June 5, 2025 • 40 mins
Is speaking in tongues the only evidence of being filled with the Holy Spirit? In this episode of Between Sermons, Pastor Brent McQuay, Ti’heasha Beasley, and Tiffany Hines unpack what it really means to receive the Holy Spirit—and why fruit matters more than flash.
Whether you're new to faith, questioning your experience, or curious about spiritual gifts, this honest and balanced conversation dives into what Scripture actually says about baptism in the Holy Spirit, tongues, prophecy, and spiritual maturity.
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Ti’heasha Beasley (00:00):
Foreign.
Pastor Brent McQuay (00:11):
So we're in a series called Beyond
Salvation. Because the whole idea here is
that saying yes to Jesus is a
starting point for the rest of your
life. It's not a finish line. And
I think sometimes in, I guess, in
our. I guess sales pitch, for lack
of a better term, in our. In
our evangelistic message, the messaging comes across
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as, like, it's all about the salvation
moment, and this is the end. And
you want to. You want to go
to heaven, you got to say yes
to Jesus. But it's really. It's beyond
that. Like, it's. There's so much more
that God wants to do in you
and through you. If, if it was
just about saying yes to Jesus so
you can go to heaven, then why
wouldn't he just take you in that
moment? Right? Like, snap his finger, poof,
you're gone. Instead, you still have to
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go home Sunday afternoon after you say
yes to Jesus. Like, there's still life
to be lived. It's now how we're
going to live, that life is going
to be different. And so this whole
series Beyond Salvation is trying to get
us to keep walking after that moment
of saying yes so that we don't
just say yes and then go home
and not live any differently.
Ti’heasha Beasley (01:13):
Yeah, no, that's good. Thank you for
elaborating on that. So I knew you
had something to say, but, you know,
anyway, moving on, I do have some
questions that someone did come to me
after church, and she was just curious.
She said, I went to the altar,
I prayed, and I felt the Holy
Spirit, but I did not speak in
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tongues. So does that mean I didn't,
like, I'm not filled with the Holy
Spirit? I don't know.
Pastor Brent McQuay (01:40):
Yeah. So my. My stance on that
may be different than some others in
our church, but I don't believe that
speaking in tongues is required as proof
of being filled with the Holy Spirit.
Spirit, yes. There's. There are. You know
what, what PJ talked about the normative
process. Like we do see regularly in
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the Book of Acts, when somebody is
filled with the Holy Spirit, they did
speak in tongues. But what's really supposed
to be evident of the Holy Spirit
in your life is the fruit of
the Spirit being developed, not the gift
of speaking in tongues. And so can
you be filled with the Holy Spirit
and never speak in tongues in your
entire life? 100%, yes, absolutely. Which is.
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Which is also why, you know, there's
some, like, hyper charismatic, very Pentecostal churches
that would even say that your salvation
is questionable if you don't speak in
tongues. And I think that's just. That's
just foolishness. That's. That's bad teaching. And
I think it's done more damage to
people and their understanding of the. The
gift of the Holy Spirit than anything
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else. But the gift of the Holy
Spirit is different. It's separate from the
gift of speaking in tongues. Right, right.
And so you can have the gift
of the Holy Spirit active in your
life without having speaking in tongues.
Tiffany Hines (02:55):
Yeah, I would agree. I love when
we do these series and there are
always people that ask that question because.
And so even when we were. When
pastor was preaching on Sunday, I remember
being in the back as, like, the
worship team was kind of at the
close of it as he was talking,
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and just like, lord, help people that
when they come up, that they. If
they don't walk away with tongues, that
they don't feel defeated. Because sometimes people,
I mean, one friend or member here,
and I know that you were close
to her as well, all this. I've
been praying for years to, like, have
the gift of tongues and being discouraged
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and like, and I have this faith
and I do all these different things
and feeling like that she didn't have
it when she. When you do have
the gift of the Holy Spirit, and
I understand the desire of tongues. Like,
pastor might have mentioned this about we
should ask for the greater gifts, but
how it could do damage if it's
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not nurtured in the space of what
it is to be filled with the
Holy Spirit. And you can have that
evidence can be through tongues, but it
doesn't mean that it's not in your
life.
Pastor Brent McQuay (04:08):
Yeah. What's interesting about it is I
think we only have this discussion around
speaking in tongues. I was going to
say, like, nobody else is. Like, you
know, if you've never given a prophetic
word, then you're not really filled with
the Holy Spirit.
Ti’heasha Beasley (04:20):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (04:21):
Like, nobody would say that or think,
well, I, man, I say nobody.
Ti’heasha Beasley (04:25):
And then there is someone.
Pastor Brent McQuay (04:26):
There's somebody out there that's like, yeah,
if you're not prophesying every day, you're
not really feeling.
Ti’heasha Beasley (04:29):
You're not healing or casting out demons.
Pastor Brent McQuay (04:32):
Like, if you've never cast out a
demon, does that mean you're not filled
with the Holy Spirit? If you've never
laid hands on the sick and seen
them healed, does that mean you're not
filled with the Holy Spirit? And I.
You would have a really hard time
proving that stance from Scripture.
Ti’heasha Beasley (04:43):
So I was going to say, where
do you think that connection between being
baptized in the Holy Spirit and speaking
in tongues came from. I know we
have the book of acts that talk
about when the Holy Spirit, Spirit fail.
So is that where that connection?
Pastor Brent McQuay (04:57):
Yeah, I think it's because as Pastor
Jerry talked about, like this normative process
that we see in several different places
where somebody was filled with the Holy
Spirit, speaking in tongues accompanied it. And
so that just. That just put in
people like this idea. Well, those two
things should always go hand in hand.
And just because we see something described
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in scripture doesn't always mean that that's
the prescription for how things are supposed
to happen. And so I think that's
just the disconnect.
Tiffany Hines (05:25):
Yeah, I think the word evidence also
trips people up as well. Is that
interpretation of like, well, this means. If
this is evident, then this means that.
And I think that that's the part
also that helps. It helps people to
be confused or share doctrine. That is
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not true about, like, if you just
think about just naturally being a Christian
and being full of the Spirit and
these constant experiences where, like, man, I
feel like God just gave me a
new infilling of, of the Spirit, of
the Holy Spirit. It's like, it's just.
It's not kind of naturally in relationship
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with him, that that would only be
the evidence, you know what I mean,
that you're filled with the Spirit when
there are all these other spaces.
Ti’heasha Beasley (06:15):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (06:15):
So, yeah, I think it's also, it
becomes an easy metric for people. Like,
you're filled with the Holy Spirit, you
spoke in tongues. We know you were
filled with the Holy Spirit, whereas, like,
okay, you're filled with the Holy Spirit.
Now I need to watch your life
for the next five years and see,
like, how this fruit is developed in
you and how you love on people
in a new way and how you're
really being transformed by the power of
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the Holy Spirit at work within you.
So one, I can tell you within
5 seconds yes or no. The other
I gotta watch you for five years
before I can say yes or no.
So it just becomes that easy metric.
And I think we've just over exaggerated
the metric.
Ti’heasha Beasley (06:51):
Do you believe that people can fake
tongues?
Pastor Brent McQuay (06:54):
Sure. Yeah, absolutely. Proof of that is
watch the movie Evan Almighty.
Ti’heasha Beasley (07:01):
Right, Right.
Pastor Brent McQuay (07:03):
Like, Steve Carell has like this whole
gibberish moment and it's like, man, I've
heard some people praying. That sounded just
like Steve Carell.
Tiffany Hines (07:10):
Didn't make that up.
Pastor Brent McQuay (07:11):
Yeah, that was like, that was straight
up. Should have bought a Honda, but
I bought a Kia.
Tiffany Hines (07:17):
You never heard that before?
Ti’heasha Beasley (07:19):
I, I think I remember it's an
old movie, correct?
Tiffany Hines (07:23):
No, just people who. I just said
should have bought a Honda. Like, it's
like.
Pastor Brent McQuay (07:27):
Yeah, that's. That's like how you fake
tongues. Should have. Should have bought a
Honda. Oh, yeah, but I bought a
Kia. But if you say it fast.
Should have bought a Honda. Bought it.
But a Kia.
Ti’heasha Beasley (07:37):
Yikes. Please do not. Do not practice
this phrase. We disclaimer. We do not
promote.
Pastor Brent McQuay (07:45):
Yeah, no, don't practicing. Don't fake it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (07:47):
Don't fake it.
Pastor Brent McQuay (07:48):
Yeah, and that. That's where, like, it.
It becomes tricky. You know, I've. I've
heard people praying in the altar, saying,
you know, just. If it doesn't make.
Just start saying words.
Tiffany Hines (07:57):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (07:57):
Just start saying. And it's like, where
did I get that from?
Ti’heasha Beasley (08:00):
Is that Scripture?
Pastor Brent McQuay (08:01):
No, I think that it's just years.
Yeah. Years of just passing on stuff.
And it's. And it's because it's a
supernatural occurrence. Like, there's no. I've literally
seen people advertise that they're going to
coach people on how to speak in
tongues.
Ti’heasha Beasley (08:15):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (08:16):
Like that right there is just stupidity.
Ti’heasha Beasley (08:17):
Yes.
Pastor Brent McQuay (08:18):
Like, man, it's similar to. There's a
lot of, like, prophetic conferences where people
are going to be taught how to
prophesy.
Ti’heasha Beasley (08:25):
That's great.
Pastor Brent McQuay (08:25):
It's like, okay, we can teach about
prophecy. We can talk about how you
should not behave prophetically and how you
should, but I can't teach you to
do something supernatural, like something that only
the Holy Spirit can cause to happen.
I can't teach you how to do
that. And the moment I try and
teach you how to do that, essentially
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I'm teaching you to fake it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (08:47):
Yeah. Yeah. What do you think about
those who have these spiritual gifts, like
tongues, prophecy, who use it to kind
of, like, extort the church? Like, you
know.
Pastor Brent McQuay (08:59):
Oh, that's sickening. Yeah, yeah.
Ti’heasha Beasley (09:02):
Because you see people who's like, oh,
I have this gift and you don't,
so let me use it to capitalize.
And what?
Pastor Brent McQuay (09:08):
Yeah, yeah. And I think there's kind
of two different things at play there.
Like, one is like, creating hierarchy in
the kingdom, where it's like, well, you're.
You're not as holy because you haven't
done this thing. And, like, what's so
funny to me about that is, if
you read your Bible, is there anything
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in Jesus teaching that would say he
wants his leaders to lord it over
people, to elevate themselves? No. Every single
one of his teachings about leadership is
to be a servant. Think of yourself
as less than the people around you
to serve them, to lift them up,
not yourself. And then we get super
spiritual people that come in and be
like, look at me. Yeah, it's wild.
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Just read your Bible.
Ti’heasha Beasley (09:51):
Read your Bible, please. Because it, It's
a timely message. Because if you scroll
on IG or TikTok or YouTube, like,
I don't have a problem with people
sharing the, the gospel or, or sharing
devotion or the teaching from the Bible.
What I do feel like is just
damaging is when you have these false
prophets and teachers who's like, I'm the
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only one hearing from God. And now
there's like, wars between people who are
prophetic. Like, they're calling each other out.
Pastor Brent McQuay (10:20):
Yeah, that popped up on my. My
TikTok. I was trying to reply to
somebody's comment and like, the for you
page was just.
Tiffany Hines (10:27):
It was.
Pastor Brent McQuay (10:27):
It's a local one. Yeah, I'm not
going to name names, but there's a
local one where there's this prophet that's
beefing with this prophet and they're using
their platforms to talk about the other
one. I'm like, can you all just
stop at Chicago?
Tiffany Hines (10:40):
Yeah, just the caution, even. So one
thing that you mentioned with the prophetic
conferences or classes, would you. Would you
say that not of teaching someone how
to prophesy, you know, how to prophesy,
but let me teach you how to
hear from the Holy Spirit.
Pastor Brent McQuay (10:58):
And that's where, like, I try to
have, like, a nuance there. And so,
like, I'm not opposed to, like, a
school of the prophets kind of thing.
As long as it is. Hey, this
is how you read your Bible for
inspiration. Here's how you spend time with
God and, you know, when God is
speaking. Here's how you make sure that
you're listening. And here's how you, you
know, the radio broadcast, you got to
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tune in and you got to turn
down the noise and everything else you
can hear. Like, that kind of stuff
I'm great with.
Tiffany Hines (11:24):
Okay.
Pastor Brent McQuay (11:24):
It's my, My problem is when people
are like, here's the formula for how
you can get a prophetic word. And
like, there's a church that has actually
taught people how to prophesy. And it's,
it's essentially. It's a parallel to, like,
mediums and other people are like, like,
the. What was that TV show a
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long time ago? The Mentalist, where, like,
he can. He can observe things on
their person and now put together a
whole story of who you are based
on the way you're carrying yourself.
Ti’heasha Beasley (11:53):
That's what I do. No, I'm just
saying.
Pastor Brent McQuay (11:55):
Yeah, it's just you miss it every
time because you're like, oh, Brent's upset.
Right. But it. But they were literally,
like, teaching people how to manipulate. Like,
I mean, that's what it is. Like,
you're. You. You're just being. You're Sherlock
Holmes at that point. You're just being
observant to the things around you. That's
not the Holy Spirit giving you a
word. That's you saying, oh, man, their
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eyes look really, really heavy. I can
sense in the spirit that you haven't
been sleeping well lately. No, you didn't.
You saw bags under their eyes. Like,
stop it. Yeah, stop the foolishness.
Ti’heasha Beasley (12:26):
Yes.
Tiffany Hines (12:28):
So a scenario. So say whether it's
in a group, whether it's a small
group or some type of school of
prophets, whatever, that if a community is
saying this space, it's like, okay, I
want you to kind of gather together.
We're gonna pray and see if, like,
what can the Lord give you to
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say, like, about this person? And so
from that, like, I've experienced both. And
the minimum. If, like, if God doesn't
give you anything specific to say about
them, then go simply to Scripture. Build
them up, exhort them. That is still
a form of prophecy. But. So how
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do you feel about, like, those type
of.
Pastor Brent McQuay (13:12):
Yeah, I would say that may end
up being a gray area for me
in that I can see it being
done right and I can see it
being done poorly. And so that's one
of those where I would probably have
a little bit of caution. That's. That's
basically like, the practice prophecy kind of
thing where it's like, hey, two of
you pray for each other and then
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share a prophetic word, and the other
person's gonna tell you yes or no.
Like, I. I get like, this idea
of, like, practicing the gift that God
has given you. And so there may
be some good stuff in that. I
think there's also that same mentalist, Shake
Shakespeare, Sherlock Holmes kind of thing that
could be happening in those moments. And
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you're just encouraging that more so for
me, it's just like, I would have
to. It would be like a case
by case. Like, I'd have to be
in the room to be like, there's
something off here.
Tiffany Hines (14:01):
Okay.
Ti’heasha Beasley (14:02):
Yeah. So we talked a lot about
red flags of what the Holy Spirit
is not. So what is the Holy
Spirit? Like, what are some signs in
the believer's life that we can tell?
Pastor Brent McQuay (14:16):
So I would just correct the language.
And this is a language problem. That
we all have. But the Holy Spirit
is not a what, He's a who.
Ti’heasha Beasley (14:23):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (14:23):
Right. So Holy Spirit is third member
of the Godhead part of the Trinity.
And so the Holy Spirit is fully
God. And what we see is the
Holy Spirit acts as, like, the manifestation
of the representation, I think is a
better word for manifestation. Gets you into
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all kinds of weird heresies. Language is
important. We gotta be careful. But the
Holy Spirit is God's power at work
within believers. And so, like, when we
talk about prayer, we talk about how
we pray to the Father in the
name of the Son through the power
of the Holy Spirit. Right. And so
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it's the power of God that's at
work in believers. When Paul says in
Ephesians that you're filled to all the
fullness of God or filled with all
the fullness of God, talking about the
Holy Spirit dwelling within us, when he
talks about now because of the work
that is within, at work within you,
the power that is at work within
you, he's talking about the Holy Spirit
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in us. So the Holy Spirit is,
I guess the easiest way to describe
it is God's power at work on
earth.
Ti’heasha Beasley (15:33):
That's good for you. Tiff. When did
you feel like you received the Holy
Spirit in your life? Or when were
you baptized in the Holy Spirit? Do
you remember that experience?
Tiffany Hines (15:47):
I can say clearly I remember when
I like spoken tongues, you know what
I mean? On that side with the
window. I. When can I remember? As
young as being filled with the Holy
Spirit is probably a little hard for
me to specifically identify because I actively
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gave my life to Christ at, like,
seventh grade. So I was all in
praying, hearing from, like, that kind of
thing of. In, like, asking for the
Holy Spirit. But what I can say
of a event is probably like experiencing
the gift of tongues.
Ti’heasha Beasley (16:28):
Okay.
Tiffany Hines (16:29):
And receiving that evidence, the evidence of
it. But I didn't think before that
that I didn't have the. Have the
Holy Spirit when we become.
Ti’heasha Beasley (16:39):
Believers, isn't that just something we're given?
Pastor Brent McQuay (16:42):
Yeah, yeah, that would be. Sorry, I'm
pulling up a Bible verse. There's something
in the back of my head. I'm
trying to remember where it's for or
how it's phrased. But yeah. So our
understanding would be the Holy Spirit is
active in your life, at salvation.
Ti’heasha Beasley (16:54):
Right.
Pastor Brent McQuay (16:54):
Like, because it's through the power of
the Holy Spirit that we actually can
actually walk in relationship with Christ. So.
Yeah. But what we do see in
several places in the Book of Acts
is a refilling.
Tiffany Hines (17:08):
Yeah.
Ti’heasha Beasley (17:08):
Okay.
Pastor Brent McQuay (17:09):
And what's funny about that? Like, I
just recently heard a preacher talk about,
like, you know, why the, the, the
apostles, the disciples were filled with the
Holy Spirit So many times, like, Jesus
talks about the Holy Spirit being on
them before the day of Pentecost. Like,
the Holy Spirit who's with you is
then going to be within you. Right.
So there's a difference in, in that.
But then like the, the apostles are,
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are filled with the Holy spirit in
Acts 2. And then a couple chapters
later we see them filled again. And
then another one was like Peter being
filled with the Holy Spirit began to
speak. Like, so like there's a filling
that happens regularly. And so I heard
this preacher say, well, the. That people
leak.
Ti’heasha Beasley (17:46):
That's good.
Pastor Brent McQuay (17:47):
And it's like, because the flesh is
like, at war with the Spirit. And
if, if we don't have this constant
refilling or infilling of the Holy Spirit,
then we, we leak and we act
more like us and less like the
Spirit. Yeah. I was like, all right,
we leak. We leak down a little.
Tiffany Hines (18:03):
We leak. If I was to identify,
even say, before experiencing the, the gift
of tongues, I could see attributes of.
When I made it my own because
I grew up in church since I
was three, but made it my own
in seventh, eighth grade was I could
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see the empowerment to be different. And
so different things I did not desire
to do, but I also desired to
share. And so like, even like when
he's talking about like in Acts and
these different experiences where the Holy Spirit,
like, gave them another feeling. And, and
Carlton mentioned this in the trans worship
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transition on Sunday. And I like, came
up to him. I'm so glad you
explained that because when we sing songs
of like, Holy Spirit fall and those
different things, you don't. Not everyone in
the room understands that, but every time
that happens, it was for them to
go and do something. So that kind
of thing of I can. I could
see if I was to look back
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of like, that constant relationship with the
Lord, it empowered me to go tell
people about him. Or like, this is
why I don't, you know, do this,
you know, that kind of thing. And
then I think maybe 13 or something
like that, or that's good. When I
like, got the gift of tongues.
Ti’heasha Beasley (19:24):
Love it. Yeah. That is.
Pastor Brent McQuay (19:27):
Sorry, I just. I finally found the
verse I was looking for. So it's
in John 20, verse 22. Jesus says
when he had said this to them,
so he's just giving them some instructions.
He says when he had said this,
he breathed on them and said to
Them receive the Holy Spirit. So that's
John 20.
Tiffany Hines (19:41):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (19:42):
At the. At the end of John,
he tells them to go and wait
for the Holy Spirit. But in John
20, he breathes the Holy Spirit on
them. Right. And this is after his.
His resurrection. So I. I think that
at the moment of salvation, we receive
the Holy Spirit.
Ti’heasha Beasley (19:56):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (19:56):
But then there's a baptism of the
Holy Spirit that's separate from that, which
is act of surrender, I think is
the best way to put it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (20:04):
I was gonna say, you know. You
know, you're gonna have to break that
down.
Pastor Brent McQuay (20:08):
I mean. Yeah. I mean, we could
spend. I know probably a lot of
time talking about what the distinction of
that is. And I think it's, you
know, when we talk about these big,
monumental moments, I think that's baptism of
Holy Spirit. That's. That's where this power
comes upon you in a greater way
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than just a random Tuesday. Like, on
a random Tuesday, you got the Holy
Spirit. The Holy Spirit can even be
working and doing things through you. But
then there's also these significant moments that.
That come. So the day of Pentecost
was that significant moment. Outpouring of the
Holy Spirit, Wind and fire and all
this stuff happening. 3,000 people get saved.
Like, that's a. That's a big moment.
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That's bigger than a random Tuesday when.
Ti’heasha Beasley (20:53):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (20:53):
When Peter's like, you know, pick up
your mat and walk, be healed. That's
still power of the Holy Spirit. It
looks a little different.
Ti’heasha Beasley (21:01):
So I like how Pastor Jerry was
like, people can make being filled with
the Holy Spirit look weird. Why do
you think, you know, that is such
a weird space for the Christian community?
And how could we encourage newer believers
who they didn't grow up like church?
How can we encourage them not to
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be afraid of being baptized in the
Holy Spirit and whatever that brings? I
don't know.
Pastor Brent McQuay (21:28):
Yeah, that's. That's a man. I don't
want to be offensive with the answer,
but, like, the reality is there's some
people that are just weird.
Ti’heasha Beasley (21:35):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (21:36):
And they're weird with the Holy Spirit,
and they're weird without the Holy Spirit.
They're just weird. Right. And. And I
will say that Christianity does attract probably
more weird people than some other things.
I'm trying not to be offensive, and
I know that I'm being very offensive.
Ti’heasha Beasley (21:56):
Really light compared to what you said
in the past.
Pastor Brent McQuay (22:00):
It's just the reality of. And maybe
even the Pentecostal and the charismatic movement
that has attracted that to a greater
degree. Right. And I think that's that's
what gives some of the, like, the
orthodox and other people this. Look at
charismatics, like a bunch of weirdos.
Ti’heasha Beasley (22:18):
Yeah, that's true.
Pastor Brent McQuay (22:19):
Swinging from the chandeliers and running laps
around the building and stuff. And so
that's why I always love. I think
it's Ruslan that always talks about, you
know, charismatic with a seat belt.
Ti’heasha Beasley (22:28):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (22:28):
Or I might have stolen that from
a different YouTuber, but I love that.
That approach, that man. We. We. If
you read the Bible, you are. If
you read the Bible with no other
influence, you're going to be charismatic, because
the Bible just so clearly just states
these things like miracles and prophecy and
speaking in tongues and all these things.
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This is just. This is how the
Bible describes the life of a believer.
So if you have no context, if
you have no influence from people saying,
well, that's weird stuff, or you haven't
seen somebody doing something inappropriate or wrong,
then you just walk away from the
Bible going, I'm charismatic. Like, I believe
God's moving the same way. And so
the problem, though, is when people start
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getting weird with it. And so that's
for us, you know, that's why I
say the seatbelt. Right. That's God's word.
And so when you start doing things
outside of God's word, and that's what
I struggle with a lot, is when
I have charismatic brothers and sisters that
start doing things that are like, you
didn't get that from God's word. You
got that from the spirit. But how
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do I know you got that from
the spirit, and you didn't just get
that from the fact that you're weird?
Ti’heasha Beasley (23:36):
Yes. Yes.
Pastor Brent McQuay (23:38):
And so that's like, that. That's the
struggle. And that's why, you know, if
you listen to me for very long,
you're going to know, like, everything has
to go back to scripture because that's
the place where it's not open to
my feelings. And stuff with the Spirit
can be open to people's feelings. And
that's why we get, when we did
the asking for a friend, so many
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questions about, how do I know if
it's a spirit or if it's just
me? Well, because a lot of times
it is just you. And that's why,
you know, first thing we do is
we take it to Scripture. Does it
match? Does it line up? Are we
doing something that scripture tells us not
to do? And so I think that's
where the seat belts have to come
in play. So do we find in
scripture people running laps around the building
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because they're excited.
Ti’heasha Beasley (24:22):
His clothes off?
Pastor Brent McQuay (24:23):
He danced. Did he run around the
building? We don't see that happening. Like,
that's just a weird thing, right?
Tiffany Hines (24:31):
And then some things that cultural of
like.
Ti’heasha Beasley (24:34):
Absolutely, yeah.
Tiffany Hines (24:35):
And dancing.
Pastor Brent McQuay (24:36):
I know, I know somebody that received
healing running a lap around the building.
So, like, I'm not trying to, like,
knock it. It's just when you walk
into a room and you see a
bunch of people yelling and screaming and
running around, I'm leaving, like, on site.
I'm just like, I'm out. Like, I'm
out.
Ti’heasha Beasley (24:55):
Man, that's tough. Yeah.
Tiffany Hines (24:57):
And I, I, I love the gifts
of the spirit. And I think that
even growing up in a space where
like, no, we're, we're going to pray
and if we're together in a gathering
and it's going to be loud and
it's going to be fearless, I think
also with that, it's just these different
measures. And I love how you said,
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like, if you look at the Bible
based off, if that's your base, because
then you can see that naturally, if
you follow these things and believe in
them, then you are charismatic within that.
But you have different cultures, you have
different personalities, and that's okay. I think
sometimes it could be misinterpreted of what
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it needs to look like, of what
the term radical needs to look like.
And so if you don't do it
this way, then you're not radical enough.
Or like, the Bible, you know, has
like, at times, like, people or prophets
doing some weird things, which is so
true that you can find that in
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Scripture. And I've, I've experienced where God's
like, say this or do this. I'm
like, lord, you're gonna embarrass me out
here if it doesn't work out, those
kind of things.
Pastor Brent McQuay (26:11):
There's an Old Testament prophet that had
to lay naked or walk around naked
for, for like a period of time.
There's another prophet that had to lay
on a mat on one side for
like a year or three. I'm always
mixing up the stories. But yeah, I
mean, like, there's absolutely. God has caused
some people to do.
Tiffany Hines (26:29):
Some weird things, but it's an obedience
thing. And not that that didn't make
him radical, you know what I'm saying?
Like, that, that doesn't make some. So
when it comes to a space of
like, I remember and I grew up
and I still am, I believe in
prophecy, the apostolic, prophetic, those, those things.
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And I sang at a conference and
if I, if I was in a
Different space. And I had not been
around, say different people, then it probably
would have been more normal to me.
Or I'd been just fine. But then
I went to college and then you
get around all these different denominations, some
incredibly conservative and having to introduce the
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Holy Spirit in a way that they
just don't know. But just this reality
of education, of people have to be
walked on. And what they do doesn't
mean it's wrong. And so singing at
the conference, this con, it's very charismatic,
powerful. These times of prayer, like before
a session would begin, people are walking
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around, there's, you know, speaking in tongues,
they're praying very intensely. These serious faces.
Air swords, you know what I'm saying?
Well, you're, you know, hot. Shut up.
You know.
Pastor Brent McQuay (27:50):
But now the air sword thing.
Tiffany Hines (27:51):
Yeah. That a shofar is the actual
instrument.
Ti’heasha Beasley (27:54):
Right. They just had air swords.
Tiffany Hines (27:55):
Yeah. You're like, you know, though in
the.
Pastor Brent McQuay (27:57):
Spirit, they're attacking the.
Tiffany Hines (27:59):
So in a space where okay, everyone
may be used to that. I kept
just thinking about there is so much
potential when you have faith in a
room for these audio in tech people
to experience and hear the gospel. But
they are probably in here. Like these
people, they're just cracking up.
Pastor Brent McQuay (28:19):
At the air sword. Like you're weird,
like imaginary sword fight.
Tiffany Hines (28:22):
You're not thinking about sharing the gospel
because. And, and so that type of
thing that. It actually frustrated me because
that was three days of opportunity and
you could do a one on one.
But we're in a conference room for
hours. And finally actually a friend that
I grew up with, he's a pastor
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and teacher and he taught on being
a father, I mean being in the
sonship. And I came to him, I'm
like, thank you for preaching like the
gospel. There are people in this room,
even though this is a room of
believers being sensitive that you have an
opportunity to share with someone that they
can give their life to the Lord
and not just see people slaying in
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the spirit with like invisible swords. So
just, just those kind of things of
like. But you could say that's radical.
Ti’heasha Beasley (29:11):
Yeah.
Tiffany Hines (29:12):
And sometimes people think that that's radical
because that's a faith thing. Or like
it's just these different things of like
be obedient to God, but just don't.
This comparison thing of what radical looks
like is sometimes how it should feel.
What God told you to do yesterday
and going to this place may not
be what he's saying today and be
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okay. That both are radical faith.
Ti’heasha Beasley (29:35):
Yeah. You know, I can speak to
that a Little bit, because I come
from that background.
Tiffany Hines (29:40):
Okay.
Ti’heasha Beasley (29:41):
And I'm sorry.
Pastor Brent McQuay (29:43):
Fighting.
Ti’heasha Beasley (29:43):
I was sore fighting, and I might
do it in my bedroom, but I'm
not going to do it.
Tiffany Hines (29:48):
And that's okay, is it? But you're
not trying to get your wallpapers saved,
you know, like.
Ti’heasha Beasley (29:54):
Right. That was good balance.
Tiffany Hines (29:59):
And I.
Ti’heasha Beasley (30:00):
And it's so many, like, people who
be pretending, and then there's people who
really is, like, they have godly anger
and they're like, when they pray, they're
praying from that place. So for me,
I'm learning in this season how to
balance the two, because I grew up
where it's like, absolutely, you ain't do
nothing if you didn't raise your voice
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and fight things in the spirit. Like,
you did absolutely nothing. Your teaching was
whack because you didn't get cued in
by the Oregon player or you didn't
get emotional. And so I used to
tell David all the time, like, I
can't teach. Like, I'm not doing no
devotionals at D.C. i ain't talking. I
ain't doing nothing because I am too
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crazy for people. And he was like,
no. Like. And so he was like,
that's not true. You know, just pray.
And I was talking. I talked to
Pastor Soul about it. And so I
was just really happy when I did
my devotional and I didn't get crazy.
Pastor Brent McQuay (30:58):
I love it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (30:59):
There could be a balance where you
can share from a place of encouragement
and share the gospel. And it can
be just as powerful as, like, getting
loud and, you know, yeah, absolutely.
Pastor Brent McQuay (31:15):
I'm. I'm with you. And. And I
think that's the approach of our church.
Like, yes, we are charismatic, but we
also. We approach things with balance. And
it's going to be Bible based. Yeah.
I think. I don't want to discourage
or downplay the work of the Holy
Spirit or even leave room for, hey,
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look, sometimes Holy Spirit does tell you
to do something weird, and I think
that's good. I think that there's just.
Man, when you are just reckless with
it, I don't think that's appropriate or
that's good. And when you have a
mindset that God can't move, or my
prayers aren't effective unless I am sweating
and screaming and jumping around and swinging
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a fake sword through the air, like,
then you're saying that it's based on
your power, not his. And Jesus just
spoke to the storm to stop. He
didn't jump up and down and yell
and scream and holler. He just said,
Peace be still. Right? When he cast
out demons, there was no wrestling match
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between Jesus and the demon possessed. Yeah,
Jesus just said, get out. Like, there's
like. So to think that I have
to put on a show in order
for God to move. Now all of
a sudden, it's about what I do,
not about what he does.
Ti’heasha Beasley (32:34):
You better preach. That was good. That
was good. Sorry. That was really good.
I think that's a good, balanced way
of thinking about the Holy Spirit, man.
And it just made me think of
that bracelet, like, www like, what would
Jesus do? Like, man, if we keep
that bracelet on and remember in those
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moments, or we have an opportunity to
pray or witness or whatever? Like, yes,
we want the Holy Spirit to come
and do what he do, but we
also. Like, how would Jesus approach the
situation?
Tiffany Hines (33:06):
Like, yeah, because it's not from a
place of restriction. And that's why I
think the beauty of different environments and
say, different cultures, because I think if
Jesus was to come and do, like,
a revival in Africa, it really doesn't
matter what country is going to be
turned up, because that's naturally, like. Like
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Catholic, Protestant, whatever. Like, everybody's dancing, you
know, like, it's just a natural sake
culture there. And maybe someone else, it
may not be, say as much, but
he's still teaching you, you know, if
that may. I don't want to keep,
like, beating into it, but, like, it's
not about, say, being restrictive even in
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your personality, but also, like, what is
it, Lord? How you want me to
even, like, deliver this in this moment?
Because it could be. It could look
very different here than when you're talking
to a women's ministry, you know what
I mean? Or some going to a
prison. Like, there's a different way that
I see how that's true. People take
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their approach. And even giving the gospel
in prison to guys like, don't come
all light and like, someone, like, give
it to me for real. And there's
that place for that. And so it's
not to restrict, but to empower you
to be, I guess, obedient.
Ti’heasha Beasley (34:32):
Yeah, that's good stuff. Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (34:34):
Yeah, we're gonna talk about that on.
On Sunday. But yeah, it really comes
down to obedience.
Ti’heasha Beasley (34:38):
Yeah, yeah, that's good. I think this
was a really good, balanced conversation. If
you. As we begin to land this
plane, what are some takeaways from this
message that we can just use to
encourage those who are watching, who has.
Have not encountered the whole, well, the
baptism of the Holy Spirit, Spirit, who's
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maybe afraid to encounter it, who really
wants the gift of tongues, but it
hasn't happened. Like, what are some takeaways
or some encouragement we can give? We
can start here.
Tiffany Hines (35:08):
Yeah. I think that even in all
the things we talked about just now
and we shared about the cautions and
things like that, and maybe some people
may still be tussling, is that I
hope that you walk away knowing that
from beginning to end that the Lord's
love for you is the same. And
so being empowered of whether you walked
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away from Sunday speaking the gift of
tongues, that God does not love you
less or anything like that, but that
you are experiencing one, the love of
God. And that if you are pursuing
the Lord, just be encouraged that, like,
he's doing spiritual work inside of you.
Holy Spirit, you know, is moving. So
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be encouraged in that. That, like, someone
that walked away that said this experience
did not experience the love of God
more than what you experience in your
time at the altar, praying, or any
of those kind of things, but just
know that his love is. Is the
same. There is no hierarchy here. And
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if you experience that, just know that
that's not the Lord and that's not
how he. How he gets down with.
With his children, but the love is
still the same.
Ti’heasha Beasley (36:26):
That's good. Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (36:28):
Yeah. I think that we need to
have an approach with God where, yes,
we can desire the gifts. We're instructed
to desire the gifts, but I think
the heart behind it, the why, is
what needs to be expressed. And that
is, if you desire this gift for
yourself, that's a problem. Because the gifts
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of the Spirit are not for selfish
reasons. Like, there's a purpose to the
power of the Holy Spirit. And we're
gonna talk about that on Sunday. But
when we start going, man, it would
be really cool if I could speak
in tongues, or, man, if I could
speak in tongues, then, you know, I'd
be better than, like, that's not what
it's about. And so I think the
better prayer to pray is, God, I
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want whatever gifts you want me to
have. God, I want you to have
whatever gifts of the Holy Spirit that
I need in my life so that
I can be a better witness to
you. And so I think that we
just need to kind of have that
caution. And then I had a conviction.
I don't know if we might have
talked about this on the podcast, because
I had this conviction a few weeks
back, and I think it was in
one of our noon prayer meetings where
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I was praying in tongues, and it
really felt like the Holy Spirit was
like, you're lazy and it was one
of those where it was. I was
lazy in my prayers because I didn't
have to think about what to pray
about, that I could just pray in
the Spirit and just let him take
over. And literally, like, it was like,
stop.
Tiffany Hines (37:50):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (37:51):
Like, don't do that. Like, talk to
me. Use your mind. Think about it.
Pray in English. And like, so I
like. And I still pray in tongues.
Not nearly as much, though, because it's
one of those where I don't want
that just be the. The easy mode
or the. I can flip the switch
and I don't have to be really
engaged in this process. I can just
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let the spirit take over. And so,
yeah, that's.
Ti’heasha Beasley (38:18):
This is such a good episode. Good
conversation always. Because I can attest to
that. Yeah, no, I can attest to
that. God, wake me up in the
morning. Okay, thank you.
Tiffany Hines (38:31):
You got it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (38:32):
It's like, no, I need you to
pray for these specific things. So that's
really good. I think for me, the
only thing that keeps standing out to
me is just when you become a
believer, just know that the Holy Spirit
is with you from that point, and
he will lead you and he will
guide you. And those special moments when
you do feel his presence, and it
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feels like, I don't know what this
is, just lean into it and let
him just love on you. Because a
lot of times, the Holy Spirit will
allow those moments to. To deepen our
relationships with Him. And so I would
say, you know, don't. Don't chase it.
Because I think works sometimes can come
into play. Like, as believers, we want
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to have certain signs and evidence to.
To show that we are believers. But
it's like you mentioned it. Let your
fruits be that evidence. Like how you
love people, how you. How you are
patient, how you are kind, how you
endure. Like, those are things that we
can look and say, man, this person.
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Yeah, I'm walking in the Spirit, or
this person is walking with Jesus. So
that would be my encouragement.
Pastor Brent McQuay (39:41):
Good. That's good. Taish. That'll preach.
Ti’heasha Beasley (39:44):
Praise God. I've been with the Spirit.
Holy Spirit activated.
Pastor Brent McQuay (39:49):
You just had to squeeze that.
Tiffany Hines (39:51):
I'm sorry. I had to get thunder.
Ti’heasha Beasley (39:52):
No, no, that was good. It was
perfect. Perfect. But anyway, I just want
to encourage you. We want to continue
this conversation. So we. We wanted to
add a Q and A to our.
To this podcast. So if you have
any questions about the Holy Spirit or
this series, leave it in the comments
below and we will be sure to
address them on the next. Next episode.
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How about that? So we appreciate you
being with us and just let us
know how we can continue praying with
you. And until next week, we love
you and hope to see you on
Sunday at church and see you soon.
Foreign.
Pastor Brent McQuay (00:11):
So we're in a series called Beyond
Salvation. Because the whole idea here is
that saying yes to Jesus is a
starting point for the rest of your
life. It's not a finish line. And
I think sometimes in, I guess, in
our. I guess sales pitch, for lack
of a better term, in our. In
our evangelistic message, the messaging comes across
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as, like, it's all about the salvation
moment, and this is the end. And
you want to. You want to go
to heaven, you got to say yes
to Jesus. But it's really. It's beyond
that. Like, it's. There's so much more
that God wants to do in you
and through you. If, if it was
just about saying yes to Jesus so
you can go to heaven, then why
wouldn't he just take you in that
moment? Right? Like, snap his finger, poof,
you're gone. Instead, you still have to
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go home Sunday afternoon after you say
yes to Jesus. Like, there's still life
to be lived. It's now how we're
going to live, that life is going
to be different. And so this whole
series Beyond Salvation is trying to get
us to keep walking after that moment
of saying yes so that we don't
just say yes and then go home
and not live any differently.
Ti’heasha Beasley (01:13):
Yeah, no, that's good. Thank you for
elaborating on that. So I knew you
had something to say, but, you know,
anyway, moving on, I do have some
questions that someone did come to me
after church, and she was just curious.
She said, I went to the altar,
I prayed, and I felt the Holy
Spirit, but I did not speak in
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tongues. So does that mean I didn't,
like, I'm not filled with the Holy
Spirit? I don't know.
Pastor Brent McQuay (01:40):
Yeah. So my. My stance on that
may be different than some others in
our church, but I don't believe that
speaking in tongues is required as proof
of being filled with the Holy Spirit.
Spirit, yes. There's. There are. You know
what, what PJ talked about the normative
process. Like we do see regularly in
(02:01):
the Book of Acts, when somebody is
filled with the Holy Spirit, they did
speak in tongues. But what's really supposed
to be evident of the Holy Spirit
in your life is the fruit of
the Spirit being developed, not the gift
of speaking in tongues. And so can
you be filled with the Holy Spirit
and never speak in tongues in your
entire life? 100%, yes, absolutely. Which is.
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Which is also why, you know, there's
some, like, hyper charismatic, very Pentecostal churches
that would even say that your salvation
is questionable if you don't speak in
tongues. And I think that's just. That's
just foolishness. That's. That's bad teaching. And
I think it's done more damage to
people and their understanding of the. The
gift of the Holy Spirit than anything
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else. But the gift of the Holy
Spirit is different. It's separate from the
gift of speaking in tongues. Right, right.
And so you can have the gift
of the Holy Spirit active in your
life without having speaking in tongues.
Tiffany Hines (02:55):
Yeah, I would agree. I love when
we do these series and there are
always people that ask that question because.
And so even when we were. When
pastor was preaching on Sunday, I remember
being in the back as, like, the
worship team was kind of at the
close of it as he was talking,
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and just like, lord, help people that
when they come up, that they. If
they don't walk away with tongues, that
they don't feel defeated. Because sometimes people,
I mean, one friend or member here,
and I know that you were close
to her as well, all this. I've
been praying for years to, like, have
the gift of tongues and being discouraged
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and like, and I have this faith
and I do all these different things
and feeling like that she didn't have
it when she. When you do have
the gift of the Holy Spirit, and
I understand the desire of tongues. Like,
pastor might have mentioned this about we
should ask for the greater gifts, but
how it could do damage if it's
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not nurtured in the space of what
it is to be filled with the
Holy Spirit. And you can have that
evidence can be through tongues, but it
doesn't mean that it's not in your
life.
Pastor Brent McQuay (04:08):
Yeah. What's interesting about it is I
think we only have this discussion around
speaking in tongues. I was going to
say, like, nobody else is. Like, you
know, if you've never given a prophetic
word, then you're not really filled with
the Holy Spirit.
Ti’heasha Beasley (04:20):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (04:21):
Like, nobody would say that or think,
well, I, man, I say nobody.
Ti’heasha Beasley (04:25):
And then there is someone.
Pastor Brent McQuay (04:26):
There's somebody out there that's like, yeah,
if you're not prophesying every day, you're
not really feeling.
Ti’heasha Beasley (04:29):
You're not healing or casting out demons.
Pastor Brent McQuay (04:32):
Like, if you've never cast out a
demon, does that mean you're not filled
with the Holy Spirit? If you've never
laid hands on the sick and seen
them healed, does that mean you're not
filled with the Holy Spirit? And I.
You would have a really hard time
proving that stance from Scripture.
Ti’heasha Beasley (04:43):
So I was going to say, where
do you think that connection between being
baptized in the Holy Spirit and speaking
in tongues came from. I know we
have the book of acts that talk
about when the Holy Spirit, Spirit fail.
So is that where that connection?
Pastor Brent McQuay (04:57):
Yeah, I think it's because as Pastor
Jerry talked about, like this normative process
that we see in several different places
where somebody was filled with the Holy
Spirit, speaking in tongues accompanied it. And
so that just. That just put in
people like this idea. Well, those two
things should always go hand in hand.
And just because we see something described
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in scripture doesn't always mean that that's
the prescription for how things are supposed
to happen. And so I think that's
just the disconnect.
Tiffany Hines (05:25):
Yeah, I think the word evidence also
trips people up as well. Is that
interpretation of like, well, this means. If
this is evident, then this means that.
And I think that that's the part
also that helps. It helps people to
be confused or share doctrine. That is
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not true about, like, if you just
think about just naturally being a Christian
and being full of the Spirit and
these constant experiences where, like, man, I
feel like God just gave me a
new infilling of, of the Spirit, of
the Holy Spirit. It's like, it's just.
It's not kind of naturally in relationship
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with him, that that would only be
the evidence, you know what I mean,
that you're filled with the Spirit when
there are all these other spaces.
Ti’heasha Beasley (06:15):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (06:15):
So, yeah, I think it's also, it
becomes an easy metric for people. Like,
you're filled with the Holy Spirit, you
spoke in tongues. We know you were
filled with the Holy Spirit, whereas, like,
okay, you're filled with the Holy Spirit.
Now I need to watch your life
for the next five years and see,
like, how this fruit is developed in
you and how you love on people
in a new way and how you're
really being transformed by the power of
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the Holy Spirit at work within you.
So one, I can tell you within
5 seconds yes or no. The other
I gotta watch you for five years
before I can say yes or no.
So it just becomes that easy metric.
And I think we've just over exaggerated
the metric.
Ti’heasha Beasley (06:51):
Do you believe that people can fake
tongues?
Pastor Brent McQuay (06:54):
Sure. Yeah, absolutely. Proof of that is
watch the movie Evan Almighty.
Ti’heasha Beasley (07:01):
Right, Right.
Pastor Brent McQuay (07:03):
Like, Steve Carell has like this whole
gibberish moment and it's like, man, I've
heard some people praying. That sounded just
like Steve Carell.
Tiffany Hines (07:10):
Didn't make that up.
Pastor Brent McQuay (07:11):
Yeah, that was like, that was straight
up. Should have bought a Honda, but
I bought a Kia.
Tiffany Hines (07:17):
You never heard that before?
Ti’heasha Beasley (07:19):
I, I think I remember it's an
old movie, correct?
Tiffany Hines (07:23):
No, just people who. I just said
should have bought a Honda. Like, it's
like.
Pastor Brent McQuay (07:27):
Yeah, that's. That's like how you fake
tongues. Should have. Should have bought a
Honda. Oh, yeah, but I bought a
Kia. But if you say it fast.
Should have bought a Honda. Bought it.
But a Kia.
Ti’heasha Beasley (07:37):
Yikes. Please do not. Do not practice
this phrase. We disclaimer. We do not
promote.
Pastor Brent McQuay (07:45):
Yeah, no, don't practicing. Don't fake it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (07:47):
Don't fake it.
Pastor Brent McQuay (07:48):
Yeah, and that. That's where, like, it.
It becomes tricky. You know, I've. I've
heard people praying in the altar, saying,
you know, just. If it doesn't make.
Just start saying words.
Tiffany Hines (07:57):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (07:57):
Just start saying. And it's like, where
did I get that from?
Ti’heasha Beasley (08:00):
Is that Scripture?
Pastor Brent McQuay (08:01):
No, I think that it's just years.
Yeah. Years of just passing on stuff.
And it's. And it's because it's a
supernatural occurrence. Like, there's no. I've literally
seen people advertise that they're going to
coach people on how to speak in
tongues.
Ti’heasha Beasley (08:15):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (08:16):
Like that right there is just stupidity.
Ti’heasha Beasley (08:17):
Yes.
Pastor Brent McQuay (08:18):
Like, man, it's similar to. There's a
lot of, like, prophetic conferences where people
are going to be taught how to
prophesy.
Ti’heasha Beasley (08:25):
That's great.
Pastor Brent McQuay (08:25):
It's like, okay, we can teach about
prophecy. We can talk about how you
should not behave prophetically and how you
should, but I can't teach you to
do something supernatural, like something that only
the Holy Spirit can cause to happen.
I can't teach you how to do
that. And the moment I try and
teach you how to do that, essentially
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I'm teaching you to fake it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (08:47):
Yeah. Yeah. What do you think about
those who have these spiritual gifts, like
tongues, prophecy, who use it to kind
of, like, extort the church? Like, you
know.
Pastor Brent McQuay (08:59):
Oh, that's sickening. Yeah, yeah.
Ti’heasha Beasley (09:02):
Because you see people who's like, oh,
I have this gift and you don't,
so let me use it to capitalize.
And what?
Pastor Brent McQuay (09:08):
Yeah, yeah. And I think there's kind
of two different things at play there.
Like, one is like, creating hierarchy in
the kingdom, where it's like, well, you're.
You're not as holy because you haven't
done this thing. And, like, what's so
funny to me about that is, if
you read your Bible, is there anything
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in Jesus teaching that would say he
wants his leaders to lord it over
people, to elevate themselves? No. Every single
one of his teachings about leadership is
to be a servant. Think of yourself
as less than the people around you
to serve them, to lift them up,
not yourself. And then we get super
spiritual people that come in and be
like, look at me. Yeah, it's wild.
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Just read your Bible.
Ti’heasha Beasley (09:51):
Read your Bible, please. Because it, It's
a timely message. Because if you scroll
on IG or TikTok or YouTube, like,
I don't have a problem with people
sharing the, the gospel or, or sharing
devotion or the teaching from the Bible.
What I do feel like is just
damaging is when you have these false
prophets and teachers who's like, I'm the
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only one hearing from God. And now
there's like, wars between people who are
prophetic. Like, they're calling each other out.
Pastor Brent McQuay (10:20):
Yeah, that popped up on my. My
TikTok. I was trying to reply to
somebody's comment and like, the for you
page was just.
Tiffany Hines (10:27):
It was.
Pastor Brent McQuay (10:27):
It's a local one. Yeah, I'm not
going to name names, but there's a
local one where there's this prophet that's
beefing with this prophet and they're using
their platforms to talk about the other
one. I'm like, can you all just
stop at Chicago?
Tiffany Hines (10:40):
Yeah, just the caution, even. So one
thing that you mentioned with the prophetic
conferences or classes, would you. Would you
say that not of teaching someone how
to prophesy, you know, how to prophesy,
but let me teach you how to
hear from the Holy Spirit.
Pastor Brent McQuay (10:58):
And that's where, like, I try to
have, like, a nuance there. And so,
like, I'm not opposed to, like, a
school of the prophets kind of thing.
As long as it is. Hey, this
is how you read your Bible for
inspiration. Here's how you spend time with
God and, you know, when God is
speaking. Here's how you make sure that
you're listening. And here's how you, you
know, the radio broadcast, you got to
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tune in and you got to turn
down the noise and everything else you
can hear. Like, that kind of stuff
I'm great with.
Tiffany Hines (11:24):
Okay.
Pastor Brent McQuay (11:24):
It's my, My problem is when people
are like, here's the formula for how
you can get a prophetic word. And
like, there's a church that has actually
taught people how to prophesy. And it's,
it's essentially. It's a parallel to, like,
mediums and other people are like, like,
the. What was that TV show a
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long time ago? The Mentalist, where, like,
he can. He can observe things on
their person and now put together a
whole story of who you are based
on the way you're carrying yourself.
Ti’heasha Beasley (11:53):
That's what I do. No, I'm just
saying.
Pastor Brent McQuay (11:55):
Yeah, it's just you miss it every
time because you're like, oh, Brent's upset.
Right. But it. But they were literally,
like, teaching people how to manipulate. Like,
I mean, that's what it is. Like,
you're. You. You're just being. You're Sherlock
Holmes at that point. You're just being
observant to the things around you. That's
not the Holy Spirit giving you a
word. That's you saying, oh, man, their
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eyes look really, really heavy. I can
sense in the spirit that you haven't
been sleeping well lately. No, you didn't.
You saw bags under their eyes. Like,
stop it. Yeah, stop the foolishness.
Ti’heasha Beasley (12:26):
Yes.
Tiffany Hines (12:28):
So a scenario. So say whether it's
in a group, whether it's a small
group or some type of school of
prophets, whatever, that if a community is
saying this space, it's like, okay, I
want you to kind of gather together.
We're gonna pray and see if, like,
what can the Lord give you to
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say, like, about this person? And so
from that, like, I've experienced both. And
the minimum. If, like, if God doesn't
give you anything specific to say about
them, then go simply to Scripture. Build
them up, exhort them. That is still
a form of prophecy. But. So how
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do you feel about, like, those type
of.
Pastor Brent McQuay (13:12):
Yeah, I would say that may end
up being a gray area for me
in that I can see it being
done right and I can see it
being done poorly. And so that's one
of those where I would probably have
a little bit of caution. That's. That's
basically like, the practice prophecy kind of
thing where it's like, hey, two of
you pray for each other and then
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share a prophetic word, and the other
person's gonna tell you yes or no.
Like, I. I get like, this idea
of, like, practicing the gift that God
has given you. And so there may
be some good stuff in that. I
think there's also that same mentalist, Shake
Shakespeare, Sherlock Holmes kind of thing that
could be happening in those moments. And
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you're just encouraging that more so for
me, it's just like, I would have
to. It would be like a case
by case. Like, I'd have to be
in the room to be like, there's
something off here.
Tiffany Hines (14:01):
Okay.
Ti’heasha Beasley (14:02):
Yeah. So we talked a lot about
red flags of what the Holy Spirit
is not. So what is the Holy
Spirit? Like, what are some signs in
the believer's life that we can tell?
Pastor Brent McQuay (14:16):
So I would just correct the language.
And this is a language problem. That
we all have. But the Holy Spirit
is not a what, He's a who.
Ti’heasha Beasley (14:23):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (14:23):
Right. So Holy Spirit is third member
of the Godhead part of the Trinity.
And so the Holy Spirit is fully
God. And what we see is the
Holy Spirit acts as, like, the manifestation
of the representation, I think is a
better word for manifestation. Gets you into
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all kinds of weird heresies. Language is
important. We gotta be careful. But the
Holy Spirit is God's power at work
within believers. And so, like, when we
talk about prayer, we talk about how
we pray to the Father in the
name of the Son through the power
of the Holy Spirit. Right. And so
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it's the power of God that's at
work in believers. When Paul says in
Ephesians that you're filled to all the
fullness of God or filled with all
the fullness of God, talking about the
Holy Spirit dwelling within us, when he
talks about now because of the work
that is within, at work within you,
the power that is at work within
you, he's talking about the Holy Spirit
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in us. So the Holy Spirit is,
I guess the easiest way to describe
it is God's power at work on
earth.
Ti’heasha Beasley (15:33):
That's good for you. Tiff. When did
you feel like you received the Holy
Spirit in your life? Or when were
you baptized in the Holy Spirit? Do
you remember that experience?
Tiffany Hines (15:47):
I can say clearly I remember when
I like spoken tongues, you know what
I mean? On that side with the
window. I. When can I remember? As
young as being filled with the Holy
Spirit is probably a little hard for
me to specifically identify because I actively
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gave my life to Christ at, like,
seventh grade. So I was all in
praying, hearing from, like, that kind of
thing of. In, like, asking for the
Holy Spirit. But what I can say
of a event is probably like experiencing
the gift of tongues.
Ti’heasha Beasley (16:28):
Okay.
Tiffany Hines (16:29):
And receiving that evidence, the evidence of
it. But I didn't think before that
that I didn't have the. Have the
Holy Spirit when we become.
Ti’heasha Beasley (16:39):
Believers, isn't that just something we're given?
Pastor Brent McQuay (16:42):
Yeah, yeah, that would be. Sorry, I'm
pulling up a Bible verse. There's something
in the back of my head. I'm
trying to remember where it's for or
how it's phrased. But yeah. So our
understanding would be the Holy Spirit is
active in your life, at salvation.
Ti’heasha Beasley (16:54):
Right.
Pastor Brent McQuay (16:54):
Like, because it's through the power of
the Holy Spirit that we actually can
actually walk in relationship with Christ. So.
Yeah. But what we do see in
several places in the Book of Acts
is a refilling.
Tiffany Hines (17:08):
Yeah.
Ti’heasha Beasley (17:08):
Okay.
Pastor Brent McQuay (17:09):
And what's funny about that? Like, I
just recently heard a preacher talk about,
like, you know, why the, the, the
apostles, the disciples were filled with the
Holy Spirit So many times, like, Jesus
talks about the Holy Spirit being on
them before the day of Pentecost. Like,
the Holy Spirit who's with you is
then going to be within you. Right.
So there's a difference in, in that.
But then like the, the apostles are,
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are filled with the Holy spirit in
Acts 2. And then a couple chapters
later we see them filled again. And
then another one was like Peter being
filled with the Holy Spirit began to
speak. Like, so like there's a filling
that happens regularly. And so I heard
this preacher say, well, the. That people
leak.
Ti’heasha Beasley (17:46):
That's good.
Pastor Brent McQuay (17:47):
And it's like, because the flesh is
like, at war with the Spirit. And
if, if we don't have this constant
refilling or infilling of the Holy Spirit,
then we, we leak and we act
more like us and less like the
Spirit. Yeah. I was like, all right,
we leak. We leak down a little.
Tiffany Hines (18:03):
We leak. If I was to identify,
even say, before experiencing the, the gift
of tongues, I could see attributes of.
When I made it my own because
I grew up in church since I
was three, but made it my own
in seventh, eighth grade was I could
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see the empowerment to be different. And
so different things I did not desire
to do, but I also desired to
share. And so like, even like when
he's talking about like in Acts and
these different experiences where the Holy Spirit,
like, gave them another feeling. And, and
Carlton mentioned this in the trans worship
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transition on Sunday. And I like, came
up to him. I'm so glad you
explained that because when we sing songs
of like, Holy Spirit fall and those
different things, you don't. Not everyone in
the room understands that, but every time
that happens, it was for them to
go and do something. So that kind
of thing of I can. I could
see if I was to look back
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of like, that constant relationship with the
Lord, it empowered me to go tell
people about him. Or like, this is
why I don't, you know, do this,
you know, that kind of thing. And
then I think maybe 13 or something
like that, or that's good. When I
like, got the gift of tongues.
Ti’heasha Beasley (19:24):
Love it. Yeah. That is.
Pastor Brent McQuay (19:27):
Sorry, I just. I finally found the
verse I was looking for. So it's
in John 20, verse 22. Jesus says
when he had said this to them,
so he's just giving them some instructions.
He says when he had said this,
he breathed on them and said to
Them receive the Holy Spirit. So that's
John 20.
Tiffany Hines (19:41):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (19:42):
At the. At the end of John,
he tells them to go and wait
for the Holy Spirit. But in John
20, he breathes the Holy Spirit on
them. Right. And this is after his.
His resurrection. So I. I think that
at the moment of salvation, we receive
the Holy Spirit.
Ti’heasha Beasley (19:56):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (19:56):
But then there's a baptism of the
Holy Spirit that's separate from that, which
is act of surrender, I think is
the best way to put it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (20:04):
I was gonna say, you know. You
know, you're gonna have to break that
down.
Pastor Brent McQuay (20:08):
I mean. Yeah. I mean, we could
spend. I know probably a lot of
time talking about what the distinction of
that is. And I think it's, you
know, when we talk about these big,
monumental moments, I think that's baptism of
Holy Spirit. That's. That's where this power
comes upon you in a greater way
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than just a random Tuesday. Like, on
a random Tuesday, you got the Holy
Spirit. The Holy Spirit can even be
working and doing things through you. But
then there's also these significant moments that.
That come. So the day of Pentecost
was that significant moment. Outpouring of the
Holy Spirit, Wind and fire and all
this stuff happening. 3,000 people get saved.
Like, that's a. That's a big moment.
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That's bigger than a random Tuesday when.
Ti’heasha Beasley (20:53):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (20:53):
When Peter's like, you know, pick up
your mat and walk, be healed. That's
still power of the Holy Spirit. It
looks a little different.
Ti’heasha Beasley (21:01):
So I like how Pastor Jerry was
like, people can make being filled with
the Holy Spirit look weird. Why do
you think, you know, that is such
a weird space for the Christian community?
And how could we encourage newer believers
who they didn't grow up like church?
How can we encourage them not to
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be afraid of being baptized in the
Holy Spirit and whatever that brings? I
don't know.
Pastor Brent McQuay (21:28):
Yeah, that's. That's a man. I don't
want to be offensive with the answer,
but, like, the reality is there's some
people that are just weird.
Ti’heasha Beasley (21:35):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (21:36):
And they're weird with the Holy Spirit,
and they're weird without the Holy Spirit.
They're just weird. Right. And. And I
will say that Christianity does attract probably
more weird people than some other things.
I'm trying not to be offensive, and
I know that I'm being very offensive.
Ti’heasha Beasley (21:56):
Really light compared to what you said
in the past.
Pastor Brent McQuay (22:00):
It's just the reality of. And maybe
even the Pentecostal and the charismatic movement
that has attracted that to a greater
degree. Right. And I think that's that's
what gives some of the, like, the
orthodox and other people this. Look at
charismatics, like a bunch of weirdos.
Ti’heasha Beasley (22:18):
Yeah, that's true.
Pastor Brent McQuay (22:19):
Swinging from the chandeliers and running laps
around the building and stuff. And so
that's why I always love. I think
it's Ruslan that always talks about, you
know, charismatic with a seat belt.
Ti’heasha Beasley (22:28):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (22:28):
Or I might have stolen that from
a different YouTuber, but I love that.
That approach, that man. We. We. If
you read the Bible, you are. If
you read the Bible with no other
influence, you're going to be charismatic, because
the Bible just so clearly just states
these things like miracles and prophecy and
speaking in tongues and all these things.
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This is just. This is how the
Bible describes the life of a believer.
So if you have no context, if
you have no influence from people saying,
well, that's weird stuff, or you haven't
seen somebody doing something inappropriate or wrong,
then you just walk away from the
Bible going, I'm charismatic. Like, I believe
God's moving the same way. And so
the problem, though, is when people start
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getting weird with it. And so that's
for us, you know, that's why I
say the seatbelt. Right. That's God's word.
And so when you start doing things
outside of God's word, and that's what
I struggle with a lot, is when
I have charismatic brothers and sisters that
start doing things that are like, you
didn't get that from God's word. You
got that from the spirit. But how
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do I know you got that from
the spirit, and you didn't just get
that from the fact that you're weird?
Ti’heasha Beasley (23:36):
Yes. Yes.
Pastor Brent McQuay (23:38):
And so that's like, that. That's the
struggle. And that's why, you know, if
you listen to me for very long,
you're going to know, like, everything has
to go back to scripture because that's
the place where it's not open to
my feelings. And stuff with the Spirit
can be open to people's feelings. And
that's why we get, when we did
the asking for a friend, so many
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questions about, how do I know if
it's a spirit or if it's just
me? Well, because a lot of times
it is just you. And that's why,
you know, first thing we do is
we take it to Scripture. Does it
match? Does it line up? Are we
doing something that scripture tells us not
to do? And so I think that's
where the seat belts have to come
in play. So do we find in
scripture people running laps around the building
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because they're excited.
Ti’heasha Beasley (24:22):
His clothes off?
Pastor Brent McQuay (24:23):
He danced. Did he run around the
building? We don't see that happening. Like,
that's just a weird thing, right?
Tiffany Hines (24:31):
And then some things that cultural of
like.
Ti’heasha Beasley (24:34):
Absolutely, yeah.
Tiffany Hines (24:35):
And dancing.
Pastor Brent McQuay (24:36):
I know, I know somebody that received
healing running a lap around the building.
So, like, I'm not trying to, like,
knock it. It's just when you walk
into a room and you see a
bunch of people yelling and screaming and
running around, I'm leaving, like, on site.
I'm just like, I'm out. Like, I'm
out.
Ti’heasha Beasley (24:55):
Man, that's tough. Yeah.
Tiffany Hines (24:57):
And I, I, I love the gifts
of the spirit. And I think that
even growing up in a space where
like, no, we're, we're going to pray
and if we're together in a gathering
and it's going to be loud and
it's going to be fearless, I think
also with that, it's just these different
measures. And I love how you said,
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like, if you look at the Bible
based off, if that's your base, because
then you can see that naturally, if
you follow these things and believe in
them, then you are charismatic within that.
But you have different cultures, you have
different personalities, and that's okay. I think
sometimes it could be misinterpreted of what
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it needs to look like, of what
the term radical needs to look like.
And so if you don't do it
this way, then you're not radical enough.
Or like, the Bible, you know, has
like, at times, like, people or prophets
doing some weird things, which is so
true that you can find that in
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Scripture. And I've, I've experienced where God's
like, say this or do this. I'm
like, lord, you're gonna embarrass me out
here if it doesn't work out, those
kind of things.
Pastor Brent McQuay (26:11):
There's an Old Testament prophet that had
to lay naked or walk around naked
for, for like a period of time.
There's another prophet that had to lay
on a mat on one side for
like a year or three. I'm always
mixing up the stories. But yeah, I
mean, like, there's absolutely. God has caused
some people to do.
Tiffany Hines (26:29):
Some weird things, but it's an obedience
thing. And not that that didn't make
him radical, you know what I'm saying?
Like, that, that doesn't make some. So
when it comes to a space of
like, I remember and I grew up
and I still am, I believe in
prophecy, the apostolic, prophetic, those, those things.
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And I sang at a conference and
if I, if I was in a
Different space. And I had not been
around, say different people, then it probably
would have been more normal to me.
Or I'd been just fine. But then
I went to college and then you
get around all these different denominations, some
incredibly conservative and having to introduce the
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Holy Spirit in a way that they
just don't know. But just this reality
of education, of people have to be
walked on. And what they do doesn't
mean it's wrong. And so singing at
the conference, this con, it's very charismatic,
powerful. These times of prayer, like before
a session would begin, people are walking
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around, there's, you know, speaking in tongues,
they're praying very intensely. These serious faces.
Air swords, you know what I'm saying?
Well, you're, you know, hot. Shut up.
You know.
Pastor Brent McQuay (27:50):
But now the air sword thing.
Tiffany Hines (27:51):
Yeah. That a shofar is the actual
instrument.
Ti’heasha Beasley (27:54):
Right. They just had air swords.
Tiffany Hines (27:55):
Yeah. You're like, you know, though in
the.
Pastor Brent McQuay (27:57):
Spirit, they're attacking the.
Tiffany Hines (27:59):
So in a space where okay, everyone
may be used to that. I kept
just thinking about there is so much
potential when you have faith in a
room for these audio in tech people
to experience and hear the gospel. But
they are probably in here. Like these
people, they're just cracking up.
Pastor Brent McQuay (28:19):
At the air sword. Like you're weird,
like imaginary sword fight.
Tiffany Hines (28:22):
You're not thinking about sharing the gospel
because. And, and so that type of
thing that. It actually frustrated me because
that was three days of opportunity and
you could do a one on one.
But we're in a conference room for
hours. And finally actually a friend that
I grew up with, he's a pastor
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and teacher and he taught on being
a father, I mean being in the
sonship. And I came to him, I'm
like, thank you for preaching like the
gospel. There are people in this room,
even though this is a room of
believers being sensitive that you have an
opportunity to share with someone that they
can give their life to the Lord
and not just see people slaying in
(29:03):
the spirit with like invisible swords. So
just, just those kind of things of
like. But you could say that's radical.
Ti’heasha Beasley (29:11):
Yeah.
Tiffany Hines (29:12):
And sometimes people think that that's radical
because that's a faith thing. Or like
it's just these different things of like
be obedient to God, but just don't.
This comparison thing of what radical looks
like is sometimes how it should feel.
What God told you to do yesterday
and going to this place may not
be what he's saying today and be
(29:32):
okay. That both are radical faith.
Ti’heasha Beasley (29:35):
Yeah. You know, I can speak to
that a Little bit, because I come
from that background.
Tiffany Hines (29:40):
Okay.
Ti’heasha Beasley (29:41):
And I'm sorry.
Pastor Brent McQuay (29:43):
Fighting.
Ti’heasha Beasley (29:43):
I was sore fighting, and I might
do it in my bedroom, but I'm
not going to do it.
Tiffany Hines (29:48):
And that's okay, is it? But you're
not trying to get your wallpapers saved,
you know, like.
Ti’heasha Beasley (29:54):
Right. That was good balance.
Tiffany Hines (29:59):
And I.
Ti’heasha Beasley (30:00):
And it's so many, like, people who
be pretending, and then there's people who
really is, like, they have godly anger
and they're like, when they pray, they're
praying from that place. So for me,
I'm learning in this season how to
balance the two, because I grew up
where it's like, absolutely, you ain't do
nothing if you didn't raise your voice
(30:22):
and fight things in the spirit. Like,
you did absolutely nothing. Your teaching was
whack because you didn't get cued in
by the Oregon player or you didn't
get emotional. And so I used to
tell David all the time, like, I
can't teach. Like, I'm not doing no
devotionals at D.C. i ain't talking. I
ain't doing nothing because I am too
(30:43):
crazy for people. And he was like,
no. Like. And so he was like,
that's not true. You know, just pray.
And I was talking. I talked to
Pastor Soul about it. And so I
was just really happy when I did
my devotional and I didn't get crazy.
Pastor Brent McQuay (30:58):
I love it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (30:59):
There could be a balance where you
can share from a place of encouragement
and share the gospel. And it can
be just as powerful as, like, getting
loud and, you know, yeah, absolutely.
Pastor Brent McQuay (31:15):
I'm. I'm with you. And. And I
think that's the approach of our church.
Like, yes, we are charismatic, but we
also. We approach things with balance. And
it's going to be Bible based. Yeah.
I think. I don't want to discourage
or downplay the work of the Holy
Spirit or even leave room for, hey,
(31:35):
look, sometimes Holy Spirit does tell you
to do something weird, and I think
that's good. I think that there's just.
Man, when you are just reckless with
it, I don't think that's appropriate or
that's good. And when you have a
mindset that God can't move, or my
prayers aren't effective unless I am sweating
and screaming and jumping around and swinging
(31:57):
a fake sword through the air, like,
then you're saying that it's based on
your power, not his. And Jesus just
spoke to the storm to stop. He
didn't jump up and down and yell
and scream and holler. He just said,
Peace be still. Right? When he cast
out demons, there was no wrestling match
(32:19):
between Jesus and the demon possessed. Yeah,
Jesus just said, get out. Like, there's
like. So to think that I have
to put on a show in order
for God to move. Now all of
a sudden, it's about what I do,
not about what he does.
Ti’heasha Beasley (32:34):
You better preach. That was good. That
was good. Sorry. That was really good.
I think that's a good, balanced way
of thinking about the Holy Spirit, man.
And it just made me think of
that bracelet, like, www like, what would
Jesus do? Like, man, if we keep
that bracelet on and remember in those
(32:54):
moments, or we have an opportunity to
pray or witness or whatever? Like, yes,
we want the Holy Spirit to come
and do what he do, but we
also. Like, how would Jesus approach the
situation?
Tiffany Hines (33:06):
Like, yeah, because it's not from a
place of restriction. And that's why I
think the beauty of different environments and
say, different cultures, because I think if
Jesus was to come and do, like,
a revival in Africa, it really doesn't
matter what country is going to be
turned up, because that's naturally, like. Like
(33:29):
Catholic, Protestant, whatever. Like, everybody's dancing, you
know, like, it's just a natural sake
culture there. And maybe someone else, it
may not be, say as much, but
he's still teaching you, you know, if
that may. I don't want to keep,
like, beating into it, but, like, it's
not about, say, being restrictive even in
(33:51):
your personality, but also, like, what is
it, Lord? How you want me to
even, like, deliver this in this moment?
Because it could be. It could look
very different here than when you're talking
to a women's ministry, you know what
I mean? Or some going to a
prison. Like, there's a different way that
I see how that's true. People take
(34:11):
their approach. And even giving the gospel
in prison to guys like, don't come
all light and like, someone, like, give
it to me for real. And there's
that place for that. And so it's
not to restrict, but to empower you
to be, I guess, obedient.
Ti’heasha Beasley (34:32):
Yeah, that's good stuff. Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (34:34):
Yeah, we're gonna talk about that on.
On Sunday. But yeah, it really comes
down to obedience.
Ti’heasha Beasley (34:38):
Yeah, yeah, that's good. I think this
was a really good, balanced conversation. If
you. As we begin to land this
plane, what are some takeaways from this
message that we can just use to
encourage those who are watching, who has.
Have not encountered the whole, well, the
baptism of the Holy Spirit, Spirit, who's
(34:59):
maybe afraid to encounter it, who really
wants the gift of tongues, but it
hasn't happened. Like, what are some takeaways
or some encouragement we can give? We
can start here.
Tiffany Hines (35:08):
Yeah. I think that even in all
the things we talked about just now
and we shared about the cautions and
things like that, and maybe some people
may still be tussling, is that I
hope that you walk away knowing that
from beginning to end that the Lord's
love for you is the same. And
so being empowered of whether you walked
(35:32):
away from Sunday speaking the gift of
tongues, that God does not love you
less or anything like that, but that
you are experiencing one, the love of
God. And that if you are pursuing
the Lord, just be encouraged that, like,
he's doing spiritual work inside of you.
Holy Spirit, you know, is moving. So
(35:53):
be encouraged in that. That, like, someone
that walked away that said this experience
did not experience the love of God
more than what you experience in your
time at the altar, praying, or any
of those kind of things, but just
know that his love is. Is the
same. There is no hierarchy here. And
(36:15):
if you experience that, just know that
that's not the Lord and that's not
how he. How he gets down with.
With his children, but the love is
still the same.
Ti’heasha Beasley (36:26):
That's good. Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (36:28):
Yeah. I think that we need to
have an approach with God where, yes,
we can desire the gifts. We're instructed
to desire the gifts, but I think
the heart behind it, the why, is
what needs to be expressed. And that
is, if you desire this gift for
yourself, that's a problem. Because the gifts
(36:49):
of the Spirit are not for selfish
reasons. Like, there's a purpose to the
power of the Holy Spirit. And we're
gonna talk about that on Sunday. But
when we start going, man, it would
be really cool if I could speak
in tongues, or, man, if I could
speak in tongues, then, you know, I'd
be better than, like, that's not what
it's about. And so I think the
better prayer to pray is, God, I
(37:10):
want whatever gifts you want me to
have. God, I want you to have
whatever gifts of the Holy Spirit that
I need in my life so that
I can be a better witness to
you. And so I think that we
just need to kind of have that
caution. And then I had a conviction.
I don't know if we might have
talked about this on the podcast, because
I had this conviction a few weeks
back, and I think it was in
one of our noon prayer meetings where
(37:31):
I was praying in tongues, and it
really felt like the Holy Spirit was
like, you're lazy and it was one
of those where it was. I was
lazy in my prayers because I didn't
have to think about what to pray
about, that I could just pray in
the Spirit and just let him take
over. And literally, like, it was like,
stop.
Tiffany Hines (37:50):
Yeah.
Pastor Brent McQuay (37:51):
Like, don't do that. Like, talk to
me. Use your mind. Think about it.
Pray in English. And like, so I
like. And I still pray in tongues.
Not nearly as much, though, because it's
one of those where I don't want
that just be the. The easy mode
or the. I can flip the switch
and I don't have to be really
engaged in this process. I can just
(38:12):
let the spirit take over. And so,
yeah, that's.
Ti’heasha Beasley (38:18):
This is such a good episode. Good
conversation always. Because I can attest to
that. Yeah, no, I can attest to
that. God, wake me up in the
morning. Okay, thank you.
Tiffany Hines (38:31):
You got it.
Ti’heasha Beasley (38:32):
It's like, no, I need you to
pray for these specific things. So that's
really good. I think for me, the
only thing that keeps standing out to
me is just when you become a
believer, just know that the Holy Spirit
is with you from that point, and
he will lead you and he will
guide you. And those special moments when
you do feel his presence, and it
(38:53):
feels like, I don't know what this
is, just lean into it and let
him just love on you. Because a
lot of times, the Holy Spirit will
allow those moments to. To deepen our
relationships with Him. And so I would
say, you know, don't. Don't chase it.
Because I think works sometimes can come
into play. Like, as believers, we want
(39:14):
to have certain signs and evidence to.
To show that we are believers. But
it's like you mentioned it. Let your
fruits be that evidence. Like how you
love people, how you. How you are
patient, how you are kind, how you
endure. Like, those are things that we
can look and say, man, this person.
(39:36):
Yeah, I'm walking in the Spirit, or
this person is walking with Jesus. So
that would be my encouragement.
Pastor Brent McQuay (39:41):
Good. That's good. Taish. That'll preach.
Ti’heasha Beasley (39:44):
Praise God. I've been with the Spirit.
Holy Spirit activated.
Pastor Brent McQuay (39:49):
You just had to squeeze that.
Tiffany Hines (39:51):
I'm sorry. I had to get thunder.
Ti’heasha Beasley (39:52):
No, no, that was good. It was
perfect. Perfect. But anyway, I just want
to encourage you. We want to continue
this conversation. So we. We wanted to
add a Q and A to our.
To this podcast. So if you have
any questions about the Holy Spirit or
this series, leave it in the comments
below and we will be sure to
address them on the next. Next episode.
(40:13):
How about that? So we appreciate you
being with us and just let us
know how we can continue praying with
you. And until next week, we love
you and hope to see you on
Sunday at church and see you soon.
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