Stand Firm & Suffer Well | How to Resist the Enemy & Trust God Through Hard Seasons | 1 Peter 5 - Between Sermons // Audio

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Pastor Brent McQuay (00:00):
Foreign. Welcome back to another episode of
Between Sermons. I'm the host, Brent. I
get to be the lead pastor here
at Disciples Church in Tinley park. And
we are continuing our conversation from Sunday.

(00:21):
Basically, what we like to do with
this podcast is just kind of turn
that monologue into dialogue, turn that sermon
really into, I guess, what you would
experience, like in a small group where
we get to kind of talk through
some things, dig a little bit deeper,
maybe figure out how to make this
a little bit more practical for our
lives. And yesterday was fun. We got
to close out our first Peter series
as we're just walking through the book

(00:42):
of First Peter. So I'm sure we
got a lot of things to talk
about today, but I leave all that
up to the wonderful co host, Tyisha.
As the, as the director of this
cruise ship, you decide where we go.
Yes.

Ti'heasha Beasley (00:54):
And I have questions today because as
the closeout, I feel like I just
want to be right on target because,
you know, we can start drifting in
some of our conversations and can you
even hang with us today because you
got the sniffles.

You can just see I got my
throat coat tee.

Throat coat coat.

To hopefully not sound like a bad
impression of Barry White, that you sound
like myself. But I don't know how
well that's working.

But no, it's fine. You're just an
overachiever. So now you're, you're telling us
that you should just be here no
matter.

What, you know, I mean, we were,
we were taught to play injured, so.

Play injured. I love that we're doing.
Were you feeling well yesterday?

No, not at all.

Oh, wow.

No. So I came back from the
Philippines with, okay, just a cold, like
not covered or anything. Tested clear of
everything.

Pastor Jennifer Parks (01:43):
Okay.

Just, just a normal, like traveling, travel.
Something about being in an airplane for
like 20 hours.

Yes.

As Jennifer kind of scoots further away.

From me, she's like, why, why am
I right? She's like, why am I
here? Well, speaking of Jen, Jennifer, welcome.
Thank you for joining the. Thank you
for having me.

Yes.

Thank you for joining the show. So
you. Let's, let's dive in because you
are a first time guest. Is this
your first time being on here?

First time. Are you.

How you feeling?

I feel fine. I like being on
social media, so I'm good. I just
want to have a very nice, passionate
conversation with Pastor Brent and yeah, because
I love the word.

You love the word.

I'm grateful to be. Ask to be
a guest. Yes.

And so you are. You and your
husband serve as pastors.

Here at D.C. for D.C. groups. Okay.
I'm Jennifer, he's Jason and he more
takes the lead to that and I
just help facilitate whatever he may need.
And if he needs an extra group
and for me to leave, he'd be
like, oh, I need you to do
it.

I'm like, you're a team player too.
We do, we get in the game
around here. Okay. So no, that's amazing
and I love that you're bringing your
perspective to the table because you do
have something you do on Instagram, what
you call it. I won't spoil it.

Bible study time.

Bible study time. So you are a
woman who love to dig in scripture,
so this should be a good conversation.

I love the Word. I. I love
the. I know you love the Greek
and hermeneutics and I like to do
the application still understanding what it is,
but I like to help encourage people
for your day to day life. Like
this is what it means because I
believe that the Word, just like it
says, is alive and breathing and it
has power. So therefore the. If you

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activate the Word in your life, it
will come alive and it will change
things. Yeah.

So so far in this series we're
talking about first, Peter, what has been
like a part of the series that
you really enjoyed so far?

I really enjoyed Pastor Carlton's sermon. I
was pleasantly surprised. Even my kids sometimes,
you know, children, they tune out. They
were like listening and we were discussing
it in the car and he just
made it very practical about what you
do. And the thing that stood out
to me the most is, is when
he was saying that you shouldn't even
be in the council or sitting around

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with people doing things that are not
of God. Maybe you're not the one
that's doing the thing, but just even
being there is not right. Like especially
say, for instance, if you know you've
been delivered from going to the club,
why are you at the club?

Why you at the club?

Well, you're not there to minister, so
I think I need you to come.

So what if there's a birthday party
at the club?

We can't go to the club if
the club is. I would say for
me, if you know that it's a
problem that pulls you back into a
lifestyle that you've been delivered from, you're
going to have to send your regrets
for that. Rsvp. That's just my personal
thing. Some people can go and do
whatever. You know, everybody has their own

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lot in life. Some people say, for
instance, drinking. Some people have no problem
being a Social drinker and doing me.
I'm not touching the stuff. I'm not
looking bad at you for what you
do because it doesn't mean that much
to you. And that's not your conviction.
Whereas there's some things with me, you'll
be like, what are you talking about?
It's like, you know, that's a lot.

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And I'm like, I can do it.
It doesn't matter to me. So everyone
has their own personal thing. I just
think that if you are in a
company of people and you know it's
going to pull you back, you're not
ready yet, you're not mature enough yet
to be in that atmosphere, then you
probably shouldn't go.

You should back off. All right, well,
that was good. So as we, so
that was kind of last week, as
you mentioned. So this week kind of
give us a summary of where we
were headed with this letter because I
love how you kind of mentioned that
at the top of the sermon series
that this was one big letter that
Peter wrote. So how are we concluding

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this letter?

Yeah, and that's really. Chapter five is,
is pretty much just conclusion. It's only
14 verses.

Yes.

As opposed to pretty much every other
chapter is in like the 25 range
for verses. So it's much shorter. At
least half of that is literally just
greetings. It's just hey, so and so
says hi.

Yeah.

And so what you're left with, the,
the chunk of it, I guess is
instructions for elders, how they're supposed to
shepherd the flock, the younger who are
supposed to be subject to the elders,
and then how all of us are
supposed to clothe ourselves in humility by
casting our anxiety in God. And so
that, like that's the, that's the meat
of this, this package. But really throughout

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the entire letter, he just keeps pointing
them to the future because he's writing
to a group of people who are
suffering, who are going through problems, and
he's wanting to give them encouragement, but
he's also wanting to give them hope,
some instruction. Yes. For how they should
be living in the midst of those
problems. But just over and over again,
he just keeps pointing them towards the
future, the inheritance that they have, the

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glory that's going to be revealed, the
second coming of Christ. And so it's
really just this very hope filled kind
of conclusion of everything, of. Hey, it's
just. Hang on.

Yeah, man. I loved how you acknowledged
the leaders and the pastors here yesterday
during your message because it starts off
at that top, at the top of
chapter five. With the, you know, talking
about the elders and the leaders of
the church. So I thought that was
cool. Did you know yesterday was like,

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a pastor appreciation day?

Well, the whole month of October.

October, yes.

Is pastor appreciation, but we never really
do anything for it. No, it's. It's
funny. Like. Like, I had the idea
to do that, and, like, my first
instinct was to not do it because
I'm the kind of person that I
would hate.

Yeah.

To be the one in the crowd
when the pastor gets up and does
that. Like, just, like, don't. Don't draw.
Don't put a spotlight on me.

Yeah.

Just my personality. Just very anti. And
so part of me was like, no,
I. I don't want to do that
to people. But the more I thought
about it, I think maybe the Holy
Spirit was just really trying to nudge
me. That we do need to acknowledge.

Yeah.

And. And thank the people who are
helping lead the flock.

Yeah.

Like I said yesterday, like, this is.
It's not. It's not my flock. It's
God's flock, and it's not a flock.
Like, the size of our flock. Like,
I. I can't manage that.

Yeah.

Like, it's too much for one person.
It's too much for the dozen pastors
that we have. It's too much for
the dozen elders that we have.

Yes.

And so it really comes down to
leaders actually rolling in that. And we've
talked for a long time about group
leaders being the first pastor, that they're
the ones that are caring for the
people in the group, because the small
group leader is going to know when
you don't come to church for a
month, it's going to be harder for
me to notice that.

Yeah. No, that's so true. And I
love how you did acknowledge that, you
know, because it takes away from the
title thing, where people feel like I
only need to serve or pour or
care for people if I have the
title of a pastor. And it's like,
no. Like, God has called a lot
of us to leadership to lead, and
that same mantle falls on you being

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the group pastor, wife, or. I don't
know how you want to say sidekick.

Right.

Have you seen that? How. Have you
seen it displayed in small groups?

I just feel like Jason kind of
helps empowers everyone to lead, so he
meets with everyone individually on an ongoing
basis just to make sure that they.
To hear their concerns and just what's
going well, what's going bad, what needs
improvement. And the people, I feel like,
are really connecting with the flock that

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they are shepherding. And yesterday, first service,
I stood up and I kept trying
to get in. He was like, stand
back up. And the second service, I
was like, well, I'm not standing up
like these. You know, he stood up
and I don't know, I just. I
feel like I've heard people say, well,
we don't know who the pastors and
the elders are. So I think it
was nice that he acknowledged those who

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lead and the leaders, too, because some
people feel like you said, if I
don't have a title, well, I'm not
a leader. I don't need a title.
I. Wherever you put me, I'll go.
But some people do need a title.
So I think it. It helped with
both to acknowledge the ones who are
doing it. And, like, I think verse
two is saying, like, not under compulsion.
And then those who are leading to

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be acknowledged, like, hey, you are putting
in hard work. Because, like, maybe you
don't have a title of pastor yet,
but I think you should. And I
just. Yep. And I. I just think
that you need to be acknowledged as
well for what you do because you
are a leader.

I definitely stood up at home because
I was online hosting.

You should have stood up.

I was. I did not set up
at home. I was actually putting out
fires. I was leading.

I was doing.

So, no, that was too busy shepherding.

Right. I was just like, oh, he
let people stand up. Good job, Neo.
Get dressed. Like, I was just managing
a lot, doing a lot. So leading
into that question, I like how that
first portion talked about shepherding. So what
does it really look like to shepherd
people today in 2025? Pastor Brent?

Yeah, it's exactly what I. What I
said in the message. Love, lead, feed,
protect. And that's not something, you know,
special or magical. Like, it's just. It's
literally what good shepherds do. The love
part is the optional side of things.
In the shepherding world, you don't necessarily
have to love your sheep, but you're
not going to be a very good
shepherd if you don't love your sheep.

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In the ministerial, in the spiritual side
of things, it absolutely. You can't. You
can't actually be a shepherd if you
don't love sheep. It's going to create
so much abuse and all kinds of
issues. And so you got to love
people. And loving people means sacrificing for
them, being there for them, putting their

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interests above your own.
Like, loving is. It's not easy because
it's not just words or an emotion.
It's action. And then we feed, lead
and protect. Where we do that within,
like, small groups. Let's use small groups
as the example. So, like, the feeding

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portion would be. Okay, what is the
group leader choosing for curriculum for? What
are we going to be talking about?
How are they guiding those conversations? How
are they making sure that the people
in their group are actually maturing and
growing in Christ? Because, like we say
around here, a lot, like, we're trying
to become more like Jesus today than
we were yesterday. And so as the

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group leader, like, how are you helping
the people in your group do that?
And it may be teaching them on
a certain sin area in their life.
It may be helping them learn how
to study the Bible better. It may
be helping them learn how to pray.
You know, feeding them could be a
lot of different things. But we talk
a lot about, like, disciple making. And

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with disciple making, you are a teacher,
and as a disciple, you are a
learner. And so what we say is,
you teach from the Bible.
It's the infallible word of God. It's
the only authority that we have that
isn't corrupted or subject to just whims
and opinions and feelings and emotions and

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all that. And so we teach the
word of God. That's how we feed.
And then the leading is, you know,
in the. In the natural sense, leading
is making sure the sheep are getting
to the right pasture, that they're getting
back to the right pens, that they're
being, you know, they're not being led
off a cliff as sheep have been
prone to do in the past. One

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sheep goes off the edge, and the
others follow. And so leading is a
major part of the job of any
shepherd.
And so in the church world, leading
really does mean doing life with somebody.
Like, you have to be close enough
in a relationship to be able to
know what's going on in their life,
but the other person actually needs that

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relationship also to be able to follow.
Like, you don't want to follow somebody
that you don't know has your best
interests at heart. And so in that
leading process, that's that relational piece where
I know what's going on in your
life so I can help you navigate
those situations.
So, like, the small group that I'm

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leading right now, each of them have
something different going on in their life.
And so my job as their. As
their shepherd is to help navigate them
through whether it's a fear issue, an
anxiety issue, an addiction issue, a marriage
issue. Like, literally, we got, like, the
gamut of things in our small group.
And so it's Helping them navigate life,

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essentially. And then the protection piece, man,
that may be the hardest part of
shepherding because it seems like the sheep
are always in danger. Like, there's always
something going on. And sometimes it's external,
sometimes it's internal. Like, that's the.
The scariest thing as. As a pastor
of a church is when there's wolves

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in sheep's clothing kind of mixed in.
And. And then sometimes there's just sheep
that snip at other sheep, and it's
like, okay, you're not a wolf, but
you did just bite your brother. Like,
let's. Let's. Let's figure this out.

Yeah.

And so that protection piece, I. Man,
it's tough, but I think that it's
also still essential. And so we do
that by loving them, caring for them,
pointing out sin when we see it,
calling out stuff that isn't right, which
is the conflict part. It is conflict
resolution skills definitely have to be worked

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on. So.

Yeah. No, I was just sitting here
thinking, like, man, it is a light.
People want that position. They want the
titles of leadership and pastor and, I
don't know, Jeopardy.

And then they get it, and they.

Realize, oh, this is not the glamorous
thing I thought, where I could just
float into church with my cute outfit
on or. And everybody's like, you have
your person.

Next to you carry your Bible for
you.

Yeah, we don't do that here at
Disciples Church. It is real life, and
it's a lot of dying to yourself.

Yeah.

And that's something I'm just realizing just
in leadership. Like, we are over a
small group, me and my husband, and,
you know, just the different things that
I'm able to lead. It's a lot
of dying to yourself. Like, it is
not about you anymore. It's like, when
you have kids, it's like, that's.

I was thinking, like, if you're a
parent, it's not about you. Yeah. I
had an issue with my daughter this
morning. I knew what was best for
her. I told her what was best.
She did the opposite thing. And I
was like, I could either stay there,
but I have somewhere to go. And
we talked about it, and she just
got on that bus with that T
shirt on, and even though it was
cold outside, no lunch. I'm like, I

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don't know what you're gonna eat. You
know, just stuff like that. Like, I
think in leadership, I know you said
it's optional. Maybe I misheard you. I
don't believe it's optional. I believe that
God told us to Love, because he
first loved us. So you have to
love whether you dislike the person or
not. And what you said with feeding
and the word of God is what

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it is. Like, I, I go back
to the word I go back to.
It is written because when Jesus is
in the wilderness, he didn't rely on
what anybody else said. He only said
what his father said. And I think
leading, we have to lead by example.
Like, I can't tell you, oh, you
know, don't. Don't wear gold necklaces. And

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I wear gold necklaces. It's like I
have to line up with what I'm
saying. My life should line up. Like,
you, you should not see me in
church looking one way. And then on
Monday. Wait a minute, you dropping it
low. And you know, I just.

Yeah.

Think it should be different. I just
think, like he said.

Yeah. Just to clarify, the optional part
was for natural, not spiritual. So like
an actual. No, no, no. You're missing
my point. A shepherd with actual sheep.
Like a shepherd out in the flock
on the side of a hill, loving
the sheep is optional because it's a,
It's a paid occupation. I don't, I
don't.

I share a different thought.

Okay, yeah, that's fine.

Well, I was mainly, like, on social
media, what I see is a lot
of people who give themselves these titles
and platforms, but they're not, they're not
really. They're missing the whole part of,
like, being pastor or being in leadership.
Like, they're missing the shepherding piece.

I mean, the high priestess of the
prophetess of the tabernacle stuff. And they
don't even belong to a church or
have anybody under them. Yeah.

Like on social media.

Yes.

And. And that's the piece. When I
think about Peter, when he's writing to
this audience, he talks a lot about.
He talks a lot about honoring the
people that are in leadership over you,
and he talks a lot about being
a good steward over the thing, the
people you're given to be a good
steward over. And that's something I feel

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like we miss a lot when we,
you know, we see these social media
influencers or even in real life, like
some churches, unfortunately, they miss that sharpening
piece. So I'm really glad they. That
we were able to point that out
in, in this chapter.

Yeah. This is one of the things
I love about his introduction in this
chapter is it's, it's funny because we're
actually getting to see him live out
the Jesus principle of leadership. But it's.
You got to remember, like, sometimes we're
reading the Bible, we think it's all
happening at the same moment, but this
is 30 years later. So 30 years
later, he's identifying himself as a fellow

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elder. Like when Jesus taught his disciples
how to lead, he talked about being
a servant, not lording it over them.
And then 30 years later, we get
to see Peter, like, actually living that
out, like, putting into practice, which is
one of those, like, good job, Peter.

Yeah, kudos. He writes a letter to
encourage other. I love that he talks
a lot about hum. Humility. Am I
saying that?

Humility.

Humility. Yes, I'm saying it correctly. So
I would say, Jen, how have you
experienced God's care through this type of
surrender? Just being in a place of
being humble and living a life of
a.

Surrendered life, just like you were saying
yesterday. I feel like I have learned
to humble myself because when God humbles
you, he will put you on your
back like you. Sometimes I say, oh,
no, no, no, God, I got this.
You. Nope, you don't have to. I
understand. I heard you, Holy Spirit. I'm
good. And I try to check myself.
I try to be quiet and let

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the Holy Spirit lead me. Sometimes I
don't listen. You'll be like, don't say.
And I'm like, but I just gotta.
I just gotta prove my point. But
I have learned, especially with teenagers, it's
not about you and even the shepherd.
Because sometimes I don't want to lead
a group. I'll be honest. Sometimes I'm
busy with my family life, so I

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don't want to do this. Or if
someone needs you right away, you have
to figure out, my family still comes
first. But we have it where it's
God, my husband, my children. And in
the ministry, that's how I do it
in my household. And if I could
work things out, I don't just say,
forget the ministry. But I'm like, it's

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part of it because it's my calling.
So if someone needs me, it's the
middle of the night, someone needs me.
And then that's what I do. And
I'm trying to be sensitive to the
Holy Spirit and his leading and be
surrendered. And even with Bible study time,
sometimes I don't want to do it.
I'd be like, God, it's been two
years. I'm good. There are other people
who are prettier, more eloquent. They can

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do it. They can take over. And
then he'll send someone every single week
without FAI sale. Oh, I noticed you
haven't done it. Someone yesterday was like,
Oh, I watch your videos. And I
was like, okay, why did.

You say prettier girl? What that got
to do with sharing the social media?

Okay, with social media, if I say
this, you can sometimes get caught up
in the numbers and the aesthetics you
are putting in. It takes a lot
to edit videos. It takes a lot
to have the concept and ideas and.
And to just make sure you're not
repeating yourself over and over again. Because
the Bible does repeat, which is good,
because repetition helps you to learn and

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internalize it. But, you know, social media
people, you only have a minute and
a half, sometimes only 60 seconds, and
you need to capture that audience, people
who are more aesthetically pleasing in the
face. I'm not saying I'm not pretty,
but say, for instance, there's a difference
between how I look and how you
look. Automatically you're gonna get more attention.

No, no, no.

I'm not saying in a bad way.
You are beautiful.

You are, but you are too.

I am, but I'm not social media.

Okay, That's a whole. I feel like
this is a whole another crowd.

I'm just saying, like, even with.

I'm just over here.

No, but have you ever noticed with
podcasts, some of the people who are
just. I'm talking about church podcasts. They're
not very eloquent. You know, your Bible.
They don't know what they're talking about,
but they have a look to them
and people follow them.

Yeah.

And so I understand, especially now in
this climate, in this age in church,
it's about lights, camera, action. A lot
of times people look at some of
the churches that are very popular now.
People are flying across the country to
go to a certain church. They don't
even know what he's talking about. They're
just like, oh, everyone's doing it. It's
popular. And I think a surrendered life
is, hey, maybe you should go to

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the church next door. Maybe you should
help. Maybe you should be a part
of a ministry locked into that so
that you can help that flock grow.
And I know I'm going on a
tangent. I just mean, like, I. I
need to be surrendered and do what
he says. So there. You know, I've
had grandmothers and mothers call me and
say, oh, don't get back on camera
like that with your hair looking like

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that. So I just, you know, if
I'm gonna put that word out there,
I know I gotta look. At least
put some lip gloss on. Look aesthetically
pleasing.

Okay, well, that. I mean, if Peter
was writing to 2025, I don't know
if that'll be in his list of
things like make sure you have on
lip gloss.

He wouldn't care. But the people. People
nowadays.

Yeah. You know, but I think. Let's
say. Okay, so to move away a
little bit from that, because I don't
like that you're, you know, I'm beautiful.

You are. I am beautiful. But I
also know, you know.

Yeah, but you still, I think, like
having the. The heart being surrendered and
humble. I think that we actually talked
about that. It was one of the
week where it was like how your
beauty was more about just being that
woman of God.

And chapter three.

Yeah.

So we. That was something he actually
did address. Look at God. Thank you,
Holy Spirit, for leading me. But that
is something. So I think that just
you showing up and being who God
created you to do is a testimony
to his goodness. Because it's not about
how you adorn yourself on the outside.
It's more so what's coming from the
heart. And so, like, what is something

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from chapter five that really, like, you
feel like God has been speaking to
you about? From the message yesterday?

I. I think it was something I
read. I like how at the end
you did the seven things. I do
wish that you would have incorporated it
into the message along the way because
it was so powerful. And I was
like, oh, man, I wish you could
have stayed there a little bit longer.
It was just the way that you

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were talking about how you pray. And
then when you get up, maybe, you
know, the problem is still there, but
your focus is now on Him. And
so that care is not as providential.
And I like to cast my cares
on God.

And he.

He has been telling me in this
season, just give it to him. If
I'm worrying about it, then that means
that I'm not praying about it. If
I'm focusing more on the problem, then
I'm not focusing on him. Because all
throughout chapter five, he was saying how
his kindness is there, how he'll be
there for you. And I took. As
I read back, I took more from

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not just the elder part and the
people humbling themselves. I kept seeing about
how God. How it said, God loves
you, his kindness towards you, he's merciful,
he'll be there for you and in
Christ. And I'm like, in Christ, there's
healing, there's peace, there's love, there's. It's
like those little words that may just
seem like additives to the sentence. Those
are the ones that spoke to my

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heart. And just the caring piece Because
I can worry. I can worry about
my children and what's going on with
their future, worry about my husband and
even worry about the world and all
this stuff. And it's like, no, he.
None of this caught him by surprise.
He's not new to this. He's been
doing this for years. Give it to
him. So I roll my cares over
to him daily. I'd be like, God,

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that's yours. That's not mine. You sometimes,
like, you may hear, that's your child,
so take care of it.

Awesome. I mean, so I like how
you pointed out the seven things, and
I actually was gonna go there next.
Do you. Do you recall? I don't
want to. I can. I have a
list here, but do you want to
run through them really quickly for those
who weren't able to watch it?

Man, that's gonna be tough with. With
my. My cold brain.

That's what I'm saying. I got you
here.

So. So no. So it's. It starts
with prayer, then it's the Bible, then
it's worship, then it's God's presence. Then
it is changing what you say to
yourself. Leaning on people, God's people, and
then finally keeping your eyes on Jesus.

Yes. You did it. Look at you.

That cold brain didn't quite get the
exact language. So cast all your worries
in prayer. It's. What is it? Remain
in the word. Stay in the word.

Stay in the Word.

Stay in the word.

Worship.

Even when you're empty. Remember, God is
with you. Change what you say about
yourself.

I'm telling you, I'm pretty. I am.

I just know.

Yes.

Lean on God's people and keep your
eye on Jesus. I love. And this
was really, for you, the conclusion of
the whole.

Yeah, this.

This was.

This was all of First Peter. But
honestly, like, so those seven things, the
reason why I didn't do it, like,
throughout the message, is that they're not
all pulled from the text of First
Peter. They're just the things that. That
I've done over the years to try
and hang on when. When life is
bad kind of moments.

Yeah. And your. Your famous quote. What
is it? Life bad got good. Hang
on.

So it's my famous quote.

That's your famous quote.

That's what I'm renown for.

2025. That is your quote. Okay.

Not 2015 or 2016. What did I
say? You weren't there for that one.
I think it was third service.

Yeah.

Man, I was so tired. I was
like. I was teasing. What we're going
to be doing in 2026. I think
I said 2016. And everybody was like,
what it was.

That night Quilt man, something. No, I
loved, Pastor Brent, how you talked about.
Because there is a portion in chapter
in this verse where it talked about
being watchful of the enemy. I loved
how you. You kind of put like
those two extreme extremists. Like, there's a
people who are like, the devil did

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everything.

Like, he's. He's doing.

He did everything or he did nothing.
And the truth is he did something.

He did something. And I love how
you pointed that out, because as believers,
we should be watchful. And I like
how in this verse, it talks about
being so reminded so that you can
see clearly those areas where the enemy
is trying to attack and things of
that nature. How. How has that been
applying? How is that scripture encouraging you
in this season?

I think you have to be very
mindful of the breaches and how it
may come in. Kind of like think
back to Hurricane Katrina when the levees
broke. It's just that crack was enough
with the water pressure, and everything just
goes wide. And if you let the
spirit of offense, if you let anger

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linger, if you are not studying your
word, if you're not worshiping, if your
eyes are not fixed on him, then
he's going to use. He has jurisdictional.
What's the word? He has legal right
to come in and do whatever it
is he wants to do. If you
are going to bed angry and staying
angry and having that offense, you've given
the devil legal right to wreak havoc

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in your life. If you are speaking
words of condemnation instead of words that
deliver you, because death of life and
the power of tongue and those who
love should eat the fruit thereof, then
you are giving him the right to
come in. So we have to be
mindful. It's not to say that you
can't live your life, but you have
to know that, okay, the enemy is
trying to get a foothold. No, I

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sealed a breach in the name of
Jesus. You got to plead the blood
of Jesus. You have to tell him
where to go. You have to cast
those things out, like anxiety. Anxiety is
a spirit. We can sit there and
just like, I'm so anxious. I'm so
anxious, I'm so angry. No, you're inviting
him in. You have to cast it
out. Because he says, rejoice. And again,
I say rejoice. You know, let your
gentle be made known evidence to all

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be anxious for nothing. But in all
things suprand, supplication with Thanksgiving, blah, blah,
so you have to just be mindful,
know your word so that you can
identify things. And when it comes up,
immediately, cast it down immediately. We cannot
let him get a foothold because if
there's just a little crack, he's going
to come in. And what's the one
that says? Where the house they tie

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up the strong man? What's the verse?
Kind of like if, if you get
cleansed and you cast out. Yeah. He's
going to bring back seven more. So
you need to make sure that once
that devil is cast out. Oh, you
are ushering it. You are replacing it
with the word of God. You're replacing
it with prayer, you're replacing it with
worship, you're replacing it with people who

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are going to lift you up. Everything
that he was saying, you have to
replace it with that. And that is
how you are mindful of the devil.
And when his schemes and his tricks
and his wows when they come. No,
you draw that line and you let
him know they are no further. You,
you can't let them play with your
kids. You can't let them play with
your husband, your wife, whatever it is,
don't let him get a foothold in

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your life. Because when he gets that
right, he. The Bible says he came
to steal the purpose and the plan
of God for your life. Kill. Come
on now. He does not. He's upset.
He knows he's going to the abyss.
He wants to take you with him
and destroy. He wants to destroy everything
that God did. He is having a
counterfeit kingdom here on earth. So therefore,
it's up to us as kingdom citizens

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in order to let him know his
place. You can't have us. We're bloodblock
Christians. So therefore, we are not going
along with your story, your dynamic.

No, I mean, I feel like you
said so much that we have to
unpack for like, new believers who are
like, what is she talking about? Deliverance?
What is she talking about?

I think that's why we have a
small group. That's why we're going to
be going through the Bible next year
with Luke, just to explain those things
word by word. The main point is,
is that you have to be aware
of what you're saying, of what you're
doing, of what you're entering in. If
you're not strong enough, certain music you
can't listen to, if you're not discerning

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enough because you haven't gotten in your
word, then you may need someone else
to lead you for a while to
help walk you through those things. You
Just have to be aware. And the
more we're in our word, the more
he will bring us the revelation. Because
that's what the Holy Spirit does. He
leads us into all truth. So if
you had a Holy Spirit, then you
can be wise of what the devil

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does and you can stop his attacks
immediately. You just shut it down.

So application wise, since you are the
application queen, how would you, what would
you suggest to someone who, for example,
you bring up the word anxiety.

So you.

Oh, I'm sorry, no, I was gonna
say you bring up the word anxiety.
So what is some things that they
can do as new believers or someone
who's not familiar with the spirit of
anxiety? Like what can you do for
someone who struggles with anxiety? Because that
is on an all time high.

I think one thing you have to
change what you're saying. You. Some people
say, oh, my anxiety, my anxiety. You
are taking ownership of something that's not
yours, that is the enemy putting something
on you. And I think once we're
aware, just like if you have a
diagnosis in the hospital, you notice you've
been having this pain and everything, you

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don't realize what it is. But once
they clarify to you, hey, this is
your issue, then you know what to
do, then you'll have a plan of
care. So if you are feeling anxious
and even if you need to take
medication, because I am not against medication,
whatever you have to do to come
back into equilibrium, but you also take
the medicine of the word. You look
up every scripture on anxiety and you

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meditate on that word day and night
so that you can come to your
deliverance. Some people instantly, they're great. Others
of us, it takes a while, but
you are worth it as long as
it takes until you get to that
point where that anxiety, where you are
believing a false narrative for the future.
Usually when you're anxious, you're thinking that

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everything is going to go bad. You
don't know that. You don't know if
the worst outcome is going to come.
What you do is you focus on
Jesus. When you focus on him and
his Word, I'm telling you, it works.
You will be able to put on
your worship music like you said, you'll
be able, if you can't even pray,
just let the word of God just

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wash over you. If you have to
record yourself reading those scriptures and play
it over and over again until you
calm down. Because a lot of times
you have physical manifestations. You have sweating
and you have rapid breathing and your
heart rate increases. Whatever you have to
do, that word of God will change
you.

Good. Anything you want to add?

No, that was great.

Yeah, no, that's good. I like bringing
it back to, like, that application piece.
Because what I noticed in 2025, there
is a lot of new believers. And
I remember in our small group for
Grace Collective, I had brung up something.
I want to say a word. Like,
let's just say, for example, it was
Jezebel. Let's. That's a word that we.

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Someone was like, who's Jezebel? And I
was like, oh. Like, we really have
to, you know, unpack. You know, what
we're saying. Because it could be like,
that could just add more anxiety. They're
like, I got the spirit of anxiety,
and I don't even know what the
spirit of anxiety is, and I don't
even know how to get rid of
it.

He said, spirit of Jezebel. They like,
wait a minute, right? Who's. They have.
So, yeah.

And I love how Peter was so.
I mean, I feel like he kept
it very, like. I don't want to
say abc, but it was very. It's
very easy principles for us to understand.
And so when he wrote this letter
and they were taking it and passing
it, he want.

He.

The Holy Spirit tapped in, like, okay,
this is what I want you to
say. I want it to be very
clear. There is no confusion.

Yeah.

Could you imagine getting a letter? And
they're like, and you better. I'm just
using spirit of anxiety because you said
it. Because you're about to get in
a letter. And it was just that
detail. Like, for the mature believers, we
would understand. But for those new in
crisis, like, I don't even know.

Just starting. Like, I know you said
it's been 30 years, but 30 years
is a babe in Christ with the
new church. We've had this word for
2,000 years. So it's like 30 years.
They like, wait a minute. I'm getting
an oppression from Rome. What are you
talking about?

Spirit of.

It's like, I am anxious. You see
what they're doing? We. Because what they
were getting oppressed about a lot of
is that they weren't following along with
the Roman traditions. So some of them
weren't joining the armies because they didn't
want to say the oath of what?
And pledging their allegiance to Caesar or
Nero, whoever was in charge, and they
were getting, you know, chastised for that.

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So it's like. It's hard to be
like, well, what do you mean? I
just can't be anxious. And this. I
think his Letter was saying, you can
cast those cares. You will go through
hard times, but take heart. God's love
is there. He will take care of
you. And if you are anxious, know
that he has overcome the world. And
then you don't have to be anxious
for anything because our hope is in
Jesus.

That's good. So it's. I'm gonna give
it. I'm gonna let you pass today
since you're not feeling that good.

Did you want me to jump in.

On something so she has something to
piggyback off of?

Oh, man, I don't know. I. I
think it is. It is fun as
the communicator on stage, knowing the audience
that we have.

Yeah.

Whereas, like, literally, we got people that
are not Christian, we got people that
are brand new Christians. We got people
that have been walking through this thing
for decades. I mean, our guitar player
is about to get his. He's starting
his doctoral program for ministry. Like, wow,
that's our guitar player. Like, the number

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of people that I meet in our
lobby that are like, oh, yeah, it
was pastor at this place for 20
years. And I'm like, oh, awesome.

Right, right.

It's just such a. Yeah. It makes
those conversations a lot more interesting because
from the stage, you have to be
able to connect and engage with a
person that has no idea what you're
talking about. And the person that actually
knows the Greek better than you do.

Yeah, I'm sure that's a challenge. But
you do a good job. You do
a good job at doing it.

We try. We try our best.

The Lord.

Just stick to the book.

Yes. When I was reading through this
chapter again this morning, I like to
read through it. But before we dive
into conversation, something that really stood out
to me was that in verse nine,
it says, resist him, which is. Is
talking about the. The devil, our enemy,
our adversary. Resist him, firm in your.

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Well, let me read. Let me start
at verse 8. Be so reminded. Be
watchful. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around
like a roaring lion seeking someone to
devour. Resist him, firming your faith, knowing
that the same kinds of suffering are
being experienced by your brotherhood throughout the
world. And after you've suffered a little

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while, the God of all grace, who
have called you to his eternal glory
in Christ will himself restore you, confirm
and strengthen and establish you. And I
really want to unpack that because that
was so encouraging. And I feel like
it'll be encouraging to our listeners. So,
I don't know, you want to take
the lead and maybe you can chime
in.

What exactly Are you wanting me unpack?
Maybe that's my cold brain.

Yes, you're cold.

You just read like four verses.

I know. So this part where it's
saying, of course, resist the enemy, like,
what does that mean specifically? And then
standing firm and then suffering for a
little while, and then God will restore
you, confirm you and establish you, like,
what does that mean for me as
a believer here in 2025?

Yeah. So. So the, the first part
that is temptation, sin, the devil's going
to tempt you with all kinds of
different things. Like, even when we got
into the seven things, like one of
the temptations the devil throws at you
is to be alone.

Yeah.

Like, when life is bad, when you're.
You're having a frustrating day, you want
to just go be by yourself, so
you can cry. But it's actually, it's
really dangerous for you to be alone.
I mean, the, the imagery that, that
Peter is giving us with this roaring
lion, like, the, the lion is kind
of a lazy hunter in that the,
the lion isn't going to go after

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the biggest animal. It's going to go
after the one that's at the back
of the pack. Like, it's going to
go after the one that's easy to
grab. And so as Christians, like, that's
the imagery that, that Peter is portraying
for us, that it's actually when you're
in isolation, when you're all by yourself,
it's when the devil can, can attack
the most. And so resist him. Like,

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don't fall for his schemes, don't listen
to his lies. Like, fight against him.
That's why Paul gives us in Ephesians
the full armor of God. Like, put
on the armor. Like you're in a
battle, you're in a fight. Like, that's
why we can't treat the devil like
he doesn't exist. Like, he's there. That's
why the Bible tells us so much
about spiritual warfare. And so resisting him

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is man. It's going to look a
little bit different depending on what the
temptation is or what the sin is.
But the Bible's pretty clear on what
we're supposed to be doing, what we're
not supposed to be doing. And so
when the devil is tempting you to
do one of those things that you're
not supposed to be doing or to
stop you from doing the thing that
you're supposed to be doing, like, don't
fall for it. Like, that's, that's the
resisting him, the suffering for a little

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while. Like, he, he's saying that in
direct connection to the resisting the devil.
Like, some people feel like, well, if
I. If I resist the devil, then
life's going to be great and it's
going to be so easy. It's like,
well, no, sometimes, like, you suffer as
a result of that. Like, you may
have a temptation at your work to.
To lie on a resume or to
lie on a worksheet or something. And

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the result of you resisting that temptation
is you get fired because your boss
is like, no, I needed you to
do this shady thing to make us
look good. And you're like, well, I
can't. I can't lie. Okay, well, then
you're fired.

Yeah.

Okay. So you're suffering for doing the
right thing.

Yeah.

And that's very real in the Christian
life. Like, I mean, I've talked to
people who are like, man, I told
my girlfriend I wasn't going to have
sex before marriage, and she dumped me.
And he's like, but I thought that
was the person I was supposed to
marry. And so. Well, clearly it wasn't.
Like, if. If that's their moral value.
Like, clearly not, but that person is
still suffering. And the fact that somebody
that they love just left them. But

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so this idea that just because you're
doing the right thing means you're not
going to suffer. Like, it's. That's just
not present in the Bible. And so,
yeah, you're going to suffer. But Peter
is very quick to point out that
you're. It's going to be a little
while.

Yeah.

And that's what Peter does over and
over again in. In this letter, is
he keeps pointing them towards, yes, I
know that you're suffering right now. Yes,
I know that Rome is doing all
kinds of things, that it's getting ugly.
And whether Peter knows it or not,
it's about to get a whole lot
worse. Like, over the next two years
after he writes, this is the most
horrific time for Christians in the history
of the world. And yet he says,

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hey, this is temporary. It's like Paul
talks about several times where it's like
the momentary afflictions. It's like Paul's describing
being the same beating that Jesus took
before the cross multiple times. Multiple shipwrecks,
multiple sicknesses, stoning. Right? Like, all of
this stuff. And he's like, these momentary
light afflictions. Like, it's like lights. Like,

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please. Like, we get a stubbed toe
and we're like, the world is ending.
And so, like, both of these guys,
Peter and Paul, like, they're telling us,
like, hey, suffering Is real, but it's
also temporary. It's also short term. And
short term could mean 30 years. But
30 years of suffering compared to an
eternity of glory, like, that's momentary.

That's, that's.

That's light. And so it's just about
keeping that perspective. So, like, yes, we're
resisting the devil. We are going to
suffer. We may suffer in a direct
result of our resisting the devil, but
either way, like, hang on, because the
restoration that comes is amazing. And it's
God's promise. Chapter five ties right back
into chapter one, where he says that

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this hope that we have, this living
hope, this inheritance that we have is
held secure for us in heaven by
God's mighty power. So it's God himself
that we're trusting in. And so that's
the hope that we have for the
future is Christ's return.

Yeah, that's good. See you. It was
in you. You can unpacked it.

I don't have any.

I don't have much.

I mean, I didn't know what you
were looking for, so I just threw
out the kitchen sink.

Yeah.

And hopefully something stuck.

No, that was really good. Because when
I read it, I know for me
it was an encouragement, but I felt
like it would have been. It was
something good to unpack for those who
are watching. So let's know.

It's exciting. It's a very exciting close
in the chapter.

Yeah, it is. So with that, we
like to do something here called Land
that plane. I need a sign. Can
we get a sign? Reuben, can I
have a sign? There you go. Land
that plane.

Neon. Neon. Right up there. Yes, Superimpose.

Like, just fly across.

Get the editors on it.

Come on.

Land the plane. And so when we
land a plane, we give a takeaway
for the sermon. Something to encourage our
listeners or watchers who are watching us
to just something, some type of application
piece that they take away from the
conversation. So what's something you would leave
those watching with?

I believe that Christ is with you.
And no matter what you are facing
yesterday, today or tomorrow, you have to
suffer. Well. And I know that that
is a hard thing to do. But
there are people who are watching you.
And it's not to be phony, but
it's to be honest about everything. Isn't
the devil. You have to be real

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with what you can do to be
better. But if they are, if God
allowed it to happen, understand that he'll
bring you through it. So these afflictions
are light and they are temporary. But
like you said, it could Last for
a very long time. It could last
a short time. But what never changes
is the presence of God being there.
He will build you up. He will
be there for you. He will love

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you. And in Christ you will make
it. You are more than an overcomer.
You are more than a conqueror through
him. And. And no matter what, he
is with you. His grace and his
love and his peace will abide with
you. And it'll carry you through anything.

That was good. We don't rate anymore,
but if we rate it, I would
give you a top tier. Eight or
nine. That was good.

What's your takeaway?

Why would you. Okay.

I had to sneak it in.

I know. I normally go less as
I close us out. I think just
the scripture that really stuck out to
me was like, stand firm. Like, I've
been saying this since we started this
discussion on First Peter. Like, it's very
applicable to where we are now in
the world. Like, there is a lot

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going on and happening where God is
reminding us through this passage to, we
are foreigners of this world, and we
need to stand strong and firm on
the convictions we have as believers, you
know, of God. And it will. It
will pay off. You may suffer a
little bit for those. You will suffer

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for those convictions, but just stand firm
and you'll get through. We'll make it
through this ratchet world. So just stand
firm.

Nice. Before I give mine, I did
make a promise. I think it was
only in one of the services. I
think it was second service that I
was going to give my opinion on
by Sylvanas, which. Which interpretation that means,
okay, I didn't do it in all.
All services, but just in case somebody
from whatever service it was listening. So
by Silvanus could mean Silvanus was. And

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Silvanus is also. Also named Silas in
the Bible. So you see his name
pop up a bunch. And so either
he wrote it as the scribe. So
like Peter sitting there dictating to Silas,
or Silas was just the. The guy
that Peter handed the letter to and
he walked it over to the churches
in Ephesus. So he's either scribe or

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he's. He's the courier.

I love that stuff, don't you?

I do. It's the nerd in me.
Like, it's just.

He saw someone in the second service.

It was you. It was you.

No, no, no, no, no. When I
was preaching, I said, I'll tell you
which opinion I think.

Okay.

In the podcast. And so I think
that he was scribe. And I. I
don't have strong opinions on it. The
Reason why I would lean towards that
interpretation is that there have been some
complaints that First Peter couldn't be written
by Peter because he was a fisherman
and uneducated. And the Greek style of
writing in First Peter is very high.

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Like, it's still koine Greek, it's still
the common Greek, but it's written like
somebody that's had a deep education. And
so people have tried to say that
Peter couldn't have written it because of
that, which I don't. Even though I
think that, yeah, probably Silvanus was the
scribe that helped him write it. I
don't think that that means it's the

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only possibility. I think it's 30 years
later. Who knows how Peter has been
educated in those 30 years. He's also
had 30 years with the Holy Spirit.
So, like, his. His grammar could have
improved by that point, but the. The
writing structure and the grammar used in
1st Peter is elevated beyond what would
be typical of the era and the.
The people. And so by Silvanus, it

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could very well be that he was.
Peter was dictating and Silvanus was writing
it down. But I don't think it
really matters at the end of the
day. It's one of those things that
scholars fight about.

Yeah.

And you'll literally, if you pull up
10 different scholars, you'll get five that
say he was the scribe and five
that say that he was the courier.

I just wonder why people do that.

The semantics. It's like, it does not
matter. It's like the word of God.

Well, the. And the reason why. The
reason why it's become a heated thing
is because it's. It does lead into
the authenticity of authorship.

But if the Holy Spirit inspired 40
people, 40 different people, to kind of
have the same consensus, in my world,
it doesn't matter if he was learned
or unlearned. Like, when each of you.
Have you written a book? Yeah. You're
working on it, right?

Nope.

You've written a book. When you wrote
your book, when you read it back,
did you surprise yourself at some of
the words you like? Oh, wow. I
did that.

Like, yeah. And I. I had editors,
so I don't know if they were
called scribes.

And. And that's very. Like. That's part
of the argument. Like. Like Sylvanas would
have been an editor in a sense.
So.

But it's still his words, Peter's words
and his ideas. And I have ghost
written books too. So, like, I've made
stories sound a lot more exciting.

I just didn't want to lie.

No, I ghost I just.

It's a.

Is I.

No.

Don't do that to me. So what.
What's your takeaway?

Sas is his takeaway.

My takeaway is that the Taisha needs
to resist the devil.

No, Taisha's making money.

No, I did not lie. I just
made it sound fancy.

There you go. I got it. I'm
with you. Okay.

She put lipstick on it.

Oh, my goodness.

Put some lip gloss. There you go,
man. I don't know what my. My
takeaway is. First Peter, chapter five. I
think the encouragement from. From Peter to
his fellow elders. I don't know why,
but I think that. That just really
stuck out to me this time in

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reading it, like, there's so many good
things, you know, verses six and seven.
I love how they actually work together
when so many people just quote seven
without reading verse six. And it's actually
important to read them together. But for
me, I think in this season, it's
just that reminder that, like, Peter was,
like, he was the guy, and yet
he referred to himself not as the

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apostle, not as the head of the
church, not as the authority in this
conversation, but as a fellow elder. And
so it's just a reminder of my
role and the humility that's required in
it. I don't know. That was just.
Personally, for me, that was. That was
like a. Okay, good. Good reminder.

And by Savannah.

By Sylvanas.

Sure. Yeah.

That was good. Well, we are done
with First Peter for. For now, probably
for a while, because you announced that
we're about to walk.

Through the entire New Testament. Yeah, that's.
That's gonna be a long journey. So
we've mapped out some of it, and,
like, I kid you not, like, at
least a decade, because I was in
that meeting. You were in that meeting?

Yeah.

It's funny because it started off like.
Like, three years, and then it was
five years, and then it was 10
years, and then it was like, let's
just stop putting years on it. Like,
we're just going to take as long
as it takes, which is fine, because,
like, the Book of Luke, we were
like, yeah, we can probably get through
the Book of Luke in a couple
of months. And then I, like, actually,
like, while everybody's eating lunch, I'm, like,
reading through Luke, and I'm like, yeah,

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I'm gonna need, like, a month just
to get through this chapter.

Yeah.

Make concessions for, like, topical sermons. Like,
if something's going on in the world,
would you speak? Like, would you interrupt
your plan to.

Not necessarily. Because we don't do that.
Currently, like, we don't. We don't speak
on current events, like.

As a current events, but like Easter.
Would you.

Yeah, yeah. So for that. Yeah. So
we, we do have breaks. So four
times a year we'll have like a
missions focus, so a standalone message. And
then Easter, Christmas, and the Sunday of
first love will all be outside of
the. Whatever book we're going through. And
then I think the Sunday. What do
we decide the Sunday after Easter? We'll

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throw in our hot seat, our Q
and A Sunday, to give kind of
a breath for some people, but also
give a chance to be able to
address some things that maybe we haven't
been covering.

Yeah.

Because that is. That was one of
our biggest struggles in that meeting that
lasted all day long. Was there. The
book of Luke is an amazing book.
All the Gospels are awesome. But Jesus
doesn't necessarily address all of the Christian
life within the Gospels. And so there's.
There's some family dynamics that are not
going to be addressed. There's some sin

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issues that aren't addressed. There's like mental
health stuff that isn't addressed. And so
we're looking for ways to kind of
almost supplement those things. So our Wednesday
teachings and other things are going to
kind of help bridge some of those
gaps. But. Yeah, so I think it's.
What. What do we come down to?
It's like 46 out of the 52

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Sundays will be part of the chapter.

Yeah. And it'll be a great experience.
Like, I know when we talk about
it, it's like, oh, it's gonna be
so long. But it's like really having
opportunity to walk through Luke. We're gonna
have some fun interactive things that you
can include with this journey. And I
think that the word of God is
just active and alive. So, like, I
know we're used to topical. We're used

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to topical messages, but I feel like
walking through the Word like he's going
to be speaking to us. There's topics
within the.

The.

Yeah.

And this isn't something that is new
to Christianity.

Right.

There's churches all over the world. This
is the only thing they've ever done.

Right.

It's just, It's a shift for us
as a congregation. We've. For 35 years,
we've been a topical sermon series kind
of church. So this is definitely a
departure from that for the most part,
which will be unusual for. For us,
but I think it'll be good. And,
you know, part of. Part of the
fun thing with this kind of just

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walk through is it's going to give
all of us a better understanding and
a better appreciation of the Scripture. And
so the plan right now is we
do Luke and then we do Acts
back to back. That's probably going to
take us three years, is my estimation.

I think you should take years off.
Yeah, stop saying the years.

I said probably an estimation. Probably an
estimation.

Who's sitting in the sanctuary and hearing
that? The first thing, not me, but
some people may be like, oh, that's
gonna be so boring. And it may
draw people away. I think my opinion,
if you would just be like, we're
gonna take whatever however long it takes
to get through it. We're gonna go
through Luke and then Acts and don't
even put a time frame because that
time frame thing to you is exciting.

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It may not be as exciting to
everybody else. We love the Bible like
that. But there are some new believers.
They're like, oh, Jesus, I fall asleep
reading.

Well, there's a lot of new believers
who want to get into the Word.
Like, I met someone recently. She's like,
I just. I don't understand the Bible.
So I think it'll. You'll get your
crowd. But I just. One of you
were talking, I just saw your hat,
and it said, make disciples. I mean,
how do we make disciples of. Jesus
Christ is teaching the word of God,
which is the transformation. That's the transformation

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that happens is when they hear the
word of God.

And if, if you've been bored walking
through first Peter, then, yeah, you might
be bored for a while. And that.
That might just be an indication that
this isn't the right church for you.

I was just saying take the time
frame off it. Like, you, you know,
just like, oh, we're going to get
out of debt in five years. You're
like, what? Five years? Just say we're
going to.

You just don't like numbers. You don't
like numbers. I take that that is
a. Jason.

Is the math person. But yeah, so.
So the plan is we're walking through
Luke, then Acts, and then we're going
to do some of the epistles, some
of the letters, and we'll come back
to a gospel. Like, we'll. We're going
to spread out the gospels over the
next journey. So it won't be all
four gospels in a row. It'll be
Gospel letter.

See how that sounded?

Very good. Good. We, we. It's a
lot. We're shifting a lot here, but
the Holy Spirit is here. We're so
glad you joined us here on between
sermons. Let us know if you have
any questions. And you were definitely open
to having conversation about walking through the
Book of Luke and how that looks
like Pastor Brain is always putting himself
on the chopping block. So if you

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have questions, let us know. And I
will do my best as creative director
to make sure that you're engaged and
excited. And we're, we're going to have
a good time, but we are excited
you joined us here. And until next
week, we'll see you soon.

Love you.

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