Be One, Make One: How Discipleship Transforms Lives

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Pastor Brent McQuay (00:00):
All right, you guys ready? Yep. Five,
four, three, two. Hey, everybody, and welcome

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to the final episode of Between Sermons
as Christian Life Center. Was that the
too much of a dramatic part? The
final.

Pastor Sol McQuay (00:32):
One.

So if you are new, my name
is Brent. Welcome to Between Sermons, where
we're continuing our conversation from Sundays. Think
of this as, like, your glimpse into
a small group discussion about the. The
sermon from Sunday. You wouldn't have to
have watched our message on Sunday in
order to get something out of this
conversation, I hope. However, if you want

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to check out that sermon, it'll be
linked in the notes. But this is
our last episode as Christian Life Center.
But don't worry, we'll be right back
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It'll just be a Disciples Church podcast
because we are in process of changing
the name of our ministry after 30,
almost 35 years from Christian Life center

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to Disciples Church, and we're excited about
that. And so in order to have
this conversation, I am joined, as always,
by the one and only Tyisha Beasley.

Ti’heasha Beasley (01:25):
Yes. And I'm happy to be here,
and I'm excited to have another female,
my sister, on the show with me.

We have to link arms.

We have to.

I watch the. The podcast, and I'm
always like, why are you doing that?

Attacking my girl. Thank you.

Like, my girl needs.

I need. Thank you, friends. Thank you.
Thank you. So it's payback.

Look, sometimes in discipleship, there's correction that
has to happen.

This.

This guy is just going through deep
and talking all the time. Like, what
is happening?

Yes.

We need to. We need to bring
order.

We need to bring order. So we're
gonna do that today with this being
the last episode. We're gonna set things
straight so we can go into DC
Podcasting. Sure, sure.

And, I mean, she might be your
friend, but just remember, she's my wife.
True.

I watch all of the episodes. I
have a lot to say, man.

Let's just.

You know what?

We're skipping the conversation. We're talking about
all of those moments where I needed
a friend and a sister. But our
guest today needs no introduction. She's amazing,
talented, beautiful, lovely. Our. We don't say
first lady here, but she is definitely
queen of this castle. Cast her soul.
And we are so happy. Yes. Hype

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you up. That's what we do in
sisterhood, you see.

But you didn't. You didn't use her
new name. She got a new name
today.

She did? What? What did? Pastor Jason.

Pastor Fuego.

Fuego.

Fuego.

Fuego. F U E G A fire
is now.

I don't know. He's just being.

Yeah, break this down. Fire as in
like you come with a fire or
fire like you are fire? Because both
apply.

You're going to have to ask him.
I don't know. I have nothing to
do with it.

Okay.

No clue.

I love that. So. But he said
you told him to call you that.
So.

So he was asking for things from
stuff stage. So he was, he was
saying fire and he was saying that
I was gonna. That it was gonna
bring a word that was like fire.
It was like inspirational. And I think
that I yelled fuego just because.

Love it.

Cuz you yell things.

If he's asking, I'll. I'll help. I
didn't ask him to call me that.

Okay. But it happened. It just happened
and it stuck. I think. Pretty sad.

We will see.

Pretty sad. That's her new name for
you. So. So we are excited to
have you on the show and really
in the conversation, but this is really
actually starting the conversation about discipleship. Like,
I know we did B1 last week
and we're doing. We did make one
this week and the two. First of

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all, how do. Who came up with
that tagline B1 make one? Was it.
It was you behind the brains behind
it or.

I. I don't know how fully it
came to be. Like, I think that
we were just talking about it.

Stole it.

Oh my gosh. Okay, so scratch.

100% we saw. But it was not
like, like a tagline from like a
church or anything like that. It was
like, like somebody's.

I don't know, it was like a
random image that we saw that just
said B1 make one. And I was
like, that's. That's it.

Okay, well that works. Not original, but
it works.

So.

And now it's trademark.

We stole it and we own it.
What we do in America, one of.

Our overseers, like Tim Ross will say,
steal and make better.

See, I was, I was trying not.
I was going to say I was
trying not to name drop. I was,
I was trying not to be like,
we know Tim Ross and he told
us. No, no, no. I was just
going to say one of our overseers
once told us, steal but make better.

But make it better.

That is top tier. Yeah, that makes
sense.

I don't know if it matches the
Ten Commandments, but. But you know, steal
but make better. Okay, so we. I
don't know, but I don't know. We
borrowed.

We borrowed and we improved. That sounds
very new.

Under the sun, people.

Listen we got all the scriptures, but.

No, but be one, make one. I
think it is such a fitting. I
don't know title subtitle for what it
means to be a disciple. Like, discipleship
is all about being one and making
one. Yeah, I guess technically you're supposed
to make more than one, but, yeah,
be one, make one sounds better than
be one. Make a bunch.

Make a bunch. Is there a number
we should all strive for when making
disciples?

I think the striving. What we should
be striving for is one more. Okay,
that. That's kind of my. My heart
is. There's always there's one more. So
I don't know if you've made 10,
make one more. You made 10,000. Make
one more. You've made zero, make one
more. Like, it's just always one more.

Should you make multiple at the same
time? I have a lot of questions.

Like, I think that everything depends on,
you know, your life. Yeah, your. Your
capacity. Because we don't want to do
things halfway. We don't want to not
be able to be available. You know,
if you're telling people, I'm gonna be
walking with you, and if you need
anything, you can call on me. But

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you are in this season where you
are not available and they need you
and you're not there, then why to
put more on you. Having a lot
of people, right? Maybe sometimes you just
have the capacity to truly care well
for one person. That doesn't mean that

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you don't talk about Jesus to people.
So I think that that is the
difference. If you cannot be fully committed
to 20 people, be committed to one.
That's fine. But continue talking about Jesus.
Bring him to a place where they
can learn and receive Jesus, and surround
yourself with people who can have the

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capacity to care for them. It is
not like, well, I don't have the
capacity, so I'm not gonna do anything.
I think that's a difference.

Yeah, definitely a capacity issue. I would
say shout out to our CLC Devao
family, but their model is 12. So,
like, that's their big push is 12
disciples. Because Jesus had 12 disciples. I
growing up as an American, we use
a base 10 math system. So in
my head, it's always 10 multiples of

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10. And so we've even taught our
staff here. It's like, hey, if you
have one leader and more than 10
people under that one leader, you're probably
gonna end up failing because it's really
hard for us to be connected to
more than 10 at a time. So,
like, my discipleship group that I'm starting
in February. It's 10 guys. Okay. And
so I think that wherever your capacity

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is, I think one or two people
is a great dynamic to have. So,
like, if you're going out to sit
down for an hour and talk through
discipleship with somebody, one or two people
in that conversation with you is fantastic.
The more people you get into that
conversation, the less each person is really
connecting and really having part of that

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conversation.

So that's good.

Yeah, we just don't want anybody walking
alone. And I think that that's something
that I've seen so much throughout the
years with. With a church, you know,
because we started going into this mentality
of, let's just win the world for
Jesus, which is great. Like, that's a
great goal to have. But sometimes in
that endeavor, you end up just going

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and telling people about Jesus. They receive
Jesus and you just move on. And
then you have freshly new converts that
have no idea what to do, how
their life is actually going to be
transformed. What does this actually mean? So
it is very difficult for them to
be fully grounded in Jesus if they
don't have anybody that they can walk

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with, somebody that can actually show them
what it means and how to live
differently. And I think that that is
where. Where just as the sea. The
sea church, we have been quite weak
in recent years that. That we have
not fully equipped people to follow Cheese
as well.

No, that's true. I like just to
go back, do a little summary of
your message, make one, which is a
continuation of last week, which was B1.
And so this week we're talking about
how you duplicate what you've learned as
a disciple. And so I liked in
your sermon how you talked like, we

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did this, the game Simon said. And
he was like, you just. You had
us, like, touch our nose and all
the fun people give me a game
show. And I'm doing this at church,
but you can come in and hang
out with me on this show anytime.
But I love how you. You stated
like, you. You had us do different
prompts, you know, touch our head and

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all this other stuff. But you said,
how much more do we need to
follow the voice of God? And I
feel like in being a disciple, it's
always. It's also about knowing God and
knowing his word. So why is the
be one make one? Because I guess
it is the foundation of discipleship, but
why is it so important to teach

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it to our congregation as we go
into this new stage of disciples church?

Thanks, Robin. Yeah. So I think the
Reality of this is, if you are
waiting for the pastor to make you
a disciple, you're gonna be waiting a
really long time. Like today we had
over a thousand people in the church.
I can't make a thousand disciples.

You can do it.

I met a bunch of people today
for the very first time. I remember
some of their names. Like, but if
I don't even know your name, I'm
not. I'm not discipling you. Right. And
so, like, the. Our model is based
off of Ephesians that says the work
of the pastors, prophets, evangelists, teachers, all,
like, their job is to equip the

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saints for the work of the ministry.
And so really, the person that's going
to be doing the ministry is the
people in the congregation. And so when
it comes to discipleship, you need somebody
that's actually sitting beside you in that
service that knows your name, that knows
your struggles, that knows what you've been
going through, that can actually walk this

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through. And so if this is just
something that the pastors and the staff
and the elders are like, yeah, we're
making disciples. We're going to be very
limited in the number of disciples we
can actually make and how well we
can make them.

And the thing is that you can't
inspire and you can challenge and you
can teach the word of God, you
know, from. From stage, but that doesn't
replace the one on one component of
discipleship. It is necessary. You need to

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be known and know people, you know,
so you need to be able to
say, this is what I'm struggling with
today. Like, like when I was preaching
this morning, how many people did. I
actually knew their stories from this week.

Mine.

But you know, like, it is. It
is very limited.

Yeah.

So if, if, if the only discipleship
moment that you have is just coming
and getting the information, you are not
really walking with people and getting challenged
and getting prayed for and getting encouraged.
Like, nobody is knowing you. So when
something happens in your life, when you
are struggling, when you are in pain,

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when you're celebrating, nobody is there with
you. And we should not be living
life alone. We are supposed to do
things together.

Yeah.

You know, and together we seek God.
And when. And when you're struggling in
your faith, I can give you some
of my strength. And when I am
struggling, you give me some of yours.
Right. It is that. It is that
relationship. And if you don't have that,
it is gonna be way more difficult
for you to fully commit to Christ.
Because when you lack that, that, that

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conversation and that moment of, of being
real and transparent with somebody when you
are doing the same thing that you
have always done and you're not really
changing your life, who knows about it?
So you need. You need people.

Yeah.

You do.

Yeah. And maybe I'm over complicating, and
maybe some people overcomplicate discipleship. So how
perfect do you have to be to
disciple people? I mean, I'm not being
funny, but it's like, should I know
all of the scripture? Should I, like,
be in position of leadership? Like, how
can we encourage people to really take
ownership of discipleship outside of, like, you

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know, I'm a leader. I'm on staff.
I'm a. I'm a pastor. Like, how
do we get people to take hold
of that and really own it? Because
it's perfect though, right? No, I'm.

I know none of us are, you
know, like, none of us are perfect.
So if you're waiting to be perfect,
then you wait until you see Jesus,
because on this side of eternity, we
are never going to be perfect ever.

So can you have any. Is there
a list of struggles you should not
have when you start discipling people?

Honestly, I don't have a list. I
would say that there. There's probably some
people that have maybe some very strong
sin issues in their life that in
that season, you probably should really be
focusing on being discipled more than discipling
somebody else. However, like, we've talked about
a couple, I think, two weeks in
a row now. We've used the whole
one week ahead.

Yes.

And I think that there's an element
of staying one week ahead that I
think is vital in all of this.
And so, yeah, I think that you
can know that there's a sin that
you're struggling with and still be doing
your best to disciple someone else. But
you just have to be very careful
in those moments to not be leading
them into the same sin that you're
in. And so that would be my.

To not fake it. I think that
can be very easy to just go
into the, oh, no, I am great.
I am doing fantastic. I love Jesus.
But you're secretly still doing what you
always wanted to do. I think that
the most important thing is you are
striving to be more like Jesus. You

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are truly committing yourself to. To follow
everything that the scriptures say. And, and
if we are all honest, there's a
lot of times where we all fall
short from that because we are not
perfect. We are still people. Like, even
just yesterday we were talking, me and
Brent, and. And I was Just feeling

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all kinds of anxiety and just a
lot of stuff. And. And my husband
was like, okay, so have you done
this and have you done that? Are
you praying? And I'm like. And I
literally told him, like, I don't want
to pray again. Like, I just. I
just want this to be over. Right?
So. So, yeah, like, we all still
have moments of like, this is hard.

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But are you still gonna push to
say, but no matter how I feel,
I'm still gonna look at God. And
no matter how I feel, I'm still
gonna go and pray and listen to
worship music because I need Jesus right
now. Right? So I think that as
long as your heart truly is to
look at God, to follow him, truly

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to do it when it hurts, to
know that you are trying to say
no to yourself or to the things
that are happening in your life, yet
you're saying, God, it is not about
what I want. It's about what you
have commanded us to do. So I'm
gonna do my best. I think that

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that is when you're in a better
position to tell other people. I know,
man, it's hard, but we can do
it. I think it is when you
have that resolve to say, I am
going to do what God called me
to do, and no matter what happens,
we're in this together. And I think
that that's when. When discipleship can be
happening, because then you can see it

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in yourself and you can see it
in other people, and you can say,
we're going to get there. And when
you were talking about, like, knowing all
of the scriptures and all this stuff,
I. People need to be okay saying,
I don't know.

Yeah, absolutely.

I think that people need to be
okay saying, I have no idea how
that works. I don't know what that
means. Let's figure it out together. Let
me go and ask my pastor. Let
me go and ask my leader. Let
me go and ask somebody that I
trust, that I know, that they know
more. More about the Bible than I
do, and I either come back with
the answer or we'll go together, right?

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Let's figure this out together. Because then
you're not just helping that person. You're
also getting knowledge. And it is okay.
I think that we all should be
good trying to come up with those
answers together instead of just pretending that
you know it all or waiting until
you know it all, because we don't.
And there's times that somebody asks us

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a question and we are like, I
have no clue. And that have led
us to stop, study something and you're
like, oh, now I understand it better
because somebody else had a question, and
that enriches your life, too.

Yeah. To jump in there. I think
one thing that we also have to
keep in mind is that there's. There's.
Technically speaking, there's like, two kinds of
discipleship that's going on. Okay. And one
is very evangelistic. It's taking somebody that
doesn't know Christ and walking through this
process. And maybe we can talk about
the distinction of that as we get
into these points. And so it's either

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not a Christian to becoming a Christian,
or, like, baby Christian, like, in that
moment. Yes. The discipleship relationship is this.
It's like person here, discipling person here.
But there's also a level of discipleship
that happens that I would call mutual
discipleship, where you guys are both on
the same level, and you're just challenging

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and encouraging each other. And so it
isn't that one of you is like,
the master and the other one is
the student in that relationship. It's like,
okay, Jesus is the master, and we're
both students, but we're trying to learn
together. That's good. And so there's this
mutual discipleship that's happening where, hey, I
could come this week and be like,
man, I got this great word from
God. Let's talk about it together. And

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then the following week, you could come
and be like, man, I got beat
up this week, and I don't know
what to do. Right. And so you
can both be the one teaching and
the one learning within that dynamic, within
that relationship.

That's something really good to highlight. And
I. I think I'm. I'm glad that
was brought up in the podcast, because
maybe people had this. This mindset of,
like, one has to be above the
other to have, like, a true discipleship
moment. Because I'm even thinking about this
word duplication. And some people shouldn't be
duplicating themselves.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It is like.

And that is a huge challenge. Like.
Like, I think we've talked about this
before, but, like, when. When Paul says,
follow me as I follow Christ, like,
imitate me as I imitate Christ. It's
like, okay, if you were to say
that to somebody and they start following
you, are they gonna end up at
Jesus?

Yeah.

Or not. And there's some people out
there, like. And there's been times in
my life where it was like, if
you're following me right now, neither of
us are ending up with Jesus. And,
like, I need. I need some help.
Right. And so we, we do have
to, like, make sure that we're the
ones following Jesus.

Yes.

And that's, and that's why the progression
is, is what we have. Right. You
are one first, and then you make
one. You have to be one to
make one.

Yeah.

So you are working on the things
that are in your life so that
you can become more like Jesus. So
that then you can tell people.

Yeah.

About what is happening in your life.

Yeah. Because only a disciple can make
a disciple.

Absolutely. And I think that none of
us, when we say duplicators, none of
us are saying, like, we don't want
an army of soul, little souls running
around. That will be terrifying. No, we
want to see Jesus in every single
person. That every single person is saying,

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okay, now I am duplicating what the
Word says. Because if Saul is living
what the Word says and Saul is
striving for what the Word says, I
am going to be challenging you to
strive for what the Word says. You
know, it is never going to be
like, do as I do. Because in,
in all honesty, we all struggle with
different things. We all learn differently. We
all process life differently. You know, like,

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my husband is more of a. A
thinker. I have more of a crier.
You know, like, I just. I just
need.

I didn't know those were the two
options. Or you can cry.

I have more of a crier. Let's
talk about it. Let me process out
love. And he's just very quiet. And
I'm like, you don't care about.

Any of this stuff. It makes sense
now.

Analytical and emotional. I don't, I don't
know what the two tears are.

I guess that that makes more sense.

I just feel like thinking and crying
are not like, on the same level.
Like, here's the two options. You can
either think or you can cry.

Did you talk about that last week?
Like, no crying. You're weak, Your legs
been weak or something?

Yeah, he just, you know, he just
process differently. So we cannot just assume
that what works for me in my
walk with God is going to work
for everybody. You know, even, Even in
your devotional time. Like, some people want
to wake up at five in the
morning and read the Bible. I wake
up at five in the morning, read
the Bible. You know what I learned?
Absolutely nothing. Because I was falling asleep.

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Right. I fought more to stay away
than to actually read. For me, five
in the morning doesn't work for me.
Getting up before all of my kids
so that I can have my quiet
time. Actually, quiet doesn't work for me.
What works is my kids are gone.
They are in school. I can sit
down with my cup of coffee, and
then I am awake, and I can
read my Bible, you know? So what

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works?

Always got to bring that coffee.

The coffee. Coffee and Jesus. Let's get
her a shirt or a plaque.

Yes. But, you know, like, I. I
think that that's what works for me.
So, like, even in those things, we
are not trying to duplicate every single
thing that I do. You have to
do. No, what we are saying is
it is important to have time with
Jesus. When are you having time with
Jesus?

Okay.

You know, it is important to follow
what the word says. How are you
following what the word says? It is
not necessarily abc. Do it exactly be
like me.

Yeah, that's good clarification, because I already
know out in these streets, yeah. People
are like, come be like me. I
got the most disciples over here. I'm
racking up. It's gonna be a whole
bunch of little taishas. We're all gonna
sit on the front row and have
our hair the same.

I mean, that'll kind of look amazing,
but. No, that is not it.

Yeah. I'm glad.

And something that I love is, it's
Paul resolved to. To just duplicate Jesus.
You know, like, the. The churches are.
Are fighting over, like, I am a
disciple of this guy, and I am
a disciple of that guy. And he's
like, what are y'all doing? You know,
he said, if you're gonna boast on
anything, boast on Jesus.

Yes.

Like, stop the nonsense. Right? So it
is not about who has more disciples
or. Or who's. Who's killing it at
the discipleship game. Now, we. What we
are trying to. To say is help
people be more like Jesus.

That's good.

Like, walk them through what it means
to. To be saved and. And how
their lives should reflect the fact that
Jesus is living in them now. Like,
that is. That is the heart of
discipleship. It is not about me having
my posse. Right? Like, it is not
that. It is not about who. Who.
Who is more. More famous or who

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has. Who has the. The most fun
in their group.

You.

You can do whatever you want, right?
Like, wherever, but that is not the
important thing.

Yeah.

Are their lives being transformed? Are they
actually living differently? Do they actually understand
what the world is telling them to
do? Because that is what we are
trying to duplicate.

Yes. Yeah, I agree with that.

It's good. I like it.

That was a really good clarification. Wait,
do you want a little Brent.

Running around no one is more than
the world needs.

I agree. I concur. Let's keep moving.
No, I like that you bring up
the fact of evangelism. Not versus discipleship,
but like, let's compare and contrast there.
Like, what are some key elements to
discipleship that is not found in evangelizing?

I don't know how to distinguish that.
I would say like, so Soul's three
points today was learn about Jesus, believe
in Jesus, obey Jesus. I think those
three steps are both present in evangelistic
discipleship and like mutual discipleship. I think

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it's just a matter of what level
of things is happening. So like for
somebody that doesn't.

Who you are talking to.

Right, like, exactly. That's what I meant
by that. So like learn about Jesus
that's applicable to any. Everyone I've been
saved for I guess 34 of my
40 years.

What you got saved? Dead.

I baptized when I was 6. So
I guess if you count that moment,
sure.

Okay, let's just keep the teenager. I'll
tell you the delay.

Race to the earth.

There's a pause there.

What I'm trying to get at there
is 30 plus years of walking with
Jesus. I'm still learning about Jesus now
because we all are. Like our understanding
of Jesus, our knowledge of Jesus, it's
still growing. But that looks different for
somebody that maybe is an atheist or

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grew up in another religion or is
agnostic or whatever. They're learning about Jesus
at a different rate or a different
level. The things they're learning about Jesus
may look different than what I'm learning
about Jesus in this, in this season.
But either way, I still need somebody
in my life that is helping me
learn about Jesus. Okay, believe in Jesus.

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What I love about in scripture, this
belief in Jesus is not about agreeing
to information. Like it's not. Okay, I
believe that Jesus was a first century
rabbi carpenter, son of God. Like it's
not about the information. Believing in Jesus,
biblically speaking, is saying I'm putting my
trust, I'm putting my beliefs in. Another

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way to put it would be I'm
putting my hope in, in Jesus. And
that's a process that, yeah, it's for
the unsaved new believer, but it also
applies to 40 year old Brent. Like
there's still moments in my life where
I'm still putting trust in Jesus. Like
bad situation happens at work or in
family or something's going on. I still
need that. Okay. Somebody in my life

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that's helping me put my belief, my
trust in Jesus in that season. And
then Obeying Jesus. I mean, when does
that stop? Right? Like there's, there's like,
it doesn't matter how long you've been
following Jesus or how short you've been
following Jesus, you still need somebody in
your life that's helping you obey Jesus.
Now at the beginning stage, it's like,

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okay, here's the ten Commandments. Let's not
break those. Right? Then as you get
further and further along, it's like, okay,
well, we're supposed to be developing the
fruit of the spirit, and you were
really rude the other day. Was that
showing kindness? I don't think so. Like.
So like, then all of a sudden
it becomes like we're working on the
smaller details in the. The smaller details
as we go. But in both scenarios,

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you're still learning about Jesus, believing in
Jesus and obeying Jesus, and that's where
discipleship happens. Like, so you need somebody
walking you through that when you are
brand new to the faith. And when
you're 40 years into the faith, you
still need somebody in your life walking
through those things.

Yeah, yeah. Because we're not done.

Yeah.

You know, the moment that we're done,
that means that we are dead.

With Jesus, you're not done till you're
dead.

You see how you said with Jesus
and he said dead? It's like just
straight to the point.

You're going to cut sugar, you're going
to cut this clip. Which. Which version
is going to be the cut? The
cut is going to be you're not
done till you're dead.

You're right. Considered it done.

You can put that on Tik Tok
now that Tik Tok is back and
I found a way to put it
in pretty. That was just for you.

That one day shut down. No, it's
back up. Did you know Tick Tock
is back up? We got a whole
notification.

Oh. So it was just like down
for.

Like, it shut down at like 7:00am
and it was back by like 1:00pm.

Like, yeah, that's crazy. I want to
do a hoax like that. Like, and
then. Nope, I'm back.

Do it with the CLC app. It's
like the CLC app is down and
now it's the disciples.

Well, that will. That would be real.
That's. This is, I guess, like a
couple more weeks before.

Do people have to download a new
app or is the CLC app going
to become the DC app? Do we
know that yet? I've had people asking
me and I'm like, I don't know.
It's above my Pay grade.

Are you sure it's. You make the
pay grade?

No, that's Carlton.

Okay. So from my understanding, it will
be. It's going to transfer, transition into
the DC app for time being, and
then we will have a link to
eventually download a new version.

Okay.

So, yeah, stay tuned.

So stay tuned. There's so many amazing
social media.

So we are clc. Tin. Sorry, this
is totally off subject. I'm sure people
are curious, right? So we are CLC
Tinley on Instagram and Facebook. What does
that be? And on YouTube too.

On YouTube.

So what does that handle moving forward?

It's a surprise. Stay tuned.

Stay tuned.

Don delete us. I cannot believe he
put me on spot like this.

Tyisha's like, I'm here to ask questions,
not answer questions.

What I will say is that you
will not have to follow a new
page. Everything will be turned over and
cleaned up, and then you'll have the
new handle, new pictures. I've been starting
on social to change things over slowly,
if you follow us. So things have
been turning over, you know, a little

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at a time, just like we've been
doing here at church. Like, a little
at a time. We've been slowly turning
things over. So. But thanks for putting
me on the spot. See, there's. There's
only one brick.

I'm here for you, girl.

I'm here for you. Stay tuned.

Stay tuned.

Goodness, if this was. If you were
not here and it was like Pastor
Carlton or Asa, I would have got
thrown under the bus and ran over.

I'm just asking the questions that people.

Have been asking me in the hobby.
I think that's the people want to
know.

Carlton. The people.

If Carlton was here. No, no, no.
If Carlton was here.

Carlton is a people.

He doesn't even have Instagram.

Stop it. If Carlton was here, I
would have asked him, hey, when people
are wanting to give, is there a
new way of giving or is the
old way still work?

Go ask him.

Right? But these. These are the questions
that I keep getting asked.

Okay, so you want to do a
whole special turnover edition next week? We
could do that. We can do that.
That would be fun.

Our post, first love.

Yes.

Start of Disciples Church.

Yes.

We're gonna do a turnover recap.

Yes.

Talk about how amazing Soul's message was.

Yes. Do you feel a certain way
when she get, like, in the audience?
No. You know, when they, like when
she's.

Preaching and I'm like, oh, yeah, they
went. They went nuts over her. And
she was literally eight seconds after I
was up there. And it was dead
silent. So I had to turn around
and be like, what am I chopping?
Like, where's the love? Where's the appreciation?
And they're like, well, you know, it's
soul. And I was like, well, you
know, like you.

You bring that disciplined voice. So of
course we're cheering for you, but it's
kind of like we're scared at the
same time.

Whatever. It's all good.

You don't play games with them.

We don't play games. Right.

You might want to bring the games.

Right.

All right, we'll play. Dachy.

Okay.

I'm so sad that nobody laughed at
your joke. I thought it was funny.

No, they left me hanging. I was
like, okay, so do you.

Want to fill the people in? Fill
the people in. You had a quick.
Is it called Easter egg? No. Maybe.
I don't know.

Well, a quick. Just like. I was
just trying to make a funny and
stay relevant. Stay relevant, you know, like,
I'm 40. I have to. I have
to stay connected however I can. Okay.
So I. I.

One of the hip, cool kids.

Yes. I got in my notes, let's
play a game, and let's play a
little game. I had let's play a
little game. And my son was like,
oh, like in squid game. And I
started laughing, and I. And I actually
told him I should say, but don't
worry, everybody's gonna live a life. And
he's like, that's awful. Just say something
like, but don't worry. There's no dachi.

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And I was like, oh, that's. That's
good. That's good.

I would have caught the first one.

And it was a Bennett joke, and.

I wrote it in. And he's not
allowed to tell me with my messages
ever again because that did not land.
That did not work.

It's all good.

People were just judging the fact that
the pastor was watching squid games.

Maybe.

Yeah. Are you talking about me? I
wasn't judging her. No.

Okay, let's go back to this.

Let's go back.

Let's go back. Where's this conversation going?

We are. This always happens.

I'm helping you out.

Thank you.

You notice how she pointed at me
when she said this?

Always.

She's like, this always happens.

There's only one person. There's always here.

This is why we said we needed
a co host for the show. Because
if it's just me, we just. We
go all over the place.

It makes sense. It makes sense.

So bring us back.

Speaking of accountability, we're gonna stay in
the middle.

Okay.

Did you watch the Forge like you
said that you watched?

Yes, I did watch the Forge. And
I watched. I said I would watch
it Friday night while Bennett was at
soccer practice. And so this past Friday
night, while Bennett was at soccer practice,
I sat in the little cafeteria area
of the indoor soccer place.

Okay.

And I watched the Forge on my
phone.

Okay. So is this gonna be a
God of the Movies movie?

No, it won't be. So, no. But.
And it's. This is. This is a
great opportunity. So people recommend Christian movies
for God at the movies all the
time. Yeah, but the whole point of
God at the movies is to help
people find God when he isn't obvious.
Right? So, like, the Christian movie, it's
like, here's God.

Yeah, Right.

But, like, can you find God in
other things? And so godly things in
other things. And so, like, we used
to call it biblical principles. Like, there
are biblical principles, like, all around us
all the time. And so what we
love to do is be able to
take, like. So we actually, we try
and use, like, the Hollywood's biggest movies.

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So we do blockbusters and help them.

See all the shade. But we'll talk
about that later.

Biblical principles within that little bit of
shade. So, yeah, so we. We don't
ever do Christian movies. The closest we've
ever come to doing a Christian movie
is we did the biopic for C.S.
lewis.

Okay.

That was the closest we've ever come
to just like a Christian movie.

Okay, so did you like the Forge?

I have mixed feelings.

Oh, so we need to know.

No. And no. No shade implied. I
think that when it comes to Christian
movies, I think that it was maybe
even a half step above the average
Christian movie. My problem is I. I
rank Christian movies kind of where I
rank Hallmark Christmas movies.

Oh, my God.

You would have loved it because it's
like a. Like a Hallmark movie.

Yeah.

Have you guys. Have you not seen
it? We have to do a movie
night.

We do.

So. So, so I'll say, like. And
for me, that's just. I'm a movie
snob. Like, I love film. I love.
That's why we do at the movies.
Honestly, I love movies. I love cinematography,
I love storytelling. I love all of
that. Christian producers, directors, writers have just
still never been able to get to
that, like, good cinematography level. Okay, so,

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like, it just. The way scenes were
framed, the way the lines are looking
at all of that. No, I'm watching
a movie scene is.

Frames with everything, everything, everything.

I would have never even thought to
say this scene is Framed all wrong.

Yeah. But no. And like, transitions. And
Andy will back me up on this.

He's back there laughing. I'm like, I
don't get it.

Like, transition moments and stuff. Like, there's
an awesome awkwardness when you're watching a
Christian movie because they don't really know
how to move a scene to another
scene. So it's very abrupt in general.
And so it's just, for me, like,
quality of movie not great. The messaging
of the movie as far as, like,
so coming as disciples, church and discipleship.

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I thought that it presented discipleship in
a beautiful way. I think that the
message in the movie was fantastic. I
think Christians will love it. I think
if you were to try and tell
your non Christian friend that this is
a great movie, they will laugh at
you because, like, for a. From a
non Christian perspective, I'm glad.

We have no sponsorships with the. We
would completely not make the.

But I can say okay to the,
you know, 8,000 or 873,212 people that
told me that I needed to watch
it. Thank you. It was good. I
recommend other Christians watch this movie. I
think that it's. It's a. It's a
good depiction of what does. Taking somebody.
And really the discipleship that they demonstrate

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is like the mentor, mentee style of
discipleship. And I think they did a
really good job with it.

I agree. It was good.

Messaging was great.

Okay. Good as a movie.

Like Brent. Brent has this eye for.

For the standard.

All of the little things. Like, he
can see all of them.

I'm surprised I'm still in a media
department.

Glad to be here.

I'm just like this. I know. I
just want to tell the story. He's
like, the frame is the one.

That is looking at all the details,
Guy.

All of the stuff. All the stuff.
And. And I'm. I mean, he's pretty
spot on in a lot of stuff.
I'm just like, oh, I didn't even
notice that until you said that. You
know, so, yeah, we have a.

Hard time watching TV shows together because
she's like, she's just sitting there enjoying
it. I'm like, that is the most
lazy writing I've ever seen. Like, they
just wanted you to hate that character.
So they just wrote him in a
way that is so over the top.
Like, so lazy.

So I. I am going to send
help because I understand a little bit.

Of what you get, but I can
say they did a good job with
the movie. Recommend it to Christians to
watch, get a better understanding of Discipleship.
I think it's great.

Yes, Fantastic. I agree. Before we end
this play, me and my buzzwords, I
do want to talk a little bit
about. I don't want to say the
dangers of discipleship, but I'll tell you
a story. There was a guy, I
have a friend who goes to another

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church, and a guy got out of
prison. Right. And he started to, like,
connect with people in the church, but
his whole, like, motives was to, like,
set them up and, like, rob. It
was crazy.

Okay, then.

Yeah. So how do you protect yourself
not just from being robbed, but just
from ill motives of people. Like, hey,
can you disciple me? But it's like,
they don't have good motives there. Like,
I don't know. I just feel like
it should be talked about, like, how
to, in this whole process, be led
by God and look out for even,
like, as you're discipling people, how to

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like, just, I don't know, look for
red signs that are not necessarily biblical.

Yeah. I think that you have. I
mean, sadly, we are in. In a
world that is. It's very crazy, you
know, and you can have people that
are interested in what you have to
offer for their own gain.

Yeah.

And not because of anything else. So
I think that you have to be
prayful. Like, you have to be praying
about the people in your life, and
then you have to pray about who
you are allowing into your space. Right.
The other thing is you can set
boundaries, and that's okay. The fact that

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you are the one who is mentoring
or discipling another person doesn't mean that
they have full range into your life.
And. And I think that sometimes that
that gets mistaken because you feel like,
well, if that is. If that's my
person, then that means that they have
full access to everything. And that is.
That's not like that. Like, you can.

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You can't set boundaries. You can't set
times. You can set the things that
you need in order for the relationship
to be a healthy relationship. Because we
don't want you to just get taken
advantage of.

Yeah.

And that can happen in every relationship,
truly. So boundaries are okay. Yeah, boundaries
with time, boundaries with. With spaces. You
know, if we are very much of
a open house, we would love to
have people over. But we also know
that there's times that, with some people
that you don't fully know, it may

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be that we meet at a cafe.
You know, don't feel like you just
have to have arms open and everybody
welcome and everybody everything. Because that is.
That is not wise. So you have
to go at it with, with wisdom.
You know, you want to help people.
And also in this process, I know

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that we, like I was saying, we
don't quit on people and it's true.
But this, this, this whole journey is
a two way street. You cannot disciple
somebody that doesn't want to be discipled.

That's good.

You cannot want to, to help somebody
to change their life if they are
not willing to put in the work.
So if, if you have been talking
about this and I've been trying to
help you and you really are not
even making an effort, then that's a
problem. And that is one of the
red flags. Right? Like so then why

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you keep calling me? If every time
that I ask you to do something
or that I tell you this is
what the Bible says, you still just
blow me off. So I think that
it is very important for you to
have your eyes open to those things
as well. You cannot force people to
change.

That's good.

So there's times that we really believe
that we have the people's best interest
in mind. But if they are not
willing to put in the work, there's
nothing we can do.

That's a good sign to look for
like how invested they are in just
listening or.

Yeah. And if somebody's trying to use
discipleship as their, their mlm, you know,
like it's my multi level marketing and
I'm going to get these 10 people
to buy into my product. And it's
like that right there. Like, come on
now. But like what we teach our
leaders, our discipleship method, we call it
ird, Intentional relational Discipleship. And so the

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relational part, like you should have relationship
with the person you're discipling. So like
you already know that person. You kind
of, you know their, their, their shortcomings,
you know, their qualities. Like it would
be really easy for you to be
like, you know what, I understand what
you're trying to do here and that's,
that's not what I'm for. There's gonna

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come times when, you know, maybe you
don't have a great relationship with somebody
and you're starting that exploratory that that's
where I would say like what, what
Soul said about meeting at a coffee
shop or something is the best advice.
Like before you just open up your
home to somebody that's practically a stranger,
you want to get to know them
a little bit. Now is there a
chance that somebody's gonna try and take

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advantage of you? Absolutely. Like that's, but
that's Possible with everything. Like somebody you
work with might try and take advantage
of you. You know, the homeless guy
that you're begging for money, you know,
he might be taking advantage of you.
You give him 10 bucks and then
you see him walk to his Lexus
and you're like, wait a minute. Like,
you just, you never know.

That's true.

So yeah, be prayerful, use discernment. But
really for us, discipleship happens through relationships.
And so check out the relationship first,
start to build that relationship and there
may be somebody in the church that
you're like, man, we've had some conversations
that have been pretty good. Maybe, maybe
there's something more that we can do
here. Let's go out for coffee, let's

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go out for breakfast. Let's go to
a public space where we can talk.
And there's safety and all that. So
I think sometimes you just got to
go a little bit slower pace if
you don't know the person that well.

Yeah.

And I think that's why it's also
important for you to have somebody that
is discipling you because there's times that
you can feel invested in somebody and
you might not see some of those
red flags. Right. So if, if you
have that relationship with somebody else that
you can say, hey, so what do
you think about this person? I have

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done this, I have done that. And,
and, and get more wisdom than, than
just your own. I think that it
is also good and safety in numbers.
Right. Where you can have somebody else
that can, that can see outside from
the specific relationship and can give you
some input on things that you might
not see or experiences they might have

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that maybe like, oh yeah, I have
experienced that with somebody else and this
is what my outcome was. And that
doesn't mean that it's going to be
yours, but at least you go at
it with a little bit more of
a knowledge of just check this, these
things out kind of thing. So we
need, we need, that's why we need
people like you have to be in

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that community so that you can do
things not just on your own.

Yeah.

It is not you just being all
by yourself doing all of the things
if you have that person that it
is putting into you. And then when
you are putting into somebody else, they
can also give you the wisdom and
what to do and, and how to
go about it.

That's good. That's good. I love the
relate, relational aspect of it. So that's
really good advice for those who are
kind of like, I'm a little nervous
about discipleship. Start with your community, start
with who you are doing small group
with. Start in those spaces until, you
know, you start walking on water faith.

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And then, you know, you can be
more spirit led. So as we conclude.
Not conclude. I hate to. Pastor Brand
always hates when I land the plane,
but it needs to be landed. So
sometimes it's just.

It's abrupt. Sometimes it's just like, man,
I'm enjoying this conversation. I want to
keep talking.

We're done.

And she's like, I'm done.

Chicken to be eaten.

Chicken to be eaten right after this.
So what is the biggest takeaway? And
I'll do something a little different for
both the be one, make one aspect.
What is for both of you guys
to, like, give the biggest takeaway for
this new commission as a church, as
a body.

I think that for me it would
be that we are not trying to
create like a super race of Christians,
right? Like, we are not trying to
claim to be better than anybody else.
We are not trying to say, like,
just we are, though.

We called the series better than Christians.

Like, like, we are better than, than
every other people. And you know, like,
like our people are the real deal.
Like, the other churches don't have the
real deal. No, I think, I mean,
it feels like, like for me, the.
The takeaway would be that it is
not that we are better or more
special is that we have decided that

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the most important thing in our life
is going to be Jesus. And we
are going to strive to be more
like him every day and actually do
what he says that we need to
do. And it is not going to
be easy and it is not going
to be always happy and always just,
you know, like, that's exactly what I
wanted to say no to today. Right?

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It's gonna be costly, but that we
have decided that no matter how costly
it is and how uncomfortable it gets,
I'm still gonna choose Jesus over wherever
I want. And that, to me, is
what the heart of Disciples Church is.
It is not for me to go
to other churches and be like you

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guys, you bunch of Christians. We are
disciples. Like, because the moment that you
get into that point, then you have
already failed because then you are getting
your ego above what God is telling
us to do. Like, we want to
be submitted to Jesus. And that's it.

That's good.

I love that. How about you, man?
I got a million things that I
could say about this because this is
just where my heart's been for two
years. But what really hit me while
you were preaching, actually, I love you.
Brought up Romans 10. It's the how
beautiful are the feet of those who
bring the good news. And it just
really hit me that you are someone.

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That you are the someone that somebody
needs. And so, like, in that passage
says, how can they hear unless someone
tells them? And so I want to
live my life with the understanding that
I'm the someone that somebody needs. And
so I want to make sure that
I'm available in those moments and that

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I'm looking for those opportunities that I'm
not so caught up in doing my
thing that I miss the opportunity or
I miss the moment that somebody needs
me to be the someone that they've
been waiting for.

I'm about to cry. That was so
magical.

Whatever, dude.

The unicorns fly by. Speaking.

Oh, my gosh. That was really good.
No, I'm not joking. Like, both responses
were so good. I feel like as
a church, going into the Disciples Church,
we are so honored to be led
by a woman and a man of
God who have a heart for God's
people and just have a heart for
the things of God. So I say

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this sincerely, that I'm grateful to be
a part of this. This church, this
body of Christ. And that was. That
was just encouraging. So we are going
to land this plane. Are you going
to get emotional? No. Okay.

I don't get emotional.

Okay. We know High mind.

High mind.

Who knows? But we are so excited
here. I'm gonna say it one last
time at clc, because after this, we
are going to be Disciples Church. So
we pray that you will continue on
this journey with us. Like, share. Share
this. Take a look at the sermons.
This whole month, we focused on the
transition from CLC to Disciples Church. So

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take a look at those videos, look
at the announcements, look at the sermons,
and also watch the podcast and share
with your friends and family. We are
on a journey here and we are
on a to be one and make
one. So we are thanking. Thanking you
for joining us on this show.

Before you sign off, though, this weekend.

Dang it.

It's a big weekend.

It's a huge weekend.

First Love conference ready. Landed the plane.

I was landing.

The plan, Invite the people.

To invite the people. How can I
forget? This is actually my favorite weekend
here at Disciples Church. We're just going
to start saying, disciples Church.

Let's go for it.

My favorite weekend. We have First Love.
We have amazing speakers. Where's my horn?
Thank you. Amazing lineup, amazing worship, amazing
dynamic speakers. We are going to be
just in full, like, go mode this
weekend.

Friday night starts 7pm with William McDowell.

Yes.

It's going to be awesome. Saturday morning,
we're going to have prayer at 9
and then service starts at 10 with
the one and only Susanna Fuego. Soledad
McQuay. Saturday night is Manny Orango. Really
awesome, dude. Sunday morning. Oh, and that's
at 6:00. Saturday night. Sunday morning, 9

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and 11 with the gospel ninja himself,
Dan Leanne, who has become, I think,
kind of like a big brother to
our church over the last couple years.
Just an amazing guy. And then Sunday
night, I'll close out the series and
the conference and everything at six o'clock.
And it's. It's gonna be a close

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to first love. A close to clc,
oh, my goodness. But also a close
to better than Christian. It's like, it's
the message that, like, I held off
on oh, my gosh. Earlier in the
series so that we could do it
Sunday night.

Sound like it's gonna be fire. So
you want to be here all three
days? And we're dropping our DC merch.
I'm so excited.

It's gonna be so great.

It's gonna be great. The energy is
gonna be high. So make sure that
you are in the building. If you
are in the Tinley Park, Chicagoland or
Indiana or areas. But also join us
online. We have a whole amazing online
community that's ready. If you are in
other states and you cannot make it
here, join us online. But we are
ready to worship with you this weekend.

(55:39):
And did I do good?

That was awesome.

All right, let's land a Keep your.

Job for one more week.

Whoa. I'm glad this was on camera.

New season. It's a new season.

New season.

Play.

Let's go eat some chicken, guys. We'll
see you later.

I love it. Let's go eat some
chicken.

Sure. My children are very hungry, man.

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