Purpose, Identity & Redemption: Lessons from The Beautiful Game

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Ti’heasha Beasley (00:00):
Foreign.

Pastor Brent McQuay (00:10):
Welcome to another episode of Between Sermons.
I'm your host, Brent McQuay. I get
to be the lead pastor here at
Disciples Church. And this podcast is really
just an opportunity for us to take
our Sunday sermons and kind of expand
on them a little bit, dig a
little bit deeper and turn the monologue
into some dialogue.

And.

And so we're going to have a
great conversation today. As always, I am
joined by the co host extraordinaire, New
Word.

New Word.

I'm trying some new things out. Is
it working?

It's where it works. It works. Extraordinaire.
I'm here for it on a Monday.
It gives me an extra boost since
I'm not having coffee. I need all
of everything.

Is that a product placement moment?

Go ahead, hype it up.

So, my lovely, we were just talking
about how much this, this, this coffee
cup is actually pretty sweet because the
cork, so it's like, doesn't scratch things
and stuff. But I brought it up
here today because it is a gift
from ONU plus, which is a new
partnership. So they're sponsoring this podcast.

David Beasley (01:09):
Right.

I was like, this is good.

Which is actually not true at all.

Right.

We have no sponsors, but. No, I
wanted to be able to like, tell
everybody that watches about ONU plus for
just a quick moment. We are partnering
with Olivet Nazarene University, a local Christian
university here in the south suburb of
Chicago.

Yeah.

And what's really cool about it is
ONU plus is essentially, it's like a
remote learning opportunity, but you get the
same degree, same piece of paper after
you graduate. The listing of degrees that
you can get, the courses you can
take is pretty robust. Some great things,
even, you know, early childhood development type

(01:49):
stuff, but also finance stuff. It a
bunch of like, if you're looking for
computer engineering or IT type stuff, there's
a lot of options for you there.
But here's what makes it so special.
So you get to do your classes
online, but you're a part of a
community here at Disciples Church where you
get like a daily activities, you get
divos together, there's chapels that you get

(02:12):
to experience together, all within this kind
of community at Disciples Church. And then
you get. I forget what they call
it, but it's, it's basically like community
service hours.

Okay.

They get credit for serving within the
church as well. And so all of
that is a really cool package. But
what makes it so special is that
you're only paying $10,000 a year for
the same degree that if I remember
right, if you go to Onu it's
either 50,000 or 60,000. I can't remember.
It's somewhere in that ballpark per year.

(02:42):
And so that's a. That's a pretty
hefty discount.

I wish they had this program. I
know when I was.

You went for two years.

I went for two years. And you
know, I left because it.

Was, it was expensive because getting a
good education.

Yeah.

So I think it's just cool that
we're able to offer our people in
our community this, this opportunity. So if
you are looking for a degree, so
this is post high school, but really
beyond that, like, I mean, I think
when we first advertise it, the youngest
person talking to him was about 19
and the oldest person talking to him
was about 70.

Look at that.

It's like, so this really does work
for wherever you are in life. And
so. But we're talking about. Because August
1st is the registration deadline if you're
going to be taking fall classes. So
if you're interested in it. I probably
should have thought this through more.

Why?

Because who do they email or what
are they? Is it just Sean at.

So, yeah, if you go to our
Handy Dandy website, there it is.

That's why Taishi gets paid the big
bucks.

Dc1/on YouTube, you can get all of
the information you need about signing up
for this program. We do have a
very well built out page with Sean's
contact information. If you have questions and
answers, there are some questions and answers
on the page and also you can
just email him if you have additional
questions.

Beautiful. Yeah, but that deadline is coming
up because we're at the time of
this recording. It is the 21st of
July.

So let's, let's spread and if it's
not for you, think of someone, you
know, who might need this opportunity. So
I think that's really good. Good. Good
job. Pastor Brad. Look at you.

Thank you. Owen, you.

We need to talk about some sponsorships.
You do really well with that product
placement.

I was actually talking to somebody recently
that they're like, man, you know, the
movie people, they should actually pay you
for this series. How many people are
gonna go watch the Beautiful Game today
that like, would have never watched it?
Like, my guess is a lot of
people would just scrolling through Netflix. Beautiful
game. Meh.

Yes.

Keep moving. But then on Sunday they're
like, I should go watch that movie,
right?

I mean, David and I, we can
introduce our guest. Hi, welcome.

Hi, America.

He's been chilling. He's like, where do
I get in in this conversation?

I'm Just cooling.

Listen, you were doing a whole sponsorship
at Conversation off the C. Branding.

I mean, the way you were. Hey,
you explaining the. The college. I was.
I was mesmerized by.

Yes. So good, right?

There were no notes or anything.

Great communicator right off the top. I
need to. I'm studying. That's why I'm
glad I row.

I don't know what you guys are
trying to suck up for. You know,
that doesn't work on me. Like, your
budget stays the same.

Stays the same. No, I don't suck
up. Okay? I'm telling the truth, but.
Welcome, hubby. Is it appropriate to say
hubby?

I think so. We're married.

I have my husband on the show
today. David B.

How are we? How are we?

You're not new to between servants, so
no, you can make yourself at home.

No, I love it. I love. I
love being invited to the table, adding
my own perspective and things like that.
I'm excited for the day because the
message yesterday was very impactful.

Go ahead and hype them up.

I mean, I'm not. It was impactful.
It was impactful. I mean, it was.
It was. I mean, I'll let Brent
or yourself introduce what the exact topic
is, but we talked about second chances,
redemption. We talked about the beauty of
just having another opportunity to do what
God has called you to do, and
I loved it. So I'm excited. I'm

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excited.

No, that's good. I think this is
a good time to segue into what
we. The conversation is about, actually. So
we are in still our series at
the Movies, and it's been really good
this year. I'm not even gonna lie.

Isn't it always, though?

No. I mean, can I be honest?

You're one of those.

I'm not at the movie. I don't
really care about the movies. Kind of
on a fence, but you guys won
me over this year. I'm sold. I
don't know if it's because, you know,
our new mission at Disciples Church has
been, like, incorporated into Game and make
Disciples, and I don't know, it's just
been really good. And I. I do
think everyone has done a great job

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at communicating, like, the deeper message behind
each movie. And so yesterday we had
an opportunity to do. I always want
to say beautiful Mind, but it's Beautiful
Game. The Beautiful Game, which is a
movie out. It's on Netflix, Right? We
watched it on Netflix.

It's on Netflix. Flicks.

Yes. And I think you did a
fantastic job because we got to talk
about this movie because the main character,
he is not my best friend. He
is not a friend. I want to
have it all.

Yeah. The redemption for the main character
happens like an hour and 45 minutes
into.

The two hour movie.

You get an hour and 45 minutes
of this guy's a jerk is just.

Not somebody I want to know. But
I think you did a good job
talking about the main topics in the
movie, which was shame, which was being
in your mind and kind of holding
yourself back and having a second chance.
So let's, let's give a little quick
summary of the movie. I mean, I
did a little bit, but yeah.

Yeah. So movie was. It was my
favorite of this year's movies. Now we.
We picked movies this year that probably
most people haven't seen. Like, I asked
in both services, like, how many of
you see this movie? And it was
like three people. And I think two
of them saw it because there was
a poster in the church. They're like,
all right, I guess you should watch
that one. Yeah, Yeah. I don't know
that anybod, like just chose to watch

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this movie, but honestly, of the, of
the four that we did, this one
was my family's favorite. Part of that
is my son is obsessed with soccer.

Yes.

And so you're watching a soccer movie.
We watched it as a family. My
wife loved it, I loved it. Bennett
loved it. You guys just thought it
was okay. It was decent. So it
wasn't your jam. But for me, like
the, the humor between Aldar and the
nun, man, I just, I laughed a
lot. I think it had a positive
message. You know, the characters were just.

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They were good. Good people. Yes. Flawed
people.

Yeah.

But good people going through a lot.
And so, yeah, actually when I, when
I first went through the movie, what
I typically do is I'll make like
little edits, pull out things that could
be like, man, the Bible actually ties
into this somewhere. And I think I
had like 17 clips out of the
movie, which is a lot. Yeah, we
usually do. And so we. The. The

(08:57):
hardest thing I had to do was
narrowing that down. So there's a, There's
a lot of themes in the movie
that really tie into the Bible to
the point where I'm like, I'm watching.
I'm going, man, there must have been
a Christian somewhere around.

Right.

In the writing of this movie, because
there's just too many on point themes.
Yeah, it was good.

Yeah, no, it was good. So I
loved. You know, we have an amazing
Bible. Well, not Bible app, a church
app, our DC app. And so in
there, you can follow along with the
notes. And I do love how each
clip had very impactful, like, points to
them. So I would say if you
don't have that DC app, get it,

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because it's really good. I don't know.
The sermon notes were really good to
follow along.

I guess we should always say with
this series. So we don't put it
up on Facebook or YouTube because of
how the automated copyright systems work. What
we do is it's categorized under fair
use, and so it's totally legal to
do. It's just the automated systems are
gonna flag it immediately. And so just
instead of having to fight through everything,

(10:04):
we just house it on our website.

Yeah.

So but if you missed the service,
it is available at DC1.

Yes. Yes.

So not on Facebook, not on YouTube.

But it is.

You can still watch this message.

Just.

You have to go direct to the
website.

Yeah. And we'll put it in the
comments.

But yeah, I guess I didn't really
tell what the movie. So the movie
is not a true story. I had
a few people that were confused by
that, but not a true story. But
it is a true. Okay, so like,
we had to look it up afterwards
because we're like, this is weird. Like,
I've never. My son is obsessed with
soccer, and I've never heard of the
Homeless World cup before. But it is
a very real thing. I think they're.
It's their 20th anniversary or 21st anniversary

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this August, where they basically they. They
bring together players from different countries to
play a street soccer tournament. So it's
four on four. It's a very condensed
form of soccer. But the. The only.
The only two rules are you can
only play on a team if you're
homeless and you can only play one
time. Like, you can only play one

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year. And so that's. That's how they
get to be able to help different
people every year. Because as a result
of playing in the tournament, you're just.
You are exposed to a lot of
benefits. And so through the organization, they
do housing things, they do finance things,
they do vocational training. Like, they. They

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do a lot in the realm of
resources for the homeless communities in about
70 different nations. And so it's actually
really cool what they've pulled together.

I think you found the source for
it being like Christian Tide, because a
Christian had to have founded that organization.

Maybe. I don't know. I didn't. I
didn't dig deep enough into now. I
want to know founders. But yeah, it
is a very Christian mindset.

It is.

And whether or not they are Christian,
I don't know. But I do know
a lot of Christian organizations all over
the world use athletics. Use sports, especially
soccer, because it is the world sport.
Will use soccer as a way of
evangelizing and care. And so we've actually
partnered with a few different organizations on
missions where we put on, like, a
soccer camp for kids because it draws

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them in. And then there's a daily
devotional and a Bible moment in the
training. And then, like, we'll do, like,
a altar call kind of salvation moment
at the end, too. So you can
absolutely use soccer, football to preach the
gospel.

And that's really cool. I'm not even
gonna talk about why they call it
football when it's. Okay. That's a whole
nother conversation.

I think it's more of a question
of why do we call it soccer
when the rest of the world calls
it football?

That's true. We gotta be different at
all times.

You know, our American bias.

You know, it's good that you brought
up the fact that it does a
lot of good for the individuals involved,
because originally I was like, man, they're
making money off homeless folks.

I know.

That was just my mindset. I was
like, that's crazy. Yeah.

It's exploiting them, but it's really not,
like.

So there are a lot of benefits.

Yeah. And any of the money that
they're. I mean, they're. They're a nonprofit
organization, so, like, any of the money
that they're making is actually being used
to support.

That's good.

Yeah, dope. So, Mr. Beasley, what was
something that stood out to you from
the sermon yesterday was something that you
was like, man, this really stood out
to me. It was impactful.

I mean, the aspect of having a
second chance just in and of itself.
Me and you hosted online yesterday for
the church, for service yesterday. And I
was joking, but I was serious. I
said, thank God for second chance. I
said, in my case, 4, 5, 6,
7th. I mean, infinity and beyond. I
mean, I just needed a lot of
chances. And realizing, like, seeing that played

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out in the movie, recognized it, caused
me to realize, okay, God is a
God who doesn't just throw away anybody,
regardless of their mistakes, their faults, or
their failures, or the fact that they
may see themselves in a certain light
if God sees you a certain way.
And I kind of saw that from
the character. Who was he? The recruiter?
Was he a coach? Right.

I really liked that.

Both recruiter and a coach.

So he's like the team. So, like,
The South Africa team had the nun
and a coach, like two different people.

Okay.

The England team, it was one guy.
So he's the recruiter, the coach.

Yeah. And I saw that he was
multifaceted in his character and how he
would recruit, how he would coach, how
he would uplift, how he would encourage,
how he would challenge. And he wouldn't
just recruit you and coddle you. He
will recruit you. He would empower you,
but he will also challenge you and,
to use a biblical term, rebuke you.
Oh, yeah, because. What's his name? Vinnie.

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That was the lead character. Vinny. His
character. I was Vinny on the character.
Yeah. If you saw the. That's another
story.

In the video we did. I don't
remember what we did.

I'm David people. Nah. But in the
movie, Vinny, though, he was recruited by
the same gentleman who uplifted him and
empowered him. He also got rebuked to
a certain extent by the way he
would talk to his teammates and say,
oh, you guys aren't dedicated, you guys.
And even though he gave him opportunity
to flourish, he didn't take it easy
on him. He challenged them and encouraged

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him to be like, okay, listen, I
see something in you that you may
not see in yourself, but at the
same time, I want to encourage you
to see that in others as well.
Because even though he saw himself as.
He didn't see himself as what he
used to be, he still thought of
himself too highly than he ought to.

Yeah.

He knew he was good. He. He
felt a lack of value because he
realized he wasn't good enough to. To
stay in the. To. To, you know,
pursue his. His career as a football
player, as a soccer player, but at
the same time, he looked down on
others around him.

Yep. Yeah. The whole mentality was, I'm
not good enough, but I'm better than
you.

I'm better than you. Yeah. And the
coach had to give him some balance.

What kind of standard is that?

Yeah, it's a broken individual needing some.
Yeah, yeah. Because there was a. There
was a clip that I ended up
not using in the movie that I
really wanted to, but there's this great
conversation between Nathan and, like, the whole
team. Like, they're talking about how you've
never said anything nice to us, Vinnie.
And then he finally says, you know,
you're not that bad. Like, they're riffing

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off of that. And then somebody was
like, you know, why do you. Why
do you do that? Why do you
always put people down? And Nathan is
basically just looks at him he says,
well, it's because you're afraid. And it
just comes out, like, so quickly, so
naturally. And everybody's just like. And Vinny
gets really offended by it, but it's
the truth. Like, he's afraid of himself.
He's afraid of his failures. He's afraid

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of falling back into that. And so
he's afraid of even being offered a
second chance because he knows that he's
capable of blowing it and messing it
up. And so, like, there's this whole
fear thing that's. That's driving him. And
his reaction to that honest moment, like,
this brutally honest confrontation, his response is
to just lash out. And so he

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starts attacking the guys and yells at
them for not being committed and storms
off. And that's when the coach comes
alongside and says, hey, you can say
a lot of things about these guys,
but you cannot say that they're not
committed. Every single one of them have
sacrificed to be here. And it's just
this beautiful moment of, like, he's confronted
by the players, and then he's confronted
by the coach. And it's like, we
need both of those in our lives

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to be able to point out and
say, hey, that's not okay. That's not
good.

Yeah. He even highlighted the fact that
you can't say they're not committed because
he pointed one of the characters. I
forgot his name. But he said he
lost so much. Lost his family, doesn't
know what to do. And yet he's
here trying to support and win for
this.

He's talking about Aldar.

Yeah. Yeah.

Literally, if he. If he returns to
his country, he'll be executed.

He'll be executed. He said, now that's
commitment. Because. And it made me think,
okay, what are other people's stories? Why
am I so consumed with myself not
realizing that we're all in the same
boat? We're all in need. We're all
lacking. We all need grace. We all
need help. We all need to. We
all need the assistance that's needed to
be what God has called us to

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be. Cause they were all homeless. Different
situations. You had one character couldn't go
back home till he knocked on the
door of his mom's house. He said,
I can't let you in. Then you
had another one. They were in a
shelter, sleeping in bunk beds and all
type of situations. You had one guy
who was saying inappropriate things and kind

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of stealing and taking things from airports.
Kleptoberry. He was like, I thought I
would see a cash register. So I
was like, bro, you know, there were
no cash, so they all had issues.

That character. Sorry, I just got to
jump. But that character was so interesting
to me because he. He constantly is
saying weird things, and you're like, what
is wrong with this guy? But then
he actually explains at one point in
the movie, he being homeless. My entire
life, no one will ever talk to
me. So now I don't know how
to talk to people. And I was
like, oh, my goodness. Like, that's. That

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makes a lot of sense.

Yeah.

It makes you look behind the curtain
to be like, what's. Instead of saying,
man, what? I heard somebody say, don't
look at a person and say, man,
what's wrong with you? Like, they already.
They're like, what you mean? What's wrong
with me? I'm not broken or anything
like that. Instead, you say things like,
how can I help? Or there's something

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going on. What can I do to
help you? Because there's something behind the
scenes that a lot of times we
just don't see. And we see the
fruit and we see the results of
the trauma, but we don't ask the
question, like, what's the root of it?
To a certain extent. And that helped
to see. Like, everybody has a story.
We'll see somebody doing something completely crazy.

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But there's a backstory behind that. Yeah,
there's a backstory behind that. And that
movie helped see that. And God helps
us see that through the word of
God to help us. Don't just look
out for your own interests, for the
interests of others. Like, what is it
about you that causes you to be
you? So I can help you in
that, and you can help me, because
there may be things about me that
you can see.

Yeah. I was like, what's your story?

It's not just one way, you know.

The real reason you're here is because
I want to know the truth. Now.
I'm just playing.

You don't know yet.

No, I'm just putting husband on the
side.

I know. No, no, no. I was
gonna say, I know we're talking a
lot about others, but what. What is
a time in your life where, you
know, you were in that space where
you were kind of oblivious to things
that, you know, were your blind spots
where you needed to. I don't want
to say grow, but kind of like
one of the parts in your sermon,

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Pastor Brent, was acknowledgment, acknowledging where you
are and not avoiding the season you're
in. What's a. A season in your
life where you feel like, I need
I need to acknowledge this so I
can move forward.

For me, I would say there's a
few seasons, the most recent one. Well,
no, I'll go back. I'll go back
to when I was about 21 and
it's funny, we'll call it Disciples Church.
Of course, we thank God for that.
But when I was about 20, between
21 and 24, I was saved for
some years at the time, but I
lacked direction. I lacked like, okay, God,

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what am I called to do? I
had. I felt like I had abilities
and giftings, but I didn't know how
to necessarily tap into them and utilize
them properly for the kingdom. And I
heard a lot about, actually at that
time, discipleship. I knew biblically, like, discipleship
is a little bit deeper than mentorship.
Similar, but it's more, of course, rooted
in being like Christ. So I wanted

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and needed individuals like God lead me
towards somewhere, somebody, a community, somebody who
can help, help me grow. And my
relationship with Jesus helped me grow as
a Christ follower. Of course, I had
great examples around. I had my father,
had my godfather and things like that.
But it was something specific based on
my context that I needed. And God
led me actually to some brothers and
sisters in the faith that helped me

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grow in my relationship with Christ. A
community of individuals who were big in
discipleship at the time. Where I actually
met this woman right here, Tyisha, at
the time. But before that, they helped
me see a lot of areas in
my life. Like they were. They were
college grads, someone was married. They were
in places where I was like, I

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want to be there one day. So
it was a different circle of friends,
so to speak. And they helped me
see a different aspect of living. So
they helped me see blind spots. They
helped me see laziness when it came
to career. I was doing music at
the time, Christian rap. At the time,
I thought, I want to blow up
in that. And it helped me realize,
like, what if that don't happen?

I'm like, can I drop some bars
right now?

No, not exactly.

Wait, Tyisha, just laugh. We're just gonna.

Because she remembers.

We should have just glossed over. She
remembers to bring attention.

See how she giggled at me? What
are you blow up?

That's just so ironic. Your music career.

I don't know if it was pre
married pastor right now just playing. I
would be. I would be counseling now.

Did we just shift from podcast?

We realized what it was. It was.
I had to make an adjustment. I
had to make that adjustment quick back
then. But they helped me see like,
that may not take off, David, what
are you going to do? And they
help me. What about school? What about
this, that and the third? They were
big on holistic discipleship. Not just spiritual,
but natural. What about finances? What about
your health? And things like that? And

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that helped me see, okay, there are
bigger things that I need to focus
on and be more well rounded in
my maturity as a believer in Christ.
And I think that helped me tremendously
in my walk with Christ. And I
had blind spots, and that brought me.
They brought me in and challenged me
a lot in those areas.

Do you have anger like Vinny?

Anger like Vinnie? No, no, not like
Vinny. I'm just saying I have my
issues. I have my issues. I have
my moments. But. But yes, we all
need people that believe in you, see
something in you, and can pull it
out of you when you don't see
it in yourself. So that's that hurdle.
Just realizing that there are people around
you. But then you also address the

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internal struggle of thoughts and the mindset
as well. And that's a whole nother
ball game that. Because people can see
it and people can call it out
of you. I see this in you.
We know people right now that we
know what God has placed in them
and we know what they should do,
and we see it, but they got
to see it in themselves and believe
God for themselves and apply what God

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has. Has told them to. To apply.
So you brought that up too, with
the, with the, with the mind and
how we should think as. As believers
in Christ, too.

Yeah.

Yeah. So that's a piece of my
story. Just a piece.

I have more questions.

We don't have three days.

I want to hear a similar story
from you, Pastor Rent. What. You know,
what's the time where you felt.

Yeah, so I don't know how to
answer exactly. I know that growing up
I dealt with a lot of, like,
anger issues. And it was all. It
all stemmed from just a feeling of
inadequacy that I wasn't good enough. I
was a very small stature person. So

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like that whole Napoleon complex kind of
thing that people talk about, like, it
was very real with me. So like,
like I just tried to find ways
to appear bigger than I was and
quickly realized that if I could, I
would probably lose a physical fight, but
I could win a verbal fight.

Wow.

And so I started using my words
as weapons. And so that. That became
just kind of. Kind of marked a
lot of my childhood. And I don't
know, I probably need to be in
more therapy to dig Deeper into what's
the real root to all of that.
But that's not the point of the
podcast. But, yeah, so there was just

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definitely a lot of those. Those issues,
that inadequacy that's kind of followed me
all my life. And so I've had
mentors, I've had people discipling me that
have. Have pulled me out of some
of those mindsets and helped me kind
of fix some of my thinking. I
will say, though, that I probably have
a different approach to it than a

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lot of other people and probably a
different approach than I would even recommend
for a lot of people. I think
it. I think it just works for
my personality and my. My trust in
God, the level of trust that I
have. So, like, the. The voice used
to always say, you're not good enough,
and that would make me feel depressed
or like I had something to prove
or something. And the voice is still

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there. I agree with the voice, but
I put a comma. So, like, the.
The statement used to be, you're not
good enough, exclamation point. Now it's brent,
you're not good enough, but the Holy
Spirit's got you.

That's good.

Like, you're not good enough, but thank
God he is.

That's good.

Right? And so, like, for. For me,
it's like. Like, I recognize there's truth
in, like. Like, Brent's alone is not
good enough. Like, it's just. It's. I
fall short, but there's just something freeing
in realizing that you don't have to
be good enough.

Yeah.

That. That's not. The goal is not
for me to become perfect on my
own. Like, it's. The goal is for
the Holy Spirit to be working in
me and through me.

Yeah.

And so.

Yeah.

Yeah. So it's. One of those weird
things is, like, you know, most people,
I'd probably tell them, hey, stop telling
yourself you're not good enough for me.
I'm like, yeah. Not. I'm not good
enough. It's okay. I'm not the best
preacher. I'm not, you know. Oh, gosh,
I'm not the best. Whatever. But that's
okay. Like, I. I don't have to
be.

Yeah.

I just have to be faithful, you
know?

You're a good preacher, Pastor Brand. No,
I. This is a great moment to
affirm you. I think that you're a
great preacher, you know?

And then I love your encouragement.

You don't even care. I know. I
know.

The reality is I don't need it.

Yeah.

Because I've gotten To a place where
I'm not looking for the applause. I'm
not looking for the. Hey, you're. You're
amazing. Like, if I can just do
what God told me to do in
a way that honors him.

Yeah.

That's all I need.

That's good.

Is that healthy? It works for me.

That's good.

There's probably somebody listening to this. It's
got, like, a background in psychology.

That is like, they're like, this kid.

My goodness, we need to get that
boy in a room. Like, please, we
need a fix, this kid.

But, yeah, no, it made me. It
makes me think about, like, how do
we continue to move forward? Like, so
if someone was watching this and I
was like, you know what? I'm not.
I know I need to get to
the place where, you know, I am
believing in myself and I'm putting that
comma. Like, how do we encourage them
to move to that space? Because, like

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in the movie, Vinnie, it took him
a long time. He was just angry.
People was pouring into him. Like, you
said you had discipleship, and. But he
was just really stuck in his head.
So what is some application for people
who are just in seasons where they.
It's just tough. It's hard right now.

So what snaps Vinnie out of it
is it's three things. So it's the
nun coming to him, having that just
heart conversation of. You didn't realize it's
a game of two halves. The sun
came up this morning. This is your
second chance. We needed a second chance,
and you're it for us, and we
can be it for you. Like, that
whole dialogue, that whole conversation. He goes

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on to play for Team South Africa
with them, and when he steps onto
the court. So if you didn't watch
the movie, basically that. The night that
he's punching the soccer ball and all
this, he runs away from his team,
Essentially.

Yeah.

And by the time he comes to
his senses and decides he's going to
go back, he misses it. Like he's.
He's already. He's blocked from attending the
game. So his team doesn't know that
he even tried to come back. All
they know is this guy freaked out
at us, ran away and left us
to play this game without him.

Yeah.

And so he's feeling devastated from all
that. The nun has this great conversation
with him. He goes and he plays
for Team South Africa. When he walks
onto the court to play with Team
South Africa, his coach and his actual
England team are in the stands and
they see him for the first time
wearing a different team's jersey. For me,
like, that's the moment to be bitter

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and angry and be like, this. This
jerk didn't even play for us. Now
he's playing for them. Like, right. And
instead their reaction was to yell and
scream his name and clap and cheer
and tell him. Like, they. They demonstrated
the love of Christ in such a
beautiful way when they just cheer for
him. So that's the second moment is

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this team rallying around him. Even though
he had done everything wrong, they still
loved him.

Yeah.

And that, I think, had a huge
breakthrough in him. And then the final
one was Mal having that conversation we
showed in one of the clips where
his coach actually tells him, hey, I
was the guy that scouted you. And
the funny thing is, Mal is, like,
terrified to have that conversation because he
feels like he screwed up this guy's
life. And Vinny's reaction was, this is
so cool.

Right? Right.

Like, it was totally not what he
expected, Which I love seeing that in
film because there's so many times in
our lives where we blow up this
conversation. Like, I can't have this conversation
because it's gonna poorly. It's gonna be
awful. It's gonna be awkward. I don't
know how to do this.

Yeah.

And when you finally do it, it's
like, it was none of those things
I was worried about.

Right, right.

So it was just a great visualization.
But so essentially for Vinnie, he had
these three moments. So he had the.
The person he's barely connected to just
speaking truth to him. He had the
team rallying around him, and then he
had his personal coach actually speaking directly
to a situation. And I think that
the coach's statement there of, you were

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terrific, combated the lie that he wasn't
good enough. And then him saying, you
still are terrific, combated the current feeling
of, I'm homeless, which makes me worthless,
which I should be embarrassed about, and
all this. And so that statement that
combated the past and the present for
him, I think was huge. And so

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I think for some of us or
a lot of us, we're going to
need those same people in our lives.
You need the preacher to preach a
sermon about second chances, to stand on
the stage, look you in the eyes,
and say, you are God's masterpiece. You
need somebody that can remind you, every
time the sun comes up, you're getting
another chance. It's a fresh start. Every
day, every day that God puts breath

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in your lungs, you've got an opportunity
to do what you were supposed to
do the day before. So do It.
But you also need a group of
people that can cheer for you and
rally around you and encourage you. And
they're not there to bring correction. They're
not there to, you know, challenge your
idea. They're just there to support you,
to love you, to, as we talked
about in the message, to bear one
another's burdens. Like that's what the team

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is doing. But then you also need
deep relationship with somebody that can actually
identify what's going on in your life
and can call out things, can encourage
you, but can also correct you. They
can be doing all that. And that's.
To me, that's discipleship. Like you need
to be in that kind of relationship.
It's my long winded. You need the
three things.

Yeah, that was good, David.

Clean it up, make it better.

Ditto. Cosine. I agree, I agree. Ultimately,
though, I add this little piece. As
believers, those are primary. All those means
are used to point people to Jesus.
Like to be like. Because every link
in the chain was. Was a person

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being utilized to help this her, help
the individual along the. Along their journey,
each step along their journey. But ultimately
there will come a point when it's
like, you have to own this.

I agree.

For yourself.

Yeah.

Okay. The preacher preached. Oh, that touched
me in small group. Oh, that helped
me. Oh, so and so was available.
I text him at 2am and he
answered and he was there for. He
drove up and he knocked the bottle
out of my hand and said, come
on, we going home and took me
home and he walked me through AA
or whatever the case may be in
the therapy I needed for six months.

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All that. And you are grateful to
the people that helped you. But eventually
you have to take heed to what
the Lord is saying and do this
thing and walk it out. Because the
people are just means by which that
God uses rather to lead you to
Him. And eventually you got to own
it. You got to own it for

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yourself. And I think there was a
moment where Vinnie owned it. He was
like, yeah, I am like, I do
have another chance. I do have value.
I'm good enough in and of myself.
And there are people around me who
see that. And I'm a walk in
who I am and walking who. And
in the context we're trying to help
people understand within the church and within

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the body is you are who you
are in Christ. Your confidence comes from
him and your identity comes from Him.
The fact of the matter is who
he called you to be and how
he shaped you and how he wired
you. Everything. Everything he puts into place
every leader, every sermon, everything that, every
Bible study that all leads, what leads

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us to him so we can go
to him and say, God, okay, I
need you. I want you. And you're
the only one who can lead and
direct me and keep me along the
way. Because people can be fickle. People
can change their minds. The same person
who encouraged you today, they're going through
their own stuff tomorrow, and they're not
available. But we are called to draw

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to the throne of Christ, and he
never changed. In him, there is no
variation or shadow due to change. He
doesn't shift. So knowing that we serve
a God who was consistent, that should
be the primary focal point to help
us all realize, like, yeah, everything else
is utilized to help me see me
for who I am. But I need
to take all that to the God

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who created me and gives me the
value that I'm looking for. So. And
that's something we, you know, we have
to believe that for ourselves, not just
point that to other people. We need
to realize that in and of our
own hearts, in of our own selves.

So, yeah, I wanted to. Pastor Brent,
in your message yesterday, you kind of
concluded by saying, talk about this in
your small group. So there is no
reason why we can't do it here
on between sermons. So you said. You
kind of ended your. Your sermon, and
you said, if you're in the middle
of a second chance or you need
one, ask yourself these three things. What

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lie do you need to start repeating?
What truth do you need to start
declaring? And who needs your story so
they can find theirs? So I guess
I want to. I don't. I don't
want to say which one. Which place
do you feel like you're in? But
everybody should answer that. I think that

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would be fun. No.

So much fun.

You're looking like, no, I don't want
to answer my own question. So. Okay,
let's start with you, David. What lie
do you need to stop repeating? And
what truth do you need to start
declaring? Pastor Brandon's like, I already answered
this.

Lie that I need to stop repeating.
I guess you can say for me.

And this is current, don't be talking
about in 2021.

That's. Hey, people still struggling. You never
know.

5.

Is that really four years ago?

That's crazy. No, when you said, I
was like.

You'Re like, I don't want something from.
Like, I was thinking, like, 1980.

All right, 1997.

Yeah.

No, like 2021.

2021. That was like. Like yesterday. Yeah.

No, Okay, a lie. I need to
stop believing. I can. I. I guess
I can say that, that I'm insufficient.
Okay, so to speak. Insufficient, That's a
complex term. Insufficient, like it's not enough
is another way of saying insufficient, which

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is simple, which is similar to what
you said earlier. But I think it's
a common thing we all deal with
in our own way. But to piggyback
off what Brent said earlier, the truth
to believe is that God's grace is
sufficient, which it is. So realizing the
fact that I need to completely rely

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on him gives me a reason to
realize, okay, the lies of the enemy
are not. Are just that, their lives.
You mentioned something yesterday about the mind
and that really hit home with me
because I've been reading. I read a
book recently, Winning the War in youn
Mind by Pastor Groeschel, Craig Groeschel, great

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book. And he highlights the fact that
this may not be. You know, some
people may have heard this before, but
he highlights the principles of the replacement
principle when it comes to thoughts. Replacement
principle, renewing principle and the reframing principle.
And he highlight. And then the pre.
Framing principle. So he highlights the fact

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that when there's a lie that comes
to your mind, you replace it with
the truth. Back years ago, when I
had. When I used to struggle. We're
being honest. Years ago, probably at least
maybe 13 years ago, I struggled with
pornography and lustful thoughts. They had to
bounce your thoughts principle. It was all
type of principles. When you. Some pop,
you bounce it off and say, no,

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I'm gonna go this way with my
thoughts. And that's. That reminded me of
that. So the replacement principle. So in
order to replace it though, you got
to know what you're gonna replace it
with. And what was that? The clever
guy, the clever character. I keep my
mind filled with good things so bad
things can come.

No room for the bad things.

No room for bad things. So you
keep your mind filled. You gotta know
the Word, you gotta know the scriptures,
you gotta know what God has said
about you and what God says primarily
even about Himself. Because we want us
to know what does the Word say
about you? And you should know that.
But it only applies and has any
power for you because of who he
is. So what does the Word say
about Him? That he's faithful. His grace
is sufficient. He's more than enough. So

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realizing that, okay, I need to. I
need to. I need to replace the
lies of the enemy. And then I
create a declaration. It's all coming back
to me. I create a declaration based
on that truth. So I replace the
lie with the truth. I'm insufficient. Okay,
okay, that's. Oh, I can't do whatever
God has called me to do, that's
a lie. You can. You replace it

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with the truth that God has called
you, or he forms you in your
mother's womb and things like that. Then
you make a declaration based on that
and then you reframe your thought process.
He likened it to a picture. And
you look at a picture and you
see a picture in the frame. You
can just take that picture out and

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put a new one in. You don't
throw away the frame, you just put
a new picture in. So I reframe
my thoughts based on the truth that
I'm declaring, and then I reframe my
thoughts, and then I replace it. I
reframe and then I think about future
thoughts differently. So I pre frame the

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future. So if there's something coming up
in the future and I say I'm
not going to do well at that
or last time I failed, and this
time I won't succeed either. No, I
pre frame it. There's a blank canvas.
So I put the picture there mentally
based on God's word, based on God's
truth. And that helps me realize, like,
if God was faithful, then he'll be
faithful this time and he'll carry me
over and he'll never leave me nor

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forsake me. So just realizing these things,
replacing the lies with truth, is a
consistent ongoing battle that I think if
we're equipped for, we'll be able to
overcome every time we face them. And
that's the thing we need to understand,
is that it doesn't necessarily end. It's
something that can continue. The enemy will
continue his onslaught. But as long as
we remain equipped, we can overcome any

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thought that he tries to throw our
way. If that makes sense.

No, it does.

So replacing that's a lie I need
to replace. And I need to replace
the truth in that way.

That's good.

Place it with the truth.

Okay.

Pastor Brent, you're gonna hate me.

Don't say what you said earlier.

What did I say earlier?

You said that you wasn't a good
preacher. And.

Oh. So, so here's, here's, here's why
you're gonna hate me. So I look
at myself as a. A very self
aware individual.

Okay.

Which means I don't struggle with lies
because I recognize the truth in who
I am. So there's a random.

So you're perfect?

No, no, no, no. The opposite of
that. I just, I don't believe lies
about myself, but there are true things
about me that aren't flattering or aren't
good, but it's not based on lies.

See how you twisting this up?

Does that. Does that make sense, though?
So, like, so. So I don't have
necessarily, like, man, there's just a lie
of the enemy that keeps telling me
this thing. No, I don't. I don't
really have that, which is. Which is
weird. So Wednesday night, our. Our men's
group, like, we. We were looking at
all these lies, and I'm literally, I'm.
There was like, what, 50 of them
or something like that. There's a huge
list, and I'm going through, and they're

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like, just circle the ones that you've
been believing. And I'm flipping through, and
I haven't circled a single thing. And,
like, all the guys around me are,
like, circling, like, everything, and I'm like,
what's wrong with me? Like, like, how
come I don't have one? But I
think it's just. Just years of just
trusting God that I'm at a place
now where when there's something that, like,

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the only lies that. That the enemy
can use have to be half truths,
but I can still recognize there's. There's
partial lie to that. So, like, when
I say something like, well, I'm not
the. The best preacher in the world,
that's a definitive statement. Like, I'm. I'm
not the best preacher. Am I good
preacher? Maybe I'm an. I'm an average.
I'm okay. Like. Like, the people at

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our church love it. That's why they're
here. And if they didn't love it,
they wouldn't be here. Like, they'd be
somewhere else. So, like. Like, I recognize,
like, yeah, I'm somewhere in the middle
of the pack. So is that a
lie or is that truth? Well, it's
truth, but some people would take that
and use it as a defeat of
statement.

Yeah.

Or a defeatist statement. I use it
as motivation. Okay, so how can I
get better? Like, if. If I'm not
the best? Like, what can I do?
How can I hone this craft? How
can I. How can I develop more?
And so for me, like, when I
look at a situation and I go,
I can't do that, or I'm not
good enough for that. That doesn't cause

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me to, you know, leave and be,
like, all right, too late. It causes
me to go, okay, what do I
need to do so that I can.
Who do I need to get around.
That's going to enable this to happen.
What skills do I need to develop?
What. Maybe the only thing that can

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help this situation is the Holy Spirit
to show up. So what am I
going to do next? I'm going to
go pray. I can't do this. I'm
going to go pray about it. And
so it's not to say that I've
never struggled with lies in my life,
but in the current season of Brent
McQuay, like, lies is not something that
I'm dealing with.

Okay. That's why you have the shirt
on. Fearless.

Yeah, no, but. And, like, please hear
me when I.

Like, no, you're perfect. We get it.
I understand.

Amazing. Like, y' all should be, oh,
we.

Need to get on your level. I
get it.

But so not what I'm trying to
communicate.

I want to add, though, I'm encouraged
by that, though. I know some people
could be like, oh, man. See those
Christians, they always think they got it
all together. No, the fact that. I'm
not saying that's what you're saying, but
I am saying that. I'm saying that
there may have been seasons in your
life where you were struggling with that
someday in the past, most likely, but
as a result of growth, maturity, relationship

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with Jesus, experience God's faithfulness, it no
longer applies to you the way maybe
it used to. And that's how it
should be for us as believers. Sometimes
I've seen and heard individuals criticize believers
because, oh, y' all struggle with your
struggles. Your struggles are in the past
tense. It's always past tense. What about
currently, what you're dealing with? But what

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if I'm not saying I'm not dealing
with anything but the thing that you
may be bringing to me that you
want to talk about, I'm currently not
dealing with that. Thank God. This is
an example that you one day may
not have to struggle with this area
either in the future. And that's encouraging
to hear. Even when you said that,
as I was going through the same
packet, which was a good packet, had
great things in it, great resources, I

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found myself struggling to find a couple.
I was like, I don't deal with.
I don't deal. And I'm looking around
as well, and I'm like, I guess
I should circle something.

So you fell into peer pressure.

So other people are circling, But I
found one that was, like, close to
something. I was like, I kind of
struggle with that.

And my guess is a lot of
the guys around me were like, they
saw something on paper and they're like,
I know that's a lie.

Yeah.

But I, you know, I can be
tempted to believe that lie. So they
would circle it, right? And for me,
I'm like, that's a lie. That's a
lie. That's a lie. That's a lie.
That's a lie. Why would I believe
a lie? It's a lie. Like, if
I know it's a lie, why am
I gonna believe it?

Yeah.

Yeah. I kind of found myself looking
like, that's. No, I'm not. But then
some stuff I, you know, and I
think some of that came with growth.
Some of that came with, like God
has. Because I've been. We talked recently,
me and my wife, we talked recently
about how we had a season in
life that was tough in our marriage
and in personal lives in general. But
by the grace, God, the Holy Spirit,

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prayer, the church, counseling, therapy, all the
things, most importantly the power of the
Holy Spirit. Like I said, by God's
grace, we did the work.

Yeah.

Yeah, we did that. We did the
work perfect. No way better. Yes. And
we did the work. For my personal
addictions years ago, I had to do
the work. I had to make the
sacrifices and do and take the steps
that were necessary to get the results.
I was believing God for. And because
the work was done in so many

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ways. And even work still being done
in areas in my life, a personal
development in Christ and being what scripture
says, self examiner, make sure you examine
yourselves to see if you're in the
faith. Well, I believe without a shadow
of a doubt I'm in the faith.
But the principle of examining myself and
the areas in life, God, what can
I grow. And my inconsistencies because that

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work is still happening, I think more
and more lies have diminished. Like, I'm
not believing certain things anymore. And even
though the enemy may try to backdoor
those lies by the grace of God,
I'm more equipped to be like, nah,
I remember this. I remember this feeling.
I remember where that came from. And
even recognize when I'm in a season.

I was gonna say season.

And in a moment of disagreements or
something or tension or something like that,
what used to drive me this way,
because God has caused me and allowed
me to do the work and allow
us to do the work we're able
to, you know what? Let's come back.
Because, no, the enemy's not gonna get.
He's not gonna have a foothold in
this area. And that falls in line
with your mind and your thoughts and

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believing the truth over lies. And I
believe growth Happens So more and more
lives will be believed. Less and less
as you grow more.

I love that you brought up seasons,
because I think that that is probably
even accurate for me. Like, I'm in
a good season right now, so that,
like, that's. That's how mentally, I'm in
a good season. So I think that
there are also, you know, certain things
happen and the season changes, and it's
a. It's a harder struggle. So, yeah,
like, we. We. We've been in a
rough season, like, with things going on

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with our kids, that, man, our faith
has been tested.

Yeah.

But we've been in that season for,
like, a year now. A little bit
over a year. And so, like, I've
got the now, the experience, and it's
like, God, I still don't know how
you're gonna work this thing out, but
I. I've recognized I'm doing everything that
I can do.

Yeah.

For the situation. So at this point,
like, yeah, it is up to you.
Like, can I solve this problem on
my own? No, I've already tried, and
it hasn't worked.

Yeah.

And so now I'm just trusting in
God. And so I think we didn't.
This may be a side trail, but
I think part of the whole lies
and truth thing is really connected to
shame and conviction, where, like, shame is
this. This negative. Like, what I talked

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before, like, putting an exclamation point where
you could have put a comma, and
it's like, yeah, that. That's true, but
there's more to the story.

Yeah.

And so what shame does is shame
closes us off, whereas conviction opens us
up. So, like, when we experience shame,
it. It shuts us down. It causes
our heads to drop. Like, because we.
We feel defeated, and so we give
up. Whereas conviction is not supposed to
do that. Like, true conviction actually causes
you not to. To look down, but

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to look up and to open up
to. To recognizing. Okay, here's this thing.
I have conviction that I need to
do something about it. I need to
repent. There's a sin issue. There's something
that I did or said that's not
good, that's not right. Shame says I
need to just leave everybody alone. Like,
just walk away. Stop trying all that
stuff. Conviction says I need to go

(50:49):
to them and apologize. Conviction says I
need to go to church and I
need to repent. I need to go
pray. I need to. I need the
Holy Spirit to come help me and
this situation. And the more we can
reject shame and embrace conviction, I think
the healthier we get as followers of
Jesus, man, That's so good.

Yeah. No, I would even say as
like a personal testimony, like, shame was
something that I struggled with a lot.
Like, to answer the question on my
behalf, please.

It's about time you answered questions and
not just ask them.

I mean, my job is co host.
So. Yeah. Shame is something that I
feel like the enemy tries to use
over me. And I don't know if
I shared it here on between sermons
or with, like, another circle of, you
know, disciples. I don't know. I don't
know. But I know recently I share,
you know, we're disciples here in D.C.

(51:42):
so anybody I talked to is a
disciple. No, I'm just playing. So I
was sharing, like, how the enemy does
try to come, and you can feel
like you are out of that season
or you're not in that place anymore.
And here he is with, like, this
thought. The. The thoughts, like, you know,
but you were there. And what if
people still look at you that way

(52:04):
or, you know, and so one day
I had to get up. I was
literally laying in the bed. I was
like, oh, no. So I gotta put
on, like, some praise and worship, start
praying. I'm like. And as soon as
I started reading scripture and praying, like,
the enemy, like, he left. Those thoughts,
like, stopped. You know what I mean?
And it was like, so all you
have to do, like, shame is a

(52:24):
real thing and it can cripple you.
Yeah, it comes. And I. And I.
I used to say this a lot.
It really comes to stop you from
sharing your testimony, your story. Because there
are people who need to know that
you were delivered. You were brought from
something. There was a redemption to your
story. Like, that is because we all
need a savior. And we all. There's

(52:46):
things in our past that we could
have experienced or done that can lead
to shame. And when we let that
defeat us, you. You have bitterness. You
have all of these other emotions that
come with. At the root is shame.
But it's like, now it's like I'm
judging other people.

Yep.

Now it's like I'm calling out their
faults. I'm not comfortable around people because,
you know, I'm dealing with, you know,
kind.

Of like Vinny visualization of this. It's
Vinny.

It's.

Then he's dealing with shame and he
uses the. Because of his shame, now
he's judging the people around him.

Yes.

He's attacking them.

He's hurt people. Hurt people.

Is that. That whole shame is like,
what I call it? Noise canceling. Headphones
yeah. You can't hear truth.

You can't.

All you hear is a shame.

Yeah.

Messed up, man.

So I. I mean, I am. I
used to be a huge advocate. I
still am, but I think I switched
the assignment a little bit. But, like,
shame, you have to nip it in
a bud right away.

Yeah. I always recommend this book. I
hate the title of the book. It
used to have a good title, and
then they rebranded it and put it
out there with a horrible title. So
now you'll have to look it up
as Free Yourself, Be Yourself. The dumbest
title for a book ever.

It makes sense.

At some point. At some point, the
authority owes me an apology because I.
I plug this book all the time,
but I always have to preface it
by saying, look, you're not gonna feel
comfortable having that book on your. Show
yourself. Be yourself.

Especially, like, for a man, like a
woman.

Yeah. It's a guy problem, I'm sure.

What's. Old title. Shame Off Me.

Shame off you?

Yeah, same off you. I remember that
because.

Shame on you. And they're trying to
flip, so I'm like, that was good.
Everybody's like, hey, shame on you.

You.

And they're like, no, Shame off.

That's a great title.

I don't know.

Owes me an apology.

Free yourself. Be yourself.

Anyway, it's probably not even the office,
right? But for anybody that's dealing with
shame, like, that's. That's the book to
pick up.

Still a good book.

It's. It's a. The content of the
book is fantastic for somebody that's struggling
with shame and just needs to find
freedom.

Yes. And I will even say some
people don't feel like they are struggling
with shame, but it is the root.
So, like, you could just feel like
you have other issues, like rejection or,
I don't know, anything. But shame, I
bet you is a part of that.

It's at least tied in.

It's tied in somehow. So. Yeah, no,
I. I think it was a good.
A good message. So good yesterday because
you really took time to talk about
shame and how we could replace it
with those thoughts that are good.

That was Philippians 4.

8. Yes.

Think about these things.

Yes.

How often do we actually spend time
thinking about these things instead of all
those other things?

Right.

I have a question. Could I. Can
I ask you a question, Pastor Brent?
Do you think shame is always bad?
Does it have a place to lead
you to the cross, so to speak,
and then be like, okay, or.

So this is kind of a new,
nuanced answer. I think yes. Shame is
always bad.

Okay.

Conviction is always good.

Okay, got it.

And shame and conviction are. They're parallel.
Like, there's. There's so much similarity to
it where what you would describe as,
like, shame that was actually beneficial because
it brought you some. I would say
that wasn't shame, that was conviction.

Yeah, right.

And so it's. It semantics probably. Like,
it's just a language.

Yeah.

Thing. But no, I. I think that
shame is, by default, always 100. Shame
is a negative emotion. It's a bad
emotion. No, we're not supposed to say
bad emotions. Is that what I've heard
recently?

I don't know.

I think it was Pastor Chris. She's
gonna talk about emotions on Sunday. And
she's like, yeah, in psychology.

Oh, yeah, she did say bad emotions.

Anyways, shame is a negative.

Yeah, always.

But I think conviction is a. Is
the opposite. It's the positive always. Because
like I said before, like, shame. Shame
is this thing that forces you to
say, I'm not good, therefore I need
to quit. Shame is the thing of,
like, rejecting God and his forgiveness. Because

(56:55):
it's just like, I'm too ashamed to
even say, jesus, I need your help
to even say forgive me. Whereas conviction
says, I messed up. I need to.
I need to make this right.

What I love about one of the
things I just love about the Gospel
is the fact that Jesus didn't just
come to save us, he didn't just
come to redeem us, but he came
to take away the shame. He came
to take away the guilt and the
condemnation and the self condemnation and the
view of ourself as unworthy, because in

(57:29):
and of ourselves, we are. But he
came to make us worthy. How he
endured the cross, despising the shame, and
he's seated at the right hand of
the throne of God. And the cross
was a shameful. A shameful process. The
whole purpose was to embarrass. The whole
purpose was to show, like, listen, don't
do what this guy did, so they

(57:50):
would shame you in ways that can't
even be mentioned to a certain extent
on the cross of Christ. And he
did that for our sake. And realizing
that understanding the brilliance and the sacrifice
that Jesus went through, how he. He
emptied himself and took on the form
of a servant, became obedient even to
the point of death, even death on

(58:10):
the cross, because that shows us that
the cross was a different. It was
a different animal, and it was shameful.
And he embraced that for us so
that we can be free and just
understanding the fact that in Light of
that, he also invites us in. It's
not like you know any. When you
see one of the reasons the prodigal
son was so. When he came back

(58:31):
and with the posture he had, which
made sense, like, I'll go back and
be a servant because I'm so ashamed.
But the result or the response of
the Father was like, no, we can
throw a party, get the ring, throw
it on his finger, kill the fatted
calf. My son was dead, now he's
alive. That showed like, that was a
beautiful picture of Jesus overlooking the shame

(58:52):
that we feel with celebration and the
fact that he says in Hebrews chapter
four, how we don't have a high
priest who can sympathize with us, but
one who is tempted in every respect,
just like us, only he has never
sinned. Therefore, we can approach the throne
of grace with boldness and confidence so
that we may obtain mercy and find
grace to help in time of need.

(59:14):
Like, that's brilliant to me. And it
shows us every opportunity Jesus has shown
us through his parables, through the Gospels,
through the epistles, that shame. It's not
a reason for you to withhold your
devotion to me. I'm inviting you in.
Forget the shame. Forget all that. I
took it upon myself. I took it
all. And that's beautiful to understand that

(59:34):
and how he, how he embraced that
and took that upon himself. It just
made me think of that because there's
been plenty of times I was just
shameful. I was ashamed of my past
or ashamed of my thoughts, ashamed of
my actions. But when I realized that
Jesus took that shame on himself, set
me free, and it's a form of
freedom that I can't, you know, that,
that, that needs to be expressed and
people need to understand. So my little

(59:56):
two cents, we.

We haven't had a Bible nerd moment
in a while, so I have to
jump in here. So you talked about
Jesus bearing our shame. And there's actually,
in the Old Testament, there were two
lambs as part of the sin sacrifice.
And Jesus represents both. And so in,

(01:00:18):
in Judaism, in the Old Testament, it's
laid out for them that they would
take this spotless lamb. They would sacrifice
it, but they would take another lamb
and they would play. The high priest
would place his hands on the head
of the. The lamb, symbolically putting all
of the guilt and the shame of
their sins. So one lamb paid the

(01:00:40):
price for the sin.

Ti’heasha Beasley (01:00:41):
Wow.

Pastor Brent McQuay (01:00:42):
With its blood, the other one bore
the shame of the sin. And then
they would cast that. That lamb out
of the. The city. So like, they
would force it out, like, chase it
off with sticks and stuff. Like, so
it would just wander off into the
desert. And it was a visual representation
for the people of Israel that not
only had their sin been forgiven, but
the guilt, the shame, all of that

(01:01:03):
was now no longer theirs.

Wow.

It had been taken away. And so
Christ in the New Testament is both.
Yeah, he bears his blood, pays the
price, but he also bears the guilt
and the shame. And so we don't
have to experience shame because he took
it for us.

David Beasley (01:01:20):
Is that where you get the term
scapegoat?

Yeah.

Yep.

I can't say I said that very
quickly. I can't say definitively because language
is weird. But it is a scapegoat
concept for sure. Yeah.

And that's why there's no condemnation.

Yeah.

For those who are in Christ Jesus.
And that's. That's beautiful.

Scapegoat. That was good. No, that was.
Y' all nerded out together. That was
good.

The Bible is cool, man.

Yes, yes, yes.

I'm a big fan of the Bible.

I can tell. I'm. This is why
you don't believe in the lies. Like,
why would you.

Why would you believe lies if you
have truth?

I know. And you. It could tell
you. I can tell you read your
Bible. What was the stat you told
me yesterday really quickly before we land
this plane?

So there was a statistic you might
already know it about. I forgot who
did it. But reading those who read
the Bible consistently in the. In the
noticeable changes in their lives.

Oh, yeah.

So it's like if somebody reads it
once or twice a week. That's cool.
It's good. But it's not. No real
noticeable change. Even three days. That's good.
But there's no real noticeable. But four
days or more perversion, like, went down.
Pornography stuff went down. Families are better.
Oh, yeah. Marriages are better.

Metric.

You can possibly every metric. And society.
Children are better. Anxiety is down.

So good.

Fear is down.

Spend at least four days in your
Bible.

That is statistically. It makes you a
better person.

Put that one out.

But, yeah, you're better off.

So you reach her. You being your
word. Try, man.

And that's why it's noticeable. You can
tell if you're a believer who spends
time with Jesus when you're not spending
that time with Jesus, you can pretty
much tell, like, something's off.

Oh, David always says when I'm having
an off moment, he'd be like, you
have not been anywhere. Like, that's how
he, like, shame.

That's not shame. That's accountability. That's loving
my wife. I'll be like, what's going
on?

I'll be like, you should shift that
shame over to conviction.

I'll be like, you know what?

You're right. I didn't read my Bible
today, so I'm gonna go read it
now. See, that's conviction. Shame says, this
jerk just called me out on a
podcast.

You been. You haven't been aware, have
you? Like, instead of saying, no, you
haven't. Really?

Instead of, like, you're ch. He's like,
you ain't been in your work. That's
how he deals with me in the
household. Okay.

And then when I go downstairs and
work out or something, I come upstairs,
the doors close, I hear worship, Like,
God and God. I'm like, like an
old school church mother. I'm like, okay,
Neo, leave her alone. I wouldn't leave
her alone. This will be better for
both of us. Leave her alone.

We need mom to be in that
room right now.

Okay.

Let's go watch Avengers. Okay? Let her
do her thing.

Oh, my gosh.

That's awesome.

All right, guys, well, I guess we
got. We gave some takeaways, but you
want to close with some final thoughts
before we head out or.

Final thoughts? You know, I hit it
briefly in the message, but when you
need help, ask for help.

That's good.

That there's. There's just something about, like,
Vinnie almost missed, actually, several times in
the movie. He misses or almost misses
his opportunity for a second chance because
he doesn't want to admit that he
needs it. He doesn't want to admit
that he's homeless. He doesn't want to
admit that he actually needs the team
as much as the team needs him.
Like, he doesn't want to admit all
of these things because he's trying to

(01:04:42):
have this air of confidence and of
strength, and it really is just weakness.

Yeah.

And I. I want somebody listening to
this to recognize. We recognize that as
weakness. So, like, you're trying to put
on this front, like, I'm so strong,
literally. It's like the guy that has,
like, the extra lifted truck driving by.
You're like, oh, he's so insecure.

Right?

Like, it's just like everybody. Like, the
guy that revs his engine for no
reason. It's like, oh, that Porsche, everybody
around, you know, clothes that you're fronting.
Like, that's. It's fake fronting. Don't. Sorry.
Is that.

It's an old word. I haven't heard
that in a long Time.

I'm an old man. I'm an old
white guy. Gotta bear with me.

That was not a white. You hung
out with us anyways.

Just being strong is saying I need
help.

Yeah.

That I can't do this on my
own.

That's good.

Right. And so stop pretending. Get around
people that can help you. Like the
whole point of the body of Christ
is to bear one another's burdens.

Yeah.

And so let us help.

Yeah, that's good. Quick. Oh, very quick.
Quick. Cuz you.

I would just simply say like believe
what God says. Believe his word.

That's good.

Believe his word. Every promise, regardless of
how it feels and how it looks,
recognized the extent that he went through
in order for us to have what
we have as believers shows that we
can believe and trust his word. He
put his money where his mouth is.
He. He. He laid his life down

(01:06:17):
for his friends.

That's good.

He. He sacrificed it all for us.
So that gives us a reason to
believe and trust. So believe. Believe his
word. It's true.

And I'll just say, cop that book.
Be yourself. Free yourself.

Free yourself. Be yourself.

Free yourself. Be yourself. That's what I
would say. And watch, watch the sermon
from yesterday. It was amazing. We will
put the link in the comments. But
I think if you are in a
season where you are struggling with shame,
this is a really good sermon for
you to take it, digest it and
allow God to speak to you. So

(01:06:54):
thank you for, you know, bringing that
message out, Pastor Brent. It was really
good. Praise God. On that note, we
love you. Until next week. We will
see you.

We'll love you after next week.

We'll love you after next week.

But we'll see you until next week.

Until we meet again.

I know what you're trying to say.

I'm trying to see. Until we meet
again. Peace.

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