September 16, 2024 • 52 mins
30 years later after the trainwreck that was Beyond the Thunderdome we finally get the film that our boy Max deserves!
Fury Road is masterclass filmmaking with a rock opera style that no one can duplicate or has the balls to do so.
Join Ciaran and Trevor as they discuss this adrenaline filled, super turbo charged action spectacle.
Enjoy!
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Music.
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Turn the rig around. Go back for her. No.
Tell him to turn the rig around. Did you see it? She went under the wheels.
Did you see it? She went under the wheels.
We keep moving. No. We keep moving. Nobody's talking about.
All right, guys, we're back with our Mad Max retrospective with Fury Road.
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That's right. I believe this is 35 years later Since We had the dreadful,
Dreadful dreadful And I don't know if I said dreadful enough Mad Max Beyond
the Thunder Well your math as you would say is dreadful Because it's actually
30 years exactly 30 years,
Since I added 5 more years,
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Just because Mad Max Beyond Thunder don't add 5 years onto our lives when watching
it Yes there you go that's perfect There you go Now, you know,
but George Miller got on him, went on to do other things.
Lorenzo's loyal, I think he did, which was well-received. Obviously,
Oscar nominated for Babe, Pig in the City, then Babe 2.
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No, it was Babe, then Babe, Pig in the City.
Then he did Happy Feet. Kind of a plea off course to what you were used to seeing
George Miller do. Children's films, basically.
Yeah, I mean, he got on him. That's cool.
And so, and really, actually very well-received. I'm glad you did that.
I'd like to see a director branch out.
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And so when he announced he's coming back to the Mad Max franchise,
a little concerned because we all know how I feel about Mad Max 3.
I felt he's kind of a cop-out and kind of sold himself out, unfortunately.
But seeing Fury Road, this man is just a visionary. I mean, Jesus.
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I watched this again, and I watched this in Furiosa back-to-back.
And they're just, they're beautifully executed stories.
And I had a big thing for Furiosa and I watched it, and I've watched like four or five times.
And I'm a little more removed from it as much as I really liked it when I first saw it.
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But it's got some wonderful elements. But I think you need to watch Fury Road
and then Furiosa back-to-back to really get the rush that I just experienced.
I mean, I've watched Fury Road quite a few times myself as well.
But I hadn't watched it in a couple of years whenever I went to see Furiosa for the first time.
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And I was thinking to myself, self i think in certain ways furiosa
this is at the time after seeing furiosa i felt
that possibly furiosa was better and i was
still thinking in some aspects like characterization and story
it's it slightly shades it with fury road however
then i re-watched fury road for this
podcast that we're doing now and it's incredible and it's definitely yeah overall
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better yeah i mean i i will say this I did say that I still think The Road Warrior
is the better of all the films of the Mad Maxes.
And after watching Fury Road again, I'm going to stick with what I said.
And I actually think Mad Max fans would agree with us that Road Warrior,
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because it's a little more gritty and grounded, where this is just a fucking rock opera.
And I haven't watched it in a couple of years, but let's just jump into it and talk.
Well, doing my homework for the podcast as well, aside from,
you know, watching it again,
I know that a lot of other big name directors were, you know,
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basically whenever they met George Miller,
they were basically gobsmacked how on a technical level he filmed it without
multiple people dying. It's unreal. It is.
This is, and I said once before, this is a masterpiece in filmmaking. It is five out of five.
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Nothing can touch this film. Nothing. I know it sounds weird,
but I still think World War is a better film and World War isn't a masterpiece,
but I think that's why it's better.
I think it's got its flaws because I like the independent rawness where this
one has got a big studio backing and that's fucking great.
If you want a studio backing and you give us this fucking film, work away, please do.
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80% practical, 80%. Yeah.
And he says the only. According to, well, according to some reports I've read,
90%. Well, the sandstorm and the, you can see a little bit, but when you do
CGI with practical, this is how you fucking do it.
And when I watched Fury Road of Furiosa, I can see Furiosa taking a little too
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much of the CGI but we'll jump.
Yes there's a particular scene in Furiosa which we'll get to on that podcast.
We'll jump into that, we'll jump into it.
Let's jump in to Fury Road and just have a good time and make some jokes and
just enjoy this fucking visual treat.
This is spectacle. It's unreal.
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I just you get chills watching it. It's just fucking. I guess that's the end of our podcast.
Yeah, but this is basically the road warrior with a shit load of the budget
thrown at it. Yeah, but done right.
That's what I'm saying. If you're going to do it and you're going to do big studio backing, wow.
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And the great thing about Warner Brothers backing this up, they kind of left
him alone because some of the shit this guy gets away with just... Okay.
Well, it goes back to even what we were talking about in the original Mad Max.
And even though it's big budget and there's like millions of dollars thrown
at it, it still feels in a way like guerrilla film. It does,
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like they left him alone. Is it seeing? Here you go. Do your thing.
We're turning a blind eye.
Yeah. All right, guys, we're going to jump into this one.
So, again, it wouldn't be a Max film without our boy Max and the rest of this wonderful cast.
Furiosa, Knox, Immortan Joe, Slit, Rictus Rectus, Toad the Knowing,
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the Dag, Cheeto the Fragile, the Peep Leader, the Bullet Farmer,
And of course, my favorite guitar player of all time The Doof Warrior The Doof Warrior,
yep One of my favorite A couple of them actually pop up again In Furiosa Yes, Rictus and Rectus Yeah,
they all Kind of come back, and Morton Joe,
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And the guy, the organic Mechanic Yeah, you see, Wade switches teams But we'll
jump into that one Yes, we'll find out how, yeah,
Yeah, I mean, the opening scene alone is, it's just, it's so good.
It's just one big, I don't know.
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So in the beginning here, you know when you're seeing Max?
Yes. And he's taking a whiz. Yeah. I love the little scene, the little gecko,
whatever the fucking thing is.
He eats it. And he eats it. He doesn't even really touch it.
He just kind of grabbles it into his mouth.
And and they when we're introduced to him he turns to the
camera we can see him with the tail and it's still moving and shit just eats
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it raw and alive and he's also i believe before he does that i think that he's
like being eaten dog food again which again is a big tip of the hat he's driving
the interceptor so yeah this is we've discussed this outside of this podcast,
this is not a direct sequel to the original trilogy this is a reboot and a new
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universe Miller's basically admitted it.
I don't think he has admitted it. I think you're wrong.
I don't think it is. No, I've read up on it. I don't care. Well,
you've got to realize, some of these reviews, until George Miller gets on and
says no, because he still has the leg wound, he still has the same leg brace.
You didn't notice that, did you? Well, this is George Miller being quoted hard, true or not, it is.
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I probably think too much about these things, but I was trying to piece everything
together in terms of the overall story.
If it is a direct sequel, if it is, it would have to be set before the Road
Warrior because he still has the Interceptor.
And so yes it doesn't really add
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up and it does appear to be the things like
you know the knee brace and stuff like that that are
they're basically more like references
to the original trilogy now i
would say i was wrong about something you know the way he has the flashbacks to
like a young girl being sort of
killed and stuff apparently i thought well in
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this one he has a daughter but in the original trilogy he has a son
but apparently that's a completely different character apparently this
was followed up in official comic books or
graphic novels related to fury road apparently these
nightmares that he's having are a young woman and her daughter who he tried
to see it but couldn't but weren't related to him okay i didn't take it like
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we mentioned before mad max are one-off films they all are they don't really
bleed onto each other these next two do a little bit,
well the original three definitely bleed into each other you know they follow
one especially the first two,
nah you can watch them separate I mentioned that before oh yeah definitely watch
them separate you can watch them separate but you don't need to watch World
Warrior to know who Mad Max is,
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yes I know that but for someone like me who's pedantic and thinks about these
types of things way too much you do and you're losing our listening audience
now because of it thank you.
And also i'm with a new actor playing max due
to you know mel gibson for several reasons
not coming back to the role and you
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know what i like i really like tom hardy and i
really like him in this but to me mel is
max and i would love to see mel while george miller and mel gibson are still
with us i would love to see them get together for another mad max film that
won't happen now you've planted a seed of hardy sadly we'll get into furiosa
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what happened the box office numbers i don't think we'll ever get one now we
might no we'll probably won't but we'll see.
I don't know, it'd be kind of cool to have like a crossover,
have even Mel come back as the bad guy or something, and have Tom Hardy come back as Max.
That'd be kind of like a passion, a true passion of the torch,
I think is what's owed them. I do think Mel Gibson's owed that.
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Yeah, well, they did something similar with Immortan Joe in that they brought
the toe cutter back to play him,
you know, obviously playing a different character. That's not the same.
I mean, it's not, I'm just, yeah, but that's, nobody really,
really i mean yeah it's cool it's cool that he's back
but it's not the same as mel gibson passing
the torch tom hardy you know yeah that's a
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mean that should be done so i
don't know if that's studio involvement but it can't be warner brothers fault
because warner brothers backs up he they produce a lot of mel gibson's directing
stuff so well i do know that mel gibson and george miller are still on very
good terms and in fact they were sitting beside each other at the premiere year of this film,
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whenever it was first released, nine years ago. There you go.
And maybe he did talk to him and say, do you want to do it? And you're like,
ah, fuck, I don't know. Yeah. You just never know. You never know what conversations
happen trying to close doors.
All right, guys, let's just jump into this. We're kind of going ranting there.
I apologize for Trevor's rant. That's not a rant.
I thought it was. Well, yeah. Yes.
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You haven't seen me rant yet. So you pretty much get Max being chased And then
he's ambushed and taken down pretty quickly in his little cool car,
which we see get destroyed in again by the, uh, the synodals.
Yeah. The war boys, the warrior boys, war boys, the warrior boys,
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the war boys, just like W A R no, they're not.
Nope. Just war boys. It's not warrior boys. It's war boys, war boys.
Promise you. I'm looking this up right now, everyone. How can I make you look
bad? Yeah. Free roll nuts.
Oh, Jesus Christ. I don't need a Funko Pop of them, for Christ's sake.
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I just want to know who the character is. For fuck's sake.
Type in War Boys, Miles Max. All right, here we go. Boom.
Well, I can see where you made a mistake. I can see where you made a mistake. I'm right.
I was trying to trip you up on purpose.
No, you are. So fuck off. So I did that on purpose, but it's war boys.
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That's what I had, but I was just trying to see if you were paying attention.
I pay too much attention. You get a golden star for this podcast. Congratulations.
I'd like the film. The film pretty much opens up right away with Furiosa trying to escape.
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Yes. With the ladies.
And the war rig. In the war rig. or
a rig and I just love the colors of
this everything everything pops and I love
the flares and how the flares worn each the
gas town would be a perfect example or bullet town we don't really see bullet
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town on this one but gas town we obviously do and yeah they that's to let them
know trouble's coming we have we have run away or whatever it's just the way of signaling I
believe green means go, red means watch out.
I didn't get all the colors, but I think you can kind of get the idea of what they mean.
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Oh yeah. You get more of the idea of what the colors mean in Furiosa,
which was obviously really get to, but the first attack on it's when the bandits,
this kind of, these aren't the, it's not Citadel coming after them first.
It's the bandits who are always trying to get Get the oil from the truck And
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this whole first attack The stunt Well it's Originally it's the ones from the Citadel No it's not.
The Citadel is behind them These guys
are bandits These are just stragglers Who are trying to steal from the oil From
the rig No the problem is No that's right but they come from the side So there's
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two groups chasing them But they're not just bandits Bandits, they had a deal with No,
that's not them either. You're jumping ahead.
Well, the ones chasing at first No, they're not.
The Citadel's way behind them. The Citadel's way behind them.
But they're just, she's just driving away.
Alright? Then there's a splinter group trying to take over the oil.
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That's just a, you know, whatever, they're just a bunch of they're just a bunch of bandits, looters.
They just want the truck. They have nothing to do with the Citadel.
That's the first attack on this rig. Sorry, you're right, actually.
But at the same time... Why are you arguing with me still? Now we're going to continue this.
I'm trying to piece it together in my head because there is a lot going on despite
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there being very little dialogue and stuff. I'm just trying to piece it together in my head.
Yes, they are attacked at first by these random guys.
Sorry. You know what, Ciarán? I'm big enough to admit whenever I haven't quite
got it right. Wow. Between this and the Warrior Boys. Wow.
War Boys. War Boys. God, you're really embarrassing yourself on this podcast.
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Not at all. I was right with the War Boys. And yes, I'll admit that,
yes, because this all happens in quite quick succession where these original
bandits come and they try to attack them.
They're basically like warriors themselves.
And then it's noticed by Immortan Joe and the gang that they have basically done a runner.
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Yeah. So, because what happens, I'll clarify it because you're clearly misled
and confused. I'm not misled. No, it's okay. You're older.
So. You're older than me. I'm wiser. There's a difference. So.
No. All right. Yeah. So the bandits come and this is why her team of the war boys are helping her.
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They don't realize yet that she's leaving. She's making a run of it.
That's why they're helping her fend off these bandits. All right.
And she has taken a turn to the left off the desert road.
And she, like, says to them, she gives them some bullshit excuse that,
yeah, and they are running with it at this point.
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So this whole first attack is...
Is warranted. They're like, oh, we're doing our job. Let's protect the oil.
And it's not until they run into the Citadel teams where they start to realize,
what are you doing, Ukraine?
And then she has to take them out because they're now going to be a threat because
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they know that she's betrayed them, betrayed Morton Joe. All right, so we got Max.
God, this course is going way too long. Ah, fuck, I don't care.
It's worth it. we get to the Citadel where we see Max and he's being tattooed,
you know his blood type and stuff like that. I don't get the blood bang thing.
Are they taking his blood? Are the war boys drooling on his blood?
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Yes Yes, because he's a full life and they're half-lives Part of this new universe
in the Fury Road and Furiosa films is that due to the nuclear fallout essentially
many people aren't well, they're basically
genetically deformed you know like i'm
screw this and stuff yeah and other sort of children of
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morton joe they're what are known as half-life but
morton joe wants even in fury road
here the reason he has these as he calls them
the women breeders is because he's trying to get
a child who is a full life and not
basically a genetically mutated person like
most of his other all of his other kids are so but
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due to the nuclear fallout there are most people
certainly the ones born within it are half-lives they're
genetically messed up and basically but there are sort of full lives out there
like Furiosa who was born in the green place and also Mad Max but the war boys
are all half-lives so or half-lives so but they're basically a drugged up cult,
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you know, brainwashed cult to go out and do the dirty work for a Morton Joe,
but they need the blood of a full life, i.e.
Max, in this case, to basically keep alive longer.
So that's why he is just used as a blood bank in this chase,
this opening chase for the war boy. Okay.
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Alright, so he's pretty much like a blood transfusion piece.
Yeah. All right. Mm-hmm.
Yeah, and then once Citadel does catch up with them, obviously you got Max,
kind of a little throwback to being tied in front of the car like they did in The Road Warrior.
Yeah. And he's got that, you know, handle electric thing going for him,
which I didn't like. I thought they could have.
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I mean, I know the guy doesn't say much in the first place.
I don't know. I just thought it was kind of distracting.
No, I mean, it didn't bother me either way, you know? Not kind.
But it does show Tom Hardy can sell it better because with Tom Hardy,
you know, he's got to show his emotions through the mask and a lot of minding
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to get his point across because he can't properly speak.
And he does speak. I'll say this. He puts on that accent. It does sound like Mel Gibson.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. He does. And apparently him and Charlie's Theron did not get
on well at all when filming this.
Apparently a lot of that was down to Hardy. Well, I think all
of it was down to Hardy being a dick and showing up
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late you know purposely showing up late on days
shooting and stuff and he according to Hardy
after he said because of all this
that was going on he didn't actually know what the hell George Miller was doing
so he was confused there might have been a bit of a power play there as well
but afterwards after he's seen the finished product this film he got it he eventually
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got it and he actually apologized to Charlize Theron partly she was complete
professional throughout out.
Always there on time, never late, that sort of thing.
But to be fair to Hardy, he apologised to Miller and Charlie Sterling for being
a bit of an asshole. He's a true hero.
Yep. True hero. He's a road warrior. We don't need another hero.
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Yeah, this whole chase is, again, the Citadel. I mean, again,
we did this before on the podcast. Can't explain it. If you haven't seen it,
you got to fucking watch it.
I mean, and then I got to give a massive shout out. Brian Mays sadly passed.
So they passed the baton to this gentleman called Tom Hulkenborg.
He's known as Junkie XL. He does the score for the next two films.
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He's a DJ. He's a DJ. Yeah. Fucking amazing score.
Do you remember about, I don't know if you, well, you would have been in the States at the time,
but you remember there was an elvis song
that come out again but it was like it was number one here in
the uk it was a little less
conversation a little bit rock and roll yeah that was that guy that did it and
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it was billed as elvis versus junkie xl oh that's cool that's cool it's good
it's a cool cover oh yeah i think they did it for honeymoon in vegas yeah it's
not even a cover It's actual, but it's just- Yeah,
it's from Tweet. It's a remix. It's Tweet. Yeah, it's a remix.
Yeah. But the score is just beautiful.
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I mean, it's just intense, and it's got that theme that it's almost like a revving of an engine.
It's just, it's incredible.
Oh, it's perfect? It's so good. Not
to take away from Brian May's original stuff, but way, way to up a game.
And there's some great little stuff here. I'm not going to talk about everything
about it because it's the little things I like, like the warrior boy.
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There's one guy per guy gets speared in the chest and right through the face.
And he decides, well, I'm going to self-sacrifice myself now. I'm pretty much dead.
And obviously, he's got those poles and grenades and shit, and he jumps onto a car and it explodes.
Self-sacrifice. Yeah. You get a lot of self-sacrifices in this film.
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So I'll be saying that quite a bit. And even when you meet the women coming
up, and it's, you know, I talked about Road Warrior and how I really appreciated
the Road Warrior a lot more because it had a lot of really cool characters and you really liked them.
So when each one of them kind of got taken out You want to fuck But
you know what this does it too Quite fucking well
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if not better And you only
meet them For like a few moments But then you're
like oh man that's pretty cool That you know this is what
this character Is going to do to help out the team I would
yeah well I would say About the self sacrifice Of the
war boys it's because they are So brainwashed and
drilled up By a Morton Joe you know with the Spray
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stuff that they use on their mouths house that's that's obviously the
drugs that are taken but also they believe that even if
they do self-sacrifice they're going to valhalla you know
which is obviously bullshit that they've been told by a morton joe so they believe
that they're like it's it's you know it's like suicide bombers and stuff they
believe they're they're doing this for the greater cause and that they're going
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to heaven or a version of it so that's what the war boys think you know who
is one of the well it's the
character that has the greatest arc in this film, and it's not Mad Max, and it's not Furiosa.
It's Nux. Nux, yeah. Played by the brilliant Nicholas Holt.
Yeah. Yeah, Mad Max is Mad Max. I mean, that's just the way he's always been.
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Furiosa doesn't have one, because we already kind of know her story.
So it's Nux is the guy who kind of has a journey.
But yeah, this whole chase,
and then it ends with this gorgeous sandstorm tornadoes and fucking it's unreal
how beautiful the CGI mix with practical works and,
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you see all these carnage, all these cars being sucked up into these sandstorms,
whatever it is, sand tornadoes. Yeah. And you see the bodies falling.
It's so beautiful. It's like you should be like all this chaos is happening.
And it's beautifully done.
And the sparks of red and the sparks of orange and just these little pops and bursts.
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And the great thing is a lot of filmmakers,
filmmakers they like this quick cut cinema and it does work
in some things you especially get it in fight sequences where you
quick cut quick cut you're like what the fuck just happened there what what what every
every scene every tire every body
that's in that car is seen being chucked out
or every piece is being you see it
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and it's i i can't it's like a canvas it's
like you know painter's canvas i would say
regarding things like you know quick cuts and other films
and action scenes a lot of the time that is to cover
up um a multitude of errors but but
here you see it all and it is it's it's beautifully done so
it is with max when max wakes up after the crash and he this is where he meets
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furiosa and the girls and yes the real cargo of the of the war right yeah and
the fight sequence between him and furiosa again no quick just the way it's
it's It's almost like a ballet between these two.
And trying to get the gun and trying to get the bullets.
And then there's Nux trying to get him to get the bullets because Nux thinks
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Max is on his side. He doesn't realize what Furiosa.
They're tight, him and Nux are sort of tight to each other still as well.
Yeah, and he's still got the mask, which can be a dismay.
So it's this dance that they have and then they quickly resolve what's going
on that, you know, yada, yada, yada.
And I do like the fact he takes the truck And he goes, he, and Fiora also tells
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the girls, girls grab everything you can and just run.
And because she put a fail safe on the truck where it shuts down. Yeah. But.
Zoe Kravitz playing one of the women as well, one of the breeders and also see
the one with the red hair, just going back to. Yeah.
Yeah. I know who it is. Elvis's granddaughter. Yeah. Rachel, no.
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Oh, my. Lisa Marie Presley's daughter. Is she Grookie or Grookie?
Oh, no, she's one of the other ones.
She's like the one who talks about, you know, nothing but a smug head, you know.
But the one with the red hair is Elvis's granddaughter, the daughter of Lisa
Marie Presley. No, that I'm right.
That's Kyle. It's Riley Kroege or something like that.
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Right. Well, yes, he's very tall. Riley Keogh.
Well, they're all tall. Riley, Riley, Riley Keogh, I think's her name.
But that's, that's the one I'm talking about.
Are you talking about the one with the blonde hair? The red hair.
The red haired one. Yeah, that's who I'm talking about. And Zoe Kravitz there as well. Yeah, so.
I mean, they don't really add. I mean, yeah. I just think they are stunningly
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beautiful. I mean, they're obviously models.
It's just a great sort of counterpart to all the absolute chaos and the craziness
of the rest of the wasteland.
And they're even dressed in white Like angelic And you know Overall this is
just Gorgeous just to look at From a visual point of view In every respect,
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This is very much A feminist film But it's not like.
It's done In a sort of Mature way And a very well told way You know You know,
which I have no issues with.
So when they get to the cannons, the canyons, sorry. And this is where she had
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to deal with the motorbike gang.
And they brought this little extra tank of gas, this little bubble of gas.
Yeah. On the side that they're carrying along with them. They're going to give
them that and you leave us alone.
And it's great. I was a little confused where, well, they already give them the gas.
So I don't. And she makes the comment, Max, you can't be seen because they'll think this is a trap.
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They only expect me to be here, so I need you to stay low.
So why did they start attacking them? Because they were going to give them the gas.
Because Furiosa lied. The cargo on the truck wasn't the petroleum,
the gasoline, as they call it. It was the girls.
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Yeah, but no, but they brought, she, no, she got the tanker.
Behind that tanker, there is another tanker.
Yes. That was a tanker she was going to give them for the free pass.
So why did they attack? I don't know.
Because she betrays him and doesn't give them what she was meant to?
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Which was the gas, which he was. She got out of their truck and she was going
to give it to him. All of a sudden they start shooting.
Did I miss something? Did they catch Max or something? Maybe that's what it was.
Possibly. But as far as I was concerned, she doubled back on her deal with them,
which was very possibly for, well, they supplied her with gasoline.
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It was for some sort of cargo.
I'm not too sure. but she had just basically lied to them to get a free pass,
for her real plan, which was for her and the breeders, the girls, to escape.
We're just going in circles. The reason they attack is because they know that
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she's basically betrayed them.
I don't know how she's betrayed them. She's given them the oil. I don't get that.
It is explained in the film. I have to watch it again. I must have missed the
line, because then she goes, Max, she goes, Max, run.
And then when he knew, she told him how to start the car, let's start the truck real quick.
And so they must have saw one of the girls or something and the band is panicked.
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And that's what happened. It's one thing I can think of because she was going to give them the oil.
But okay. But I think possibly they need the gasoline.
I think she wants to hold on to the gasoline to make it to the green place.
That's where they're heading to. They're trying to find it. I know that,
but they have that extra, you're not, you're going, you're not listening to
what I'm saying. You're going in circles.
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They have the oil separated to give to them. They've been carrying it.
It's a little, it's a little round tank.
So that was for them. She was going out to give that to them.
I'm going to have to double check it. There's definitely a line.
There's got to be a line that we missed.
There is, there is. Furious explains it, but she, let's just say.
No, she says, if they see you, Max, it's over. Yeah. Because they'll know something's up.
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So I didn't catch them glimpsing him. So I don't know what I missed.
Let's move on. I'm sure people, if you know what it is, give us a shout.
Let us know. Let us know. Yeah, and I might hit the way I read it,
was basically she had in some way betrayed them, and that's why they attack.
This, another chase scene was the bike, the bicycles.
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And I love the, just the, whoever comes up with these clever little escapisms,
like when they set the front of the truck on fire.
And so what they do is Max lowers the hydraulics, however it works,
and the cow catcher in front of the truck scoops up all the sand and the sand puts out the fire.
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Stuff like that. And it's, it's, it's, and not only was he blue if he shot, it's innovative.
It's clever oh totally and apparently and
very technically yeah exactly you know exactly yeah but
apparently this film was storyboarded before anything else
which makes sense because this is such a
visual film you add so much
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craziness and stunts and like proper over-the-topness that
makes sense to have it storyboarded before anything else we're talking about
nox and his little arc here you can't feel sorry for nox just because he's been
brainwashed like you said and
And there's a part where he finally comes one-to-one with Joe and he goes,
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you get on board that. He goes, I know how to get onto the truck.
And he goes, you do that, you'll be in Valhalla, you know, with me.
And, but the minute he gets on top of the truck, he trips up on his chain.
It gets stuck. And then you can hear Joe going, idiot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. Yeah. so this is
when basically joe abandons him and he then
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becomes well we'll get to it soon
enough where he then sides with the girls
and yeah he finds a lot of red flags and he
starts wising up a bit but well this is this is
about his journey from being in a religious cult to getting out of it and fighting
for the the greater good and stay it you know yeah pretty much and hope to hope
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is brilliant actor anyway so he sort of perfect yeah he's a good actor he's good actor.
I know, I know, but he's not Laurence Olivier here or Jimmy Stewart.
I didn't say he was, but he can hold... He brings humanity to this role. Yeah, I know, he is.
I like Nicholas Holt. Even when I saw him when he was a chubby little kid and
about a boy, I really enjoyed.
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I've never seen that, and I don't want to see it. Why?
Because it's Hugh Grant in a romantic comedy. So it's Hugh Grant.
He's fucking awesome. You know what? You need to open your mind,
you sick freak. That's it. I'm saying it right now.
If it's not 18 or X, it sucks.
Well, you know I have my things that I like Yeah, yeah, you're warmly demented
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If you want to watch Hugh Grant doing his floppy herd Yeah, yes,
About a Boy is a fucking great film I haven't seen it to be fair Tony Collette
is so good in it Oh, he didn't know that, you hate her?
You always say, oh, well she must be a shitty actor because she's in About a Boy I was winding you up,
I haven't seen About a Boy so I can't comment on it hateful bastard
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do you ever like sit down and go you know what god god
i've just had a rough day and i just want to put a smile on my face i'm
gonna watch you know i'm gonna watch like about a boy or even pretty woman so
i'm just a just a let me finish please just just to brighten my day because
it's been a rough one no you go home and go god i've had a rough day god i'm
gonna put in i'm gonna put in teenage tit freaks and fucking i spit on your
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grave yeah that cheers me up no no No,
no, when I've had a hard day and
I want to chill out and relax and watch something nice and pleasant to me,
I'll just dig out Hellraiser or The Evil Dead. You know what I mean?
Something nice and some good family sort of wholesome viewing. Sick bastard.
What do you watch? Squirtle Cowboy? There's a shot I really like,
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and it kind of humbles Max a bit.
And then it takes it away from Max real quickly.
And it's when the pregnant girl is on the side of the – and they have that famous
– you're in the canyons, and they got this big rock sticking out,
and she's about to be hit by it.
And she ducks, but you think she got hit.
And then Max sees that she made it, and Max gives her a smile and then a thumbs up.
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And then seconds later she gets shot and
she she loses her balance and gets run over by a car and
she's pregnant by the way and although it's it's
tough and then max quick little quirk smile door
like way to go girl is taken away
from him just like that it's it's a really it's a
quick it's a quick second but tom hardy
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sells it really well yeah and it's a totally emotionally powerful
scene you know in terms of the
emotion whereas before it's just like all these crazy stunts which
are great but not only that because she is
pregnant with a morton joe's child and enrages a
morton joe and you see and you see the grief i like
a warped grief on his face and that's when he gives that famous
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you know that you know like scream yeah
because she is because she's carrying his his child and the
organic mechanic has confirmed that the
child will be a full life
as opposed to a half-life you know yeah so he's even more in grief you know
yeah because and then yeah and then and then rictus erectus he then says uh
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i had a little brother and i'm laughing but but even rictus erectus it's it's
a very emotionally powerful scene all around for both the good Well.
Then at the same time, you've got the flip side. You've got the good guys who's...
Furiosa and, and she wants to go back and Max says, don't do it.
No point. Don't go back for her. She's dead.
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And then she keeps yelling at him. Did you see her? And he just says,
I saw her go under the wheels.
That's all he has to say. I saw her go under the wheels. We need to move on.
And then Furiosa believes him and goes, we have to move on girls.
We can't go back. There's no point.
And again, Charlie Sterling totally sells that. You just see it in her eyes, you know.
She's tearing up and, and Max just has
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to kind of keep and tom hardy does exactly what mad max
does he doesn't lose his temper he doesn't yell at
her about it he just says i saw her go on her and that
as yeah and then playing his day he just says it quietly because he didn't want
to you know you know give him a given he just didn't want to give them a descript
of what he just saw well not only that it's max himself has seen so much death
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and horrors stuff like that it's maybe not water of a duck's back to him but
he's seen at all before, probably worse.
And Nux finds out, you see a clip glimpse of when Joe sees Mad Max behind the
wheel and the mechanic and all see Mad Max behind the wheel at this point.
Nux now know that they know Mad Max was his blood bag, they called him.
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Yes. And he's, it's over for him.
So he pretty much has to choose this side. Not that he really wants to at this
point yet, but he's got to take, he's got to be a partner and now with Max because
his partnership with Joe is gone.
Yeah, but it's not until later on down the line, especially when he has the
sort of relationship where there's a romantic tension between him and Elvis' granddaughter.
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Elvis' granddaughter? Yeah, well, that's who it is. It's not until later on
down the line that he realizes he's chosen the right side, and then he eventually
makes the ultimate sacrifice, not to get to Valhalla because he knows that's all bullshit,
but he does it for the greater good for them. brilliant character arc,
This whole sequence is beautifully shot and it's the sniper sequence, which I love.
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This is to me the best visually stunning and this whole film is visually stunning.
But all it is, is it's like this blue fog, like haze and it's obviously almost,
it's almost like a swampland, which we find out sadly is the paradise they were
trying to get to, but they don't realize yet.
We'll meet this place in Furiosa. but and
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before it became this shithole and
there's such intensity of them trying to get this truck out and
knox decides to jump on their wagon at this point going guys i can drive this
truck i'm among the mechanics let me get you out of this and they have a sniper
they're being snipered by this brilliant marksman and he can see it from the
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far far distance and they try to i love when
And Max, he's got two more shots. And Furiosa's going, you got two more shots.
And he goes, he pauses and he goes, you do it. Because he doesn't have the confidence
that he can make the shot.
And it's just little things like that I love in this sequence.
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And she puts obviously the gun on his shoulder as she's trying to take the shot.
And she takes out his eyes, the gunman's eyes.
That's right, she blinds him. Blinds him. But he's still coming.
And they're just rapidly firing at everything now.
So and then And he's giving a crazy speech as well Yeah he's just rambling,
Something Tollcutter would do Yeah 100% yeah and totally perfect For the wasteland So Max just goes,
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I'll be back and he leaves And he takes something with him,
Dynamite or something And then moments pass And all you hear is a faint explosion
in the background And he comes running back He's covering blood and one of the
girls says Oh my god you're bleeding And Fury also knows right away that's not his blood.
Yeah. Just great. Didn't see anything. All you heard was the explosion. Yep, you didn't have to.
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That's all you needed. And he comes back looking like he's just slaughtered 20 people.
Again, it's back to, as we talked about in the Road Warrior Mad Max 2,
it's back to amazing show don't tell.
Not even, let's say, we're just being shown the aftermath.
It's just brilliant, brilliant visual storytelling by Miller,
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you know, who really knows his shit in terms of visual storytelling.
Yeah, it's fucking master class.
I mean, this guy's pretty much written his, what he did was pretty much create
his own graphic novel, comic book wise.
And then he's the one who, you know, from paper to page, I mean, from paper to screen.
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Yeah. So we get, we finally go to the sand dunes and we meet the women.
These are women that she grew up with. Now, do you do Cats, do you do Cats Valkyrie was in this?
Yes, it did. That's her, that's her sister that we meet in the beginning of
Furiosa, which we'll talk about.
That's right, yep. And she goes, how long has it been? She goes 7,000 days.
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Yeah. And then she goes, what about mom? She died on the third day.
Yeah. Because I guess I read up on this. He actually wrote Furiosa before this.
Yeah. Probably when he was writing this, he wrote a backstory.
Yeah. Yeah. For her. Yeah.
I love the old woman in this. Oh, that's what I'm betting. That's what I was
talking about with all these characters of self-sacrificing and all,
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you meet these older women and these women have got balls, man.
They're just, they don't give a shit. They're going to fucking,
like the poor woman, the older one, I love the pole jumpers.
They're called pole cats. I love the pole cats. Yeah.
And she takes one of them out, but she gets stabbed in the meantime and she's
dying. Yeah, she's in shock as well.
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She knows she's dying. Yeah. But she's not letting anyone, she won't let anyone
know because there'll be a distraction to what's happening.
I love the scene where they're all sort of, we're sort of getting their breath
as the audience, but they're talking about what we'll do.
It goes, well, there is no green place. You know what I mean?
It goes, well, we'll have to get back, you know?
And it's, you know, and then they're talking to Max and Max decides that he's
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going to stick with them and stuff. He goes, we'll have to get back.
And, you know, he tells him how to do it. I go, I thought you went crazy anymore.
Because Max has went through this journey where him and Furiosa,
and Furiosa as well, are now, have become you know, they now trust each other type of thing.
Yeah, so they have to go back. I watched this in the cinema.
When this was first released, I watched this twice in the cinema.
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First time was with a friend. The second time was I brought my ma because it
was so good. And my ma was just gobsmacked at how all this insane stuff going on.
And then eventually they get to the other side, they bump into all these old
women and decide, yeah, after all the hell we've been through,
we're going to go back again.
Well, he makes a good argument. He tells them.
Oh, he's right. He goes, listen, you can sit there and go 1,700
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miles for an oasis that's not going to be there he goes
i've seen this before and he's right i've
seen this before so our best bet is
now that the citadel is emptied with all the baddies because
they're coming after us we bust through these guys we can take over the citadel
and he's right it's it could be a one-way ticket but it's the best way around
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this yep the chances are they're gonna die either way so but their best option
and he's right don't forget max is an ex-cop so you know,
he's sort of, he's his head screwed on in many ways,
despite his, you know, literally being Mad Max.
So, yeah, it's the right decision. Plus, it gives us one hell of a cool finale.
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Jesus, that whole sequence where Max has to run to the back of the truck,
cut down the harpoons that are holding back the truck.
He then gets sucked by a pole cat.
And then he's hanging by the side of the car, and Furiosa gets stabbed,
and she's barely hanging on to him.
Then Nux, I believe. Her lungs are collapsing. And then Nux fucking has to fucking flip him around to Mr.
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No-No. It's his car. He uses him as a human shield. And then Mr.
No-No gets out of it. I mean, it's just, and again, but every shot, every shot is in chaos.
Every shot, the way it's shot, it's so smoothly done, but it's chaos.
It's fucking, it's just incredible. Yeah. Incredible.
Plus, on top of all this, he has to fight hand-to-hand with Erectus,
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you know? yeah exactly but the great thing about that fight sequence the girls help him.
Yeah, they all help each other. They all help each other. There's nobody hiding.
All Zoe Kravitz gets, but then she ends up helping out.
And it's just this gorgeous ballet. That's all I can call it.
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You know what this is? You don't know.
Well, I would call it something maybe less grand, but I mean the exact same
thing. It's basically big budget A-team.
And trust me, I mean that in a nice, complimentary way. Oh, come on. I wouldn't say that.
No, no. No, this is a compliment. Is it? I love the EA team.
I mean... 100% it is. I love the EA team and how they banded together with these people in need.
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And bear with me, they banded together with these people in need to help them
out for the greater cause and they made sacrifices and stuff.
So I mean this 100, 1 million percent as a compliment, but this is just done
in a more professional way, obviously, and with a much bigger budget.
My other thing is when they're fighting and the Doof Warrior is playing his
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guitar and he goes, and the guy who played him says, yeah, that I,
I, I just had a, I strum it and the fire would come out.
He goes, but no, whatever's going around him, he's still fucking playing that
guitar. That bastard playing his heart out.
And I love how Furiosa just rips the mask off. And if you pause it,
you can see the skeletal of the jaw.
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Those jaws get ripped off. Yeah, pretty much. But it's done so fast.
Like I mentioned before, with his style, and we'll definitely mention Furiosa,
his stuff seems like it's violent, but there's very little blood in these films.
It's besides little wounds and stuff like that. And yes, you get people thrown
out of trucks and stuff. Put them away, you know?
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And so it's it's not it's not gratuitous it's not gratuitous in any way it could
come off uncomfortable but it's not gratuitous it's nothing like it's handled
correctly by somebody who knows what they're doing yeah i.e george miller so
and you know and then of course in mac style.
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Once furiosa gets there and she's going on
the elevator she looks down at him and he disappears into the crowd
and of course but but before that
nox gives whenever he makes a self-sacrifice for
them to get to the citadel you know by christian the
the war rake he a brilliant touch again where you know the way the war boys
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their chant is witness me his final words are witness witness me but it's it's
a completely different context where he is doing it not to get the of Valhalla
for Immortan Joe on the walk with Immortan Joe,
he's doing it for his humanity he's restored the humanity,
and if you know this as well about Nox, see as this film progresses,
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his white warboy paint comes off him more and more, and you see more of,
you know, his like real person, it's basically symbolic for his return to humanity,
even though he's got a couple of wee fucking like, hard to get ahead in advertising
freak things, hanging off you know, those boys that he's given names to.
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But yeah. There you go. Freerode, guys.
Fucking complete opposite of that train wreck. We just talked about Mad Max
beyond the Thunderdome.
I said before, I'll say it. One of the greatest films of the 21st century so
far. Yeah, I'll say it again. It's a masterpiece.
Very few masterpieces out there. Sasha Gredemsen, Die Hard, Psycho,
Jaws, It's a Wonderful Life, Bridge on the River Kwai, and Mad Max Freerode is going to be.
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It's just incredible. It is just master class.
And I'm looking forward to talking Furiosa next because I just watched them
back to back and it's just an adrenaline rush.
And then you get, but I'll discuss that more when we talk Furiosa of how I felt
at the very end of Furiosa.
But wow. I hope because the box office, unfortunately the box office,
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which I don't, we'll talk about it in a minute here, Furiosa but I'm hoping
that it finds its niche you know on sales and 4k and so forth and they get that
little resurgence so Miller can complete I think there's a trilogy here and
it's got to be with Hardy and I'd love to see.
Charlize Theron come back as Furiosa it'd be really nice to see that.
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The one in the pipeline is going to be called Mad Max The Wasteland which was
always in the pipeline since this one But the problem is it's now potentially
up in the air because of the poor box office performance of Furiosa.
Yeah. But we'll talk about that when we talk Furiosa.
Listen, guys, thanks for this. We've been a little longer one.
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Again, I do apologize for getting it out late.
And we got a busy time coming up. We got both. We got the wrap up the Mad Max
Furiosa. We got the two Beetlejuices coming out.
And then we hit Horror Month. month, we've got most of the titles picked,
but as you probably already know, it's going to be Smile 2.
Oh God, we got to revisit Smile.
(51:11):
Me and Trevor hated it, but it'd be interesting to see if they fixed what we
hated about it. So we'll be doing that one.
Salem's Lot, finally, the reboot is getting released on digital demand, October 5th.
And we're also to be doing a great special with screenwriter Pete Atkins in
regards to one of my favorite Guilty Pleasures, Whismaster.
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He'll be live while we're doing that review.
So it'll be kind of fun to see now from page to screen.
And then those ones will be recorded in October.
And then we're also going to be doing Founder's Day, a little slasher film that
I thought was quite fun in the vein of movies like Scream.
We're also going to be doing the Amityville Horror as we need to get back to our 70s classics.
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And I think that's all we got right now. Now, do you got anything you want to add?
No, that's about it from me. Yeah. Yeah. Until next time, folks,
when we talk Furiosa. Here we are.
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Music.
Music.
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Turn the rig around. Go back for her. No.
Tell him to turn the rig around. Did you see it? She went under the wheels.
Did you see it? She went under the wheels.
We keep moving. No. We keep moving. Nobody's talking about.
All right, guys, we're back with our Mad Max retrospective with Fury Road.
(00:39):
That's right. I believe this is 35 years later Since We had the dreadful,
Dreadful dreadful And I don't know if I said dreadful enough Mad Max Beyond
the Thunder Well your math as you would say is dreadful Because it's actually
30 years exactly 30 years,
Since I added 5 more years,
(01:01):
Just because Mad Max Beyond Thunder don't add 5 years onto our lives when watching
it Yes there you go that's perfect There you go Now, you know,
but George Miller got on him, went on to do other things.
Lorenzo's loyal, I think he did, which was well-received. Obviously,
Oscar nominated for Babe, Pig in the City, then Babe 2.
(01:21):
No, it was Babe, then Babe, Pig in the City.
Then he did Happy Feet. Kind of a plea off course to what you were used to seeing
George Miller do. Children's films, basically.
Yeah, I mean, he got on him. That's cool.
And so, and really, actually very well-received. I'm glad you did that.
I'd like to see a director branch out.
(01:41):
And so when he announced he's coming back to the Mad Max franchise,
a little concerned because we all know how I feel about Mad Max 3.
I felt he's kind of a cop-out and kind of sold himself out, unfortunately.
But seeing Fury Road, this man is just a visionary. I mean, Jesus.
(02:02):
I watched this again, and I watched this in Furiosa back-to-back.
And they're just, they're beautifully executed stories.
And I had a big thing for Furiosa and I watched it, and I've watched like four or five times.
And I'm a little more removed from it as much as I really liked it when I first saw it.
(02:28):
But it's got some wonderful elements. But I think you need to watch Fury Road
and then Furiosa back-to-back to really get the rush that I just experienced.
I mean, I've watched Fury Road quite a few times myself as well.
But I hadn't watched it in a couple of years whenever I went to see Furiosa for the first time.
(02:49):
And I was thinking to myself, self i think in certain ways furiosa
this is at the time after seeing furiosa i felt
that possibly furiosa was better and i was
still thinking in some aspects like characterization and story
it's it slightly shades it with fury road however
then i re-watched fury road for this
podcast that we're doing now and it's incredible and it's definitely yeah overall
(03:14):
better yeah i mean i i will say this I did say that I still think The Road Warrior
is the better of all the films of the Mad Maxes.
And after watching Fury Road again, I'm going to stick with what I said.
And I actually think Mad Max fans would agree with us that Road Warrior,
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because it's a little more gritty and grounded, where this is just a fucking rock opera.
And I haven't watched it in a couple of years, but let's just jump into it and talk.
Well, doing my homework for the podcast as well, aside from,
you know, watching it again,
I know that a lot of other big name directors were, you know,
(03:58):
basically whenever they met George Miller,
they were basically gobsmacked how on a technical level he filmed it without
multiple people dying. It's unreal. It is.
This is, and I said once before, this is a masterpiece in filmmaking. It is five out of five.
(04:21):
Nothing can touch this film. Nothing. I know it sounds weird,
but I still think World War is a better film and World War isn't a masterpiece,
but I think that's why it's better.
I think it's got its flaws because I like the independent rawness where this
one has got a big studio backing and that's fucking great.
If you want a studio backing and you give us this fucking film, work away, please do.
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80% practical, 80%. Yeah.
And he says the only. According to, well, according to some reports I've read,
90%. Well, the sandstorm and the, you can see a little bit, but when you do
CGI with practical, this is how you fucking do it.
And when I watched Fury Road of Furiosa, I can see Furiosa taking a little too
(05:08):
much of the CGI but we'll jump.
Yes there's a particular scene in Furiosa which we'll get to on that podcast.
We'll jump into that, we'll jump into it.
Let's jump in to Fury Road and just have a good time and make some jokes and
just enjoy this fucking visual treat.
This is spectacle. It's unreal.
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I just you get chills watching it. It's just fucking. I guess that's the end of our podcast.
Yeah, but this is basically the road warrior with a shit load of the budget
thrown at it. Yeah, but done right.
That's what I'm saying. If you're going to do it and you're going to do big studio backing, wow.
(05:52):
And the great thing about Warner Brothers backing this up, they kind of left
him alone because some of the shit this guy gets away with just... Okay.
Well, it goes back to even what we were talking about in the original Mad Max.
And even though it's big budget and there's like millions of dollars thrown
at it, it still feels in a way like guerrilla film. It does,
(06:14):
like they left him alone. Is it seeing? Here you go. Do your thing.
We're turning a blind eye.
Yeah. All right, guys, we're going to jump into this one.
So, again, it wouldn't be a Max film without our boy Max and the rest of this wonderful cast.
Furiosa, Knox, Immortan Joe, Slit, Rictus Rectus, Toad the Knowing,
(06:37):
the Dag, Cheeto the Fragile, the Peep Leader, the Bullet Farmer,
And of course, my favorite guitar player of all time The Doof Warrior The Doof Warrior,
yep One of my favorite A couple of them actually pop up again In Furiosa Yes, Rictus and Rectus Yeah,
they all Kind of come back, and Morton Joe,
(06:59):
And the guy, the organic Mechanic Yeah, you see, Wade switches teams But we'll
jump into that one Yes, we'll find out how, yeah,
Yeah, I mean, the opening scene alone is, it's just, it's so good.
It's just one big, I don't know.
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So in the beginning here, you know when you're seeing Max?
Yes. And he's taking a whiz. Yeah. I love the little scene, the little gecko,
whatever the fucking thing is.
He eats it. And he eats it. He doesn't even really touch it.
He just kind of grabbles it into his mouth.
And and they when we're introduced to him he turns to the
camera we can see him with the tail and it's still moving and shit just eats
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it raw and alive and he's also i believe before he does that i think that he's
like being eaten dog food again which again is a big tip of the hat he's driving
the interceptor so yeah this is we've discussed this outside of this podcast,
this is not a direct sequel to the original trilogy this is a reboot and a new
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universe Miller's basically admitted it.
I don't think he has admitted it. I think you're wrong.
I don't think it is. No, I've read up on it. I don't care. Well,
you've got to realize, some of these reviews, until George Miller gets on and
says no, because he still has the leg wound, he still has the same leg brace.
You didn't notice that, did you? Well, this is George Miller being quoted hard, true or not, it is.
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I probably think too much about these things, but I was trying to piece everything
together in terms of the overall story.
If it is a direct sequel, if it is, it would have to be set before the Road
Warrior because he still has the Interceptor.
And so yes it doesn't really add
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up and it does appear to be the things like
you know the knee brace and stuff like that that are
they're basically more like references
to the original trilogy now i
would say i was wrong about something you know the way he has the flashbacks to
like a young girl being sort of
killed and stuff apparently i thought well in
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this one he has a daughter but in the original trilogy he has a son
but apparently that's a completely different character apparently this
was followed up in official comic books or
graphic novels related to fury road apparently these
nightmares that he's having are a young woman and her daughter who he tried
to see it but couldn't but weren't related to him okay i didn't take it like
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we mentioned before mad max are one-off films they all are they don't really
bleed onto each other these next two do a little bit,
well the original three definitely bleed into each other you know they follow
one especially the first two,
nah you can watch them separate I mentioned that before oh yeah definitely watch
them separate you can watch them separate but you don't need to watch World
Warrior to know who Mad Max is,
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yes I know that but for someone like me who's pedantic and thinks about these
types of things way too much you do and you're losing our listening audience
now because of it thank you.
And also i'm with a new actor playing max due
to you know mel gibson for several reasons
not coming back to the role and you
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know what i like i really like tom hardy and i
really like him in this but to me mel is
max and i would love to see mel while george miller and mel gibson are still
with us i would love to see them get together for another mad max film that
won't happen now you've planted a seed of hardy sadly we'll get into furiosa
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what happened the box office numbers i don't think we'll ever get one now we
might no we'll probably won't but we'll see.
I don't know, it'd be kind of cool to have like a crossover,
have even Mel come back as the bad guy or something, and have Tom Hardy come back as Max.
That'd be kind of like a passion, a true passion of the torch,
I think is what's owed them. I do think Mel Gibson's owed that.
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Yeah, well, they did something similar with Immortan Joe in that they brought
the toe cutter back to play him,
you know, obviously playing a different character. That's not the same.
I mean, it's not, I'm just, yeah, but that's, nobody really,
really i mean yeah it's cool it's cool that he's back
but it's not the same as mel gibson passing
the torch tom hardy you know yeah that's a
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mean that should be done so i
don't know if that's studio involvement but it can't be warner brothers fault
because warner brothers backs up he they produce a lot of mel gibson's directing
stuff so well i do know that mel gibson and george miller are still on very
good terms and in fact they were sitting beside each other at the premiere year of this film,
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whenever it was first released, nine years ago. There you go.
And maybe he did talk to him and say, do you want to do it? And you're like,
ah, fuck, I don't know. Yeah. You just never know. You never know what conversations
happen trying to close doors.
All right, guys, let's just jump into this. We're kind of going ranting there.
I apologize for Trevor's rant. That's not a rant.
I thought it was. Well, yeah. Yes.
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You haven't seen me rant yet. So you pretty much get Max being chased And then
he's ambushed and taken down pretty quickly in his little cool car,
which we see get destroyed in again by the, uh, the synodals.
Yeah. The war boys, the warrior boys, war boys, the warrior boys,
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the war boys, just like W A R no, they're not.
Nope. Just war boys. It's not warrior boys. It's war boys, war boys.
Promise you. I'm looking this up right now, everyone. How can I make you look
bad? Yeah. Free roll nuts.
Oh, Jesus Christ. I don't need a Funko Pop of them, for Christ's sake.
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I just want to know who the character is. For fuck's sake.
Type in War Boys, Miles Max. All right, here we go. Boom.
Well, I can see where you made a mistake. I can see where you made a mistake. I'm right.
I was trying to trip you up on purpose.
No, you are. So fuck off. So I did that on purpose, but it's war boys.
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That's what I had, but I was just trying to see if you were paying attention.
I pay too much attention. You get a golden star for this podcast. Congratulations.
I'd like the film. The film pretty much opens up right away with Furiosa trying to escape.
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Yes. With the ladies.
And the war rig. In the war rig. or
a rig and I just love the colors of
this everything everything pops and I love
the flares and how the flares worn each the
gas town would be a perfect example or bullet town we don't really see bullet
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town on this one but gas town we obviously do and yeah they that's to let them
know trouble's coming we have we have run away or whatever it's just the way of signaling I
believe green means go, red means watch out.
I didn't get all the colors, but I think you can kind of get the idea of what they mean.
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Oh yeah. You get more of the idea of what the colors mean in Furiosa,
which was obviously really get to, but the first attack on it's when the bandits,
this kind of, these aren't the, it's not Citadel coming after them first.
It's the bandits who are always trying to get Get the oil from the truck And
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this whole first attack The stunt Well it's Originally it's the ones from the Citadel No it's not.
The Citadel is behind them These guys
are bandits These are just stragglers Who are trying to steal from the oil From
the rig No the problem is No that's right but they come from the side So there's
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two groups chasing them But they're not just bandits Bandits, they had a deal with No,
that's not them either. You're jumping ahead.
Well, the ones chasing at first No, they're not.
The Citadel's way behind them. The Citadel's way behind them.
But they're just, she's just driving away.
Alright? Then there's a splinter group trying to take over the oil.
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That's just a, you know, whatever, they're just a bunch of they're just a bunch of bandits, looters.
They just want the truck. They have nothing to do with the Citadel.
That's the first attack on this rig. Sorry, you're right, actually.
But at the same time... Why are you arguing with me still? Now we're going to continue this.
I'm trying to piece it together in my head because there is a lot going on despite
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there being very little dialogue and stuff. I'm just trying to piece it together in my head.
Yes, they are attacked at first by these random guys.
Sorry. You know what, Ciarán? I'm big enough to admit whenever I haven't quite
got it right. Wow. Between this and the Warrior Boys. Wow.
War Boys. War Boys. God, you're really embarrassing yourself on this podcast.
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Not at all. I was right with the War Boys. And yes, I'll admit that,
yes, because this all happens in quite quick succession where these original
bandits come and they try to attack them.
They're basically like warriors themselves.
And then it's noticed by Immortan Joe and the gang that they have basically done a runner.
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Yeah. So, because what happens, I'll clarify it because you're clearly misled
and confused. I'm not misled. No, it's okay. You're older.
So. You're older than me. I'm wiser. There's a difference. So.
No. All right. Yeah. So the bandits come and this is why her team of the war boys are helping her.
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They don't realize yet that she's leaving. She's making a run of it.
That's why they're helping her fend off these bandits. All right.
And she has taken a turn to the left off the desert road.
And she, like, says to them, she gives them some bullshit excuse that,
yeah, and they are running with it at this point.
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So this whole first attack is...
Is warranted. They're like, oh, we're doing our job. Let's protect the oil.
And it's not until they run into the Citadel teams where they start to realize,
what are you doing, Ukraine?
And then she has to take them out because they're now going to be a threat because
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they know that she's betrayed them, betrayed Morton Joe. All right, so we got Max.
God, this course is going way too long. Ah, fuck, I don't care.
It's worth it. we get to the Citadel where we see Max and he's being tattooed,
you know his blood type and stuff like that. I don't get the blood bang thing.
Are they taking his blood? Are the war boys drooling on his blood?
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Yes Yes, because he's a full life and they're half-lives Part of this new universe
in the Fury Road and Furiosa films is that due to the nuclear fallout essentially
many people aren't well, they're basically
genetically deformed you know like i'm
screw this and stuff yeah and other sort of children of
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morton joe they're what are known as half-life but
morton joe wants even in fury road
here the reason he has these as he calls them
the women breeders is because he's trying to get
a child who is a full life and not
basically a genetically mutated person like
most of his other all of his other kids are so but
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due to the nuclear fallout there are most people
certainly the ones born within it are half-lives they're
genetically messed up and basically but there are sort of full lives out there
like Furiosa who was born in the green place and also Mad Max but the war boys
are all half-lives so or half-lives so but they're basically a drugged up cult,
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you know, brainwashed cult to go out and do the dirty work for a Morton Joe,
but they need the blood of a full life, i.e.
Max, in this case, to basically keep alive longer.
So that's why he is just used as a blood bank in this chase,
this opening chase for the war boy. Okay.
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Alright, so he's pretty much like a blood transfusion piece.
Yeah. All right. Mm-hmm.
Yeah, and then once Citadel does catch up with them, obviously you got Max,
kind of a little throwback to being tied in front of the car like they did in The Road Warrior.
Yeah. And he's got that, you know, handle electric thing going for him,
which I didn't like. I thought they could have.
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I mean, I know the guy doesn't say much in the first place.
I don't know. I just thought it was kind of distracting.
No, I mean, it didn't bother me either way, you know? Not kind.
But it does show Tom Hardy can sell it better because with Tom Hardy,
you know, he's got to show his emotions through the mask and a lot of minding
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to get his point across because he can't properly speak.
And he does speak. I'll say this. He puts on that accent. It does sound like Mel Gibson.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. He does. And apparently him and Charlie's Theron did not get
on well at all when filming this.
Apparently a lot of that was down to Hardy. Well, I think all
of it was down to Hardy being a dick and showing up
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late you know purposely showing up late on days
shooting and stuff and he according to Hardy
after he said because of all this
that was going on he didn't actually know what the hell George Miller was doing
so he was confused there might have been a bit of a power play there as well
but afterwards after he's seen the finished product this film he got it he eventually
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got it and he actually apologized to Charlize Theron partly she was complete
professional throughout out.
Always there on time, never late, that sort of thing.
But to be fair to Hardy, he apologised to Miller and Charlie Sterling for being
a bit of an asshole. He's a true hero.
Yep. True hero. He's a road warrior. We don't need another hero.
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Yeah, this whole chase is, again, the Citadel. I mean, again,
we did this before on the podcast. Can't explain it. If you haven't seen it,
you got to fucking watch it.
I mean, and then I got to give a massive shout out. Brian Mays sadly passed.
So they passed the baton to this gentleman called Tom Hulkenborg.
He's known as Junkie XL. He does the score for the next two films.
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He's a DJ. He's a DJ. Yeah. Fucking amazing score.
Do you remember about, I don't know if you, well, you would have been in the States at the time,
but you remember there was an elvis song
that come out again but it was like it was number one here in
the uk it was a little less
conversation a little bit rock and roll yeah that was that guy that did it and
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it was billed as elvis versus junkie xl oh that's cool that's cool it's good
it's a cool cover oh yeah i think they did it for honeymoon in vegas yeah it's
not even a cover It's actual, but it's just- Yeah,
it's from Tweet. It's a remix. It's Tweet. Yeah, it's a remix.
Yeah. But the score is just beautiful.
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I mean, it's just intense, and it's got that theme that it's almost like a revving of an engine.
It's just, it's incredible.
Oh, it's perfect? It's so good. Not
to take away from Brian May's original stuff, but way, way to up a game.
And there's some great little stuff here. I'm not going to talk about everything
about it because it's the little things I like, like the warrior boy.
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There's one guy per guy gets speared in the chest and right through the face.
And he decides, well, I'm going to self-sacrifice myself now. I'm pretty much dead.
And obviously, he's got those poles and grenades and shit, and he jumps onto a car and it explodes.
Self-sacrifice. Yeah. You get a lot of self-sacrifices in this film.
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So I'll be saying that quite a bit. And even when you meet the women coming
up, and it's, you know, I talked about Road Warrior and how I really appreciated
the Road Warrior a lot more because it had a lot of really cool characters and you really liked them.
So when each one of them kind of got taken out You want to fuck But
you know what this does it too Quite fucking well
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if not better And you only
meet them For like a few moments But then you're
like oh man that's pretty cool That you know this is what
this character Is going to do to help out the team I would
yeah well I would say About the self sacrifice Of the
war boys it's because they are So brainwashed and
drilled up By a Morton Joe you know with the Spray
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stuff that they use on their mouths house that's that's obviously the
drugs that are taken but also they believe that even if
they do self-sacrifice they're going to valhalla you know
which is obviously bullshit that they've been told by a morton joe so they believe
that they're like it's it's you know it's like suicide bombers and stuff they
believe they're they're doing this for the greater cause and that they're going
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to heaven or a version of it so that's what the war boys think you know who
is one of the well it's the
character that has the greatest arc in this film, and it's not Mad Max, and it's not Furiosa.
It's Nux. Nux, yeah. Played by the brilliant Nicholas Holt.
Yeah. Yeah, Mad Max is Mad Max. I mean, that's just the way he's always been.
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Furiosa doesn't have one, because we already kind of know her story.
So it's Nux is the guy who kind of has a journey.
But yeah, this whole chase,
and then it ends with this gorgeous sandstorm tornadoes and fucking it's unreal
how beautiful the CGI mix with practical works and,
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you see all these carnage, all these cars being sucked up into these sandstorms,
whatever it is, sand tornadoes. Yeah. And you see the bodies falling.
It's so beautiful. It's like you should be like all this chaos is happening.
And it's beautifully done.
And the sparks of red and the sparks of orange and just these little pops and bursts.
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And the great thing is a lot of filmmakers,
filmmakers they like this quick cut cinema and it does work
in some things you especially get it in fight sequences where you
quick cut quick cut you're like what the fuck just happened there what what what every
every scene every tire every body
that's in that car is seen being chucked out
or every piece is being you see it
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and it's i i can't it's like a canvas it's
like you know painter's canvas i would say
regarding things like you know quick cuts and other films
and action scenes a lot of the time that is to cover
up um a multitude of errors but but
here you see it all and it is it's it's beautifully done so
it is with max when max wakes up after the crash and he this is where he meets
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furiosa and the girls and yes the real cargo of the of the war right yeah and
the fight sequence between him and furiosa again no quick just the way it's
it's It's almost like a ballet between these two.
And trying to get the gun and trying to get the bullets.
And then there's Nux trying to get him to get the bullets because Nux thinks
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Max is on his side. He doesn't realize what Furiosa.
They're tight, him and Nux are sort of tight to each other still as well.
Yeah, and he's still got the mask, which can be a dismay.
So it's this dance that they have and then they quickly resolve what's going
on that, you know, yada, yada, yada.
And I do like the fact he takes the truck And he goes, he, and Fiora also tells
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the girls, girls grab everything you can and just run.
And because she put a fail safe on the truck where it shuts down. Yeah. But.
Zoe Kravitz playing one of the women as well, one of the breeders and also see
the one with the red hair, just going back to. Yeah.
Yeah. I know who it is. Elvis's granddaughter. Yeah. Rachel, no.
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Oh, my. Lisa Marie Presley's daughter. Is she Grookie or Grookie?
Oh, no, she's one of the other ones.
She's like the one who talks about, you know, nothing but a smug head, you know.
But the one with the red hair is Elvis's granddaughter, the daughter of Lisa
Marie Presley. No, that I'm right.
That's Kyle. It's Riley Kroege or something like that.
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Right. Well, yes, he's very tall. Riley Keogh.
Well, they're all tall. Riley, Riley, Riley Keogh, I think's her name.
But that's, that's the one I'm talking about.
Are you talking about the one with the blonde hair? The red hair.
The red haired one. Yeah, that's who I'm talking about. And Zoe Kravitz there as well. Yeah, so.
I mean, they don't really add. I mean, yeah. I just think they are stunningly
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beautiful. I mean, they're obviously models.
It's just a great sort of counterpart to all the absolute chaos and the craziness
of the rest of the wasteland.
And they're even dressed in white Like angelic And you know Overall this is
just Gorgeous just to look at From a visual point of view In every respect,
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This is very much A feminist film But it's not like.
It's done In a sort of Mature way And a very well told way You know You know,
which I have no issues with.
So when they get to the cannons, the canyons, sorry. And this is where she had
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to deal with the motorbike gang.
And they brought this little extra tank of gas, this little bubble of gas.
Yeah. On the side that they're carrying along with them. They're going to give
them that and you leave us alone.
And it's great. I was a little confused where, well, they already give them the gas.
So I don't. And she makes the comment, Max, you can't be seen because they'll think this is a trap.
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They only expect me to be here, so I need you to stay low.
So why did they start attacking them? Because they were going to give them the gas.
Because Furiosa lied. The cargo on the truck wasn't the petroleum,
the gasoline, as they call it. It was the girls.
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Yeah, but no, but they brought, she, no, she got the tanker.
Behind that tanker, there is another tanker.
Yes. That was a tanker she was going to give them for the free pass.
So why did they attack? I don't know.
Because she betrays him and doesn't give them what she was meant to?
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Which was the gas, which he was. She got out of their truck and she was going
to give it to him. All of a sudden they start shooting.
Did I miss something? Did they catch Max or something? Maybe that's what it was.
Possibly. But as far as I was concerned, she doubled back on her deal with them,
which was very possibly for, well, they supplied her with gasoline.
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It was for some sort of cargo.
I'm not too sure. but she had just basically lied to them to get a free pass,
for her real plan, which was for her and the breeders, the girls, to escape.
We're just going in circles. The reason they attack is because they know that
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she's basically betrayed them.
I don't know how she's betrayed them. She's given them the oil. I don't get that.
It is explained in the film. I have to watch it again. I must have missed the
line, because then she goes, Max, she goes, Max, run.
And then when he knew, she told him how to start the car, let's start the truck real quick.
And so they must have saw one of the girls or something and the band is panicked.
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And that's what happened. It's one thing I can think of because she was going to give them the oil.
But okay. But I think possibly they need the gasoline.
I think she wants to hold on to the gasoline to make it to the green place.
That's where they're heading to. They're trying to find it. I know that,
but they have that extra, you're not, you're going, you're not listening to
what I'm saying. You're going in circles.
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They have the oil separated to give to them. They've been carrying it.
It's a little, it's a little round tank.
So that was for them. She was going out to give that to them.
I'm going to have to double check it. There's definitely a line.
There's got to be a line that we missed.
There is, there is. Furious explains it, but she, let's just say.
No, she says, if they see you, Max, it's over. Yeah. Because they'll know something's up.
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So I didn't catch them glimpsing him. So I don't know what I missed.
Let's move on. I'm sure people, if you know what it is, give us a shout.
Let us know. Let us know. Yeah, and I might hit the way I read it,
was basically she had in some way betrayed them, and that's why they attack.
This, another chase scene was the bike, the bicycles.
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And I love the, just the, whoever comes up with these clever little escapisms,
like when they set the front of the truck on fire.
And so what they do is Max lowers the hydraulics, however it works,
and the cow catcher in front of the truck scoops up all the sand and the sand puts out the fire.
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Stuff like that. And it's, it's, it's, and not only was he blue if he shot, it's innovative.
It's clever oh totally and apparently and
very technically yeah exactly you know exactly yeah but
apparently this film was storyboarded before anything else
which makes sense because this is such a
visual film you add so much
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craziness and stunts and like proper over-the-topness that
makes sense to have it storyboarded before anything else we're talking about
nox and his little arc here you can't feel sorry for nox just because he's been
brainwashed like you said and
And there's a part where he finally comes one-to-one with Joe and he goes,
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you get on board that. He goes, I know how to get onto the truck.
And he goes, you do that, you'll be in Valhalla, you know, with me.
And, but the minute he gets on top of the truck, he trips up on his chain.
It gets stuck. And then you can hear Joe going, idiot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. Yeah. so this is
when basically joe abandons him and he then
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becomes well we'll get to it soon
enough where he then sides with the girls
and yeah he finds a lot of red flags and he
starts wising up a bit but well this is this is
about his journey from being in a religious cult to getting out of it and fighting
for the the greater good and stay it you know yeah pretty much and hope to hope
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is brilliant actor anyway so he sort of perfect yeah he's a good actor he's good actor.
I know, I know, but he's not Laurence Olivier here or Jimmy Stewart.
I didn't say he was, but he can hold... He brings humanity to this role. Yeah, I know, he is.
I like Nicholas Holt. Even when I saw him when he was a chubby little kid and
about a boy, I really enjoyed.
(34:28):
I've never seen that, and I don't want to see it. Why?
Because it's Hugh Grant in a romantic comedy. So it's Hugh Grant.
He's fucking awesome. You know what? You need to open your mind,
you sick freak. That's it. I'm saying it right now.
If it's not 18 or X, it sucks.
Well, you know I have my things that I like Yeah, yeah, you're warmly demented
(34:49):
If you want to watch Hugh Grant doing his floppy herd Yeah, yes,
About a Boy is a fucking great film I haven't seen it to be fair Tony Collette
is so good in it Oh, he didn't know that, you hate her?
You always say, oh, well she must be a shitty actor because she's in About a Boy I was winding you up,
I haven't seen About a Boy so I can't comment on it hateful bastard
(35:12):
do you ever like sit down and go you know what god god
i've just had a rough day and i just want to put a smile on my face i'm
gonna watch you know i'm gonna watch like about a boy or even pretty woman so
i'm just a just a let me finish please just just to brighten my day because
it's been a rough one no you go home and go god i've had a rough day god i'm
gonna put in i'm gonna put in teenage tit freaks and fucking i spit on your
(35:37):
grave yeah that cheers me up no no No,
no, when I've had a hard day and
I want to chill out and relax and watch something nice and pleasant to me,
I'll just dig out Hellraiser or The Evil Dead. You know what I mean?
Something nice and some good family sort of wholesome viewing. Sick bastard.
What do you watch? Squirtle Cowboy? There's a shot I really like,
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and it kind of humbles Max a bit.
And then it takes it away from Max real quickly.
And it's when the pregnant girl is on the side of the – and they have that famous
– you're in the canyons, and they got this big rock sticking out,
and she's about to be hit by it.
And she ducks, but you think she got hit.
And then Max sees that she made it, and Max gives her a smile and then a thumbs up.
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And then seconds later she gets shot and
she she loses her balance and gets run over by a car and
she's pregnant by the way and although it's it's
tough and then max quick little quirk smile door
like way to go girl is taken away
from him just like that it's it's a really it's a
quick it's a quick second but tom hardy
(36:47):
sells it really well yeah and it's a totally emotionally powerful
scene you know in terms of the
emotion whereas before it's just like all these crazy stunts which
are great but not only that because she is
pregnant with a morton joe's child and enrages a
morton joe and you see and you see the grief i like
a warped grief on his face and that's when he gives that famous
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you know that you know like scream yeah
because she is because she's carrying his his child and the
organic mechanic has confirmed that the
child will be a full life
as opposed to a half-life you know yeah so he's even more in grief you know
yeah because and then yeah and then and then rictus erectus he then says uh
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i had a little brother and i'm laughing but but even rictus erectus it's it's
a very emotionally powerful scene all around for both the good Well.
Then at the same time, you've got the flip side. You've got the good guys who's...
Furiosa and, and she wants to go back and Max says, don't do it.
No point. Don't go back for her. She's dead.
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And then she keeps yelling at him. Did you see her? And he just says,
I saw her go under the wheels.
That's all he has to say. I saw her go under the wheels. We need to move on.
And then Furiosa believes him and goes, we have to move on girls.
We can't go back. There's no point.
And again, Charlie Sterling totally sells that. You just see it in her eyes, you know.
She's tearing up and, and Max just has
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to kind of keep and tom hardy does exactly what mad max
does he doesn't lose his temper he doesn't yell at
her about it he just says i saw her go on her and that
as yeah and then playing his day he just says it quietly because he didn't want
to you know you know give him a given he just didn't want to give them a descript
of what he just saw well not only that it's max himself has seen so much death
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and horrors stuff like that it's maybe not water of a duck's back to him but
he's seen at all before, probably worse.
And Nux finds out, you see a clip glimpse of when Joe sees Mad Max behind the
wheel and the mechanic and all see Mad Max behind the wheel at this point.
Nux now know that they know Mad Max was his blood bag, they called him.
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Yes. And he's, it's over for him.
So he pretty much has to choose this side. Not that he really wants to at this
point yet, but he's got to take, he's got to be a partner and now with Max because
his partnership with Joe is gone.
Yeah, but it's not until later on down the line, especially when he has the
sort of relationship where there's a romantic tension between him and Elvis' granddaughter.
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Elvis' granddaughter? Yeah, well, that's who it is. It's not until later on
down the line that he realizes he's chosen the right side, and then he eventually
makes the ultimate sacrifice, not to get to Valhalla because he knows that's all bullshit,
but he does it for the greater good for them. brilliant character arc,
This whole sequence is beautifully shot and it's the sniper sequence, which I love.
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This is to me the best visually stunning and this whole film is visually stunning.
But all it is, is it's like this blue fog, like haze and it's obviously almost,
it's almost like a swampland, which we find out sadly is the paradise they were
trying to get to, but they don't realize yet.
We'll meet this place in Furiosa. but and
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before it became this shithole and
there's such intensity of them trying to get this truck out and
knox decides to jump on their wagon at this point going guys i can drive this
truck i'm among the mechanics let me get you out of this and they have a sniper
they're being snipered by this brilliant marksman and he can see it from the
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far far distance and they try to i love when
And Max, he's got two more shots. And Furiosa's going, you got two more shots.
And he goes, he pauses and he goes, you do it. Because he doesn't have the confidence
that he can make the shot.
And it's just little things like that I love in this sequence.
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And she puts obviously the gun on his shoulder as she's trying to take the shot.
And she takes out his eyes, the gunman's eyes.
That's right, she blinds him. Blinds him. But he's still coming.
And they're just rapidly firing at everything now.
So and then And he's giving a crazy speech as well Yeah he's just rambling,
Something Tollcutter would do Yeah 100% yeah and totally perfect For the wasteland So Max just goes,
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I'll be back and he leaves And he takes something with him,
Dynamite or something And then moments pass And all you hear is a faint explosion
in the background And he comes running back He's covering blood and one of the
girls says Oh my god you're bleeding And Fury also knows right away that's not his blood.
Yeah. Just great. Didn't see anything. All you heard was the explosion. Yep, you didn't have to.
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That's all you needed. And he comes back looking like he's just slaughtered 20 people.
Again, it's back to, as we talked about in the Road Warrior Mad Max 2,
it's back to amazing show don't tell.
Not even, let's say, we're just being shown the aftermath.
It's just brilliant, brilliant visual storytelling by Miller,
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you know, who really knows his shit in terms of visual storytelling.
Yeah, it's fucking master class.
I mean, this guy's pretty much written his, what he did was pretty much create
his own graphic novel, comic book wise.
And then he's the one who, you know, from paper to page, I mean, from paper to screen.
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Yeah. So we get, we finally go to the sand dunes and we meet the women.
These are women that she grew up with. Now, do you do Cats, do you do Cats Valkyrie was in this?
Yes, it did. That's her, that's her sister that we meet in the beginning of
Furiosa, which we'll talk about.
That's right, yep. And she goes, how long has it been? She goes 7,000 days.
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Yeah. And then she goes, what about mom? She died on the third day.
Yeah. Because I guess I read up on this. He actually wrote Furiosa before this.
Yeah. Probably when he was writing this, he wrote a backstory.
Yeah. Yeah. For her. Yeah.
I love the old woman in this. Oh, that's what I'm betting. That's what I was
talking about with all these characters of self-sacrificing and all,
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you meet these older women and these women have got balls, man.
They're just, they don't give a shit. They're going to fucking,
like the poor woman, the older one, I love the pole jumpers.
They're called pole cats. I love the pole cats. Yeah.
And she takes one of them out, but she gets stabbed in the meantime and she's
dying. Yeah, she's in shock as well.
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She knows she's dying. Yeah. But she's not letting anyone, she won't let anyone
know because there'll be a distraction to what's happening.
I love the scene where they're all sort of, we're sort of getting their breath
as the audience, but they're talking about what we'll do.
It goes, well, there is no green place. You know what I mean?
It goes, well, we'll have to get back, you know?
And it's, you know, and then they're talking to Max and Max decides that he's
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going to stick with them and stuff. He goes, we'll have to get back.
And, you know, he tells him how to do it. I go, I thought you went crazy anymore.
Because Max has went through this journey where him and Furiosa,
and Furiosa as well, are now, have become you know, they now trust each other type of thing.
Yeah, so they have to go back. I watched this in the cinema.
When this was first released, I watched this twice in the cinema.
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First time was with a friend. The second time was I brought my ma because it
was so good. And my ma was just gobsmacked at how all this insane stuff going on.
And then eventually they get to the other side, they bump into all these old
women and decide, yeah, after all the hell we've been through,
we're going to go back again.
Well, he makes a good argument. He tells them.
Oh, he's right. He goes, listen, you can sit there and go 1,700
(44:30):
miles for an oasis that's not going to be there he goes
i've seen this before and he's right i've
seen this before so our best bet is
now that the citadel is emptied with all the baddies because
they're coming after us we bust through these guys we can take over the citadel
and he's right it's it could be a one-way ticket but it's the best way around
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this yep the chances are they're gonna die either way so but their best option
and he's right don't forget max is an ex-cop so you know,
he's sort of, he's his head screwed on in many ways,
despite his, you know, literally being Mad Max.
So, yeah, it's the right decision. Plus, it gives us one hell of a cool finale.
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Jesus, that whole sequence where Max has to run to the back of the truck,
cut down the harpoons that are holding back the truck.
He then gets sucked by a pole cat.
And then he's hanging by the side of the car, and Furiosa gets stabbed,
and she's barely hanging on to him.
Then Nux, I believe. Her lungs are collapsing. And then Nux fucking has to fucking flip him around to Mr.
(45:35):
No-No. It's his car. He uses him as a human shield. And then Mr.
No-No gets out of it. I mean, it's just, and again, but every shot, every shot is in chaos.
Every shot, the way it's shot, it's so smoothly done, but it's chaos.
It's fucking, it's just incredible. Yeah. Incredible.
Plus, on top of all this, he has to fight hand-to-hand with Erectus,
(45:58):
you know? yeah exactly but the great thing about that fight sequence the girls help him.
Yeah, they all help each other. They all help each other. There's nobody hiding.
All Zoe Kravitz gets, but then she ends up helping out.
And it's just this gorgeous ballet. That's all I can call it.
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You know what this is? You don't know.
Well, I would call it something maybe less grand, but I mean the exact same
thing. It's basically big budget A-team.
And trust me, I mean that in a nice, complimentary way. Oh, come on. I wouldn't say that.
No, no. No, this is a compliment. Is it? I love the EA team.
I mean... 100% it is. I love the EA team and how they banded together with these people in need.
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And bear with me, they banded together with these people in need to help them
out for the greater cause and they made sacrifices and stuff.
So I mean this 100, 1 million percent as a compliment, but this is just done
in a more professional way, obviously, and with a much bigger budget.
My other thing is when they're fighting and the Doof Warrior is playing his
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guitar and he goes, and the guy who played him says, yeah, that I,
I, I just had a, I strum it and the fire would come out.
He goes, but no, whatever's going around him, he's still fucking playing that
guitar. That bastard playing his heart out.
And I love how Furiosa just rips the mask off. And if you pause it,
you can see the skeletal of the jaw.
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Those jaws get ripped off. Yeah, pretty much. But it's done so fast.
Like I mentioned before, with his style, and we'll definitely mention Furiosa,
his stuff seems like it's violent, but there's very little blood in these films.
It's besides little wounds and stuff like that. And yes, you get people thrown
out of trucks and stuff. Put them away, you know?
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And so it's it's not it's not gratuitous it's not gratuitous in any way it could
come off uncomfortable but it's not gratuitous it's nothing like it's handled
correctly by somebody who knows what they're doing yeah i.e george miller so
and you know and then of course in mac style.
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Once furiosa gets there and she's going on
the elevator she looks down at him and he disappears into the crowd
and of course but but before that
nox gives whenever he makes a self-sacrifice for
them to get to the citadel you know by christian the
the war rake he a brilliant touch again where you know the way the war boys
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their chant is witness me his final words are witness witness me but it's it's
a completely different context where he is doing it not to get the of Valhalla
for Immortan Joe on the walk with Immortan Joe,
he's doing it for his humanity he's restored the humanity,
and if you know this as well about Nox, see as this film progresses,
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his white warboy paint comes off him more and more, and you see more of,
you know, his like real person, it's basically symbolic for his return to humanity,
even though he's got a couple of wee fucking like, hard to get ahead in advertising
freak things, hanging off you know, those boys that he's given names to.
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But yeah. There you go. Freerode, guys.
Fucking complete opposite of that train wreck. We just talked about Mad Max
beyond the Thunderdome.
I said before, I'll say it. One of the greatest films of the 21st century so
far. Yeah, I'll say it again. It's a masterpiece.
Very few masterpieces out there. Sasha Gredemsen, Die Hard, Psycho,
Jaws, It's a Wonderful Life, Bridge on the River Kwai, and Mad Max Freerode is going to be.
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It's just incredible. It is just master class.
And I'm looking forward to talking Furiosa next because I just watched them
back to back and it's just an adrenaline rush.
And then you get, but I'll discuss that more when we talk Furiosa of how I felt
at the very end of Furiosa.
But wow. I hope because the box office, unfortunately the box office,
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which I don't, we'll talk about it in a minute here, Furiosa but I'm hoping
that it finds its niche you know on sales and 4k and so forth and they get that
little resurgence so Miller can complete I think there's a trilogy here and
it's got to be with Hardy and I'd love to see.
Charlize Theron come back as Furiosa it'd be really nice to see that.
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The one in the pipeline is going to be called Mad Max The Wasteland which was
always in the pipeline since this one But the problem is it's now potentially
up in the air because of the poor box office performance of Furiosa.
Yeah. But we'll talk about that when we talk Furiosa.
Listen, guys, thanks for this. We've been a little longer one.
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Again, I do apologize for getting it out late.
And we got a busy time coming up. We got both. We got the wrap up the Mad Max
Furiosa. We got the two Beetlejuices coming out.
And then we hit Horror Month. month, we've got most of the titles picked,
but as you probably already know, it's going to be Smile 2.
Oh God, we got to revisit Smile.
(51:11):
Me and Trevor hated it, but it'd be interesting to see if they fixed what we
hated about it. So we'll be doing that one.
Salem's Lot, finally, the reboot is getting released on digital demand, October 5th.
And we're also to be doing a great special with screenwriter Pete Atkins in
regards to one of my favorite Guilty Pleasures, Whismaster.
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He'll be live while we're doing that review.
So it'll be kind of fun to see now from page to screen.
And then those ones will be recorded in October.
And then we're also going to be doing Founder's Day, a little slasher film that
I thought was quite fun in the vein of movies like Scream.
We're also going to be doing the Amityville Horror as we need to get back to our 70s classics.
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And I think that's all we got right now. Now, do you got anything you want to add?
No, that's about it from me. Yeah. Yeah. Until next time, folks,
when we talk Furiosa. Here we are.
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