What Is Pentecost Really About? | The Power, the Purpose, the Fire - Between Sermons // Audio

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Pastor Brent McQuay (00:00):
Foreign. Hey, what's up, everybody? And welcome
back to another episode of Between Sermons.
My name is Brent. I get to
be the lead pastor of Disciples Church
and the host of this show where

(00:20):
we are turning the monologue from the
stage into some dialogue. Because, man, as
a preacher, sometimes I just feel like
talking at people is just. It's not
for me much fun. I would rather
have a conversation with some people. And
so I love being able to just
take what we talk about from the
stage on Sunday and have some dialogue
around it. And I can't do that
by myself. And so Taisha is here

(00:40):
as our co host to always guide
this conversation and dress so much better
than me.

Ti’heasha Beasley (00:46):
And you know what? We need a
dress code. Officially. Officially, we need a
dress code.

Because at first, well, Ruben was talking
about how it looks like two different
shows. Like, you get one camera and
it's like preppy and like, dress nice
and stuff. And then there's another camera
shot that's like, did he just roll
out of bed? Like, what happened?

So are we going to do elevated
casual? So we're going to do. We
can start leaning to that direction. I'm.

I don't know what any of that
means.

Elevated casual. Google it. I don't. We
don't have time to talk about.

You might just have to tell my
wife to dress.

Okay. Okay. That's. That's kind of elevated
casual.

So for me, jeans and a hoodie.
Sweet.

Yeah, it's. Yeah.

Pastor Jason Parks (01:23):
This is how we're starting talking about
elevator.

No, no, no. We're talking about being
on One Accord. So you gotta unity.

They were all gathered together in one
place.

Yes. Yes.

Wearing matching outfits.

Yes.

Preachers, at least always tie these random
things together. That was really good.

That was.

Yeah. We call that biblical principles. It's
a game we used to play.

I know.

We had to tie random things into
a biblical principle. That actually makes you
a better communicator. It's a great game.

We should do that for an episode.

It's high pressure. It is high pressure.

I'm sure we actually, I teach that
for, like our missions. Teams, like, as
they're preparing to, like, be able to
like, give their testimony and different things,
like, to kind of loosen them up.
We play biblical principles, like, pick a
random object in the room and tell
me the.

And preach a sermon about it for
like 60 seconds.

Like, just give me the biblical principle
of the light bulb.

I need to see that in action.

Okay.

All right. Not today. I was going
to say today we're going to have
A great conversation about good old Pentecost.
And we have pastor, the right pastor
for this conversation, Jason Parks, joining in.

What do you mean by that?

We're gonna get to that.

Am I the wrong pastor?

No, you are the.

You.

You are the balance pastor for the
conversation.

Wow. So I'm imbalanced.

Okay, let's.

Usually she only tries to offend me,
but now she's just throwing. Starting early.

No, no, no. Okay, well, let's start
here. Without thinking, overthinking. What do you
think of the word? What comes to
mind when you think of the word
Pentecost?

Because.

Go.

Fire.

Holy Spirit.

Okay. Okay. I thought you was going
to say, like, all whites.

Oh, wow. What is that? You're just
coming after the way we dress? Is
that what it is, his outfit now?

No. Growing up, I was almost going
to wear all white on Sunday since
it was Pentecost, I was.

That is a thing. Well, it is.

It.

It still is a thing. In some
churches, you have to dress up and
all white.

Are you. Are you.

No, I'm too white for that conversation.
I knew it.

You were looking like, what?

No, no, no, I'm aware of. I'm.
Yeah. No. Was I a part of
something like that? No. Like, they don't
invite me to the all white party.
That's a different kind of invite. What?

But yes, it was a thing.

Did we get a redo on this
episode or.

No, no, we're going to keep it
going.

This. This is how you know that
we don't edit the podcast.

No, it's not edited. But this. It's
real, and it's real conversation, so praise
God for that. So we are continuing
the conversation. We're in a sermon series,
Beyond Salvation. So if you had an
opportunity to hear any of those messages,
you know, if you haven't had the
opportunity, I would advise you to go
back and listen. But you just taught

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our last sermon, Pastor Brent, in the
Beyond Salvation Pentecost.

Yeah. So how was that, man? It's
funny, there's always this added pressure when
you're preaching on, like, a special day.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Which. I mean, every Sunday is a
special day, but there's just this added
pressure of expectation, and it's like you're
preaching the Christmas message and everybody knows
the story already. You're preaching on Pentecost.
Everybody knows Acts two. Like, it's just
one of those things. So how do
you engage the text in a way
that feels fresh.

Yeah.

But still really conveys the importance of
this day? Like. Like, I joked about
the Fact that, you know, Hallmark's probably
not jumping on board with this one.

Yeah.

Like, Hallmark loves Christmas and Easter for
some reason. I never see a Pentecost
Hallmark card. Like, what's going on?

Yeah.

But like, for. For. For Christians, like
followers of Christ, like, this is the
big holiday. Like, we get three. Like,
that's. That's the celebration. In Christianity, you
get three holidays. Christmas, Easter and Pentecost.
Is there a fourth? Is there?

No, no. But just. Just the idea
of that. We get three holidays.

We get three holidays. I'm jealous because
the Jewish people got seven and we
get three.

Do you feel slighted in any way?

I want more parties. I want more
parties.

Okay.

They have different feasts in scripture you
could try to take partake in.

Yeah.

I mean, one day we did. I
think we had someone. I can't remember
what it was. Yeah, we had the
entire setup.

Or a Seder meal.

Yeah, it was a Seder meal. That's
what it was. We can do stuff
like that before my time.

It's actually pretty cool. So we have
a. We have a lot of messianic
Jewish partners.

Yeah.

And so we actually had one come
through. Actually. One of our partners is
going to be in town in November.
I think maybe I'll figure out something
we can do with him while he's
here.

That's fun.

Shout out to Leon Mazen.

Yeah. So I loved how you took
this message and you kind of divided
it. It could have been three different
sermons, if you think about it. Because
you start off talking.

Well, I preached long enough that it
really was three different.

So it was. It was. But I
mean, it was good. But who. Who's
watching the time? Right, Right. Who's watching?

He is. Yeah, that's what he is.
But no one.

I saw the. I have a clock
on my computer and like, that's one
of its primary purposes on the stage
with me. And it went. It goes
from black to red when I'm out
of time. And it went to red.
And. And the fruit of the spirit
is. And I'm like, I'm in trouble.

Yeah. So give us a little summary
for those who did not have an
opportunity to watch that sermon, which I
do advise you to about. So as
we set up the conversation.

Yeah. So if you don't have an
hour to invest in the message, here's
the. The two minute version. So between
or. Or Beyond Salvation. I got confused
with our title of the podcast and
the title of the. The series.

Between Salvation.

Between Salvation. No, Between Beyond Salvation is
all about this idea that we've got
this. I don't know, this idea sometimes
that, like, salvation is the final goal.
It's like, if I can just get
salvation and we even preach it that
way. It's like, if you want eternal
life, like, but like, really what we
see in scripture is that that was
like, the starting point for everything else
that God's wanting to do. Like, it

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starts with salvation, but then you have
to live this life out. And so
what. What comes after your. Yes, with
Jesus? And really what this. This whole
series, like, was getting us to today,
like, because the whole series, like, we're
like, okay, we want to make sure
people understand repentance and baptism and its
role in these things. And last week
it introduced the idea of the Holy
Spirit and addressed speaking in tongues. Just

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because that's controversial today, I guess. And
so. But all of that was just
to get to this place where we
recognize that the power of the Holy
Spirit in our lives has a purpose.
Like, there's a reason for it. And
the Holy Spirit isn't there to give
you goosebumps or. Or even, like, this
is my controversial statement. Like, it's not
even there to give you a prayer
language. Like, that's not its primary function

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or his primary function. I keep saying
it, but it's a he. Like, the
primary function is not to help you
with your prayer life. And yes, he
does help you with your prayer life,
but that's not the pr. The primary
function. Jesus said, I need you to
go wait for the power of the
Holy Spirit to come upon you, and
you will be my witnesses. He didn't

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tell them to go be witnesses without
the power of the Holy Spirit. Like,
the purpose of the power is to
be witnesses to the Gospel and that
that happens through transformation. That who we
are before the Holy Spirit starts changing
us is not prepared or equipped or
sufficient for being a witness. We actually,

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something has to change in us to
put us in a place where we're
ready to be a witness. And so
that's the transformation that takes place through
the power of the Holy Spirit to
help us not just talk like witnesses,
but actually walk like witnesses. Because at
the end of the day, our walk
is our witness. Like, the. The way
people. And I have to be careful
saying that because I don't want to
give people the impression that you never
have to open your mouth. Like, there's
this missions quote that I hate, where

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it's like, preach the gospel at all
times. When necessary, use words. It's a
fire quote. But it has been so
abused to the point where now believers
are like, preach the gospel at all
times. And if God forces you to
maybe use your mouth to do it,
no, no, no. Like, we, we do
have to speak. Like, we have to
tell people the good news. But before

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we ever open our mouths, they're watching
us live. And it's our lives that
become the witness. And it's actually our
lives that open the door to then
say something. And so the people are
watching. And if we blend in with
the rest of the world, then there's
no witness there. So it's actually your
walk that becomes the witness, which is
why Paul tells us to walk in
a manner worthy of the calling. And

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he describes that in Galatians as walking
by the Spirit. So we're filled with
the Holy Spirit, we're transformed by the
Spirit, then we walk in the Spirit,
all so that we'll be witnesses.

Can I just jump in? What I
appreciate also when you started to talk
about the fruit of that Spirit, right.
And how that fruit is for others,
I think that's a huge misconception, especially
today. You just. We don't get that
it's meant for others and we're meant
to go out and you hear people

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talk about the five fold and all
that. Well, actually, the fivefold is meant
to help us do the work of
the ministry. So it's not meant just
for a.

Sunday and to equip the saints for
the work of the ministry. The whole
point of it, we're supposed.

To go out and do it. And
so that fruit is meant for other
people. So just your ability to walk
through the fruit, and I know the
time and all that, but I'm glad
you took the time to say, okay,
let me demonstrate what each part of
that fruit, each seed within that fruit
is, because it really does matter that

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people are able to partake or enjoy
that fruit in our life. So that's
the part I especially appreciate. So I'm
glad you took some time.

Around that you said a part in
your message, though. I would love you
to spend some time talking about. You
were saying the Holy. The power of
the Holy Spirit equips us to walk
out our salvation. Excuse me. And it's
not just to, like, give you the
right words to pray or your prayer

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language, you know, different things like that.
Explain that some more. Because I'm under
the impression that the Holy Spirit gives
me power to do all things, prophesy,
preach, teach, and walk out the fruit
of the Spirit. So expound on that
a little bit.

So I don't disagree with you. He
absolutely is there for all of that.
But all of that is so that
you are a witness. And so sometimes
we turn prophecy from. Prophecy is actually
supposed to draw people to salvation. Like
it's supposed to one, encourage believers, right,
to not give up on their witness

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or to bring correction to a believer
that has failed to be a good
witness. And then it's for unbelievers. Like,
like evangelistic prophecy is amazing. It's so
cool. And I, I don't. It's never
happened for me, sadly. But I've been
around guys where it's like, man, the
server comes by and they're just like,
hey, I just feel like God's telling

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me that you've been struggling with, with
some student loans and just want you
to know, like, here's, here's what I
think that the Holy Spirit's trying to
encourage you with today. And that person's
like, how did you even know? And
what's going on? And it's just that
these really cool moments, right? But so
all of those gifts of the Holy
Spirit, which we didn't talk about today,
we just talked about the fruit, not
the gifts. But even the gifts are

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to help us be witnesses, right? And
so, yeah, I don't think it's a
one or the other or a difference
in the two. It's just we have
to make sure that we remember the
purpose behind it. And so the purpose
behind the power, the purpose behind the
gifts, all of it is so that
we can be better witnesses.

I would add, again, I think it's
one of those misconceptions around where gifts
fit. And in Scripture, and I'll find
the scripture, Jesus said, listen, there's going
to come a time when people are
going to come before me, and they're
going to say, like, lord, I was
very gifted for your namesake. Like I
prophesied, and I did these things in
your name, in your name. I was

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good. And he's going to say, well,
I didn't really know you. So you're
like, even though you did that, I'm
not calling you just to do gifts
because you weren't doing it with the
right motivations and you didn't have the
right priorities in mind. So I do
think that gifts really have a secondary
point, and we are called to work

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out those gifts. And the last thing
I'll say is there are some gifts
that aren't as loud as others, and
we shouldn't discount those. The gift of
helps, like, that's. I believe, an underappreciated
gift that doesn't get the attention. And
so if we put those gifts in
the right place, we won't exalt certain

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ones above the others. And we'll find
out, really, those are the gifts that
are supposed to be for other people
and help other people. So it's a.

Yes.

Our gifts are supposed to empower us.
But the question is, what is the
purpose of those gifts and what's the
priority of it? And I think that's
some clarity that Pastor Brent brought.

Yeah, no, it was good. I also
liked how we did a little bit
of history when it came to Pentecost.

Yeah.

Yeah. And so very little history because
very little. Actually, if I had my
computer, I could show you. I had
like five slides that I had to
delete because it was like now just
totally got rid of. Like, it was,
it was in the notes. Like we,
we went through it in our sermon
planning and stuff.

Yeah.

And then over the weekend, as I
was just preparing, it was like, oh,
this is already going to be like
a 50 minute sermon. So let's, let's
maybe not do that part.

Yeah.

But that's what the podcast we get
to do.

Yeah.

To go a little bit deeper.

Yeah. So let's go through some parallels.

Yeah. So let's see if I can
do this without pulling him up on
my phone.

Because, I mean, you're welcome.

Once, once I move beyond, I was
like, yeah, so what's really cool is
that. And we see this throughout Scripture
where the Old Testament gives us this
picture. And then in the New Testament
we get like a better understanding of
it or explanation. So there's constantly these
parallels between the Old Testament, New Testament,
and it's really cool. In the, in

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a lot of the New Testament writings,
like, the writer will actually connect those
dots for us. Even, like, it'll talk
about, like, the first Adam and now
the last Adam is Jesus. And like,
so to like, like, oh, I see
the picture there. Like Moses getting in
trouble for striking the rock twice. Because
in New Testament we find out, oh,
Jesus is the rock and he doesn't

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have to be crucified twice.
Right. So, like, there's these really cool
pictures from Old Testament. New Testament. But
one of the ones that I love
is Pentecost. So like in Acts 2,
when they're celebrating, when they're in the
upper room waiting, it's because it's Pentecost,
which is, it's, I think they call
it the Feast of Weeks because it's
seven weeks from Passover. And so it's

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also like the transition, I want to
say it's between like the barley harvest
and the wheat harvest or vice versa
or something like that.
So, like, it's interesting because it's one
of the shorter feasts that they do.
It's like one of the shorter celebrations
because the intent is you got to
go back out in the field and
start the next harvest or start the
next process. And that's already kind of
a cool parallel because this day of

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Pentecost is. It was to equip the
disciples to go into the harvest field,
right? So, like, it's like, man, we
got this one day and now we
got to go live it out.
Like, it's just those beautiful pictures. But
so they're there, they're gathered in Jerusalem.
That's why there's people that speak different
languages, because people of Israel have been
scattered through years of slavery and bondage
and all this stuff. So. But they

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would all come back to Jerusalem for
feast days and for celebrations. So they're
all gathered together in Jerusalem for Pentecost.
And then we see the disciples in
this upper room waiting. Then the Holy
Spirit comes. And what's really cool is
we see these parallels. So in the
book of Exodus, we see the first
Pentecost takes place and it's Moses is

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on Mount Sinai receiving the ten commandments
from God.
He's getting this face to face encounter
kind of in the presence of God.
And it happens to be 50 days
after the Passover. And so Passover is
this beautiful moment when God declares, you
know, let my people go. There's gonna

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be 10 plagues. They get progressively worse,
calling out different gods of Egypt. I
wish we had time to dive into
all that because it's fascinating.
And then the last plague is the
death of the firstborn son. But throughout
all the plagues, the Jewish people are
kind of suffering alongside the Egyptians for
a lot of these. Like, there's some
where they're not, but there's others where

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they are. But this, this plague of
the death of the firstborn is going
to strike every house unless you participate
in this Passover meal. There's a lamb
that you have to sacrifice in a
specific way, cook it in a very
specific way, eat it in a very
specific way.
And you have to take the blood
of the Passover lamb and you have
to rub it on the doorpost of

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your home. And so the angel of
the Lord, when he comes through striking
down the firstborn, he. He'll pass over,
right? That's where we get Passover from.
He'll pass over the homes with the
blood of the lamb there. And so
the first Pentecost is literally it's 50
days after that moment took place in
Egypt. And now all of a sudden,
for us In Acts chapter two, it's
50 days after Jesus becomes the Passover

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lamb.
And now it's the blood of Jesus
that covers the sin and saves all
of mankind, not just the firstborn. And
so it's like this beautiful parallel of
the 50 days after Passover, 50 days
after the resurrection, and what the blood
of the lamb and the blood of
Jesus represents. So it's this beautiful picture.
Beyond that, in Exodus, it's marked by

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the presence of God. So we see
wind and thunder and a cloud and
loud noise and all this stuff.
And Moses is physically marked by his
encounter with God. Like he comes off
of the mountain and the people are
freaked out because he's glowing. Like his
face is just like me when it's
summertime and I turn really red. Probably
not like that exactly, but you know,

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so his face is shining.
So like the moment the presence of
God is there's a marker for it.
And then in Acts chapter two, we
see a similar marker where we've got
again, wind and you got fire and
you've got. Now the people are marked
by speaking in other tongues. They're speaking
in languages that they don't know. And
like, people can look at them and
say, you've been with God. The same

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way in Exodus, they looked at Moses
and they're like, you've been with God.
Like it's this really cool parallel in
Exodus, I already mentioned it, but Moses
receives the law on the stone tablets,
the ten Commandments in the book of
Exodus or in the book of Acts,
when the Holy Spirit comes, it says
that the Holy Spirit is going to
write the law in our hearts.
So in Exodus, you've got law on

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stone tablets. In Acts, you've got the
law on hearts in the Book of
Acts. In book of Exodus, I keep
mixing up books. In that first Pentecost
in Exodus, horrible moment happens. He comes
down from the mountain and all of
the people are worshiping a golden calf.
Like they've replaced God that fast. Like
we're talking 50 days after the miracles,

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the 10 plagues and all that. 50
days later, they're already have melted all
their jewelry into a gold calf, and
they're worshiping it, saying, thank you for
delivering us from Egypt. Golden calf, wow.
Is a wild moment. And so the
judgment of God strikes. And what? It's
not that.

I mean, I mean, it's accurate. No,
it's accurate. It's just wild how.

Yeah, yeah.

Easily we get.

How fast it happens.

I just say we do that all
the time.

Yeah. So sad moment. Judgment of God
strikes and 3,000 people are killed. Right?
Now, that's a really easy parallel to
see, because in the book of Acts,
how many people get saved?

3,000.

3,000. Right. So in Exodus, you got
3,000 are dead. In Acts, you got
3,000 that receive eternal life. Like, how
cool of this parallel is that? And
then the last one that I would
highlight is the book of Exodus. That
Pentecost moment really marks the beginning of
the nation of Israel because they're given
their instruction, and now they're a people.
They're free from Egypt. They don't have
their land yet, but they're on their

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way. And so it really is the
birth of a nation. And then in
the book of Acts, chapter two, we
see the birth of the church. And
so, like, there's just these beautiful parallels
between the old and the new.

And we can just collect the offering.

Right.

I mean, that's been good.

I like the history and the. So,
like, being able to see, okay, what
did he do here and what is
he doing. Doing there?

Yeah, no, that was good. So with
that history, maybe, Pastor Jason, you can
speak to this. What. How do you
feel like God intends us to really
use that history and kind of like
move forward the. The church of 2025?

Well, I think we can see the
character of God in history and recognize
that that same God is both doing
something new, but he's also doing the
same thing. He is consistent. So just
the parallels and how he has expanded,
I also think the church of 2025,
it should move us into worship and

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praise because of that. Because most certainly
God could have stayed the God of
Israel only.

Yeah.

All of. All of the things he
did in Israel, he could have been
like, they are my chosen people. I'm
good. I can figure this out without
this bunch of hooligans, right? These. These
pagans who don't know me. And even
though Israel was jacked up, they kept
coming back. So, you know, they're. Those
are my people. He could have done
that. But throughout this time, of course,

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we know because of what Jesus did.
He opened it up and allowed us
to be engrafted into this body. So
I think that history shows both the
character of God and it shows the
goodness of God and how he's doing
something new. But he's the same God.
He's still righteous. He's still loving, he's
still caring, and he still loves more

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than we can even love ourselves. So
I think it starts with recognizing who
God is and what he has done
when he didn't have to, and then
recognizing past that when we get to
the fruit and God in us, that
he not only, you know, he didn't

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stay within a cloud or a pillar,
He. He now has given us the
Holy Spirit in us to further. And
Jesus said that, listen, the works that
he did, it was great. But we're
going to be called and should do
mightier works, better works, bigger works. And
so, again, it should take us praise
and worship, and it should move us
forward that, you know, we don't have

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the excuse. Israel, you know, pillar, fire,
Holy Spirit, rest upon people. But now
we have Holy Spirit in us, and
he has given us so many more
things to be successful, if I can
use that word in order to. To
make his name great. So I'll. I'll
stop there. So it's. That's. That's what
I think.

No, I think that's good. Now. This
is a fun activity, guys. Oh, I
loved how Pastor Brent did the parallel.
Well, the compare. Contrast for Peter's life.

So I feel like I was really
harsh on Peter, but.

You were.

You were. I do love Peter.

Peter's not here because Peter is amazing.

Peter's amazing. And even pre Pentecost, Peter
has moments.

Please don't ever speak about me that
way.

Walking on water. Peter, like, he did
a couple of amazing things.

I mean, but how many steps did
he take?

Well, it doesn't matter.

He.

He.

You know.

He said, my man was not.

How much of that was. Look how
much of that was just his reckless
behavior, though. I mean, I'm just saying,
like, where's the. I don't know. I
love Peter.

To not leave Peter hanging. I want
each of you to.

I know all of the Catholics in
the room today were like, how dare
he? How dare he? So just for
the record, I love Peter, okay? Peter's
my guy.

Peter's cool.

I think I see. I see more
of myself in Peter than I see
in, like, Paul.

The damage has been done.

It's been done. But we're gonna. We're
gonna do this. This activity really quick
to. To maybe soften the blow and
put you guys in the seat. So
really quick, think of three things before
Christ and three things after Christ.

One, I don't want to put all
my business out here.

Two things. Two, what's. If someone saw
you now, what would they say for
sure. Pastor Jason is different.

I'm using my words differently. I had
a bit of a potty mouth.

Okay.

And so, you know, I, I now
talk about the goodness of God, and
I used to tear people down with
my.

What's your word?

Yeah, I was just.

You sure that's something.

I am. I am so much better.
No profanity comes out of this mouth.
But before, I'm talking about your mom
on your shoestring and your dog, everything.

So God is.

It was bad. It was bad. God
has saved me.

Maybe this is why we get along.
Because, like, that was going to be
one of mine too. Like, like, my
words, people. My. Like, I would use
my words as weapons. Like. Absolutely. That's
how I cut you.

Yeah.

And it was like, look, I was
a little guy, so, like, maybe I
couldn't win the fist fight, but I
was going to win the word fight
every time. I was never going to
lose that word battle.

Oh, my God. Okay, so that's good
to know, but.

You have to answer it, too.

I'll fit in with you guys.

No, that's not acceptable.

That is acceptable. That's. I said two,
even though you guys gave one. I.
Yes, but actually, funny story. The Holy
Spirit still convicts because, you know, we
get a little fancier with how we.

You do.

I mean, we get a little fancier
with how we use our words. So
it's like, I'm not gonna go. You're
gonna walk away. Like, did. Did she.
Okay, I'm just gonna leave it alone.
And God was like, you can't do
that. Like, yeah.

So another big one for me is
that gentleness that we, we talked about.
Like, that was. I was talking about
myself on that.

I, I. You guys aren't playing the
game right, because you still need some
guidance in the time display.

Wow. Holy spirit.

I'll just play you. You are. No,
as a real thing. No, I've seen.
No, I've seen you in some situation.
I'm like, I. He's discipling me in
this moment. Like, I would have went
off right.

There, but no, like, I've talked about
it before. Like, my, My nickname in
high school. Football coach called me Smiley.
And it was not because I was
happy.

No, it was.

I played football with a chip on
my shoulder. I was ready to just
knock anybody out that I could all
the time. Like, that was just. That
was my mode. My mode was grumpy.
Like, that was. That was my spiritual
gift at the time, man.

Praise God.

But I'm different now.

Yeah, let's Move into the positive. How
do you feel God has empowered you?
What's one of the boldest things you've
done? Done with the. The guy. Like,
you knew it was the Holy Spirit.
It was not you. Anyone want to
share an experience there?

Sure. As of this time of us
recording, about two hours ago, I got
up on a stage in front of
a few hundred people and I preached
a 45 minute.

But you do that every. You do
that a lot.

Yeah.

You need. You saying you need the
Holy Spirit.

Yeah.

Are you nervous? What's before or.

Sure, but it's not even just nerves.
Like, it's just every. Everything within me
says, this is not what you're supposed
to do. Like, shut up. Sit down.
Like, stay out of people's view. Like,
just the social anxiety that I have
that we talk about way too much,
probably. Like, I feel like every. Every
time I talk to people, it's like
a counseling session, and I'm sitting on
the couch, like, what is going on
here? But, yeah, no, like, everything in

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me is like, let me just hide.
Let me. Let me be behind the
scenes. I would love to serve the
kingdom of God from the back room,
Right. Running switcher, running cg, making sure
the graphics are going up on the
screen at the right time. Running audio,
doing. Running a camera. Like, that would
be my happy place. That would be
where I would be most comfortable, is
where no one can see me, but

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it's my obedience to Christ when I
say my life for the gospel. He
said, bet. All right. Get up on
stage with a microphone. And I'm like,
no, that's not. That's not. You got
the wrong guy. And so, yeah, every
single time I get up on a
stage, every time I use my words
to encourage or teach scripture, like that

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is. That is the Holy Spirit making
that happen.

Okay, we'll take it next.

We'll take it, I guess.

No, that was.

I mean, that's fine, right? Exactly. I
don't know what you're looking for.

You look so confident there. I thought
you were going to give us a
story when you're in a mountain or
something, and. I don't know.

I got mountain stories.

I know you do. That's why I
thought you were gonna land there.

All right, so I was in the
mountains in Burma, and we're walking through
this jungle. It's the middle of the
night. Like, fog is setting in. Like,
it's. It's kind of like an Indiana
Jones vibe moment in the mountains in
Burma. And then all of a sudden,
these little kids Come out of nowhere.
And at first it was kind of
creepy because when. When kids just show
up in the mountains, you're like, I
don't know what's going on. Children of

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the corn moment. And I don't. Yeah,
you want me to keep going?

I don't know what was the boldness
that she was.

The fact that I'm in Burma, like,
is that not so? So we follow
these kids to a village, and there's
a monastery, this Buddhist, like, temple.

Wow.

And we hung out with these Buddhist
monks for a few days and preached
the gospel and.

Wow.

Shared things with people and ate food
that we shouldn't eat and all got
sick and almost died. And.

Yeah, that was pretty bold. Thank God
for the Holy Spirit, you're here.

I got nothing compared to that. I
just.

I wanted a mountain story.

Well, I. I can offer almost mountain
story. Not really. This is where I
believe Holy Spirit is helping from a.
A stretching. Right. So I'm pretty structured.
We had a conversation before this. I
like structure and parameters and stuff like
that. And I remember on a missions

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trip to Cameroon, I was there, and,
you know, I wasn't supposed. Supposed to
speak at this event. It was a
very small. It was a bunch of
missionaries who came from all over the
place, and they were just having, like,
a prayer meeting. And I'm sitting there,
and I had no notes, no prep,
nothing. And so someone asked me to

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go up there and preach. Now, you
know, I grew up to where a
preacher always has a sermon in their
pocket.

Be prepared in season and out of
season.

I had preached several days before that.
So all the sermon, the pocket sermons
were used up.

And so you couldn't reuse one same
audience or something.

Maybe I could have. But in that
moment, it felt that it wasn't time
for a pocket sermon. And so I
literally went up there with just scripture
that just came to me, and I
preached on that scripture. And it was
one of the most powerful moments I've
ever had in my life when Jason

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could not perform. Jason could not be
structured. And I literally never felt that
level of heaviness in a room. We
were outside. It was just like a
little tin covering. But a lot of
us were on the floor just praising
God and worshiping God. And it took

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me so far out of my comfort
zone. It signaled to me the real
power and authority of the Holy Spirit
in my life. Like, it's not about
you. And when I've called you to
do something in a space, just yield
to that and be bold enough to
just say Lord, you'll give me what
to say at the hour, the moment
I need it. And so, for me,

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it was a transformative moment. Going back
to Brett's message, I was transformed because
it taught me I could never unknow
that. How do I want to say
that I could never forget that I
could never not see that ever again.
And so when I get to the
point where I'm overstructured, thinking too much,

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have too many notes, he always brings
me back to that memory, is that
this is not about you. So that's
more of a personal kind of breaking
down the boundaries of who Jason is
to say. Like, I want to do
something beyond your. Who you are and
what you are today.

Yeah, I think that is. That was
good. Thank you for sharing, both of.
Both of you. I think that.

And what about you?

Yeah, there's been times where I feel
like I've read the Scriptures and I'm
not, like, a student like you guys.
Like, y' all, like, study, study. And
David, I would say my husband is
the same. But I feel like in
some conversations, like, I'll get, like, a
random. Like, I don't want to say
revelation because, you know, but it was.

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We had a convert. We were having
a conversation about believers, not. They were
identifying as sinners, and. And not saying.
So I was like, you know, I
don't feel like we should just be
walking around saying, we're sinners. Like, I
know we're sinners saved by grace, but
we are saved by grace. And now
we are. We've been adopted into the
family. We are friends. We are saints.
And I felt like that was a
God moment. So I just feel like

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sometimes he give me these moments that
I wouldn't have studied. He'll just give
me some type of, like, clarity of
scripture that I wouldn't have outside of.

Yeah, well, when Jesus tells his disciples,
I'm gonna say it's better for me
to go away so that I can
send the helper to you. Like, one
of the things Jesus says the helper
is gonna do is he's going to
remind you of what I've been teaching,
and he's going to teach you more
things, because there's. There's not enough time.
Like, I. I can't teach you everything
right now, so you got to be
listening for the Holy Spirit, because he's

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going to be teaching you.

Yeah.

Yeah. I think it's good.

Yeah, those are good moments. Do you
feel like in our society today that
people are really leaning into the Holy
Spirit to help them Walk out, like,
their life. Because we're talking a lot
about the fruit of the Spirit. And
I feel like that's something that God
wants us to really get because, I
mean, it's just hard sometimes to see

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that in our culture. So what do
you think about. About that? Do you
think.

I don't know, maybe Jason has better
insight on this because I'm not all
that well connected to the streets, other
churches. Like, I don't know these streets.
Like, Jason knows these streets.

I'm not in the streets.

Yeah. So I don't know exactly what
other people are doing. What I've seen
for years, and this is what I'm
always. What I've always loved about our
church was this idea of balanced Bible
teaching with the full ministry of the
Spirit. Because what I. What grieves me
sometimes is it seems like the extremes
are the loudest.

Yeah.

Like the people that are screaming, you
know, the Holy Spirit's not going to
make you speak in tongues. That's weird.
And that was only for first century,
and it doesn't exist today. And miracles
don't happen that way. And you can't
lay hands on the sick and see
him heal. Like, I see these, like,
extreme, like, downplaying of the Holy Spirit.
And then I see these extremes where
it's like. Like, Pastor Jerry said it
last week, so I'm okay saying it.

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Like, weird people do weird things. Right.
And so then you've got this other
extreme where it's just like, people are
just going wild to the point where
it's like. You do know that Paul
wrote letters to churches that are behaving
like you.

Yeah.

Like, read the New Testament. He's writing
churches to bring order to the chaos
of their services. And now today, 2,000
years later, we got churches that are
like, embrace the chaos. Let's just run
and do weird things.

Yeah.

And so like. Like, I always found
myself caught in this middle place of.
It's like. Like, yes, the Holy Spirit
is active in doing things, but it's
not this craziness and this weirdness, but
it's not the dead things space that
we see in other places. So what
I've loved about this church growing up
here is just that we've always tried
to find this. This balance where it's

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like, yes, the Holy Spirit is moving.
We don't have to make him weird
or make it the experience weird. Like,
we just follow him. So I don't
know. That's kind of where I'm at.

That's good. I agree. We are Very,
very balanced church here, which has been
very helpful for me because I was
very charismatic and then I became reformed.
Bad combination.

Wow.

Go ahead.

That's interesting. We'll come back to that.
I will say yes. And the reason
being is we don't model what Jesus
did with the disciples to where he
helped them understand that balance. He would
perform a miracle and then teach. He
would give very, I would call it

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lofty illustrations and then give explanation. That
was very practical. So there was Bible
based teaching and discipleship. So I think
a lot of concentration is on the
Sunday experience only and then there isn't
discipleship to walk through the application of
that. Right. And so going back to

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the sermon, I think the beauty of
the sermon was we can acknowledge the
fire and then get to alter and
offering at the same time. Like we're
not in denial about the transformative, even
emotion that is involved in the fire.

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And then we have to understand there's
obedience that comes with it. And so
discipleship, someone that's actually saying, okay, I
saw you shouting. That was a real
good shout on Sunday. How are you
and your wife doing? Because you know
we have to get to that. Right.
And I know you called to be
a prophet and apostle, that's great, but
are you loving her as Christ loved

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the church? And so that movement of
not just recognizing the fire and the
gifts, but also the application and like
this, we're called to live this out
and then get to that point where
people are eating of the fruit of
what we're learning. So I think that
today's church is missing out on the
combination of those things. We are either

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leaning into hyper, the hyper charismatic or
we get too heady and we want
to understand things and we. But we
don't apply in both of those places.
There's little application. It's either head knowledge
or the charismatic, I guess, expression of
it. But there needs to be both.
We need to grow in grace, grow

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in the word. And so it needs
to be both. So I do think
we're missing it. To answer your question.

Yeah. Yeah, I would love to see.
Not revival. What's the word where it's
like for believers to get reactivated? Is
it.

I mean, you could say revival. You
can. What? Which one?

I can't remember.

Okay.

Because revival is for people who do
not know Christ. Right. And then.

Well, like, so that revival is one
of those other like nuance things.

I knew it.

I always got issues with the whole,
we need revival.

Yeah, I knew it.

I knew you need revival if you're
dead Cuz that's, that's what revival means,
to revive. Right, Right. So, man, I
don't want ever want to be in
a church where we're dead and the
only hope is for revival. Like let's,
let's not die. Let's, let's, let's just
be on fire for Jesus all the
time.

Yeah, yeah.

And so, yeah, so people are crying
out for revival. I don't know if
that's an admission that they've died.

And I think it is. I think
there are, we have churches that are
dead and it becomes about tradition and
it comes. And, and again, this is.
Well, let me say even charismatic churches
can be dead.

Oh yeah, absolutely.

Right. So it's not about the outward
expression or emotionalism or emotion. The emotionalism
can be dead, as in empty tombs,
as Jesus called the Pharisees. They are
just empty tombs, whitewashed. So we have
traditions, we have form and fashion. We
have a lot of good music, good
singing, et cetera. Or on the other

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side of that spectrum, very. We have
all the intellect, all the commentaries. We
know every scripture and we teach it
word by word, precept by precept. And,
and no one's being transformed. No one's
ever actually. They, they don't move from
repentance to truly being transformed. So yeah,

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it's revival. I understand is. Is not
the word that's always applicable, but I
do think there are some churches that
have been empty and they're full of
people.

Lacking that presence.

Yeah. Yeah. Which kind of brings me
to kind of the conclusion you ended
your message talking about that fire falling
on the altar. Fire. So what, what
when you say fire, that is levels
to this thing. What do you mean
by fire?

What do you mean by fire?

What do you mean by. Are you
asking me what I mean by saying
what I mean by fire?

So I mean, I don't know how
to answer that question. I mean in,
in Acts 2, it, it says there
was tongues of fire that fell. That
fell on them. Some translations don't faith
fall. It just says appeared or came
on them, came down. But like when
those Old Testament passes, I, I brought
you to. That was literal fire. Like

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fire from heaven fell in, in all
three stories. Yeah, it's this fire that
falls. But with like we sing the
song like firefall.

Yeah.

Like we sing these songs, we talk
about these things. We want this experience
of the fire which, which really just.
It represents the, the power and the
presence of God.

Okay.

When you see in scripture, not every
single time, but a lot of the
Time when you see fire referenced, it
is to the power and the presence
of God. So there's a burning bush.
It's the presence of God speaking to
Moses. And so, like, we see these
moments all throughout. And so what we're
saying in modern. Modern language is we
want to experience the power and the

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presence of God in our lives. So
we call that the. The fire of
God.

All right.

And. And I. I think I was
talking to somebody about that recently. Like,
it makes sense from, like, a ancient
cultural standpoint, because fire would have been
the most powerful, destructive thing imaginable. Like,
there's no guns and cannons. Like, it's
fire. Like, it's man. When fire gets
let loose, it's like, whoa, there's power
behind this thing. And so that's how
they would picture the. The power of

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God. The presence of God.

Was this fire how fire ever fell
on you, Pastor Print?

Sure. Yeah, all the time.

Okay. What. Why are you laughing?

I was gonna ask, so what does
that look like?

Right, Right. Can you tell us what
that was?

Like, it looks different. Like, I don't
think that there's a formula or there's
a. It happens the same way every
time. Like, I. I've had the presence
of God fall in my life in
moments where, like, I was just left
speechless. Like, just. Just literally just. I'm
not weeping. I'm not crying. I'm just
literally just in silence. Like, it's just

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this overwhelmed.

Right.

I've had other times when I'm just
bawling my eyes out like a little
girl that lost her. Her puppy or
something. Like, it's just. Just pouring out
of me.

You can't say that when you're wearing
a pink hoodie.

I'm just playing. Come on, now. Don't
judge my pink hoodies. I like this
hood.

It is nice. It's nice. It's nice.

Judging my pink.

It was just. He fell into it.

Yeah.

So.

But I think that. That, like, when
you're just, like, so aware of the
presence of God, and. Yeah, I've had
that happen in a few different ways.
There's. There's times when we're in worship,
and if you. If you ever see
me in worship, like, all of a
sudden, pull out my cell phone and
sit down. I'm not getting a text
message. I'm writing what the Holy Spirit
is giving me. Like, there's so many

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times when, like, I'm in worship, and
all of a sudden it's just like.
Like, just overload. And so I'm like,
oh, I don't want to miss this
because I know that by the end
of service I'm going to forget what
happened. And so, yeah, I think it
looks different, different ways in different times.
I remember the moment that marked my
life forever is. We've told that story

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before. Of my missions, training and the
internship and getting fake executed and then
sitting in a dark, quiet room and
just worship music playing. And I just.
Man, I wrote down in this journal
my life for the gospel. Like that,
that moment, it was the presence of
God. I just felt. And there's no.
Nobody's praying for me. There's no worship

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like actually taking place. Like they had
like quiet instrumental worship music in the
background just so that you could just
meditate or think. But it was like,
man, that was one of the most
spiritual moments of my life. So, yeah,
it looks. Looks different. It can be
a lot of different things.

Awesome.

What about you, Jason?

Yeah. Because I know you ran around
a church. You did you do laps?

You ever do laps?

I did a lap once, but I
don't. I mean, I wouldn't count that.
I think the Cameroon situation. I will
say it looks like that on one
end where I literally had to bow
down.

Yeah.

Like, if I. It's hard to explain,
but there was such a space of
honoring God. Like the honor only right
thing to do was to honor God
by. By kneeling.

Yeah. And I love. There's. There's been
times. Sorry, I just jumped in. But
like it just, it sparked something. Like
there are times when I want to
bow down.

Yeah.

And there's times when I have.

Yes. To bow down. Agree.

And it's just.

Yeah, I agree with that.

Yeah.

I've. I've had some face on the
floor moments.

Yeah.

Weeping. And I would say I've had
moments where it called me to action
and I had to honor him through
going to pray for someone or going
to hug someone. So it wasn't about
me or, you know, and it never
is about me. But in that moment
it was. It wasn't for me to
soak it in. Right. It was actually

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to. When we talk about being the
hands and feet of Jesus, like it
was one of those moments where that
person for some odd reason needs to
be hugged. And when I did it,
they received the same thing that I
probably would have received when I have
a face down moment. No, they needed
to feel. And one of the things
that comes to mind is the heart
of the Father, for instance, or the

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love from someone. They needed it and
God moved me to do it. So
it can look like kneeling, it can
look like weeping, and it could look
like go tell that person that they
are loved.

Yeah. Yep, for sure. Yeah. That's good.

Fire. Okay.

Fire will fall on you, Tyisha.

Yeah.

What's it look like, Crate?

I'm Crate. No, just like you're.

You're a swinging from the rafters kind
of. I know firefalls and Tyisha's throwing
her shoes.

No, I remember I had an opportunity
to speak at a church and the
guy called me back up to pray
for me. And I. I love praying
for people, but I don't like those
altered churchy call moments, if you know
what I mean. I like praying for
people, but there's.

No idea what you mean.

Okay. Anyway, so I was. I thought
I was done speaking, so I was
gonna sit back and say, oh, no,
come back up. You gotta pray for
people. And in that moment, I was
already checked out. And I remember walking
up to this lady and I just.
Her shoes stood out to me. And
God was like, I need you to
sing a song to her. Order my
steps. And I'm like, sing us right?
I'm supposed to be praying. Like, you
want me to sing? Like, yeah, sing.

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Order my steps. Because I saw her.
Anyway, I sung it to her and
she just started crying and she was
like, I've been asking God to order
my steps and lead me and. And
I was like, oh, okay. Well, praise
God. So I knew it wasn't me.
I knew it was him. So, like,
I've had moments like that. But sometimes,
like Pastor Jerry said, it can be
that those moments when you hear words

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like fire and Pentecost Sunday, it can
feel kind of spirit spooky. And so
I just really. I love that we
keep it very practical, very like a
part of our lives as a disciple,
you know.

And I think it's important for us
to acknowledge the weird when it happens.
Like, like. So, like, we sometimes talk
about, like, you know, the Holy Spirit's
not weird. Well, sometimes he makes you
do weird things like, sing to somebody.

Sing to someone.

Like, that's weird.

Like, that is very weird.

But we can acknowledge, like, where I
think we get into danger is when
all of a sudden it's like, well,
that's my new norm. I'm just going
to go up to people, start singing
their feet. Like, that's going to be
my thing. That's going to be my
ministry. Yeah, I'm going to be the
foot singing minister. Like, what is going
on? Like, you just went just like,
weird. But like, when you read the
Bible. Like, you've got Old Testament prophets
who lay on their side for some

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reason. There's the naked prophet. Like, you
want to read that story? Like, this
is. You got a prophet that's told
to marry a prostitute.

Yeah.

Like, you've got weird things happening. I
mean, Jesus, when he performs miracles, spits
in some mud, rubs it in a
guy's eye. It's like, Jesus, you. You've
spoken a word over people and they
were healed. Did you really have to
make it that nasty? Yeah, like, so,
like, there's. There's weird things that take
place.

Yeah.

And I think it's just when we.
When we start embracing the weird in
such a way, where the. The weird
becomes, like, our go to.

Yeah.

We're like, now all of a sudden,
we're trying to make it weird and
we're chasing it, and we're chasing the
next weird thing. That's when I'm like,
pump the brakes back up. Yeah. The
Holy Spirit might ask you to do
something that is unusual or strange, but
make sure that the Holy Spirit asking
you to do it and it's not
just you being weird.

Yeah, I agree. Well, let's give our
takeaways, guys. We can start with you,
Pastor Jason. What if you had to
leave someone, you know, with a takeaway
from this sermon? What would it be?

I was going to say, don't do
anything weird. I would really encourage and
admonish people to recognize that our fruit
is supposed to be visible and active.
And if there is a space where
you're like, man, that's an area where

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I need to grow. Let that be
the focus of your life for a
while. That could be an area of
submission to where the Lord really wants
to use you. So I would say
focus on the fruit. Not even the
giftedness, not even the emotionalism. Focus on
the fruit. And he has promised us
that fruit. And so you can't go
wrong praying around that fruit and asking

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the Lord to use you and wherever
you are, work, home, family, friends, all
of that. So I would say focus
on the fruit and make sure that.
Focus on the fruit. I'll leave it
there.

No, I love that if you. If
somebody recognizes that there's a fruit of
the spirit that's not active in their
life.

Yeah.

Figure out why.

Yeah.

Because most likely it's because there's something
you're doing that's causing that fruit not
to grow, not to develop. Right. And
so we got to be careful when
we've been walking in the flesh too
much, and it's like, well, yeah, you
don't have the fruit of self control
because you've been indulging in all kinds
of things.

Right, Right.

Like ice cream or churro Sundays, man.
That's my takeaway. Go get yourself a
churro Sunday.

Why? Okay.

Them churro Sundays, like, I'm not. That
was not a preacher moment. That is
a Brent McQuay. These things are amazing.
I think me and Bennett are gonna
run and grab a churro Sunday after
we finish this.

Ask them why you're there if they
have vegan. And then let me know
next week if they have vegan ice
cream, man.

So they, they do have what? Because
it's Mexican. So they have water based
ice creams.

Oh.

So they have milk base and they
have water based. So you just have
to make sure you get the. The
water based.

Thanks for that. You see, that was
a takeaway look.

For like the Fresa strawberries. And it's,
it's liquid. It's a water based. Okay.
Now that's my understanding of in Mexico.
That's how it goes. Now they may
throw something in there.

That'S, you know, in the US.

I don't, I don't testify to veganism.
That's something between you and Rico Loco.

Okay.

I also should say they do sell,
like, food. Like they have tacos and
stuff. I've never had them. I can't.
I can't testify to their tacos. But
that churro Sunday at Rico Loco is
of God.

It is.

I want to go there just to
see, like. Yeah, like, if it, like
how many people came in. I have
to go and ask.

I love it. All right. So my
real takeaway, though, My real takeaway is
how we closed the message. Fire doesn't
fall on empty altars.

Don't mind.

But how did I steal the thing
that I preached? I'm so sorry.

Go ahead.

No, I think that that's the. That's
the reminder that I want to have
for people is sometimes in charismatic churches,
we get really, really hungry for the
power and we fail to actually use
it. For what? For its intended purpose.
Right. The power has purpose. It's to
make us witnesses. And so if we're
hungry for the fire to fall. Awesome.

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But is your life going to be
the altar it falls on? And is
your obedience to what God's telling you
to do gonna be the offering? And
so when Jesus says, go and make
disciples, when he says power is gonna
come upon you and you're gonna be
my witnesses and all these spaces, are
we doing that?

Yeah.

Or do we just like to speak
in tongues. Prophesy and prophesied.

All the glamorous.

Lay hands on the sick.

Right.

See them healed gifts.

I don't. I don't. Iow.

Wow.

What is.

What is going on?

We need an intervention.

We need to scream.

The people who are hosting love the
gifts of the. I don't chase those
gifts. I actually shy away from them
cuz.

Paul said you should desire the gifts.

Yes, I do. Okay. Yes, I do
desire because that's a lot of trick
trickery going on here. Anyway, let me
get my takeaway so that people can.
Can go on about their day. Okay.

And I can go get a churro
Sunday.

Yes.

Strawberry cheesecake ice cream.

Wow.

Cinnamon toast crunch cereal.

Bit focus on the gift.

I'm just gonna end because I feel
like we got all the takeaways we
need.

Come on. Come on, Ty, give us
a takeaway.

No. So my takeaway was very similar
to your yours. I've seen lives be
transformed literally by just being obedient to
God. Like I. There's a sister in
Christ I've been walking with. First of
all, he did it in my life.
When I submitted fully, I've seen my
life change. I had a sister in
Christ I've been walking with literally two

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years. I've seen her struggle, which is
her will. Just recently she was like,
God, I'm done fighting against you. She
submitted like fully to Christ and her
life literally change instantly. So that is.
Is not something that we just hear
about in a sermon or read about
in scriptures. Like, God's word is alive.

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It's active and it's real and so
beautiful. If God is calling you to
obey and submit fully, like, do it,
it will change your life.

Amen.

Yeah. So. All right, there we have
it, guys. I don't know what that
was, but we are in. We are
ending with between sermons. Make sure you
check out that sermon for today.

It's not like over.

It's not over. Over for today.

Gave me a heart attack.

No, for today. Go get your ice
cream and meet us back here next
week. Until then, God bless.

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