A Siege of Spirits: The Grim Reaper Paranormal Story"

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Speaker A (00:00):
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Hello and welcome to Dairyland Frights, theparanormal podcast that covers everything
spooky, creepy and mysterious in the Midwestand beyond.
And today I am again, always have greatguests.

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And of course, here we go again,
more great guests.
I have Bill Powers from A Grim Reaper
Paranormal.
Welcome, Bill.

Speaker B (00:53):
Thank you.
How you doing?

Speaker A (00:54):
I am doing great.
So just Bill and I were talking offline.
Bill's on about four hours of sleep because he
had a big event last night,
talked about some great things.
We got some coffee and Bill.
So we are excited to not only talk about that.

Speaker B (01:12):
Well, as I was saying offline, the paranormal hangover is so real right now.
I'm completely dead.
And that was one of the reasons why I wore a
hat.
And I'm like, all right.
I got a. I was like, how can I word it?I just got to, like, cover up my face because
I feel like I have huge bags under my eyes.
And my daughter, my.
My daughter's like, you.
You look horrible.

Speaker A (01:31):
Thanks, hon.
Sweetie. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Awesome.
Awesome.
Well, that's part of being in the paranormal.
It doesn't keep business hours.
It's not like 9 to 5 or whatever.
It's, you know, well, whenever you can get outthere or typically it's early morning.
So there we go.
So let's get right into it.

(01:51):
We're talking offline here with Bill.
So talk about the event you had last night andsome interesting things that happened.

Speaker B (01:59):
The.
Trying to think how I can word it, I guess,the event that I had.
And for those that follow us on social mediafor the last, I don't know, maybe it's been
three months, maybe four months now.
There's been a buildup, and it's been a slowbuildup, and I tend to do a lot of videos
anywhere.
And I mean, you've seen.
I'm going to be static that will come acrossthe screen.

(02:22):
Some of the.
Some of the images or some of the video clips
are stock.
Other ones are ones that I actually film
because I own a video production company.
And we started this whole project roughly
about a little over two years ago called theSiege.
And the Siege, I guess the best way that I canword it is it's a fully immersive paranormal
experience.
And I Originally pitched it about a year and ahalf ago at the same location.

(02:47):
And at the time I was told no, it wouldn't goover, it wouldn't work.
And it kind of bummed me out.
And I was like, all right, back to the drawing
board.
I kind of respun things around, did things a
little bit differently.
And the siege itself, it's a large project
because it started last night, but it does notconclude until the end of October.

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And there's been a gradual buildup betweenphoto images.
And a lot of the photo images will have, forexample, the most recent ones that I've used
will either be a black background or there'llbe what appears to be a stairway with a
landing.
And that was an image that I took a few yearsago.
And in the actual image, which I know is onsocial media,
you can make out a male apparition at the footof the stairs.

(03:31):
And there's like a post and he's on the lefthand side of the post.
And I listed it online.
And then I want to say it was within a fewhours after it was posted.
Somebody responded back, hey, you have twoother images which I've never seen.
And so there's, there's, so there's threedifferent images which are on there.
So I use that.
And.
But the, for the siege, there's a lot ofwriting that's in Latin, that's in the static

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images that I'll put on there.
And they'll have a bunch of Latin words on it,but I'll put in the hashtags, follow the
whispers, which is another way of saying,follow the clues.
And then I'll say things like, siege, it iscoming.
The Wraith for the first Oracle and the Wraithin the first Oracle are one and the same.
In my head, when I created it and I wasthinking of it, I didn't want to come out and

(04:16):
be like, hey, the first date.
I wanted to build the intrigue and themysterious type of nature to it.
So I chose the Wraith.
The Wraith I thought was fitting considering
the location itself.
And it was a site of a huge traumatic event
over 250 years ago.
But when I pitched it to the new generalmanager at the location back in, I think it

(04:38):
was December, he was like, I love the idea.
So we've been talking ever since.
He's like my best buddy.
And we're like, we set our first date last
night and we had 80 tickets that were for saleand we sold 74.
So I mean, great.
Yeah, I mean it went over really good.
And we were pretty ecstatic for the firstnight.
And we can't wait to get back up there againin a few weeks.

Speaker A (04:59):
Yeah. And is it okay to mention the place or.

Speaker B (05:02):
Yeah, it's completely fine.
Have you watched Trying to remember who was in
it?Daniel Day Lewis for.
Was it Last of the Mohicans?

Speaker A (05:10):
Yeah, I'm sure.
Yeah.

Speaker B (05:12):
That was based on Fort William Henry, which is up in Lake George, New York.
And there was two battles that were there.
There was one 1755, which.
There's a battle there.
And there was a battle.
Same battle was out.
There's a park across the road,
and that's the battlefield park.
And so that was one battle.
And then there was 1757, which was obviouslythe French.

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And it was several different Indian tribesthat were obviously working with the French.
And growing up in this area.
Because I live about an hour south of Lake
George, obviously I have grown up going to thefort itself, Going to Lake George as a kid.
And being a lover of history.
I've always loved with what they had going on

(05:55):
there.
And I thought it would be the perfect location
for it with the name.
And they were like, we absolutely love it.
And so these whole.
This whole public event series.
And us being their special guestinvestigators.
And the fort never does this.
They never have special guest investigators.
I mean, you think about who's been in there inthe past.
You have ghost hunters.

(06:17):
I mean, they were there many, many, many years
ago with.

Speaker A (06:20):
Right.

Speaker B (06:20):
God, I can't remember who.
I apologize.
I'm blanking on their names right now.
Jack Osborne was there several years ago.
Him and Katrina, they were there.
That was.
I think they were the last ones that wereactually there.
So to actually be a guest there and to be alocal makes it even that much sweeter.

Speaker A (06:37):
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.

Speaker B (06:40):
It's the coolest place in the world.
It's old and it smells old.
And I mean, if you have abilities, it's off
the charts.

Speaker A (06:47):
Yeah. Yeah, I bet.
I mean, the.
Just the rich.
I'm a big history buff, too.
And just the rich history involved in it isamazing because places like jails.
Well, Gettysburg history, forts.
I mean, people lived and died in those forts.
There was nothing but the energy of
unfortunately suffering.

(07:09):
Right.
And all that energy,
again, just doesn't go anywhere, you know?You know, like stone.
I. I don't know if you're familiar.
Like stone.
Tape theory, where the energy, you know,objects absorb it or places absorb the energy.
Negative or positive.
And then go in there.

Speaker B (07:26):
Yeah, go ahead.
Lead into that for the whole stone tape theory
and that some of the video snippets that I'vedone for promos I would have in there.
And I'm trying to remember exactly how Iworded it off the top of my head.
And I've done so many videos in so many clips,it's kind of a blur, even though I have them
saved on my phone.

(07:47):
But I worded it as if a thunderous roar would
echo through the valley.
Basically meaning in my head it was thinkingof the cannon fire.

Speaker A (07:58):
Right.

Speaker B (07:59):
Same with.
And I can't remember exactly how I had it
worded, but it was about the blood will flowfreely into.
I can't remember if it was like the lake orthe water.
But it was the same premise that I was goingfor.
And that was one of the pitches when Iinitially recontact them in December.
I was, with the exception of certain stockimages, the writing that I use the Latin and

(08:21):
I'm trying to maintain a original but yethistoric manner,
I guess would be the word that I can use toit.
I didn't want to take and have anything thatwas too over the top.
I wanted to stick in a way to what exactlyhappened there as best as I could.
And I've had a lot of people message and sendemails and be like, well, hey, what's with all

(08:41):
the creepy writing?And we actually talked about it a lot last
night because they're like, well, hey, what'sthe writing all about?
And what is with all this in like I would dovideos for it is coming leading up to last
night.
Or I would have the Latin writing or I would
do strange symbols at the beginning of thecampaign.
But I kind of got away from it in the lastcouple of weeks because it got harder and

(09:02):
harder to do videos and include all thoseclips.
So I kind of segued off of it for a littlebit.
But I'll be going back to it in another fewweeks now that it's all it started.
And last night I put on social media one ofthe hashtags was.
It's the.
I think I put down the first of three,
which is the first of three dates leading intowhat is what we're actually going to be doing

(09:25):
there later this summer.

Speaker A (09:26):
Nice,
nice.
So let's talk about some experiences you had.
We're talking offline.
And let me back up.
Can you tell me about your team who is on your
team and kind of like some of their functionsor whatever you want to say.

Speaker B (09:41):
Well, abilities.
Well, initially, when I started, I started outSolo myself.
And my first experience was I was four yearsold and I grew up in an old haunted Victorian
home.
And I can remember clear as day, waking up in
the middle of the night.
And I know I was wide awake cause I lifted myhead out of bed and I heard my name called and
I got out of bed and I walked through myhouse.

(10:03):
And at the time I can remember walking throughmy living room and I can remember how my body
was reacting with what I was feeling.
But I walked in my parents room, stuck my head
in, they were asleep.
Then I ran back to the room, pulled the coversup over my head and I was like, I'm scared.
But from that moment on I've either I wouldeither feel spirit or I would hear it.

(10:24):
And it was really weird growing up in.
How can I word it?
It was odd to take into experience it, but alot of my friends didn't have abilities and I
was afraid of how they would respond to me.
So I mean anybody that I grew up with, I meanuntil I went to high school and I graduated
high school, I said nothing about it.

(10:46):
I kept it completely quiet because I was,
in some ways I was not worried, but I was, Iwasn't worried, but yet I was worried, if that
makes sense.
And yeah,
it took me a long time to realize like what Iwas feeling.
And it was not probably until I hit my lateteens that I was finally able to figure things
out.
And then I started working with meditation andtrying to train those particular aspects to

(11:11):
try to hone them in.
And my wife doesn't understand it because
there was one location we went to, I think itwas two months ago and we were still like six
blocks away from it.
And I'm like, oh, it's very strong.
And she's like, how can you tell?
And I'm like, I can just feel it on my body.
It came through hit and miss last night indifferent times and they would peek in a
little bit and it's like the energy isstarting to shift and then sometimes it would

(11:34):
rush in and then it would rush right back out.
But I've had experiences pretty much my wholelife.
Last couple investigations we've done, we.
There's one place in particular that we have
that's actually not too far away that I'm notgoing to mention the real name of other than
it's known as the house on Bacon street.
And it's about a 160 year old location andit's,

(11:57):
it's an amazing location that has an amazinghistory,
but they Have a vast amount of.
I guess you could say collectibles and
artifacts in their possession.
And the last time that we were there was
actually in April, and it was a privateinvestigation that was for an auction winner,
and her and her son were there.

(12:18):
And I have a whole introduction that we do forevery event, every location.
And it.
I'll change it up, but for the most part,
it's.
I have it memorized word for word.
And we were.
I said the whole spiel, like, as I call it
myself.
And I was like.
Before we actually started the event, I'mlike, I'll give you 30 seconds to come forward

(12:38):
and to communicate with us.
It was silent for probably about 10 seconds.
And a male voice came through between the mom
and her son.
And it said several words in a very low voice.
I'm trying to think how I can word it.
I could hear it, but I was not sure what wassaid.

(12:59):
My wife could hear it, but she was not surewhat was said.
What was interesting was the.
We had digital recorders.
We had eight of them that were running on
various different floors.
And it was a technique that I started doing
years ago because I discovered an error.
One time that I was asking questions in oneroom in a digital recorder in a total opposite

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end of the house,
was answering the same question.
There's one recorder that had.
On the second floor in a room which was known
as the doll room.
This voice whispered.
And you hear this female response, this femalevoice come through, and she says, gordon,
hush.
And there's a pause, and you hear as if she'smad at him.
It's like, okay, that's a new name.
I've never heard of Gordon.
And there's a Timmy, which is there.

(13:43):
And we believe Timmy's a little boy.
And Timmy dates back to the 1800s.
And from what we've been able to piecetogether over our last several investigations
there, he died, I'll say late 1800s, 1900s.
I. We think it was either Spanish flu or itwas smallpox.
It was.
It was one of the two.
And he came through for one of the experimentsthat we're doing.

(14:06):
And he came out and he said.
We asked him a question, and he said, scared
or I'm scared.
And. But we.
We first came up.
He introduced himself last year.
So every time we go, they're like, timmy, are
you here?Is that you?
And he'll always respond in the same way.
If we're using, like, for example,necrophonic.
It's always the same voice.
And he'll be like, yeah, and we'll ask him

(14:26):
different questions, and he'll be there.
And then obviously, the other spirits will.
Will interject.
But the place is loaded with activity.

Speaker A (14:32):
Yeah, yeah.
So let me ask you this.
Let me back up here, since we're talking about
experiences.
So, Bill, what is your most memorable orsignificant paranormal experience or
experiences?

Speaker B (14:48):
How can I. What can I say? Oh, boy, there's so many.
Some of my most favorite for Battle ofSaratoga, I live close by to the actual
battlefield.
I'm about 10 minutes away from there.
So much so that my wife and I, right up till afew years ago, we used to actually go hiking
there every weekend because they have tons oftrails that are through there.

(15:08):
Battlefield notoriously haunted.
We know there was two major battles that were
there.
Battle of Freeman's Farm and the Battle of
Bemis Heights.
So there's a trail that's in the battlefield
that's called Wilkinson's Trail.
And it kind of goes in between both of thefields.
So there was one section in particular.
And in the.
The one memory that I'm thinking of, my

(15:30):
daughter was with us.
And I mean, she was little at the time, maybe
10 years old, 11 somewhere around there.
And so she came with us.
And I had a bag over my shoulder, and I had a
little Bluetooth speaker.
And we were just going to do a short hike for
so far just to enjoy the day.
So we stopped in this one spot, and I had abunch of musket fire and cannon fire that was
saved on one of my old phones.

(15:52):
So I did a trigger object session that was in
this particular section of forest.
And I mean, it wasn't more than maybe 200ftwide.
And my wife ran one end.
She looked, there was nobody come, and my
daughter ran the other end, and they both ranback.
So we did.
It was only like maybe a minute, minute and a
half because we were worried about a rangercoming through or something like this.
And just because the park rangers at the.

(16:13):
Especially for the battlefield, they're reallystrict about paranormal investigators.
Obviously coming through.
You can't go there at.
You can't go there at nighttime.
Obviously federal land.
You get arrested.
So they're.
They're very strict with that.
So I was worried about that.
So we started the whole trigger object
session.
And I mean, it was maybe 30, 45 seconds.
And I'd pause it, and I'm like, does thissound familiar?
And it would be a bunch of musket fire, andthen there would be cannon fire.

(16:36):
And we paused it, and I was like, so herewho's here with us.
And I know that you're here because I can.
I can feel you.
I know you are around me.
Can you tell me your name?And we were doing.
We had a digital recorder as well.
When we actually paused, we paused the digitalrecorder, we turned around and we started
questioning again.
And I started doing the trigger session again.

(16:57):
And we heard three shots that sounded justlike musket fire.
I grew up around firearms.
So what a rifle sounds like shotgun, all that.
And I'm like.
And in my head, I was thinking it, and Ilooked at my wife and I'm like, did you hear
it?And she's like, yes.
And my daughter heard it.
So all three of us collaborated that.

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But the same section on another time when Iwas actually there myself.
And I would so love to be able to release theactual video clip, but since it's on federal
land, I can't, and it absolutely kills me.
But I. I was walking along and I had a.
I was using my phone and I was on the samesection.
And the trail's kind of flat and there's aknoll, and it's a little teeny, tiny mole and

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trees both sides of the past.
And you can kind of see.
I remember the sun was like to the right of
the trail a little bit, but it wasn't.
The sun wasn't high in the sky, was later in
the afternoon.
And so I walked through there.
And I remember I didn't feel any.
I didn't feel anything.
I didn't hear anything.
And it was not until I actually got home andput headphones on and I rewatched it.

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There was one tree in particular.
You could see this opaque apparition come out
from behind the tree.
And it would be going from.
If you're viewing the tree, it would be leftover on towards the trail.
And it comes right towards me.
And what initially drew me to it was you could
hear the air displacement going past my phone,and you could hear the whoosh.

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And I started backing it up frame by frame byframe.
And it was the most.
It was the most interesting thing.
But I've.
I've recorded.
I've heard phantom nays.
I've recorded phantom cannon fire.
I've asked questions.
I've asked questions about what wereconditions like back then.
And I get.
Got a response which is.
It's.
I don't even know how I can word it.

(18:45):
It's digitized in a way, as if a spirit wasworking its way into the device itself to
speak.
And it's kind of.
And Then it says horrible.
But I've asked, I've asked questions about a
Brigadier General Frazier who was our versionof special warfare.
And he was like best of the best back then.

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And he from, in history and from the articlesthat I read, he had a huge breakfast that
morning and it was the battle of BemisHeights.
And he was shot,
supposedly, the legend has it, by asharpshooter that's here in New York and was
one of the few colonists that actually had adouble barreled musket.
And the legend had it that he, he firedseveral shots in roughly about a minute time

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frame.
Like the first one hit like the saddle, thesecond one hit like the, like the horse's
mane.
And I mean, is there any way to, to like it's
actually from him?
No. But supposedly they said that he was theone that actually shot this General Frazier.
So I was recanting the whole story standingright outside this forest area, and I get this
female voice that comes through when weactually got home and she says, don't shoot

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him.
And it made me wonder, is it his wife wholived in England who was having a tea party at
the time?And I researched everything out after the
fact,
or was it a Baroness Radissel who was actuallyjust outside of the battlefield and there was
an old, old red cottage and they, I don't knowif they kicked the guy that lived there out or
whatever it was, but they took it over andthey were making dinner and the soldiers

(20:18):
brought him in and he laid there in agony onthe table for about 19 hours before he passed
the next morning.
So it was a long blurb in history to come outand say, standing in the middle of a field in
the sun.
Because I remember doing it and it was an
August day and.
But to capture that particular EVP wasabsolutely amazing.

Speaker A (20:37):
Yes, that, that sounds absolutely amazing because again, there's such rich
history.

Speaker B (20:44):
Yes.

Speaker A (20:45):
In the Revolutionary War and so many things that happened that people don't
know.
I mean, you were taught in school about
Benedict Arnold and you were taught aboutGeorge Washington.
By the way, I'm a big history buff.
That stuff you were taught in school is 90%wrong.
Because now we have the original histories andpeople have done more research on it and have

(21:09):
said like, no, I mean, like, again, not to gooff on a tangent, but like Benedict Arnold,
everyone thoughts he just betrayed us, justwhatever.
No, he was eventually,
and this is in the history podcast, but he wasjust passed over,
you know, for commands and other things.
And it's kind of like if you're at work.
I always use this analogy.

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You're at work and all your friends are being
promoted at work.
And you're like, where?Yeah. You're like,
hey, I'm kicking butt here.
I'm one of your best generals and you keep
passing me over while the hell with it.
I'm leaving and I'm gonna, I'm gonna go.
And that's kind of what it was.
Is very, unfortunately a little bit petty onhis part.

(21:51):
But if you research it, like, I don't agreewith what he did, however,
you know, and just things like that anddifferent battles and stuff and people don't
understand.
Like when we went.
The Americans went toe to toe with theBritish, they pretty much kicked our butt
because we could not,
you know, we just didn't have the experience,
the, the leadership,

(22:13):
the, you know, supplies, whatever you want tosay.
So a lot of it was guerrilla warfare.
So when you go, like you said, a lot of, when
you go out, a lot of it was snipers, peoplejust ambushing, you know, British troops.
And British troops, again, were so dedicatedand so well trained and disciplined.

(22:34):
You take out a couple of their leaders andthey're kind of like, yeah, what do we do?
And that really like to the Ford, you know,Henry and everything you're talking about,
that adds to it too.
If you're, you're just seeing you bombarded
day after day after day,
what's that going to do?Right?
That's going to mess with your mind.

Speaker B (22:53):
And it's going to, it is.
And even for the.
And I just happen to think of two things forthe battlefield.
I can remember there's one trail that leadsthrough the woods.
And I forgot, I want to say it was like aseven mile hike that day.
And.
But there was one section in particular of the
forest.
And I mean, there's no power lines around.
Nothing, nothing.
And there's, there's pine trees.
And I can remember exact right where we were.

(23:13):
And my wife was in front of me and she, she
had a mel.
Me, which is like her favorite device.
And she was,
she was like, we, we just hit 34.6 and we'rein the middle of the forest.
And I had a digital recorder and I would stop,
it would stop, ask a question, keep going.
But after a while I was like, I'm just going
to keep right on walking.
I want to see what I can capture while I walk.

(23:35):
And I know a lot of people like, all right,it's a major no, no. And you to be still like,
you know what this is for my own use.
I want to see what I can get.
So I got one piece of audio and I mean, youcould hear the footsteps coming through.
And my wife mentioned for 34.6 and I said toher,
I was like, wow, that's pretty good.
And I said something along the lines, like, I

(23:56):
know you're here, I can feel you.
And I didn't get.
It was not a verbal,
like, I'm here or hello, get out of here,whatever, it won't.
And I can't even like describe it.
It was like a growling type of response which
came through.
And it was, it reminded me kind of like a dog
growling in a way, but it was, it was reallyweird.

(24:19):
And I remember I was actually laying in bedthat night and it was like, what the **** is
that?

Speaker A (24:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker B (24:26):
I played it for a few people and a few, couple people have heard it and other
people like, oh, I don't, I don't hearanything whatsoever.
But for.
I know you asked me before for, for my group
initially,
I spent roughly about 12, 12 and a half yearsdoing solo.
And my wife peppered investigations on and offover the years.
And I, about four, four and a half years ago,I was like, you know what?

(24:48):
I've accumulated all this knowledge.
I've done all these cases over time.
Let me start to pass it on.
So I thought about six months for a name.
I couldn't think of a name for the life.
And I kind of put it on the back burner.
And then one day the name Grim Reaper just
popped in my head and I was like, all right,let me think of a logo.
And I had a different logo I used.
And.
But originally it was my wife and I. And thenI brought on Tanya, who's my senior

(25:11):
investigator, who is one of my psychics.
And Tanya lives pretty close by to me.
She actually does a lot of work for cold
cases, for missing people and serial killers.
And there's one, there's actually two cases
that we're working on that she's worked onboth of them in some fashion.
And one of them is who killed White Feather,which is kind of like a murder mystery that

(25:32):
goes back to the mid-1800s.
And she was, it was an 18 year old girl that.
Her body was found floating face down in apond one Saturday morning in October 1889.
She was seen the night before near thisbridge.
There's different information.
Some people saw her with friends, other people
saw her without friends standing near thisbridge.

(25:53):
And of course, it's a small village, it's thelate 1800s and, of course, getting dark early.
So. But what made it interesting was peoplethought, okay, well, she committed suicide.
She had a hat that had two.
White feather or white feather that was in it,
which is why I named it who Killed WhiteFeather.
And she had a sweater which was folded neatlyon a walk on the side of the road.

(26:14):
But when they eventually took her body out,she had no. Let's see her.
She didn't have shoes on.
She was found floating face down, her hands
clasped together with her head facing shore,which is very odd.

Speaker A (26:28):
Yeah.

Speaker B (26:28):
And so I started.
It piqued my interest in.
Tanya had a book at the time, which she gaveme.
I read it in, like, two days, and I gothooked.
So ever since then, who Killed Whitefeather?
Has been a case that right now we're still inproduction with.
We've been.
God, we've been in production for about two
years now with it.
And some of the locations like, yeah, you can.
You can film here, you can investigate here.

(26:49):
And other ones don't want to be associated
with it because it's a small village.
And a lot of the names of the.
The people back then still live in thatparticular village.
And.
But we have that case, and then we haveanother one where there was the Jalik
Rainwalker case, which is a huge name in thisarea, where he was a little boy.
He was maybe 11, 12 years old,

(27:11):
and biracial, if I remember correctly.
And he just disappeared one day.
And his.
His adopted parents took and they were
questioned and everything.
And they.
I want to say that at first they answeredquestions, if I remember correctly, and then
they just stopped talking whatsoever.
They packed their stuff up and they moved out

(27:31):
of state, which,
I mean, my opinion, that's suspicious.
But they started looking for him.
They've never found a body.
They've never found no clues.
Nobody knows where he is.
But Tanya's been involved with him.
And then I.
There's my wife.
And so we were known as the core of three.
That's what I called us, because between the.
Between the three of us,
I mean, we have 45 years of experience,

(27:54):
and which is a lot.
And since then, I've grown from three.
Right now I have 10.
I have two full teams that I employ.
I have people as far south as New York Cityand as far north as Lake George.
And we do cases from New York City all the wayto Lake George and pretty much half of New
York all the way out to Syracuse and all theway over to Boston.

Speaker A (28:14):
So that.
That's that's amazing.
I mean, I've interviewed people from yourarea, Bill.
I don't know if you're familiar with them.
Suddenly haunted.

Speaker B (28:24):
I've heard the name, yes.

Speaker A (28:26):
Yeah. And they're from New York too.
And what I love about that area, by the way,I've been to the city of New York about two or
three times.
No offense.
I don't want to go back.
I'm from a small town in Wisconsin, and when I
went there, I'm like, nah,
it's just that for me.
But I'm a big history guy.
And the history there is,

(28:48):
you know, amazing because obviously Boston,Philadelphia, places like that too.
That's where the predominant places where ourcountry was basically give birth to.
And unfortunately, like in New York, gangs inNew York, things like that.
If you've seen that movie and other things.

(29:08):
Yeah, not a. A little bit of a. Interestingplace.
Just, you know, talk about.
That's why, again, it's so rich in history of
paranormal.

Speaker B (29:17):
It definitely is.
I mean, my hometown is what, 5,000 people.
So I mean, it's.
It's small.
But even from my hometown, I mean, there's afew haunted places that.
Walking around as a kid and I would be withfriends and then I would be thinking in my
head and like, the energy is really strong inhere.
It is definitely haunted.
I mean, my.
The one of the churches here in town ishaunted where they've had.

(29:40):
They've seen a pastor or somebody walking upone of the side aisles and they wouldn't go in
the back room where that's supposed to be forall the priests.
And they priest, many, many decades ago,actually followed this apparition into the
room.
Nobody was there.
And it was one of the stories that I learnedabout a long time ago.
But I mean, Boston notoriously haunted,different sections.

(30:01):
I mean, yeah, we.
We go to Boston every February because my
daughter is a huge volleyball player for alocal.
Not only school, but for club.
And so we do traveling a lot for about sixmonths.
So in February, we were in Boston and I waslike, hey, while I'm there, I'm going to do
some haunted spots.
Our hotel was haunted.
And even though.
Even though they didn't come out, and it'slike ton admit we got in.

(30:23):
And I was.
After we were all checked in and we were
walking to the elevator, and I rememberleaning over to my wife and I'm like, it's
haunted here.
And she's like,
yeah, it's like 150 years old.
And we had.
We had crazy responses in Our hotel room.
We walked to Boston Commons.
Notoriously haunted.
We went to the.

(30:44):
It was a King Phillips Cemetery, which is justoutside of Boston Commons.
We walked through there.
Quick.
Notoriously haunted, which a lot of thegravestones.
Early 1700s.

Speaker A (30:54):
Yes.

Speaker B (30:55):
Obviously, we're there for an ulterior motive, so I was doing double duty
while I was there.
But it's like, activities everywhere.

Speaker A (31:02):
Yeah. And that's.
That's amazing.
So let me ask you this question.
A lot of my paranormal investigators, you have
to draw a fine line between the scientificand, like, the experimental.
Right. So, for example, Estes method.
That's kind of a. I would say a newer method,
but relatively newer compared to some of theother methods.

(31:23):
So how do you do that fine line, Bill,between.
You know, when you do an investigation, you.
You need solid evidence.

Speaker B (31:30):
Yes.

Speaker A (31:31):
Because you don't want to be like, oh, there's a bunch of ghosts running around.
And,
you know, come on.
There's tons of videos on YouTube where it's
faked.
And it gives you and your team, as well as
other teams that I've interviewed a bad name,frankly,
because everybody's like, oh, you guys arefake.
So it exists.

(31:51):
When you're on investigation, how do you do
that?Like, what equipment do you use or methods
that you be like, okay, we gotta make surewe're getting solid evidence.

Speaker B (32:00):
It actually varies depending on the location.
So, for example, I won't use the fort because,well, the fort.
60,000 square feet, even though it'snotoriously haunted.
And, I mean, it's an immense property.
But I'll use the House on Vacant street just
because the last two years we've been there.
Well, I've been there nine times.
And I mean, it's local, and it's one of those.

(32:21):
That.
It's one of the cases right now that's kind of
like.
It's been at the top of my list right up until
probably a few weeks ago, because I got muchlarger projects coming up.
But for, like.
For the House on Vacant street,
whenever we investigate there, we'll DVRsystem.
I mean, we'll bring in eight cameras on topof.
Last time we were there, we had three infraredcameras that we rolled.

(32:42):
We had body cameras that certain people wore.
Eight digital recorders.
We've used different equipment over the years.
I mean, we've used the.
What is it for?
The plasma ball that we used to have, like,when.
When.
Like when we were kids.

Speaker A (32:55):
What's that, Bill? What's the plasma ball?
What's that?

Speaker B (32:58):
The plasma ball where you could put Your hand on it.
And it would have like the.

Speaker A (33:00):
Right, right, right, right.

Speaker B (33:01):
Like the.
What's the word that I want to use?
Like, as if it was electric current that wasgoing like a Tesla coil.
And I bought one a few years ago that you cannot only touch, but it sensed a vibration.
And we've, we've tried it there, we've triedit on tables, we've tried it putting
underneath a rubber.
Putting rubber feet on it to try to help
isolate.

(33:22):
And it's like, well, hey, maybe if the
building shifts or a car goes by, it mightcause a false positive.
And so we, we tried using a form ofcushioning.
And the last time we used it, we just wouldstart asking different questions.
And I mean, we, we had a plasma ball.
We had.
I mean, we've tried cat balls.
Cat balls are kind of cool.
They light up.

(33:42):
And can you have some good responses withthem?
Yes.
REM pods.
Absolutely.
Love to death.
And we've tried different devices in differentrooms, and it's hit and miss.
What you can truly use for a location.
I mean, and to be honest, I mean, who's to saywhat way is truly the correct way?
I mean, everybody out there, right,
acts like they're an expert.

(34:03):
And I'm like, okay.
I mean, if you've been doing this forever.
And I mean, for Jason Hawes, I mean, he's like
the Godfather.
Johnny Zappis.

Speaker A (34:10):
Right?

Speaker B (34:10):
Godfather.
I mean, you like, you worship these people,
even though they're both incredibly nice guys.
And to, if, to get their advice, obviously
you're going to listen.
They've been around forever,
right?But what truly works, what doesn't work?
And that's one of the beauties of theparanormal.
And I know they're, they're trying toobviously classify things.

(34:31):
I mean, for example, EVPs.
But what, what's the true definition?What is the true standard?
And over the years, we've just tried differentthings.
What,
hey, let's try this for a location.
Does it work?
Great.
Next time we go back there, we'll.
We'll use it again.
And I mean, every investigation is different.
Every investigation I view something
different.
I mean, sometimes I'll.

(34:52):
For example, last night, and I know a lot ofgroups out there and a lot of people, they
don't like apps whatsoever.
They don't like necrophonic or Spirit talkeror Necrometer.
And I have all three on my phone.
I like all three.
Last night I leaned more for necrophonic.
Just the responses.
Was I recording it?Yes.
So I can go Back later on tonight, I'll putheadphones on and I'll start listening to it

(35:17):
and to see what some of the responses are.
Some of the responses that came through last
night were really incredible.
But I'm really looking forward to getting intoall the audio that we recorded because we had
what, six digital recorders and we were therefor about five hours.
I got about 30 hours worth of audio to listento.
So.

Speaker A (35:35):
Yeah,
so let's stick with that.
Here's my biggest thing that I've spoken to
all the paranormal investigators, which Ithink is super hard to do.
So when you get all your evidence back, Bill,how do you, like, know the difference between
maybe,
I don't know, someone's talking outside on thestreet,
there's a car driving by and the headlightscome through versus actual real paranormal

(36:01):
evidence?
You know, how do you determine that?What do you.
What's your kind of your method?

Speaker B (36:05):
So in regards to cars going by, that was one for.
And obviously it depends on the location.
Are we inside?
Are we outside?
If we're inside, we tend to use help.
I've used or ripped up black contractor bags
and use painter's tape to cover over windows.
I've used landscaping fabric to cover over
windows, to help block the light from theoutside,

(36:27):
to help darken up the room.
I've done investigations with just to have
them bare.
And obviously between that and using DVR
cameras, I've in particular for the house onBacon street, there's a room that's known as
the doll room.
There's a major road that's about 50ft rightoutside.
And on a digital recorder, can you hear thehum of a car going by?

(36:48):
Can I hear the roar of the engine?
By all means, yes.
On. On one of the digital recorders.
But I with how I place the cameras, dependingnow that I'm with knowing the layout of the
traffic and with how I have the cameras.
And then with multiple cameras, I can flipback and forth, like right up in front of me
here I have a large screen TV that I usuallyuse.

(37:08):
And I'll put up all eight, all nine cameras,all on one screen.
And I'll play all eight or nine all at thesame time.
And I'll break up the clips from there so Ican see if a car is going by from a certain
way.
Okay, so maybe the shine is related to thatI'm catching.
For example, in the dial room is related tothis particular car going by.
Okay, maybe it's not.
But then sometimes I'll have a car that goes

(37:30):
by and It'll be, for example, 15, 20 secondsafter.
And then I'll have like a weird type of orbthat will go darting by the screen.
And for the dollar in particular.
And I know I have tons of photos and videos onsocial media.
I mean, we were there one time.
I was there shooting B roll and I had a GoPro,

(37:51):
just a hand clamp, a mount kind of pointedover a crib in the doll room.
That's what I nicknamed it because there'sthree dolls in all.
Three dolls are creepy as and they're both.

Speaker A (38:01):
I hate dolls.

Speaker B (38:03):
Well,
One of them's 130, 140 years old.
They know the dial goes back to the mid-1800s
and it's from Germany and there's very few ofthem left in the world.
So I had an EMF meter on one, for example,towards the doll's feet.
And then I would put a digital recordertowards the head.
I have half hour, 45 minutes where the EMFmeter has just pegged red the whole time.

(38:26):
And I've just fast forwarded it and I'velooked at the blueprints.
There's no power lines that are outside.
There's in the floor.
Excuse me.
There's no power lines that are out in frontof the building.
There's no electrical outlets that are in thefront wall or in that particular section.
It's like, okay, so where is this particularenergy coming from?
And this room is very active.

(38:47):
But there's other rooms in the place where
they have two mirrors that are on outsidewalls.
And we're convinced that they're both mirrorsare portals.
And some of the apparitions and some of theweird activity that we've seen coming through,
it's defies logic in a way.
And I'm really excited because one of ournewest members and we've had a huge rapid
expansion in the last month.

(39:08):
Actually, no, about six weeks or so,
I brought on a psychic named Ariel, whocoincidentally has lived in this area for two
years.
Usually one day a week.
In this case it's Monday afternoons.
I usually will have a post that will go outand be like, hey, I still wanted.
I'm looking for additional people.
And in this case I'm still looking foradditional people because I want to grow back

(39:32):
up to having three teams.
Right up until last year I had three teams.
I cut it back over the wintertime.
Some people move, some people didn't want todo it anymore.
And I'm like, you know what it is, what it isso shrunk it Down.
So I want to go back up to the three teams forfurther growth.
But for Ariel in particular,
she's a clairvoyant.
When she filled out my application and sheread over the packet, I was in my living room

(39:56):
and I was, I stopped what I'm doing.
And I remember looking at my phone and I
looked at her application and I have a, Myapplication is pretty easy.
I mean, I have a PDF packet that I ask peopleto read and you have to read it over before
you fill out the app.
And she has a professional resume.
It's like her resume was three pages long.
And I remember,
holy ****. And I, I, I've, ever since thenI've like gushed over her resume because of

(40:22):
how detailed it is.
And then I was like, this is beautiful.
And I spoke with her.
We spoke for like three and a half hours.
I spoke with her like two days later.
We spoke again.
I offered her a position.
And she's like, by all means.
And besides her being such a nice person withher being clairvoyant in being able to see the
dead.
And I tested her on that.
I have one video clip that I've used and I'veused it many times, and she picked out

(40:47):
everything that was on there on thisparticular clip that I know was already there.
And I'm like, okay, so she's the real deal.
And I'm looking forward to having her go to
like the house on Bacon Street, Fort WilliamHenry, which actually for Fort William Henry,
there's a video clip that I just didn't, Ifilmed it last night when we were picking
everything up.
And the,
they were kind of trying to shush me out thedoor.

(41:09):
And at this late, it's already after 11 o'.
Clock.
And the, the two ghost guides, they wanted toget home, but I was filming a quick like 30
seconds long.
I sent it to her at like 2 o' clock thismorning.
So I was like, hey, here's a bunch of clips.
And it's like, look at them.
So she looked at this particular one.
She goes, there's six soldiers that arestanding in the courtyard as you were walking
by.
And they were looking at you and listening to

(41:31):
what you are saying.
And it's like, that's really cool.
And there was a bunch of other ones that Isent where one in particular, she picked out a
woman who saw us coming and she kind ofscurried and walked around a corner.
And by the time we got to the corner, she wasalready gone.
But I mean, last night activity was, wasinteresting beforehand it was, you could feel

(41:52):
the energy.
You could feel the energy building in
shifting.
You could tell that it was peeking around
corners and wondering who we were.
And I,
I tend to, when I go into buildings, I'm like,I know you're here, I can feel you.
And I'll just start talking out loud to try tobuild a comfort factor and a trust factor.
And minute we started, it would, it was peaksand valleys.

(42:14):
It would pop up and of course it would dieright off.
And we,
for our second time slot that we did lastnight, we actually,
A young man actually collapsed in one sectionof what's known as the gunpowder magazine.
And I've seen the video of him from one of theother guests that was there.
And it was the gunpowder magazine.

(42:36):
I mean, it's only like maybe 20ft underground
now.
And maybe when they rebuilt the fort in the
1950s, it's supposedly on the actual footprintof the fort or enclosed.
So for the gunpowder magazine in particular, Imean, you go down this long tunnel and it's
maybe 50ft long or so.
So you can tell you're going underground.
You make a left hand turn, then you makeanother left hand turn and you're under what

(42:59):
would be the north barracks.
And the north barracks were actually bombardedby cannon fire back in 1757 by the French
cannonballs, actually smashed through thewalls back then, destroyed, if I remember
correctly, destroyed the gunpowder magazine.
One of the,
the stories which I've never actually heardbefore until, God, probably about a week or so

(43:19):
ago was actually my newest member, Zach, whowas there with his son.
And he was telling me the story of where hewas there.
And he actually, he originally responded to meof.
Because I had a photo on the fort.
And he was like, hey, I've captured this.
Do you mind looking at it?
So we kind of just stuck up a conversation andI was like, well, hey, if you're ever
interested in investigating and research, I'mlooking for people.

(43:41):
So he filled out an application, I recruitedhim, I brought him on.
But for his video clip, he had a.
His son was saying, I'm going to light a matchand what will happen if I light a match?
And he stops speaking and you can hear theshuffling of feet and you can hear like a
whisper right afterwards.
So we, I actually was replicating it lastnight in between having EMF meters and

(44:03):
obviously two digital recorders and there wascameras rolling.
And I actually, I asked them beforehand, it'slike, hey, do you mind if I'm.
When I'm in the gunpowder magazine, I know,there's nothing that's there that's gunpowder
oriented.
And they're like, yeah, just be careful with
it.
So I actually started all this before this
young man actually collapsed.
And I had necrophonic actually going at thetime.

(44:25):
And some of the interaction that was comingthrough, and you.
It got quiet for a limit.
And one of the.
One of the rules that I put in place years agois we don't instigate.
And it's like, no provoking by any means.
I'll push the limit.
I'll use reverse psychology.
And it's an individual thing among all of us.
And if we think we're going too far, any oneof us can be like, all right, let's cut back a

(44:48):
little bit.
And I pushed it.
I pushed it as far as I felt willing to go.
And I was like, I got a lighter.
I got a lighter.
And I'm like, what was.
What's going to happen?Different guests were reporting that you could
hear shuffling.
You could hear what sounded like tapping on
wood.
There was.
And I mean, the tapping on wood could beanything.
It could be the building shifting.
It could be maybe somebody leaning against it.

(45:10):
That was.
That we couldn't see.
But this was some of the things that.
Around the corner that I was being told, and I
was holding a lighter, and I was actuallysparking it.
And roughly around the same time that thisyoung man actually collapsed.
And coincidentally, he's actually a familyfriend.
Friends of ours live nearby, and they're like,hey, we bought tickets.
And their daughter wanted to go.
Cause she's all into the paranormal.

(45:31):
And we've been camping buddies for the lastcouple of years.
And so they came, and it was his stepson thatactually collapsed.
And from what I've been told, and fromwatching the video, you can see him.
He's like.
Takes off his hat, and he's very fidgety, like
a minute or two beforehand, and he's movingaround a little bit, and he kind of leans
against the wall and just see him go down.

(45:53):
That particular video clip that was sent tome, I actually sent it over to Ariel.
And I'm like, so what do you see?And she's like, well,
there's a name that's coming through.
Because I asked, what's your name?
And she goes, I'm picking up the name.
I want to say.
She said, peter.
But there was also another older man that came
through that answered the question as well.
But when.
When the young man actually collapsed, a
spirit said, drink water.

(46:14):
And I was told that at towards the end of the
clip, right after that part, the.
The apparition that was near him, actually,that dissipates and fades out of sight.
And I'm like, that's actually really cool.
So I'm looking forward to next time we go
there,
of having her with us to, hey, I'm seeingthis.
And some of the things that she's told me thatshe sees, I even wonder about.

(46:34):
She was telling me things that she was seeingin some of the clips, and I'm like, well, I
didn't see anything.
Felt lots of review last night,
but I didn't see this.
And it's like, well, that kind of defies what
I'm being told that I'm still trying to wrapmy head around.

Speaker A (46:49):
Yeah. So that leads me to a question here that I always ask paranormal
investigators.
Because people, I guess you have to understand
if you're not a paranormal investigators,there are risks that come with this, Bill.
Like, what are.
What are your thoughts on the potential
dangers of certain types of paranormalactivity?
And then how do you mitigate those risks?I mean, how do you keep everyone safe on your

(47:13):
team as well as you safe, too, in a situationthat, again, might get a little out of hand?

Speaker B (47:20):
It's a fine line.
Every one of us has different practices that
we'll use.
For example, for my wife and I, before we even
go into any location.
And it's like, we'll do the usual.
I mean, I grew up Catholic, so it's the usual.
Our Father, the Hail Mary, and just a quick
prayer.
It's like,
be like, father, please cast a white lightaround us, bless us and protect us, and keep

(47:42):
us safe from the harm and evil that might bethere.
And,
I mean, we said that last night when we wentin there.
And then obviously when we leave and I've be.
I've made it standard practice for everybody
that, hey, we're all Palo Santo or sage orboth.
And it's like, I'd rather us be safe in.
I mean, have I had things come home?
Yes.

(48:02):
I've been to a neighboring cemetery for
Oakwood Cemetery.
That's in Troy.
I mean,
beautiful cemetery,
incredibly haunted cemetery.
And I was there three years ago, and I brought
home.
Even though I cleansed myself, obviously I
didn't cleanse myself good enough.
And it's still attached, or maybe it even hung

(48:22):
it attached to a piece of equipment.
And for several nights afterwards, I canremember anytime I closed my eyes, and I
didn't feel weird or anything, but anytime Iclosed my eyes, I saw an old woman who was in
black and white,
who her hair was down to, I'll say mid chinhanging in front of her face.
And she looked like she was ****** and she wasvery upset.

(48:45):
Maybe she was trying to tell me a story ormaybe she was mad because I disturbed her or
something like that.
But for about 3, 4 days time frame she was.
She was with me.
And then one morning I woke up and she wasgone.
I've laid in bed at night.
I've heard a little, little boy's voice in myleft ear because I'll fall asleep on my left
side saying I'm still here at that sameparticular cemetery and knocking on wood.

(49:08):
I've.
The last couple years have been really good.
If there's anything I'll leave.
It's very rare that I leave equipment in my
garage.
But if there's anything, occasionally I'll
leave it out there.
I've left it outside in.
I tend.
Some investigators bring haunted objects intotheir home.
I refuse to bring object into my home justbecause it's my sanctuary.
I have my daughter here, I have my wife here.

(49:30):
Do spirits don't come in?Yes, I've seen apparitions in my house.
My house is only 55 years old.
And I mean, it just goes to prove it.
Age doesn't matter for.
For a structure, but for.
The apparition that I saw in my house was
three winters ago.
I think it was three or four winters ago.
And I was remodeling our master bathroom andhad it gutted.
So we have to walk through the other side ofthe house.

(49:51):
And it was around Christmas time.
I got up like 2, 3 o' clock in the morning.
I don't remember like for example, like whatday of the week it was other than like for,
I'll say two to three o'.
Clock.
And walking through my kitchen, I'm standingat the threshold for my living room and
looking towards the front door.
And our front door has an oval glass in it.
And I remember seeing the Christmas lights on
outside and I could see the white of the snow.

(50:13):
And what first drew my attention was I could
make out an apparition standing.
And I don't know if it was male or woman justbecause of the lighting.
And it was so translucent that I could makeout a head.
I could make out hair that was down to almostshoulders.
And I remember seeing like black and whitehair.

(50:34):
And then from the shoulders down it completelydissipated.
You couldn't see anything.
And I was in such a deep sleep, I was like, I
don't have time for this, I have to pee.
It was not until I was washing my hands and Iwas like, what did I just say?
And for the next several nights, I woke up atthe same exact time trying to replicate it.
And it drives me crazy that I. But I didn'tfeel anything.

(50:56):
I didn't hear anything.
And I was just so tired, in.
In such a daze.
And I just kind of stood there looking at it,
and it didn't.
It didn't move.
It didn't do anything.
It just kind of stood there.
And the only thing I could think of was
obviously remodeling a house or any locationyou might stir something up.
So I'm like, all right, maybe I stirredsomething up that was from this, or maybe it
was a traveling spirit that was comingthrough.

Speaker A (51:17):
Yeah, exactly.
And that's another thing.
People have the misconception your house hasto build.
I don't know.
They got built in the 1800s and, you know,
blah, blah, blah, it's haunted kind of thing.
No, I've interviewed people where they build a
new house.
I mean, it's like five years old.
And they.
They see shadow people, and they.
They've had interactions and everything with

(51:39):
different spirits.
And I think that's fascinating to me becauseyou're like, well, gotta remember, it's very
sad to say this, but basically everywhere inthe country,
with exception of a few places, are NativeAmerican burial grounds.
Because,
unfortunately,
again,
you know, we were not very nice to the NativeAmericans.

(52:01):
Everybody.
That's not a secret.
But. But really, you don't know.
I mean, if you're living in certain areas, you
might be on a Native American American burialground.
And when these houses were being built, peoplewere like,
you know, normally you have to stop and youhave to bring in a team of archeologists or
somebody to take a look.
But that's not always the case.

(52:22):
There's numerous stories out there wherepeople are like, why am I having all these
issues?
And then they bring someone out to do someresearch, and they find out you're on a Native
American burial site or grounds where therewere severe battles or something like that.
So before we wrap up here, one of thequestions is, I always ask paranormal

(52:44):
investigators, too, is do you do personalinvestigations?
In other words, if someone calls you and says,bill, I think something's going on in my
house, could you please come over and check itout?

Speaker B (52:54):
Yes. Yeah, okay.
I do.
I actually, there was one that we consultedwith, which.
And it wasn't the normal one where a phonecall or a text message and I Mean, for all our
social media accounts, I have them all syncedtogether.
So any message doesn't matter if it's TikTok,Facebook,
through our, our website, or even,
let's see, Instagram.

(53:15):
They're all interconnected.
It's going to come across on my phone.
And I was looking online one night in this
particular case, Dave Schrader had a messageabout,
does anybody live in New York?So there's a bunch of people that responded to
his post, and I followed him for years, and Ilove this content.
He's such an awesome guy.
And so I responded back to the message and Iwas like, yeah, I'm actually based an hour

(53:37):
south of there.
I'm definitely very interested.
And a couple days later, I got a phone callfrom some number I didn't realize.
I thought it was like a scammer trying to sellme, like a car warranty.
And she left me a message and stuff like that.
And it was an older woman, and I have her.
I kept her phone number safe and she sent melike a bunch of videos.
And I talked with her, and she was telling meabout this particular house that she lives in

(54:00):
in this particular town that she lives in.
And my wife and I have actually driven up thatway.
Her town has a lot of activity.
It's way up north towards the Lake Champlain.
I mean, one of the largest lakes in the UnitedStates.
Like 125 miles long, and it's like severalmiles wide at the latest point.
And it's beautiful up there.
So you wouldn't think for this little town

(54:23):
being so incredibly plotted as it.
As it is,
but she was telling the story about, for thelast couple years, she's been terrified to see
shadow figures, poltergeist activity, doorsopen, doors close.
And she sent a bunch of videos through.
And I was.
I talked with her.

(54:43):
We started talking about it, and I was like,
okay, before we actually drive up to consultand spend two hours driving up, be there the
whole day, two hours driving back.
Let me do video.
And so we initially started with video,
and I had Ariel look it over, and she's like,there's definitely activity that's there.
She's like, this is the type of spot thatwhether it's the house or the land, there's a

(55:07):
negative energy which is on this particularproperty.
And I can remember in one of the videos shesent me, she's like, whenever I'm in this
particular room, I have a shadow figurecharges me, and she's like, I won't go in this
room.
The Only time I go in it at nighttime, she haddoors that were padlocked shut because she was
petrified about having them open.

(55:28):
And after looking at all the videos and shewas like, there's definitely a negative
energy.
There's definitely spirits that are here.
And we were on the cusp of going up toinvestigate, but at the same time, Frank, she
was also getting ready to move out.
And her main question was, hey, if I, if Imove out, is this going to follow me?

Speaker A (55:45):
Yeah.

Speaker B (55:45):
And I, I spoke with her one morning for.
Actually went to work.
And I was like, might it.
Yes.
And I'm like, but the best thing you can do is
to actually sanitize yourself.
You say, choose Palo Santo.
And she goes, I'm Catholic.
I'm actually going to go to take and go see mylocal priest tomorrow.
And one of the things that she actually saidto me that she actually had her local priest

(56:06):
come to the house and he was going to bus herinside the home.
And she told me in one of the video messages,just as I'm looking at my camera and I
remember her looking right at her phone andshe's like,
while he was getting ready to bless me, shecould hear a male voice in her ear saying,
don't do it.
And I was like, that is really creepy.

(56:27):
And I was like, let's start out with this.
And it's like, if the activity continues and
then by all means we'll come up.
And I was telling my wife about it.
And coincidentally, it's a small, very smalltown.
We were about a half a mile away, threequarters of a mile away, and there's an old.
It's now a public building, but at the backthen it was the headquarters for a major
company that was up that way and notoriouslyhaunted.

(56:49):
The footsteps, people are touched.
One of the.
There's a museum right next door and multipleinstances of people looking up to the third
floor window and they would see a man or awoman looking down at them in full color.
Well, the only difference is more on the thirdfloor, those windows, the bottom of the
windows, six foot six and a half feet up inthe air.

(57:11):
And I'm six three and I can't even see out thewindow.
So you'd have to be 10ft in the air.

Speaker A (57:16):
Wow.

Speaker B (57:16):
I mean, the,
the.
For the building itself, haunted, without a
doubt.
And there's actually photos that I, I know I
have still online of where I'm actually up ina.
I'm going to call it a widow's walk, but up inthe cupola and very narrow, sketchy staircase.
I mean the boards are like half an inch thickand to the point where I could actually look

(57:38):
down through the framing and see down like30ft.
And you can see like people's initials likewritten on the boards and like talking ****.
And there's a window that's on the right handside.
And I was standing there and I was.
We were using.
Might have been necrophonic.
It was one of the apps or spirit us and we
were using one of the apps and I was askingdifferent questions, I was recording what the

(58:01):
responses were.
And we had a digital recorder that was sittingup on the landing up there.
And a male voice comes through and it saysit's time to fly.
And the only thing that I can think of is it'sreferring to the window which is right next to
me, wanting to push me out the window downbelow.
And I remember looking out the window saying,holy ****, it's a long way down.
Yeah,
but that place is, is amazing.

(58:22):
And just to be in so close proximity for both
places, we definitely got to get back up.

Speaker A (58:27):
Yeah, it definitely sounds like something you need to further investigate.
You know, I always think it's really hard fora paranormal investigator to investigate a
personal residents because let's be honest,you.
You might drive two hours and do someinvestigation.
And this is oversimplified.
It might be they have a boiler in their

(58:48):
basement and it's just an old boiler.
It's just weird, you know what I mean?
Like a boiler furnace or, or, or pipes or.
You know what I mean, that you just debunk it
right away.
Right?
You're like,
yeah, I'm sorry, it's tight.

Speaker B (59:02):
Is very true.
But at the same time frame it's like.
And there's different methodologies that areout there.
Do you want to do the research beforehand andgather all the, all the information?
I tend to use the word intelligence a lot.
So I'm like, gather all the intelligence or do
you want to go on the investigation cleanslate and then do the research afterwards?
I've gone both ways.

(59:23):
And then a few years ago I started switching
things over to all the information first.
And we tend to use a lot of.
I have a whole proprietary system that I useand there are certain specific things that I
look for.
But on average our case files are two, two anda half, three inches thick.
Do I use all the material?No. But a lot of the information that I gather

(59:46):
from there, I would rather have a print out ofpossible names of people who have lived in A
house so I can ask target specific questionsto try to elicit a targeted response,
an intelligent response compared to.
If you are male, can you speak into the
digital recorder and what is your name?Blah blah, blah.

(01:00:06):
Like no, I want to know if it's.
For example, I'll use Colonel Sanders.
But is it, is it Colonel Sanders?
Do you inhabit this?Like are, are you upset?
Why is this activity and it doing veryspecific questions.
And even for the, for the fort,
my stack is about this thick in name, oldmaps,

(01:00:29):
geological surveys.
Even if there's fault lines that are locatednearby.
Does it have a limestone foundation?Is there limestone that's in the ground?
How close is it?Well, in this case for the fort, I mean
obviously major traumatic event.
The whole village of Lake George, hugetraumatic event.
You have smallpox, cemeteries,
you have what?They don't have accurate numbers.

(01:00:51):
I'll just say 25 people that were scalped.
And I mean there's written accounts out there
of the actual British surgeon that was in thesick bay for this, which turned out to be for
smallpox.
And Indians came in and they were justscalping everybody, dragging them out and they
were scalping them right outside of thehospital.
And obviously they would make off with theirscalp or in some cases they, they were

(01:01:15):
beheaded.
And unfortunately.
And it's, it's sad for, with what went on back
there.
But now I tend to, I tend to utilize a lot of
research and it works very well for it and Iactually enjoy doing the whole research
process.
But even for the, even after the fact, I meanbetween storing the cases, not only on a

(01:01:36):
portable hard drive, I tend to use a cloudserver.
So that way any members of my team, I can givethem access to that particular file anytime
that I want revoke it,
I can change whatever their settings might be,but I'll keep in there.
And everything has a subfolder.
So I'll have like a case name and my for
example will be 25-dash-025 25 is just theyear in 025 is the number of cases so far that

(01:02:03):
we're in for that year.
But I'll have it subdivided.
I'll have it for dvr, I'll have it for digital
recorders and inside the digital recorders andI have it broken down again and I have each of
our digital recorders is labeled so I knowwhat particular piece of audio was in what
particular device and where exactly thatdevice was in said location.

(01:02:23):
But on top of that then we started using newertechnology like lidar, like scanning software,
so we can Be in,
for example, a location, and we can 3D scanthe entire location.
And I can pull it up on a computer screen.
I can spin it 360 degrees.
I can zoom into a particular room, look at itin color.

(01:02:46):
And so I can.
If there's a detail that's missing or I can'tremember where it was.
And be, for example, D R6 for Digital Recorder6.
Well, okay, it was in the dining room and.
Okay, I know where it was.
Well, let me.
Let me look at the 3D scan so I can see whereexactly I had it at that time.
I'm trying to work it into our investigationsmore for evidence presentation.

(01:03:13):
Excuse me, but I want to utilize the softwarebecause about two years ago, we came up with
the concept for a paranormal documentaryseries called the reaper chronicles where we
combine cutting edge techniques with soundprinciples, such as,
for example, the 3D scanning.
Being able to utilize that and zoom into a

(01:03:34):
location to start a documentary.
So, like, the house on bacon street is onethere.
Let's see.
House on bacon street for the fort.
That is going to be another one.
Who killed white feather to leap rainwalker is
another one.
I got about five other ones that have kind ofboredom over my shoulder in different stages
and different concepts where, I mean, foreverybody puts videos on YouTube.

(01:03:57):
Okay, it's an hour.
It's 90 minutes.
Well, we wanted to do it differently.
We wanted to make inside each documentary.
While overall it's a documentary, there's
going to be multiple episodes that completethe whole documentary.
So that way you get more.
More product.
Just under one title.
And we're really looking forward to getting
back to that later this year.

(01:04:19):
But I mean, for the next.
For the.
Until the end of October, we're going to bebusy.
I mean, I have you today.
In another couple weeks, we're back at the
fort.
Two weeks after that, we're at a jail.
The week after that, we're back at the fort.
And then it's.
It keeps bouncing around between differentcases through the end of October, and I'm
already planning out into January.

Speaker A (01:04:39):
I love that.
I love that, that it sounds amazing.
So one question before we go that I ask allparanormal investigators.
If I gave you the unlimited checkbook bill,you could go anywhere you want.
And in the world,
what would be your number one bucket listplace you want to investigate?

Speaker B (01:04:59):
See, that's a tough one.
And that's one that you really can't give oneanswer to.
I could name like four or five off the top ofmy head if I was going to Pick one.
I would probably,
I mean, Hinsdale House is like four hours fromme and we're actually going to be there later
on this year, so I won't use that.
I was going to say that I'd probably.

(01:05:19):
Waverly Hills,
hands down most favorite location ever.
I love the size of it and the whole grand
tour.
The building is just massive.
And I mean we've all watched episodes from
everybody that's been right.
I've.
From every episode in my head, I would, I
would make notes.

(01:05:39):
I'm like, oh, you know what?
I really like what they did with it.
And I remember for one of the episodes inparticular, they were using drones and it had
a thermal camera on it.
So they were watching a drone, but they, they
were looking for a thermal activity ondifferent floors.
And I'm like, you know what actually be reallycool is to take a drone.
And I mean obviously you would.
It would take multiple batteries to be able to

(01:06:01):
do it, but to actually have the drone whileyou're on that particular floor filming from
the outside.
So if you're going from right to left toactually pan across the screen with you and
like, you know, that would actually be likereally cool and that'd be kind of fun to
probably Waverly Hills, but even near me and Iknow it's part of a state park so I can't gain
access to it.
There's a old prison which was on top of amountain near me called Mount McGregor and

(01:06:26):
very, very small.
They closed.
It was an old medium security prison theyclosed on a couple years ago.
And it's a granite mountain.
So we have granite for the material stone tape
theory.
Back in the late 1800s, it used to be a five
star resort.
Had a two story hotel which was there.
The hotel burned down once they rebuilt it.
That was 1885. 87 it was reopened again.

(01:06:49):
It burnt down again.
In the 1900s, an insurance company put in asanatorium on top of the mountain for the
whole concept for the fresh air.
And it stayed that way for a period of time.
Then it became a prison within the prisongrounds.
And here's where it's weird.
There's President Grant's cottage, which is

(01:07:09):
inside the.
Inside the gates.
My one newest member, Zach was actually wentthere yesterday and actually later tonight I
got to give him a call up on it because he wasfreaking out over he was using different apps
and he was with his son and they were goingthrough there and.
But there's President Grant's college, whichis rumored to be haunted with the housekeeper.
And she looks over the place.
But he was getting really weird responses.

(01:07:31):
Really weird activity on the grounds that arethere.
But for the actual prison itself.
You have.
All this is here.
I mean, okay, it's a medium security prison.
Do I know if anybody died there?No, but you think of the number of people that
have been there in over their lifetime, plusthe sanatorium where people didn't die,
which does in fact still have a body shootbecause there's a tunnel which goes from one

(01:07:54):
of the main buildings underneath the mainroad, which leads me into.
Zach actually messaged me yesterday and hegoes, hey, I'm getting like this really weird
**** coming through.
And I'm in one spot and I'm like, okay, well,where are you?
And I called him up and I was.
It's 87 degrees here and I'm putting stuff in
the back of back of my expedition.
And because we were getting ready to drive uptowards Lake George for the fort last night,

(01:08:18):
and I'm like, all right, so what's going on?We're talking about it.
And so I was telling them all this and I'mlike, well, there's a body chute which is
through there.
And he's getting responses of,
I fell in a cave, I died.
There's bodies that are around me.
And as far as I'm aware, I don't.
I want to say there's no caves that are near
there, but I know there's a body shoot and Iknow there's tunnels and there's a tunnel

(01:08:39):
network under the complex which is.
Which is still there.
But it's like for Mount McGregor itself.
And I mean, it's now part of State Park.
They have fences everywhere in.
Last I knew.
I want to say they still have cameras and I
know it's regularly patrolled, but I'm like,you know what?
It's like.
I would love to go up there and just to see
what I personally experience.
I mean, I'm only 30 minutes away from there.

(01:09:01):
I've gone hiking on the backside of themountain that's there.
I've never actually gone up towards the fenceitself to check it out, but I do know that one
of the reported sightings that's there is of alittle girl that's routinely seen wearing a
yellowish type of dress inside the prisonwalls.
And people have reported seeing her inside theprison itself staring out from inside the

(01:09:23):
prison.
Which really makes wondering.
But I would love to be able to go.
If I could go anywhere you can get.
I could get access to there I would go there
in a heartbeat just because, well, a, it'slocal and nobody's ever been there before.

Speaker A (01:09:36):
Wow. Yeah, that.
That sounds really good.
I haven't heard of that one.
That's a good one.
I always tell people I'm still stuck inTransylvania.
I want to go to Dracula's castle.
I want to check that out and see what I. Iwould.

Speaker B (01:09:50):
I would love to maybe someday to be able to do that.
But I'm like, you know what?There's so many places that are around here.

Speaker A (01:09:56):
Very true.

Speaker B (01:09:57):
And it's like, I love the large locations, but over the last couple years, I'm
like, you know what?I really like the lesser known places.
And I kind of have.
I've switched philosophies over the years and
I'm like, well, hey, we can do Rolling Hills,we can do Hinsdale.
We can go conjuring House.
We can go here, we can go there.
And I. My claim to fame over the last coupleof years is organically growing cases.

(01:10:19):
I tend to call em virgin properties forinvestigators that have never been there
before.
And I mean, last year we had four that werejust like this.
And a lot of it is by doing the research andfor example, what's around here or neighboring
towns or even outside of New York itself, andactually doing the legwork instead of, hey,
well, let's go here,

(01:10:40):
because it's haunted.
And it's like.
My response is, well, hey, how about youactually do research and find a location and
actually work the location to try to gainaccess because.
Because there's another new location that youmight be able.
That might be more haunted than, for example,Waverly Hills or Hinsdale or a Rolling Hills
or some of the other locations that are outthere.

Speaker A (01:11:01):
Yeah, absolutely.
So thank you so much, Bill.
I could talk to you forever.
This was amazing.
Yeah, this is amazing.
And I appreciate you with your paranormal
hangover.
Now you can relax, go to your pool and have a
beverage.

Speaker B (01:11:18):
I'm pretty wired right now.
I'm like, Eric, between the coffee and, and
chatting, I know that once I stop and Iactually decompress a little bit, I'll be
like,
I just want to like float in a raft with likea beer and do nothing for like an hour.

Speaker A (01:11:30):
That sounds great.
That sounds awesome.
So if you could tell my spooky friends wherethey can find you and view some of this great
material that you have out.
And that is coming up.

Speaker B (01:11:42):
So we're on.
We have accounts on Facebook, Instagram,
TikTok or through.
Through our website itself.
Website address is Grim reaper paranormal,all1word.com.
And the Grim Reaper Paranormal on all acrosssocial media is also one word.
I know there's a couple different grim reapersthat are out there which usually have spaces
in the name.

(01:12:02):
I tend to have my logo, which is on mywebsite.
That's how in the logo is the same across allof them.
Or if you actually head to my website atNiwana,
I remember correctly, it's actually at thebottom.
I have hot links to all the social media.

Speaker A (01:12:16):
Love it.
And, you know, please let your team know,
Bill, if they want to come on the podcast.
You know, you can just send me a. You can just
DM me or whatever because I'd love to havedifferent members of the team on.
They're more than welcome.
If you want to be like, hey, why don't you go
on and, you know, get on John's podcast.
I'd love to support you any way I can for my

(01:12:39):
spooky friends.
Once this comes out, all of Bill's links andeverything will be in the episode notes.
So you can go and please support him andplease do everything.
You know, if you have anything you want totalk to him about.
I'm sure, Bill, you would love to hear frompeople you know and see how maybe you can
help.

Speaker B (01:12:58):
I love chatting about anything with the paranormal.
I mean, I can.

Speaker A (01:13:04):
Love it.
Well, thank you again so much again.
Enjoy your rest of the day once you decompressand everything.
And I'm looking forward to maybe having youback on sometime and talking about further
investigation.

Speaker B (01:13:17):
Definitely.

Speaker A (01:13:18):
All right, well, thanks a lot, Bill, and you stay spooky.

Speaker B (01:13:22):
Thank you for having me.

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