April 3, 2025 • 52 mins
Is living your truth really the key to freedom? In this episode of Between Sermons, Pastor Brent McQuay, Pastor Sol McQuay, and Ti’heasha Beasley kick off the new series, Almost True, by unpacking one of culture’s most popular phrases: “Live Your Truth.” They break down why this mindset sounds good but can actually lead us away from the life God has for us. Through real talk, biblical truth, and honest conversation, they show how real freedom is found—not in following your truth—but in following The Truth.
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Ti’heasha Beasley (00:00):
Foreign.
Pastor Brent McQuay (00:10):
Welcome back to another episode of Between
Sermons. I'm Brent, the host, and I'm
the lead pastor of Disciples Church. And
what we're doing today is continuing our
conversation from Sunday. A lot of times,
that sermon is a little bit of
a monologue, just a person standing on
a stage talking at some people. And
so we love to be able to
take that conversation and really turn it
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into a dialogue where we can have
some feedback, go back and forth, dig
a little bit deeper into some things.
And so that's what Between Sermons is
all about. And if you want to
check out the full message that this
podcast is based off of, you can
check that out in the show notes
below. But before we dive in, I'm
joined, as always, by the one and
only Tyisha. How you doing?
Ti’heasha Beasley (00:52):
Hey. Yay. Hey, girl. I'm so happy
to be here. My sister.
Pastor Brent McQuay (00:55):
I can tell there was absolutely no.
Ti’heasha Beasley (00:57):
Whoop, whoop, no whoop, whoops. No. Okay.
I'm excited.
Pastor Brent McQuay (01:01):
Are you, though?
Ti’heasha Beasley (01:02):
Why would I not be excited?
Pastor Brent McQuay (01:04):
Because I didn't get a whoop, whoop,
whoop, whoop.
Pastor Sol McQuay (01:07):
I got a whoop, whoop. So she's
excited for me.
Ti’heasha Beasley (01:10):
That's what it is.
Pastor Brent McQuay (01:10):
That's what it is.
Ti’heasha Beasley (01:11):
I'm so excited because I'm joined. We
are joined by my sister, your wife.
My.
Pastor Sol McQuay (01:16):
You see, I said that.
Ti’heasha Beasley (01:17):
My sister, your wife. Pastor Soul McQuai,
thank you for joining us today. How
are you feeling?
Pastor Sol McQuay (01:22):
I am tired. Like, I still feel
like I am recuperating from the message
yesterday, but I am good. I'm happy.
I'm glad to be here.
Ti’heasha Beasley (01:30):
I am so excited you're here because
let me tell you what happened last
week. When I'm on the show with
two guys, they're not gonna tell me
that something's out of place. Literally had
a hair sticking up the whole show.
And I text you right away and
I'm like, sister, if you were on
the show, you would have told me.
Pastor Sol McQuay (01:46):
Absolutely. These boys, they don't understand these
things.
Ti’heasha Beasley (01:50):
I know. So it's good. I'm always
saw.
Pastor Brent McQuay (01:52):
No hair's out of place. I don't
know. I don't know what to tell
you.
Ti’heasha Beasley (01:55):
I know. I knew you wouldn't have
noticed. It's okay. But that's why I
was happy that my sister's on the
show with me. I always. We're gonna
have a really good conversation.
Pastor Sol McQuay (02:02):
So, yeah, I am. I am excited.
I think that this is gonna be
a good episode.
Ti’heasha Beasley (02:05):
It is. So yesterday, before we dive
into, like, all of the. How to
make this applicable to our lives. You
taught an amazing message on. In our
new sermon series, Almost True.
Pastor Brent McQuay (02:18):
Yep.
Ti’heasha Beasley (02:19):
And, well, I guess before we go
into the message, what is almost true
about Pastor Brent?
Pastor Brent McQuay (02:25):
Yeah, so we're doing a series for
four weeks called Almost True. And the
idea is there are some things that
we say as a culture as that
are almost true, which basically makes them
lies. Because if it's almost true, that
means it's not true, but there's like
a grain of truth to them. There's
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something in them that we're like, yeah,
I can, I can connect with that,
or I believe in that. And so
we say things without sometimes really analyzing
what we're saying. And there's some phrases
that have become really popular in culture
that I would deem as they're not
fully true. They're. They're lies, but they're
pretty lies. And so because they're pretty
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lies, we like them, and so we
like to say them. And so we're
just trying to find, okay, what is
the phrase that is almost true? How
does it compare to the truth of
scripture? And how do we as Christians
navigate that kind of complexity and the
mess that comes from some of those
phrases?
Pastor Sol McQuay (03:23):
Yeah, I think that right now, like,
just what is prevalent in our culture
is that self improvement type of mentality.
Right. Like everything that you need is
already inside of you. Like, you just
have to, you just have to figure
it out. You have to work on
yourself. And I think that a lot
of those phrases come out of that
of, of accept yourself and just, just
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be uniquely you. And all of those
things that in essence could be true.
Right. We have to know who we
are, but it is not to embrace
our sinful nature, but it is so
that you can recognize in what areas
God wants to start doing something in
you. You know, like when you know
that you struggle in one area of
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your life, that means that you have
to pay a little more attention to
that and allow the Holy Spirit to
show you how to get better. And
I think that that is the part
that is lacking in culture, that it
is just. Just, just know yourself and
that's it. Yeah, it is just be
aware of all of the things that
you want and all of the things
that are inside of you. And, and
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I think that that is when the
whole Almost True comes in. Because, yeah,
I think that it is important and
I think that we all should be
able to reflect on. On the things
that we are doing and we're saying
and, and, yeah, live a little bit
more confidently yeah, sure. But. But it
is not confident in me. It is
confident in the fact that God is
all powerful and that he is doing
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something in me. And then I don't
have to go in my own strength,
but in his. So I think that
it is where you're putting your focus
on, and that is what makes these
statements almost true.
Pastor Brent McQuay (05:01):
Yeah. So there's four phrases we're gonna
look at during the series. So next
week we're looking at I am enough.
Or if you're a big Barbie movie
fans, I'm knuff.
Pastor Sol McQuay (05:11):
I'm knuff.
Pastor Brent McQuay (05:12):
I should pull out. I got the
T shirt. You should give it to
your dad. So I am enough. Then
the week after that, we're doing I
deserve to be happy. And then the
final message is gonna be, good people
go to heaven. Whoa. And so yesterday,
though, was live your truth.
Pastor Sol McQuay (05:32):
Live your truth. So we're gonna make
everybody equally upset this month.
Pastor Brent McQuay (05:36):
I was gonna say that nobody's gonna
be happy.
Ti’heasha Beasley (05:39):
Nobody.
Pastor Brent McQuay (05:40):
Nobody.
Ti’heasha Beasley (05:41):
But I mean, it's good that we
did six weeks in Ephesians, so now
we could. We supposed to be mature
believers.
Pastor Sol McQuay (05:47):
Right.
Ti’heasha Beasley (05:47):
So we can take this.
Pastor Brent McQuay (05:49):
We're still maturing.
Ti’heasha Beasley (05:50):
We're still maturing.
Pastor Brent McQuay (05:51):
That's the challenge. We're working on it.
So now we're going to, you know,
step on toes.
Ti’heasha Beasley (05:55):
Right.
Pastor Brent McQuay (05:55):
Get offensive, and it'll be great.
Ti’heasha Beasley (05:57):
I wonder if it's going to be
a week where I'm like, no, like,
I wonder if it's going to be
a week. That hit me. I'll let
you guys know. I'll keep you posted.
Pastor Brent McQuay (06:03):
I know there's probably a lot of
people listening right now that are going
to be really upset with I deserve
to be happy. Because they're like, but
I do deserve to be happy.
Pastor Sol McQuay (06:11):
It's like, okay, well, we'll see.
Ti’heasha Beasley (06:13):
We'll see about that. Shall see.
Pastor Brent McQuay (06:14):
Let's see what the Bible has to
say about you deserving to be happy.
Ti’heasha Beasley (06:17):
Right. So I know a little bit
before we even got started with this
conversation, you were saying how this was
a more difficult message to teach. Why?
Why do you feel?
Pastor Sol McQuay (06:27):
Because I was talking about living your
truth. And honestly, I think that that
is one of those very polarizing subjects.
Ti’heasha Beasley (06:34):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (06:34):
If you agree with what I'm saying,
then you're like, yes, absolutely. That. You're
right. Let's. Let's preach that. But if
you are not agreeing with me, you
are probably saying, canceled, we're done. I
don't want to hear anything else that
you have to say.
Pastor Brent McQuay (06:52):
There's not a lot of in the
middle on this one. It's very much
the extremes.
Pastor Sol McQuay (06:57):
Yes. So. So I was really nervous.
I was wanting to make sure that
my heart behind it really came through.
Because when. When you don't receive the
heart, then you just see it as
judgment.
Ti’heasha Beasley (07:10):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (07:10):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (07:11):
And. And that is the thing that
I didn't want to come across. You
know, like, I didn't want to come
across as yet another Christian that is
being judgy.
Ti’heasha Beasley (07:20):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (07:20):
Yet another Christian that is telling me
that everything I do is wrong.
Ti’heasha Beasley (07:24):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (07:24):
Because that is what this culture is
trying to move away from. Right. Like
all of these people that just say
you're wrong and just. They are just
homophobic and they are just bigots and
they're just hateful and they're just like
all of these things.
Ti’heasha Beasley (07:39):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (07:40):
And the truth in my heart for
it, it's none of that. It is
just being able to show what the
scripture says about it, because it is.
I think that that is what is
going to give you freedom, and that
is what we want to see. We
want to see people live free in
the. In the freedom that Jesus can
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give and. And being living your truth
and. And going after your own desires
is not going to give you freedom.
And that is what my heart was.
And I was just really nervous that
it will not come across as that
and the people will not hear anything
else that I had to say. So
it was. It was difficult because I
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am experiencing that with some people in
my family, you know, that they are
doing what they want to do. And
the moment that you try to speak
truth is like, well, we will not
going to talk to you anymore. And
so it is hard. So. So I
know for experience what trying to speak
truth can feel like to somebody that
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doesn't want to hear it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (08:44):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (08:45):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (08:45):
So I didn't want that to be
portrayed in our services. So I prayed
so much and I was just asking
God, you speak for me, because if
I say something dumb, I'm just gonna
make people upset and they're not gonna
hear the truth that really is in
the word.
Ti’heasha Beasley (09:06):
I mean, I have so many thoughts
from that. Okay, so let me. Let
me start with this thought. Is there
is a such thing as people feeling
your heart? So I'm so glad you.
You led with that. Like, I just
want people to see the heart because
I think I shared this with you,
Pastor Brent, or maybe you, Pastor. So
where if you have two people telling
you the same thing, but their heart
towards you is different, like, if I
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know you really want to see me
grow? It's easier to swallow compared to
someone where it's like, you don't even
care about me. So you just want
to take this moment to, you know,
you want your five minutes, right? You
want your five minutes to tell me
what I need to get together. So
I think your heart was definitely in
the right place. Place. So be encouraged.
I feel like we felt that in
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your message. I felt it as your
sister. I know.
Pastor Sol McQuay (09:51):
Like, I honestly, like, I was. I
was nervous. I was. I have a.
A group of people that pray for
us and that was my thing for
this week. I'm like, just pray for
this message because I don't know, like,
I don't know. Like, maybe it's too
much information, but I had never. I
am not very much a. A sweater.
Like, I don't sweat that much, but.
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But I left yesterday and I was
like, woo, I need to take my
blazer off. Like, my shirt felt wet.
I was like, my goodness, what is
going on? Like, it was one.
Ti’heasha Beasley (10:20):
She's sharing her truth.
Pastor Sol McQuay (10:22):
It was one of those that you
can tell that it was not the
same weight that I was carrying that
I do with most messages. It was
different, heavier, 100%.
Pastor Brent McQuay (10:37):
Every single time I checked in on
Seoul over the last couple of weeks.
Hey, how's the message coming? How you
doing? She's just, we're going to get
canceled. We're going to get canceled. We're
going to get canceled. And I'm like,
we're not getting canceled. And then on
Sunday, I talked about the offering thing
and she's like, oh, you're going to
get us canceled.
Ti’heasha Beasley (10:54):
I thought that it was going to
be me. It's really.
Pastor Sol McQuay (10:57):
You canceled?
Ti’heasha Beasley (11:00):
It was a spirit of freedom. Because
he definitely got on stage and referenced
something that's going on in culture right
now, which I thought was very appropriate,
by the way. What gave you the
strength to even, like, say, I'm gonna
take this moment?
Pastor Brent McQuay (11:13):
And that's a funny question because I
don't need strength to just be honest.
That's. I don't know if that's a
character flaw or a character strength, but.
Yeah, no, I, I don't. I. Maybe
I don't think about consequences enough.
Ti’heasha Beasley (11:29):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (11:30):
To things. I'm just like, well, that
was not right.
Pastor Sol McQuay (11:32):
I think you're just passionate about that.
About. About the truth.
Ti’heasha Beasley (11:36):
That was a moment where you were.
Yeah, yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (11:39):
Because it was like, okay, this man
said something that was against scripture and
instruction. And I saw a lot of
people trying to justify a Lot of
Christians trying to justify what he did,
and a lot of non Christians saying,
that's why I don't go to church.
I'm like, yeah, this is a problem.
We need to go on it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (11:55):
For those who do not know what
he's talking about, it's a popular thing
that's going around right now with locking
doors. That's all I'm going to say.
Because I don't know how much you
say without Google it, without us being.
Pastor Sol McQuay (12:06):
Canceled, just Google it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (12:07):
But I like that if you know.
Pastor Sol McQuay (12:09):
You know, if you know, you know,
know.
Ti’heasha Beasley (12:11):
I like that as a church, we
address all things in truth. And Pastor
Brent is definitely assigned to.
Pastor Brent McQuay (12:17):
And maybe the awkward thing about it
is, like, our doors are closed during
offering, but it's because they're closed throughout
the entire service. Just because it's a
very bright lobby and when the doors
open, it's just distracting.
Pastor Sol McQuay (12:26):
And the people in the lobby are
loud. They look like. Like to talk
and laugh and stuff, distracted.
Pastor Brent McQuay (12:31):
But it's. It's never a locked door
and it's never a security guard or
usher, like, stopping people from coming and
going. So, yeah, it's. It's just. It's
just funny.
Ti’heasha Beasley (12:42):
Yeah, it was. It was a moment
to. To shed truth on.
Pastor Sol McQuay (12:45):
Yeah.
Ti’heasha Beasley (12:45):
So when we think about culture, you
said a word that rings true for
me. Like, I love this word. Freedom.
Pastor Sol McQuay (12:53):
Yeah.
Ti’heasha Beasley (12:54):
Where is the line between living your
truth, walking in freedom? Like, those two
can be kind of tricky, honestly.
Pastor Sol McQuay (13:03):
And that. And that is the. The
tricky part.
Ti’heasha Beasley (13:07):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (13:07):
About this whole series is that there's
so much truth kind of weaved in.
Into the. Into the lie, that it
is important for all of us to
be able to disseminate and. And understand
what part is true and what part
is not. Because I think that a
lot of people think that freedom is
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doing whatever you want. Right. Like. Like
being like you. You. You feel like.
And we are blessed to live in
a country that allows freedom. You know,
that means that you can do whatever
you want to do. You can be
whoever you want to be. You can
work in wherever you want to work
on. You can believe whatever you want
to believe and worship. So we think
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that that is freedom. But in the
context of a spiritual freedom, doing wherever
it is that you please to do
at all times is not free freedom.
Because the Bible talks about how we
are slaves to sin. Right. So that
is spiritually, when you are living in
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sin, you are slaved to sin. So
that is not freedom. It may be
free for you to just be able
to say, I do whatever I want.
Nobody can tell me that I'm right
or that I'm wrong and all of
that, but spiritually speaking, you are not
being free. So the only freedom that
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we have is in Jesus. And that
is a freedom that goes beyond just
doing whatever you want. It is a
freedom that you can feel like that's
that freedom that brings peace, that brings
joy, that brings assurance. Because I think
that a lot of people that are
going around just doing whatever they want,
and they just feel like they can
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just leave their truth, and. And there's
no consequences in reality, are trying to
hide from something and are trying to
run from something. They are trying to
prove something. And that is not something
that we need to do when we
come to Jesus. So it is. It
is a. It is a different type
of freedom.
Pastor Brent McQuay (15:13):
Yeah, I. I see almost a parallel
in society today with a conversation that
Jesus had with the Pharisees. He talks
about whom the sun sets. Free is
free indeed. And he talks about freedom.
And their response is, but we're sons
of Abraham. We've never not been free.
Which is like the most idiotic statement,
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I think, in the entire Bible, because
it's literally a group of people that,
like, the start of the Jewish people.
Pastor Sol McQuay (15:41):
Not from Egypt or Babylon, the start.
Pastor Brent McQuay (15:43):
Of the Jewish people is the exodus
from Egypt, where they were in bondage
as slaves. The judgment of God that
came across them from the Syrians, from
the Babylonians. Even in the very moment
that these guys are saying, we've never
been slaves, they are technically slaves of
Rome. Like, in the very moment they're
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talking to him, they are living in
their city, but it's occupied by Rome,
and they have to do whatever Rome
says to do. That's bondage. And they
look at Jesus with a straight face
and say, we're not slaves to anything.
And it's like your whole history is
just slavery, slavery, slavery, slavery, slavery, slavery.
And so I think that society today
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parallels that, where there's a group of
people that are in bondage to sin.
They are currently slaves. Looking around going,
look how free I am. And it's
like, yeah, you're literally in chains to
something.
Ti’heasha Beasley (16:39):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (16:39):
And. And so, yeah, I think that
there's a. There is a cry for
freedom in this generation, but they're going
about it in the wrong way.
Ti’heasha Beasley (16:48):
Do you think it's because just looking
at, like, history in church, it's been
a lot of work base. Like, you
have to dress like this, or you
have to look like this, or you
have to talk like this to be
seen as a Christian. So now you
have this whole new generation who's like,
we're gonna redefine what this looks like.
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Because then you have, like, the hyper
grace movement that takes place where it's
like, well, God is gonna cover it.
If I'm doing it wrong, he's gonna
cover it with his grace. So how
do we not have this mentality of
workspace where it's like, let me make
sure I'm living my truth according to
the scripture and, like, not going too
far when it comes to, like, grace?
The hyper grace movement.
Pastor Brent McQuay (17:30):
Yeah, I think it's always finding balance,
and I think that this isn't a
new problem. This is. If you trace
this back, you could probably trace it
back 2000 years and see the same
thing happening. It's just that pendulum swing
that takes place where it's. If you
get super focused on this area, the
next generation is like, well, that was
too much. Let's find something different. And
they'll swing way too far. And hopefully
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in those swings, you get a majority
of people that find the middle and
stick in the middle. And so I
think that that's. The Bible holds so
many different things in tension. And so
there is like, we are whom the
sun sets free is free indeed. But
then Paul also says that we're slaves
to Christ, right? So, like, there's a
freedom, but there's also a submission, right?
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And so there's these things that are
held in balance, I think. And so
when we let go of one, we
become imbalanced in the other. And so
sometimes when it's all about grace, but
now, you know, faith without works is
dead, right? And so, like, if you're
not doing some of these things that
you're supposed to be doing, like, where
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is your actual faith? You know, Paul
says, you know, should. Should we keep
on sinning so that grace can abound
all the morning? Of course not. That's
such a dumb question. Is the Brent
paraphrase of Paul's there?
Ti’heasha Beasley (18:49):
We need a Brent Bible, and it's
not him.
Pastor Brent McQuay (18:52):
No, we do not. That is.
Ti’heasha Beasley (18:55):
Oh, my gosh, can we have, what,
a Brent commentary? I just think it's
dumb.
Pastor Brent McQuay (19:05):
I do make some very outlandish statements
sometimes, but, yeah, so I think that
it's always about, okay, figuring out what
are the things that the Bible holds
in intention and holds in balance and
making sure that we hold on to
both. And it is a danger when
it becomes workspace, and it is a
danger when it becomes purely grace. And
there's no lifestyle. Right. Because so much
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of the Bible is actually describing for
us how to walk. I mean, we
just got done with Ephesians. Walk in
a manner worthy of the calling. Right.
And so there is works and there
is grace. How do those things balance?
What, what's saving you, but also what
do you do after you're saved? And
so we're saved by grace, but because
of our salvation, now we're going to
behave a different way.
Ti’heasha Beasley (19:49):
Yeah, I just, you know, I like
this all makes sense. But I know
so many, especially gen zers who struggle
with this works based like mentality. And
it's, it's, it is to me, it
keeps them bound like there's no freedom
because it's like, oh, I did this
today. Oh, oh my gosh, I'm beating
myself up because I did. And I'm
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like, oh my gosh, like we need
to interject grace here. But when you
hear like the sermon, like, you know,
you can't live your truth. It can
be a maybe that's why you got
the stairs yesterday, because it was just
like, well, what am I supposed to
do?
Pastor Brent McQuay (20:27):
So how do you process this?
Ti’heasha Beasley (20:29):
Right, how do I process this? So
what are some practical things that you
would give from this sermon that we
could take in our everyday lives to
actually live this principle out?
Pastor Sol McQuay (20:37):
I think that what we need to
do is follow Jesus. You know, you
read the Bible and you, and you
do your best at living it out.
None of us are perfect. All of
us are going to fail at some
point. None of us are going to
have everything to 100 all the time.
But the question is not what can
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I do and still feel free and
how much do I have to change
without me feeling like I'm just not
having fun anymore. I think that whatever.
It's a matter of the heart. It's
a matter of the heart. If your
heart truly is to please God, you're
gonna do everything that you can to
behave in a matter worthy of the
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calling. Right. Like you are gonna try
to please God. You are gonna try
to live by what scripture says. And
in the fall short then, then you
realize that it's grace and that you
can come to him and that you
can repent and then you can try
again tomorrow. Right? So I think that
that is the difference. I think that
some people just don't want to try
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again. And that's when you go back
into sin and you just accept everything
and just don't tell me what to
do. And that's where a lot of
people even Christians are living in this
live your truth type of moment where
they say, well, Jesus loves you. He
already paid for all of your sins,
so you just. You just have to
repent once and live however you want
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to live. And that is not the
gospel. We are supposed to be transformed.
We are supposed to renew our minds.
We are supposed to change the way
that we live. We are supposed to
deny ourselves. And none of that is
easy. But when you are living to.
To please God, to. To really become
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more and more like him, in the
moments that. That. That doesn't happen, in
the moments when you lose your temper,
in the moments that you say yes
to temptation, even though you have been
saying no for. For months, and then,
like, I fell down again, then you
know that God is there to pick
you up, to dust you off and
to say, okay, let's. Let's go back
at it, you know, so it is
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not being content and not just. Just
giving in to what you want to
do. So I think that is the
difference, that some people just want to
be comfortable. They want to just be
comfortable doing what they want to do,
but knowing that Jesus loves them. And
that is the difference. I know that
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Jesus loves me. And because he loves
me, I'm gonna live my life the
best that I can. And I know
that I'm gonna fall short, and I
know that I'm not gonna do the
right thing all the time, but when
I do the wrong thing, I. I
know that I can come to him
and he will forgive me and he
will pick me up and there's another
chance, right? But it is different than
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just say, well, this is where I
live, but Jesus still loves me. It's
all good. It's different. So it's a
matter of heart.
Pastor Brent McQuay (23:38):
Yeah. And it's wild because we make
excuses for doing that to Jesus that
we would never make with other people.
I know that my wife loves me,
so therefore, I can treat her like
crap and I can say whatever I
want to say and do whatever I
want to do because she loves me,
and it's fine. It's like, no, you
idiot. You want to have a healthy
relationship, a healthy marriage. There are some
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things that just because she loves me
doesn't mean that I get to go
sleep around. Just because she loves me
doesn't mean that I get to ignore
her. So there are things that we
do out of a place of love
and in response to love that I
think that the argument that, well, Jesus
loves me, so it makes it okay.
It's like, okay, my wife loves me.
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That doesn't make adultery. Okay.
Pastor Sol McQuay (24:23):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (24:24):
Is that fair statement, soul? Like, it
better be. Are there some boundaries?
Ti’heasha Beasley (24:28):
It better be.
Pastor Sol McQuay (24:29):
It better be.
Ti’heasha Beasley (24:33):
So what. What about personality traits? Right.
Because we've heard this. I mean, Christians
might say, well, I'm not necessarily falling
into the sin factor with this, but
what about, like, this is just who
I am? Is that an area that
we need to surrender to God?
Pastor Sol McQuay (24:47):
Yes. Any. Anything that it is putting
you away from Jesus, you have to
surrender.
Ti’heasha Beasley (24:53):
Okay.
Pastor Sol McQuay (24:54):
And if your personality is making it
that you are not living in a
way that the Bible describes, that we
need to live, that has to be
surrendered.
Ti’heasha Beasley (25:03):
Yeah. No, because I'm just thinking of
those people who just, like, you know,
they just be in their own world
and, you know, they don't necessarily sin,
but they respond how they want to.
They. They do what they want to
do, and it's kind of like, well,
this is who I am and I'm
not changing.
Pastor Brent McQuay (25:18):
Yeah. I call that sin.
Ti’heasha Beasley (25:19):
I'll speak my. What did you say?
Pastor Brent McQuay (25:21):
I'd call that sin? You said they
don't sin, but, like, I would call
that sin.
Ti’heasha Beasley (25:24):
I was trying to be nice.
Pastor Brent McQuay (25:26):
So, like. Like, I knew a guy
years ago, youth ministry days, and he's
like, well, I cuss a lot, and
I want to be authentic around the
kids, so I'm not going to hide
the fact that I cuss a lot.
And I'm like, shouldn't you maybe stop
cussing a lot? Like, wouldn't that be
the better option than just being. Cause,
like, we caught him cussing in front
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of kids, and we're like, hey, man,
you can't do that. He's like, well,
is this how I talk at work?
This is how I talk in private,
so it's fine. And I'm like, no,
you need to fix it in private.
You need to fix it at work.
You definitely need to fix it with
these students. And so I think there's
a lot of times when people will
use this is just who I am
as an excuse to not be transformed.
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Like, in Christ, we are new creations.
Right. And so just because that's your
personality. My personality, man, I'm an extreme
introvert. Social anxiety. Like, I. I feel
like I say that a lot, and
people still don't quite get it.
Pastor Sol McQuay (26:23):
Like, they don't believe this point.
Ti’heasha Beasley (26:26):
I don't know if I believe.
Pastor Brent McQuay (26:26):
Like, I think only Soul really understands,
like, the anxiety, like, making a phone
call. I, like, get the sweats, like,
asking for ketchup. Like, it's really the
really funny thing. Is like, we're at,
like, fast food place, and Bennett is
like, hey, can you go ask for
something? Like, I'm not going up there.
You go up there. And he's like,
I'm not going up there. So it's
like, literally, I'm a child.
Pastor Sol McQuay (26:47):
And so he has eaten the wrong
food because they brought him, like, something
that he never ordered. And instead of
telling the waiter, this is not what
I got, he just eats it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (26:58):
That's crazy.
Pastor Sol McQuay (26:58):
Oh, I did that.
Pastor Brent McQuay (26:59):
I did that last week. I ordered.
I ordered a burger, and I. I
ordered it with mayo, ketchup, and lettuce,
and they literally gave me a burger
with everything except mayo, ketchup, and lettuce.
So it was literally the things that
I didn't want on a burger, and
none of the things I wanted on
the burger. And I was like, all
right.
Ti’heasha Beasley (27:16):
That is.
Pastor Sol McQuay (27:17):
And that mom was like, just telling
me. He was like, no, I'm just
gonna eat it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (27:20):
I'm like, not okay. The protection. We
all are in agreement. Like, that is
not okay.
Pastor Brent McQuay (27:25):
So that's my personality. So me standing
on a stage and preaching a sermon
is the dumbest thing ever.
Ti’heasha Beasley (27:31):
Wow.
Pastor Brent McQuay (27:31):
If it's based on my personality, me
being in the lobby talking with people
before and after service, like, that'd be
the horrific thing. Most horrific part of
my day. But I do it with
a happy heart, because it's not my
personality. It's about what Christ has called
me to do. And so there are.
There are aspects of my personality that
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I have to change, and I can't
do that on my own. I need
God to help me in that. I
need people helping me. Like, I need
people around me going, hey, you know,
you didn't really spend a lot of
time in the lobby today. Might want
to do better next time. It's like,
oh, man, you're right. I need to.
I need to focus more. Right? So,
like, I'm. I'm constantly trying to improve
in areas. And so when I meet
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somebody that's like, you know, this is
a flaw in my personality, but I'm
okay with that because it's who I
am, and I'm just being authentic to
myself. To me. That's maybe the. Can
I say that? That's dumb? Like, that's
just.
Ti’heasha Beasley (28:23):
That's.
Pastor Sol McQuay (28:24):
That's true.
Pastor Brent McQuay (28:25):
And the thing is, that's my truth.
Pastor Sol McQuay (28:28):
Like, the thing is, like, a lot
of people talk about, I was born
this way, right?
Ti’heasha Beasley (28:31):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (28:32):
And this is who I have always
been. And you might be 100% right.
Like, this is exactly how you were
born, because we all were born with
sin. But the Bible says you are
forgiven, Go and sin no more. So,
like, there still has to be this
transformation inside of you. Like it is
just because you were born with this,
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with this personality trait or with this
preferences or with this way of doing
things because you were raised in a
house that, that, that was the, the
example that they gave you. None of
those things can be an excuse for
you to not be transformed. If you
really want to follow Jesus, if you
really want to be a disciple of
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Jesus, the Bible says you have to
take up your cross daily. You have
to deny yourself, and you have to
follow him. That means that like every
single day. You have to say no
to the things that, that you were
born with. You have to say no
to the personality that makes you more
comfortable. You have to say no to
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what you were raised doing or seeing.
And you have to say yes to
what Jesus says. So that is not
an excuse for you to be like,
this is who I am. Right. Because
then we all will be in a
whole lot of mess. So if I
was just led to be who I
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was born being, you know, and desiring,
that will not be a true walk
with Jesus, because then I want to
do what I want to do. So,
so it is, it is, it is
sacrifice. It is understanding that you have
to die to yourself, that you have
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to follow Jesus in a way that,
that you're leaving everything, everything else behind.
So that is, I think that is
what is very difficult for a lot
of people is to understand that I
have to say no to me. I
have to, to. To put everything else
on the line. I have to go
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against the things that maybe my nature
want to do. But I have to
say no. I have to be disciplined
and submit it. And it's an everyday
battle.
Ti’heasha Beasley (30:50):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (30:51):
So I think that just, just to
say this is who I, who I
have always been, is, is. Is not
an excuse. It is not something that
should be acceptable of a disciple. We
all have to change.
Pastor Brent McQuay (31:08):
Yeah.
Ti’heasha Beasley (31:09):
How do you, how would a person
recognize, like, moving towards the application part.
How would a person recognize that? Okay,
I've been saying this, this is my
truth, but maybe this needs to change.
Like how? I mean, because I'm just
thinking about myself. Like, you know, there's
some things I walk in truth with.
Like, I, I feel like I'm an
emotional person. And I've accepted, I've accepted
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that, like, I'm emotional, But how would
I recognize that as something that needs
to be submitted To God. Like, how
do you start to recognize those areas
that you like, this is just who
I am and that maybe it should
change.
Pastor Sol McQuay (31:44):
So I think that the closer that
you are walking with God, the more
that you are reading the Word, the
more that you are being honest, you
know, to the. To the motivations of
your heart, the more you will be
able to know what things you need
to surrender. You know, like if. If
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you are quick to be angry and
the Bible says being but do not
sin, right. Then you realize, okay, I
cannot just outburst on everybody. I should
probably reel it in. You know, I
should probably change. But if you don't
read the Bible, you don't know.
Ti’heasha Beasley (32:22):
Okay, so getting in your word.
Pastor Sol McQuay (32:24):
Yeah. Like, you cannot know what Jesus
wants from us and what our walk
is supposed to be. Like, if you
don't read the word of God.
Ti’heasha Beasley (32:33):
That's good. That's good. Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (32:35):
I always go back to the same
three things for a lot of conversations,
especially like when it comes around sin
and knowing what's good and what's not
good. And it's. It's scripture, Spirit, saints,
the. The three S's. So what does
the Bible say about this thing? What
does the Holy Spirit bring? When. When
does he bring conviction in something? And
then saints is just when you're around
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other Christians and you behave a certain
way and they're like, you know, maybe
you shouldn't do that. You know. Yeah,
Tyisha, you're a very emotional person, but
emotional outbursts probably not appropriate in certain
settings. And so, like, there's benefits to
being an emotional person. There's also detriments
to being an emotional person. So it's
finding where's the balance of this and
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how do I make those strengths even
better and how do I make those
weaknesses not so problematic? And so, yeah,
Scripture, spirit saints. And so if there's
something in your life that you're like,
well, this is my truth. But it
goes against scripture. If it goes against
what the Holy Spirit's instructing you in,
if it goes against the body of
Christ, the saints, like, yeah, you've probably
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cut that out.
Pastor Sol McQuay (33:41):
And I do think that everything begins
like, with the Bible, because if not,
that's how you end up with all
of these philosophies that are accepted because
you don't know what the Word says.
So it sounds so good. It sounds
like that's what I should do. So
you do it, you know, and it
may not be in a malice. It
might not be in a desire of
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doing the wrong thing, but because you
don't know what the word says. You
can believe anything that people are saying.
You know, like I said, when I
was preparing for this message, I saw
a quote that said, if you're going
to believe everything that you read, start
with the Bible. So I think that
that is really important, you know, for
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us to really start with the Bible.
What does the Bible say? What does
the Bible tell us about these different
issues in, in our lives? But the
problem is that some people, a lot
of people think that the Bible is
not relevant, that the Bible is so
outdated. Outdated. Or that the Bible is
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just a history book. Right? Like, it's
just telling us what happened. But the
truth is that the Bible is alive
and the Bible is going to reveal
to you and point out in you
the things that you need to change.
So we cannot treat the Bible as
the boring, huge book that they read
at church. And like, it's outdated. It
has nothing to do with us today.
And that is not even what the
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Bible meant when they were reading it.
Like, all of this stuff that, that,
that is going out out there, that
is just saying this is irrelevant to
you. And we cannot read the Bible
that way. The Bible is alive and
it is the truth and it is
spirit inspired and it can transform your
life if you take it seriously.
Pastor Brent McQuay (35:28):
Yeah, I forgot who, who said it
first, but that this old phrase of
the Bible's the only book that when
you're reading it, it's reading you. And
like, there is something when we talk
about the Bible being alive, that's what
we mean. Like, I love watching my
dad. My dad is what, 71, 72
years old now, has read through the
Bible every year since he was like
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16, 17. And by his admission, he's
like, there was like, I think there
was one year where he didn't. And
it was the one year he didn't
use a Bible reading plan. He just
tried to read whatever he wanted to.
He's like, that was the only year
I didn't finish the Bible. So this
is a man who, conservatively, he's read
through the entire Bible 50 times. Wow.
He still will text me sometimes. And
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he's like, man, I was reading in
my Bible today and this popped out
at me. Like, I've never seen.
Pastor Sol McQuay (36:15):
He always says, my Bible spoke to
me today.
Pastor Brent McQuay (36:18):
And it's like, you've read a book
50 times and you still find something
you never noticed before. Or God said
something through it that you never heard
before. Like, that's the beauty of Scripture.
Like, it is alive and it is
Active and it is shaping who we're
supposed to be. And so back, back
to this, this phrase of live your
truth. One of the things that I
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love that you did is that you
grounded things in Scripture. Because a parallel
phrase to live your truth is follow
your heart. And actually, when we're coming
up with the phrases that we're going
to use, follow your heart was one
of the options. And live your truth,
follow your heart. It was kind of
the same thing. But the verse says
the heart is deceitful above all things.
Like, if we live a lifestyle of
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just following our heart, man, the Bible's
pretty clear of where your heart's going
to lead you. And it ain't good.
Pastor Sol McQuay (37:07):
Yeah, no, like the Bible verse that
I used, I cannot think of the
reference at the moment, but it says
out of the, out of the, out
of the heart comes, you know, like,
adultery and falsehood and, and all of,
like sexual immorality and murder and evil
thoughts.
Pastor Brent McQuay (37:25):
Like, that's Matthew 15:19.
Pastor Sol McQuay (37:27):
Like, all of the bad stuff comes
from your heart. So when you follow
your heart, you're following all of the
bad things. You know, we cannot follow
ourselves. We were not made to follow
ourselves.
Ti’heasha Beasley (37:40):
That's good.
Pastor Brent McQuay (37:41):
So when I follow myself, I get.
Pastor Sol McQuay (37:42):
In trouble 100 every single time.
Pastor Brent McQuay (37:45):
But yeah, Matthew 15:19, for out of
the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery,
sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. And
it's like, you know, like, I never
had to teach my kids, like, how
to be selfish. Selfish. Never had to
teach my kids how to be rude.
Never, never had to teach my kids
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how to lie. Like, these are all
things they figured out on their own.
Right? Like, if we follow our hearts,
you know, our hearts, that self preservation
kicks in and we will lie, lie,
lie, lie, lie to avoid whatever. And
if we see something we want our
hearts, like, go for it. It doesn't
matter if it's the right thing. If
it's supposed to be ours, if it's
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somebody else's, we'll take it. Like, if
we just follow our heart, it leads
us to destruction.
Ti’heasha Beasley (38:31):
Yeah. And I like how you pointed
out in your message yesterday, like, how
following living your truth is a very
selfish state of mind to be in
because you do end up hurting other
people with those concepts, especially when it's
not according to God's word. So I
do like how you pointed that out
in Scripture.
Pastor Sol McQuay (38:49):
But, and, and the thing is that
sin, sin is ugly because, yeah, you
are the primary recipient of your consequences,
but all of the people around you
suffer too.
Ti’heasha Beasley (39:00):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (39:01):
You know, the people that love you,
they don't want to see your heart.
They don't want to see you ruin
your life. They don't want to see
you in the pit. And the problem
comes when the people around you that
are loving you, they are trying to
give you truth, they are trying to
help you out of the pit, are
seen like the enemy. Because you did
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not celebrate what I wanted to do,
because you did not approve of what
I wanted to do, because you did
not stand right next to me and
said, yes, you go, then you're the
enemy. When the only thing that you
were wanting to do was to say,
hey, that is not the way to
life. And it is hard, it is
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difficult, it is painful. Just seeing people
completely reject not just Jesus, not just
the word of God, but also us,
when you're just trying to help. It
is very, very, very sad. So I
think that that's why a lot of
people just decide to just be silent
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about it. Yeah, Just. I would rather
not say anything than to make everybody
upset and make things worse. And I
can totally agree with that. Like, I
am not a confrontational person, like, at
all. Like, I just want us all
to be happy. We should all just
live in harmony and be best friends.
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And just, like, I don't. I don't
want to have the hard conversation. I
don't enjoy hard conversations. It's just not.
It just doesn't come naturally to me.
Like, to know that somebody doesn't like
me is like, well, what did I
do? How can I fix it? Let's
all be friends. Like, I can't. You
know, I can't. I can with those
things. So having to have those conversations
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to say, hey, the way that you're
going is wrong, man. It takes everything
out of me. Like, I would rather
do anything else. But as disciples, we
are called to speak the truth of
God's word. You know, like even. Even
Ephesians, what we're reading in Ephesians 5,
it says, do not participate in the
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things of darkness. It says, rather, expose
it. So we are supposed to expose
the work of the enemy. We are
supposed to expose the things that he
is doing in the world that are
bringing evil and that are making people
far away from God. So. So it's
like, ooh, here we go.
Pastor Brent McQuay (41:29):
And that's another one of those things
that the Bible tells us to hold
in intention, to hold in balance, because
it's truth in love.
Pastor Sol McQuay (41:35):
Yes.
Pastor Brent McQuay (41:35):
Right. And so. And I think that
may be. And that's probably what we're
walking through in our own personal lives
that I think a lot of Christians
are trying to figure out, okay, when
is it truth and when is it
love and what level of truth and
what level of love? And are there
things that I just let slide because
it's love or the things that I
need to just say it has as
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it is because this is truth, right?
And it's like, man, we, you can
say the right thing in the wrong
way and it's ineffective. And so we
gotta, we gotta find that balance. And
I don't know that I got the
solution to it because I know your
follow up question is always, so how
do you do that? And I'm like,
I don't know, man. I'm figuring it
out. Truth and love balance it out.
Ti’heasha Beasley (42:15):
I was just sitting here, I was
thinking like, so how do we do
that? How do we apply this? I
want steps for the people watching. But
no, it is, it is tough. It
is, man.
Pastor Brent McQuay (42:26):
I think one of the things that
I've been trying to figure out is
there are moments when the truth isn't.
I don't want to say it's not
necessary because I don't mean it that
way. There are situations where in this
moment of a bigger story of the
situation in this moment, I need love,
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not truth, or I need to give
love, not, not truth. Now in the
overall picture of this, yes, I need
to present truth. But in this, this
explicit moment, this, this situation, looking at
somebody that's hurting, they don't need to
hear truth from me. They need a
hug that's so good. And so making
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sure that truth in love, sometimes it
means I'm going to be heavier on
the love side, but I can't neglect
the truth side. But sometimes we think
of, you know, what's, what's the whole
adage of, you know, you can win
the battle but lose the war. And
I think sometimes we have to look
at the war needs to have truth
and love. But there are some battles
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that just need to be fought with
love.
Ti’heasha Beasley (43:33):
Yeah, that's good.
Pastor Sol McQuay (43:35):
You know, we had this phrase a
long time ago that we have to
love people to Jesus, you know, so
there's a lot of times that the,
the way that you are loving people
is gonna make them more receptive to,
to the truth of God's word, to,
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to, to be able to learn a
little bit more about what the word
says. And, and you know, because you're
not just immediately just throwing the truth
bricks. You know, I don't have anything
against street evangelists or anything like that,
by any means. But there's a lot
of times that just. Just yelling at
the top of your lungs, you're going
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to hell can be more damaging than
helpful for some people. And it may
work for some people. Some people need
to hear y'all stop it, wake up.
You know, because it works for some
people. Like it. It might. It might
actually resonate with some.
Ti’heasha Beasley (44:32):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (44:32):
But in the overall, I think that
sometimes we need to be a little
more tactful, a little more gracious. You
know, the Bible says that it's the
kindness of God that leads us to
repentance. So it is that understanding that
God is not just out there trying
to get you and trying to punish
you and try to give you consequences
for every single thing that you do.
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But he's a loving God that sent
his son to die for you because
he wants you to live in freedom
and he wants you to one day
be with him in heaven. Like, understanding
that kind of changes the way that
you see God. It is not that
far away person that is just ready
to, you know, SAP me every time
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that I do something wrong. It is
a good God that loves you, that
cares about you, that is interested in
every single area of your life and
that he's giving us parameters, and he
is giving us laws, and he is
giving us the things that we should
do and we should not do not
because he's trying to limit us. He
is not trying to put a stop
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on our fun or try to dictate
everything that we do because he's just
an authoritarian right. No, it's because he
knows that left to ourselves, we are
going to hurt ourselves, that we are
not capable of actually doing the right
thing. So we are going to damage
ourselves. We are going to damage our
spirit, we're going to damage our bodies.
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We are going to do the wrong
thing. So he had to give us
boundaries to say, in this boundary, you're
going to be safe. In this boundary,
you're going to be good. In this
boundary, you are going to get closer
to me. Outside of this, you are
in danger. So when we see his
boundaries and his parameters as loving guides
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for our lives, it changes everything. It
is not about a God that is
just trying to block all of the
good life that I have. But it
is a God that is trying to
preserve me. It's a God that is
trying to care for me. It's a
God that is trying to say, hey,
this. In this. In this lane, if
you walk with me, you are going
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to be protected. You are Going to
be safe. You are going to experience
life that has joy and that has
peace. Once you move out of that,
that's when the anxiety and the pain
and the brokenness and all of that
stuff just take rampage. Right? When. When
you start believing lies, when you start
to do all kinds of crazy things
that then add guilt and shame. He
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doesn't want any of that for us.
Ti’heasha Beasley (47:05):
Right.
Pastor Sol McQuay (47:06):
So he is giving us a. A
lane to run. But that is the
problem, that people see those things as
limitations, and that is not freedom. And.
And he is not wanting me to
live free. He doesn't want me to
just do my own thing. Well, no,
because he knows that if you're just
free to do your own thing, you're
going to hurt yourself. So living your
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truth is gonna make you just be
in this trap of hurting yourself and
hurting others. If you come to him
and you follow his path, then you're
gonna experience real freedom. Because you don't
have to think of the consequences of
following God, because it is his truth
that is good and that is pleasing
to him, and it is perfect. Because
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then you're gonna be protected by his
love. Then you're gonna be living in
peace. You're gonna experience. Experience real joy,
and that is true freedom. So I
think that it is understanding. Understanding that
and having that heart. So I don't
know.
Pastor Brent McQuay (48:01):
Preach soul.
Ti’heasha Beasley (48:02):
I mean, I was like, okay, you.
Pastor Brent McQuay (48:05):
Ready for the altar call?
Pastor Sol McQuay (48:07):
Another taco for myself.
Ti’heasha Beasley (48:09):
I guess I was gonna say, what
are the takeaways? But you just gave
us all of the takeaways. All of
the takeaways in one breath. So I
think that was really good. It was.
It was right on. It's a great
way to, like, kind of segue away,
which I feel so crazy, like, ending
so quickly because this is in Ephesians
and we don't have 20 verses to
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walk through 35 one by one.
Pastor Brent McQuay (48:33):
But I think we could, if you
want.
Ti’heasha Beasley (48:36):
I know she did. You did use
a lot of verses in the passage,
but we're not going to do that.
Yes, but do you have any takeaways?
Pastor Brent, before we land is playing.
Pastor Sol McQuay (48:46):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (48:46):
I think that with this whole series.
Almost true there. We're going to say
things that when you first hear them,
you're going to want to feel offended.
Don't, like, take a moment, digest it.
Because what were the. The goal of
this series? And I love the. The
random phrase you kind of threw out
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in your message was not using Bible
bricks. And I think that your heart
is my heart for this Series that
we want to help people, and we
want to help people find freedom and
find life. And if we are continuing
to try and live our truth without
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knowing the truth. I think one of
the other things you said is that
truth is not something we believe. It's
someone we follow or somewhere along those
lines. And when Jesus said, I am
the way, the truth, and the life,
no one comes to the Father except
through me. Like, we want to help
people find that Jesus. And if there's
something in your life that it's your
truth, but it's not leading you to
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that Jesus that can lead you to
the Father, then you gotta let down
your truth for the truth.
Ti’heasha Beasley (49:58):
That's good. We're not ranking. But those
were both really good.
Pastor Sol McQuay (50:02):
And I was gonna say that my
takeaway would be the last verse that
I. That I gave to everybody.
Pastor Brent McQuay (50:08):
Our homework assignment.
Pastor Sol McQuay (50:10):
Yeah, our homework assignment, which is Psalms
80, 86, 11. It says, Teach me
your way, oh Lord, that I may
walk in your truth. So I think
that it will be the same as
kind of like piggyback on what Bryn
was saying is to keep an attitude
that is teachable. Because when you immediately
close down to think that what you
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believe or what you have, it's it.
And if that's not it, then you're
just not with me, then you are
not allowing yourself to be teachable. So
when, when, when you start praying that
prayer and said, okay, Lord, like this,
this, this few weeks we're going to
be talking about stuff that maybe I
believe, maybe I wanted to believe. Maybe
it's something that truly resonates with me.
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But teach me youe way that I
may walk in your truth. Like, keep
me, keep my heart open to receive
the truth that you have so that
I can truly walk in your truth.
When, when, when we don't do that,
then we're just saying, I don't have
space for God. I don't have a
space for what you have to say.
I have already made my mind. So
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just remain teachable, remain open to what
he wants to do, and you will
see that. That his truth is good.
Pastor Brent McQuay (51:22):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (51:25):
Well, what is your takeaway, Taisha?
Ti’heasha Beasley (51:26):
Oh, I was gonna kind of like,
share it here as I. In the
plane.
Pastor Sol McQuay (51:30):
Oh, sorry.
Ti’heasha Beasley (51:31):
Yeah, sorry.
Pastor Sol McQuay (51:32):
I don't. I'm new here.
Ti’heasha Beasley (51:33):
Land the plane.
Pastor Brent McQuay (51:34):
The plane. It's like, we don't want
to end it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (51:36):
No, we don't want to end it.
We want to land it. So my
takeaway is more of an encouragement to
those who are watching. We are in
a sermon series that, like both pastors
said, can be a little offensive. But
I want you to to see this
as an opportunity to allow your fit,
your confidence to be built in Christ.
Right? We we learn God's truth, we
believe his truth so that we can
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be confident. Not in ourselves and our
own ability abilities. Why can't I talk
today? Not in ourselves or own abilities,
but in the fact that, you know,
God has this amazing life for us
and we can be confident in that.
So I hope you enjoyed this this
between sermons episode. Continue to like what
we are doing on social media, YouTube,
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next time, we love.
Foreign.
Pastor Brent McQuay (00:10):
Welcome back to another episode of Between
Sermons. I'm Brent, the host, and I'm
the lead pastor of Disciples Church. And
what we're doing today is continuing our
conversation from Sunday. A lot of times,
that sermon is a little bit of
a monologue, just a person standing on
a stage talking at some people. And
so we love to be able to
take that conversation and really turn it
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into a dialogue where we can have
some feedback, go back and forth, dig
a little bit deeper into some things.
And so that's what Between Sermons is
all about. And if you want to
check out the full message that this
podcast is based off of, you can
check that out in the show notes
below. But before we dive in, I'm
joined, as always, by the one and
only Tyisha. How you doing?
Ti’heasha Beasley (00:52):
Hey. Yay. Hey, girl. I'm so happy
to be here. My sister.
Pastor Brent McQuay (00:55):
I can tell there was absolutely no.
Ti’heasha Beasley (00:57):
Whoop, whoop, no whoop, whoops. No. Okay.
I'm excited.
Pastor Brent McQuay (01:01):
Are you, though?
Ti’heasha Beasley (01:02):
Why would I not be excited?
Pastor Brent McQuay (01:04):
Because I didn't get a whoop, whoop,
whoop, whoop.
Pastor Sol McQuay (01:07):
I got a whoop, whoop. So she's
excited for me.
Ti’heasha Beasley (01:10):
That's what it is.
Pastor Brent McQuay (01:10):
That's what it is.
Ti’heasha Beasley (01:11):
I'm so excited because I'm joined. We
are joined by my sister, your wife.
My.
Pastor Sol McQuay (01:16):
You see, I said that.
Ti’heasha Beasley (01:17):
My sister, your wife. Pastor Soul McQuai,
thank you for joining us today. How
are you feeling?
Pastor Sol McQuay (01:22):
I am tired. Like, I still feel
like I am recuperating from the message
yesterday, but I am good. I'm happy.
I'm glad to be here.
Ti’heasha Beasley (01:30):
I am so excited you're here because
let me tell you what happened last
week. When I'm on the show with
two guys, they're not gonna tell me
that something's out of place. Literally had
a hair sticking up the whole show.
And I text you right away and
I'm like, sister, if you were on
the show, you would have told me.
Pastor Sol McQuay (01:46):
Absolutely. These boys, they don't understand these
things.
Ti’heasha Beasley (01:50):
I know. So it's good. I'm always
saw.
Pastor Brent McQuay (01:52):
No hair's out of place. I don't
know. I don't know what to tell
you.
Ti’heasha Beasley (01:55):
I know. I knew you wouldn't have
noticed. It's okay. But that's why I
was happy that my sister's on the
show with me. I always. We're gonna
have a really good conversation.
Pastor Sol McQuay (02:02):
So, yeah, I am. I am excited.
I think that this is gonna be
a good episode.
Ti’heasha Beasley (02:05):
It is. So yesterday, before we dive
into, like, all of the. How to
make this applicable to our lives. You
taught an amazing message on. In our
new sermon series, Almost True.
Pastor Brent McQuay (02:18):
Yep.
Ti’heasha Beasley (02:19):
And, well, I guess before we go
into the message, what is almost true
about Pastor Brent?
Pastor Brent McQuay (02:25):
Yeah, so we're doing a series for
four weeks called Almost True. And the
idea is there are some things that
we say as a culture as that
are almost true, which basically makes them
lies. Because if it's almost true, that
means it's not true, but there's like
a grain of truth to them. There's
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something in them that we're like, yeah,
I can, I can connect with that,
or I believe in that. And so
we say things without sometimes really analyzing
what we're saying. And there's some phrases
that have become really popular in culture
that I would deem as they're not
fully true. They're. They're lies, but they're
pretty lies. And so because they're pretty
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lies, we like them, and so we
like to say them. And so we're
just trying to find, okay, what is
the phrase that is almost true? How
does it compare to the truth of
scripture? And how do we as Christians
navigate that kind of complexity and the
mess that comes from some of those
phrases?
Pastor Sol McQuay (03:23):
Yeah, I think that right now, like,
just what is prevalent in our culture
is that self improvement type of mentality.
Right. Like everything that you need is
already inside of you. Like, you just
have to, you just have to figure
it out. You have to work on
yourself. And I think that a lot
of those phrases come out of that
of, of accept yourself and just, just
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be uniquely you. And all of those
things that in essence could be true.
Right. We have to know who we
are, but it is not to embrace
our sinful nature, but it is so
that you can recognize in what areas
God wants to start doing something in
you. You know, like when you know
that you struggle in one area of
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your life, that means that you have
to pay a little more attention to
that and allow the Holy Spirit to
show you how to get better. And
I think that that is the part
that is lacking in culture, that it
is just. Just, just know yourself and
that's it. Yeah, it is just be
aware of all of the things that
you want and all of the things
that are inside of you. And, and
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I think that that is when the
whole Almost True comes in. Because, yeah,
I think that it is important and
I think that we all should be
able to reflect on. On the things
that we are doing and we're saying
and, and, yeah, live a little bit
more confidently yeah, sure. But. But it
is not confident in me. It is
confident in the fact that God is
all powerful and that he is doing
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something in me. And then I don't
have to go in my own strength,
but in his. So I think that
it is where you're putting your focus
on, and that is what makes these
statements almost true.
Pastor Brent McQuay (05:01):
Yeah. So there's four phrases we're gonna
look at during the series. So next
week we're looking at I am enough.
Or if you're a big Barbie movie
fans, I'm knuff.
Pastor Sol McQuay (05:11):
I'm knuff.
Pastor Brent McQuay (05:12):
I should pull out. I got the
T shirt. You should give it to
your dad. So I am enough. Then
the week after that, we're doing I
deserve to be happy. And then the
final message is gonna be, good people
go to heaven. Whoa. And so yesterday,
though, was live your truth.
Pastor Sol McQuay (05:32):
Live your truth. So we're gonna make
everybody equally upset this month.
Pastor Brent McQuay (05:36):
I was gonna say that nobody's gonna
be happy.
Ti’heasha Beasley (05:39):
Nobody.
Pastor Brent McQuay (05:40):
Nobody.
Ti’heasha Beasley (05:41):
But I mean, it's good that we
did six weeks in Ephesians, so now
we could. We supposed to be mature
believers.
Pastor Sol McQuay (05:47):
Right.
Ti’heasha Beasley (05:47):
So we can take this.
Pastor Brent McQuay (05:49):
We're still maturing.
Ti’heasha Beasley (05:50):
We're still maturing.
Pastor Brent McQuay (05:51):
That's the challenge. We're working on it.
So now we're going to, you know,
step on toes.
Ti’heasha Beasley (05:55):
Right.
Pastor Brent McQuay (05:55):
Get offensive, and it'll be great.
Ti’heasha Beasley (05:57):
I wonder if it's going to be
a week where I'm like, no, like,
I wonder if it's going to be
a week. That hit me. I'll let
you guys know. I'll keep you posted.
Pastor Brent McQuay (06:03):
I know there's probably a lot of
people listening right now that are going
to be really upset with I deserve
to be happy. Because they're like, but
I do deserve to be happy.
Pastor Sol McQuay (06:11):
It's like, okay, well, we'll see.
Ti’heasha Beasley (06:13):
We'll see about that. Shall see.
Pastor Brent McQuay (06:14):
Let's see what the Bible has to
say about you deserving to be happy.
Ti’heasha Beasley (06:17):
Right. So I know a little bit
before we even got started with this
conversation, you were saying how this was
a more difficult message to teach. Why?
Why do you feel?
Pastor Sol McQuay (06:27):
Because I was talking about living your
truth. And honestly, I think that that
is one of those very polarizing subjects.
Ti’heasha Beasley (06:34):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (06:34):
If you agree with what I'm saying,
then you're like, yes, absolutely. That. You're
right. Let's. Let's preach that. But if
you are not agreeing with me, you
are probably saying, canceled, we're done. I
don't want to hear anything else that
you have to say.
Pastor Brent McQuay (06:52):
There's not a lot of in the
middle on this one. It's very much
the extremes.
Pastor Sol McQuay (06:57):
Yes. So. So I was really nervous.
I was wanting to make sure that
my heart behind it really came through.
Because when. When you don't receive the
heart, then you just see it as
judgment.
Ti’heasha Beasley (07:10):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (07:10):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (07:11):
And. And that is the thing that
I didn't want to come across. You
know, like, I didn't want to come
across as yet another Christian that is
being judgy.
Ti’heasha Beasley (07:20):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (07:20):
Yet another Christian that is telling me
that everything I do is wrong.
Ti’heasha Beasley (07:24):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (07:24):
Because that is what this culture is
trying to move away from. Right. Like
all of these people that just say
you're wrong and just. They are just
homophobic and they are just bigots and
they're just hateful and they're just like
all of these things.
Ti’heasha Beasley (07:39):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (07:40):
And the truth in my heart for
it, it's none of that. It is
just being able to show what the
scripture says about it, because it is.
I think that that is what is
going to give you freedom, and that
is what we want to see. We
want to see people live free in
the. In the freedom that Jesus can
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give and. And being living your truth
and. And going after your own desires
is not going to give you freedom.
And that is what my heart was.
And I was just really nervous that
it will not come across as that
and the people will not hear anything
else that I had to say. So
it was. It was difficult because I
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am experiencing that with some people in
my family, you know, that they are
doing what they want to do. And
the moment that you try to speak
truth is like, well, we will not
going to talk to you anymore. And
so it is hard. So. So I
know for experience what trying to speak
truth can feel like to somebody that
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doesn't want to hear it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (08:44):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (08:45):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (08:45):
So I didn't want that to be
portrayed in our services. So I prayed
so much and I was just asking
God, you speak for me, because if
I say something dumb, I'm just gonna
make people upset and they're not gonna
hear the truth that really is in
the word.
Ti’heasha Beasley (09:06):
I mean, I have so many thoughts
from that. Okay, so let me. Let
me start with this thought. Is there
is a such thing as people feeling
your heart? So I'm so glad you.
You led with that. Like, I just
want people to see the heart because
I think I shared this with you,
Pastor Brent, or maybe you, Pastor. So
where if you have two people telling
you the same thing, but their heart
towards you is different, like, if I
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know you really want to see me
grow? It's easier to swallow compared to
someone where it's like, you don't even
care about me. So you just want
to take this moment to, you know,
you want your five minutes, right? You
want your five minutes to tell me
what I need to get together. So
I think your heart was definitely in
the right place. Place. So be encouraged.
I feel like we felt that in
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your message. I felt it as your
sister. I know.
Pastor Sol McQuay (09:51):
Like, I honestly, like, I was. I
was nervous. I was. I have a.
A group of people that pray for
us and that was my thing for
this week. I'm like, just pray for
this message because I don't know, like,
I don't know. Like, maybe it's too
much information, but I had never. I
am not very much a. A sweater.
Like, I don't sweat that much, but.
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But I left yesterday and I was
like, woo, I need to take my
blazer off. Like, my shirt felt wet.
I was like, my goodness, what is
going on? Like, it was one.
Ti’heasha Beasley (10:20):
She's sharing her truth.
Pastor Sol McQuay (10:22):
It was one of those that you
can tell that it was not the
same weight that I was carrying that
I do with most messages. It was
different, heavier, 100%.
Pastor Brent McQuay (10:37):
Every single time I checked in on
Seoul over the last couple of weeks.
Hey, how's the message coming? How you
doing? She's just, we're going to get
canceled. We're going to get canceled. We're
going to get canceled. And I'm like,
we're not getting canceled. And then on
Sunday, I talked about the offering thing
and she's like, oh, you're going to
get us canceled.
Ti’heasha Beasley (10:54):
I thought that it was going to
be me. It's really.
Pastor Sol McQuay (10:57):
You canceled?
Ti’heasha Beasley (11:00):
It was a spirit of freedom. Because
he definitely got on stage and referenced
something that's going on in culture right
now, which I thought was very appropriate,
by the way. What gave you the
strength to even, like, say, I'm gonna
take this moment?
Pastor Brent McQuay (11:13):
And that's a funny question because I
don't need strength to just be honest.
That's. I don't know if that's a
character flaw or a character strength, but.
Yeah, no, I, I don't. I. Maybe
I don't think about consequences enough.
Ti’heasha Beasley (11:29):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (11:30):
To things. I'm just like, well, that
was not right.
Pastor Sol McQuay (11:32):
I think you're just passionate about that.
About. About the truth.
Ti’heasha Beasley (11:36):
That was a moment where you were.
Yeah, yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (11:39):
Because it was like, okay, this man
said something that was against scripture and
instruction. And I saw a lot of
people trying to justify a Lot of
Christians trying to justify what he did,
and a lot of non Christians saying,
that's why I don't go to church.
I'm like, yeah, this is a problem.
We need to go on it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (11:55):
For those who do not know what
he's talking about, it's a popular thing
that's going around right now with locking
doors. That's all I'm going to say.
Because I don't know how much you
say without Google it, without us being.
Pastor Sol McQuay (12:06):
Canceled, just Google it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (12:07):
But I like that if you know.
Pastor Sol McQuay (12:09):
You know, if you know, you know,
know.
Ti’heasha Beasley (12:11):
I like that as a church, we
address all things in truth. And Pastor
Brent is definitely assigned to.
Pastor Brent McQuay (12:17):
And maybe the awkward thing about it
is, like, our doors are closed during
offering, but it's because they're closed throughout
the entire service. Just because it's a
very bright lobby and when the doors
open, it's just distracting.
Pastor Sol McQuay (12:26):
And the people in the lobby are
loud. They look like. Like to talk
and laugh and stuff, distracted.
Pastor Brent McQuay (12:31):
But it's. It's never a locked door
and it's never a security guard or
usher, like, stopping people from coming and
going. So, yeah, it's. It's just. It's
just funny.
Ti’heasha Beasley (12:42):
Yeah, it was. It was a moment
to. To shed truth on.
Pastor Sol McQuay (12:45):
Yeah.
Ti’heasha Beasley (12:45):
So when we think about culture, you
said a word that rings true for
me. Like, I love this word. Freedom.
Pastor Sol McQuay (12:53):
Yeah.
Ti’heasha Beasley (12:54):
Where is the line between living your
truth, walking in freedom? Like, those two
can be kind of tricky, honestly.
Pastor Sol McQuay (13:03):
And that. And that is the. The
tricky part.
Ti’heasha Beasley (13:07):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (13:07):
About this whole series is that there's
so much truth kind of weaved in.
Into the. Into the lie, that it
is important for all of us to
be able to disseminate and. And understand
what part is true and what part
is not. Because I think that a
lot of people think that freedom is
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doing whatever you want. Right. Like. Like
being like you. You. You feel like.
And we are blessed to live in
a country that allows freedom. You know,
that means that you can do whatever
you want to do. You can be
whoever you want to be. You can
work in wherever you want to work
on. You can believe whatever you want
to believe and worship. So we think
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that that is freedom. But in the
context of a spiritual freedom, doing wherever
it is that you please to do
at all times is not free freedom.
Because the Bible talks about how we
are slaves to sin. Right. So that
is spiritually, when you are living in
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sin, you are slaved to sin. So
that is not freedom. It may be
free for you to just be able
to say, I do whatever I want.
Nobody can tell me that I'm right
or that I'm wrong and all of
that, but spiritually speaking, you are not
being free. So the only freedom that
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we have is in Jesus. And that
is a freedom that goes beyond just
doing whatever you want. It is a
freedom that you can feel like that's
that freedom that brings peace, that brings
joy, that brings assurance. Because I think
that a lot of people that are
going around just doing whatever they want,
and they just feel like they can
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just leave their truth, and. And there's
no consequences in reality, are trying to
hide from something and are trying to
run from something. They are trying to
prove something. And that is not something
that we need to do when we
come to Jesus. So it is. It
is a. It is a different type
of freedom.
Pastor Brent McQuay (15:13):
Yeah, I. I see almost a parallel
in society today with a conversation that
Jesus had with the Pharisees. He talks
about whom the sun sets. Free is
free indeed. And he talks about freedom.
And their response is, but we're sons
of Abraham. We've never not been free.
Which is like the most idiotic statement,
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I think, in the entire Bible, because
it's literally a group of people that,
like, the start of the Jewish people.
Pastor Sol McQuay (15:41):
Not from Egypt or Babylon, the start.
Pastor Brent McQuay (15:43):
Of the Jewish people is the exodus
from Egypt, where they were in bondage
as slaves. The judgment of God that
came across them from the Syrians, from
the Babylonians. Even in the very moment
that these guys are saying, we've never
been slaves, they are technically slaves of
Rome. Like, in the very moment they're
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talking to him, they are living in
their city, but it's occupied by Rome,
and they have to do whatever Rome
says to do. That's bondage. And they
look at Jesus with a straight face
and say, we're not slaves to anything.
And it's like your whole history is
just slavery, slavery, slavery, slavery, slavery, slavery.
And so I think that society today
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parallels that, where there's a group of
people that are in bondage to sin.
They are currently slaves. Looking around going,
look how free I am. And it's
like, yeah, you're literally in chains to
something.
Ti’heasha Beasley (16:39):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (16:39):
And. And so, yeah, I think that
there's a. There is a cry for
freedom in this generation, but they're going
about it in the wrong way.
Ti’heasha Beasley (16:48):
Do you think it's because just looking
at, like, history in church, it's been
a lot of work base. Like, you
have to dress like this, or you
have to look like this, or you
have to talk like this to be
seen as a Christian. So now you
have this whole new generation who's like,
we're gonna redefine what this looks like.
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Because then you have, like, the hyper
grace movement that takes place where it's
like, well, God is gonna cover it.
If I'm doing it wrong, he's gonna
cover it with his grace. So how
do we not have this mentality of
workspace where it's like, let me make
sure I'm living my truth according to
the scripture and, like, not going too
far when it comes to, like, grace?
The hyper grace movement.
Pastor Brent McQuay (17:30):
Yeah, I think it's always finding balance,
and I think that this isn't a
new problem. This is. If you trace
this back, you could probably trace it
back 2000 years and see the same
thing happening. It's just that pendulum swing
that takes place where it's. If you
get super focused on this area, the
next generation is like, well, that was
too much. Let's find something different. And
they'll swing way too far. And hopefully
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in those swings, you get a majority
of people that find the middle and
stick in the middle. And so I
think that that's. The Bible holds so
many different things in tension. And so
there is like, we are whom the
sun sets free is free indeed. But
then Paul also says that we're slaves
to Christ, right? So, like, there's a
freedom, but there's also a submission, right?
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And so there's these things that are
held in balance, I think. And so
when we let go of one, we
become imbalanced in the other. And so
sometimes when it's all about grace, but
now, you know, faith without works is
dead, right? And so, like, if you're
not doing some of these things that
you're supposed to be doing, like, where
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is your actual faith? You know, Paul
says, you know, should. Should we keep
on sinning so that grace can abound
all the morning? Of course not. That's
such a dumb question. Is the Brent
paraphrase of Paul's there?
Ti’heasha Beasley (18:49):
We need a Brent Bible, and it's
not him.
Pastor Brent McQuay (18:52):
No, we do not. That is.
Ti’heasha Beasley (18:55):
Oh, my gosh, can we have, what,
a Brent commentary? I just think it's
dumb.
Pastor Brent McQuay (19:05):
I do make some very outlandish statements
sometimes, but, yeah, so I think that
it's always about, okay, figuring out what
are the things that the Bible holds
in intention and holds in balance and
making sure that we hold on to
both. And it is a danger when
it becomes workspace, and it is a
danger when it becomes purely grace. And
there's no lifestyle. Right. Because so much
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of the Bible is actually describing for
us how to walk. I mean, we
just got done with Ephesians. Walk in
a manner worthy of the calling. Right.
And so there is works and there
is grace. How do those things balance?
What, what's saving you, but also what
do you do after you're saved? And
so we're saved by grace, but because
of our salvation, now we're going to
behave a different way.
Ti’heasha Beasley (19:49):
Yeah, I just, you know, I like
this all makes sense. But I know
so many, especially gen zers who struggle
with this works based like mentality. And
it's, it's, it is to me, it
keeps them bound like there's no freedom
because it's like, oh, I did this
today. Oh, oh my gosh, I'm beating
myself up because I did. And I'm
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like, oh my gosh, like we need
to interject grace here. But when you
hear like the sermon, like, you know,
you can't live your truth. It can
be a maybe that's why you got
the stairs yesterday, because it was just
like, well, what am I supposed to
do?
Pastor Brent McQuay (20:27):
So how do you process this?
Ti’heasha Beasley (20:29):
Right, how do I process this? So
what are some practical things that you
would give from this sermon that we
could take in our everyday lives to
actually live this principle out?
Pastor Sol McQuay (20:37):
I think that what we need to
do is follow Jesus. You know, you
read the Bible and you, and you
do your best at living it out.
None of us are perfect. All of
us are going to fail at some
point. None of us are going to
have everything to 100 all the time.
But the question is not what can
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I do and still feel free and
how much do I have to change
without me feeling like I'm just not
having fun anymore. I think that whatever.
It's a matter of the heart. It's
a matter of the heart. If your
heart truly is to please God, you're
gonna do everything that you can to
behave in a matter worthy of the
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calling. Right. Like you are gonna try
to please God. You are gonna try
to live by what scripture says. And
in the fall short then, then you
realize that it's grace and that you
can come to him and that you
can repent and then you can try
again tomorrow. Right? So I think that
that is the difference. I think that
some people just don't want to try
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again. And that's when you go back
into sin and you just accept everything
and just don't tell me what to
do. And that's where a lot of
people even Christians are living in this
live your truth type of moment where
they say, well, Jesus loves you. He
already paid for all of your sins,
so you just. You just have to
repent once and live however you want
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to live. And that is not the
gospel. We are supposed to be transformed.
We are supposed to renew our minds.
We are supposed to change the way
that we live. We are supposed to
deny ourselves. And none of that is
easy. But when you are living to.
To please God, to. To really become
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more and more like him, in the
moments that. That. That doesn't happen, in
the moments when you lose your temper,
in the moments that you say yes
to temptation, even though you have been
saying no for. For months, and then,
like, I fell down again, then you
know that God is there to pick
you up, to dust you off and
to say, okay, let's. Let's go back
at it, you know, so it is
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not being content and not just. Just
giving in to what you want to
do. So I think that is the
difference, that some people just want to
be comfortable. They want to just be
comfortable doing what they want to do,
but knowing that Jesus loves them. And
that is the difference. I know that
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Jesus loves me. And because he loves
me, I'm gonna live my life the
best that I can. And I know
that I'm gonna fall short, and I
know that I'm not gonna do the
right thing all the time, but when
I do the wrong thing, I. I
know that I can come to him
and he will forgive me and he
will pick me up and there's another
chance, right? But it is different than
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just say, well, this is where I
live, but Jesus still loves me. It's
all good. It's different. So it's a
matter of heart.
Pastor Brent McQuay (23:38):
Yeah. And it's wild because we make
excuses for doing that to Jesus that
we would never make with other people.
I know that my wife loves me,
so therefore, I can treat her like
crap and I can say whatever I
want to say and do whatever I
want to do because she loves me,
and it's fine. It's like, no, you
idiot. You want to have a healthy
relationship, a healthy marriage. There are some
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things that just because she loves me
doesn't mean that I get to go
sleep around. Just because she loves me
doesn't mean that I get to ignore
her. So there are things that we
do out of a place of love
and in response to love that I
think that the argument that, well, Jesus
loves me, so it makes it okay.
It's like, okay, my wife loves me.
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That doesn't make adultery. Okay.
Pastor Sol McQuay (24:23):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (24:24):
Is that fair statement, soul? Like, it
better be. Are there some boundaries?
Ti’heasha Beasley (24:28):
It better be.
Pastor Sol McQuay (24:29):
It better be.
Ti’heasha Beasley (24:33):
So what. What about personality traits? Right.
Because we've heard this. I mean, Christians
might say, well, I'm not necessarily falling
into the sin factor with this, but
what about, like, this is just who
I am? Is that an area that
we need to surrender to God?
Pastor Sol McQuay (24:47):
Yes. Any. Anything that it is putting
you away from Jesus, you have to
surrender.
Ti’heasha Beasley (24:53):
Okay.
Pastor Sol McQuay (24:54):
And if your personality is making it
that you are not living in a
way that the Bible describes, that we
need to live, that has to be
surrendered.
Ti’heasha Beasley (25:03):
Yeah. No, because I'm just thinking of
those people who just, like, you know,
they just be in their own world
and, you know, they don't necessarily sin,
but they respond how they want to.
They. They do what they want to
do, and it's kind of like, well,
this is who I am and I'm
not changing.
Pastor Brent McQuay (25:18):
Yeah. I call that sin.
Ti’heasha Beasley (25:19):
I'll speak my. What did you say?
Pastor Brent McQuay (25:21):
I'd call that sin? You said they
don't sin, but, like, I would call
that sin.
Ti’heasha Beasley (25:24):
I was trying to be nice.
Pastor Brent McQuay (25:26):
So, like. Like, I knew a guy
years ago, youth ministry days, and he's
like, well, I cuss a lot, and
I want to be authentic around the
kids, so I'm not going to hide
the fact that I cuss a lot.
And I'm like, shouldn't you maybe stop
cussing a lot? Like, wouldn't that be
the better option than just being. Cause,
like, we caught him cussing in front
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of kids, and we're like, hey, man,
you can't do that. He's like, well,
is this how I talk at work?
This is how I talk in private,
so it's fine. And I'm like, no,
you need to fix it in private.
You need to fix it at work.
You definitely need to fix it with
these students. And so I think there's
a lot of times when people will
use this is just who I am
as an excuse to not be transformed.
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Like, in Christ, we are new creations.
Right. And so just because that's your
personality. My personality, man, I'm an extreme
introvert. Social anxiety. Like, I. I feel
like I say that a lot, and
people still don't quite get it.
Pastor Sol McQuay (26:23):
Like, they don't believe this point.
Ti’heasha Beasley (26:26):
I don't know if I believe.
Pastor Brent McQuay (26:26):
Like, I think only Soul really understands,
like, the anxiety, like, making a phone
call. I, like, get the sweats, like,
asking for ketchup. Like, it's really the
really funny thing. Is like, we're at,
like, fast food place, and Bennett is
like, hey, can you go ask for
something? Like, I'm not going up there.
You go up there. And he's like,
I'm not going up there. So it's
like, literally, I'm a child.
Pastor Sol McQuay (26:47):
And so he has eaten the wrong
food because they brought him, like, something
that he never ordered. And instead of
telling the waiter, this is not what
I got, he just eats it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (26:58):
That's crazy.
Pastor Sol McQuay (26:58):
Oh, I did that.
Pastor Brent McQuay (26:59):
I did that last week. I ordered.
I ordered a burger, and I. I
ordered it with mayo, ketchup, and lettuce,
and they literally gave me a burger
with everything except mayo, ketchup, and lettuce.
So it was literally the things that
I didn't want on a burger, and
none of the things I wanted on
the burger. And I was like, all
right.
Ti’heasha Beasley (27:16):
That is.
Pastor Sol McQuay (27:17):
And that mom was like, just telling
me. He was like, no, I'm just
gonna eat it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (27:20):
I'm like, not okay. The protection. We
all are in agreement. Like, that is
not okay.
Pastor Brent McQuay (27:25):
So that's my personality. So me standing
on a stage and preaching a sermon
is the dumbest thing ever.
Ti’heasha Beasley (27:31):
Wow.
Pastor Brent McQuay (27:31):
If it's based on my personality, me
being in the lobby talking with people
before and after service, like, that'd be
the horrific thing. Most horrific part of
my day. But I do it with
a happy heart, because it's not my
personality. It's about what Christ has called
me to do. And so there are.
There are aspects of my personality that
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I have to change, and I can't
do that on my own. I need
God to help me in that. I
need people helping me. Like, I need
people around me going, hey, you know,
you didn't really spend a lot of
time in the lobby today. Might want
to do better next time. It's like,
oh, man, you're right. I need to.
I need to focus more. Right? So,
like, I'm. I'm constantly trying to improve
in areas. And so when I meet
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somebody that's like, you know, this is
a flaw in my personality, but I'm
okay with that because it's who I
am, and I'm just being authentic to
myself. To me. That's maybe the. Can
I say that? That's dumb? Like, that's
just.
Ti’heasha Beasley (28:23):
That's.
Pastor Sol McQuay (28:24):
That's true.
Pastor Brent McQuay (28:25):
And the thing is, that's my truth.
Pastor Sol McQuay (28:28):
Like, the thing is, like, a lot
of people talk about, I was born
this way, right?
Ti’heasha Beasley (28:31):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (28:32):
And this is who I have always
been. And you might be 100% right.
Like, this is exactly how you were
born, because we all were born with
sin. But the Bible says you are
forgiven, Go and sin no more. So,
like, there still has to be this
transformation inside of you. Like it is
just because you were born with this,
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with this personality trait or with this
preferences or with this way of doing
things because you were raised in a
house that, that, that was the, the
example that they gave you. None of
those things can be an excuse for
you to not be transformed. If you
really want to follow Jesus, if you
really want to be a disciple of
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Jesus, the Bible says you have to
take up your cross daily. You have
to deny yourself, and you have to
follow him. That means that like every
single day. You have to say no
to the things that, that you were
born with. You have to say no
to the personality that makes you more
comfortable. You have to say no to
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what you were raised doing or seeing.
And you have to say yes to
what Jesus says. So that is not
an excuse for you to be like,
this is who I am. Right. Because
then we all will be in a
whole lot of mess. So if I
was just led to be who I
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was born being, you know, and desiring,
that will not be a true walk
with Jesus, because then I want to
do what I want to do. So,
so it is, it is, it is
sacrifice. It is understanding that you have
to die to yourself, that you have
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to follow Jesus in a way that,
that you're leaving everything, everything else behind.
So that is, I think that is
what is very difficult for a lot
of people is to understand that I
have to say no to me. I
have to, to. To put everything else
on the line. I have to go
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against the things that maybe my nature
want to do. But I have to
say no. I have to be disciplined
and submit it. And it's an everyday
battle.
Ti’heasha Beasley (30:50):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (30:51):
So I think that just, just to
say this is who I, who I
have always been, is, is. Is not
an excuse. It is not something that
should be acceptable of a disciple. We
all have to change.
Pastor Brent McQuay (31:08):
Yeah.
Ti’heasha Beasley (31:09):
How do you, how would a person
recognize, like, moving towards the application part.
How would a person recognize that? Okay,
I've been saying this, this is my
truth, but maybe this needs to change.
Like how? I mean, because I'm just
thinking about myself. Like, you know, there's
some things I walk in truth with.
Like, I, I feel like I'm an
emotional person. And I've accepted, I've accepted
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that, like, I'm emotional, But how would
I recognize that as something that needs
to be submitted To God. Like, how
do you start to recognize those areas
that you like, this is just who
I am and that maybe it should
change.
Pastor Sol McQuay (31:44):
So I think that the closer that
you are walking with God, the more
that you are reading the Word, the
more that you are being honest, you
know, to the. To the motivations of
your heart, the more you will be
able to know what things you need
to surrender. You know, like if. If
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you are quick to be angry and
the Bible says being but do not
sin, right. Then you realize, okay, I
cannot just outburst on everybody. I should
probably reel it in. You know, I
should probably change. But if you don't
read the Bible, you don't know.
Ti’heasha Beasley (32:22):
Okay, so getting in your word.
Pastor Sol McQuay (32:24):
Yeah. Like, you cannot know what Jesus
wants from us and what our walk
is supposed to be. Like, if you
don't read the word of God.
Ti’heasha Beasley (32:33):
That's good. That's good. Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (32:35):
I always go back to the same
three things for a lot of conversations,
especially like when it comes around sin
and knowing what's good and what's not
good. And it's. It's scripture, Spirit, saints,
the. The three S's. So what does
the Bible say about this thing? What
does the Holy Spirit bring? When. When
does he bring conviction in something? And
then saints is just when you're around
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other Christians and you behave a certain
way and they're like, you know, maybe
you shouldn't do that. You know. Yeah,
Tyisha, you're a very emotional person, but
emotional outbursts probably not appropriate in certain
settings. And so, like, there's benefits to
being an emotional person. There's also detriments
to being an emotional person. So it's
finding where's the balance of this and
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how do I make those strengths even
better and how do I make those
weaknesses not so problematic? And so, yeah,
Scripture, spirit saints. And so if there's
something in your life that you're like,
well, this is my truth. But it
goes against scripture. If it goes against
what the Holy Spirit's instructing you in,
if it goes against the body of
Christ, the saints, like, yeah, you've probably
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cut that out.
Pastor Sol McQuay (33:41):
And I do think that everything begins
like, with the Bible, because if not,
that's how you end up with all
of these philosophies that are accepted because
you don't know what the Word says.
So it sounds so good. It sounds
like that's what I should do. So
you do it, you know, and it
may not be in a malice. It
might not be in a desire of
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doing the wrong thing, but because you
don't know what the word says. You
can believe anything that people are saying.
You know, like I said, when I
was preparing for this message, I saw
a quote that said, if you're going
to believe everything that you read, start
with the Bible. So I think that
that is really important, you know, for
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us to really start with the Bible.
What does the Bible say? What does
the Bible tell us about these different
issues in, in our lives? But the
problem is that some people, a lot
of people think that the Bible is
not relevant, that the Bible is so
outdated. Outdated. Or that the Bible is
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just a history book. Right? Like, it's
just telling us what happened. But the
truth is that the Bible is alive
and the Bible is going to reveal
to you and point out in you
the things that you need to change.
So we cannot treat the Bible as
the boring, huge book that they read
at church. And like, it's outdated. It
has nothing to do with us today.
And that is not even what the
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Bible meant when they were reading it.
Like, all of this stuff that, that,
that is going out out there, that
is just saying this is irrelevant to
you. And we cannot read the Bible
that way. The Bible is alive and
it is the truth and it is
spirit inspired and it can transform your
life if you take it seriously.
Pastor Brent McQuay (35:28):
Yeah, I forgot who, who said it
first, but that this old phrase of
the Bible's the only book that when
you're reading it, it's reading you. And
like, there is something when we talk
about the Bible being alive, that's what
we mean. Like, I love watching my
dad. My dad is what, 71, 72
years old now, has read through the
Bible every year since he was like
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16, 17. And by his admission, he's
like, there was like, I think there
was one year where he didn't. And
it was the one year he didn't
use a Bible reading plan. He just
tried to read whatever he wanted to.
He's like, that was the only year
I didn't finish the Bible. So this
is a man who, conservatively, he's read
through the entire Bible 50 times. Wow.
He still will text me sometimes. And
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he's like, man, I was reading in
my Bible today and this popped out
at me. Like, I've never seen.
Pastor Sol McQuay (36:15):
He always says, my Bible spoke to
me today.
Pastor Brent McQuay (36:18):
And it's like, you've read a book
50 times and you still find something
you never noticed before. Or God said
something through it that you never heard
before. Like, that's the beauty of Scripture.
Like, it is alive and it is
Active and it is shaping who we're
supposed to be. And so back, back
to this, this phrase of live your
truth. One of the things that I
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love that you did is that you
grounded things in Scripture. Because a parallel
phrase to live your truth is follow
your heart. And actually, when we're coming
up with the phrases that we're going
to use, follow your heart was one
of the options. And live your truth,
follow your heart. It was kind of
the same thing. But the verse says
the heart is deceitful above all things.
Like, if we live a lifestyle of
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just following our heart, man, the Bible's
pretty clear of where your heart's going
to lead you. And it ain't good.
Pastor Sol McQuay (37:07):
Yeah, no, like the Bible verse that
I used, I cannot think of the
reference at the moment, but it says
out of the, out of the, out
of the heart comes, you know, like,
adultery and falsehood and, and all of,
like sexual immorality and murder and evil
thoughts.
Pastor Brent McQuay (37:25):
Like, that's Matthew 15:19.
Pastor Sol McQuay (37:27):
Like, all of the bad stuff comes
from your heart. So when you follow
your heart, you're following all of the
bad things. You know, we cannot follow
ourselves. We were not made to follow
ourselves.
Ti’heasha Beasley (37:40):
That's good.
Pastor Brent McQuay (37:41):
So when I follow myself, I get.
Pastor Sol McQuay (37:42):
In trouble 100 every single time.
Pastor Brent McQuay (37:45):
But yeah, Matthew 15:19, for out of
the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery,
sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. And
it's like, you know, like, I never
had to teach my kids, like, how
to be selfish. Selfish. Never had to
teach my kids how to be rude.
Never, never had to teach my kids
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how to lie. Like, these are all
things they figured out on their own.
Right? Like, if we follow our hearts,
you know, our hearts, that self preservation
kicks in and we will lie, lie,
lie, lie, lie to avoid whatever. And
if we see something we want our
hearts, like, go for it. It doesn't
matter if it's the right thing. If
it's supposed to be ours, if it's
(38:26):
somebody else's, we'll take it. Like, if
we just follow our heart, it leads
us to destruction.
Ti’heasha Beasley (38:31):
Yeah. And I like how you pointed
out in your message yesterday, like, how
following living your truth is a very
selfish state of mind to be in
because you do end up hurting other
people with those concepts, especially when it's
not according to God's word. So I
do like how you pointed that out
in Scripture.
Pastor Sol McQuay (38:49):
But, and, and the thing is that
sin, sin is ugly because, yeah, you
are the primary recipient of your consequences,
but all of the people around you
suffer too.
Ti’heasha Beasley (39:00):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (39:01):
You know, the people that love you,
they don't want to see your heart.
They don't want to see you ruin
your life. They don't want to see
you in the pit. And the problem
comes when the people around you that
are loving you, they are trying to
give you truth, they are trying to
help you out of the pit, are
seen like the enemy. Because you did
(39:21):
not celebrate what I wanted to do,
because you did not approve of what
I wanted to do, because you did
not stand right next to me and
said, yes, you go, then you're the
enemy. When the only thing that you
were wanting to do was to say,
hey, that is not the way to
life. And it is hard, it is
(39:42):
difficult, it is painful. Just seeing people
completely reject not just Jesus, not just
the word of God, but also us,
when you're just trying to help. It
is very, very, very sad. So I
think that that's why a lot of
people just decide to just be silent
(40:04):
about it. Yeah, Just. I would rather
not say anything than to make everybody
upset and make things worse. And I
can totally agree with that. Like, I
am not a confrontational person, like, at
all. Like, I just want us all
to be happy. We should all just
live in harmony and be best friends.
(40:25):
And just, like, I don't. I don't
want to have the hard conversation. I
don't enjoy hard conversations. It's just not.
It just doesn't come naturally to me.
Like, to know that somebody doesn't like
me is like, well, what did I
do? How can I fix it? Let's
all be friends. Like, I can't. You
know, I can't. I can with those
things. So having to have those conversations
(40:49):
to say, hey, the way that you're
going is wrong, man. It takes everything
out of me. Like, I would rather
do anything else. But as disciples, we
are called to speak the truth of
God's word. You know, like even. Even
Ephesians, what we're reading in Ephesians 5,
it says, do not participate in the
(41:10):
things of darkness. It says, rather, expose
it. So we are supposed to expose
the work of the enemy. We are
supposed to expose the things that he
is doing in the world that are
bringing evil and that are making people
far away from God. So. So it's
like, ooh, here we go.
Pastor Brent McQuay (41:29):
And that's another one of those things
that the Bible tells us to hold
in intention, to hold in balance, because
it's truth in love.
Pastor Sol McQuay (41:35):
Yes.
Pastor Brent McQuay (41:35):
Right. And so. And I think that
may be. And that's probably what we're
walking through in our own personal lives
that I think a lot of Christians
are trying to figure out, okay, when
is it truth and when is it
love and what level of truth and
what level of love? And are there
things that I just let slide because
it's love or the things that I
need to just say it has as
(41:56):
it is because this is truth, right?
And it's like, man, we, you can
say the right thing in the wrong
way and it's ineffective. And so we
gotta, we gotta find that balance. And
I don't know that I got the
solution to it because I know your
follow up question is always, so how
do you do that? And I'm like,
I don't know, man. I'm figuring it
out. Truth and love balance it out.
Ti’heasha Beasley (42:15):
I was just sitting here, I was
thinking like, so how do we do
that? How do we apply this? I
want steps for the people watching. But
no, it is, it is tough. It
is, man.
Pastor Brent McQuay (42:26):
I think one of the things that
I've been trying to figure out is
there are moments when the truth isn't.
I don't want to say it's not
necessary because I don't mean it that
way. There are situations where in this
moment of a bigger story of the
situation in this moment, I need love,
(42:48):
not truth, or I need to give
love, not, not truth. Now in the
overall picture of this, yes, I need
to present truth. But in this, this
explicit moment, this, this situation, looking at
somebody that's hurting, they don't need to
hear truth from me. They need a
hug that's so good. And so making
(43:10):
sure that truth in love, sometimes it
means I'm going to be heavier on
the love side, but I can't neglect
the truth side. But sometimes we think
of, you know, what's, what's the whole
adage of, you know, you can win
the battle but lose the war. And
I think sometimes we have to look
at the war needs to have truth
and love. But there are some battles
(43:32):
that just need to be fought with
love.
Ti’heasha Beasley (43:33):
Yeah, that's good.
Pastor Sol McQuay (43:35):
You know, we had this phrase a
long time ago that we have to
love people to Jesus, you know, so
there's a lot of times that the,
the way that you are loving people
is gonna make them more receptive to,
to the truth of God's word, to,
(43:56):
to, to be able to learn a
little bit more about what the word
says. And, and you know, because you're
not just immediately just throwing the truth
bricks. You know, I don't have anything
against street evangelists or anything like that,
by any means. But there's a lot
of times that just. Just yelling at
the top of your lungs, you're going
(44:16):
to hell can be more damaging than
helpful for some people. And it may
work for some people. Some people need
to hear y'all stop it, wake up.
You know, because it works for some
people. Like it. It might. It might
actually resonate with some.
Ti’heasha Beasley (44:32):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (44:32):
But in the overall, I think that
sometimes we need to be a little
more tactful, a little more gracious. You
know, the Bible says that it's the
kindness of God that leads us to
repentance. So it is that understanding that
God is not just out there trying
to get you and trying to punish
you and try to give you consequences
for every single thing that you do.
(44:53):
But he's a loving God that sent
his son to die for you because
he wants you to live in freedom
and he wants you to one day
be with him in heaven. Like, understanding
that kind of changes the way that
you see God. It is not that
far away person that is just ready
to, you know, SAP me every time
(45:15):
that I do something wrong. It is
a good God that loves you, that
cares about you, that is interested in
every single area of your life and
that he's giving us parameters, and he
is giving us laws, and he is
giving us the things that we should
do and we should not do not
because he's trying to limit us. He
is not trying to put a stop
(45:38):
on our fun or try to dictate
everything that we do because he's just
an authoritarian right. No, it's because he
knows that left to ourselves, we are
going to hurt ourselves, that we are
not capable of actually doing the right
thing. So we are going to damage
ourselves. We are going to damage our
spirit, we're going to damage our bodies.
(45:58):
We are going to do the wrong
thing. So he had to give us
boundaries to say, in this boundary, you're
going to be safe. In this boundary,
you're going to be good. In this
boundary, you are going to get closer
to me. Outside of this, you are
in danger. So when we see his
boundaries and his parameters as loving guides
(46:20):
for our lives, it changes everything. It
is not about a God that is
just trying to block all of the
good life that I have. But it
is a God that is trying to
preserve me. It's a God that is
trying to care for me. It's a
God that is trying to say, hey,
this. In this. In this lane, if
you walk with me, you are going
(46:41):
to be protected. You are Going to
be safe. You are going to experience
life that has joy and that has
peace. Once you move out of that,
that's when the anxiety and the pain
and the brokenness and all of that
stuff just take rampage. Right? When. When
you start believing lies, when you start
to do all kinds of crazy things
that then add guilt and shame. He
(47:04):
doesn't want any of that for us.
Ti’heasha Beasley (47:05):
Right.
Pastor Sol McQuay (47:06):
So he is giving us a. A
lane to run. But that is the
problem, that people see those things as
limitations, and that is not freedom. And.
And he is not wanting me to
live free. He doesn't want me to
just do my own thing. Well, no,
because he knows that if you're just
free to do your own thing, you're
going to hurt yourself. So living your
(47:26):
truth is gonna make you just be
in this trap of hurting yourself and
hurting others. If you come to him
and you follow his path, then you're
gonna experience real freedom. Because you don't
have to think of the consequences of
following God, because it is his truth
that is good and that is pleasing
to him, and it is perfect. Because
(47:47):
then you're gonna be protected by his
love. Then you're gonna be living in
peace. You're gonna experience. Experience real joy,
and that is true freedom. So I
think that it is understanding. Understanding that
and having that heart. So I don't
know.
Pastor Brent McQuay (48:01):
Preach soul.
Ti’heasha Beasley (48:02):
I mean, I was like, okay, you.
Pastor Brent McQuay (48:05):
Ready for the altar call?
Pastor Sol McQuay (48:07):
Another taco for myself.
Ti’heasha Beasley (48:09):
I guess I was gonna say, what
are the takeaways? But you just gave
us all of the takeaways. All of
the takeaways in one breath. So I
think that was really good. It was.
It was right on. It's a great
way to, like, kind of segue away,
which I feel so crazy, like, ending
so quickly because this is in Ephesians
and we don't have 20 verses to
(48:30):
walk through 35 one by one.
Pastor Brent McQuay (48:33):
But I think we could, if you
want.
Ti’heasha Beasley (48:36):
I know she did. You did use
a lot of verses in the passage,
but we're not going to do that.
Yes, but do you have any takeaways?
Pastor Brent, before we land is playing.
Pastor Sol McQuay (48:46):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (48:46):
I think that with this whole series.
Almost true there. We're going to say
things that when you first hear them,
you're going to want to feel offended.
Don't, like, take a moment, digest it.
Because what were the. The goal of
this series? And I love the. The
random phrase you kind of threw out
(49:07):
in your message was not using Bible
bricks. And I think that your heart
is my heart for this Series that
we want to help people, and we
want to help people find freedom and
find life. And if we are continuing
to try and live our truth without
(49:29):
knowing the truth. I think one of
the other things you said is that
truth is not something we believe. It's
someone we follow or somewhere along those
lines. And when Jesus said, I am
the way, the truth, and the life,
no one comes to the Father except
through me. Like, we want to help
people find that Jesus. And if there's
something in your life that it's your
truth, but it's not leading you to
(49:51):
that Jesus that can lead you to
the Father, then you gotta let down
your truth for the truth.
Ti’heasha Beasley (49:58):
That's good. We're not ranking. But those
were both really good.
Pastor Sol McQuay (50:02):
And I was gonna say that my
takeaway would be the last verse that
I. That I gave to everybody.
Pastor Brent McQuay (50:08):
Our homework assignment.
Pastor Sol McQuay (50:10):
Yeah, our homework assignment, which is Psalms
80, 86, 11. It says, Teach me
your way, oh Lord, that I may
walk in your truth. So I think
that it will be the same as
kind of like piggyback on what Bryn
was saying is to keep an attitude
that is teachable. Because when you immediately
close down to think that what you
(50:31):
believe or what you have, it's it.
And if that's not it, then you're
just not with me, then you are
not allowing yourself to be teachable. So
when, when, when you start praying that
prayer and said, okay, Lord, like this,
this, this few weeks we're going to
be talking about stuff that maybe I
believe, maybe I wanted to believe. Maybe
it's something that truly resonates with me.
(50:52):
But teach me youe way that I
may walk in your truth. Like, keep
me, keep my heart open to receive
the truth that you have so that
I can truly walk in your truth.
When, when, when we don't do that,
then we're just saying, I don't have
space for God. I don't have a
space for what you have to say.
I have already made my mind. So
(51:14):
just remain teachable, remain open to what
he wants to do, and you will
see that. That his truth is good.
Pastor Brent McQuay (51:22):
Yeah.
Pastor Sol McQuay (51:25):
Well, what is your takeaway, Taisha?
Ti’heasha Beasley (51:26):
Oh, I was gonna kind of like,
share it here as I. In the
plane.
Pastor Sol McQuay (51:30):
Oh, sorry.
Ti’heasha Beasley (51:31):
Yeah, sorry.
Pastor Sol McQuay (51:32):
I don't. I'm new here.
Ti’heasha Beasley (51:33):
Land the plane.
Pastor Brent McQuay (51:34):
The plane. It's like, we don't want
to end it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (51:36):
No, we don't want to end it.
We want to land it. So my
takeaway is more of an encouragement to
those who are watching. We are in
a sermon series that, like both pastors
said, can be a little offensive. But
I want you to to see this
as an opportunity to allow your fit,
your confidence to be built in Christ.
Right? We we learn God's truth, we
believe his truth so that we can
(51:57):
be confident. Not in ourselves and our
own ability abilities. Why can't I talk
today? Not in ourselves or own abilities,
but in the fact that, you know,
God has this amazing life for us
and we can be confident in that.
So I hope you enjoyed this this
between sermons episode. Continue to like what
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