The vast majority of churches in the United States seem to have embraced the model of congregational chaplaincy. The church hired the pastor to take care of the flock. The problem with that model is that it's not biblical and it guarantees that the church will decline to the point that it must close. In this episode, Drs. Kris and Bill have a lively conversation about leading a congregation to the transition from chaplaincy to transformational.
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