February 12, 2024 • 50 mins
Vixen are our cover stars in this issue, so the casual sexism starts early! WASP are celebrating their lead guitarist (who - spoiler alert, bails out of the band in 6 months time) and cranking out a Jethro Tull cover. There’s reports of secret Aerosmith gigs, so we may rebrand as a mystery podcast. We’ve got features on Quireboys (mostly drunk) and Gary Moore (mostly angry about Kingdom Come). Motley Crue are up to their usual antics and we look at some great listings for Shrapnel, Penpalz and Klassifieds.
News about Scott Ian gives us an excuse to use our Anthrax artwork! Residual anger over people talking at KISS concerts! Talking of KISS, Paul Stanley is (affectionately) mocked. Plus ASMR!
Recorded 31st Jan 2024
Apple Podcasts:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/can-i-pod-with-madness/id1667966016
Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/show/69OGJDFZRFu5mjHja3rEOn
Amazon Podcasts:
https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/fa9908fc-34dd-4638-b446-eef44988dfd3
Check out pics from the issue on our Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/podwithmadness/
YouTube playlist:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6jGszBq8BFE6gA9hhlSjtXIwmYgLFPRs&si=0iKgfTOD9ELDVDdC
Tip us on ko-fi:
https://ko-fi.com/podwithmadness
CAN I POD WITH MADNESS THEME by Oliver Gardiner
https://www.instagram.com/revilorenidrag/
@revilorenidrag
#Podcast #Metal #HeavyMetal #Kerrang #80s #MetalHammer #ClassicRock
#OzzyOsbourne #GaryMoore #Vixen #Quireboys #KISS #Prince #Anthrax #WASP
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
(00:00):
We get that we're a girl band.
We're just a band to ourselves.
Yeah, We're just like,okay, we're in the dressing room.
10 minutes to showtime. We're just, you know,
no one on stage.
Yeah,I don't think like, I'm a girl drummer.
I know I'm just a drummer.
I go, girl or guyjust go up there and play and.
(00:39):
Do you want to do the introductionthis week?
No, thank you. Okay.
Hi there, listeners.
WelcomeOnce more to Can i Pod with Madness
your favorite Kerrang based podcast
since the guy that did recurring backissues is Stop doing it.
Stop doing it.
Yeah so it's just all us.
(01:04):
We've taken the crown.
And by default is winning by default.
B Default.
How are you?
Very well, thank you. You are more.
I are more. I am happy to see you.
That's nice.
So last time we recorded,we didn't even get to the Kerrang, did we?
(01:26):
No, no.
But, you know, and that's fine.
That's fine.
We shouldn't set unrealistic goals and no.
Are you going to talk aboutwhat you've been up to since we last?
Because you always say.What have you been up to since we last?
Well,I haven't been up to anything you have.
(01:46):
What I've been up to.
We went to a comedy.
yeah? Yeah.
That very night.
Because that's why we finished early.
That's where we went.
We went to Comedy Night.
Jon talked about that.
Yeah, we went to a stand up comedy night
with a guy called Mark Simmons.
(02:12):
And it was very good, wasn't it.
At Wild Waiting for you to film? Yeah.
I think you
found him on Instagram,also on your Facebook.
And we thought, Yeah, what the fuck?
Whatever. We'll go and see it.
It's cheap. Was it cheap?It was cheap. Was it.
And, and yeah.
What glowing star.
I mean I thought, this guy's
(02:34):
funny and he's touringso I'll go and see him.
I didn't quite put the spin on itthat you did just then.
But you saidit was better than you thought it'd be.
We thought.
We thought, I'm sure it'll be fine,but he's really good.
So he stuff on Facebook and liked it.
But then it was even funnier.
Which him. So
and he just he just does like,
(02:56):
like this sort of audience interactionstuff on these social needs
and actually put his actual material but
yeah heartily.
Endorsed just.
Yeah jokes. With Mark.
Yeah I listen to an episodethe other day with Chuck Skipper
I yeah on the you pointI mean in the direction
(03:18):
so there's you the there's you pulledand comedy recommendations.
And comedy recommendations.
Have you got any more recommendations And.
What Lost Boys.
Do you want to do.
Dedicated Lost Boys podcast sometime.
I think we should.
Yeah, I think we should.
(03:41):
I'm not sure.
Can speak coherently. Coherently.
I don't mean to me that
eloquently.
Maybe.
I don't know whether I can speakeloquently about it.
I'm sure you can.
I'm sure you've seen enough times to.
You know, I've plenty to say.
And he's well, I've got plenty to say.
It's slap bang in a
(04:04):
movie.
Well, in our era is if.
You look that's way posture.
I don't think that's even there. I
maybe that's not even thoughI pronunciation nor use of the word
but I've just said it so suck it.
I think if you want to look you've.
I mean saying I've just said itso suck is definitely more
(04:25):
that's how I talks and trying to pretendthat I use words other than suck.
Suck, suck over, suck.
Now you for as your title as.
Your title for the week.
Yeah.
No ever.
Why is it slap bang in the middle of whatwe normally talk about is 87, isn't it?
A yes.
(04:46):
Yeah.
I got distracted, soI was looking at the actual subject book
four pretzels up and it'sI can't obviously then
while we're doing this because you'lljust hear me chew him, which is awful.
So I'm just now upset that the next to meI can't eat them.
That's a11 of the Kevin Smith moviesI think is Dogma.
(05:10):
And there's two commentaries.
There's a commentary with like writer,director and actors,
and there's there'sa technical commentary.
And throughout the technical commentary,
they're just eating all the waythrough it.
And all you can hear is like masticating.
They're,they're eating like Doritos and stuff.
And it's just it's pretty GROSS.
(05:30):
Yeah.
So I won't do that if.
Anyone wants that. Obviously,you write in.
Some sort of fetish channel.
We'll consider it a smash yet.
No. As whisperingand doing this on the microphone
and then like
tapping my phone
and stuff that's say, similar.
(05:53):
We use caution and.
Do use calm. Calm. It's got some asthma.
Yeah invention about freak I,
I think I have an issue with noises
and asthma and calm would be likesome sort of nightmare torture thing.
Yeah.
Listen to some whiskers
whispering freaks me outwhen it's just a human being next to me.
(06:16):
But whispering by some random in my ear
when I'm trying to sleep will be
horrific. It's horrific.
I didn't enjoy it when I tried itand I quickly turned it off.
But if you do like that kind of thing,
go on calmand listen to some sort of asthma shit.
(06:38):
Or listen to all the other stuffthat goes. Off. Yeah.
Which isn't that asthma stories.
What's your bedtime stories?
What's your favorite record that's got
whispering in it?
I don't know.
Well, I'll let you ruminate on that one
because you need to recordthat must have like someone
(07:01):
whispering in the backgroundlike Riders on the Storm,
you know, along with the lead vocal,there's like a he's whispering along
on you know, double tracked
Twilight Zone by RushI think got whispering on.
But I think we've establishedyou don't like whispering.
But there must be some records of Godwould.
(07:22):
He let you go on record? I hate whispering
so there is no interest in it.
Not funny, but it's true.
So don't come at me whispering.
That's your
life, your Achilles heel.
Maybe.
I think it's more whispering when I.
(07:43):
When it's
actually you whispered to me now is fine.
But if you were, like, in another room.
Whispering to myself, yeah.
It was pretty selfor whispering to someone else
while I'm in the room. My.
I mean, it is impolite at best.
And creepy. But it's creepy. Yeah.
(08:05):
Right. And I like it. All right.
So in a break from our tradition,should you actually look at some crime?
Yes. For the love of God.
Did you read the music
from the back and do it in French?
Okay, so we're looking atcracking the material in 25 K.
Which. Is from February the 11th, 1989.
Nice. Okay.
(08:26):
And on the cover, we've got who are Vixen,
and the headline
is On Your Feet or On Your Knees.
Now, it was Vince, Neil
and well, there's no.
I think there
Vixen go down on Britain
(08:47):
feature and tour dates section
so I mean you'll seeif you look at our Instagram
she's sort of on her knees and singingand she's doing sort of rock
like you know the festive you know,she really means it.
The stuff. She really means it.
But I've got a problem with Vixengo down on Britain, right?
(09:10):
Because just because they're girls,they are suggesting that,
you know.
Yeah.
So that, you know,the casual sexism has started early.
I would if I was a betting man, I'd wagerthat Paul Stanley has gone down on
more people than all the members of Vixenput together, but they'd never put
no on a KISS cover, would they?
(09:32):
So, you know, 89 different times.
Also inside, we've got CruiseMammoth Choirboys, Gary Moore,
Malaya Rage,private life and slave trader,
an ape for UK gigs for WASP.
It's nice and exciting, isn't it?
I can say what you said about Paul Stanley
over the day.
(09:53):
I would just say that
Paul Stanley's voice is perhaps
not quite as good as it used to be
in the seventies,
and I think last time we went to see them,
he he announced from the stagethat they don't play to back in tapes.
(10:16):
They're not like you son of a bitch.
This is for guys.
There's no tapes.
There's no.
Background vocals.
Then nobody up to the stage
playing other parts.
It's just us.
(10:36):
This is what rock and roll is all about.
People
now go and
say, because if you sound like you be mean
to explain what you say.
we're saying if they have got backingtapes, I don't want,
(10:57):
Wolf a king wounded animal.
They recorded it.
I love him. He's he's great performer.
He's great From this.
Came about, I found outthat you felt like this by accident
because we were talking about am
going on tour. Yeah.
(11:18):
And we were talking about possiblygoing to see Hart.
And I said, Can this will sing?
And then you said some comment,
but the word he's but it's something like
you said then.
Well then I'll Paul Stanley and I said
but the note
(11:38):
Vince Neil or Dave Lee Roth
I'd like obviously no offensedid David Lee Roth or Vince Neil.
They can both singbetter than I ever could.
Now they they can now,but obviously they've, you know,
good people are aware that
their voice doesn'tsound the same anymore and gets older.
Yeah. You know, shut up.
(11:58):
I don't know.I'm not going to go listen. Right.
And I thought you used a scale ofI was saying Dave, live off and Vince Neil
is perhaps not great
and you use in PaulStanley is an example of good.
Don't wanna wait till you know me
better and.
(12:25):
Then it transpiredyou see was saying you shit
absolutely
outrageous wooly spent No it's outrageous.
You spent three decades
rock n rolling all night and partyingevery day in is taken toll on his voice.
You know,
there'svery few people of my generation who.
(12:46):
Still. Got 100% of pipes.
We've all seen funny videos of Vince Neil.
To be fair,the last time we went see Kiss,
I was really I got really drunkbecause they made me buy
like a bottle of wineinstead of a glass. So.
And you don't drink wine.
So it is down to me. And
I rose to the challenge and so choked.
(13:10):
Perhapsmy memory of the quality is could be
slightly off, but.
Well, we're not going to put anyone offgoing see case.
No, because they've,
they've handed in the towel on they,
they've stopped touring.
(13:31):
Well yeah but they say that on me.
Yeah.
I rememberyou got really annoyed with those men
in front of us who literally just talkedthat it's like you were.
Like.
You've spent like 100 quid on ticketsand you've just come out to have a chat.
They were just having a chatthe entire time.
I just chatting like the way you chat.
(13:51):
If you were
on a bench in a park,
people watching you, watching the peoplesee your eyes, sort
of watching the people and you watchingpeople go by and live their life.
But you chatand you've gone there with you, mate,
and that's what they're doingfor the entire thing.
And having to raise their voices
so they could be heard over the fuckingsound of Kiss.
So we had.
(14:13):
Just go to the pub.
I mean,
yeah, odd
and yeah.
Do we sound like angry old peopleshouting in clouds?
They were older than we were.
They were like
middle aged blokes that you'd see
in a pub and your.
(14:34):
Yeah.
This was a completely.
Classic
and I was a little younger than I am now.
Right.
And WASP heading to the UK.
It's exciting.
Their releasing a single called Mean Man
on the Capital Low Man Mean Mantaken from the Headless Children album.
(14:58):
The song has been written by Blackieas a candid and witty tribute
to WASP guitarist Chris Holmes and includethe lyric I'm a tattooed madman.
I'm hell on wheels.
This patch with the cover of the JethroTull tune
Locomotive Breath, which will notbe included on the album. And
it comes in purple vinyl.
(15:19):
Nice.
And I don't know if you remember ChrisHolmes,
the kind of
hulking, great guitarist.
If you watch.
For Eamon that all commercialized.
It was that hey.
That's Chris Needham. Okay.
Christineprobably really liked WASP, I think.
(15:42):
But if you remember when we watched
The Decline and Fall of WesternCivilization, Part two,
he was depictedas being in a swimming pool,
drinking like a bottle of vodkaand abusing his mum.
We need to watch out.
We need to I mean, we saw our film yearsand years and years ago
(16:02):
and that's basically what Chris Holmes isbest known for.
Okay.
But I thought it very interestingthat they did a Jethro Tull song,
but it's not great.
Their version, I mean, is fine.
It chugs along, but
you know,
their version of the Real Me by theWho is better
(16:22):
we shouldwe should show our friend Steamboat 5000
who's provided the interface sowe can actually use a better microphone.
So they kind of thank Steamboat.
he is the owner
and creator of the Breakfast in the Ruinspodcast.
You should all go and listen to.
(16:43):
The podcast recommendation.
Another podcast recommendationif you like.
Michael Moorcock Novelsor any like weird horror pulp stuff,
definitely go overand listen to Breakfast in the Ruins.
I think most of our audience comesfrom there because I was on his show,
right?
And I publicized oursand R That's when our downloads went up.
(17:04):
Basically.
That's the only the only spike we've everhad was when I went on that show.
And people obviously just listenedto the first one of the little, you know,
what am I going to learn from this?
What a. Load of. Nonsense.
A load of nonsense.
Okay.
So I've got a fun story for year
Kansas,
Aerosmith in Secret British shows, ShockerUnpublicized
(17:27):
gigs at high Security, American air bases,
American pomp, rock
stars,Kansas have secretly flown into the UK
to play shows for US servicemen and womenworking on American military bases.
And among the American band
said to have appeared in the pasta legendary Aerosmith.
The show seemed to be shrouded in secrecy.
(17:48):
The bands have flown
in and out of the UK in a transportedare owned by the US military.
The recent Kansas tour took placelate last year and the band
also visited American basein Iceland, West Germany, in the Azores.
An unnamed source told Mayhemthat he attended the Kansas show
and also a show by Aerosmith,an American airbase situated in the UK.
Aerosmith is said to have played the showsoon after the release of their Done
(18:11):
with Mirrors album.
The Source
revealed aboutit and that the band's undertake this show
on condition that they do not playany of the gigs in established venues
and the shows are not publicized.
We've been unable to uncover any furtherdetails, but if we do, we'll let you know.
So does ever Smithbefore permanent vacation?
(18:34):
Well said.
The sort of, you know,
just sort of comingout of their wilderness years, I guess.
But yeah yeah I don't think about yourthe album.
What is the famous are there famous songs.
On the music? Do the talking.
Okay My fist.
Your face.
(18:55):
Was my face your face about.
You Find out
Lola's not condoning violence, but
it's just a joke.
The reason a dog or we a title, GypsyBoots.
She's on fire at the hop.
You don't remember? Okay, They're not
(19:16):
on classics, are they? Nah.
Maybe when they got into their proper
86 as they stopped playing military bases.
I like that.
The whole thing then was they were toldthat they couldn't talk about.
It was all shrouded in secrecy.
And then they're saying,We don't know much.
He's like, Well, no shit.
You just you've just said you've just saidbasically
(19:39):
you're not going to get
information because it was a secret.
So if you served in the American militaryand were posted in
Europe in the mid-eightiesand you went to see Aerosmith
at a secret gig,please let us know quickly.
And yeah, I do like a mystery.
Yeah,but maybe they all had to sign an NDA
(20:02):
and they can't tell the audience. Yeah.
It's possible.
I suppose you don't. Know.
Military Secrets Act exactly
Sick as a break
American thrash band Intense mutilationwho claimed to be, quote,
metal sickest band have completedwork on their debut
(20:22):
album entitled SafeSex Valley Stream Studios in New York.
The band, which features the doubtlessformidable talents of pungent vomit
Fetus and Jack shit, hopeto release the album in the spring.
So this picture of intense mutilation,do you want to describe
what they look like?
and one of them
(20:44):
looks like quite Jessopas a witch in Halloween.
Been back and then just I don'tI don't know how.
I really gross old fashionedHalloween costumes.
I mean, if you saw them loomingout of the darkness, you'd
you wouldn't like it, would you?
So got communication. Okay.
Having read your 100 greatest heavy metalalbums of all time, I think I can safely
(21:06):
say is the biggest pile of shitever to be seen in your magazine.
How could Def Leppard's hysteriabe number six?
Well, Iron Maiden's numberThe Beast is only number 65 is beyond me.
That's from Andy Richardson in Folkestone.
Yeah, but they all get angry any less.
Is that typical? So we've mentioned
for the love of horror before. my.
(21:29):
We have
the horror convention,so they've got a guest announcement.
Okay.
And Scott Ian from Anthrax.
Wow. Is going to be there. So
if you like anthrax
head on down.
I mean, I saw that they posted it today.
(21:50):
Who likes heavy metal?
Yeah, Some people are sayingit could be Alice Cooper.
Gladys knocks out.
It's just me now.
But yeah.
So what capacity is he there in
just that he's famous and he likes horror.
Yeah.
It doesn't say
(22:11):
that he's going to be.
It didn't say.
Well, it's just a photo. Right.
And they do have an afterparty
so under the high speed.
Yeah. Who knows.
But so that is relevant.
Well they had Corey Taylorthere a complete couple of years ago.
(22:31):
Was it.
Last year.
No, no, I think it was the year before.
I will.
Maybe he's. Maybe he's playing.
Okay. Might be.
I mean if we get our picturestaken with Scott Ian
that's a legit thing for thispodcast, isn't it.
And yeah
(22:52):
but I'd have to tell himthat I'm not really a big Anthony fan.
Then that would get awkwardand he'd be like, Why?
Why you here then
about podcast, mate?
Fine.
I never was,but like listening to them for this.
They had some really good songs.
Really? Yeah, Yeah.
Like proper thrash.
But I don't think you hear muchabout them these days.
(23:14):
But they were one of the big bandsthis time.
Like, Yeah,they've got a song about Judge Dredd.
Like, that's,
you know, to
me as a teenage boy,that was very exciting.
Back to back, you know,
that guy that maybe got bigger.
I have about 15000.
(23:39):
I'm going to go
back out to.
You on why you music to be
about the things that you're interestedin, don't you?
Yeah,
well, actually, no,
no. Does it ruin it for.
(24:01):
You know, it justI don't think it's a necessity.
Name one pretty song that you like.
It's about somethingthat's going on in your life.
But dance.
yes. Yeah.
I will stand up for the Batman album.
I've been listening to the songPaisley Park a lot like, Yeah,
I'll say, that was in the seventies.
I saw your deep cuts.
(24:22):
Yeah, really deep, man. It's.
You had a prince, this guy for Prince.
You might not heard me a couple of albums,
but we got too many hits.
And the song Paisley Park
is really good.
Like, I know that's an obvious in sayingit's really stupid, pointless,
(24:43):
but you know how you go through phases
and you re like up in songand then you like another Prince song.
And that's why I don't listen to what the.
Album is on.
And isn't on around the world in a day.
I don't know.
my God.
What's good about it?
(25:03):
Am It's just good.
Just good.
Yeah, it is good.
It is
on around the world in the day or 95.
(25:25):
So they go,
You do like Prince, then you all try.
Try again harder.
We've gone.
Ask about the choir, boys. Nice.
It's called Sloshed in Hollywood. Back
in London,the choir boys have now been out of order
on both sides of the Atlantic, thanks totheir new record label, flying to L.A.
(25:49):
to, quote,meet the folks and have a drink.
So this article is by Mick Wall,
and it's mostly about drinking.
And so he's talking about,
Sharon Osborne is their new manager
(26:09):
and Sharon Stone, a great job alreadybefore she came along.
I don't think it really clicked with meor Capital.
Sharon came alongand renegotiated the whole deal.
What kind of deal?
We talked about worldwide for sevenor eight albums, something like that.
Quote, I don't know what it is exactly,but it's one of them deals
that has the Sputnik wars going onabout how they got so much money
(26:32):
out of the record company.
All our deals fucking triple the size ofthey could have ever fucking dreamed of.
I mean, I don't know how he knows.
This is MickWall talking to Spike from the choir boys.
Didn't you tell me in L.A.
that you had to leave the meeting?
You haven't with Capitalto be sick in the toilet.
Quote? It's true.
He grins sheepishly,and not just one meet.
(26:54):
In every single meetingwhich we have with capital,
it became a tradition every time I metsomeone new from the record company
out to go and throw upand I was quite polite about it.
I just got up and left the room.
When I'd finished being sick,I went back in and carried on the meeting.
It's not as if I collapsed facefirst over their desks.
Actually, it's really funny of all that,because in America,
when you meet someone importantfrom the record company,
(27:14):
they shake your hand and look you straightin the eye to see if you doing smack.
They can tell by the eyes,which is why we always wear shades.
Hahaha only kidding.
It is a miracle. The
he is still with us
and it's also really good at singing.
So yeah. I'm.
(27:38):
Yeah, it does seem to be there.
They're up, they just drink clothes.
I can get behind.
That and they're sort of,they talk a lot about humble pie
and Rod Stewart in the Facesand all these bands.
This all following in thein the lineage of
who were also really, really well knownfor just being pestered all the time.
(27:59):
And this article mostly about Gingerleaving
your mates really into Gingerwent on to form the Wild Hearts
and he was in the choir boys,but they basically booted him out.
I was going to just read this out,but I'm going to get you
to a little bit of quiz tonight.
So in 1983, the Week in Battle,the first annual Miss Nude
(28:21):
HeavyMetal contest organized by Can You Guess
all of them.
It took place in Los Angeles
1983.
Because the hair.
jet black and
(28:41):
blond
and jet black and jet black and.
Vince Neil and his six.
It was. Me.
And it was organized by none
other than motley crewand but it's been canceled.
Sheriff's official reasons are given,including not in a.
Bright ideaunless you are like a 14 year old boy.
(29:03):
And you thought it would bea really good idea.
And various official reasons are given,
including not enoughattractive nubile rockers registering.
But the unofficial word is the east, downto a Los Angeles City bylaw
prohibiting minorswith witnessing depravity.
But. Fair.
So one.
(29:25):
Yeah, we will.
See some of it, right?
Yeah. We were robbed,
but the people who signed upwere a bit gutted.
And I bet they just did itin private than they, the crew.
Maybe
have talked about the dirt.
The book probably have.
(29:46):
my God.
The film.
Well,we did a whole podcast about the film.
no, I don't.
I've not got a problem.
I've just got let issuesjust because we talk about a lot of stuff.
A lotand we talk about a lot of stuff a lot.
(30:08):
And that was meant to sound so different.
The second time it came out.
But you know,
like we talk about Motley Crew a lotand we talk about Lost Boys a lot.
So you tell me, you rememberwe talked about Lost Boys?
I be like, Well, but when?
Because we do it every day.
So I can't distinguish. Well.
And I've got a memory problem.
(30:29):
Ultimately will record everything.
And you're not going to have a cluewhen I start to have actual
memory problems here, because it's goingto be very hard to tell.
When you do.
You can just listen to these back
now. I'll be like, Here's this.
She's really annoying.
(30:50):
Who these young scalps.
dear. Yeah.
No, cos I won't bore them
and shit.
God. Shit. Yes. No we did.
Yeah.
We sat and watched itand we recorded it as we watched it.
Was it
(31:10):
because I feel like we should do it
slightly differently,We should have watched it
and then watched it on silentwhile we were talking about.
Yeah that would worked.
How could we ended upso stoned at the telly?
Yeah. No.
Okay, I'm back in the room. Well,
I'm here with the next time we do a film.
That's how we'll do it. So we get.
To. Watch.
(31:31):
Constantly be improving.
Exactly. Yes.
So we need towardsdecline in Western civilization.
We need to. Watchget any worse than what we're doing.
But yes.
We need to watch the heavy metal special.
What else, Lost Boys?
Obviouslythis is all tangentially related.
(31:51):
I said yesterday we short two lost boysand you didn't answer me.
If we're going to do a podcast about it,I will 100% watch The Lost Boys.
my God.
You want to suck the fun of everything
Now? It's fun.
You get to. Be making it work.
It's not work.
It's just a little chat.
(32:13):
It's just a fun chat.
That sounds like when a bosswould be like, That's just fun.
We're just having fun.
There's a article about Gary Moore.
We were talking about Gary Moorerecently, weren't we?
Yeah.
This is mostly about his albumAfter the War and
(32:37):
and apparently The Sun newspaper has saidhe's a millionaire, which is a constant
source of mirth throughout this articlebecause I don't think he's a millionaire.
Much matter
what irrelevant.
Well,I think if you're writing for The Sun,
you want itto be as sensational as possible.
(32:59):
Then you so you just make shit up and hot.
Take, baby.
Tell me that a rock star, a millionaire,I'm not going to be anything of them.
All right.
Well, you'd probably assumethat anyone who's on Top of the Pops
is a millionaire,but very few of them were
right. Okay?
And so one of the songs on this album,one of the things they talk about a lot
(33:28):
is there's this song called Led Clones,right?
An undisguisedand very humorous poke at Kingdom
Come in particular, and are the bands whorip off other bands and ideas in general
not only is LED clones a cleverand very witty criticism,
but also marvelousand intriguing song in its own right.
Bits of whole all of Kashmirand of the Zeppelin riffs.
(33:50):
Ozzy Osborne does lead vocals,
which doesn't
really make sense because he doesn'tsound like Robert Plant.
And I listened to itand it just sounds like Kingdom Come.
I mean, it's he's having ago at Kingdom Come
who everyone said sounded like LedZeppelin, and he's done this by sort of
ripping them offwhile they're ripping off Led Zeppelin
(34:11):
says now.
you're going to Kingdom.
(34:32):
You got it.
No, exactly.
(35:00):
So obviously, the main thingthey talk about in this article,
I put know they're sayingit sounds like the Beatles at the end.
I put anything in there.
I mean, what's Ozzy doing in there? He'snot like anyone else.
You know, Ozzy, he's got a gift.
He opens his mouthand this noise comes out
and he doesn'tsound like anyone else at all.
I mean, I think that's a pretty gooddescription of Ozzy, isn't it?
(35:21):
I was about to start singing spidersthen and I stopped myself.
Go for it.
No, I was my mouth was
formed it
nosed almost after So,
no one wants to hear that and then maybeneed to prepare their first.
I wasn't sure exactly how it was going tocome out. Probably very good.
And it would have been really needed.
(35:43):
I mean.
You'd have thoughtthat was really good and,
you know, some gifts you got to keep.
Andy Bushell.
Well, if you do well enough, people willjust think we've cut in the actual record.
See, my last slide I was justabout to again stop, will see me.
Do it and I'll cut in. Okay?
(36:03):
And I love that song.
He's also having a pop at the Angry MomsThings of this world.
A lot of people are going to say,Fuck you,
you don't know what this is aboutbecause you've been around too long.
But is thiswhat modern guitar playing is about?
I don't give a shit. It's very cold.
(36:24):
It's not what modernguitar playing is all about.
It should have some sort of emotionand these guys should be in an orchestra
or something.
They're playing with a classical approach
and they're turning guitar playinginto a fucking competitive sports show.
What about this Gary Moore?
And he also
talked about how he wants to do a bluesalbum, which is the next thing he did.
He did the album, still got the Blues,
(36:45):
and I think he didn't really doany sort of heavy rock albums after that.
He just became a blues playerfor the rest of his life.
Good friends
and so we've got
in the classified arts,we've got musicians available,
(37:05):
bassist available.
24 year old SwedishWild Man seeks band on the rise
with managementand future good looks and great chops.
Ten years playing contacts.
Does great Chopped mean good singeror just like a good mouth?
Well, I think great chops.
Great chopsmeans like you got good skills at playing.
(37:26):
In the big breakfast.
They used to
talk about mutton chops,
and that's not an interesting sentence.
But if you've got a big breakfast,
I'm sure they did.
And I imagine that and I'm sayingthat I'm thinking it's like, how about.
It sounds great.Johnny Vaughan Still great mutton chops.
(37:47):
It would be like, Ooh, more chops.
And then like, worked his Irish later.
So. But it doesn't mean a good singer.
No, no.
It means like when you say someone'sgot good chops, it means like they,
they got good skills at play in like got.
A lot of making.
Tasty legs.
You understand where it comes from.
(38:08):
You should, I mean, good singer.
Now he says he's a bassist.
A one. They're not saying.
He's putting himself forwards.
AS What basis? Fox
Is he
sockets 24 year old Swedish WildmanHe could be.
So he's not Lexi Foxbut he could be Steel Panther
because his name is Jay Tits.
(38:31):
Lost touch with a Z.
Cos it is dated. Jay tit.
Hits on the bass guitar with the chops.
Date it.
We should do it.
Look, if he's still going can he.
He's welcome to use thatin like a radio jingle for his
bass lessons or whatever he does now.
(38:53):
Treat it for one only
Jay tits.
Jay do it.
So otherwise I'll just keep saying it.
We got pen pals section
now, if you'll remember,
I said I was going to reach outto a few people from ten pals
(39:16):
and no one in this issuegot back to me on really, really to.
To get you ghosted.
In touch with Marianne Ballardfrom Birmingham because her art is.
Hey, girls,if you live in Birmingham and want to form
a girls only rock, who's goingget in touch now?
Nice.
Which I want to hear a story.
You know, that sounds like.
(39:36):
I bet they did, but they caused
fun and chaos.
Birmingham girls only rock a gang.
That sounds brilliant.
And there's also a crazy
female sleazebag 17 into Jena.
Aerosmith, FasterPussycat, Cinderella dogs, two
more elegant honey walksand many more. It's
(39:57):
no shame.
There's 20, 24.
Yeah.
And people aren't uttering that sentencein a pen pal letter anymore.
There's also a female veggie.
You didn'tget many of those back in the eighties.
20 laughs.
Judas Priest, T-Rex,Guns, Roses, Heart, Gorgeous highlights.
A most major but not thrash.
(40:18):
Also sword and sorcery Boogiebeing Panthers.
Just Panthers general Well.
Who doesn't like Panthers.
Panthers.
I couldn't I couldn't get in touch youbecause it just says Jackie.
So you need. What you can findJacqui on the Internet.
Jacqui Jacqui in Belfast,if you're listening.
Right, and you ask each one
(40:38):
how you feel about Panthers andthen the one who goes like them, I say.
Idiot, I did.
I did get some people replying to me.
But no one from this issue.
I reached out to some peoplein current contacts.
Okay.
And was it them?
Yeah.
(40:58):
Yeah.
I mean, shall we go through that now?
I mean, we now find current contacts.
No. Will do and we'll do it.
We need to do current contactsbecause that's an
iffy I don't know if you know,but it's like
they just put out a magazinewith no editorial content,
whatever it was,just lists of pen pals and letters.
(41:21):
So no, not to write anything.
They just printed, you know, letters on.
It's like a clip shown at Yeah.
Lady Day for the Wrangler.
But obviously Crying was doing sowell at the time.
They could put out special to
okay,
there's something about a Scandinavian,
(41:42):
band called Pussy Galore.
Can you guesshow they describe themselves?
What sort of general they'd be?
Glam metal.
Glam, glam trash rockers.
Yeah.
there'sa band called Slavery from Cornwall.
(42:06):
Can you guess what kind of genre they are?
hard rock site grindcore.
Never got that in a million years.
I don't think I've ever said grindcoreuntil just now.
What is grindcore?
It's like,so Napalm Death, that sort of really is.
(42:27):
Not my experience.
I'm more the faster Pussycat nonsense.
Well, you're.
Like Jackie, aren't you?
You like most h m but not thrash.
Yeah, I'm like, Jackie.
There's a band called Tanner Lawnfrom Bristol.
And. Dates.
So to give you a bit of context,Tanner Lawn is a fabled city
(42:47):
for Michael Moorcock.
Books was full circle cleaner.
What genre do you think?
Tanner Lawn might be?
Smooth.
Smooth. What?
They are progressive rock at all.
That difference you.
See about magical swords and shit. Yeah.
And also there's a Worcester based
(43:09):
band called Prophecy of Doom.
Okay.
Do you want to guess what they are?
Thrash their thrash.
Yeah.
So well done.
See, I told you
you were good at some of these quizzes.
If I just get the right questions.
But then anyone will be good at quizzesif they just have the right questions.
(43:31):
I mean, in the in the records reviews,there's a band reviewed called Mon Blade.
Mon Blade is also somethingfrom Michael Moorcock Books.
How Weight.
Is The Sister Sold to L Rex Storm Bringer
The Soul Sucking Black Sword.
So I think Michael Moore for a
(43:52):
I mean really just go listento breakfast in the ruins, you know Yes.
This shit.
not notwell I am on some episodes of Yeah.
Miss those ones go to good ones.Go to the good episodes. Right.
You know.
He talks to proper people.
He just like actual musiciansand writers and stuff.
And then when he has his episodes.
Yes. UN.
(44:13):
He gets me in. Yeah.
When no one else is available.
So we've got to the Vixen article.
Okay.
I mean, give me like, what do you thinkis, you know, looking at them.
They look good because.
People were saying at the timethey just use sex to sell their music.
But I don't. Buybecause they're literally women.
Well, they're literally women, right.
(44:33):
But they're not undressed, are they?
They're very covered up.
They're very covered up.
I mean, they look more like poisonthan anything else.
You know, they've got like poison, like.
You could paint charted like that.
Yeah, probably could. You should do that.
Don't sell it.
I do, actually.
Listen, paint them, do you not? Okay.
But I think painted trousershas been invented.
(44:56):
Painted trousers? Is it
now they don't like sex.
I mean, they don't. Don't. Sexy. I'm God.
Should we minefield.
Should we reach out to get it.
Yeah I.
I feel like he'swhat this podcast needs it
needs something.
(45:18):
Did you know
in German vixen means wanker.
that's one of the things I learned fromthis article.
Did they knew thatwhen they chose the name.
I don't believe so.
And so how have the male audiencebeen reacting to you
(45:39):
of the rumpled little buggersbeen proper gentleman?
Yeah, says John very suspiciously.
We didn't know what to expect over herebecause we heard scary stories.
Roxy Yeah,like threatening things on stage.
But so far we've only got underwearand a couple of beers.
men's underwear.
The thought of men's wife litteringthe place doesn't seem to conjure up
quite the same pictures.
(46:00):
The lacy lingerie,the Grace's a Tom Jones stage, I take it.
You mean men's underwear?
yeah. They sing Is one Roxy out?
Some gruesome details landed on my headright on my head while I was playing.
And the guy that threw themlooks all prided himself like, Hey,
that's my underwear.
And don't like telling me this.
(46:20):
I mean, this is your absolute worstnightmares.
Make my filthy clothes filthy,shitty pants in the eighties.
So not you.
My God.
And I was surprised to see
a visible keyboard player,
John, if we had to.
If we had the keyboardplayer behind the curtain, then they think
(46:43):
all of our stuff was on tape or something.
Roxy Because there are songswhere the keys are so obvious.
They're right thereand they start the song We Can't Hide.
So they, they got a male keyboard playerand you never see him in the pictures.
But now.
That no, I didn't know that you think he'sjust just.
In for. Sexy women
do vixenlook at other all female bands i.e.
(47:06):
British Britain's no shame and LizPrecious metal our star at competition
Roxy We think it's coolbut we look at our competition
as Van Halen, Bon Jovi and Cinderellafirst and foremost.
We were a rock band.
Jan Although we were kind of thinkingthat one of the future monsters
or Monster asses of rockshould have some females
(47:26):
on their Lita Ford,Pat Benatar, Joan Jett, Girlschool.
And who's the other one? yeah, Vixen.
I mean, that's a little gagbecause they all.
I think we all got it.
So I won't name names,but there are some female rockers
who may tried to sell sexand it turns off a lot of audiences,
(47:48):
especially the female audience.
Females aren't offended by usbecause we're not relying on sex.
And I would I would agree with her.
And I mean, I think I think they havesome bad press from people
just didn't like the fact that it waswomen playing music.
But generally, you know, they seem like
(48:10):
very.
Lovely, lovely.
Very talented, very good singers,
beautiful hair.
Dino Edge of a Broken Heartwas written by Richard Marx.
No, I didn't know that.
Well, there she doesyou vixen fact for today.
Just the one.
Fax, fax, fax.
(48:32):
Vixen, fax.
Thanks Vixen fax. Just sends us.
Sounds like you're sayingvaccine O'Donnell Fax right.
Now say vaccine. You know.
So what we learned
That we definitely didan episode about the dirt.
Episode seven if you wanna listen to it.
(48:53):
Don't bother and
so it's obviously really good
if I can remember even not doing our wordswould.
Be nearly a year agowe started this podcast nearly a year ago.
We just thought,Would you go better by now?
If all goes to plan, this
episode should sound slightly better.
(49:14):
Okay.
But youjust mean by sound, not actual content.
Don't You make. A. Difference.
I think you can hear the uttershite content in better quality.
That's what you trying to say.
And on that bombshell.
They.
Will leave you
(49:37):
jaded.
you know.
We get that we're a girl band.
We're just a band to ourselves.
Yeah, We're just like,okay, we're in the dressing room.
10 minutes to showtime. We're just, you know,
no one on stage.
Yeah,I don't think like, I'm a girl drummer.
I know I'm just a drummer.
I go, girl or guyjust go up there and play and.
(00:39):
Do you want to do the introductionthis week?
No, thank you. Okay.
Hi there, listeners.
WelcomeOnce more to Can i Pod with Madness
your favorite Kerrang based podcast
since the guy that did recurring backissues is Stop doing it.
Stop doing it.
Yeah so it's just all us.
(01:04):
We've taken the crown.
And by default is winning by default.
B Default.
How are you?
Very well, thank you. You are more.
I are more. I am happy to see you.
That's nice.
So last time we recorded,we didn't even get to the Kerrang, did we?
(01:26):
No, no.
But, you know, and that's fine.
That's fine.
We shouldn't set unrealistic goals and no.
Are you going to talk aboutwhat you've been up to since we last?
Because you always say.What have you been up to since we last?
Well,I haven't been up to anything you have.
(01:46):
What I've been up to.
We went to a comedy.
yeah? Yeah.
That very night.
Because that's why we finished early.
That's where we went.
We went to Comedy Night.
Jon talked about that.
Yeah, we went to a stand up comedy night
with a guy called Mark Simmons.
(02:12):
And it was very good, wasn't it.
At Wild Waiting for you to film? Yeah.
I think you
found him on Instagram,also on your Facebook.
And we thought, Yeah, what the fuck?
Whatever. We'll go and see it.
It's cheap. Was it cheap?It was cheap. Was it.
And, and yeah.
What glowing star.
I mean I thought, this guy's
(02:34):
funny and he's touringso I'll go and see him.
I didn't quite put the spin on itthat you did just then.
But you saidit was better than you thought it'd be.
We thought.
We thought, I'm sure it'll be fine,but he's really good.
So he stuff on Facebook and liked it.
But then it was even funnier.
Which him. So
and he just he just does like,
(02:56):
like this sort of audience interactionstuff on these social needs
and actually put his actual material but
yeah heartily.
Endorsed just.
Yeah jokes. With Mark.
Yeah I listen to an episodethe other day with Chuck Skipper
I yeah on the you pointI mean in the direction
(03:18):
so there's you the there's you pulledand comedy recommendations.
And comedy recommendations.
Have you got any more recommendations And.
What Lost Boys.
Do you want to do.
Dedicated Lost Boys podcast sometime.
I think we should.
Yeah, I think we should.
(03:41):
I'm not sure.
Can speak coherently. Coherently.
I don't mean to me that
eloquently.
Maybe.
I don't know whether I can speakeloquently about it.
I'm sure you can.
I'm sure you've seen enough times to.
You know, I've plenty to say.
And he's well, I've got plenty to say.
It's slap bang in a
(04:04):
movie.
Well, in our era is if.
You look that's way posture.
I don't think that's even there. I
maybe that's not even thoughI pronunciation nor use of the word
but I've just said it so suck it.
I think if you want to look you've.
I mean saying I've just said itso suck is definitely more
(04:25):
that's how I talks and trying to pretendthat I use words other than suck.
Suck, suck over, suck.
Now you for as your title as.
Your title for the week.
Yeah.
No ever.
Why is it slap bang in the middle of whatwe normally talk about is 87, isn't it?
A yes.
(04:46):
Yeah.
I got distracted, soI was looking at the actual subject book
four pretzels up and it'sI can't obviously then
while we're doing this because you'lljust hear me chew him, which is awful.
So I'm just now upset that the next to meI can't eat them.
That's a11 of the Kevin Smith moviesI think is Dogma.
(05:10):
And there's two commentaries.
There's a commentary with like writer,director and actors,
and there's there'sa technical commentary.
And throughout the technical commentary,
they're just eating all the waythrough it.
And all you can hear is like masticating.
They're,they're eating like Doritos and stuff.
And it's just it's pretty GROSS.
(05:30):
Yeah.
So I won't do that if.
Anyone wants that. Obviously,you write in.
Some sort of fetish channel.
We'll consider it a smash yet.
No. As whisperingand doing this on the microphone
and then like
tapping my phone
and stuff that's say, similar.
(05:53):
We use caution and.
Do use calm. Calm. It's got some asthma.
Yeah invention about freak I,
I think I have an issue with noises
and asthma and calm would be likesome sort of nightmare torture thing.
Yeah.
Listen to some whiskers
whispering freaks me outwhen it's just a human being next to me.
(06:16):
But whispering by some random in my ear
when I'm trying to sleep will be
horrific. It's horrific.
I didn't enjoy it when I tried itand I quickly turned it off.
But if you do like that kind of thing,
go on calmand listen to some sort of asthma shit.
(06:38):
Or listen to all the other stuffthat goes. Off. Yeah.
Which isn't that asthma stories.
What's your bedtime stories?
What's your favorite record that's got
whispering in it?
I don't know.
Well, I'll let you ruminate on that one
because you need to recordthat must have like someone
(07:01):
whispering in the backgroundlike Riders on the Storm,
you know, along with the lead vocal,there's like a he's whispering along
on you know, double tracked
Twilight Zone by RushI think got whispering on.
But I think we've establishedyou don't like whispering.
But there must be some records of Godwould.
(07:22):
He let you go on record? I hate whispering
so there is no interest in it.
Not funny, but it's true.
So don't come at me whispering.
That's your
life, your Achilles heel.
Maybe.
I think it's more whispering when I.
(07:43):
When it's
actually you whispered to me now is fine.
But if you were, like, in another room.
Whispering to myself, yeah.
It was pretty selfor whispering to someone else
while I'm in the room. My.
I mean, it is impolite at best.
And creepy. But it's creepy. Yeah.
(08:05):
Right. And I like it. All right.
So in a break from our tradition,should you actually look at some crime?
Yes. For the love of God.
Did you read the music
from the back and do it in French?
Okay, so we're looking atcracking the material in 25 K.
Which. Is from February the 11th, 1989.
Nice. Okay.
(08:26):
And on the cover, we've got who are Vixen,
and the headline
is On Your Feet or On Your Knees.
Now, it was Vince, Neil
and well, there's no.
I think there
Vixen go down on Britain
(08:47):
feature and tour dates section
so I mean you'll seeif you look at our Instagram
she's sort of on her knees and singingand she's doing sort of rock
like you know the festive you know,she really means it.
The stuff. She really means it.
But I've got a problem with Vixengo down on Britain, right?
(09:10):
Because just because they're girls,they are suggesting that,
you know.
Yeah.
So that, you know,the casual sexism has started early.
I would if I was a betting man, I'd wagerthat Paul Stanley has gone down on
more people than all the members of Vixenput together, but they'd never put
no on a KISS cover, would they?
(09:32):
So, you know, 89 different times.
Also inside, we've got CruiseMammoth Choirboys, Gary Moore,
Malaya Rage,private life and slave trader,
an ape for UK gigs for WASP.
It's nice and exciting, isn't it?
I can say what you said about Paul Stanley
over the day.
(09:53):
I would just say that
Paul Stanley's voice is perhaps
not quite as good as it used to be
in the seventies,
and I think last time we went to see them,
he he announced from the stagethat they don't play to back in tapes.
(10:16):
They're not like you son of a bitch.
This is for guys.
There's no tapes.
There's no.
Background vocals.
Then nobody up to the stage
playing other parts.
It's just us.
(10:36):
This is what rock and roll is all about.
People
now go and
say, because if you sound like you be mean
to explain what you say.
we're saying if they have got backingtapes, I don't want,
(10:57):
Wolf a king wounded animal.
They recorded it.
I love him. He's he's great performer.
He's great From this.
Came about, I found outthat you felt like this by accident
because we were talking about am
going on tour. Yeah.
(11:18):
And we were talking about possiblygoing to see Hart.
And I said, Can this will sing?
And then you said some comment,
but the word he's but it's something like
you said then.
Well then I'll Paul Stanley and I said
but the note
(11:38):
Vince Neil or Dave Lee Roth
I'd like obviously no offensedid David Lee Roth or Vince Neil.
They can both singbetter than I ever could.
Now they they can now,but obviously they've, you know,
good people are aware that
their voice doesn'tsound the same anymore and gets older.
Yeah. You know, shut up.
(11:58):
I don't know.I'm not going to go listen. Right.
And I thought you used a scale ofI was saying Dave, live off and Vince Neil
is perhaps not great
and you use in PaulStanley is an example of good.
Don't wanna wait till you know me
better and.
(12:25):
Then it transpiredyou see was saying you shit
absolutely
outrageous wooly spent No it's outrageous.
You spent three decades
rock n rolling all night and partyingevery day in is taken toll on his voice.
You know,
there'svery few people of my generation who.
(12:46):
Still. Got 100% of pipes.
We've all seen funny videos of Vince Neil.
To be fair,the last time we went see Kiss,
I was really I got really drunkbecause they made me buy
like a bottle of wineinstead of a glass. So.
And you don't drink wine.
So it is down to me. And
I rose to the challenge and so choked.
(13:10):
Perhapsmy memory of the quality is could be
slightly off, but.
Well, we're not going to put anyone offgoing see case.
No, because they've,
they've handed in the towel on they,
they've stopped touring.
(13:31):
Well yeah but they say that on me.
Yeah.
I rememberyou got really annoyed with those men
in front of us who literally just talkedthat it's like you were.
Like.
You've spent like 100 quid on ticketsand you've just come out to have a chat.
They were just having a chatthe entire time.
I just chatting like the way you chat.
(13:51):
If you were
on a bench in a park,
people watching you, watching the peoplesee your eyes, sort
of watching the people and you watchingpeople go by and live their life.
But you chatand you've gone there with you, mate,
and that's what they're doingfor the entire thing.
And having to raise their voices
so they could be heard over the fuckingsound of Kiss.
So we had.
(14:13):
Just go to the pub.
I mean,
yeah, odd
and yeah.
Do we sound like angry old peopleshouting in clouds?
They were older than we were.
They were like
middle aged blokes that you'd see
in a pub and your.
(14:34):
Yeah.
This was a completely.
Classic
and I was a little younger than I am now.
Right.
And WASP heading to the UK.
It's exciting.
Their releasing a single called Mean Man
on the Capital Low Man Mean Mantaken from the Headless Children album.
(14:58):
The song has been written by Blackieas a candid and witty tribute
to WASP guitarist Chris Holmes and includethe lyric I'm a tattooed madman.
I'm hell on wheels.
This patch with the cover of the JethroTull tune
Locomotive Breath, which will notbe included on the album. And
it comes in purple vinyl.
(15:19):
Nice.
And I don't know if you remember ChrisHolmes,
the kind of
hulking, great guitarist.
If you watch.
For Eamon that all commercialized.
It was that hey.
That's Chris Needham. Okay.
Christineprobably really liked WASP, I think.
(15:42):
But if you remember when we watched
The Decline and Fall of WesternCivilization, Part two,
he was depictedas being in a swimming pool,
drinking like a bottle of vodkaand abusing his mum.
We need to watch out.
We need to I mean, we saw our film yearsand years and years ago
(16:02):
and that's basically what Chris Holmes isbest known for.
Okay.
But I thought it very interestingthat they did a Jethro Tull song,
but it's not great.
Their version, I mean, is fine.
It chugs along, but
you know,
their version of the Real Me by theWho is better
(16:22):
we shouldwe should show our friend Steamboat 5000
who's provided the interface sowe can actually use a better microphone.
So they kind of thank Steamboat.
he is the owner
and creator of the Breakfast in the Ruinspodcast.
You should all go and listen to.
(16:43):
The podcast recommendation.
Another podcast recommendationif you like.
Michael Moorcock Novelsor any like weird horror pulp stuff,
definitely go overand listen to Breakfast in the Ruins.
I think most of our audience comesfrom there because I was on his show,
right?
And I publicized oursand R That's when our downloads went up.
(17:04):
Basically.
That's the only the only spike we've everhad was when I went on that show.
And people obviously just listenedto the first one of the little, you know,
what am I going to learn from this?
What a. Load of. Nonsense.
A load of nonsense.
Okay.
So I've got a fun story for year
Kansas,
Aerosmith in Secret British shows, ShockerUnpublicized
(17:27):
gigs at high Security, American air bases,
American pomp, rock
stars,Kansas have secretly flown into the UK
to play shows for US servicemen and womenworking on American military bases.
And among the American band
said to have appeared in the pasta legendary Aerosmith.
The show seemed to be shrouded in secrecy.
(17:48):
The bands have flown
in and out of the UK in a transportedare owned by the US military.
The recent Kansas tour took placelate last year and the band
also visited American basein Iceland, West Germany, in the Azores.
An unnamed source told Mayhemthat he attended the Kansas show
and also a show by Aerosmith,an American airbase situated in the UK.
Aerosmith is said to have played the showsoon after the release of their Done
(18:11):
with Mirrors album.
The Source
revealed aboutit and that the band's undertake this show
on condition that they do not playany of the gigs in established venues
and the shows are not publicized.
We've been unable to uncover any furtherdetails, but if we do, we'll let you know.
So does ever Smithbefore permanent vacation?
(18:34):
Well said.
The sort of, you know,
just sort of comingout of their wilderness years, I guess.
But yeah yeah I don't think about yourthe album.
What is the famous are there famous songs.
On the music? Do the talking.
Okay My fist.
Your face.
(18:55):
Was my face your face about.
You Find out
Lola's not condoning violence, but
it's just a joke.
The reason a dog or we a title, GypsyBoots.
She's on fire at the hop.
You don't remember? Okay, They're not
(19:16):
on classics, are they? Nah.
Maybe when they got into their proper
86 as they stopped playing military bases.
I like that.
The whole thing then was they were toldthat they couldn't talk about.
It was all shrouded in secrecy.
And then they're saying,We don't know much.
He's like, Well, no shit.
You just you've just said you've just saidbasically
(19:39):
you're not going to get
information because it was a secret.
So if you served in the American militaryand were posted in
Europe in the mid-eightiesand you went to see Aerosmith
at a secret gig,please let us know quickly.
And yeah, I do like a mystery.
Yeah,but maybe they all had to sign an NDA
(20:02):
and they can't tell the audience. Yeah.
It's possible.
I suppose you don't. Know.
Military Secrets Act exactly
Sick as a break
American thrash band Intense mutilationwho claimed to be, quote,
metal sickest band have completedwork on their debut
(20:22):
album entitled SafeSex Valley Stream Studios in New York.
The band, which features the doubtlessformidable talents of pungent vomit
Fetus and Jack shit, hopeto release the album in the spring.
So this picture of intense mutilation,do you want to describe
what they look like?
and one of them
(20:44):
looks like quite Jessopas a witch in Halloween.
Been back and then just I don'tI don't know how.
I really gross old fashionedHalloween costumes.
I mean, if you saw them loomingout of the darkness, you'd
you wouldn't like it, would you?
So got communication. Okay.
Having read your 100 greatest heavy metalalbums of all time, I think I can safely
(21:06):
say is the biggest pile of shitever to be seen in your magazine.
How could Def Leppard's hysteriabe number six?
Well, Iron Maiden's numberThe Beast is only number 65 is beyond me.
That's from Andy Richardson in Folkestone.
Yeah, but they all get angry any less.
Is that typical? So we've mentioned
for the love of horror before. my.
(21:29):
We have
the horror convention,so they've got a guest announcement.
Okay.
And Scott Ian from Anthrax.
Wow. Is going to be there. So
if you like anthrax
head on down.
I mean, I saw that they posted it today.
(21:50):
Who likes heavy metal?
Yeah, Some people are sayingit could be Alice Cooper.
Gladys knocks out.
It's just me now.
But yeah.
So what capacity is he there in
just that he's famous and he likes horror.
Yeah.
It doesn't say
(22:11):
that he's going to be.
It didn't say.
Well, it's just a photo. Right.
And they do have an afterparty
so under the high speed.
Yeah. Who knows.
But so that is relevant.
Well they had Corey Taylorthere a complete couple of years ago.
(22:31):
Was it.
Last year.
No, no, I think it was the year before.
I will.
Maybe he's. Maybe he's playing.
Okay. Might be.
I mean if we get our picturestaken with Scott Ian
that's a legit thing for thispodcast, isn't it.
And yeah
(22:52):
but I'd have to tell himthat I'm not really a big Anthony fan.
Then that would get awkwardand he'd be like, Why?
Why you here then
about podcast, mate?
Fine.
I never was,but like listening to them for this.
They had some really good songs.
Really? Yeah, Yeah.
Like proper thrash.
But I don't think you hear muchabout them these days.
(23:14):
But they were one of the big bandsthis time.
Like, Yeah,they've got a song about Judge Dredd.
Like, that's,
you know, to
me as a teenage boy,that was very exciting.
Back to back, you know,
that guy that maybe got bigger.
I have about 15000.
(23:39):
I'm going to go
back out to.
You on why you music to be
about the things that you're interestedin, don't you?
Yeah,
well, actually, no,
no. Does it ruin it for.
(24:01):
You know, it justI don't think it's a necessity.
Name one pretty song that you like.
It's about somethingthat's going on in your life.
But dance.
yes. Yeah.
I will stand up for the Batman album.
I've been listening to the songPaisley Park a lot like, Yeah,
I'll say, that was in the seventies.
I saw your deep cuts.
(24:22):
Yeah, really deep, man. It's.
You had a prince, this guy for Prince.
You might not heard me a couple of albums,
but we got too many hits.
And the song Paisley Park
is really good.
Like, I know that's an obvious in sayingit's really stupid, pointless,
(24:43):
but you know how you go through phases
and you re like up in songand then you like another Prince song.
And that's why I don't listen to what the.
Album is on.
And isn't on around the world in a day.
I don't know.
my God.
What's good about it?
(25:03):
Am It's just good.
Just good.
Yeah, it is good.
It is
on around the world in the day or 95.
(25:25):
So they go,
You do like Prince, then you all try.
Try again harder.
We've gone.
Ask about the choir, boys. Nice.
It's called Sloshed in Hollywood. Back
in London,the choir boys have now been out of order
on both sides of the Atlantic, thanks totheir new record label, flying to L.A.
(25:49):
to, quote,meet the folks and have a drink.
So this article is by Mick Wall,
and it's mostly about drinking.
And so he's talking about,
Sharon Osborne is their new manager
(26:09):
and Sharon Stone, a great job alreadybefore she came along.
I don't think it really clicked with meor Capital.
Sharon came alongand renegotiated the whole deal.
What kind of deal?
We talked about worldwide for sevenor eight albums, something like that.
Quote, I don't know what it is exactly,but it's one of them deals
that has the Sputnik wars going onabout how they got so much money
(26:32):
out of the record company.
All our deals fucking triple the size ofthey could have ever fucking dreamed of.
I mean, I don't know how he knows.
This is MickWall talking to Spike from the choir boys.
Didn't you tell me in L.A.
that you had to leave the meeting?
You haven't with Capitalto be sick in the toilet.
Quote? It's true.
He grins sheepishly,and not just one meet.
(26:54):
In every single meetingwhich we have with capital,
it became a tradition every time I metsomeone new from the record company
out to go and throw upand I was quite polite about it.
I just got up and left the room.
When I'd finished being sick,I went back in and carried on the meeting.
It's not as if I collapsed facefirst over their desks.
Actually, it's really funny of all that,because in America,
when you meet someone importantfrom the record company,
(27:14):
they shake your hand and look you straightin the eye to see if you doing smack.
They can tell by the eyes,which is why we always wear shades.
Hahaha only kidding.
It is a miracle. The
he is still with us
and it's also really good at singing.
So yeah. I'm.
(27:38):
Yeah, it does seem to be there.
They're up, they just drink clothes.
I can get behind.
That and they're sort of,they talk a lot about humble pie
and Rod Stewart in the Facesand all these bands.
This all following in thein the lineage of
who were also really, really well knownfor just being pestered all the time.
(27:59):
And this article mostly about Gingerleaving
your mates really into Gingerwent on to form the Wild Hearts
and he was in the choir boys,but they basically booted him out.
I was going to just read this out,but I'm going to get you
to a little bit of quiz tonight.
So in 1983, the Week in Battle,the first annual Miss Nude
(28:21):
HeavyMetal contest organized by Can You Guess
all of them.
It took place in Los Angeles
1983.
Because the hair.
jet black and
(28:41):
blond
and jet black and jet black and.
Vince Neil and his six.
It was. Me.
And it was organized by none
other than motley crewand but it's been canceled.
Sheriff's official reasons are given,including not in a.
Bright ideaunless you are like a 14 year old boy.
(29:03):
And you thought it would bea really good idea.
And various official reasons are given,
including not enoughattractive nubile rockers registering.
But the unofficial word is the east, downto a Los Angeles City bylaw
prohibiting minorswith witnessing depravity.
But. Fair.
So one.
(29:25):
Yeah, we will.
See some of it, right?
Yeah. We were robbed,
but the people who signed upwere a bit gutted.
And I bet they just did itin private than they, the crew.
Maybe
have talked about the dirt.
The book probably have.
(29:46):
my God.
The film.
Well,we did a whole podcast about the film.
no, I don't.
I've not got a problem.
I've just got let issuesjust because we talk about a lot of stuff.
A lotand we talk about a lot of stuff a lot.
(30:08):
And that was meant to sound so different.
The second time it came out.
But you know,
like we talk about Motley Crew a lotand we talk about Lost Boys a lot.
So you tell me, you rememberwe talked about Lost Boys?
I be like, Well, but when?
Because we do it every day.
So I can't distinguish. Well.
And I've got a memory problem.
(30:29):
Ultimately will record everything.
And you're not going to have a cluewhen I start to have actual
memory problems here, because it's goingto be very hard to tell.
When you do.
You can just listen to these back
now. I'll be like, Here's this.
She's really annoying.
(30:50):
Who these young scalps.
dear. Yeah.
No, cos I won't bore them
and shit.
God. Shit. Yes. No we did.
Yeah.
We sat and watched itand we recorded it as we watched it.
Was it
(31:10):
because I feel like we should do it
slightly differently,We should have watched it
and then watched it on silentwhile we were talking about.
Yeah that would worked.
How could we ended upso stoned at the telly?
Yeah. No.
Okay, I'm back in the room. Well,
I'm here with the next time we do a film.
That's how we'll do it. So we get.
To. Watch.
(31:31):
Constantly be improving.
Exactly. Yes.
So we need towardsdecline in Western civilization.
We need to. Watchget any worse than what we're doing.
But yes.
We need to watch the heavy metal special.
What else, Lost Boys?
Obviouslythis is all tangentially related.
(31:51):
I said yesterday we short two lost boysand you didn't answer me.
If we're going to do a podcast about it,I will 100% watch The Lost Boys.
my God.
You want to suck the fun of everything
Now? It's fun.
You get to. Be making it work.
It's not work.
It's just a little chat.
(32:13):
It's just a fun chat.
That sounds like when a bosswould be like, That's just fun.
We're just having fun.
There's a article about Gary Moore.
We were talking about Gary Moorerecently, weren't we?
Yeah.
This is mostly about his albumAfter the War and
(32:37):
and apparently The Sun newspaper has saidhe's a millionaire, which is a constant
source of mirth throughout this articlebecause I don't think he's a millionaire.
Much matter
what irrelevant.
Well,I think if you're writing for The Sun,
you want itto be as sensational as possible.
(32:59):
Then you so you just make shit up and hot.
Take, baby.
Tell me that a rock star, a millionaire,I'm not going to be anything of them.
All right.
Well, you'd probably assumethat anyone who's on Top of the Pops
is a millionaire,but very few of them were
right. Okay?
And so one of the songs on this album,one of the things they talk about a lot
(33:28):
is there's this song called Led Clones,right?
An undisguisedand very humorous poke at Kingdom
Come in particular, and are the bands whorip off other bands and ideas in general
not only is LED clones a cleverand very witty criticism,
but also marvelousand intriguing song in its own right.
Bits of whole all of Kashmirand of the Zeppelin riffs.
(33:50):
Ozzy Osborne does lead vocals,
which doesn't
really make sense because he doesn'tsound like Robert Plant.
And I listened to itand it just sounds like Kingdom Come.
I mean, it's he's having ago at Kingdom Come
who everyone said sounded like LedZeppelin, and he's done this by sort of
ripping them offwhile they're ripping off Led Zeppelin
(34:11):
says now.
you're going to Kingdom.
(34:32):
You got it.
No, exactly.
(35:00):
So obviously, the main thingthey talk about in this article,
I put know they're sayingit sounds like the Beatles at the end.
I put anything in there.
I mean, what's Ozzy doing in there? He'snot like anyone else.
You know, Ozzy, he's got a gift.
He opens his mouthand this noise comes out
and he doesn'tsound like anyone else at all.
I mean, I think that's a pretty gooddescription of Ozzy, isn't it?
(35:21):
I was about to start singing spidersthen and I stopped myself.
Go for it.
No, I was my mouth was
formed it
nosed almost after So,
no one wants to hear that and then maybeneed to prepare their first.
I wasn't sure exactly how it was going tocome out. Probably very good.
And it would have been really needed.
(35:43):
I mean.
You'd have thoughtthat was really good and,
you know, some gifts you got to keep.
Andy Bushell.
Well, if you do well enough, people willjust think we've cut in the actual record.
See, my last slide I was justabout to again stop, will see me.
Do it and I'll cut in. Okay?
(36:03):
And I love that song.
He's also having a pop at the Angry MomsThings of this world.
A lot of people are going to say,Fuck you,
you don't know what this is aboutbecause you've been around too long.
But is thiswhat modern guitar playing is about?
I don't give a shit. It's very cold.
(36:24):
It's not what modernguitar playing is all about.
It should have some sort of emotionand these guys should be in an orchestra
or something.
They're playing with a classical approach
and they're turning guitar playinginto a fucking competitive sports show.
What about this Gary Moore?
And he also
talked about how he wants to do a bluesalbum, which is the next thing he did.
He did the album, still got the Blues,
(36:45):
and I think he didn't really doany sort of heavy rock albums after that.
He just became a blues playerfor the rest of his life.
Good friends
and so we've got
in the classified arts,we've got musicians available,
(37:05):
bassist available.
24 year old SwedishWild Man seeks band on the rise
with managementand future good looks and great chops.
Ten years playing contacts.
Does great Chopped mean good singeror just like a good mouth?
Well, I think great chops.
Great chopsmeans like you got good skills at playing.
(37:26):
In the big breakfast.
They used to
talk about mutton chops,
and that's not an interesting sentence.
But if you've got a big breakfast,
I'm sure they did.
And I imagine that and I'm sayingthat I'm thinking it's like, how about.
It sounds great.Johnny Vaughan Still great mutton chops.
(37:47):
It would be like, Ooh, more chops.
And then like, worked his Irish later.
So. But it doesn't mean a good singer.
No, no.
It means like when you say someone'sgot good chops, it means like they,
they got good skills at play in like got.
A lot of making.
Tasty legs.
You understand where it comes from.
(38:08):
You should, I mean, good singer.
Now he says he's a bassist.
A one. They're not saying.
He's putting himself forwards.
AS What basis? Fox
Is he
sockets 24 year old Swedish WildmanHe could be.
So he's not Lexi Foxbut he could be Steel Panther
because his name is Jay Tits.
(38:31):
Lost touch with a Z.
Cos it is dated. Jay tit.
Hits on the bass guitar with the chops.
Date it.
We should do it.
Look, if he's still going can he.
He's welcome to use thatin like a radio jingle for his
bass lessons or whatever he does now.
(38:53):
Treat it for one only
Jay tits.
Jay do it.
So otherwise I'll just keep saying it.
We got pen pals section
now, if you'll remember,
I said I was going to reach outto a few people from ten pals
(39:16):
and no one in this issuegot back to me on really, really to.
To get you ghosted.
In touch with Marianne Ballardfrom Birmingham because her art is.
Hey, girls,if you live in Birmingham and want to form
a girls only rock, who's goingget in touch now?
Nice.
Which I want to hear a story.
You know, that sounds like.
(39:36):
I bet they did, but they caused
fun and chaos.
Birmingham girls only rock a gang.
That sounds brilliant.
And there's also a crazy
female sleazebag 17 into Jena.
Aerosmith, FasterPussycat, Cinderella dogs, two
more elegant honey walksand many more. It's
(39:57):
no shame.
There's 20, 24.
Yeah.
And people aren't uttering that sentencein a pen pal letter anymore.
There's also a female veggie.
You didn'tget many of those back in the eighties.
20 laughs.
Judas Priest, T-Rex,Guns, Roses, Heart, Gorgeous highlights.
A most major but not thrash.
(40:18):
Also sword and sorcery Boogiebeing Panthers.
Just Panthers general Well.
Who doesn't like Panthers.
Panthers.
I couldn't I couldn't get in touch youbecause it just says Jackie.
So you need. What you can findJacqui on the Internet.
Jacqui Jacqui in Belfast,if you're listening.
Right, and you ask each one
(40:38):
how you feel about Panthers andthen the one who goes like them, I say.
Idiot, I did.
I did get some people replying to me.
But no one from this issue.
I reached out to some peoplein current contacts.
Okay.
And was it them?
Yeah.
(40:58):
Yeah.
I mean, shall we go through that now?
I mean, we now find current contacts.
No. Will do and we'll do it.
We need to do current contactsbecause that's an
iffy I don't know if you know,but it's like
they just put out a magazinewith no editorial content,
whatever it was,just lists of pen pals and letters.
(41:21):
So no, not to write anything.
They just printed, you know, letters on.
It's like a clip shown at Yeah.
Lady Day for the Wrangler.
But obviously Crying was doing sowell at the time.
They could put out special to
okay,
there's something about a Scandinavian,
(41:42):
band called Pussy Galore.
Can you guesshow they describe themselves?
What sort of general they'd be?
Glam metal.
Glam, glam trash rockers.
Yeah.
there'sa band called Slavery from Cornwall.
(42:06):
Can you guess what kind of genre they are?
hard rock site grindcore.
Never got that in a million years.
I don't think I've ever said grindcoreuntil just now.
What is grindcore?
It's like,so Napalm Death, that sort of really is.
(42:27):
Not my experience.
I'm more the faster Pussycat nonsense.
Well, you're.
Like Jackie, aren't you?
You like most h m but not thrash.
Yeah, I'm like, Jackie.
There's a band called Tanner Lawnfrom Bristol.
And. Dates.
So to give you a bit of context,Tanner Lawn is a fabled city
(42:47):
for Michael Moorcock.
Books was full circle cleaner.
What genre do you think?
Tanner Lawn might be?
Smooth.
Smooth. What?
They are progressive rock at all.
That difference you.
See about magical swords and shit. Yeah.
And also there's a Worcester based
(43:09):
band called Prophecy of Doom.
Okay.
Do you want to guess what they are?
Thrash their thrash.
Yeah.
So well done.
See, I told you
you were good at some of these quizzes.
If I just get the right questions.
But then anyone will be good at quizzesif they just have the right questions.
(43:31):
I mean, in the in the records reviews,there's a band reviewed called Mon Blade.
Mon Blade is also somethingfrom Michael Moorcock Books.
How Weight.
Is The Sister Sold to L Rex Storm Bringer
The Soul Sucking Black Sword.
So I think Michael Moore for a
(43:52):
I mean really just go listento breakfast in the ruins, you know Yes.
This shit.
not notwell I am on some episodes of Yeah.
Miss those ones go to good ones.Go to the good episodes. Right.
You know.
He talks to proper people.
He just like actual musiciansand writers and stuff.
And then when he has his episodes.
Yes. UN.
(44:13):
He gets me in. Yeah.
When no one else is available.
So we've got to the Vixen article.
Okay.
I mean, give me like, what do you thinkis, you know, looking at them.
They look good because.
People were saying at the timethey just use sex to sell their music.
But I don't. Buybecause they're literally women.
Well, they're literally women, right.
(44:33):
But they're not undressed, are they?
They're very covered up.
They're very covered up.
I mean, they look more like poisonthan anything else.
You know, they've got like poison, like.
You could paint charted like that.
Yeah, probably could. You should do that.
Don't sell it.
I do, actually.
Listen, paint them, do you not? Okay.
But I think painted trousershas been invented.
(44:56):
Painted trousers? Is it
now they don't like sex.
I mean, they don't. Don't. Sexy. I'm God.
Should we minefield.
Should we reach out to get it.
Yeah I.
I feel like he'swhat this podcast needs it
needs something.
(45:18):
Did you know
in German vixen means wanker.
that's one of the things I learned fromthis article.
Did they knew thatwhen they chose the name.
I don't believe so.
And so how have the male audiencebeen reacting to you
(45:39):
of the rumpled little buggersbeen proper gentleman?
Yeah, says John very suspiciously.
We didn't know what to expect over herebecause we heard scary stories.
Roxy Yeah,like threatening things on stage.
But so far we've only got underwearand a couple of beers.
men's underwear.
The thought of men's wife litteringthe place doesn't seem to conjure up
quite the same pictures.
(46:00):
The lacy lingerie,the Grace's a Tom Jones stage, I take it.
You mean men's underwear?
yeah. They sing Is one Roxy out?
Some gruesome details landed on my headright on my head while I was playing.
And the guy that threw themlooks all prided himself like, Hey,
that's my underwear.
And don't like telling me this.
(46:20):
I mean, this is your absolute worstnightmares.
Make my filthy clothes filthy,shitty pants in the eighties.
So not you.
My God.
And I was surprised to see
a visible keyboard player,
John, if we had to.
If we had the keyboardplayer behind the curtain, then they think
(46:43):
all of our stuff was on tape or something.
Roxy Because there are songswhere the keys are so obvious.
They're right thereand they start the song We Can't Hide.
So they, they got a male keyboard playerand you never see him in the pictures.
But now.
That no, I didn't know that you think he'sjust just.
In for. Sexy women
do vixenlook at other all female bands i.e.
(47:06):
British Britain's no shame and LizPrecious metal our star at competition
Roxy We think it's coolbut we look at our competition
as Van Halen, Bon Jovi and Cinderellafirst and foremost.
We were a rock band.
Jan Although we were kind of thinkingthat one of the future monsters
or Monster asses of rockshould have some females
(47:26):
on their Lita Ford,Pat Benatar, Joan Jett, Girlschool.
And who's the other one? yeah, Vixen.
I mean, that's a little gagbecause they all.
I think we all got it.
So I won't name names,but there are some female rockers
who may tried to sell sexand it turns off a lot of audiences,
(47:48):
especially the female audience.
Females aren't offended by usbecause we're not relying on sex.
And I would I would agree with her.
And I mean, I think I think they havesome bad press from people
just didn't like the fact that it waswomen playing music.
But generally, you know, they seem like
(48:10):
very.
Lovely, lovely.
Very talented, very good singers,
beautiful hair.
Dino Edge of a Broken Heartwas written by Richard Marx.
No, I didn't know that.
Well, there she doesyou vixen fact for today.
Just the one.
Fax, fax, fax.
(48:32):
Vixen, fax.
Thanks Vixen fax. Just sends us.
Sounds like you're sayingvaccine O'Donnell Fax right.
Now say vaccine. You know.
So what we learned
That we definitely didan episode about the dirt.
Episode seven if you wanna listen to it.
(48:53):
Don't bother and
so it's obviously really good
if I can remember even not doing our wordswould.
Be nearly a year agowe started this podcast nearly a year ago.
We just thought,Would you go better by now?
If all goes to plan, this
episode should sound slightly better.
(49:14):
Okay.
But youjust mean by sound, not actual content.
Don't You make. A. Difference.
I think you can hear the uttershite content in better quality.
That's what you trying to say.
And on that bombshell.
They.
Will leave you
(49:37):
jaded.
you know.
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Introducing… Aubrey O’Day Diddy’s former protege, television personality, platinum selling music artist, Danity Kane alum Aubrey O’Day joins veteran journalists Amy Robach and TJ Holmes to provide a unique perspective on the trial that has captivated the attention of the nation. Join them throughout the trial as they discuss, debate, and dissect every detail, every aspect of the proceedings. Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise, as only she is qualified to do given her first-hand knowledge. From her days on Making the Band, as she emerged as the breakout star, the truth of the situation would be the opposite of the glitz and glamour. Listen throughout every minute of the trial, for this exclusive coverage. Amy Robach and TJ Holmes present Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial, an iHeartRadio podcast.
Good Hang with Amy Poehler
Come hang with Amy Poehler. Each week on her podcast, she'll welcome celebrities and fun people to her studio. They'll share stories about their careers, mutual friends, shared enthusiasms, and most importantly, what's been making them laugh. This podcast is not about trying to make you better or giving advice. Amy just wants to have a good time.