeah, it's getting out of hand and quite expensive for
the local governments to have the, allthese different schools that the council
will local governments are paying.
But yeah, it would be nice.
, most kids will take advantage if you,they give them five minutes to go
out and have, um, a motion break ormost stuff in the classroom that will
(22:48):
help with people with special needs.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (22:51):
That's interesting . One of the things that
you find helpful, the ability to take abreak, regulate your own emotions, then
return to the classroom is somethingthat you really value in your SEN school.
But you've just said that if thatwas introduced to Main Street, it
would be difficult because it wouldbe abused by the rest of the pupil.
(23:12):
So maybe you are saying it isn't possible,
Dad-The-Danifesto (23:14):
it would be nice to be possible, but I reckon in this
day and age, with most people takingadvantage of going out, you know, um,
having no less time, I think it's, it'snot looking, not looking good for that.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (23:28):
So we're gonna end up in a bit of an apartheid
situation, aren't we, Daniel?
We're going to end up with moreand more people being removed
from conventional schooling.
And they're not being the places forthem in special educational needs
provision because society says thatthey're unwilling to put the, the
money into them, which is going to meanmore and more people who are autistic
(23:52):
at A DHD falling out of education.
Yeah, yeah.
People
Dad-The-Danifesto (23:55):
won't, won't end up being in school and that could affect
their future if they don't get thequalification they need to get a a job.
So yeah, it's just.
Hard and difficult to definitelyput your finger on it and estimate
what's gonna happen in the near future
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (24:12):
in your new school with a smaller class
size and specially trained teacherswho deal with things head on, as
you say, have the skills to do so.
Training course, the cost of that mustbe the equivalent of sending you to Eton.
Dad-The-Danifesto (24:30):
Yeah, it really is.
Um, it's really expensive.
Some people just just need it, andit would be good if these SEN schools
got even bigger and had the samesize, if not bigger as a mainstream
with all these different classes.
But again, WW with thefunds just seems impossible.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (24:51):
Most people like yourself who have a passion podcast to
address the issues that affect themselves.
Usually reaching out to people in similarsituations, do you see your listenership
being the people of your age or alsothe professionals who working with
(25:13):
people looking for hints and tips to,to just bring tiny bit more enlightened
practice into their current situation?
Because whilst we've describeda very difficult situation.
There have to be smallthings that make big.
Yeah.
Dad-The-Danifesto (25:31):
Yeah.
Um, I would love to have allkinds of ages, , and professionals
come and listen to my podcast.
Hopefully I can give them some tipsand some idea of what, what they
can do to try and help, , a kidin, in their class or even to help
themselves , in a classroom environment.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (25:52):
So perhaps you imagine a teacher who has.
A difficulty in their classroomlistening to a podcast that where
you address the problem and findingsome reassurance or some solace
Dad-The-Danifesto (26:05):
I'm not like a magic, a magic genie.
I can't just magic,, solution to everything.
But, , if I've experienced it, I'lljust share my experience and what
could have been better in that time , Ican't promise that I'll fix everything,
every problem because I just can't.
So, um, if someone has a problem,they can message me or, um,
(26:25):
contact me in the podcast.
And then if I've been throughthat, I can, I can say, oh
yeah, I've been through that.
It's quite difficult.
Or if I can't, if I haven't beenthrough that, and I can try and
find someone who else who has, ortry and redirect them to somewhere
that they can get some advice from.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (26:47):
Well, I'm looking forward to hearing.
More from your podcast.
I know that when I sent thelink round to my colleagues,
it has been listened to by us.
Let's put a call out right now.
Say, if you are a young person aroundabout Dan's age, a little bit older,
a little bit younger, and you have anexperience of the school system, either
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SEN provision or regular provision,contact Dan and have a word with him.
Add your voices to Dan's project.
What I think Dan will be doing overthe next little while is recording
the genuine, authentic thoughts ofpeople who are in the system right now.
And by listening, we can oftenfind imaginative solutions that
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don't cost the world that are justslight changes in accommodation.
So the kids who are autistic and ADHD in the mainstream and also in SEN.
Get their best opportunity from life.
Thank you, Dan.
Thank you for coming and speakingto us about your project.
No, so thank you.
Pleasure for having me.
Dad-The-Danifesto (27:56):
Yeah, thank you very much.
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Hello.
How you doing, buddy?
Yeah, I'm, I'm not doing too bad.
Yeah.
I'm Daniel.
, Thank you so much for havingme on autistic radio today.
I'm honestly buzzing to be here.
, I'm, I'm 16.
I'm from Liverpool and I've runa podcast called The Danifesto.
It's basically me talking aboutlife, autism, ADHD growing up.
(00:22):
And all the stuff nobodyexplains properly.
I try to keep it real, you know,I am, I try not to edit much.
I try not to have any filtersand new fake positivity.
And that is why I love being here,because you know, this, feels
like, you know, real and genuine.
School hasn't always been easy.
(00:45):
Primary school was really rough.
And people didn't understand me.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (00:50):
What, what do you think it's possible for us to do for you?
Because.
The way I look at it, this isa really unequal relationship
because we'll probably get morefrom you than you get from us.
, Dad-The-Danifesto (01:05):
To be honest.
Whatever you have to offer.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (01:09):
Yeah,
A real big asset.
It feels to me as though youhave some really important USP.
A real big asset.
I haven't come across anybody who iswilling to talk about the, the experience
of somebody your age and around your age.
(01:30):
No doubt you can talk for people alittle bit younger than you and a
little bit older than you as well.
And, and add to that, I, Ithink that's a really important
thing that you have there.
Thank you very much.
I think the other thing.
Is the reason that we're talking nowis because a lady called Kit grabbed
hold of me at a conference and said,wow, you've gotta speak to this.
(01:51):
Dan And she was really blown away.
Then they say, you know, yougotta hear about Dan because
Dan's got this thing going.
So that's a lovely thing for you,and I'm really happy that that's
happening . You've just had thatlittle bit of opportunity that people
need, and I think that's great.
Dad-The-Danifesto (02:09):
Yeah.
I, I just, I just wanna help people,you know, so if I'm, if they listen
to me podcast and it sounds likethem, that they're not alone and
it's not them being difficult.
It's the environments thatthey're surrounded in and they
don't understand them properly.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com: You're impressive. (02:25):
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You're a really bright guy.
Thank you very much.
I was 16 once, but it wasa fucking long time ago.
Mate.
You know, I'm 60 now, rememberbeing incredibly angry.
I was, if you look at my schoolphotograph from back in the 1980s,
(02:45):
you will, into the seventies, you willsee a young man of 14, 15, 16 staring
down the camera and defying it, youknow, in a kind of sneering attitude.
And I'm coming to you.
I'm coming across you, andyou are, you are none of that.
You, you are really together.
You are, you are in a
(03:06):
I think other people tell you this.
Yeah.
Dad-The-Danifesto (03:08):
Yeah.
Um, I, I didn't used to be like this.
I used to be unsettled 24 7.
And I reckon it's, it's becauseof the, or most of it is
because of the school I went to.
I've recently, well, not recently,about four years ago, joined an SEN
school and it's changed me life really.
I just feel a lot more calmerand just more easygoing.
(03:32):
Have they drugged you up as
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (03:33):
well?
Dad-The-Danifesto (03:34):
They tried to, so they wanted me to take medication.
I took it for a bit, but the first dayI took it, I had like a little seizure.
Like, um, so that wasn't reallythe best experience for me.
But then I took memedication for two years.
I took me medication for, and it just,it made me feel depressed and really low.
(03:59):
And the, could I take an hour taxi?
So, um, I used to have it in themorning, then at lunchtime, and then
it used to drop down in the taxi.
And it used to cause, like mood dropsmeltdown me feeling hungry because it
put off me appetite in the day and itjust wasn't very pleasurable to take.
(04:19):
So, um, I just, I stopped.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (04:22):
Yeah, I'm, I'm not saying that the drugs
that get offered are without value.
Mm-hmm.
Because I know that some of my colleaguesare, you know, using the drugs that
are prescribed to them, especiallythose who also identify as a DHD.
But I do have a, I do have a fearthat if people receive these kind of
(04:43):
medications, these real strong thingsearly on in their career as an autistic
man and um, or their existence in anautistic man, it kind of skews everything.
And what I'm, I'm seeing that your kindof raw dogging it, but just because
I'm saying, Hey, I'm glad that you'reraw dogging it now, doesn't mean that
(05:04):
in the future it might not be useful.
You know, I'm not tryingto give you any Yeah.
You know, prejudice, badadvice here in any way.
Dad-The-Danifesto (05:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Medication wasn't, not for me, but forsome people I think it really helps.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (05:16):
Hmm.
I'm, I'm not sure about that yet.
I have to say that as a, as akind of line that, you know, yeah.
I'm open to the idea that it does helppeople and rarely, and occasionally some
people do say that it, it got them oversomething, a respite from, from something.
But there's a lot of it out thereand I find that they scare me.
(05:40):
All these mind alteringsubstances that, uh, that seem
so strong in the medicine tablet.
Dad-The-Danifesto: Yeah, a hundred percent. (05:47):
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Um, 'cause I've only been around peoplewho have took medication and they still,
under 18, I haven't been around peoplewho are over 18 and that what can it,
what it can affect in the long term?
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (06:02):
I think.
The possibility is that we can learnfrom each other if we just, instead
of giving each other advice, if wejust share, tell each other how we
do things, and then give each otherthe opportunity to think, oh, that's
something that is working for that person.
We'll copy it or we'lluse it, or vice versa.
(06:23):
. Does that make sense?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think the thing you need to keep , isyour uniqueness, your independent.
You don't want to be, you don't wantto, to hang your hook on somebody else.
You want to have your own hook andmake sure that you are in control
of, what you are doing, whetherit's a short term or a long term
(06:45):
art project, it has to be from you.
Yeah,
yeah, yeah.
I'm saying these things out loudso that you know that I know them.
If you're not.
It's, it's, it's not tellingyou anything you don't know?
Dad-The-Danifesto (07:00):
No, no, no.
Yeah.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (07:01):
Cool.
What's your, what's your method so far?
What, how do you, how do you go aboutthings when you're thinking about a
subject or a person to, to speak to?
Dad-The-Danifesto (07:11):
I don't honestly know.
I just, I just go in OO open-minded.
. Do you do a lot of research then?
Bit bits and bobs.
Just do a bit of research, do some points,, and get, get some questions down.
Yeah.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (07:28):
My method's different 'cause I don't do any research.
No, you you're
going blind.
Yeah.
I going completely blind.
It doesn't always work.
There's a balance, isn't there?
, If you have somewhere to start frombecause you've done your research,
that can in some circumstances meanpeople just follow a whole thing.
(07:49):
But the other alternative of just goingin and then following on from what the
person said last, and then just keepadding to the same theme can break down.
So the middle, the middle way, I suppose,is to go in with some research and then
adapt in the moment, go with the person.
Is that kind of where you are aiming?
Dad-The-Danifesto (08:10):
Yeah.
So when I go in, I normallyhave, , an iPad or something with
like bullet points at the top.
So it says like an intro and thenit's like a test time management.
So it's like, um, intro and a bitabout them and a bit about me, and then
when I can relate to stuff in that.
So, um, it, it gives me stuff togo from and then I pick up from it.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (08:33):
Yeah, I do it differently to that.
I usually press the record buttonand then I speak with a person
until their voice warms up, untiltheir confident to speak out.
That happens with the professional.
Well, and then I usually have, haveframed something in that first bit.
(08:55):
Tells the listener who theyare or whatever, natural.
And then I introduce theperson and in a formal way.
So then I say to them, and nowI'll do an introduction for you.
And I go off and I do the introduction,and then they speak from there.
So hopefully when they speak fromthere, their voice is already
warmed up and they're, and they'reready and they're used to it.
(09:17):
But I will usually use somethingfrom before that, like an outtake.
So the listener , when they hearus, they kind of think, oh, they're
just talking amongst themselves.
And then, uh, quick what, what theyon about, and then it's introduced.
So that's, that's a difference.
That's a different way of doing it.
But it, yeah, originally it annoyedmost of the people that worked
with, 'cause it wasn't conventional.
Dad-The-Danifesto (09:39):
Yeah.
'cause I normally, if let's sayI'm doing someone, I do a bit of
research or I have in my head or onpaper , what, what they do as a job.
So I can , ask them questions about itand yeah, make conversation with it.
Okay.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (09:54):
Alright.
Well I'm gonna do an introduction to younow and I'm gonna suggest that we make a
podcast about you and about your podcastand we send people in your direction.
Does that make sense to you?
Yes, it does.
Let's go for it.
Amazing.
Ready when you are.
Oh, remember that?
This is all edited.
Okay.
So if you start a sentence and yourealize you should have started
(10:18):
it somewhere else, just stop.
Allow me to cut that bit outand then say the thing again.
And do it as many times as you like.
Amazing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And also, if the dog barks in thebackground or something and you
hear, and you hear it, or you dosomething like, I've just done.
Rewind.
Start the sentence again so I can justcut the bit out with the coughing.
(10:40):
Yeah.
It's not amazing.
Yeah, it's not a normal conversation.
It's a constructive conversation.
And the other thing is you willhear me go silent possibly for four
seconds, possibly for 30 seconds, but.
That's just me thinking that.
Just, just just bear with it.
Dad-The-Danifesto (10:58):
Yeah.
Yeah.
How's it gonna work or are you gonnaask me questions or are we just
gonna have a conversation with it?
We're
Jules-AutisticRadio.com: just gonna see what happens. (11:04):
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Dad-The-Danifesto (11:06):
Alright.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (11:07):
Hello and welcome back to Autistic Radio.
It's lovely when you come across a newvoice, a new autistic voice that is saying
something different about the experienceof autism from what we can do on our own.
And one of those new voices isDan, Dan of the Dan Danifesto.
Dan has a new podcast that covers areasthat are hazy in the past from me, school
(11:30):
days being young, being free, beingout there, being autistic and young.
. Welcome to Autistic Radio today.
How are you doing, mate?
Dad-The-Danifesto (11:38):
I'm doing amazing.
Yeah.
Thank you so much for having me.
Um, I'm honestly buzzing just to be here.
Yeah.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (11:45):
Well, it's exciting to know that your voice will
be out there and other people will behearing you and some of those people
out there are gonna be surprisedthat your are such a young person.
Dad-The-Danifesto (11:54):
I'm Daniel Evans.
I'm 16.
I'm, I've proper struggled in schooland I just want, um, other people my
age who can relate to me and, um, seeif I can try and help them in any way.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (12:10):
So, am I reading it right that the Danifesto is a way for
a person that your age can speak to otherpeople of your age who might identify
with autism through your experience?
Dad-The-Danifesto (12:21):
Yeah, here you are.
I just want other people to get in contactwith me if I can try and help them in
any way, or I can get someone else whois knowledgeable in a type of area, and
then get someone else who needs helpin that type of area and match them up.
I just want to help peopleto have a good childhood.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (12:42):
Have you always had a good childhood, Dan?
Dad-The-Danifesto (12:46):
I've, I've tried to be given a good childhood.
I've been really fortunate,but with my parents, they've
been absolutely amazing for me.
They've tried to help me in manyways possible, but they couldn't
get the environment right for me.
In school and that,
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (13:02):
so all good at home, but it was the school
that was the issue for you whenyou were first assigned to school?
Dad-The-Danifesto (13:09):
Yeah, home was a bit of a struggle as well, and
school was a bit of a struggle.
Everything was just a bit of a struggle.
No one really understood me but me,mom, definitely, me mom went out
her way and learned about my brainand really tried to understand me
and help me in any way possible.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (13:26):
So your story is one more about the
understanding or the realization ofautism as a young person primarily.
Dad-The-Danifesto (13:35):
Yeah, yeah.
Autism and A DHD and NeuroD diversion.
People just, um, I want to giveadvice to parents, teachers, and kids,
you know, on how to help everyone.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (13:47):
Yeah.
It's a word.
It's a real worthy aim thatgiving advice, isn't it?
Problem is, my experience of life is thateven when you want to give advice, the
timing is crucial thing and the format.
The opportunity has to come.
It's very difficult if you feel as thoughyou have advice to give, to find people
(14:12):
receptive that why you started a podcast.
Dad-The-Danifesto (14:15):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've started a podcast, um, and hopefullywith me podcast, I'll have different
names of the podcast, the title.
So if anyone's struggling inthat department, they can direct
themselves to the , title.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (14:28):
You're building up a library of experience on different
subjects by speaking to different people.
Are you finding the peoplereceptive to come on your podcast
and have that conversation?
Do you find them easily?
Some people come
Dad-The-Danifesto (14:44):
to me and there's some people who I would like to reach out ', I
wanna reach out to famous people to seeif they'll try and back can build me
fan base and also the more fan base a abuild, the more people who has similar
needs to me will be able to find me.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (15:03):
Where do people find you right now?
Where can they listen to the Dan Fea?
Dad-The-Danifesto (15:08):
You can listen to me on Spotify, apple
Podcasts, Amazon Music, YouTube.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (15:15):
You've started this podcast recently
and it's a big undertaking.
How's that gone for?
Dad-The-Danifesto (15:21):
It's being steady, , because I've still got me
GCSEs in school, so I'm trying tobalance them that out with the podcast
and try and keep everyone happy.
Um.
Yeah.
Um, I'm just using what I've got with theequipments and just trying to put together
something that people can relate to
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (15:42):
and people can watch and enjoy.
Okay.
I'm looking at your Danifesto,.
You've got Kit Messenger, whichyou got down to 21 minutes.
That's brilliant.
Dad-The-Danifesto (15:52):
Mm-hmm.
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There's a story behind you.
Story is something that a lotof people your age are a little
bit older than you will relate.
It's about how you started in oneenvironment and moved on to a different
(16:37):
environment that was more suitable.
What changed
Dad-The-Danifesto (16:41):
The school?
It was small, smaller classes, , so lessoverwhelming and . Less overwhelming and
people actually talk to you like human.
The teachers they , understood my braina bit better, and they didn't judge.
They explained things thatactually made sense for me.
(17:03):
And yeah, it was just a, a lotbetter with the environment felt.
I felt a lot, , I felt a lot more safe.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (17:11):
This is moving from mainstream school.
SEN or special educational needs.
Yes, that's right.
Provision.
What are the main difference?
You've said you feel saferand you feel understood.
Dad-The-Danifesto (17:23):
I think it was a bit of me growing up, being more responsible.
Um, and yet with it being, um,a smaller school really helped.
Um, and, and, and the teachers as well.
They really understood me.
So, yeah.
The main difference now wasthey don't jump to conclusion.
They don't point thinkfingers and they don't judge.
(17:45):
So instead of going straight toconsequences, they'll short up
what happened and try to dormit down, if that makes sense.
Try and find a solution thatwould never happen again.
Instead of just punishment.
Push.
Punishments.
Punishments.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (18:03):
Did you feel in mainstream education that punishment Yeah.
Is where you all the time?
Um,
Dad-The-Danifesto (18:09):
I made a, a mistake, I would try my best, but, um, go to the head
teacher's office, you know, go outsidethe classroom, you know, because there
was one time in mainstream where it wasprimary school, so they were all sitting.
On, on tables together, and it was justme on the back, on me, all by myself.
(18:30):
So, um, if they wanted me out
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (18:32):
the way, trying to drill down into this
with you, Dan, the picture you'vepainted is that in mainstream school,
people didn't have enough time.
There were too many people for theteachers to consider dealing with
you individually, so you became.
(18:53):
Somebody who was in troubleand slightly excluded.
Have I picked the picture, right?
Yes.
Is that what you're saying?
Exactly,
Dad-The-Danifesto (19:01):
exactly right.
Um, to too many people, to the teachersto, you know, say, well done to
everyone, and they just excluded me.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (19:11):
So it was the pressure that the, the staff were
under that meant that you RegEd out thesituation and now in your new school.
You have the luxury of more staffin as a ratio to pupil, but also you
feel as though there's a, a differencein attitude from the teachers.
(19:32):
Yeah, 100%.
Dad-The-Danifesto (19:34):
Definitely.
In the school that I'm at now, turningpoints , the attitude on the teachers
and ev everything,, right now in myclass, I've got about six, six people
in my class and with two staff members.
So, . Yeah, it's just, , a lot better.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (19:50):
Do you think it would be possible to take some of
the knowledge and attitude that comesfrom the people in this new school
and insert it into the old environmentwith the same amount of pupil This.
Possible.
Dad-The-Danifesto (20:02):
Yeah, definitely.
And that's what I'm tryingto do with my podcast.
, Like if, if teachers came in with theright mindset and knew which people, you
know, to help all that, not just excludingthem, I'm moving, moving them to the side.
I think it, it would just help everyone.
So yeah, that's part of my podcast.
And, um, trying to teach teacherswill, will help them and give
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (20:27):
them advice.
So you think a teacher listening to yourpodcast and listening to the authentic
experience of somebody in your positionmight give them flashbulb moments of
inspiration that they can take back towhat is a less than ideal environment,
Dad-The-Danifesto (20:42):
hopefully Yeah.
Um, just with me talking and giving myexperience, um, it might go, oh, I, I, I
just go straight to discipline, straightto him,, go out the classroom, you know.
And , also what really doesn'thelp in mainstream is there's
hardly any like motion breaks.
(21:03):
So in the school I'm at now, if Ineed like five minutes, I just say,
and they, they will, they'll letme have five minutes to just go out
and, you know, re-regulate myself.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (21:14):
I think you can possibly see where I'm pointing
with, because in our society at themoment, there's a whole backlash about
special education needs provision.
Because the cost as it has beenprovided in the conventional ways
up until now is unsustainable.
The number of people who nowidentify as autistic or A DHD is
(21:37):
far outside the original estimate,and the whole system is struggling.
Local government.
He's struggling under the, the debtand cost that special educational needs
juices here in the UK and possiblyin other countries around the world.
If it was possible for enough knowledgefrom people like yourself, people
(22:03):
who have recently experienced theeducational system to inform , the
teachers who are already in the system,do you think that is a way forward?
Rather than the increase in specialeducational needs provision that
is going to be available to a smallnumber of people, but not the majority.
Dad-The-Danifesto (22:24):
Yeah, it's getting out of hand and quite expensive for
the local governments to have the, allthese different schools that the council
will local governments are paying.
But yeah, it would be nice.
, most kids will take advantage if you,they give them five minutes to go
out and have, um, a motion break ormost stuff in the classroom that will
(22:48):
help with people with special needs.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (22:51):
That's interesting . One of the things that
you find helpful, the ability to take abreak, regulate your own emotions, then
return to the classroom is somethingthat you really value in your SEN school.
But you've just said that if thatwas introduced to Main Street, it
would be difficult because it wouldbe abused by the rest of the pupil.
(23:12):
So maybe you are saying it isn't possible,
Dad-The-Danifesto (23:14):
it would be nice to be possible, but I reckon in this
day and age, with most people takingadvantage of going out, you know, um,
having no less time, I think it's, it'snot looking, not looking good for that.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (23:28):
So we're gonna end up in a bit of an apartheid
situation, aren't we, Daniel?
We're going to end up with moreand more people being removed
from conventional schooling.
And they're not being the places forthem in special educational needs
provision because society says thatthey're unwilling to put the, the
money into them, which is going to meanmore and more people who are autistic
(23:52):
at A DHD falling out of education.
Yeah, yeah.
People
Dad-The-Danifesto (23:55):
won't, won't end up being in school and that could affect
their future if they don't get thequalification they need to get a a job.
So yeah, it's just.
Hard and difficult to definitelyput your finger on it and estimate
what's gonna happen in the near future
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (24:12):
in your new school with a smaller class
size and specially trained teacherswho deal with things head on, as
you say, have the skills to do so.
Training course, the cost of that mustbe the equivalent of sending you to Eton.
Dad-The-Danifesto (24:30):
Yeah, it really is.
Um, it's really expensive.
Some people just just need it, andit would be good if these SEN schools
got even bigger and had the samesize, if not bigger as a mainstream
with all these different classes.
But again, WW with thefunds just seems impossible.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (24:51):
Most people like yourself who have a passion podcast to
address the issues that affect themselves.
Usually reaching out to people in similarsituations, do you see your listenership
being the people of your age or alsothe professionals who working with
(25:13):
people looking for hints and tips to,to just bring tiny bit more enlightened
practice into their current situation?
Because whilst we've describeda very difficult situation.
There have to be smallthings that make big.
Yeah.
Dad-The-Danifesto (25:31):
Yeah.
Um, I would love to have allkinds of ages, , and professionals
come and listen to my podcast.
Hopefully I can give them some tipsand some idea of what, what they
can do to try and help, , a kidin, in their class or even to help
themselves , in a classroom environment.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (25:52):
So perhaps you imagine a teacher who has.
A difficulty in their classroomlistening to a podcast that where
you address the problem and findingsome reassurance or some solace
Dad-The-Danifesto (26:05):
I'm not like a magic, a magic genie.
I can't just magic,, solution to everything.
But, , if I've experienced it, I'lljust share my experience and what
could have been better in that time , Ican't promise that I'll fix everything,
every problem because I just can't.
So, um, if someone has a problem,they can message me or, um,
(26:25):
contact me in the podcast.
And then if I've been throughthat, I can, I can say, oh
yeah, I've been through that.
It's quite difficult.
Or if I can't, if I haven't beenthrough that, and I can try and
find someone who else who has, ortry and redirect them to somewhere
that they can get some advice from.
Jules-AutisticRadio.com (26:47):
Well, I'm looking forward to hearing.
More from your podcast.
I know that when I sent thelink round to my colleagues,
it has been listened to by us.
Let's put a call out right now.
Say, if you are a young person aroundabout Dan's age, a little bit older,
a little bit younger, and you have anexperience of the school system, either
(27:09):
SEN provision or regular provision,contact Dan and have a word with him.
Add your voices to Dan's project.
What I think Dan will be doing overthe next little while is recording
the genuine, authentic thoughts ofpeople who are in the system right now.
And by listening, we can oftenfind imaginative solutions that
(27:35):
don't cost the world that are justslight changes in accommodation.
So the kids who are autistic and ADHD in the mainstream and also in SEN.
Get their best opportunity from life.
Thank you, Dan.
Thank you for coming and speakingto us about your project.
No, so thank you.
Pleasure for having me.
Dad-The-Danifesto (27:56):
Yeah, thank you very much.
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