Getting Freaky with Tommy from Let’s Get Freaky Podcast

A paranormal deep dive across the pond — ghost stories, haunted houses, cryptids, UK pub spirits, and why the paranormal “looks back.”

In this chilling and high-energy episode of Dairyland Frights, John welcomes Tommy, host of the UK hit Let’s Get Freaky Podcast, for a transatlantic paranormal conversation packed with ghost stories, cryptid encounters, haunted history, and personal experiences that shaped both podcasters’ passion for the unexplained.

Tommy shares terrifying childhood encounters inside his haunted family home, including a full-body apparition, strange noises, missing objects, and a mysterious Shakespeare-looking man who appeared beside his bunk bed. We explore how these early experiences sparked his lifelong fascination with the paranormal and led to the creation of his 300-episode podcast.

The pair dive into:

• Haunted houses in the UK vs. the Midwest

• The mysterious woman in white and UK pub hauntings

• Modern hauntings caught on camera

• Why some spirits follow you home

• Dogman, Bigfoot, the Beast of Bray Road, and cryptid-alien theories

• Paranormal investigation dangers and attachment stories

• Mediums, shadow figures, and ghosts showing up during podcast interviews

• The eerie idea that when you look into the paranormal, it looks back

This episode blends scares, humor, folklore, and real-life encounters, perfect for fans of ghosts, cryptids, and the unexplained.

Episode Transcript

Speaker A (00:00):
Foreign.
Welcome to Dairyland Frights, the paranormalpodcast that covers everything creepy, spooky

(00:20):
and mysterious in the Midwest.
And today,
from, as they say over the pond,
I have Tommy from Let's Get Freaky podcast.
Welcome, Tommy.

Speaker B (00:30):
Hello, sir.
It's a pleasure to be here, man.
Thank you very much.
We're gonna get freaky tonight, brother.
Let's go.

Speaker A (00:35):
All right.
I love it.
I love it.
We'll get Freaky.
By the way, in the States, that can mean alot.

Speaker B (00:52):
I know, I know.
And I've got that.
I've had that.
Because obviously when I made the show,
I went through all these names and let's GetFreaky was like the name that I went for,
obviously.
And I did get a little bit of that.
Like, people thinking it's, you know, theother kind of freaky.
I'm like, no, no, it's.
It's paranormal, man.
Ghost encrypted.
And that's, you know.

Speaker A (01:08):
Yes,
yes.
Yeah. So, like, I've had a few of my UKfriends,
paranormal friends on there.
And I told Tommy before,
I love you guys because not only you greatpeople,
but you have interesting stories and love thehistory.
I'm a big history guy.

(01:30):
We're going to talk a little bit about.
Before we get into the topic and other things,
I'm going to talk a little bit to Tommy abouthis podcast.
I am amazed.
You have over 300 episodes.
You have 300 great episodes.
I haven't listened to them all, but I will.
I promise you that.

Speaker B (01:45):
Thank you, man.

Speaker A (01:47):
I have a long commute to work,
so I love to listen to all my friends,
you know.
Let me ask you this.
You kind of talked a little bit about it.
Why did you want to.
What inspired you to do a podcast?
Like, why did you want to do one?

Speaker B (02:01):
Well, a little bit like you.
When I. When I used to.
When I was living in London, where I used to.
Well, in Essex, where I used to live,
I live in Dorset now in the uk, which is nottoo far.
It's about two hours from London.
But I used to.
I used to have a long commute to work everyday, so it used to take me about an hour and a
half to get from door to work every day.
So I would spend a lot of time listening topodcasts, and a lot of the time that was

(02:21):
paranormal because I'm interested in theparanormal.
So I just started listening to these greatshows.
There's so many great shows out there, youknow,
And I just really got into the subject moreand I thought, I want to start Talking about
this stuff, man.
And, you know, it was always a big dream to.
To have my own podcast.
It took me quite a while, really.
And then once, you know, 2020 kind of happenedand everything went a bit crazy.

(02:42):
The world went crazy and I was like,
tomorrow is not guaranteed anymore, so let'sstart a podcast and let's just do it now and
let's just see what happens and just have funand just enjoy it.
I still don't really know what I'm doing, butI'm enjoying it and that's it.
I meet great people like you, so it's great,man.

Speaker A (02:58):
Yeah, yeah.
And back at you.
I just love my, like, my UK friends and beingable to talk to different people from
different countries because we're all thesame,
really, when it comes to the paranormal,right?

Speaker B (03:11):
Absolutely.

Speaker A (03:12):
We love the paranormal.
We find it interesting.
So.
So I have to ask you this.
When's your first paranormal experience?
Do you remember how old you were and whathappened?

Speaker B (03:22):
There's been a few.
There's been a few.
I have to say.
I've had a few experiences.

Speaker A (03:27):
Been a bit freaky.

Speaker B (03:28):
I've had a few freaky experiences.
It's quite weird because when I started let's
Get Freaky, I kind of wrote down all thethings I'd experienced because I'm terrible
with, like, years, dates and stuff like that.
But I've got all these memories and I waslike, man, I never thought of myself as
someone that had had a lot of experiences anduntil I started talking about it and people
are like, you've had a lot.
And I have really.
I've always been one of those, like a lot of

(03:50):
kids.
I was very scared of the dark growing up.
Very scared of monsters under my bed.
Like. Like a lot of kids.
And I still am scared of the dark.
But we grew up in a. In a haunted house.
When I was.
When I was around the age of like, 7, 8, 9,10, that kind of age.
We left when I was 12.
But a lot of weird stuff happened in this
house.
You know, weird noises, you'd hear someonewalking around at night when everyone was in

(04:13):
bed, Things used to go missing.
But the main thing was, like, most of the
time, there was just sometimes this energy ofsomething's there, you know, and the whole
family felt it.
You know, it was me, my brother, my mum, mydad.
We all kind of felt it.
And it wasn't until we left the house when I
was 12 that we all kind of spoke about.
I remember my dad saying, I'm glad we got outof that house.
But there was this, there was a couple of bigthings that happened in there that really kind

(04:35):
of cemented my,
my knowing.
I know this.
I don't know what the paranormal is, but I
know that there's more going on.
So when I was around about the age of 10,
me and my brother shared a room and we hadbunk beds and I was on the top bunk, he was on
the bottom bunk.
And as I said, I was a terrible kid with a
dark.
At night.
If I woke up during the night I would run into
my mum and dad's room and try and get in bedwith them.

(04:57):
So I was just always very scared.
So this particular night I've woken up and wehad Fred Flintstone curtains on our,
on our bedroom.
The whole room was like a Flintstone theme atthe time.
I don't know why I'm saying that, but that's,that's what it was.
But you could see the street lights coming inthrough into the room and this particular.

(05:18):
I woke up and I'm like Fred Flint Zone andBarney Rubble everywhere in my room.
But I've looked down at my desk and there's aman sitting there at my desk, a full bodied
apparition.
And he was kind of like sitting there with hishead in his fist, looking up in like kind of
my direction.
But he didn't move.
I don't know if he could see me.
He didn't seem to, to blink or acknowledge meor anything like that, but he was there and I

(05:41):
wasn't thinking ghost.
You know, I'm just, I've just screamed, you
know, mom, like there's a man in my room.
And I was too.
I couldn't even get out of my bed.
I was just, I was so scared.
My mum's come in and obviously she's like
trying to calm me down and I can still seethis dude sitting there and he's not moved.
He's not moved at all.
It can still.
He's as solid as me and you are right now.
Not safe or anything like that.

(06:02):
The only thing that was weird, he kind oflooked like.
When. When people ask what he looked like, Isay he looked like William Shakespeare.
That was like, that was like he's, he's.
When I see William Shakespeare now, it's like
it kind of takes me.
I'm not saying it was William Shakespeare.
Yeah, it takes me back to that because he had
like long brown hair, a little beard, youknow, he's wearing like this old style suit,
brown suit with brown boots and had like thiswhite, you know, I don't even know what it

(06:27):
was,
but, like, sort of thing around his neck,like, very much like how Shakespeare looks.
That's how he looks.
And I'm going to my mom, there's a man and she
couldn't see him.
She's gone over to the corner of the room andI don't know if she's gone for him or anything
like that, but she's come back to me and she'sgone.
There's no one there, like.
And she's got a little bit angry and she'll.
I say this every time, but she will hear thispodcast and she will apologize again, because

(06:48):
she does every time she hears me talk aboutthis.
And she.
She made me stay in my room.
She said, you're not getting out your room.
You've got to start.
You got to start staying in your room.
Because I was.
I was always getting up for the night andgetting in their bed.
But I'm like, mom, there's a man in the room.
But somehow she made me stay in the room.
And I was terrified.
And I just remember going under my covers and
just sweating.
And every now and again I would look and hewas still there.

(07:10):
He was still.
He didn't change, didn't move at all.
Just was there.
And for the whole night I was just looking,looking, still there, sweating, just
terrified.
And then somehow I fell asleep that night.
Don't know how, but I fell asleep that night,woke up, obviously, I've looked straight away,
it's light in the room.
No one was there.
Never saw that man again.
Did have.
I did have other weird experiences in that.

(07:31):
In that house.
But that was like the big experience for me.
That was like, you know, this is.
And some people say to me, you know, you couldhave been dreaming, but it wasn't a dream
because my mum was there.
She remembers me calling her in.
It wasn't my imagination because I think, youknow, if I was seeing something like that, I
would see that more often.
You know, I would have thought if it was myimagination.
And there was, as I say, there was a lot ofweird stuff that happened in that house as

(07:53):
well.

Speaker A (07:54):
Yeah. So weird stuff meaning, like, did you ever feel like you were in danger or
was it more like playful, like you're missingkeys and like.

Speaker B (08:06):
Yeah, you know what? It was actually quite.
You know, when I look back,
it was quite.
It was quite a danger kind of feeling.
I'm not saying whatever it was, was evil, Idon't know, but we all had that feeling.
Of it was a scary feeling.
It was.
It was like a dark feeling.
Because I remember when we left that house,
I remember the first night in our new house.
I was 12 years old,

(08:27):
and I remember I had my own room,
and there was no. No wind, no curtains on thewindow, so it was really light coming in.
But I remember laying in my bed on my own formy first time in my own room, and that was
quite a big deal for me, so.
Was so scared of the dark.
I remember, like, laying there and not being
scared and thinking that this is quitestrange, that I feel at peace because I'm in a

(08:47):
new room, I'm in a new house.
I should be like, this should be weird, butit's not, so.
And that's just something that I'm, you know,I remember, and I think that's kind of
strange.
But my brother also in the same room, so where
I saw the man, my brother woke up one morenight.
And my brother's a lot more skeptical than me.
So when you talk to my brother about this,
he's like, yeah, but, you know, he will.

(09:07):
You know, he's.
He will admit that the house was weird, but hestill thinks possibly this was a dream.
But I don't know.
But in the same area that I saw the man, he
saw two red eyes.
And he said they just started, like, floating
towards him and then disappeared.
And I say to him, that's probably.
I don't know.
I can't say it's his experience.
I can't say he's not dreaming.
But, you know, as I say, he's a lot moreskeptical to me, but I tend to think that that

(09:30):
was something.
Something to that as well.

Speaker A (09:33):
Yeah. And that's hard when you're young because it shapes you, right?
It shapes you.
You're, I guess, pretty lucky in the sense of.
I've spoken to people who.
Their parents would dismiss it just be like,oh, it's a dream, or whatever.
And.
And then when they leave, they're like eight,you know, maybe like, you know, later on in

(09:54):
life or whatever.
18, 19 years old.
They're like, parents come clean.
And they're like, hey, yeah, it was haunted.
And we believe the demon was in the basement.
Like, what the hell?
You know?Absolutely.
Why did you.
I'm freaking out here.
And you're like,
whatever.

Speaker B (10:11):
Absolutely.

Speaker A (10:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker B (10:13):
That's why now, because I've got three kids now.
So when they tell me something like, the roomthat I'm in now, this is my studio now, but
this was my two daughters Bedroom.
They. And they were having terrible sleeps inhere and waking up and saying they were seeing
things and stuff.
So I was like, okay, I'm gonna take you out
that room and just see if there's.
There's. And there was a. Quite a bit of achange when they moved to a new room.

(10:35):
And, you know, I'm.
I'm in the freaky room now of the house.

Speaker A (10:40):
So do you.
So is your house haunted, you think now?
Do you have a spirit there?

Speaker B (10:45):
We've had some weird stuff happen here.
Yeah.
Very strange stuff.
I feel like.
I don't know about you, but I feel like whenyou look into this kind of stuff, when you
look into the paranormal, it looks back.
I really do believe that.

Speaker A (10:56):
Yes.

Speaker B (10:57):
I've had experiences throughout my life.
When I started let's Get Freaky Podcast, itkind of.
I don't know if it's because you're thinkingabout this stuff all the time, but I started
noticing a lot of things happening around me.
For example, one night I saw me and the familywere eating a meal around the table in the
kitchen, and I saw a black cat run past me.
I jumped out my skin and I said, there's a.

(11:18):
There's a cat in the house.
And this is before we had a dog as well.
And I'm looking around the house for this catthat never found.
I don't think it was a cat.
A load of things like that.
And we had a spell probably last summer where
there was.
There was a lot of activity going on that was
quite worrying, I have to say.
And I was saying.
And my wife was experiencing stuff.

(11:38):
The kids were experiencing stuff.
And she was like, you've got to stop doing
this paranormal podcast.
And I'm like, no, I can't.
I'm sorry, I can't.
But so it was.
It was getting a bit.
It was getting a bit worrying.

Speaker A (11:50):
Yeah. Yeah. You know what, Tommy? I can relate to that because I was doing.
I've had this happen a couple times.
Like, I don't know, like you.
I kind of do it a little later.
I'm kind of night owl and stuff like that.
So I was working on this story about thisdemon house in Indiana in the states here.
And it's crazy story that, like, I've alreadydone it on.

(12:13):
You might.
If you haven't.
Haven't done it already.
I haven't.
Like I said, check all your episodes.
But one of the things about this demon house
is like a priest saw the demon.
A police officer saw.
Saw the demon.
Like men who came There to, like, fix,
like, things around the house.
Saw it, doctors saw it.
And it was just reports from all these peoplewho, like, why would they make this up?

(12:35):
So I was doing it and I was looking at it, andI remember I have a office in my basement in
my house,
and it's a finished basement.
And I remember I felt there was something on
the other side of that door.
Something was, like, standing there, like,waiting for me.
And I was like.
I thought it was my wife or my kids, you know?

(12:56):
Cause sometimes they'll wake up and be like,hey, dad, I'm not feeling well.
You know the deal.
And you'd be like, okay, honey, you know,whatever.
You know, do we need to go to the hospital orsomething?
Or whatever, right?Or, here, I'll get you some medicine.
I remember going to the door and I put my handon the doorknob and there was just this voice
in my head said, do not open that door.
Do not open this door, whatever you do.

(13:18):
And it was just like a voice in my headtelling me that.
And I felt like I could hear, like somethingon the other side, like, shuffling.
And I. And I. And it's like, I don't know, oneo', clock, two o' clock in the morning.
And I'm like,
hey, who, who, who's there?You know, figuring again, maybe it's my kids
or whatever.
Nobody answered.
And then I. I just was like, okay.

(13:39):
And I went back and I remember just sitting inmy office, just kind of waiting.
And then it was finally registered in mybrain.
Okay, stop what you're doing.
It's all clear.
You can go now.
But, man, did that freak me out.
That was really freaky.

Speaker B (13:54):
And it was, like, wild.

Speaker A (13:56):
That was just.
And I've heard this from other people, like
yourself too, who have said, you working on acertain story, maybe it's in your head or
whatever, and you might see a shadow person orshadow people,
something like that, you know, where somethingjust.
Or you feel you're being watched.
That's what I feel a lot too.

Speaker B (14:13):
Yeah, it's like our senses, we've got these natural abilities that I think we've
all got.
You know, you talk to mediums and stuff, and
they seem to be more tapped into theseabilities.
But, you know, I think your average personthat's not even interested in this kind of
stuff still has those natural abilities wherewe.
We get that sense, we get that gut feelingthere's something there.
And. And what is that?That is paranormal, man.

(14:34):
You know?That is absolutely.
That is paranormal.

Speaker A (14:37):
Yeah, you Know, and one of the things that always makes me laugh, but I
always find interesting talking to my UKfriends,
I asked them about pubs because here in this.
In the States,
we're still young puppies, you know, we.
We have pubs, we have haunted.
We don't call them.
We call them bars here, but you can call them
a pub, but, you know, it doesn't matter.

Speaker B (14:56):
Yeah.

Speaker A (14:56):
Anyway, we do have some haunted bars in the United States, but it's frequent.
One of my UK friends told me that there's apub, you know, near me, it's haunted.
And then they're like.
It's rarely.
You don't go into any pub, like in a majorcity or a major town, or even any town for
that matter.

(15:16):
At least find one haunted pub.

Speaker B (15:19):
Every pub in the uk.
Every pub is haunted in the uk.
You.
You talk to anyone that works at a pub, theywill have experienced something.
For some reason.
Pubs are one of the most haunted places I
found.
I don't know why that is.
I mean, I guess it's why, because so many
people go there and there's been a lot ofactivity there, a lot of energies put into
those places.

(15:39):
They're often very old.
I mean, there's a pub just down the road from
me that's not far down the road, 15 minutesdown the road.
And some of that pub.
One of the walls from that pub was built inthe 12th century and it's still standing.
Not the whole pub.
You know, it wasn't a pub that time, but the
actual pub is still very old as well.
But a part of that pub is actually 12th, whichis incredible to think.

(16:02):
And then you've got a castle just down theroad from that pub called Corfe Castle, which
is very haunted.
That is.
That was like 11th century, maybe even before
that built, but something to do with Williamthe Conqueror, that's how.
That's how old that is.

Speaker A (16:14):
Wow.

Speaker B (16:14):
And that's got like.
Every town I know and in the US as well, has
got a woman in white.

Speaker A (16:21):
Yes.

Speaker B (16:22):
That castle's got a woman in white that walks around, the headless woman that
walks around that car.
There's so many ghosts there.
And that's.
Yeah, that's just down the road.

Speaker A (16:30):
Yeah. You know, and, you know, I was surprised.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
But, you know, back in the 14th century.
12th century, whatever century, the pub wasused as a collective meeting place.
So you might have a trial in there of aconvicted murderer, you might have a hanging,
you might have suicide.
It could have been a Brothel.

(16:51):
You know what I mean?
It could have been so many things goingthrough there and all that energy,
negative and positive, just seeps into thewalls and the floors and the.
Everything that's in that pub.
Negative or positive. So I. I'm just amazed.
Just, oh, my God.

Speaker B (17:11):
The hubs, although not so much now, I guess in some places they are, but they were
like the hub of the community where everyone,everyone would meet, everyone would go, you
know, probably every.
Every night, you know, probably going thereafter a day's work.
You know, everyone knew everyone kind of thingI'm imagining and I guess you still get that
now in some places to an extent.
But, you know, going back hundreds of years,that would have been even more prevalent, you

(17:33):
know, that.
These places.

Speaker A (17:35):
Yeah, yeah.
And I think that,
yeah, it is very special.
I would love that.
You know, I'm a. I'm a Guinness guy.
I don't know if you.
You're a Guinness guy.

Speaker B (17:42):
I am a Guinness guy.
I am.
I love.
I'm actually.
Don't tell anyone I had one today.

Speaker A (17:48):
I'm going to have one today.
Let's go.

Speaker B (17:52):
I love Guinness, man.

Speaker A (17:54):
It's one of my favorite too.
Yeah, it's one of my favorites.
So one of the, One of the bigger things too.
I'm.
Well, about uk.
You have many famous cases and I was just
wondering what your thoughts on them, becauseI'm always curious,
you know, getting someone who maybe heard ofthem or maybe you were too young, I don't
know.
But the Enfield Poltergeist, what is your

(18:15):
feeling about that?Fake.
For real.
What. What's your thoughts on that?

Speaker B (18:19):
Interesting one.
Quite interesting.
Because where I used to go to university,
I wasn't far from that house and it reallybugged me because I didn't know too much about
it then because I would have been outsideexploring it now.

Speaker A (18:32):
Yeah.

Speaker B (18:35):
Is a weird one.
I. I mean, some of the evidence I know can be
debunked, I guess, but for me, I think theremust have been something going on there for it
to be that worldwide.
You know, that story is.
Is one of the most famous ghost stories there
is, you know, and.
And some of the pictures are, you know, with a
little girl flying and stuff in her room.
I mean, it's terrifying.

(18:55):
I think there was something going on there.
I really do.
A lot of the time, I think with these cases,they do get kind of blown up, I believe.
And possibly with time maybe exaggerated,possibly, you know, when they.
Especially when they start making like moneyout of these things, like with television
programs.
And things like that, they're gonna.
They're gonna blow up.
And you get ghost teams go there now, Ibelieve, and stuff like that.

(19:18):
So that's going to add to it as well.
But I think.
I think with that story in particular, I think
something was going on there.

Speaker A (19:24):
Yeah,
I think there was some truth that gotoverblown.
I think there was some.
Again, Some of the story where this older man
died in his chair.
He had a heart attack or whatever he had.
Yeah. I mean, that could be a lasting thing.
I don't.
I think it was scary, probably, like your
house was scary in the sense, but not to thatdegree where they were saying, like, you know,

(19:50):
all these things to kind of put it inperspective.
The conjuring house in here in the States,
you talk to the people who live there and theywill say, like, yeah, it was scary at times,
but not to.
They're saying, you know, we're being locked
up here and we can't get out of the house, or,you know, we're being dragged up the stairs

(20:10):
or, you know,
we can't turn the lights on anymore.
Like.
No, but we did see things and we did hearthings and we were pushed and we were this.
And yeah, it wasn't fun.
It was scary,
but it wasn't to the point where,
my God, I'm fearing for my life, like, we'rerunning out in the middle of the night and
going to,

(20:30):
you know, wherever to get away from thisthing.

Speaker B (20:34):
I mean, I'm sure.
I'm sure there have been cases like that,
but I feel.
But I feel like in.
In.
I feel like, for example, if I'm living in ahouse where that's going on and.
And it's like you can't get away from it.
I don't.
I don't think you're going to stay there.
I mean, I said to you I experienced quite alot last summer where there was.
Seemed to be quite a lot of weird stuff goingon.
Never got to the level of, like,

(20:55):
the conjuring house.
You know, I feel like I would be out
immediately.

Speaker A (21:00):
Yeah.

Speaker B (21:01):
You know, I couldn't stand that.

Speaker A (21:02):
Me too.
Yeah.
And in the second case, I don't know if you'veheard of this one.
It's fairly famous one.
It's gotten more famous, I think, in recent
years.
The Black Monk of Pontefract.
Have you heard of that?

Speaker B (21:15):
Don't think I have.
Where was that?

Speaker A (21:17):
That one?
Definitely worth an episode for you.
That one is.
There is a flat in Pontefract or a city near
There.
And I can't remember the city because I didtalk to someone from the UK about it and they
said basically you go this flat and looks likewhat they call common house or what do you

(21:39):
call those houses that are just for, you know,like poor people and everything like that,
and live in the flat.

Speaker B (21:46):
Council house.

Speaker A (21:46):
Council house, yeah.

Speaker B (21:48):
Yeah.

Speaker A (21:48):
So that's what it is.
And the gentleman who runs it is now running
it out for paranormal investigators.
He does not live there anymore.
It's a new owner.
Well, guys probably owned it for a number of
years.
And when you go into this house, supposedlyit's so haunted that every time people's been
in this place,
something's happened.
And I talked to the gentleman who was in this

(22:10):
house from the uk and he said he went up tothe room where supposedly this little boy
wants to play with you.
And he.
And he rolls a ball from underneath the bed
and he's.
And he, he was sitting there and he's like,
yeah, man, this is all like touristy trap orwhatever.
You want to say what you guys call it, youknow what I mean?
It's just guys making a few bucks, whatever.

(22:32):
So he went up there by himself,
sat on the bed, and he was like, okay, youknow, if you'd like to play, I'll play with
you.
And he said, he says, and I'll.
He said, I'll swear for God.
Stack of Bibles.
This little ball started rolling under from
underneath the bed and it rolled right infront of me.
And I said, well, I would have been out.
He wasn't.

(22:52):
He claimed he stood there and he wrote it backand then it rolled again.
Now, he said,
he said, like, yes, people are probablythinking there's probably something set up.
So he said, he looked all over the room,looked underneath the bed.
I said, you looked underneath the bed?
That's where the horror movie.
You know what I mean?

Speaker B (23:10):
That's when you're waiting for something there.

Speaker A (23:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The little boy to come out at you jump, scare.
Anyway,
so he looked, didn't see anything.
And then some people were like, well, you
know, in certain places, the, the.
The flat was not built so well, so maybe
there's like a curve or it's not straight orit's at an angle.
Nope, he doesn't see anything like that.

(23:32):
And then, you know, he felt like he was being
watched.
He didn't feel scared.
He said, in that sense he just felt he'd been
watched, like somebody was interested in him.
Like a little kid, you know where a little kid
will look at you.
You walk into a room and they'll be like,who's that kind of attitude?
But anyway, there's this.
What makes this house really interestingagain, the number of paranormal experiences in

(23:54):
it that just normal looking.
I mean you drive past it and be like, where is
this?Oh, it's right there.
Okay.

Speaker B (24:00):
Yeah.

Speaker A (24:02):
And they have this black monk and he roams the house.
He's not a very nice guy.
He's known to push people down the steps.
He's.
He's hurt people, bruised people,
scratched people.
Not the greatest person.
And it's a very evil.
When people have been there and sensed it,have gotten nauseous,

(24:22):
have you know, gotten totally sick where theyhave to run out because they feel like it's
like suffocating them.
Like it's like someone pulling a blanket over
you and just holding it tight and sitting onyou.
But it's a really interesting case.
People have been trying to debunk it for
years.
There's been some like the Enfield Poltergeistguys have been some back and forth like this

(24:45):
is whatever but it's never,
it's.
It's not taken over like the Enfield
Poltergeist or some other famous cases in theuk, but it's still famous.
And like I said, you can go today and go tothat house.
I don't know how much it is.
I think it's like whatever, like so many quid
or whatever you guys pounds or whatever.

Speaker B (25:03):
Yeah.

Speaker A (25:04):
Fairly cheap.
Fairly cheap.
And then you can just do your observation and
he.
The guys like allows you to do that.
I do not know if there's.
You can stay overnight, but it's a really goodcase.
And if you could get someone on your show,since you're a little closer there on your
show, I would love to listen to that episode.

Speaker B (25:22):
Yeah, I need to look into that.

Speaker A (25:24):
Yeah. Because it's, it's a really interesting case.
It's one of the few cases that lot ofdebunking has gone on and it's never a
definite answer.
No one's ever said no, this is fake or yeah,
it's real.
It's just.

Speaker B (25:40):
Which is like a lot of these places.
When you think about a lot of these places,it's because it's down a lot of the time these
things happen to like an individual and it's apersonal experience.
But we, a lot of us have these experiences.
What I find interesting with that is like you
say like the black monk and stuff like that.
That is like a spirit that is seen in so Many
different places, especially in the uk in theus the woman in white,

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like we said earlier, the woman in gray, youknow, they're two.
Two like entity.
The hat man as well.
Hat man is seen all over the world as well.
I find it so interesting how people are seeing
the same.

Speaker A (26:11):
Right.

Speaker B (26:12):
Entities, you know, seemingly.

Speaker A (26:14):
Yeah.

Speaker B (26:14):
And what is that?

Speaker A (26:16):
Yeah, what is that? Because that's really fascinating to me
because when I was talking to this couple fromAustralia, they were giving me the same.

Speaker B (26:25):
Yes.

Speaker A (26:25):
View of what they saw.
Look like what?
You know, I've talked to other people aboutwhat they have seen, and then there isn't like
the hat man is.
There's a tall man with a hat, you know,sometimes red eyes,
different color eyes, but it's the samestructure, same body structure, the same face

(26:46):
for.
You know what I mean?
It's just like you're thousands of miles awayfrom me,
we don't know each other.
And you're describing almost the same thing.

Speaker B (26:55):
That same thing.
Yeah.
I mean, some, some cultures call it somethingdifferent.
They might give it a different name in somecases,
but ultimately these things are the same allaround the world, you know,
in all different religions.
In all around the world.
Right.
People are experiencing the same thing.
And I find that fascinating.
That blows my mind.

Speaker A (27:15):
Yeah, same with me.
I find it absolutely fascinating that we're so
similar and so alike, even though we don't,you know.
How would you know that?I know that.
So the last question I would ask you, wouldyou spend.
I don't know what is the most haunted castlein the uk,
but would you spend a night there alone?

Speaker B (27:34):
Oh, alone.
Oh, man, I'd like to think I would.
But at the same time, as I said, I am very.
I'm still very scared of the dark now.
Like, for example, I've got a woods justbehind where I live, which is.
And there's some weird stuff that happens inthat forest.
You know, the locals talk about it.
I've experienced a couple of things possibly
related to it.
They call it, like, there's a devil dog lurein that woods and it's, It's.

(27:57):
It's really cool.
I go in the woods every day.
I take my dog over there now every day.
But I, I very rarely go there at night and Ihave been in.
I've been on the outskirts at night and I'vebeen in.
There's like a little red brick road that sortof leads you into the forest.
I've been on that at night because it's kindof lit up,
but actually into the forest.
I haven't.
And I think I, you know, for what we do, Ishould have, like, gone in there and, you

(28:18):
know,
investigated a little bit, and maybe I will,but that's, like, right on my doorstep and I
haven't done that yet.
And I've been here nearly four years.
But,
yeah, I would say in a castle.
I mean, I'd have to hopefully be able to
record it and stuff.
And, you know, being on my own, I don't know,
man.
Because that coffee castle, which is down theroad, they.
I mean, this is the thing as well in the uk,and I'm sure in the US as well.

(28:41):
Every pub, every castle, every manor houseclaims to be the most haunted, because
obviously that's a big seller.
To get bigger, this is the most haunted placein the world.
Let's go.
And so that castle claims to be.
I think it's in, like, the top 10.
I don't know how they rank these things, but
this castle is in the top 10 most haunted in.
In the UK.

(29:01):
In the world, I believe.
And. And it's.
I probably would say that.
I mean, yeah, I would be very scared, don'tget me wrong.
And I probably would sleep.

Speaker A (29:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, look at us.
We're fairly big guys, but, you know what Imean, we're both like, forget it.
And, you know, I talk to paranormalinvestigators.
I find the show, and they've been pushed andtheir hair pulled and scratched, and, you
know, people have said, get out.
Literally, get out.
Yeah,
like seeing demons and closets and stuff.

(29:30):
And they're like, yeah, I'm going out tomorrow
night.
I'm like, are you crazy?As soon as you're a demon in a closet, I'm
finished.

Speaker B (29:38):
See you later.
Yeah, that's a warning.

Speaker A (29:41):
Later.
And they're like, yeah, so what?
Someone pushed me down the steps.
I'm fine.
Like, why are you crazy?

Speaker B (29:48):
I know, because I'm like, you know, I'm.
I'm fascinated of all aspects of theparanormal.
I've had quite a few experiences myself, and Ido.
I don't believe everything is negative when itcomes to the paranormal.
I'm not one of those guys that believeseverything's bad.
But I do believe there is a very dangerousside to this kind of stuff as well that has to
be, like, taken seriously and respectedbecause we don't really know what we're

(30:09):
playing with, you know, And I've spoke toenough people that have had attachments and
things like that sort of,
you know, this stuff is.
It's real you know, Ouija balls are real.
You know, they are dangerous.
They can, they, they bring a lot of.
I know that it's fun to watch the shows andstuff, and I, I, I love the paranormal shows.
I get really into it.
But there is a side that is dangerous as well.

Speaker A (30:31):
Absolutely.
So let's talk a little bit about your podcast.
What has been your favorite episode so far?Is it.

Speaker B (30:38):
That is a tough one.

Speaker A (30:39):
That kind of shocked you that you went like, oh, you know, and it could have
been a guest or just your research.
Either one.

Speaker B (30:46):
Yeah, there's been a few.
There's been a few.
I recently done an episode.
I don't know if you saw the show on Netflix.
True Haunting.
Yeah, there's a show recently on, on Netflix,Erie Hall.
And I had Chris on the show who was like themain boy that was affected by the Haunting.
And I watched the show on Netflix and I waslike, wow, man, this is it.

(31:07):
Scared me like a scary show to watch.
What these kids had to go through at college.
It was in New York, it happened in New York,
and basically it was a new college campus anda few of the kids on the hall experience this
paranormal.
Chris was like the main center of it because I
think that's where it kind of started.
But you know, all the, all the kids wereseeing this, this entity and stuff like that.

(31:31):
And Chris,
after watching the show and then speaking toChris, it was like, wow, man.
You know, this, it was, it was, it was wildwhat they went through.
And so many of them went through it.
And, you know, it was actually that the showwas kind of scary, but what he was telling me
was adding to it and making it even morescary.
You know,
that was a wild one.
That was quite recent, but there's been a few,

(31:52):
man.
There's been a few that.
Because I record most of the time about aroundone o' clock in the morning, UK time.
So when I'm recording, it's around that kindof time normally because I finished work at
1am UK time.
I get in from work and that's when I, I startmy recording normally, because it's normally
in the us So I was talking to this lady.
Lovely lady.

(32:12):
Yeah.
And she was, she was telling me her
experiences, paranormal experiences.
And I was like,
I was getting a little bit scared sometimes.
As much as we hear this stuff all the time, Istill get scared by it.
And she's telling me her experiences.
And then we kind of finish recording and after
we have a little talk for like a couple ofminutes, and she went, I'LL be careful now.
The ghost might come over to you now.
And I was like, thanks.

(32:33):
She was joking, but I think.
But I was like, thank you.
Like, anyway,
finished recording.
And so when I'm recording, I'm upstairs and I
leave all the lights on downstairs because Iget very scared.
So finish recording.
I've left my.
My room.
Gone down the stairs.
All the lights are off.
I'm like, this is strange, but it could be thewife.
The wife could have got up and turned on thelight, but she probably wouldn't do that.

(32:57):
Kids probably wouldn't do that either if theycame downstairs.
So I'm like, okay, this is weird.
Turned all the lights on.
Every single light on downstairs.
Okay, it's cool.
The lights are back on.
Went into the front room.
Went back into the kitchen.
The light was off in the kitchen.
And I was like, oh, you know, And I'm
starting.
Did I turn it off?But I don't think I did.
I'm like, I'm not playing it back.
And there was just this weird vibe.

(33:18):
And I think it might have happened in thefront room as well where the light went off.
And I was like, what the heck is going on?And so there's been stuff like that as well,
where I've talked to someone and then after,there's been a bit of a lingering feeling.
I don't blame that lady at all.
I'm not saying, yeah, she's a lovely lady.
It wasn't her, but,
you know, it's stuff like that as well.
But yeah.

Speaker A (33:38):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker B (33:40):
Yeah, that was pretty wild.

Speaker A (33:42):
Yeah, that was a while like that, right?

Speaker B (33:44):
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I was doing interview once, someone's telling me something
and something fell down in my suitable.
And I have as well.
When I've been recording that it happened.
I was around last Christmas last year.
It happened twice where I was talking, justhow many were talking now.
And this object kind of like floated throughmy screen and I didn't see it.
My guest saw it and said, well, I just saw awhite thing go through your screen.

(34:09):
I was like, okay.
So when I put an episode out, I normally I
focus on the audio.
I make sure the audio sounds great because
that's where most people listen on Applepodcasts and Spotify.
So I make sure that sounds great.
I put it out and then I started putting the
videos out on YouTube as well.
And so I didn't even look back at this.
Whatever this thing was.
And then I was getting messages saying, look

(34:29):
at minute 34, whatever it was,
where this Thing is going.
And I did.
I saw it.
There was, like, this white floating thing
that kind of looked like it was walking, but Idon't know.
I don't know what it was.
I did send it to a couple of camera guys that
I know that are like,
yeah, just saying, could it be a bug oranything like that?
And they.
They said they don't know what it is.

(34:49):
They've never seen.
They're not sure what it was.
Don't think it was a bug.

Speaker A (34:54):
Yeah, that reminds me.
I was doing an interview with the gentleman.
He owns the dolmen house.
Basically,
it's the famous case with Sharon Tate, who waskilled by the Manson family.
She.
He lived near her,
and he lives in this house.
And it's.
You know, it's been investigated many, manytimes because it seems like some of the

(35:16):
spirits have come to this house.
And we were talking, and he was talking, and
then all of a sudden he goes, will you knockit off?
And I'm like, I thought he's talking to me.
And he's, like, talking to the spirits because
they were making noise in the back.
And then also he goes, did you see that?And I'm like, yeah.
Is there something.
Like I said, I saw, like, a shadow.
Is there someone in your house?He goes, yeah, John, the spirits.

(35:39):
I told you that I could see it.
Like, he was just talking.
And then he just said to me, you saw that,right?
And I'm like.
And then I went back, and I'm like, oh, my
God.
The one thing.
I don't know if this ever happened to you, butthe one thing.
I was talking to a medium who deals withgrief,
and she talked about how she deals with peoplewith that, like, talking to their loved ones

(36:01):
and stuff.
And I was talking about my mom, and my mom
died about four years ago.
She meant so much to me and everything.
And I said, I just want to see if she's okay,
that she's loved, know she's loved, andeverything like that.
So there was something that kind of flashedbehind this medium.
And she kind of goes like this a little bit.
She goes, okay, I will.

(36:21):
And then we started talking.
And then she reached back out to meet Tommyafter, and she goes, by the way, that thing
that.
When I said, okay, I will.
That was your mom talking to me.
She wanted to tell you she's okay and sheloves you.
And she came, wow into that.
When she heard me, she said, this medium said
I attracted her when you said that,

(36:42):
because that happens a lot where, you know,there.
And I was just like.
And she'll.
She'll call, she'll text me and stuff from
time to time and say, were you thinking aboutyour mom?
She's fine.
Remember, John?
She's fine.
She's okay.
Because she's okay.
That's just.
I love.
That's cool stuff.
That's some of the cool stuff.

(37:03):
Maybe scary, but that's some.
Really.

Speaker B (37:06):
Yeah, you know, that's a comfort.
Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker A (37:08):
I love that.
One of the things, though, I saw with your
episodes I was listening to, that means quitea bit to people in Wisconsin.
We have a cryptid called the Beast of BrayRoad.
And I was listening to that, among others,episodes that has been just to let you know,
Tommy, and you probably, if you remember theepisode at all, that's been around for years

(37:30):
and people still not disproved it.
And I've spoken to people who have supposedlyhave seen it, have heard it.
How,
have collected samples.
I didn't.
You know, I thought this gentleman that youinterviewed was really interesting about it.
Do you remember anything from it?What do you think about it?

Speaker B (37:47):
Well, one of my big things, another big reason why I started, let's Get Freaky, is
because I love Bigfoot.
And then obviously, when you look into
Bigfoot, you realize you've got the Mothman,you've got the Dogman.
There's so many, you know, and he crafted and.
And that is another thing that fascinates me.
It blows my mind.
And I. I think.

(38:07):
I personally think that these things are out
there.
I really do.
Too many people see these things, you know,and if you think.
If, you know, if one person is telling thetruth, it's real, you know, But I think
obviously a lot more people are telling thetruth.
Patterson Gimlin film, you know, for me, thatis right.
Legit, I believe.

Speaker A (38:24):
Yep.

Speaker B (38:25):
But, yeah, the Beast of Bray Road,
that is something that, you know, that is oneof the most famous Dogman encounters, you
know, and one of them, absolutely.
When you think of Dogman, that is.
I don't know exactly where Dog man started.
I know you've got werewolves, obviously, inEurope and stuff like that, but Dogman itself,
I think Beast of the Brave Road might be oneof the first accounts, I believe.

(38:45):
I'm not 100% sure.
And it was actually Eric Mintel who was on for
that episode, and he's got a YouTube channelcalled Eric Mintel Investigates.
I don't know if you've had him on before.
He's a really cool guest to have on.
And he actually went to the area where thebeast is seen.
And he said they didn't see it, but I think hehad, like, the feeling, and I believe he sort

(39:06):
of red eyes that were looking over, like, thecornfields and.
Yeah. I mean, so many people have theseexperiences, man.
I. I think there's something to it, whether ornot they're flesh and blood or supernatural,
because I find a lot of the time with thesecreatures, dog, man, Bigfoot, and things like
that, they are.
That they're kind of like ghosts.
You know, they're kind of the behavior that we

(39:26):
experience.
It's. It's the same kind of thing that youexperience in a haunted house just in a
forest.

Speaker A (39:32):
Right.

Speaker B (39:32):
And I think something supernatural going on there.

Speaker A (39:35):
Yeah, absolutely.
And, you know, I do think Bigfoot is tied to
aliens somehow.

Speaker B (39:42):
Interesting.

Speaker A (39:43):
I've spoke to a man who talked about.
He was camping and, well, in the upper statesaround Wyoming and everything like that, where
a lot of Bigfoot sightings have been seen.
And he was sitting there one night camping,and he just heard this howl.
And he was just this, like,
you know, scream, I can't do it, but whatever.

(40:04):
And he was like,
okay.
And him and his buddy were like, what is that?
And then all of a sudden, they said they saw,like, this object,
and then it floated over the woods, and, like,a beam of light went down,
and they were, you know, scared out of theirmind.
And then they heard the howl again, and theywere like, let's get our stuff.
Let's go.

Speaker B (40:23):
Yeah.

Speaker A (40:24):
And they said it was just unbelievable.
And I've spoken again to other people who.
Who would talk about extra.
Extraterrestrials, UFOs, and they've said,yes, they do believe that Bigfoot has
something to do with aliens,
and they're not really sure what it is.
And it's absolutely fascinating to me.

Speaker B (40:43):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker A (40:44):
That. That tie together.

Speaker B (40:46):
Absolutely.
I mean, there's definitely.
Seems to be more going on than just flesh andblood.
I know.
Like, in the Bigfoot cryptid world, there's.
There's quite a big debate, and sometimes itgets a little bit heated between these
investigators, some saying it's.
It's flesh and blood, it's an ape, you know,and then others are saying it's.
It's supernatural, it's aliens.
They kind of go at it, and I never reallyunderstand that.

(41:06):
You know, I think, yeah, we all just.
Let's just all put our ideas out there,
because no one really knows what these thingsare.
You know, nobody knows.

Speaker A (41:12):
Absolutely.

Speaker B (41:13):
I mean, we've got some ideas.
People have Some people have seen these things
and, you know, but we.
We really have no evidence to what these
things are, so we shouldn't be arguing aboutit, really.
I never understand that.

Speaker A (41:23):
I know now the only thing I would say, Tommy, and I've told this, the Bigfoot
investigators and.
And all different people who have that on the
show.
I really don't want them to find Bigfoot
because what do you think they're going to do?
They're going to dissect them or her?
You know what I mean?They're gonna.
They're gonna want to know what's going on.

(41:43):
They're going to put that creature in a
prison.
They're gonna, you know, I'm like, yeah.

Speaker B (41:48):
We'Re not the nicest creatures, are we?

Speaker A (41:50):
We're not the nicest people.
We're not.
We're not gonna, like, you know, hug it and belike, everybody, look, it's real.
No, we're gonna put it in some prisonsomewhere, and it's like what we.

Speaker B (42:03):
Do with, like, the, like the killer whales and stuff like that, you know, And I'm
not.
I'm not having to go at anyone from the past,
what they've done, but I think, you know, nowwith research,
they found that it's not good to have thosethings in, like,
a tank, basically, which.
And. And I know that it's.
It's a controversial one again, but that iswhat we would probably do to the Bigfoot if we
could.
We'd put it in a cage, and we'd charge people

(42:24):
to come and see it if it's flesh and blood, ifwe could,
because that's just what people do.
That's what humans unfortunately.

Speaker A (42:30):
Yeah, that's.

Speaker B (42:31):
Unfortunately do.

Speaker A (42:32):
I'm kind of like, let it go and just let it.
I get it if you want to do research, but notto harm it, because it would be such an
unbelievable discovery.
I mean, you know, you'd want it to find outmore, but.

Speaker B (42:46):
Absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker A (42:48):
I'm kind of happy that no one has found it yet and everything like that.
So.

Speaker B (42:52):
Yeah.

Speaker A (42:52):
You ready for our topic? I can't see.
Let's get freaky.
That's your things.
You can say that these are popular urbanlegends from the Midwest, which I thought you
might find really interesting.
And maybe you wanted to do one of these.
You know, do a topic.
Please chime in or say anything you want.

(43:13):
I'll definitely hear about it.
Now, all these are the.
Considered the most popular of urban legends,which, as the urban legends go, some are true,
have come true, and some Are just urbanlegends, you know, just kind of whatever.
So the first one is in Indiana.
It is called the whole house.

(43:34):
And it is a case study about urban legendsgrowing larger than life.
And it was called the house of blue lights.
And it's studying it studies about thedamaging effects of believing in them.
So this one is one of those things that'sjust.
We're not sure if it's true.
They're pretty sure it's not true, but it just
carried on through years and years and years.

(43:57):
So. And I love this name.
This is a great name.
So our story begins, Tommy, with amillionaire, Skiles Test.
That was his name.

Speaker B (44:07):
That's a powerful name that.

Speaker A (44:08):
I love it.

Speaker B (44:09):
Skiles Test.

Speaker A (44:10):
Skiles Test. And he built this luxurious, eccentric, remote farmhouse.
And this property was uniquely notable forblue Christmas lights.
Set Test hung up.
Test also gained a bit of unwitted, unwanted
fame for his parties, Leading to a rumor thatsometime in the 90s that he displayed his

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deceased wife's body in a transparent glasscoffin wrapped in blue lights.
So supposedly he just had his dead wife's bodyin this glass coffin for everyone to see.
And they put blue lights around it.
Not really sure why he did this.
Yeah.
And anyway, you can already imagine the sortof obsession he created in this true crime,

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occult loving crowd.
So this is the 1950s,
this guy,
you know, why would he store his dead wifelike that?
So supposedly he just had it out so you couldlike knock on his door and be like, hey, can I
see your dead wife?
Yep.
Yeah. You know what I mean?And not really.

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Yeah, nobody really knows the real storybehind it, why he did this and you know, what
he was doing, why he brought that out.
Unfortunately, this obsession led to a veryreal problem for Test curious teens
trespassing on his property en masse throughthe 1960s.

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According to Historic Indianapolis, he wasforced to surround the property with a fence
when the problem got out of hand.
So these kids would like,
want to see his dad's wife body in this.
And these disrespectful invaders started
breaking into his house,
swimming into his pool, and even setting someof the outbuildings on fire.

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Even continued after his death while theproperty was vacant.
The city destroyed the place in the 70s.
And the worst part, Tess died before his wife
and ex wives.
He could never have been.
They have never.
Excuse me, have been found.
So they never found this glass coffin wrappedin blue lights.

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Because I guess according to the urban legend,he had numerous wives and he would just do
that.
He would put them in Glass coffins,
display them out in his house.
And this became an urban legend and then
became big enough that supposedly, like Isaid, kids would bust in his house just to see
this.
And he would just wrap this.

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Wrap his wives in coffins with these blue
lights and just keep them out.
But they destroyed.
The property is destroyed.
He's no longer there.
But I thought that was just reallyinteresting.
Like, this guy would just slay his dad's wife.

Speaker B (47:02):
Is that even legal? Is that even legal?
Like, to be able to do that?

Speaker A (47:06):
Probably.
I thought this was the 1800s, but it was 1940sup until the 70s.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
I only did a little short thing here, butthere is more to it.
Like, people have seen ghosts on thisproperty.
People have seen the wives, you know, kind of,like, walking around and everything.

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So it.

Speaker B (47:29):
I mean, that is the kind of place, though.
I know.
I know it's bad that kids have broken in there
and done that.
But that is the kind of rumor that if kids
heard that, they're gonna.
They're gonna investigate.
You know, you're gonna get gangs of kids that
are gonna turn up there.
Let's find the lady in the blue coffin.

Speaker A (47:44):
Yeah.

Speaker B (47:45):
Which is wild.

Speaker A (47:47):
Yeah. That's crazy.
So the next one is in Charles City, Iowa.
And this is one I thought was reallyinteresting because I have a bunch of family
in Iowa.
It runs along a hiking trail circuit along the
Charlie Western Railroad.
And so, like, you know, as you know, you havea bunch of hiking trails in the U.K. and stuff

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in the U.S.
typically, a lot of them run along oldrailroad tracks.
I don't know, they take the tracks out andthey use the trail for you to walk.
Anyway, as you take this popular US Railtrail,
you'll encounter the Iron hill and the oldabandoned white Farm.
And here's what you might hear when you go tothis farm.

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You might hear the ghostly screams of childrenand get a whiff of smoke.
If you're lucky, or unlucky rather, you mightsee a little girl in a white dress or hear a
disembodied voice whisper your name.
So you might hear Tommy along this trail nearthis abandoned farm.

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So why does this happen?Well, the legend goes that a train derailed
near the spot and caught fire.
One of the boxcars was filled with orphans,and they got trapped and burned alive in this
boxcar.
So their spirits still haunt the spot thisvery day.

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So when you're wearing along this trail,
people have said they have seen,
like, children.
One person said they saw,
like, something on fire.
And they were running, you know, like, oh, my
God.
You know, how can I. How can I help?
I'll call 91 1.
This is like modern day.
And they ran up and they saw this little kid,like, running who was on fire.

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And they were like, oh, my God.
And they'll allow these people call the
police.
No. Say there's these kids and they're.
They're running and they're on fire.
You know, you gotta come.
And then the fireman will show up or the fire
crew or the sheriffs or whoever.
Nobody said nobody.
And they've gotten to a point where a lot ofthe dispatchers, you know, for the firemen

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and.
And the police will go like, yeah, you're
seeing a ghost.
They'll actually tell them you're seeing a
ghost.
And they'll be like, no, no, no. There's.
The child's on fire.
It's right there.
Oh, my God.
You gotta come.
And they're like, we're not gonna come.

Speaker B (50:16):
Yeah.

Speaker A (50:17):
And they'll be like, you're you.
You know, you.
Who are you?I'm gonna report you.
And they'll get really mad, and then they'lllike, turn around and.

Speaker B (50:25):
Yeah, that's wild.

Speaker A (50:28):
And then other people have been like, jogging or walking along there, and
they'll hear their name called.
Like, a little kid will be like, Tommy or
John.
And they'll be.
They'll turn around and they'll be like, youknow, looking for someone.
Nobody's there.
So.
Yeah, it's crazy.
So there's a little bit more too, about this.
Supposedly orphan trains,

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which may sound odd,
really was a thing.
They would take these orphans, these kids,
stuff them in a boxcar.
And this orphan train program relocated as
many as 400,000 orphan children from theovercrowded Eastern seaboard to a sparsely
populated Midwest.
So they would just cram them in these boxcars.

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I just wanted to bring this up.
He's been filled with orphans.
And like I said, you that enough.
You know what I mean?Is unbelievable.
That is wild kids.
Yeah. They just stuff them in there with nofood or no water.
That must have been there.

Speaker B (51:27):
Terrifying for the kids as well, man.

Speaker A (51:30):
Yeah. You're 6, 7 years old and, you know, it's unbelievable.

Speaker B (51:35):
Yeah.

Speaker A (51:35):
Absolutely crazy.
Crazy.
So I just.
I don't know if they've had anything like that
in the uk Anything similar.
Did they do anything similar, like stuff.
Kids train.

Speaker B (51:46):
I mean, I sloop not.
I'm sure it's.
The history is.
Can be pretty dark, so I don't know.
But I would Hope not.
You did say something there that reminded me
of something that my nan and granddadexperienced when, when they were staying in.
In a hotel in Devon, which is in the uk.
It's quite close to me.
There's a place called Dartmoor, which isquite a spooky place in, in the uk.
It's very.

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Got a lot of weird history, but a really coolplace.
But when Anne and Grandad were staying in thishotel and they were staying with friends and
their friends were staying like in the room.
I don't think it was right next door, but itwas near their room and they were, they were
told when they got to this hotel, this is.
This is what my nan and granddad told me,
that, that the staff in the hotel warned themthat there was a local flasher going around

(52:31):
flashing.
So if you see this guy, just report it andthey'll sort it out.
And it was a bit of a problem that they werehaving at the time.
This is probably going back.
This is when my dad was younger.
So this would have been like, probably the
70s.
This would have been like the 70s, I think.
And so they were standing in this hotel andthey were.
They were asleep and they heard this.
My nan and granddad said this piercing scream
that woke them up and my grand.

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They were trying to work out what it was and
my granddad was like to my nan, oh, I betthat's the local flasher.
I bet someone's seen the flasher.
Anyway, the next morning they found out it
wasn't the flasher, their friends that werestaying in the room nearby, it was them that
woke up during the night because they saw awoman in white walk through the room and just
through the wall and away.

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And it obviously scared the lady so much shescreamed and was terrified.
Anyway, the next morning they've all gone downto the reception in the hotel because they
were like, we're not staying in that roomanymore.
We want a new room.
We want to maybe even leave the hotel.
They told the hotel staff what they'd saw andthey were very scared and the hotel staff were
very calm and we're like, are you staying inroom.

(53:32):
I don't know what room it was, but are youstaying in room 25?
And they were like, yeah, they were like,yeah, that's absolutely normal.
People see that lady all the time.
Don't worry, we'll.
We'll put you in another room.
And it was just like, just so normal to thembecause it happened so often.
But my nan and granddad said that the ladythat Experienced that, that they heard scream
was never the same again after thatexperience.
Like, it really affected her and it reallychanged her.

Speaker A (53:55):
Yeah, yeah.
That's crazy.

Speaker B (53:57):
It was just when you said about the police saying, no, you've, you've.
You've seen a ghost, basically.
They're so used to that call.
So many people describe seeing the same thing.
It just, it brought me back to that, that
hearing that from my nan and granddad.
Yeah.

Speaker A (54:10):
Wow, that's an awesome story.
Thank you for sharing that, Tommy.
That's.

Speaker B (54:14):
And again, a woman in white.
A woman in white again, why?
Yeah, it's just like always white.

Speaker A (54:19):
It's white, like whether you were green or blue or something.

Speaker B (54:22):
Yeah, they just had white dresses.

Speaker A (54:27):
The next one I never heard of, but I thought it's pretty funny but also kind of
scary.
So this one is in, excuse me, Kansas City,Missouri, and it's called the Hamburger Man.
And it isn't a nice guy that gives you a BigMac and sends you on your merry way.
He's a murderous hermit with a disfigured facethat perhaps looks like ground hamburger meat.

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And he has a hooked hand and a ****** apron.
So if he catches you, Tommy, he butchers you
into hamburger meat.
And supposedly,
supposedly he's got a shanty somewhere in thestate park located in Hutchinson, Kansas.
So what happened to this guy?Why did he become Hamburger Man?

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And why does he want to turn you intohamburger?
Well, he was shunned by society and fled tothe park where he hides among the trees,
waiting to snag someone and slice them up withthe knife.
Now, the earliest accounts of his exploits goback to the 19.
He were victims who were foolhardy enough tobe other out in the dark in that area, or

(55:40):
worse, crazy enough to look for him for hishouse.
Luckily, there doesn't have to appear any hardevidence of such a man.
Lots of people have reported, though, havingseen him, though in many accounts he appears
like a ghost.
You feel like someone's watching you and you
feel like someone's standing by the road,appearing briefly in your rear view mirror.

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His origin is unknown.
Heidt says it might have been a Hutchinson
native hamburger seller by the name ofHamburger Jean.
And in the early 1900s, or this all might be acautionary tale, urban legend victims are
often those who say out too late and make poordecisions.

(56:23):
You could meet the Hamburger Man.
So there you go,
and I don't.

Speaker B (56:29):
Know what that's the thought of seeing someone in the back of your car while
you drop.
That would be the And I've spoke to people
that have experienced that.
I'm sure you have as well, where they've seen
something in the back.
I mean, that is.
That's terrifying, man.

Speaker A (56:40):
So we have a urban legend in Wisconsin called the ****** Bride,
and it's the ****** Bride Bridge.
And when you go over this bridge,
supposedly she appears in your back seat.
And when you look in the rear view mirror, you
can see this woman with this haggard face andblood all over her in a wedding dress just

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appear in your backseat just out of nowhere.
Also, to make it worse,
sometimes she'll appear in your passengerseat.
So sometimes when you're driving alone,suddenly she'll just appear.
And people have gotten into car accidents andeverything, having this woman a bit, man.

Speaker B (57:18):
Yeah.

Speaker A (57:18):
Oh, my God. And people have sworn they've seen her.
People have seen her many, many times.
And this legend has gone on in Wisconsin since
she's the 1940s.
And supposedly it was a bride who was shunned
on her wedding day, and then she killedherself on the sprint.
It's unbelievable.
Yeah.

Speaker B (57:36):
That's terrifying.
Yeah, I think I'd.
I think I might crash if something like thathappened.
For sure, man.

Speaker A (57:43):
I would, too.
I would get.
I would, like, hit the brakes, throw it in thepark, and jump out of my **** car.
I'm out.
I am out.
So the last story here is something's reallyinteresting.
This one I didn't hear about.
This one is in Wisconsin.
We were talking about Bigfoot and everythinglike that.
Supposedly there was an abominable snowman.

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So I don't know if you've heard of that.
The abominable snowman or the yeti.

Speaker B (58:10):
Absolutely.

Speaker A (58:11):
Like, similar to Bigfoot or what we call the Deltox Marsh monster.
So Wisconsin is the perfect place for thiscryptid because it lives in the frigid, snowy
temperatures.
And the creature was first sighted in Fremont,
Wisconsin, on October 19, 1868, when BobPerry, **** Blier, and Bill Mallow had to

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split up deer during a deer hunting trip inthe Deltox Marsh.
It was Bob who first saw it, mistaking thecryptid for a deer.
I don't know why you do that.
But shortly after **** and Bill got within a
stone's throw of it, they told no one whatthey saw.
Later In November, the three went on anotherhunting trip with 11 men in total.

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Oh, boy.
They reportedly hemmed the creature in.
Of course you want to kill it.
Which somehow managed to escape.
Still, that meant 11 witnesses, and thecommunity of Fremont and the nation gobbled up
the Story cripple crypto.
Zoologists and research have trickled in and

(59:24):
more sightings were confirmed, and theinvestigation seemed to rule out,
like, escaped zoo animals or some prankster ina suit.
So supposedly up in northern Wisconsin, whichis nothing but forest and trees and it's.
It's.
Boy, if you've been up there at night, which I
have been camping, it is spooky.

(59:46):
Yeah. You do not want to go out in thosewoods.
You can't see your hand in front of your facein the mud.
You know, I had to go relieve myself likeevery gentleman has to in the woods.
How many trees I bumped into, I couldn't tellyou, but I was like, walking.

Speaker B (01:00:00):
Boom.

Speaker A (01:00:00):
Oh, ****.
And bam.
Because you don't see it till you get rightup.
I mean, that's how dark it is.
I mean, you go there, it's really beautifulbecause there's no lights around it, nothing.
So there's no light pollution or anything likethat.
So the sky is unbelievable.
But you hear noises.
You hear things that freak you out.

(01:00:22):
So, yeah, I mean, there have been Bigfootsightings, supposedly in Wisconsin, but mostly
Dogman, Beast of Bray Road.
And now I guess the Abominable Snowman'shanging out there.

Speaker B (01:00:35):
Wow.

Speaker A (01:00:35):
Any thoughts on that?

Speaker B (01:00:37):
It's interesting because it goes back to what we were saying earlier, how these
things are very similar, they're just given,like a different name and we put a different
name on these things.

Speaker A (01:00:45):
Right.

Speaker B (01:00:45):
And I find, because every town you go to in the us,
there's a different name for seemingly thesame kind of thing, and it'll be, you know,
some exotic monster name.
And I really like that.
I like the fact that they've got differentnames and even in the uk, there's like
different names for these things, you know,and all around the world,
which I find fascinating.
Before we had the Internet as well, before we

(01:01:06):
was all connected like we are now, you know,people were still sharing the same stories,
just putting a different name on it.
And it just.
I find it interesting that these things areeverywhere.
You know, it's just perception.

Speaker A (01:01:18):
Right, exactly.
Do you have a favorite Cryptid in the uk?
Is there any good Cryptids in the uk?

Speaker B (01:01:25):
Well, I mean, I guess you've got to go with Nessie in the uk, the Loch Ness
Monster.
I mean, she's the.
The og, shall we say?
You know, there's a lot of theories of whatthat could be.
A giant eel, a sturgeon.
You know, there's a lot of different.
I like to think that it's.
It's a.
An actual Loch Ness monster.
There.
There is.
The legend is real.

(01:01:45):
You know, these things are seen in otherlocations around the world as well.
You know, I hope it's.
It's. What's the plesiosaur, I think the nameof the monster dinosaur that they say is.
I hope it's something like that.
That.

Speaker A (01:01:58):
Yeah.

Speaker B (01:01:58):
But, you know, but Bigfoot is.
Is my, my favorite.
You know,
there are Bigfoot reports in the uk.
You know, I know it can be slightly more, youknow, I think if they're here in the uk, it is
more of a supernatural thing, I would say.
I'm only guessing, but I like to think thatthere's Bigfoot everywhere as well.
It's like my, it's my romantic side.

(01:02:18):
I love, I love to think that there's these
creatures out in the forest, you know.

Speaker A (01:02:22):
Yeah, yeah, right, exactly.
And I think in the uk, don't you guys, people
have said they've seen like trolls.

Speaker B (01:02:29):
Absolutely.
The pixie law and stuff like that.
Fairies.
Big part of, you know, folklore in the uk, in
Ireland, in.
In all sorts of places like that and these.
And again in the US as well, you've got likethe pukwudgie in like New England, and that is
exactly the same as what a pixie is in Devonin the uk.
You know, exactly the same thing.

(01:02:49):
The trickster entities in the forest,
you know, or, you know,
they're pretty much the same thing, mysticalcreatures, but again, they're just given a
different name and it's.
Is it the same thing or is it something
different?

Speaker A (01:03:01):
Yeah,
I love it. So, Tommy, I could talk to you forhours.
This has been flying bass too fast.
This was.
Thank you so great and everything like that.
So could you tell my spooky friends what you
got coming up and where they can find you tolisten to your podcast?

Speaker B (01:03:16):
Yeah. Well, thank you very much.
First, it's been an absolute pleasure being on
your show, man.
Thank you very much.
That's gone so quick.
Such a great conversation.
I'd love to have you on let's Get Freaky as
well.

Speaker A (01:03:26):
Yeah, but we.

Speaker B (01:03:26):
Yeah, wherever you get your podcast.
Tommy Cullums.
Let's Get Freaky.
Apple Podcast, Spotify, Amazon Music, whereveryou get your podcasts.
Also on YouTube as well.
You can check us out on there.
Put a lot of.
Most of the videos on there now.
And social media, Instagram, Facebook, TickTock X. We're everywhere.
Let's Get Freaky podcast.
You'll see my little ginger cartoon face.

(01:03:47):
And that's.
That's with a bigfoot, an alien and a ghost
behind me and that's us.
Let's get freaky.

Speaker A (01:03:53):
I love my spooky friends.
Please check Tommy out.
He I've only gone through a handful and I'mI'm going to listen to because some of these
are really scary things you know and some ofthese people who are talking about things like
Tommy said it really makes you feel like manyou know this is as creepy but it's the same

(01:04:15):
too when you're talking to UK or states it'skind of the same you know.

Speaker B (01:04:20):
Yeah absolutely.

Speaker A (01:04:22):
View different entities and different spirits and things like that.
So again amazing time.
Yes.
I would love to be on the podcast.

Speaker B (01:04:31):
Let's do it man.
Yeah.

Speaker A (01:04:32):
It was so awesome.
I love it.
You're the best Tommy.
And remember stay spooky and then let's get
free.
All right guys.
Thank you so much Tommy.

Speaker B (01:04:44):
Thank you brother.

Speaker A (01:04:51):
It.