CL Talk

CL Talk

CL Talk is the official podcast of Canadian Lawyer magazine. It will hear from leaders in the legal profession in Canada and beyond. Our editorial team interviews legal leaders about topical issues affecting lawyers from coast to coast.

Episodes

AI is not all or none: Tiana Van Dyk on using it well in e-discovery

July 7, 2026 • 24 mins
A single litigation file or regulatory investigation can now surface more data than any team could read in a lifetime, and the temptation is to let AI sort it out. On this episode of CL Talk, Canadian Lawyer managing editor Tim Wilbur speaks with Tiana Van Dyk, managing director of Epiq Canada, about using these tools well without handing over judgment. Van Dyk, who has spent nearly two decades in e-discovery, is blunt that when AI...
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Luca Citton and Marti Phillips on the hiring shift AI is forcing on law firms

July 3, 2026 • 28 mins
What should law firms be hiring for in an era when AI can handle the work that once defined a junior associate's first years? In this episode of CL Talk, Tim Wilbur sits down with Luca Citton, president of Boughton Law in Vancouver and board chair of Meritas, and Marti Phillips, who leads the legal technology program at the global firm network, to explore how legal talent strategy needs to change – and why most firms are stil...
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Samsung's Sahil Razdan on AI, ad tech and privacy by design

June 24, 2026 • 24 mins
What does it take to govern AI responsibly inside a global technology company? In this episode, Sahil Razdan, senior legal counsel at Samsung Electronics Canada and chair of the board of the Interactive Advertising Bureau of Canada (IAB Canada) AI and Emerging Technology Committee, traces an unplanned path into privacy and technology law and explains why the privacy infrastructure a company already has is, in his view, the foundati...
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Lindsay Duprey on AI, e-discovery and defensible legal data

June 23, 2026 • 22 mins
A single litigation file, regulatory audit or breach response can now arrive as a mountain of emails, documents and transcripts. On this episode of CLTalk, Canadian Lawyer managing editor Tim Wilbur speaks with Lindsay Duprey, president of Array Canada, about how legal teams can dig out without sacrificing defensibility or judgment. Duprey, who has led the e-discovery and litigation support firm in Canada since January 2025, breaks...
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Allison Speigel on flat fees, fast decisions, and what Big Law can't match

June 16, 2026 • 35 mins
What does a litigation boutique have that a national firm doesn't? In this episode of CL Talk, Speigel Nichols Fox LLP partner Allison Speigel sits down with host Tim Wilbur to argue that the answer lies in speed, aligned incentives, and candour with clients – not scale. Ahead of her panel at the Canadian Legal Summit, the two get into the billing model she built, why flat fees are trickier in litigation than people assume, a...
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Erin Cowling on small firms, AI, and the freelance edge

June 2, 2026 • 22 mins
Small and mid-size firms head into 2026 with one advantage their larger competitors can't easily match — the speed to adopt technology, keep what works, and drop what doesn't. In this episode, Tim Wilbur, managing editor of Canadian Lawyer, talks with Erin Cowling, CEO and founder of Flex Legal Network and a former Bay Street litigator, about what's actually changing for small firms and what just looks like noise. Cowling exp...
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Matthew Peters on the AI tools McCarthy Tétrault's lawyers are actually using right now

May 26, 2026 • 30 mins
Matthew Peters, partner and national leader of transformation at McCarthy Tétrault LLP, joins Canadian Lawyer managing editor Tim Wilbur to talk about what AI adoption actually looks like inside one of Canada's largest law firms. Peters revisits predictions he made in a 2017 Canadian Lawyer cover story — and explains why his advice has changed. He walks through how the firm manages workflows across multiple AI platforms, the ...
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Harvey Brownstone: Canada's first openly gay judge speaks without prejudice

May 19, 2026 • 29 mins
Harvey Brownstone made history in March 1995 when he became the first openly gay judge in Canada. Twenty-six years later, he retired from the Ontario Court of Justice – and he's now free to say exactly what he thinks about the system he served. In this episode, Brownstone speaks with Canadian Lawyer managing editor Tim Wilbur about his new memoir, Without Prejudice: My Life as a Gay Judge (ECW Press, May 2026), tracing a life...
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How associates really succeed: a candid conversation with Paul Karvanis

May 5, 2026 • 21 mins
In this episode of the Canadian Lawyer podcast, managing editor Tim Wilbur sits down with Paul Karvanis, former Stikeman Elliott and in-house counsel turned coach, speaker and author of The Successful Associate: From New Lawyer to Making Partner. Drawing on interviews with nearly 50 managing partners, talent leaders and senior lawyers, Karvanis lays out a “hierarchy” of associate success – from delivering quality ...
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The Human Edge in AI‑Driven M&A: Why Judgment Still Wins Deals

May 4, 2026 • 25 mins
Across Canada, deal activity is being reshaped by AI. Document review, drafting, and diligence are becoming faster and more standardized, but the stakes for clients have never been higher. In this environment, sophisticated buyers, investors, and founders are not paying for paperwork; they are paying for judgment. For corporate and securities practitioners, the real challenge is how to harness AI without losing sight of the human s...
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Frédéric Duguay in conversation on the Canada Infrastructure Bank’s shifting mandate

April 22, 2026 • 27 mins
In this episode of Canadian Lawyer’s podcast, Frédéric Duguay, chief legal and information officer at the Canada Infrastructure Bank, speaks with managing editor Tim Wilbur about how the CIB’s expanding $45 billion capital envelope is reshaping its mandate and risk appetite. He explains why the bank is focusing on “enabling infrastructure” for housing, deepening Indigenous ownership through dedicated equity ...
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Paul Saunders on rebuilding junior lawyer training in the age of AI

April 7, 2026 • 19 mins
In this episode of CL Talk, Canadian Lawyer managing editor Tim Wilbur sits down with Paul Saunders, chief strategy and innovation officer and partner at Stewart McKelvey, to examine how AI is reshaping junior lawyer training. Saunders explains why the automation of grunt work is eroding core skills, why firms must double down on hands-on mentoring and structured apprenticeships, and how law schools and employers should align on da...
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Professor Maura Grossman on how courts can confront AI-generated evidence

March 17, 2026 • 26 mins
In this episode, Canadian Lawyer managing editor Tim Wilbur sits down with Professor Maura Grossman of the University of Waterloo and Osgoode Hall Law School to examine how artificial intelligence is reshaping the law of evidence. Grossman traces her path from early work using supervised machine learning to sift “millions and millions of emails” in e-discovery to today’s challenge of judges facing synthetic media ...
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Rocky Kim on building a flexible, province-wide real estate and lending practice

March 10, 2026 • 24 mins
In this episode, Canadian Lawyer’s Tim Wilbur speaks with BC lawyer Rocky Kim, founder of Rocky Kim Law Corporation, about how he swapped a punishing Vancouver commute and traditional long-term leases for a Kelowna-based, flexible office model. Kim explains why he sees co-working space as infrastructure rather than a cost-saving hack, how mobile signing agents and short-term offices let his team meet clients where they are, a...
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McMillan–Legora leaders on bringing generative AI into daily legal practice

March 3, 2026 • 23 mins
In this episode of CL Talk, Canadian Lawyer managing editor Tim Wilbur speaks with McMillan LLP CEO and managing partner Bruce Chapple and Legora CEO and co founder Max Junestrand about the firm’s decision to roll out Legora’s generative AI platform across the law firm. They unpack how the partnership came together, what “meeting lawyers where they are” looks like in practice, the early use cases in litigati...
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Jason Ward in conversation on mental health and insurance traps for lawyers

February 24, 2026 • 22 mins
Jason Ward, a former civil litigator who built a successful practice in Lindsay, Ontario, before leaving law due to alcoholism and THC dependency, joins managing editor Tim Wilbur to talk candidly about what happens when lawyers can no longer cope. Ward explains why stigma in the profession is often internalized rather than imposed, how billable-hour pressures and a “win–lose” culture fuel mental health crises, an...
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Why Indigenous equity and gaming M&A in BC will set a precedent across the country

January 27, 2026 • 20 mins
In this episode of CL Talk, Canadian Lawyer managing editor Tim Wilbur sits down with McCarthy Tétrault partner Pavan Jawanda to unpack a seismic shift in British Columbia’s gaming sector: First Nations moving from revenue-sharing arrangements to equity ownership and operational control of major casino assets. Jawanda, who has advised on the first seven First Nations casino M&A deals in BC, discusses how these transaction...
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Joseph Neuberger on justice, wrongful accusations and life in criminal defence

January 20, 2026 • 23 mins
In this episode, managing editor Tim Wilbur sits down with Toronto criminal defence lawyer Joseph Neuberger, named one of Canadian Lawyer’s Top 25 Most Influential Lawyers in 2025, for a candid conversation about his three decades on the front lines of sexual assault and domestic violence prosecutions. Neuberger discusses why he calls wrongful accusations a “hidden crisis,” how investigative tunnel vision and digi...
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Misha Benjamin on AI governance and why Canadian businesses should avoid copy-paste rules

January 13, 2026 • 24 mins
In this episode, managing editor Tim Wilbur speaks with Misha Benjamin, partner and co-lead of the technology and AI practice at BCF in Montreal, about why Canadian businesses are “tying themselves in knots” over AI risk while falling behind more aggressive competitors. Benjamin draws on his experience at Ubisoft, Element AI, McKinsey, and Sama to explain how one-size-fits-all AI governance, vague bans on “confide...
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Beyond hallucinations: the biggest mistake law firms can make in implementing AI

January 5, 2026 • 26 mins
In this episode of CL Talk, managing editor Tim Wilbur speaks with Alexi co-founder and CEO Mark Doble about the risks law firms face as they rush to deploy AI. Doble explains why he believes traditional multi-tenant cloud tools have become “completely untenable” for serious legal work, argues that single-tenant private cloud environments are critical to protecting client data and law firm IP, and outlines how firms sho...
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