February 21, 2024 • 37 mins
In this thrilling episode of Brew's Clues, Mel narrates an intriguing real-life mystery that unfolded in the quaint town of Delta, Ohio. Dive into an absorbing recounting of a summer's day bike ride, marked by friendship and freedom, which soon descends into the ominous unknown as our vivacious protagonist, Sierah Joughin, vanishes without a trace.
Join us for an emotionally stirring, intellectually provoking deep-dive into this horrific crime and the inspiring tale of a family's fight for justice, love and safety for their community.
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Music.
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That's so great. Thank you for joining us. Don't look behind you.
Welcome to Bruise Clues. I almost forgot the name of our podcast.
Bruise Clues. It's been a minute and we're so glad to be back recording.
How have you been? I've been good. It's holidays, it's vacations, it's life.
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I don't know. I don't know. There's a lot going on.
There's a lot. We have a bunch of episodes saved up. We have some we need to
rerecord now that we know somewhat what we're doing so you don't have to listen to us in a tin can.
That's a work in progress. It is. And we're making it right.
We're making it right for you listeners. Yes. Because I hate,
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I have tried listening to random podcasts and if the quality of the audio isn't there, I can't.
It's very difficult to listen to. So we hear you.
We hear you. We're responding accordingly.
Yes. So yeah, so we're getting ready for the holidays around here.
Lisa has all her holiday decor up and makes me so, I feel so jealous.
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This is not even half of it. Holy cannoli.
I'm not even, I haven't even begun. Holy Christmas cannoli. This was the first
day where I just, November 1st, sweaty, running, because it's Florida,
so I'm going to be sweaty in the attic.
But I was too excited, just running up there, switching boxes.
And Lucy wanted the tree. so lucy's
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six and she wanted to put up the tree she
threw on her hat and she's taking things out going jingle bells oh my god she
lily couldn't care less she was like whatever i'm excited about christmas but
lucy and me we were like yeah oh and i love that i have a surprise for us are you ready Yes. Really?
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Get out with her. She snuck some snacks in here.
I'm so hungry. Can I eat that now? You can eat it now. Oh, my.
We have a little Debbie. I have not had those in years. Christmas trees.
Are you kidding me? No, I don't eat these, but I do now. This is the only one
I eat, and they probably all taste the same. It's the same recipe,
but you know what? Amazing.
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I'm coming over here all the time. Listen. Okay. That is the sound of a Christmas tree Little Debbie,
And we're not telling anyone about it Take a bite and tell me what you think
Because you haven't had it in so long I had one like yesterday I just think
it tastes Like Christmas,
Tastes like a Hallmark movie Wow,
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That's beautiful. It is. I love it. It's so sweet. It pairs great with this beer.
And cakey. The icing. I'm going to take one more bite because I've got to record.
I've got to tell my story here. Yes.
And I saw on Pinterest you could do some kind of, you take these and you mash
them up with Cool Whip and you make like a Christmas tree cake dip.
But then I'm like, what do you dip in it? So you're just taking cakes,
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basically. Those cinnamon pitas, pita chips.
Oh, pita chips would be somewhat healthy. Yeah. Yeah, because people had spreads
with like Oreos and gingerbread.
I'm like, yeah, this is all great. But I have high blood pressure and high cholesterol.
And yeah, I'm trying not to die. I mean, don't die. I'm on medication. Don't die over dip.
I mean, unless it's Christmas tree dip or buffalo chicken dip.
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I'm willing to maybe risk it.
Not that dip. Correct. Not your Christmas dip.
I'm with you in the buffalo chicken dip. Yeah. Girl, I would bathe in that.
Love me some buffalo chicken. I'm going to make some. Okay. Next time.
Next recording. We're just going to do pairings. I'm so hungry now.
This is great. All right. Let's on to the story and we can try and calm ourselves down.
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All right. Okay. Here we go. Let's get started.
A few years ago, I went to visit a friend in upstate New York.
One day, we took our bikes out and rode from her grandparents' house.
They had a house in their family they'd had for eons. and we were staying in that house.
And so we took these bikes out and we rode to some cherry tree fields close by to pick cherries.
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It was a gorgeous summer day and we felt so free riding around the quiet roads
without a car or person around for seemingly miles and miles.
Speaking of Hallmark movies. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
It felt like that. I mean, just two girlfriends riding around,
laughing, having a great time. The summer sun was out. We just felt also free.
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That feeling should be something every young woman has access to with the knowledge
that the only danger she may encounter is a flat tire or some sudden summer rainstorm.
But the story I have today didn't end in a cherry field or back at a family
member's house after a long bike ride.
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And these stories are what pull us into true crime.
How do we stay safe when something as as innocent as a bike ride could go so terribly wrong.
Our story takes place in Delta, Ohio. Delta is a village located in the northwest
corner of Ohio with a population of 3,316 people.
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Known for its vast cornfields and small-town feel, Delta boasts a rich history,
friendly people, and beautiful scenic vistas.
And it's one of those places where true crime does not exist.
We all know those places.
You don't lock your doors. Yeah. Everyone knows everyone.
Yeah, and especially not violent crime.
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So in the afternoon of July 19th, 2016, Sierra Jogan left her grandparents'
home where she was staying while on summer break from her time at the University
of Toledo's Junior College of Business.
Sierra took to the road on her purple road bike and headed over to her boyfriend
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Josh's house a few miles from her grandparents' home.
Sierra was bright, beautiful, smart. She was young, 20-year-old, at the prime of her life.
And she was described by friends and family as the life of the party and super ambitious.
Sounds like she lit up the room. It's possible. She lit up the room.
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She did. Yeah. She did it well. I'll say that.
Sierra's bike ride of about six miles over to her boyfriend's house that day was uneventful.
Other than being super hot from the ride Sierra didn't mention anything out
of the ordinary when she arrived,
she spent a little bit of time with her boyfriend and then decided it was time
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to bike back home remember it was a six mile bike ride so and it was in summer
so it was hot a little bit of a trek yeah okay,
So Josh was admittedly old school and he insisted on riding his motorcycle alongside
Sierra as she pedaled home. Good on you, Josh.
Yep. He actually took a video of the two quote unquote biking together that
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evening and posted it to social media.
He was making a joke saying we're going on a bike ride and he's on his motorcycle
and she's actually pedaling. It's pretty cute.
That joke because everybody at the brewery had bikes, like bike,
real bikes. And I was like, Like, let's go have a bike club, guys.
I feel you. He did the same thing. It was super cute.
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So the video is short, but he chose Sierra grinning and riding her bike alongside
Josh, who was on his motorcycle.
Note to kids, please don't selfie and drive. Be safe. Yes.
Hashtag put the phone down. Correct. So about halfway to Sierra's grandparents'
house, she told Josh to head back home.
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And she was fine. fine she was not
taping me josh i'm sweaty josh i want to get
home i love you but please back down and
so he listened to her about another mile down
the road so he decided to turn around before he
left her he kissed her to goodbye he told her he
loved her and asked her to text him when
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she got home that was the last time he would
see ciara alive wait was it dark by
the time she left his his house around 7 p.m so
it's summertime so no so no it wasn't yeah it's like
dusk right and but it wasn't dark this was ohio
right so we were in michigan and it didn't
get dark until almost 10 o'clock it
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was crazy like it would it was definitely very
bright at seven yeah so i mean i
assume it's probably about the same maybe
a little bit less less bright but
still exactly yeah so it was good it
wasn't pitch black on these roads correct
yep and he went with her halfway more than
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halfway actually so around 9
p.m that evening sierra's mom was
driving by her parents house remember sierra was.
Staying with her grandparents yeah and
that was just because of the room they had an extra room at her at their house
versus her mom's house so her mom lived right around the the corner and this
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is where she grew up and stuff and she just wants yeah so around 9 p.m that
evening sierra's mom was driving by her parents house and noticed the sierra's bedroom was dark.
Normally that time of night, Sierra would still be awake and the bedroom light would still be on.
Around the same time, Josh noticed Sierra hadn't texted when she arrived home.
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Thinking that was odd and uncharacteristic of her, he tried calling her phone.
Her phone was going straight to voicemail.
Feeling more concerned, Josh called Sierra's mom and explained that he hadn't
heard from her since he saw her last and wondered if she was okay. Okay.
Sierra's mom called her parents and asked if they could check the bedroom where Sierra was staying.
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They checked the bedroom. They checked the house, the yard, and the barn where
she would have parked her bike.
The fact that not even much time has passed and Josh is on it is amazing.
He has her family's numbers.
They're all calling around looking for her. This was so quick that that they
realize something was wrong, not like her, and they're on it. This is so great.
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I mean, it's not great, but it's great that she has so much love and people that care about her.
Yeah, and new things that were uncharacteristic of her.
Right. I mean, if she normally turned her phone off or, like,
ghosted him or something, it would be out of the ordinary.
Yeah, if I go to my car and Trey feels like something's wrong,
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I want him to do the same thing. Like I want him immediately to be like,
listen, something's up. Yes. Yeah.
So couldn't find her. They looked everywhere.
So then the police were called and the search party began.
The first item found was her bicycle. About half of a mile from where Josh had
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left her, that's where they found the bike.
That's never good. So this is summertime in Ohio. The corn was tall and green,
and a bike was set back a few rows from the road.
So it was in the corn.
It was in the corn. The police actually noticed that a couple of the corn stalks
were smooshed down in a full perfect row.
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They noticed that and so they thought to look there and they found her bike.
That's the most terrifying thing. Was somebody waiting in the corn or did somebody
push her in the corn? Yeah, we'll get to that.
Oh my gosh. Okay, so we lived in a small town in Michigan and this brings me
to I did so many runs on a dirt road along cornfields and just along like farms
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and stuff and just so many things like this. Like I would jog.
I was training for a half marathon that I did in Detroit.
And I did 12 miles around this super tiny town. So I went everywhere.
And some of it was remote.
Yeah. And you shouldn't be crazy. You shouldn't.
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I felt great. I felt so wonderful.
And besides dying, besides the fact that you're running, besides the fact that
I'm sorry, honey, I had to like, Like, get to the tree.
Get to the stop sign now. That's how I run.
One foot in front of the other. Don't fall place forward.
Besides that, once I did it, I'm like, I'm freaking awesome.
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Look at me. Yeah. Can't touch me.
Yeah. But the fact, yeah, just you're enjoying nature. Just being outside on
a nice day. You should just.
Should be able to relax into it. You should. Yeah. I don't like this.
So they found her bike in the corn field.
A struggle was also noticed near the bike, along with trace amounts of blood and a motorcycle track.
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A few other items were found near the bike. A pair of men's sunglasses,
a screwdriver, and further away, a motorcycle helmet.
Not Josh. So Josh was interviewed soon after the bike was found and the motorcycle
tracks were discovered.
But he was quickly ruled out as a person of interest.
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I mean he seems so sweet but that could be an
act because what are the odds that he wanted to ride
with her home so nothing happened and then she convinced him
to turn around and then something actually happens i mean yeah the
odds are probably good but it's always like your
partner they always look at your partner right yeah but it
was not josh everyone so yeah he's cleared so
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his motorcycle helmet was accounted for and he had
a solid alibi for the rest of the evening so josh was
i wanted to put that super early in the story good on you
josh yeah and he was very cooperative and
the fact that he like is calling everybody called everyone he's
just yeah concerned he was on top of it so
the investigators then took to the areas around where
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the bike was found canvassing neighbors and
locals for more information and possible leads or
if anyone knew anything they eventually interviewed
a man by the name of james worley i
don't like his name no a local
man who lived about two miles from where her bike was
left probably in the cornfields like i could just see him like probably wearing
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a plaid shirt he doesn't have hair but he has hair like around his head oh quite
the imagery he might have have glasses and a mustache is this clue does anyone
have guys with glasses and mustache.
It's just like in movies like 80s 90s movies
like creepers yeah the full-on with like the circle
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big glasses super big glasses yeah exactly also just
i we said jeffrey dahmer earlier and i just have
that in my head so maybe glasses are sticking in my head
night stalker imagery yeah okay no not
night stalker jeffrey dahmer i know but night stalker also didn't
they have the sketch of his like glasses were super big i think
did he have glasses i can't remember i
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for some reason that or zodiac head oh we're
gonna look it up okay we'll look it up okay she'll do that and i'll be looking
stuff up not relevant to the story at all that was a total tangent nope and
we're back all right they eventually interviewed a man by the name of james
worley which we don't like that
name a local man who lived about two miles from where her bike was left,
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James seemed particularly interested in talking to the police.
He opened up and shared that he had been in the area the night of Sierra's disappearance.
He stated his motorcycle had broken down and he stopped in that area to fix
his bike so he could make it back home.
So get this. This is wild. Another witness interviewed by police noted a white
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panel van speeding through the area the same night.
They had the foresight everyone turn
up the volume they had the foresight to
take down the license plate number and it
turned out to be orly's van wild i don't know about you guys but anytime i see
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a white van i take down the license plate number wild what are you guys doing
in there why can't we see where are the windows it's a small town and one van
goes speed speeding down down the road. Why are you in such a hurry?
Someone wrote down the license plate. That is wild.
I'm sorry. That is a wild. It is. Someone had a pen. I can never find a pen.
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And a piece of paper. I can never find a pen. Where's the goddamn pen?
Okay. But when the circumstances call for it, maybe they didn't even have a pen.
Maybe it was that suspicious that it stuck out to them. It must have been.
I would love to talk to this person. There was a time where we were having a
birthday party and somebody kept stopping like slowing down at the house in front of the kids,
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turned out it was just somebody we
know that knows the kids it's like it was like an
uncle of one of the kids or something so not at all creepy but we couldn't see
him at first we didn't know the car at first I could still tell you the freaking
license plate which I'm not gonna say but when something is off you're just
like boom you got it it's just I'm I'm just so impressed by that fact.
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I mean, that is crazy, though, that somebody... I mean, if you see a white van
speeding, though, like... A white van just speeding.
A white panel van speeding. I don't know. It just blew my mind.
It's such a detail that, like... Did they have, like... It's not an ice cream truck.
Where is he going in a hurry? Like, what is he doing? Yeah, but I mean,
to write it down, I don't know. I'm not that person.
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I am not that person. I can't even tell you...
If I see anybody that I don't like... the person who checked me
out at the republics this morning looked like i'm not
that person please don't ever ask me to come and testify on the
witness stand i will not know anything i won't
even know why i'm there are you trying to be that person being a true crime
person like you're trying to like mold your mind to remember i'd like to i'd
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like to have those yes you need to remember i would love to have those instincts
i just know that i don't but to have okay so i think a while super long tangent,
just skip ahead 30 seconds. I also have a quick, okay, yeah.
Wasn't it that long ago i i just told us about
a story in tampa when i was there and there was
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a white van i didn't write down the license plate and that
was extremely suspicious yeah but you
guys were also drinking and you were with your friends that
intoxicated yeah but you had people around
and you're being very sweet i need to do better just
say do better do better do better do better crime people
lighting up rooms and trusting everybody stop stop
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it do better i should do do better i feel so bad
reading this like thinking my gosh i i
had an opportunity to write down a white panel
yeah that was being suspicious
but what do we even so i guess you just write
it down and then if anything comes out in the news then what
do you like how do you know to turn it
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in what do you say to police you just write it down and say i
don't like this van i have a feeling I'm
just telling you guys this little you must have to
keep me down a tailspin because
I'm like yes I had all the questions I
was like where did where did they find a pin they were speeding how did they
follow them how did they see it in a flash if they were speeding where were
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they speeding by did they have a piece of paper handy did they keep the paper
so in suspicious folder I need to create Greatest suspicious folder.
You know what I'm getting you for Christmas is a little notebook where you could
write down with a white van on it and be like, there's my white van notebook,
like Scooby-Doo. Like if you had merch. Yeah.
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Right here. Merch. Merch. Trademarked. Don't do it. Stop it.
Stop it. White van. White van. Notepad.
License plate numbers. Oh my gosh. Okay. It's better to be safe.
But yes, I am very... I forgot what I was going to say. I said...
I don't know, but I'm going to... You make something up so I can finish this
Christmas tree. Okay. So...
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It's a lovely night oh boy she forgot okay
i forgot i totally did okay let her
eat the christmas tree people let her have this indulgence i
i need another beer so they had the foresight to take
down the license plate number and it turned out to be worley's van
and remember worley's story was that
he had his motorcycle out and his
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motorcycle was breaking down and that's why why
he was on that same road so based on
dna at the scene of her bike and the
witness's statement about the van they found
both worley's dna and and sierra's dna at the scene and the the statement about
the van the police had enough evidence to search his property and this is when
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the story turns into a nightmare it's so crazy so then i guess just if it came
out on the news that that something happened.
They probably just took it down. I'm still stuck on the license plate.
They probably just took it down saying, better safe than sorry.
And then if something came out, they were like, oh, suspicious.
Yes, I bet I'll turn this in. And then, boom, connection.
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That's wild. You guys, this is why we do this. Like, write down license plates.
Yeah, I'm going to do better.
Upon searching a barn on Whirly's property, authorities discovered a hidden room.
I just have to sigh like please don't
do guys please don't okay hidden freaking
room like this is guys serial killer
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101 that they're like okay this watch this
guys this is my dungeon this reminds me of this the lovely bones did you see
that or read that no it was well i don't want to split spoiler alert skip ahead
it's it's so sad it's about like a girl in the neighborhood at one of her neighbors
or something somebody i think it's her neighbor but somebody she knows.
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He ended up like in a field on
her way home from school had a hidden room
and was like gross come down and okay
i killed her but yeah just hidden rooms i don't know yeah don't do it don't
have available visible rooms so serial killers are like no thank you so upon
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searching the barn They discovered a hidden room where they found several pairs of women's underwear,
some of which had blood on them, restraints, and under some wood panels on the floor,
inset into the floor of the barn, they found a carpet-lined freezer with the
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interior stained with blood.
It was like a deep freezer. Yeah. But he had carved out a hole in the floor
of the barn and inset this freezer into the floor. So it was like built in almost.
Like he made it built in. Into the floor, insulated, and carpet lined.
And the carpet had blood on it. But there was nothing in it.
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When they opened it up, nothing was in there. Just the blood-soaked carpet. Oh, my God.
They also found blood on Worley's motorcycle.
As well as zip tie restraints. So he literally had zip ties pre-tied.
Yeah. And a ski mask in his truck.
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Sierra's DNA was found on a piece of duct tape and on an inflatable mattress found in the barn.
So this was enough. This was just enough.
Period. This was enough to throw him in the freezer and lock it and call it a day.
So this was enough for police to arrest Worley and the same day they made their
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rest, they found Sierra's body.
Wow. Sierra was discovered in a shallow grave along County Road 7,
a few miles from Worley's property.
She was hogtied. This is a little graphic. She was hogtied, had a large plastic
toy in her mouth which functioned as a gag and was wearing an adult diaper.
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Her cause of death was determined to be asphyxiation caused by the gag,
and there was no evidence of sexual assault.
So he did it just to do it. Like he liked the fear or something.
Potentially. Or he had planned to do more and she just asphyxiated.
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Yeah. Yeah. Or there was somebody that came upon them almost or something. Who knows?
So during the trial in which Worley pleaded not guilty, of course,
piece of shit, a previous victim of Worley testified.
Her account of Worley's attack on her had very similar elements as Sierra's.
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She testified that in July of 1990, Worley ran her down with his truck,
threatened to kill her if she didn't come with him, and held a screwdriver to her neck.
At that time, he was sentenced four to ten years, but only served three years
and was released early. Wow. Good behavior.
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Yeah. Yeah, he's such a good guy. Great behavior. I'm just, I'm trying,
like, when you were saying that, I was trying to picture in my
my head because where else do you picture stop steven trying
to picture just walking and having that happen
can you imagine if somebody pulls up next to you and
starts yelling those things no i don't know
what i would do or she has to hit you with a car or or
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in this case of sierra they i don't
know if my mind would work that fast i'd be like what the hell is happening
i think of the fight or flight or freeze yeah
i would freeze i think i'm more of a freeze person just
because because i'm like i don't know what i would do i just don't know
i don't know and in the case of sierra they believe that
he hit her over the head while she was biking by him with his motorcycle helmet
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so she she was oh so she might have not even seen him coming i mean potentially
maybe she saw him and like just biked near him you know thinking yeah she's broken down and yeah.
So, Worley's case, the case with Ciara, was weak at best, and the jury was quick
to turn around a verdict of guilty.
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Capital punishment was on the table, and the judge sentenced Worley to death.
After years of appeal, his final appeal was denied by the court,
and an execution date of May 20th, 2025 has been set for Worley.
Oh, so he's still alive, so we could still talk shit to him. Hey, listen up.
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Just based on your name, we knew that you sucked at life. Get him. You're awful.
Get him, Lisa. Get him. Get him. You will never have a Little Debbie's Christmas
tree. Oh, my God. They're delicious. I'm almost done with mine.
You will never know the magic of Christmas.
Unless it was his last meal request, which would be really weird.
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This is like Santa Claus talking shit. I don't know what I'm doing.
All right. You will have coal in your stocking, sir. Wow. Thank you.
This Christmas spirit is sitting next to me. I feel it.
Okay. So the best way to fight darkness is with light.
And that's what Ciara's family has done since she was taken from them in 2016.
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So I want to tell you about Ciara's Law.
So after the murder and trial, Ciara's family and other activists came together with their community.
And they worked to put
into place a way to warn public
the public of offenders in their
area so they felt like registry that
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we have now it well in their area this is
they introduced so they introduced senate bill 67 sierra's
law and it was put together in 2017
and the bill was intended to
allow the public to search on a website for offenders with
the qualifying convictions similar to sex offender a
registry so it's similar to that okay but it's more i think it's more violent
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any violent or anything after several hearings with some opponents such as the
aclu argued that the bill did nothing to protect the public the bill was changed
so that residents must visit the local sheriff's office to request a search
to be performed oh god how dare you like It's the internet.
Give us access to everything because that's what it's for.
Yeah. In November of 2017, Sierra's law was introduced in the Ohio Senate as Senate Bill 231.
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Sierra's mother spoke before legislators in November 2018, urging them to pass the bill.
It was passed on December 6, 2018, and signed into law on December 19,
and it went into effect March 20, 2019. Thank you.
So I'm, you know, what do you do with all that pain? I don't know.
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But this is actual physical things that they did.
They had, they have a scholarship fund.
They've put together a ton of memorial stuff for her.
It just, you can feel the pain reading this story and going through this.
And our hearts really go out to their, to her family, to Sierra's family.
We know she's in a better place. It's beautiful that they were able to find a silver lining in it.
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And I think in any of these stories, when the families just turn their pain
to rage and then to action,
I feel like that's kind of a process,
but that who knows if any of us went through like what it would be.
I think, you know, if you just lay in bed, it's fine. I think we said this before.
Like if you just lay in bed and you get up and shower, that's also fine.
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You're a rock star. You're doing awesome. but the families
that you know just try and turn something
positive into it it's it's great yeah and that's the story i loved it all right
cheers cheers second beer hey no big deal which one do i talk about there's
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so many i'll talk about this one i have wicked weed brewing what is this Yes, Perrin.
Perrin. Oh, wait. Jesus Christ.
Perrin, but then it says Perinicious. Pernicious. Pernicious.
I don't know. It's an IPA from Wicked Weed Brewing. Thank you very much.
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It's lovely. I don't like the super bitter IPAs. I can't do...
People say too many hops, but it's not the hops that make it bitter.
I don't like the IBUs being too high.
Hops are fine, different tastes
of hops. But I feel like the IBUs on this have to be somewhere below.
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I don't know what it is, but it has to be somewhere below like the 60 range
because I don't typically go higher than that. Nice. I like it. Okay, cool.
I pair as well with cakes. cakes christmas tree
cakes everyone that i finished devoured in the telling of that story i've got
tropical beer hugs it's an imperial ipa from goose island beer company zach
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if you're listening all of this beer is from your beer french 9.9 so thank you for that uh.
It's more a beach vacation for your taste buds i feel like that's a stretch
i mean it's very good I think it's it's very drinkable it doesn't taste like
it's 9.9 percent so anytime that occurs.
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Cheers to you yes you know but you don't it's also
not one you'd want to drink at the beach right no no
no I'd want to have like a salsa or light beer yeah I
think that's a that's a bit of a swing and a miss
maybe my taste buds are
at the beach but even then you know but but yeah
I mean it's a cute can it's pretty it's very
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it draws your eye in and overall it is
it's like teal it has a bear on it with sunglasses he's
cute yeah so anyway it's drinkable it's delicious
so very nice yeah here we are yeah so
what'd you think i liked it i feel like
i might have once you started describing the
story i might have heard it on uh one of those shows 2020 maybe
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maybe 2020 2020 I've been falling
asleep to that recently nice bedtime
stories oh man soothe me to sleep but
I I agree with you that I just feel like
you should be able to be carefree no matter what age you are I mean she was
in college and this was you're not a real adult yet kind of you know so she's
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she's visiting her family she's hanging out with her boyfriend felt the safest like the The safest.
That's what gets me. She was less than a mile from her grandparents' house.
Oh, my God. That's disgusting. Less than a mile.
That's the safest you feel. Mm-hmm. On a bicycle. On a bicycle.
Wild i couldn't imagine that i used to go stay at my grandparents
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in connecticut and my grandma's neighborhood like
we used i i know that neighborhood like the back of my hand it
feels so safe and i it's so
crazy yeah it's really upsetting i don't even know but it's these types of stories
like i said that really draws in because you wonder like how could i make this
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more safe yes what could i have done what could have ciara done different not
that that she did anything wrong.
No. But like, how could her mom, or like, how could we prevent,
any of this, from happening? Like, what could we do better?
And, the assholes, who do these crimes, are the, are the people that,
make you think like, they should be doing better.
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Like, we should just be able to live our lives. But you end up with that, as a takeaway. Mm-hmm.
Because, we know they're not going to change, because they don't care.
They're narcissistic. They just, they don't want to change. They think they're fine.
Yeah. And, we so we end up
being like what can we do to avoid you because
we know you're out there and you're fine living safer so
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that i think that's why sometimes these laws come
up because they don't want another family to feel that pain even though none
of these people could have done anything differently it was kind of just like
wrong place wrong time or they were being stalked and you know you don't know
these things when it's happening it's so we don't know if he lived there if he just...
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It was like crime of opportunity. Had he watched Sierra before?
Like nobody? He lived nearby and I think truly this was a crime of opportunity.
I really do. Yeah. I think he was just riding by.
But what about the room? Nothing else was ever tied to him? So he...
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You don't build a room and then just be like, okay, waiting for my...
So he had that one case, the victim that testified. Oh, yeah, yeah.
And then there was another woman who was a sex worker and she went missing and
she was potentially tied to him, but they never found her body and they could
never tie that to him officially.
Okay. He ended up telling his social worker or counselor,
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who he was probably court mandated to go see, that the next person he would
do this to he would bury and cr was buried wow.
So it's like there's no
rehabilitation for this person there's not you
know sometimes we say with some people they they don't belong in jail but some
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people do and he does because there's no getting better you don't want to get
better you're you're too it's just this darkness that That you can't get out
of. You don't deserve to be around society.
Right. The rest of us. Yeah. Yeah, you're not safe.
But then that's hard because how do you know the people that are acting like
they want to get better? And then the people that I feel like you just know. I don't know.
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I don't know. And that's what let him out early. Oh, God.
That's what let him out early. Three years and a four to ten year sentence.
I mean, I don't know. No, there's so many questions because it's like there
are people out there who are let out early and don't mess up again.
Right. So it's just, yeah, it's just horrible.
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Well, I feel like if you kill maliciously with malicious intent,
not, you know, negligent homicide, not anything like that.
But if you are like first degree murder and they find that you planned it out,
you had the intent, you probably just shouldn't come out. I don't know. Yeah.
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Unless it was like a domestic abuse situation.
I don't know. God. I know. Well, that's not for us to determine today. So many loopholes.
Okay. We're never going to solve this, but we'll figure it out. Yeah. One of these days.
But thank you for listening. Keep listening. And remember to...
Music.
Music.
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That's so great. Thank you for joining us. Don't look behind you.
Welcome to Bruise Clues. I almost forgot the name of our podcast.
Bruise Clues. It's been a minute and we're so glad to be back recording.
How have you been? I've been good. It's holidays, it's vacations, it's life.
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I don't know. I don't know. There's a lot going on.
There's a lot. We have a bunch of episodes saved up. We have some we need to
rerecord now that we know somewhat what we're doing so you don't have to listen to us in a tin can.
That's a work in progress. It is. And we're making it right.
We're making it right for you listeners. Yes. Because I hate,
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I have tried listening to random podcasts and if the quality of the audio isn't there, I can't.
It's very difficult to listen to. So we hear you.
We hear you. We're responding accordingly.
Yes. So yeah, so we're getting ready for the holidays around here.
Lisa has all her holiday decor up and makes me so, I feel so jealous.
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This is not even half of it. Holy cannoli.
I'm not even, I haven't even begun. Holy Christmas cannoli. This was the first
day where I just, November 1st, sweaty, running, because it's Florida,
so I'm going to be sweaty in the attic.
But I was too excited, just running up there, switching boxes.
And Lucy wanted the tree. so lucy's
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six and she wanted to put up the tree she
threw on her hat and she's taking things out going jingle bells oh my god she
lily couldn't care less she was like whatever i'm excited about christmas but
lucy and me we were like yeah oh and i love that i have a surprise for us are you ready Yes. Really?
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Get out with her. She snuck some snacks in here.
I'm so hungry. Can I eat that now? You can eat it now. Oh, my.
We have a little Debbie. I have not had those in years. Christmas trees.
Are you kidding me? No, I don't eat these, but I do now. This is the only one
I eat, and they probably all taste the same. It's the same recipe,
but you know what? Amazing.
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I'm coming over here all the time. Listen. Okay. That is the sound of a Christmas tree Little Debbie,
And we're not telling anyone about it Take a bite and tell me what you think
Because you haven't had it in so long I had one like yesterday I just think
it tastes Like Christmas,
Tastes like a Hallmark movie Wow,
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That's beautiful. It is. I love it. It's so sweet. It pairs great with this beer.
And cakey. The icing. I'm going to take one more bite because I've got to record.
I've got to tell my story here. Yes.
And I saw on Pinterest you could do some kind of, you take these and you mash
them up with Cool Whip and you make like a Christmas tree cake dip.
But then I'm like, what do you dip in it? So you're just taking cakes,
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basically. Those cinnamon pitas, pita chips.
Oh, pita chips would be somewhat healthy. Yeah. Yeah, because people had spreads
with like Oreos and gingerbread.
I'm like, yeah, this is all great. But I have high blood pressure and high cholesterol.
And yeah, I'm trying not to die. I mean, don't die. I'm on medication. Don't die over dip.
I mean, unless it's Christmas tree dip or buffalo chicken dip.
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I'm willing to maybe risk it.
Not that dip. Correct. Not your Christmas dip.
I'm with you in the buffalo chicken dip. Yeah. Girl, I would bathe in that.
Love me some buffalo chicken. I'm going to make some. Okay. Next time.
Next recording. We're just going to do pairings. I'm so hungry now.
This is great. All right. Let's on to the story and we can try and calm ourselves down.
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All right. Okay. Here we go. Let's get started.
A few years ago, I went to visit a friend in upstate New York.
One day, we took our bikes out and rode from her grandparents' house.
They had a house in their family they'd had for eons. and we were staying in that house.
And so we took these bikes out and we rode to some cherry tree fields close by to pick cherries.
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It was a gorgeous summer day and we felt so free riding around the quiet roads
without a car or person around for seemingly miles and miles.
Speaking of Hallmark movies. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
It felt like that. I mean, just two girlfriends riding around,
laughing, having a great time. The summer sun was out. We just felt also free.
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That feeling should be something every young woman has access to with the knowledge
that the only danger she may encounter is a flat tire or some sudden summer rainstorm.
But the story I have today didn't end in a cherry field or back at a family
member's house after a long bike ride.
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And these stories are what pull us into true crime.
How do we stay safe when something as as innocent as a bike ride could go so terribly wrong.
Our story takes place in Delta, Ohio. Delta is a village located in the northwest
corner of Ohio with a population of 3,316 people.
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Known for its vast cornfields and small-town feel, Delta boasts a rich history,
friendly people, and beautiful scenic vistas.
And it's one of those places where true crime does not exist.
We all know those places.
You don't lock your doors. Yeah. Everyone knows everyone.
Yeah, and especially not violent crime.
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So in the afternoon of July 19th, 2016, Sierra Jogan left her grandparents'
home where she was staying while on summer break from her time at the University
of Toledo's Junior College of Business.
Sierra took to the road on her purple road bike and headed over to her boyfriend
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Josh's house a few miles from her grandparents' home.
Sierra was bright, beautiful, smart. She was young, 20-year-old, at the prime of her life.
And she was described by friends and family as the life of the party and super ambitious.
Sounds like she lit up the room. It's possible. She lit up the room.
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She did. Yeah. She did it well. I'll say that.
Sierra's bike ride of about six miles over to her boyfriend's house that day was uneventful.
Other than being super hot from the ride Sierra didn't mention anything out
of the ordinary when she arrived,
she spent a little bit of time with her boyfriend and then decided it was time
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to bike back home remember it was a six mile bike ride so and it was in summer
so it was hot a little bit of a trek yeah okay,
So Josh was admittedly old school and he insisted on riding his motorcycle alongside
Sierra as she pedaled home. Good on you, Josh.
Yep. He actually took a video of the two quote unquote biking together that
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evening and posted it to social media.
He was making a joke saying we're going on a bike ride and he's on his motorcycle
and she's actually pedaling. It's pretty cute.
That joke because everybody at the brewery had bikes, like bike,
real bikes. And I was like, Like, let's go have a bike club, guys.
I feel you. He did the same thing. It was super cute.
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So the video is short, but he chose Sierra grinning and riding her bike alongside
Josh, who was on his motorcycle.
Note to kids, please don't selfie and drive. Be safe. Yes.
Hashtag put the phone down. Correct. So about halfway to Sierra's grandparents'
house, she told Josh to head back home.
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And she was fine. fine she was not
taping me josh i'm sweaty josh i want to get
home i love you but please back down and
so he listened to her about another mile down
the road so he decided to turn around before he
left her he kissed her to goodbye he told her he
loved her and asked her to text him when
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she got home that was the last time he would
see ciara alive wait was it dark by
the time she left his his house around 7 p.m so
it's summertime so no so no it wasn't yeah it's like
dusk right and but it wasn't dark this was ohio
right so we were in michigan and it didn't
get dark until almost 10 o'clock it
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was crazy like it would it was definitely very
bright at seven yeah so i mean i
assume it's probably about the same maybe
a little bit less less bright but
still exactly yeah so it was good it
wasn't pitch black on these roads correct
yep and he went with her halfway more than
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halfway actually so around 9
p.m that evening sierra's mom was
driving by her parents house remember sierra was.
Staying with her grandparents yeah and
that was just because of the room they had an extra room at her at their house
versus her mom's house so her mom lived right around the the corner and this
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is where she grew up and stuff and she just wants yeah so around 9 p.m that
evening sierra's mom was driving by her parents house and noticed the sierra's bedroom was dark.
Normally that time of night, Sierra would still be awake and the bedroom light would still be on.
Around the same time, Josh noticed Sierra hadn't texted when she arrived home.
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Thinking that was odd and uncharacteristic of her, he tried calling her phone.
Her phone was going straight to voicemail.
Feeling more concerned, Josh called Sierra's mom and explained that he hadn't
heard from her since he saw her last and wondered if she was okay. Okay.
Sierra's mom called her parents and asked if they could check the bedroom where Sierra was staying.
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They checked the bedroom. They checked the house, the yard, and the barn where
she would have parked her bike.
The fact that not even much time has passed and Josh is on it is amazing.
He has her family's numbers.
They're all calling around looking for her. This was so quick that that they
realize something was wrong, not like her, and they're on it. This is so great.
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I mean, it's not great, but it's great that she has so much love and people that care about her.
Yeah, and new things that were uncharacteristic of her.
Right. I mean, if she normally turned her phone off or, like,
ghosted him or something, it would be out of the ordinary.
Yeah, if I go to my car and Trey feels like something's wrong,
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I want him to do the same thing. Like I want him immediately to be like,
listen, something's up. Yes. Yeah.
So couldn't find her. They looked everywhere.
So then the police were called and the search party began.
The first item found was her bicycle. About half of a mile from where Josh had
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left her, that's where they found the bike.
That's never good. So this is summertime in Ohio. The corn was tall and green,
and a bike was set back a few rows from the road.
So it was in the corn.
It was in the corn. The police actually noticed that a couple of the corn stalks
were smooshed down in a full perfect row.
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They noticed that and so they thought to look there and they found her bike.
That's the most terrifying thing. Was somebody waiting in the corn or did somebody
push her in the corn? Yeah, we'll get to that.
Oh my gosh. Okay, so we lived in a small town in Michigan and this brings me
to I did so many runs on a dirt road along cornfields and just along like farms
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and stuff and just so many things like this. Like I would jog.
I was training for a half marathon that I did in Detroit.
And I did 12 miles around this super tiny town. So I went everywhere.
And some of it was remote.
Yeah. And you shouldn't be crazy. You shouldn't.
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I felt great. I felt so wonderful.
And besides dying, besides the fact that you're running, besides the fact that
I'm sorry, honey, I had to like, Like, get to the tree.
Get to the stop sign now. That's how I run.
One foot in front of the other. Don't fall place forward.
Besides that, once I did it, I'm like, I'm freaking awesome.
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Look at me. Yeah. Can't touch me.
Yeah. But the fact, yeah, just you're enjoying nature. Just being outside on
a nice day. You should just.
Should be able to relax into it. You should. Yeah. I don't like this.
So they found her bike in the corn field.
A struggle was also noticed near the bike, along with trace amounts of blood and a motorcycle track.
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A few other items were found near the bike. A pair of men's sunglasses,
a screwdriver, and further away, a motorcycle helmet.
Not Josh. So Josh was interviewed soon after the bike was found and the motorcycle
tracks were discovered.
But he was quickly ruled out as a person of interest.
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I mean he seems so sweet but that could be an
act because what are the odds that he wanted to ride
with her home so nothing happened and then she convinced him
to turn around and then something actually happens i mean yeah the
odds are probably good but it's always like your
partner they always look at your partner right yeah but it
was not josh everyone so yeah he's cleared so
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his motorcycle helmet was accounted for and he had
a solid alibi for the rest of the evening so josh was
i wanted to put that super early in the story good on you
josh yeah and he was very cooperative and
the fact that he like is calling everybody called everyone he's
just yeah concerned he was on top of it so
the investigators then took to the areas around where
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the bike was found canvassing neighbors and
locals for more information and possible leads or
if anyone knew anything they eventually interviewed
a man by the name of james worley i
don't like his name no a local
man who lived about two miles from where her bike was
left probably in the cornfields like i could just see him like probably wearing
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a plaid shirt he doesn't have hair but he has hair like around his head oh quite
the imagery he might have have glasses and a mustache is this clue does anyone
have guys with glasses and mustache.
It's just like in movies like 80s 90s movies
like creepers yeah the full-on with like the circle
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big glasses super big glasses yeah exactly also just
i we said jeffrey dahmer earlier and i just have
that in my head so maybe glasses are sticking in my head
night stalker imagery yeah okay no not
night stalker jeffrey dahmer i know but night stalker also didn't
they have the sketch of his like glasses were super big i think
did he have glasses i can't remember i
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for some reason that or zodiac head oh we're
gonna look it up okay we'll look it up okay she'll do that and i'll be looking
stuff up not relevant to the story at all that was a total tangent nope and
we're back all right they eventually interviewed a man by the name of james
worley which we don't like that
name a local man who lived about two miles from where her bike was left,
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James seemed particularly interested in talking to the police.
He opened up and shared that he had been in the area the night of Sierra's disappearance.
He stated his motorcycle had broken down and he stopped in that area to fix
his bike so he could make it back home.
So get this. This is wild. Another witness interviewed by police noted a white
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panel van speeding through the area the same night.
They had the foresight everyone turn
up the volume they had the foresight to
take down the license plate number and it
turned out to be orly's van wild i don't know about you guys but anytime i see
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a white van i take down the license plate number wild what are you guys doing
in there why can't we see where are the windows it's a small town and one van
goes speed speeding down down the road. Why are you in such a hurry?
Someone wrote down the license plate. That is wild.
I'm sorry. That is a wild. It is. Someone had a pen. I can never find a pen.
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And a piece of paper. I can never find a pen. Where's the goddamn pen?
Okay. But when the circumstances call for it, maybe they didn't even have a pen.
Maybe it was that suspicious that it stuck out to them. It must have been.
I would love to talk to this person. There was a time where we were having a
birthday party and somebody kept stopping like slowing down at the house in front of the kids,
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turned out it was just somebody we
know that knows the kids it's like it was like an
uncle of one of the kids or something so not at all creepy but we couldn't see
him at first we didn't know the car at first I could still tell you the freaking
license plate which I'm not gonna say but when something is off you're just
like boom you got it it's just I'm I'm just so impressed by that fact.
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I mean, that is crazy, though, that somebody... I mean, if you see a white van
speeding, though, like... A white van just speeding.
A white panel van speeding. I don't know. It just blew my mind.
It's such a detail that, like... Did they have, like... It's not an ice cream truck.
Where is he going in a hurry? Like, what is he doing? Yeah, but I mean,
to write it down, I don't know. I'm not that person.
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I am not that person. I can't even tell you...
If I see anybody that I don't like... the person who checked me
out at the republics this morning looked like i'm not
that person please don't ever ask me to come and testify on the
witness stand i will not know anything i won't
even know why i'm there are you trying to be that person being a true crime
person like you're trying to like mold your mind to remember i'd like to i'd
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like to have those yes you need to remember i would love to have those instincts
i just know that i don't but to have okay so i think a while super long tangent,
just skip ahead 30 seconds. I also have a quick, okay, yeah.
Wasn't it that long ago i i just told us about
a story in tampa when i was there and there was
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a white van i didn't write down the license plate and that
was extremely suspicious yeah but you
guys were also drinking and you were with your friends that
intoxicated yeah but you had people around
and you're being very sweet i need to do better just
say do better do better do better do better crime people
lighting up rooms and trusting everybody stop stop
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it do better i should do do better i feel so bad
reading this like thinking my gosh i i
had an opportunity to write down a white panel
yeah that was being suspicious
but what do we even so i guess you just write
it down and then if anything comes out in the news then what
do you like how do you know to turn it
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in what do you say to police you just write it down and say i
don't like this van i have a feeling I'm
just telling you guys this little you must have to
keep me down a tailspin because
I'm like yes I had all the questions I
was like where did where did they find a pin they were speeding how did they
follow them how did they see it in a flash if they were speeding where were
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they speeding by did they have a piece of paper handy did they keep the paper
so in suspicious folder I need to create Greatest suspicious folder.
You know what I'm getting you for Christmas is a little notebook where you could
write down with a white van on it and be like, there's my white van notebook,
like Scooby-Doo. Like if you had merch. Yeah.
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Right here. Merch. Merch. Trademarked. Don't do it. Stop it.
Stop it. White van. White van. Notepad.
License plate numbers. Oh my gosh. Okay. It's better to be safe.
But yes, I am very... I forgot what I was going to say. I said...
I don't know, but I'm going to... You make something up so I can finish this
Christmas tree. Okay. So...
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It's a lovely night oh boy she forgot okay
i forgot i totally did okay let her
eat the christmas tree people let her have this indulgence i
i need another beer so they had the foresight to take
down the license plate number and it turned out to be worley's van
and remember worley's story was that
he had his motorcycle out and his
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motorcycle was breaking down and that's why why
he was on that same road so based on
dna at the scene of her bike and the
witness's statement about the van they found
both worley's dna and and sierra's dna at the scene and the the statement about
the van the police had enough evidence to search his property and this is when
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the story turns into a nightmare it's so crazy so then i guess just if it came
out on the news that that something happened.
They probably just took it down. I'm still stuck on the license plate.
They probably just took it down saying, better safe than sorry.
And then if something came out, they were like, oh, suspicious.
Yes, I bet I'll turn this in. And then, boom, connection.
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That's wild. You guys, this is why we do this. Like, write down license plates.
Yeah, I'm going to do better.
Upon searching a barn on Whirly's property, authorities discovered a hidden room.
I just have to sigh like please don't
do guys please don't okay hidden freaking
room like this is guys serial killer
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101 that they're like okay this watch this
guys this is my dungeon this reminds me of this the lovely bones did you see
that or read that no it was well i don't want to split spoiler alert skip ahead
it's it's so sad it's about like a girl in the neighborhood at one of her neighbors
or something somebody i think it's her neighbor but somebody she knows.
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He ended up like in a field on
her way home from school had a hidden room
and was like gross come down and okay
i killed her but yeah just hidden rooms i don't know yeah don't do it don't
have available visible rooms so serial killers are like no thank you so upon
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searching the barn They discovered a hidden room where they found several pairs of women's underwear,
some of which had blood on them, restraints, and under some wood panels on the floor,
inset into the floor of the barn, they found a carpet-lined freezer with the
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interior stained with blood.
It was like a deep freezer. Yeah. But he had carved out a hole in the floor
of the barn and inset this freezer into the floor. So it was like built in almost.
Like he made it built in. Into the floor, insulated, and carpet lined.
And the carpet had blood on it. But there was nothing in it.
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When they opened it up, nothing was in there. Just the blood-soaked carpet. Oh, my God.
They also found blood on Worley's motorcycle.
As well as zip tie restraints. So he literally had zip ties pre-tied.
Yeah. And a ski mask in his truck.
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Sierra's DNA was found on a piece of duct tape and on an inflatable mattress found in the barn.
So this was enough. This was just enough.
Period. This was enough to throw him in the freezer and lock it and call it a day.
So this was enough for police to arrest Worley and the same day they made their
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rest, they found Sierra's body.
Wow. Sierra was discovered in a shallow grave along County Road 7,
a few miles from Worley's property.
She was hogtied. This is a little graphic. She was hogtied, had a large plastic
toy in her mouth which functioned as a gag and was wearing an adult diaper.
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Her cause of death was determined to be asphyxiation caused by the gag,
and there was no evidence of sexual assault.
So he did it just to do it. Like he liked the fear or something.
Potentially. Or he had planned to do more and she just asphyxiated.
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Yeah. Yeah. Or there was somebody that came upon them almost or something. Who knows?
So during the trial in which Worley pleaded not guilty, of course,
piece of shit, a previous victim of Worley testified.
Her account of Worley's attack on her had very similar elements as Sierra's.
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She testified that in July of 1990, Worley ran her down with his truck,
threatened to kill her if she didn't come with him, and held a screwdriver to her neck.
At that time, he was sentenced four to ten years, but only served three years
and was released early. Wow. Good behavior.
(25:41):
Yeah. Yeah, he's such a good guy. Great behavior. I'm just, I'm trying,
like, when you were saying that, I was trying to picture in my
my head because where else do you picture stop steven trying
to picture just walking and having that happen
can you imagine if somebody pulls up next to you and
starts yelling those things no i don't know
what i would do or she has to hit you with a car or or
(26:04):
in this case of sierra they i don't
know if my mind would work that fast i'd be like what the hell is happening
i think of the fight or flight or freeze yeah
i would freeze i think i'm more of a freeze person just
because because i'm like i don't know what i would do i just don't know
i don't know and in the case of sierra they believe that
he hit her over the head while she was biking by him with his motorcycle helmet
(26:29):
so she she was oh so she might have not even seen him coming i mean potentially
maybe she saw him and like just biked near him you know thinking yeah she's broken down and yeah.
So, Worley's case, the case with Ciara, was weak at best, and the jury was quick
to turn around a verdict of guilty.
(26:51):
Capital punishment was on the table, and the judge sentenced Worley to death.
After years of appeal, his final appeal was denied by the court,
and an execution date of May 20th, 2025 has been set for Worley.
Oh, so he's still alive, so we could still talk shit to him. Hey, listen up.
(27:13):
Just based on your name, we knew that you sucked at life. Get him. You're awful.
Get him, Lisa. Get him. Get him. You will never have a Little Debbie's Christmas
tree. Oh, my God. They're delicious. I'm almost done with mine.
You will never know the magic of Christmas.
Unless it was his last meal request, which would be really weird.
(27:37):
This is like Santa Claus talking shit. I don't know what I'm doing.
All right. You will have coal in your stocking, sir. Wow. Thank you.
This Christmas spirit is sitting next to me. I feel it.
Okay. So the best way to fight darkness is with light.
And that's what Ciara's family has done since she was taken from them in 2016.
(27:57):
So I want to tell you about Ciara's Law.
So after the murder and trial, Ciara's family and other activists came together with their community.
And they worked to put
into place a way to warn public
the public of offenders in their
area so they felt like registry that
(28:20):
we have now it well in their area this is
they introduced so they introduced senate bill 67 sierra's
law and it was put together in 2017
and the bill was intended to
allow the public to search on a website for offenders with
the qualifying convictions similar to sex offender a
registry so it's similar to that okay but it's more i think it's more violent
(28:43):
any violent or anything after several hearings with some opponents such as the
aclu argued that the bill did nothing to protect the public the bill was changed
so that residents must visit the local sheriff's office to request a search
to be performed oh god how dare you like It's the internet.
Give us access to everything because that's what it's for.
Yeah. In November of 2017, Sierra's law was introduced in the Ohio Senate as Senate Bill 231.
(29:12):
Sierra's mother spoke before legislators in November 2018, urging them to pass the bill.
It was passed on December 6, 2018, and signed into law on December 19,
and it went into effect March 20, 2019. Thank you.
So I'm, you know, what do you do with all that pain? I don't know.
(29:34):
But this is actual physical things that they did.
They had, they have a scholarship fund.
They've put together a ton of memorial stuff for her.
It just, you can feel the pain reading this story and going through this.
And our hearts really go out to their, to her family, to Sierra's family.
We know she's in a better place. It's beautiful that they were able to find a silver lining in it.
(29:59):
And I think in any of these stories, when the families just turn their pain
to rage and then to action,
I feel like that's kind of a process,
but that who knows if any of us went through like what it would be.
I think, you know, if you just lay in bed, it's fine. I think we said this before.
Like if you just lay in bed and you get up and shower, that's also fine.
(30:22):
You're a rock star. You're doing awesome. but the families
that you know just try and turn something
positive into it it's it's great yeah and that's the story i loved it all right
cheers cheers second beer hey no big deal which one do i talk about there's
(30:42):
so many i'll talk about this one i have wicked weed brewing what is this Yes, Perrin.
Perrin. Oh, wait. Jesus Christ.
Perrin, but then it says Perinicious. Pernicious. Pernicious.
I don't know. It's an IPA from Wicked Weed Brewing. Thank you very much.
(31:03):
It's lovely. I don't like the super bitter IPAs. I can't do...
People say too many hops, but it's not the hops that make it bitter.
I don't like the IBUs being too high.
Hops are fine, different tastes
of hops. But I feel like the IBUs on this have to be somewhere below.
(31:24):
I don't know what it is, but it has to be somewhere below like the 60 range
because I don't typically go higher than that. Nice. I like it. Okay, cool.
I pair as well with cakes. cakes christmas tree
cakes everyone that i finished devoured in the telling of that story i've got
tropical beer hugs it's an imperial ipa from goose island beer company zach
(31:48):
if you're listening all of this beer is from your beer french 9.9 so thank you for that uh.
It's more a beach vacation for your taste buds i feel like that's a stretch
i mean it's very good I think it's it's very drinkable it doesn't taste like
it's 9.9 percent so anytime that occurs.
(32:10):
Cheers to you yes you know but you don't it's also
not one you'd want to drink at the beach right no no
no I'd want to have like a salsa or light beer yeah I
think that's a that's a bit of a swing and a miss
maybe my taste buds are
at the beach but even then you know but but yeah
I mean it's a cute can it's pretty it's very
(32:30):
it draws your eye in and overall it is
it's like teal it has a bear on it with sunglasses he's
cute yeah so anyway it's drinkable it's delicious
so very nice yeah here we are yeah so
what'd you think i liked it i feel like
i might have once you started describing the
story i might have heard it on uh one of those shows 2020 maybe
(32:54):
maybe 2020 2020 I've been falling
asleep to that recently nice bedtime
stories oh man soothe me to sleep but
I I agree with you that I just feel like
you should be able to be carefree no matter what age you are I mean she was
in college and this was you're not a real adult yet kind of you know so she's
(33:17):
she's visiting her family she's hanging out with her boyfriend felt the safest like the The safest.
That's what gets me. She was less than a mile from her grandparents' house.
Oh, my God. That's disgusting. Less than a mile.
That's the safest you feel. Mm-hmm. On a bicycle. On a bicycle.
Wild i couldn't imagine that i used to go stay at my grandparents
(33:38):
in connecticut and my grandma's neighborhood like
we used i i know that neighborhood like the back of my hand it
feels so safe and i it's so
crazy yeah it's really upsetting i don't even know but it's these types of stories
like i said that really draws in because you wonder like how could i make this
(33:58):
more safe yes what could i have done what could have ciara done different not
that that she did anything wrong.
No. But like, how could her mom, or like, how could we prevent,
any of this, from happening? Like, what could we do better?
And, the assholes, who do these crimes, are the, are the people that,
make you think like, they should be doing better.
(34:20):
Like, we should just be able to live our lives. But you end up with that, as a takeaway. Mm-hmm.
Because, we know they're not going to change, because they don't care.
They're narcissistic. They just, they don't want to change. They think they're fine.
Yeah. And, we so we end up
being like what can we do to avoid you because
we know you're out there and you're fine living safer so
(34:40):
that i think that's why sometimes these laws come
up because they don't want another family to feel that pain even though none
of these people could have done anything differently it was kind of just like
wrong place wrong time or they were being stalked and you know you don't know
these things when it's happening it's so we don't know if he lived there if he just...
(35:02):
It was like crime of opportunity. Had he watched Sierra before?
Like nobody? He lived nearby and I think truly this was a crime of opportunity.
I really do. Yeah. I think he was just riding by.
But what about the room? Nothing else was ever tied to him? So he...
(35:22):
You don't build a room and then just be like, okay, waiting for my...
So he had that one case, the victim that testified. Oh, yeah, yeah.
And then there was another woman who was a sex worker and she went missing and
she was potentially tied to him, but they never found her body and they could
never tie that to him officially.
Okay. He ended up telling his social worker or counselor,
(35:46):
who he was probably court mandated to go see, that the next person he would
do this to he would bury and cr was buried wow.
So it's like there's no
rehabilitation for this person there's not you
know sometimes we say with some people they they don't belong in jail but some
(36:08):
people do and he does because there's no getting better you don't want to get
better you're you're too it's just this darkness that That you can't get out
of. You don't deserve to be around society.
Right. The rest of us. Yeah. Yeah, you're not safe.
But then that's hard because how do you know the people that are acting like
they want to get better? And then the people that I feel like you just know. I don't know.
(36:32):
I don't know. And that's what let him out early. Oh, God.
That's what let him out early. Three years and a four to ten year sentence.
I mean, I don't know. No, there's so many questions because it's like there
are people out there who are let out early and don't mess up again.
Right. So it's just, yeah, it's just horrible.
(36:52):
Well, I feel like if you kill maliciously with malicious intent,
not, you know, negligent homicide, not anything like that.
But if you are like first degree murder and they find that you planned it out,
you had the intent, you probably just shouldn't come out. I don't know. Yeah.
(37:14):
Unless it was like a domestic abuse situation.
I don't know. God. I know. Well, that's not for us to determine today. So many loopholes.
Okay. We're never going to solve this, but we'll figure it out. Yeah. One of these days.
But thank you for listening. Keep listening. And remember to...
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