Trust, Serve & Repent Like David

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Lashon Brown Jr. (00:00):
Foreign.

Pastor Brent McQuay (00:10):
Welcome back to another episode of Between
Sermons. If it's your first time here,
what we do is we take the
Sunday monologue, the sermon, you know, guy
standing on a stage talking at you,
and we turn it into dialogue where
we can actually sit down, dig a
little bit deeper, talk about maybe some
of the stuff that we kind of
just skim past in the message. And
so I hope that this conversation is

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going to be beneficial for you. And
as always, really, the one doing the
heavy lifting today is our wonderful co
host, Taisha.

Ti'heasha Beasley (00:40):
Why am I clapping for yourself?

You're like, yay, he acknowledged me.

No, it's right.

I do the hard work here.

You know, we're not going to revisit
that conversation. We talked about it last
week. When someone. Let's get Lashawn to
chime in. When someone's the co host.
Who's leading the show. The host or
the co host?

Co host leader.

The host. Say it louder.

See, I disagree. I think the term
co means equal.

I'm just joking.

In it together, y' all.

Both.

Right, okay, Right. But it was so
funny because in your intro, you were
like, on Sunday, you see the man
standing on the stage and I was
like, yesterday you were the man. You
were the man standing on the stairs.

Is that like a. Nathan, you're the
man.

You're the man.

I don't want that one.

No, no, it's more like, you're the
man. I loved how you. You said
that. Did you see, did you catch
that piece when he was like, you're
the man. That Nathan said to David.
And then it was like, not, you're
the man, but like, you're the man.

No, like, you the man. Like, yeah.

And the. The sad thing is there's
a lot of people in society that
would be like, high fiving. David be
like, man.

Right? Good job.

You're the man.

Yep. In 2025, you're right.

No, no, that's not how we play.

No, that part was hilarious. That was
funny.

It was so cool. So we are
still in our called sermon series and
I've been loving it so far. How
about you, Lashawn?

Been amazing, man. I text PB yesterday.
I'm such a fan.

You're a fan of Brent?

Oh, yes.

Really? Unpack this.

Oh, my God, please stop. Put me
on stop.

That is not the purpose of this.

I'm just playing. People want to know
I'm people and I'm just playing. We
can talk later.

Oh, grid.

Yeah.

Off grid.

Okay.

So special.

But you are a fan. Of Pastor
Brett. The sermon, though, how the sermon
series do you think is something as
relevant to 2025 or just now for
God's people?

The call series? Yeah, it's. I think
people just want to know about the
characters that we read about. You know
what I'm saying? So having a clear
picture, a viewpoint on what we're reading,
it will help us kind of understand
their life, the way they move. I
love what PB said yesterday. The Bible
is so interesting. I tell people it's

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like, I'm visual. So when I read
the Bible, I literally see, like, a
movie in my head. So I'll just
be seeing all these. I'm like, this
is crazy. So just seeing, like, David.
David's like, one of my favorite Bible
characters.

Really?

Yeah. I feel like I relate to
him so much, from the music aspect
to lust. That's one of my testimonies,
dealing with pornography addiction and stuff like
that. So I haven't killed nobody. I
want to say that. But, yeah. Just
seeing David's life, his humility and his
heart after God has always inspired me,

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man. So, yeah, I think the cause
is important so we can learn more
about who we're reading about.

So, yeah, I do like that Even
how you shared seeing his life and
unpacking it, how you relate to it.
So I. That's my prayer for this
series, is that people find a character
and they're like, man, this is very
similar to my story. Was that kind
of the.

Yeah, to a degree. Like it. So
we're. We always want to be able
to see, like, what is the modern.
I don't know. Application.

Yeah.

For these. These stories, because these are
real people going through real situations, and
we're real people going through real situations.
So there's parallels and there's lessons that
we can learn. It's definitely week one,
two, four, and five are definitely gonna
be like, oh, I can identify with
that guy. I want to do it
like that guy. Next week is gonna
be the opposite of that, though.

Okay.

Next week is gonna be. Here's the
guy that screwed it all up. Don't
be like, this guy. So that'll be
fun.

Some people may be able to.

Yeah, I mean, we can all relate
to failures, too. I mean, we looked
at a failure of David yesterday, and
we can all relate to failures. But,
like, next week is on Saul, and,
like, Saul's entire story is just like,
no, don't do this, don't do this,
don't do this, don't do this, don't
do this.

So help Us unpack David before we
get into conversation. So what's a little
bit of David's story and what you
kind of covered in your message yesterday,
man.

A little bit of David's story is
hard to do. So David is the
second most mentioned person in the Bible.
It's Jesus and then him and then
Moses. And David and Moses are actually
really close to each other as far
as how many chapters we actually have
about their life. There's technically more written
around Moses, but it's not about Moses,

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if that makes sense, in the same
way that it's actually about David. So,
like, Moses name shows up in the
New Testament more than David's name. Anyways.
How do you know nerdy things that
don't matter to anybody's salvation one day?

Were you just counting, like, research? Chat.
Chat was. Have you named your chat?

No.

Okay. Anyway, let's keep moving.

I don't know that I use chat
enough to.

To name it. Okay.

To name it.

I call my best friend.

I do think chat can be a
great research tool.

Yeah.

I'm actually gonna sit in on a
live stream. I think it's tomorrow.

Okay.

About, like, using AI for. For research
purposes. The thing that you have to
be cautious with is I've had a
few people catch AI like, lying.

Yeah.

Like, making up quotes and stuff. So,
like, you kind of have to, like,
use it as, like, the starting point
and then continue your research. It's a
little bit dangerous to just be like,
AI, tell me how to live my
life.

How many times Moses and David listed.

But anyways, so. So. So, yeah, fun
times. So. So basically what I'm getting
at is we've got a lot of
David stuff story. And so if you
want to know David's story, you have
to read nearly all of First Samuel.
He shows up in. I forget now,
is chapter six or chapter 13 somewhere
in there. And then you have to

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read all of that. Then you have
to read, like, most of, if not
all of Two Samuel. So First Samuel,
you get David before being king. Second
Samuel, you get David as king. And
there's just a lot of stories there,
a lot of fascination. So we just
narrowed it down to three moments. On
Sunday, we looked at his anointing, like
the actual moment when he is anointed

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to be king by Samuel. Then we
looked at his. What I would argue
his greatest victory. He had other victories
that were probably more monumental. But it's
David and Goliath. Like, like, literally, like
everybody. Like, it's become a popular phrase.

Right.

Like, for people that don't even read
the Bible or know about the Bible.
The underdog beating the top dog is
always a David versus Goliath moment. It's
like, it's very iconic. And then the
third moment we looked at was what
I would probably argue his greatest failure.
And he did have other failures. If
you are a father, don't take your

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father advice from David. He was maybe
the worst dad in the Bible. And
so, yeah, so he had some major
failures as a parent with his kids,
but his failure with Bathsheba is pretty
iconic as well.

Iconic failure?

How do you have a top tier
failure? I don't know, man. It's just
bad. So, yeah, so David breaks. I
say half of the ten Commandments for
other people say all ten Commandments, but
it's like, I don't know, they took
the Lord's name in vain in doing
this. You have to twist it in
order for that to fit. Like, did
he not honor his father and mother?

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Well, like, I mean, maybe like, his
mom and dad probably didn't want him
to do that. But then there's also
this whole theology of, like, it's possible
that David was born out of an
affair.

Stop.

Because, no, there's a song where he
says, out of iniquity, I was conceived.
And so, like, it doesn't.

It doesn't sound like I read that.

Well, like, it doesn't. It doesn't. It's
not a statement that, like, guarantees, oh,
his. His mom had an affair and
that's how David was born. But it
fits some of the narrative. It's like,
maybe that's why Jesse was like, let's
not include David in this. But the
Bible isn't specific enough for us to
definitively say yes or no. Because there's
other explanations for. For all that stuff,

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too. Was that enough nerding out for
you?

That was good. But you're right. I
feel like there's so much more to
his story.

Oh, man, really good. David's story. Like,
his. His whole interaction with Saul, you
know, cutting off the edge of his
robe and then repenting of it. And,
like, his relationship with Jonathan, his mighty
men that he puts together. Like, it's
just. There's all kinds of great stuff.

Do we have a David movie that.

I've said that before. Like, we need.
We need a good David movie. But
it would have to be like a
whole series of movies because, like, I
think you'd have to just rapid fire.
You'd have to skip over so many
amazing stories and moments. You've got David
Encouraging himself in the Lord when his
men are about to revolt against him.
Like, you got David in the cave,
bringing this group of misfits all together.

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Like David. There's so many good David
stories.

They do have the series, the House
of David series.

I haven't seen it, but I've heard
mixed things. But mostly positive.

Yeah, it's good. So in the, in
the series, to kind of give that
concept of David was born out of.
Out of affair.

Wow.

To kind of get context of why
his dad and stuff like that. And.
Yeah. So it's, it's. It's a. I
tell people when you watch, when you
watch Bible movies or series, don't just
go off that because it's also some
form of entertainment.

Right.

You know what I'm saying? So they
add things.

They have creative liberties.

But it's like when you read your
word, it's like, man, I get to
like visually see.

Yeah.

See this on screen. It was just
amazing. Like, it was for me the
most. The dopest part was seeing an
actual giant look like a giant in
a movie. Not them just framing the
camera, making him look big. So he
actually looked like huge. Like Goliath did.

Yeah. Yeah. I need to binge that.

Yeah.

Been binging everything but biblical things.

I'm just stay out of the conversation
or else I'm get people mad at
me that I still haven't watched Chosen.

You. Yeah.

Every time I bring it up, somebody's
like, how are you even a Christian?

I'm like, how? I think we should
vote him off.

The scene until I watch Chosen. How
many seasons are there now?

It might take me a while.

That's even like a chosen movie, isn't
it?

Yeah, but it's, it's. It's not, it's
not the same.

It's not the same as the series.
I agree.

Yeah.

So when I. When I think about
David's life, the thing that stands out
to me is God said that he
was a man after his own heart.
What. How does that make you feel?
Like, first of all, does God have
favorites? Can we. I need to unpack
that. Because, like, there's a lot of
people in scripture. But for him to

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say, like, this is a man after
my own heart. Why do you think
that was something given to him?

I think relationship, you know, after his
own heart. I believe, man, David knew
God's heart cause he was in relationship
with him. And I think that's why
I love David so much. Cause I
see other like characters in the Bible
where almost they didn't seem as favorites.

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It's like David just kept doing and
doing and God, like, it's all right,
man. You know, he's after my heart.
I think having kids gave me a
perspective of. I don't think God has
favorites. I think it's certain connections with
your kids is different than this kid,
this child. So it's certain things that

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Chloe do that's like, oh, my God.
You know what I'm saying? And certain
things that Melody do, that's just amazing
as well. And I think that's just
the beauty of God, of us all
having our own connection, relationship with God,
God and stuff like that. But, yeah,
I just always saw David as PB
spoke yesterday. No matter what situation, what.

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What he did or sin he committed,
he always went back to his first
love, which is being in the. In
the. In the fields, being by himself
with just him and God and just
learning and just speaking with God and
stuff like that. So, yeah, a man
after. After God's heart. I wanted to
please God. Wanted to just be with

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him. Just not wanting to lose it.
What's that scripture where he says, don't
take your spirit from me. Just do
the vac. You can take everything else.
Like, I would be sad. I'll be,
you know, mad that I lost that.
But I see the importance of having
your. Your spirit with me. So, yeah,
that's good. Yeah.

So I'm thinking about that. The beginning
of David's life when he was the
least likely. Like, like you shared Pastor
Brent, how they were c. They went
to his father, was like, show me
your sons.

And.

And they forget to show David. And
it's like the father's like, well, because
you. Do you really want David? So,
like, unpack that. Like what?

So, yeah, so it is a. It
is a really funny theme throughout the
Bible. Like, the bless. The largest blessing
always goes to the firstborn. Except when
it doesn't.

Yeah.

And it's one of those where it's
like. I think we actually see more
like specific cases of where it doesn't
than when it does. Like, even, like
Joseph's boys. Like, his father, like, flips
his hands around and blesses the wrong
kid. You've got. Which. Why am I
blanking on names right now? Jacob and
Esau. You got. Esau is the oldest,

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but Jacob gets the blessing. You've got
Joseph, who's the second to youngest. You.
You've got David, who is the youngest.
Like, it's constantly man. But yeah, like,
Jewish culture is all about the firstborn
gets the double Portion the double anointing.
And so like when you are picking
kings, you go to the firstborn. Like,
it's obvious, right? Like, and even societally,

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like, we, we've kind of done the
same thing like throughout history. It's the
firstborn son that takes over for the
father. And so it's just, it's just
funny to me that like so much
of the Jewish culture and everything in
the Bible is all about the, this
firstborn. And then God just constantly is
picking somebody else, which just, I think
it just really goes back to I

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can preach. I think it just goes
back to that statement where God is
telling Samuel, like, don't look at the
outward appearance. I know that everything says
it should be a liability. Everything said,
he's the oldest, he's the strongest, he's
the tallest, he's, he's handsome. Like, he.
Everything points to him. But all of
that is out external. It's all superficial.

Yeah.

And God's like, no, I'm looking for
somebody whose heart is after me. And
so when God looks at the heart,
man, it's so much more important than
all the fluff on the outside.

I want to know how much bigger.
Because in scripture it talks about how
David said he was brown, handsome, strong
man. How did his brothers look? Because
that he was, you know, compared.

To them, he was like, it had
to be a good looking family. It
had to be a good looking family.
They're all.

He must have been like, bowed like.

Body ruddy and handsome.

That's it, man. So, okay, Lashawn, let's.
Let's go a little deeper. Was there
a time in your life where you
felt like you were the least likely,
you know, given where you are now?
You are our worship director here at
Disciples Church. Are you killing it? We
all agree you are. God is using
you and you're very humble about it,

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so we appreciate that. So tell us
your journey. Like, was there at least
likely moment where he was like, I
will never probably be chosen for something
like this. What. What's your origin story?
Is. Am I saying that correctly?

Origin?

Yes, sorry, we were talking about like
Marvel and DC before.

Yes.

I would say all my life I
felt hidden. I felt like David just
kind of one that was in the
back. Even still to this day, I.
I'm content with being hidden. But for
the longest man, it was like, man,
why is this person. I'm living right?
I love God. I know this person

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is. They really don't have a heart
for God, but they're growing. Their ministry
is going Their music is doing amazing.
I believe God protects those he love.
And what I've learned was, because of
what I carry, as I learned.

He.

Doesn'T want me to go down the
same path. So sometimes it's stuff that
we don't see in ourselves that God
wants us to handle and to take
care of so we can be true
representation. Representation of what he's called us
to be and stuff. So, yeah, I've
always felt in the background a pk.
Both sides. Both my grandfathers were pastors,

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and then my dad ended up becoming
a pastor as well. And I was
just a little kid. A drummer.

The drummer.

I played drums. Yeah, that's.

Did you know he could play? Really?

Of course I know.

Lashan or something.

We talk.

Y' all talk.

We know each other.

Okay.

I didn't know.

Yeah. So, yeah, that's my first interview.
That's my girl, Sydney. Yeah, man. So,
yeah, I just play drums, and then
I just wanted to be in the
background. What's crazy is people laugh. Nobody
even knew I could sing until I
was about 13, 14. I would purposely
sing bad when my family was around

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just so they wouldn't. Yeah, it was
crazy.

How do you fake that singing?

Well, I don't know. I think it's
a gift.

It's a gift to fake.

It's a gift to fake.

You do relate to David.

I'm just playing, just so you know.
I have that gift.

You got that gift.

I just don't have the other one
where you can actually sing. Well, I
just have the gift where you can
sing badly. That's my gift.

That's hilarious.

Oh, gosh.

But, yeah, so. So I. I would
say I hit myself.

Wow.

Because I. I didn't want to be.
Honestly, I didn't. I didn't want to
do ministry. I saw the. The background.
I saw the. The struggles. I saw
my dad. Sometime I felt he would
pick ministry over us. He would go
to hospital. I wanted him to be
at a game or something. I gotta
go pray for you, know what I'm
saying? So unintentionally, I ran from the

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call. And so fast forward high school,
that's when I really got serious with
my walk with God. He began to
transition me off drums to leading worship.
And so, like, emotion, I'm just playing.
You got promotion? Yeah, man. I really
felt God calling me to do. To

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do ministry and to do things and
started getting prophetic words. God would show
me things in my dreams and of
leading worship. This is so crazy, and
I hope this happens. People probably Gonna
think I'm crazy. I remember seeing, like,
when I was younger, I was like,
in the middle of a football field.
It almost looked like Super Bowl. And

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it was just worship. It was like,
so powerful. It was like hundreds of
thousands of people worshiping. And it was
such a powerful sound that the stadium
was literally shaking.

Oh, wow.

Like this. And so those are things
that I have dream, like I've dreamed
about, that I have goals to see
and stuff like that. But in that,
because I was shown that I was
like, man, where is it, like, you
showing me these things? Like, where's the
things God, that you're showing me? And
God was hiding me, man. And I

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began to study on David, go back
to David and how David was picked
to be king. And he didn't go
right into kingship and say he went
right back.

He went back into the field.

He got anointed to be king and
then went right back to the field.

Yeah, I love that moment. Like, literally.
Cuz, like, when they anoint you with
oil, like, it was like a pouring
of oil. So he's like drenched oil.
And then he's like, all right, where'd
my staff go? Like, I guess I'm
going back out in the field. All
oily.

All oily sheep.

Come here. Drenched in oil.

Hey, that's pretty. That's the new shirt.

Drenching oil.

That's the new merch.

Oily.

You're so oily.

You're so oily. But it doesn't mean
you're stuffing into, like, the, this grand
position you're stepping into, like, servanthood, which
has been a theme of, like, what
God has kind of shown you. Pastor
Brent, like, even with all of this
sermon series, I, I, I was looking
over, like, notes for the podcast, and
I was like, the theme has been
servanthood. And really, like, that is what

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discipleship is. It's not necessarily becoming this
grand disciple so you can step into
this grand role. It's man becoming this
grand disciple and following after Christ and
becoming the least.

Of them, you know, so Matthew, Mark,
and John. I don't think it's in
Luke, but I think Matthew, Mark, and
John all have Jesus's quote of, I
didn't come to be served, but to
serve. And so if Jesus is our
role model, like Jesus as disciples, we're
trying to become more like the one
we're discipled under. Yeah, we're trying to

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become more like Jesus. If Jesus own
words were, I didn't come to be
served, I came to serve. Like, why
would we come to be served.

Yeah.

It didn't make no sense.

And I. I just feel like it's
so. Because I do feel like Disciples
Church raise up amazing leaders. Just from
what I've been, like, seeing and being
here for over, man, almost 10 years
now. But I think that comes from
the heart of, like, the pastors are
all about serving. I don't. I think

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I shared this before when I first
came here. I think we joined at
the time it was Christian Life center
because it was a missions dinner. And
we were standing in line, and I
turned around, and Pastor Jerry was standing
behind me with a plate to get
his own food. And I was like,
david, the pastor is fixing his own
plate. Because, you know, how we grew

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up.

You move out, the way you sit.

And you sit in your chair and
you get served. But when I saw
him fixing his own plate, it rocked
me. Like, this is what it means
to be a leader. You're. You become
a servant leader. You become, like, it's
not about that title or this grand
position, but it's about, sir. It's about
serving the people you have and doing
it faithfully. Like, so. I don't know.

What I love is that. That's. That
was my foundation. Like, that's. That's my
dad.

Yeah.

And so, like, that's all I knew.
So, like, the idea of the pastor
sitting separate and having people, like, come
and bring, like, that just is, like,
that's dumb. Like, what is that?

That's been it all my life. Okay.

Like. Like, that would be a foreign
concept for me. Just because it's not.
It's not part of our history.

So in our DNA, we serve here.

Yep.

That is our DNA.

That's what attracted me to D.C. yeah.
Came for first love. And the worst
release at the time was Katie and
Derek. And I remember I was like,
where's the pastor? It was, oh, he's
right there. And by this time, I
had passed by Pastor BRENT probably about
five, 10 times. Five to 10 times.
And I said, that's the pastor. It
was like. He was like, yeah, like,
PB was. I think he helped get

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some stuff off stage. Like, it was
just. It was just amazing. And that
blew my mind, you know what I'm
saying? Because like you said growing up,
no, you're not touching anything. You know
what I'm saying? So it was like,
wow, this is what Jesus did.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Jesus was
out there. He was hand and feet,
you know what I'm saying? Out there
serving, you know, catering to the Believers,
and he wasn't holier than thou. And
so it just, I was like, wow,
I need to learn more about this
church, man. Now, you know, it's crazy
how God just does things, man. But
yeah, I would say thank you, man.
All you guys, Jerry, Pastor Jerry, Pastor

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Chris, you guys are true examples of
how Christ walked. Walked on the earth
and stuff.

Oh, so sweet.

I'm not being sentimental. I know I'm
light skinned.

I like to. I'm not what you
say.

I know I'm light skinned. I'm not
being light skinned.

So I'll get into colorism on the
sleeves.

I'm gonna stay out of that conversation
for obvious reasons.

All right, let's, let's.

Where are we? What's happening here?

Okay. No, no, I think that was
a good, A genuine moment because it
was. It was kind of talking about
where we are with the story of
David. Yeah, I like how when you
opened and you say you related to
David also because there were some things
you struggled with on your walk. Pastor
Brent posed a question during your. During
the sermon yesterday, and I believe I'm

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going to read it because the.

The question was first, second or third
question.

You posed a lot of questions.

I did. About the questions. I don't
give people answers. I just make them
question things.

Make some questions.

Make. Question everything. Okay. It was about
the conviction part. So when you are.

Convicted, when God.

Convicts you, do you resist or do
you repent? So when you were in
that place, on your road to. To
your calling, do you feel like that
was something you easily acknowledged and, and
gave to the Lord? Or was it
something you had to kind of work
through?

Something I had to work through, man.
I wrote a song. It's called Change
Me.

Of course you did.

I wrote a song called Change Me.
And the song was a song that
God gave me. In the middle of
the night, I just remember watching pornography,
which is something I had struggled with.
I was introduced to pornography as a
young kid by both friends and some
family members. And so it was a
huge struggle. I remembered I had just

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got through watching horn and I felt
such condemnation, such shame in that moment.
I remember crying and I was like,
man, I just. I feel like I
keep trying. I go three months, good.
And come back around and just. You
know what I'm saying and everything. And
in that moment, Holy Spirit spoke to
me. I put on my guitar and

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the first words came to my. To
my head was, I need you to
change me. Rearrange me. I can't do
it by myself.

Wow.

And so sometimes we try to do
things in our own strength, in our
own power, but it's through the power
of Jesus, the power of God, that
he can help us. You know what
I'm saying? God is just waiting for
us, literally, because the Bible says that
he's a gentleman. He's not going to
force himself on you, so he'll just
wait, like man. You know what I'm
saying? So it was something I had

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to really come and realize, like, man,
I don't have to be condemned. God
loves me. And I feel like that's
something that the church can do better
at. Is preaching more about God's love
for us than finger pointing. I feel
like we could do better. I feel

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like when we understand God's love, it
makes us not want to sin. When
I understood that I'm not just sinning
because I don't want to go to
hell, that just gave me fear versus
I don't want to sin because I
really love this. I love God. Like,
this is my friend. This is someone
I really care about. I want to.
Granted we all still struggle, but the
heart of saying, like, man, I messed

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up today. I'm so sorry that I
hurt your feelings. You know what I'm
saying? So I think getting that perspective
as I got older really helped me
with my walk with Christ. Like, man,
we all on this journey to do
better, to be better, and to be
more like Christ. It's through the power
of Jesus and we got to realize
how much he loves us. It doesn't
matter what you do. He will leave

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the 99 for the wine. Yeah, yeah.

There's something that people have to understand
is that sin doesn't cause you to
lose your salvation. The only thing cause
you lose salvation, from my understanding, would
be a rejection of salvation, rejection of
Jesus and sacrifice. But what sin does
do is it damages the relationship that
you have with, with God. And so
for me, it's like when. When Christians

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are like, oh no, I sinned, now
I'm gonna go to hell. It's like,
no, no, like, calm down. Like, yes,
you sinned. Yes, that's bad. But not
because it sends you to hell now,
like you've been saved. If. If you
sinning after salvation caused you to now
lose your salvation, go to hell. That
means that salvation is not based on
grace, it's based on your works. And

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there's too many scriptures about how it's
not based on the works, it's based
on his grace. And just like his
grace was there before you sin, it's
Thereafter, you sin too. But that does
not. And that's what I want people
to hear. That does not downplay the
significance of sin in our lives. Like,
sin is still vile evil. It's damaging
to you, even if you didn't take

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it from a spiritual standpoint. The things
that the Bible describes as sin are
just not good for you.

Yeah.

Like, you indulge in those things, and
it puts you in a bad path,
like, for life. But more than anything
else, it damages the relationship the you
are trying to have with your creator.

Yeah.

And if you really love him, then
that should cause problems for you. Like,
if I know that I'm. I'm intentionally
doing something that's damaging my relationship with
my wife, if I actually love my
wife, I'm gonna ask for forgiveness for
that. I'm gonna try and change my
behavior around that thing. I mean, just
this morning, my wife looked at me

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and she's like, why are you so
mean to me? I was like, where
did that come from? Like, I'm meeting
you. And she's like, this morning, as
I was getting ready, I'm like, you
were mumbling. I couldn't hear you. So
I was like, I don't. I can't
understand you when you're mumbling. And she
took that as offense. And so I
went and I took a shower, and
I'm like, man, that was so dumb.
Like, why? She got a problem, finished,
the shower came out, and I said,
you know what, babe? I'm so sorry.

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Like, it was. It was unintentional. I
wasn't trying to be short with you.
I literally. I just couldn't hear you
when you mumbled, it's too early. You're
too sleepy. But I love you. And
so, like, those moments, like, I was
like. When I realized that I'd done
something that hurt her, I wanted to
make it right. We should have the

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same stance with God. When we do
something, we realize, man, this hurt him.

Yeah.

This damaged the relationship that we're building.
Like, what can I do to make
that right? And I think that's where
David can say, or God can say
of David, you're a man after my
own heart. I was just thinking, because
it's. David is like, he sins big,
and Bathsheba is not the only sin
he has. You know, I talked about

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how we need to trust, like, David.
There's actually a season in David's life
where he doesn't trust God. He has
a census taken so he can count
the number of soldiers he has and
everything, because he starts Thinking that the
battles that he's going to be fighting
are going to be won by how
many soldiers he has, not by God.
And so, like, he screws up there.
He screws up with his kids on
multiple occasions. Like, it's. He's got a

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lot of failures, but in. In all
of it, he just keeps going back
to God and he's like, forgive me,
help me. I want to be close
to you. Like, his heart, his desire,
his passion was to please God. It's
just a beautiful thing.

Yeah, man.

I think he just. David is a
true example of just being. Being God's
child.

Yeah.

Just out of everything else, out of
my gift, my gifting, my title, everything,
it's just like, man, I'm God's child.

Yeah.

You know, and so it's just. Man,
that was beautiful.

Do you still love Melody? Even when
you tell her to do something, she
doesn't do it.

Oh, yes. I'm angry. You sure? You
better. But, man, it's like, I remember
when Melody was first born. Kids, man,
take your time with kids. But when
you have kids, it just. It gives
you a whole new perspective on how
God sees you. I remember being in

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the hospital room just holding her, and
Holy Spirit spoke. God spoke to me.
This is how I see you. And
I just. I was weeping. I was
like, oh, my God. Because as soon
as I saw her, I was like,
wow. It's nothing she can do, nothing
she can say that'll make me not
love her. Like, she can do the
most craziest thing. And I'm a still
care.

I mean, at that stage, all she
did was cry and poop.

Yeah.

And you were like, I love you.

I love you.

Yes.

Like, that's it.

Literally. And that's literally how God sees
us, man. You know, so. Wow. I
just love God, man.

Man, that whole part, that segment was.
It's just so much there because it's
like you said that grace component, that
knowing, like, this is the father, son,
or father, daughter relationship. And you're right.
Like, you wish that more people understood
that. So I hope they got that
from the sermon yesterday. Like, got out

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of all of his downfalls, you know,
God still chose him. God still loved
him and had used him greatly. And
I think that was one of the
biggest takeaways I got from it. I
know we're not on the takeaway part,
but.

And. And like. And like, sin is
still a big deal. Like, David still
faced consequences from his sin. His son
still died.

Yeah.

The kingdom was still divided. Like, there
was major consequences to David's sinning, but
it didn't change how much God loved
him.

Yeah.

And that's. That's what I want people
like, so please don't hear my words
and say, like, oh, Brent thinks sin
is no big deal. Like, sin is
a very big deal.

Yeah.

But it does not change God's love
for you.

Yeah. Oh, that's good. Okay. I'm not
gonna land the plane yet. So we.
We. So what were the three points
that you had? You said, you gotta
serve like David.

Trust like David, and repent like David.

David. Yeah. So I think we did
kind of like, cover those aspects.

Yeah. And the trusting thing, like, we.
We've talked about that a little bit
here recently when we talked about anxiety.
Like, I think that that's the. That's
the big takeaway from the. The trusting
David. It's. You know, I think there's
so many times when we're trusting ourselves.

Yeah.

Trusting. Well, I've. I've got wisdom. I've
got understanding. I've got, you know, a
track record in this. I've got ability.
I've got all this stuff. But, like,
even in those things, like, where is
your trust, really? In your own ability.
Because what if your ability fails?

Yeah.

Like, what if. What if your ability
is not enough in this situation? Don't
trust God. Like, that's. That's where our
trust really should be. And I love
that David's story, like, he does some
absolutely ridiculous things, right? Like, like, not
a bad way. Like in a. In
a great. Killing the lion and the
bear. Like.

Like, he's a great failure and a
great leader.

Right.

And everything.

Teenager. This teenager defeating a giant. Like,
that's. That's amazing. And. And, like, I've
heard some people kind of downplay it
by talking about. Well, yeah, it's ranged
weaponry versus melee combat. Like, obviously, you
know, a gun's gonna beat a knife.
And it's like, have you seen how
hard a shepherd can throw us a
stone? I'm like, yes, yes, yes, yes,

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yes. That stone still hit him in
that soft spot spot right between the
armor.

Right.

Like, there's still a miraculous component to
this. And so, like, David does some
extraordinary things, but he's still trusting God
in all of those extraordinary moments. And
so his trust wasn't his ability. It
was in. In God's.

Yeah, that's.

That's where we need to be. And.
And we see that when David repeatedly
says, the Lord saves, the Lord delivers.
The. The Lord delivered me. Like, it's.
It's just repeated so much that it's
like, okay, obviously David wasn't like, I've
got this. Yeah, he was very much
saying, God's got this. Like, who's this
Philistine coming against God? He's not. Who's

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this Philistine coming against me? No, no,
no. Who's this philistine coming against God?

Yeah, man, that's good. That's a whole
message within itself, man.

I love that part. Like, David was
upset. Yeah. Like, you. Like, you coming
at my Lord. You know what I'm
saying? Like, you. You saying crazy stuff.

That's why he's like, I'm not just
gonna feed your body to the birds.
I'm gonna feed, like, the whole army.
Like, all of you guys are gonna
be bird food by the end of
this conversation. David was upset, and rightfully
so.

Yeah.

And then you see David, too, like,
seeing his biggest guy in front of
him. And David probably even seen him
as big because he knew how big
God was. He probably looking like, you
know.

He got some muscles. Your head is
really big, right?

Yeah, really big.

More space to hit you.

There's always so many big. I saw
a hilarious picture. Somebody. Somebody just posted
this. Where it was. It was a
bodybuilder standing next to, like, some regular
guys at a gym. And the bodybuilder
just looks so massive compared to the
people next to him. And then they
took another picture of the same bodybuilder
standing next to a group of guys
that are competing for, like, the World's
Strongest man competition. And he looks like

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a child. Like, literally, it's the same
guy that just dwarfed everybody else. Now
all of a sudden, it looks like
a small child, and it's like, yeah,
because when there's always somebody bigger. So
as big as Goliath was, guess what?
God's bigger.

Yeah, that's good. You always, like, quick
with the.

I have a lot of random things
in my head.

I believe it. I believe it.

One thing that I did want to
say, and I don't know if this
is going to be helpful for anybody
or what, but, like, in the message,
I talked about how David's failure didn't
disqualify him from his call. What I
want people to be able to hear
from that is the call is to
follow Jesus. There is some sin that

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you could commit that would disqualify you
from a position. And so there are
some pastors right now that I kind
of alluded to in the message that
have sinned pretty big. And I would
say they are now disqualified. From that
place of ministry. Yeah, that's a legit.
That's a real thing.

Are you getting spicy on us?

A little bit. Okay, you told me
to be more spicy.

I need you to keep that.

No, but this is just. This is
just something that was. It was in
the. In the moment, like I said.
Said it, and I could. It was
like I wanted to take five more
minutes to unpack it more so that
somebody didn't walk away with this. Like,
okay, I can. I can be the
CEO. What's the. What's the company? The.
The Coldplay concert, guy. Oh, like, yeah,
you're gonna lose your job.

Like a tank.

Yeah, whatever. It was like, guy lost
his job like he's having an affair.
It's very public. This is damaging to
the company. Like, the same thing happens
in the church world. Like, yeah, when
the. When the pastor has an affair,
when the pastor embezzles money, when the
pastor does something wrong. There are consequences
to that. And so, like, we do
talk about restoration, and I am all

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for forgiveness and grace and restoration. I
think that when somebody sins, I guess
I should finish that thought first. So
the disqualification would be from the position,
not from the call to follow Jesus.
Right. So when I say that it
didn't disqualify David, it didn't disqualify him
from following, following God.

Right.

And that. That's the call. So if
we focus on that and not just
the position. So I think that when
you mess up, you will absolutely, 100%,
the goal is to be restored and
reconciled with God. That the relationship between
you and God, that's what has to
be 100%, that has to be restored

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in, like, the ministerial position conversation. Restoration
to the local body of church is
a. Maybe I might even stretch towards,
hopefully, restoration to ministry in the same
capacity is a. Probably not for me.

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So, like, maybe, but probably not. And
I think that's just where, yes, there's
grace, yes, there's forgiveness, but there's also
a level of accountability that needs to
be held. And so I'm saying that
as a guy who. I think I've
said this before on the podcast. I've.
When I was. Before I was 25,
I had three men that I called

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my pastor. Two of the three had
a moral failure. Both of them didn't,
in my eyes, didn't go through the
restoration process properly. One of them, thankfully,
is in a place where he's restored,
doing good things. The other one, not
as much. And so this is just.

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This is a very personal subject for
me. Yeah, but, yeah, I don't know
if that benefits anybody or if I
just went on a rant for no
reason.

But I do have questions, please. I
mean, no, I think that's. So one
of my questions I think will be
beneficial to the listeners is is this
something before, before they're in that position
or is this something while they're in
that position?

All of these examples were something that
happened after they were in the position.
I think that, yeah. Stuff before the
position. For me it would probably depend
on was that before Christ or after
Christ. Because you could be in a
position five years after you got saved
and if something happened in that five

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year window, I might say that, well,
that might disqualify you from. For ministry
or I would just have to be
very cautious.

Yeah.

With that.

Yeah.

When it's stuff that happened pre Christ,
like, I don't have as much issue
with that.

Yeah.

Like, I don't, I don't hold you
accountable to the law when you didn't
know about the law.

Yeah.

If that makes sense. Plus, we're not
under the law, we're under grace. So.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's hard
because that's a case by case. Like
it depends on the situation. You know,
if, if somebody was arrested for some
kind of sin with a minor and
we won't go into details, but I
would never hire that person for children's
ministry. Like, that would just be dumb.

Yeah, I think I agree.

Hopefully everybody would agree with that. And
if you're not agreeing with that, you
might have to have a conversation about
what's going on in your past. But.
Yeah, so, so I think that, yeah,
a lot of it is, is case
by case and we're talking now in
like a ministerial.

Right.

Role and position. I think that, yeah,
it's, it just. Yeah, yeah. If, if
you, if your name shows up on
a, on a registry, you're. We do
background checks.

So, like.

Yeah, we're not going to put you
around kids for your own benefit and
for theirs, like for your benefit. We
don't need to put you in temptation.

Yeah, right.

For sure.

Yeah.

This has got weird, weird conversations.

No, it didn't. It's. It's yay, David
somebody. Right. He got all the, the
stuff going on and happening. But the
biggest thing we want you to focus
on is God's grace.

Thanks for salvaging that. That weird moment
we just had. All right. Trust like
David, serve like David and repent.

Like, I think it's a good time
to land that plane. We need to.
Can we have a jingo? You said
you were gonna make us a jingle.

Yeah, we gotta make one.

All right.

Gonna make it. But we need a
segment called land that plane. Like, people
actually like it. It's like, I like
when you say, land the plane. I
was like, you like when you.

Say people, are you like earlier when
you were like, I'm people, and I.

Say it was two people. Yesterday. No,
it was two people that said it.

Two people like to land the plane.

They like that I said, land the
plane. So we're gonna make it a
thing like, land that plane. Okay. Anyone?

I don't think you have to do
it like that.

I would say, why is it a
chant?

I don't know. It never was a
chant before.

It's not gonna be.

You're so desperate to make things happen.

I am. I like to brand everything.
Right? That's my mind. Like, let's turn
everything into a brand or a T
shirt. So when you were like, I
want to be in the middle of
the football field worship, I'm like, let's
make it happen, man.

I want that to happen too.

I'm like, can we move our first.

Love to the football field?

Maybe Lincoln way north? I don't know
if we're ready for, like, Soldier Field.

We can work our way up. He
didn't say the signs. He just said
he was in the middle of.

Right.

All right, okay. So we're landing the
plane.

We're landing the plane. And what we
do do when we land the plane
is everyone give a takeaway from the
sermon. That kind of encourages our watchers.
I'm so watchers. People who are watching
online, tuning in. What is something we
could encourage them with with the sermon?
So are you ready, or you want

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to start with Pastor Brent?

Yeah, we can go. I'll go out
to Pastor Brent.

Yeah. So this segment's always awkward when
I'm the one that preached, because I'm
like, all of it. Like, you need
all of this. I don't know. I
think of the three points, I think
the one that I want people to
get the most is the repentance. I

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think we've talked a lot about serving.
I think we talk a lot about
trusting God in situations. But I don't
want to get to a place in
our. Our church where we. We neglect
the repentance, the act of repentance that
I think should be very prominent in
our lives to be quick to repent.

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I think that maybe that that is
maybe one of the complications or downsides
of a Protestant church versus a Catholic
church. Like, Catholic church. Like, repentance is
built into the framework. Like, you have
to go to confession. And I'm not
saying you need to come and confess
your sins to me. I don't want
you to do that. But I think
that you do need to make repentance

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an active part of your life. And
so repentance is changing your mind. It's
turning from sin. It's not just being
sorry that you got caught. Like, David
wasn't just like, oh, no, I got
busted. This sucks. It was. He finally
had a moment to say, wow, I
really messed up. And I grieved God
and I grieved my relationship with him.

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And so I want people to have
that mentality that, hey, you do mess
up things, things happen. We're not perfect.
It's hard to do this walk with
Christ in a manner worthy of the
calling, as Paul would say. And so
when we slip up, when we mess
up, we need to just be so
quick to run to God. And I
think I love. You know, there's another

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psalm that talks about, search me and
know my heart. Point out anything in
me that offends you. Like, I think
that. That having even that mentality of.
It's not just the moments with Bathsheba,
it's the everyday God, was there something
today that I did? Like, maybe the
interaction with my wife this morning. Like,
I didn't realize I had done anything.

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And I honestly, I still don't really
think I did anything.

Just stop right there. But she felt
you're doing good by confessing.

But. But that's. Here's the thing. Like,
how she felt about the situation is
what really mattered. It wasn't my intention
or my heart behind it. It was
the fact that I. The way that
I was short with her, it was
a real thing. And so having those
moments with God where you say, search
me and know my heart, combining that

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with Psalm 51, create in me a
clean heart. Oh, God, if we can
do anything today, let's do that.

That's good. I love that.

How do I go behind that?

You have to.

That's why you should always go first.

Always go first.

I think for me, one takeaway for
me is don't fear David's whole life.
We see. We may see, you know,
him having moments of weakness and stu
like that, but man, you just see
this guy and countless stories where he's
not fearful from the bears. I love

(49:08):
how you pointed that out. Like, say,
bears, lions. Like, it was more Than
one.

That's just so silly to me.

Like, more than one. So he was
just not fearful. He encountered Goliath. He's
not fearful. And I just think us
as believers, we have to really get
in a place of not being fearful
and. And also to be. It's okay
to stand up for God. I loved
how David got angry, almost like Jesus

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did in the temple. Like, he was
like, man, like, standing up for righteousness,
standing up for God. And like, man,
who is this guy talking about my
God? And so that requires relationship and
to know. To know God. To be
able to get that, you know, upset
that someone is, you know, doing your.
Doing your God dirty. So I said
dirty. Do you got dirty?

Doing your God dirty? That's another T
shirt, right?

But yes, I would say that to
not fear. Yeah. God is not giving
us spirit of fear, but the power
of love and the sound mind. And
so don't fear. We'll say that.

Oh, man. Okay. It was good.

It was good.

It was good.

Okay. Okay.

Yeah.

What you got, Ms. Beasley?

I have. They did such a great
job concluding. What do I have? No,
I would encourage you to go back
and re. Watch the. The message, even
if you were with us on Sunday,
I think it was. There's so many
nuggets, so many lessons there. But when
you go back this time and re.
Watch that sermon, ask God to start

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revealing some things to you about this
message and what your takeaways are. I
think the biggest thing we want you
to leave with from this conversation is
that God loves you and he loves
you so deeply, despite anything that you
could do, no matter if your sins
were top tier, like David's, his love
for you, his love for you is.

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Is so huge, and his grace is
sufficient. So just remember that you. There's
a lot of work for you to
do, and God is with you. So
we hope you enjoyed this episode. Thank
you, Lashawn, for being with us.

Thanks for having me.

Yeah, we really enjoyed the conversation. Thank
you, Pastor Brent, for such a great
message for us to talk about.

And don't thank me. Thank the Holy
Spirit.

Thank the Holy Spirit. Thank you, God,
for just everything that you do for
us. We hope you enjoyed this episode.
Let us know if you have any
questions or comments or concerns in the
chat. And until next week, we love
you and God bless.

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