Ghost Gossip Podcast – Haunted Houses, Shadow Figures & Eloise Asylum

This week on Dairyland Frights, John welcomes Ashley, host of the Ghost Gossip podcast, for a chilling yet fun conversation about life inside a haunted house, sleep paralysis, and what it’s like being sensitive to spirits when your husband is a skeptic.

Ashley shares her personal experiences with shadow people, orbs, and the overwhelming presence of a spirit who didn’t appreciate her remodeling his former home. From scary encounters like sleep paralysis to lighter moments like dealing with haunted dolls, Ashley dives deep into how living with the paranormal inspired her to start her podcast.

Later, John and Ashley explore the disturbing history of Eloise Psychiatric Hospital in Michigan—a massive asylum that housed thousands, with stories of mistreatment, shock therapy, lobotomies, and restless spirits still lingering today. Expect unsettling ghost stories, dark humor, and heartfelt reflections on why people share their paranormal encounters.

If you’re fascinated by haunted houses, creepy asylums, or the mysteries of the afterlife, this is an episode you won’t want to miss.

👻 Topics Covered in This Episode:

• Ashley’s haunted house experiences (shadow people, orbs, oppressive energy)

• Sleep paralysis and its terrifying connection to the paranormal

• Haunted dolls, Ouija boards, and why John and Ashley say “no thanks”

• Eloise Psychiatric Hospital’s dark history and infamous hauntings

• Why sharing ghost stories is so important for people who have carried them for years

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Episode Transcript

Speaker A (00:00):
Foreign.
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(00:20):
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see how we can improve the show, make itbetter,
and stay spooky.
Dairyland Frights, the paranormal podcast thatcovers everything spooky, creepy, and
mysterious in the Midwest and beyond.
And today I have a great guest on one of myfellow podcasters, Ashley from the Ghost

(00:47):
Gossip podcast.
Welcome, Ashley.

Speaker B (00:50):
Hey, thank you for having me.

Speaker A (00:51):
Yes, I checked out your podcast.
I really love it.
You have a lot of fun talking to guests aboutthe paranormal and other things.
You kind of talk sometimes about life and.

Speaker B (01:02):
Yeah, we.
We go off on tangents sometimes, but that's
okay.

Speaker A (01:05):
That's.
That's all right.
You know, that's what makes it fun andeverything.
Hey, I'm the tangent king.
You know, you get started on something and
then you're like, hey, you know, I wonder ifdogs see ghosts.
Maybe that.
Yeah, then we start talking about.
You start talking about that, right?And you're like, yeah, my dog used to bark at
this one room all the time, and there wasnobody in that room.
And,

(01:26):
like,
cool.
Or, you know, would, like, start to whine or
something like that.
And then I just think that's fun.
You know, you get off on those tangents andhave a little bit of fun with it and
everything like that.
So why don't you tell my spooky friends aboutyour podcast, like, what it's about?
Like, what do you cover so they can, you know,check you out later?

Speaker B (01:44):
Well, the name of the ghost of the podcast is Ghost Gossip.
I literally just talk about anythingparanormal related,
whether it be ghost or spirits or sleepparalysis or haunted locations.
And it really is just a wide or vast.
I mean, you name it, we talk about it.
And that's one of the beauties of gossipbecause, I mean, it can really go anywhere.

(02:07):
My husband is on every once in a while withme, and we discuss haunted locations.
And because he comes for the history, I comefrom the hauntings, so he.
I tell him the history and then I tell him thehauntings, and that kind of like lures him in
to do this with me every once in a while.

Speaker A (02:22):
And.

Speaker B (02:22):
And then I talk to investigators, I talk to psychic mediums, I talk to people with
ghost stories, and then I also readindividuals ghost stories on an episode of
Listener Happenings.
So it's just a really wide variety of topics,and it's.
It's a lot of fun.
We love it.

Speaker A (02:38):
Yeah. I've been listening to some of your episodes, and they.
They're really fun.
And of course, you know, following you on
Instagram and everything like that,
and you have a lot of fun,
and also, you know, it gets a little spookysometimes, you know, a little scary.
And that's okay, though.
You know,
I think the paranormal world is full ofinteresting things, fascinating things, as

(03:00):
well as scary things, obviously, but also funthings and, you know, very heartfelt things
that people don't understand.
It's not always about.
I mean, it's Hollywood.
They got it.
They got the blood and the guts, and.
But most of the time, it's just, like, a lotof people just trying to find out what's out
there and what does it mean.

(03:21):
Right.
And I think that's interesting.
Yeah.
So one thing I always like to ask my guestsis, what inspired you to do this podcast?

Speaker B (03:30):
Well, I bought a haunted house, and I was living in it, and I was feeling crazy,
Absolutely crazy.
And I truly was like, okay, I gotta do
something.
I gotta figure out what is going on.
And I have to talk about it, because I am aprocessor.
I'm just like.
I have to talk things through.
And my husband wasn't experiencing things likeI was, because I'm sensitive.

(03:54):
He's not.
And I was like, I know that this is not just
me, because you talk to anybody and youmention a haunted house, and they're gonna be
like, my grandmother lived in a haunted house,or I stayed with a friend and we played a
Ouija board.
I mean, there's always something.
So I was like, I just want to talk about it.
And that's how I started.
And that was three years ago.
And here we are, and I don't have the haunted
house anymore, but I am still talking aboutit.

Speaker A (04:17):
Yeah. Yeah. So haunted.
That can mean a lot.
What.
What experiences did you have in that house?

Speaker B (04:25):
I experienced shadow people.
I experienced lights coming on and off.
I experience moving objects, noises,footsteps.
The first thing that I noticed was thatoverwhelming feeling of always being watched
and, like, you're never alone.
And that was kind of like my first inkling
that something was kind of off.
Orbs. I know orbs are debatable, but the orbsthat I would see were unlike any other orbs

(04:49):
I've ever seen before.
And they had direction.
They would change direction.
It's like.
It was very strange.
I think one of the scariest things that I
experienced in that house, and only in thathouse, was sleep paralysis and Also, I know.
Depends on who you talk to.
Astral projection.
It was very weird.
It was crazy.

Speaker A (05:08):
Yeah. So let's talk about a little bit about sleep paralysis and everything like
that.
It's kind of a serious thing,
you know, dealing with people who go throughit.
What was, like, your experience?
Were you just frozen?Did you see something,
or what was kind of going on?

Speaker B (05:25):
My first, very first experience.
I remember it like it happened yesterday.
I was dreaming that I was ghost hunting withSam and Colby in the house of all the people,
right?They were in the old owner's bedroom, which
was my daughter's bedroom.
And I remember I was looking in this littleattic space because her room had, like, one of

(05:47):
those little doors that went to the attic, andthey were looking in there, and I remember
seeing this, like, figure, and I felt like hewas targeting my daughter.
And I was like, no, if you want to mess withsomebody, you have to mess with me.
You come through me.
And when I said that in my dream, I got sucked
back into my body.
And when my eyes opened, I was in completesleep paralysis.
And I didn't see anything, but I could feelthis thing in my room over my bed.

(06:12):
And I was trying to.
I didn't know what was happening.
I had never had it before.
But something in me said, pray.
And so I tried to say the Our Father.
And the more I tried to pray, the more Icouldn't remember the words of the Our Father.
And I was starting to, like.
Like, my eyes were moving,
and I was watching this.

(06:33):
Like I said, I couldn't see anything, but I
could feel it over me.
And I just kept.
Our Father.
Our Father.
Our Father.
And then finally, I was able to force it out.
And when I said amen, I went back to sleep,
and it was done.
And every time after that, I would kind of gotmore control over it, and I could finally say
the whole prayer.
And the last time I had it, I said, leave me
alone.

(06:55):
And I went back to sleep.

Speaker A (06:56):
There you go.
You know, Come on.
We all need to sleep.
What was the history of your house?

Speaker B (07:01):
I was the second owner.
It was built in 1999, and the guy that built
it, he had a.
Oh, he's gonna get mad at me for even talkingabout it.
He doesn't like when I talk about him, but he.
He. It's like he just knows.
I was talking about it last night, and I couldtell he kind of made an appearance.
But anyway, story for another time.

Speaker A (07:20):
He.

Speaker B (07:20):
He loved the house.
Him and his mother lived in the house.
It was set up to be like a multi generationalhome.
She lived on the main floor, he lived on thesecond floor.
And he ran his business out of the basement.
And they lived there together until 2018 whenhe died.
He died in the kitchen.
He had an allergic reaction to an injection
and ended up dying in the kitchen.

(07:40):
And his mother was put into,
like, a retirement facility where she diedfour months later.
And then the house sat vacant until 2021, whenthe housing.
Housing market boomed.
And then here I come around with three
children and four animals and my goofyhusband, and we need the space.
And we bought the house.

(08:01):
And he did not like women, he did not likechildren, he did not like animals.
And here we came barreling into that house,and we were very much disruptive to his
afterlife.

Speaker A (08:11):
Yeah, that's.
That's really interesting.
I hear that a lot,
even with apartments.
You know, I. I've had people tell me a story
where they moved into an apartment where anolder couple, an older man, whatever, older
woman lived in this apartment.
And when they started.
I don't know if this happened to you.
This is very subtle, but when they startedmoving the furniture, they didn't like it.

(08:36):
Like, you know what I mean?
When they moved in and they would move thefurniture a certain way,
like, it would get pushed back.
Like, they would wake up in the morning and
the chair would be pushed back.
Right.
Anything like that happened to you?

Speaker B (08:48):
Oh, I knocked down walls.
Oh, I made him mad.
I took out walls.
The house looked like it was stuck in theepisode of 90210.
No lie.
It had sponge paint walls.
It was all pastel green and pink and sometimesa little bit of baby blue in there.
And it had tile.
We had.
We're talking like four different types oftile just on the main floor.

(09:09):
I mean, he.
It was wild.
It made no sense.
And so I came in and I saw.
I had a vision.
I was like, ooh, we can make this ours.
And so I ripped walls out and I took out
fixtures and I painted everything.
And boy, he did not like that.
He thought I was tearing up his house.
And then towards the end, he was better.
But in the beginning, it was a lot.

(09:30):
It was.
It made him very mad.

Speaker A (09:31):
Yeah. And that's really interesting to me because.
And your house is not 1999, you said?Mm, yeah.
Okay.
So it's not that old, you know, and.
Cause usually you come across.
I moved in this house, it's from the 1800s,and I start, you know, renovating the kitchen,
and all hell breaks loose.
Right?

(09:52):
And,
yeah, that's so interesting.
Did you ever.
Except for that.
Well, sleep paralysis and some other things.
Did you ever feel, like, threatened?
Like, you know.
Really?

Speaker B (10:03):
Oh, yeah, he was, he was, he was looming.
It was a negative, oppressive feeling all thetime.

Speaker A (10:09):
That's interesting.
So,
you know, you don't have to bring this up, butif you want to.
Were you ever attacked or would you ever, likehair pull, bruises, stuff like that?

Speaker B (10:18):
He poked me in my back one night.
I felt left finger right in my back.
And I was like, don't touch me.
No, he never really.
So the first year and a half was the worstbecause that's when I was actively trying to
get him out of the house.
And then once I realized I couldn't get him
out, I was like, we can stay here together,but you've got to stop messing with my kids.
You got to stop messing with me.

(10:40):
My husband's oblivious.
He's like, da, da, da, da, da, living his bestlife.
But the kids were experiencing him.
My one daughter was seeing him and like, he
was reaching for her in the middle of thenight and she was scared to death.
And I was like, you've got to stop that.
But here is your room.
You can stay in this room.
This is your room and we'll leave you alone.
And things got better.

(11:00):
But he never attacked.
But the first year we lived there, I got very
sick.
Like, I'm talking about migraines every day to
the point where I had a CT scan.
Like, I honestly thought I was going crazy.
I was having all sorts of pain.
I was.
And there was nothing that could explain it
medically.
I mean, we got test run CT scans, all sorts of

(11:21):
blood work, and there was absolutely nothingwrong with me.
And when I told him, hey, we can stay heretogether, you just gotta back off.
Yeah, I got better.
And I rarely have migraines now.
It was like every single day.
It was horrible.

Speaker A (11:34):
Yeah. And you said your husband just, what, dealt with it.

Speaker B (11:38):
Oblivious.
The only thing that he experienced, like, see,
he was not a believer for a long time.
He was very skeptical.
And I am a sensitive and an intuitive and abeliever.
And so we are different sides of the spectrum.
And it wasn't until he was by himself in theliving room doing a test, studying for this

(11:59):
huge licensing exam he had.
And I was in, I was asleep.
And one night he heard footsteps.
And the kids were with their other parentsthat weekend, and he heard the footsteps move
into the room over our bedroom.
And he thought I went upstairs.
Well, he came in there and I was asleep.
And he's like, that was weird.
Well, I heard them, too.
I thought he had gone upstairs.

(12:20):
You know, I heard them before I fell asleep.
Well, the next day, right around that sametime period,
he was working in the living room, and thesunroom light came on, and he's like.
And he said,
I don't need that on right now.
Can you turn it off?
And the light went off, and he's like,
okay, it's time to go to bed.
So that's when he started to believe.
But our ghost really left my husband alone.

(12:43):
He was.
I. He really liked my husband.

Speaker A (12:45):
Hmm. Interesting.
So, two last questions to deal with your
house.
One, did you ever bring in priests?
A medium, Somebody sage your house, Cleanseit, bless it.

Speaker B (12:58):
I saged my house.
I did a horrible job.
The first time I did it, it was absolutelyhorrible.
I didn't know what I was doing.
The second time, I had somebody come in.
And it helped me,
but it was.
It affected me a lot.
It was one of those, like, when we got to thekitchen, like, everything was feeling better.
But when we got to the kitchen, I started toalmost go into,
like, an anaphylaxis shock.

(13:19):
And I couldn't breathe.
I couldn't swallow.
I couldn't, like, take an inhale or anything.
And I didn't know what was happening.
And then the smoke detector in his own room,
old room, went off, and we weren't near it,and it was almost like he just, like, went
out.
But he didn't leave.
He was.
He was still around after that.
He just wasn't as much of an *******.

(13:40):
I don't know if I can say that on yourpodcast, but you can go right ahead.

Speaker A (13:42):
You can say whatever you want.

Speaker B (13:44):
He calmed down a little bit, you know, he.
He calmed down and had the house blessed.
And he calmed down, and it really was after I
told him, we can stay here together.
You just gotta chill out.
Like, stop being an ***.

Speaker A (13:55):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B (13:56):
And he turned into, like, a little grumpy grandpa.

Speaker A (13:59):
Yeah,
that. That. That's typically what I've heardfrom people.
What fascinates me, too, is speaking to anumber of people of haunted houses on my
podcast.
One they say, and maybe this is similar for
you too.
It's not every.
It's not like the movies where you come homeand there's debris flying around and then

(14:20):
whatever.
It's kind of like they're better days.
It's like, oh, it's not too bad today.
And then there's other days where it's alittle bit testy and you Got to be like, okay,
like you said, hey, you're being an ***.
Knock it off.
I need to get my sleep.
And, you know, you just chill out or whatever.
And again, it all comes down to people forget

(14:40):
ghosts were people.
Right.
They're just like you and me, Right?
So eventually, when we pass on and let's saysomeone comes into our house and I don't know
if we're stuck there.
Hopefully not.
But if we are and someone does what you'redoing,
ripping out homes and a bunch of animalsrunning around your dogs and cats and kids

(15:01):
screaming and popsicles on the wall and.
Yeah, yeah.
You know.
Yeah.
And things like that.
Right.
You're going to be mad.
You're gonna be like, I just.
I built that kitchen.

Speaker B (15:12):
What are you doing?

Speaker A (15:13):
And they're like, smash fast.
Those are custom cats.

Speaker B (15:17):
Yeah, I know, I know.
And that's what I had to tell my kids.
Like.
Like, you have to remember, he was once alive.
And he wasn't nice when he was alive.
It's not like he was this super sweet guy whenhe was alive.
I know a lot about this guy.
He was not friendly.
And so I always tell the kids, if you havesomebody who wasn't that friendly in life,
more than likely they're not that friendly indeath either.

Speaker A (15:38):
Correct.
Correct.

Speaker B (15:39):
He's not a demon.
He's not.
He's not bad.
He's just grumpy, you know, he's just a jerk.

Speaker A (15:44):
Right? Yeah. It's a curmudgeon, if you want to use a
fancy word, you know.

Speaker B (15:49):
That's right.

Speaker A (15:50):
So I have to know.
When you did, you just.
You.
You sold your house, correct?
Yeah.
Okay.
Did you tell the.
The new owners now?

Speaker B (15:59):
No, we don't.
We didn't have to.
And I talked to my.
My realtor about it.
In the state I'm in, we didn't have to
disclose it.
If they asked, we could have, but because they
didn't ask, it was one of those things.
When it comes to haunting, it's kind of likemy husband.
They can be very subjective to who isexperiencing them.

Speaker A (16:16):
Absolutely.

Speaker B (16:16):
One person can experience one thing and the other person won't.

Speaker A (16:20):
Absolutely. Yeah. And that happens, too, because you, you know, we've probably
done stories on it or have read stories oryou've gotten stories from your guests or your
listeners, I should say, where it's like, Iwas a little girl and it just centered on me.
And then when I moved out, nothing.
Nothing happened again.

(16:41):
Right,
Exactly. That's always.
That's always fascinating to me, like, why
does it choose certain people?Like, you can go in and nothing's happening,
and then the next people who move in are like,hey, you didn't tell me this house is haunted.
And you're like,
really wasn't.
You know, I heard stuff, but I'm not, you
know, and there's not much you can do.

(17:02):
Right?
I mean, it's just.
That's the way the spirits take over.
So let's talk about your podcast.
What episode.
What episode have you done that surprised you,
Ashley, that you had a guest on or a topicthat you want?
Huh?I never really thought about it that way.

Speaker B (17:21):
Oh, goodness.
You know, my psychic medium friends are always
ones that make me go, huh?You know, because they are the way they see
things.
They always blow my mind.
Hold on, let me think.
Cause I've been doing this for about three
years, and I'm just like, let me think.

Speaker A (17:35):
Yeah.

Speaker B (17:36):
Oh, I have a good one.
I have a good one.
I had.
Her name is Taylor.
She collects haunted dolls.

Speaker A (17:43):
Oh, the worst.

Speaker B (17:44):
And she has 40 in her house.
And I love her dearly, and her dolls areprecious.
It. I,
as a sensitive, got.
I. I mean, they.
Every time she was talking about one, like, Igot a headache, I got nauseous, I got
butterflies in my stomach.
I felt dizzy, and I was like.
I would keep asking her, she goes, oh, that'sJessica.
Oh, that's.

(18:05):
You know.
And she was just going through.
And that changed my thought as to how I feelabout haunted dolls.
I'm still terrified of them.
I don't want them in my house, but me, too.
Yeah. Also the Ouija board episode.
I had the manager and owner of the large the
Ouija Board Museum in Salem.
I interviewed him, and I'm actually going to
meet him in a month.

Speaker A (18:26):
Nice. Yeah, I love that.
Because again,
both you wonder, right?I mean, the most famous doll out of them all
is really two, maybe three Annabelle, right?Robert the doll.

Speaker B (18:39):
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker A (18:42):
And I think there's one other one.
I'm trying to think if there's one other one,
but basically,
those dolls are.
Oh, yeah.
Are considered,
you know, the top of the top.
Now, I don't know what you think.
Annabelle, to me, is kind of a.
I don't know.
How do I say?
Like,
I don't think something's that powerful.

(19:04):
And it is.
Why is it out and about?
Like, it's bringing it.
Like, if you bring it like a nuclear missile
and just start bringing it to parties and belike,
that,
Guys,
don't hate your house.
Here's the Red button.
I'm gonna push it.
You know.

(19:24):
Yeah, I get it, Robert.
The Dow,
if,
you know, that is in a case in a Floridamuseum, they make it very, very clear.
Do not take a picture.
Or if you do, say thank you.
They have rules, right?

Speaker B (19:40):
Yes.

Speaker A (19:42):
So. So it's easier.
Right.
And I know I haven't interviewed him, but Ilove to get the head of the museum on there.
But I do have had guests on who have been atthe museum and have talked to, you know, the
person who is the caretaker, Robert the Doll,
and have said, you know, we have strictpolicies in place to protect ourselves, staff

(20:02):
as well as the guy.
But Annabelle, they're just.
We're just bringing around and give me 50bucks and you can see it.
Does that make sense to you, Ashley?

Speaker B (20:11):
Yeah, And I'm not.
I mean, why they have her out and about.
No, it doesn't make sense.
But I'm not going to talk bad about her.
Annabelle, how you doing, girl?
I'm not talking bad about her.
No, no. Or Robert, how you doing, honey?You good?
Thank you.
You're welcome.

Speaker A (20:25):
Bye.

Speaker B (20:26):
Bye. All the thanks.

Speaker A (20:29):
Absolutely.

Speaker B (20:29):
Nope.

Speaker A (20:30):
Absolutely.

Speaker B (20:31):
I met Peggy the Doll.
She's in Zach Baggins.
And it's.
You have to say hello, Peggy, and Goodbye,
Peggy.
And you bet your bottom I was like, hi, Peggy,
girl,
I'm not looking at you, honey.
I'm not gonna look at you in your eye.
I think that's Robert the Doll.
But I'm just gonna make a good lesson out of
it.
I'm not gonna look any doll in the eye.

Speaker A (20:47):
Goodbye.

Speaker B (20:48):
Bye, girl.
I'll see you later.
You stay here.
Oh, yeah.
You know, just in case.

Speaker A (20:52):
Yeah, right.
It's. It's hard because,
again, you don't know if you're doing it.
If you're doing it together.
There's a whole bunch of.
A bunch of things, you know, associated with
it.
Yeah.
And I love psychics and mediums and empaths,too.
I think they're fascinating people.
And I think we've all listened to your
podcast.

(21:13):
You know, I think we've had the good ones on.
Hopefully.
We don't know what they do in their personallife, but we do know that in their
professional life, they sound, you know, veryforward and very nice and willing to help.
And, you know, you said you're a sensitive.
I'm glad I'm not, because that can bedifficult.

(21:35):
Right.
Sometimes, you know, so do you ever have,
I don't know,
something like an incident or something thatmaybe you've gone into?
Maybe someone's house.
You've been in a building or something?
What?Man, this doesn't feel right.
I mean, how do you handle that?
Do you tell the person, like,
no.

Speaker B (21:55):
Yeah. So, like, for example, my sister's bird died the other week.
And when I was walking into her house, Itouched her doorknob, and I was like, her
bird's gonna die.
And I was like,
but what are you.
What am I supposed to do?
Hey, Amy, your bird's gonna croak today.
And you know, what if it didn't?So I didn't say anything.
And then the next morning, I get a text, hey,the bird died.

(22:15):
And I was like,
duh.

Speaker A (22:17):
Dang it.

Speaker B (22:19):
So there's.
There was a house that I. When we were house
hunting before we bought the haunted house, Iwent in and I told my husband.
I was like, God, this house feels so sad.
I think somebody died of COVID And then Ifound out a few days later that the.
The husband died of COVID six months beforethe house went on the market.
And so, yes, I have premonitions.
I get stuff like that.

(22:39):
And it's usually nothing I can do aboutanything.
It's just the gift of knowing.
But there's nothing I can do about it.

Speaker A (22:47):
It's kind of a blessing and a curse at the same time, right?
Because it's a blessing that maybe,
I don't know, from time to time, you couldmaybe prevent something,
you know?And I don't know if that's true.
I'm just throwing it out here, but maybe, youknow, someone's going, hey, I'm.
I'm going to,
I don't know, water skiing tomorrow, and youhave a premonition of them drowning.

(23:08):
You know what I mean?
I don't know what you do with that,
you know?Do you just go,
hey, maybe you don't want to go water skiing.
Maybe you just want to hang out on the picnic
or something?

Speaker B (23:21):
I don't know what I typically do.
It's the most beneficial with my kids.
They hate it.
I think it's great because I can usually tell
when they're up to something, like.
And that's mother's intuition, but it goes.
It goes to another level when it comes to me
and my kids, and I'll, like, pop out and I'llbe like, don't do that.
And they'll be like, how does she always know?
But it. It. I'll just.

(23:43):
I just know.
And then my husband, he has a medicalcondition, and every once in a while, I will
be.
It'll just hit Me, he hasn't taken his
medicine, and I'll message him.
And I'm like, did you take your medicine?And he's like, no. And then.
So he'll come back home.
And so stuff like that.
So with the people that are close to me,
I'm comfortable reaching out now with DeadBird, I couldn't.
I.

(24:03):
I didn't want to do that, but when, like, Ihave.
One of my best friends is.
Has a situation right now, and she was talking
to me, and I got like a little premonition,and all I said was, don't let your guard down.
And that was, you know, I'm not going to giveher advice.
I'm not going to.
I don't do readings.
I don't do this, I don't do that.
It's just, hey, honey, I know, I know this is
going on.
Don't let your guard down.

Speaker A (24:23):
Right? That's why it's a blessing and a curse.

Speaker B (24:26):
It is.
It is.

Speaker A (24:27):
And that's.
That's tough.
That's why I'm glad I'm not.
One of the things with that is, I don't know
if you've spoken to any of your psychics ormediums or empaths or however you want to,
you know, categorize them or clarify them, butone of mine, I had on.
She talks about Spirit Guy.
I have four, by the way.
I'm not trying to brag.

Speaker B (24:46):
Very cool, very cool.

Speaker A (24:48):
But anyway, what was fascinating, I never put it up on my side.
And the reason why, because it was sopersonal.
Like, she could channel my spirit guide andshe was going through it and.
And I was going to put it up, and then I waslike, I'm not gonna.
That's too personal.
Because she was.
The spirit guides knew stuff.

(25:09):
There's no way.
Ashley.
There's no way.
Unless she broke.
Unless she hacked into my medical record,
hacked into my tax records, hacked intoeverything.
I mean, it's not.
I get it.
A lot of people can argue.
Well, they can look at your Facebook, yourInstagram, your.
Your.
Your X, Twitter, whatever.
Or talk to some people and they can give apretty good idea what's going on.

(25:32):
I get that.
But also,
like, one, that's a lot of work.

Speaker B (25:37):
Yeah.

Speaker A (25:38):
I was not paying her for anything.
She was exactly on her own, you know, just.
Just to talk through.
And, you know,
again, I think that's fascinating because Iget a lot of pushback.
Do you get any pushback from some of yourlisteners about the mediums?
Anybody reach out to you and go, like, Comeon.

Speaker B (25:56):
No,
I'm sure I will at some point, you know, and Irespect everybody's beliefs.
You believe what you want to believe.
That is it.
That is the beautiful part of being who we
are.
We have that ability to believe what we want
to believe.
Just don't be a **** about it, you know?
And if you don't believe in what I do, likeparanormal or being.

(26:17):
I call it a baby psychic medium.
I. I don't.
The medium part, I. I struggle with thepsychic part, with the visions and stuff.
I. I can understand.
But you know, you don't have to be a jerk.
Kindness goes a long way.
It's okay if you don't believe in what Ibelieve, and it's okay if I don't believe in
what you believe.
And we can still have a conversation and befriends.
That's okay.

Speaker A (26:36):
Absolutely. And I think me and you doing these podcasts,
our main goal, I feel, at least for me, isdemystify.
Let people come out with stuff.
Because there's some people who've been
carrying and maybe you've had someone.
I haven't listened to all your episodes.
I've just listened to some.
But people had an experience when they were

(26:57):
six,
right?

Speaker B (26:58):
Yeah.

Speaker A (26:59):
And they carried that.
Now they're in their 30s, 40s, whatever.
You carry that with you and you can't talk toanybody about.
Is my.
One of my favorite stories is about one of my
guests.
She was six and she saw a ghost and she saidto her mom, mom, I see a ghost and I'm scared

(27:20):
and everything.
Ah, you're dreaming, you're sleeping.
Whatever, it doesn't matter.
Right.
She turns 18.
Guess what?Full disclosure.
The mom and dad.
Yep.
This is a haunted house.
There are ghosts.
You're right.
Everything.
What you saw was good.

Speaker B (27:32):
Surprise.

Speaker A (27:32):
Surprise.
What, like,
huh.
I get it.
As a parent.
We're both parents.
I get it.
We don't want to tell our.
You know, my kids are older now.
I don't know what your kids age is about, but
you don't want to tell your 6 year old.
You know what?I've been seeing this shadow person in my
closet too.
And it's piercing,
piercing red eyes and just stares at me.

Speaker B (27:53):
It's the boogeyman.
Congratulations.

Speaker A (27:55):
It's the boogeyman.
Okay. Good night.
See ya.
I'll see you in the morning, sweetie.

Speaker B (28:00):
Yep.

Speaker A (28:01):
Clay, no. So you gotta bounce.

Speaker B (28:03):
Yep. But I hope you so good.
Love you.

Speaker A (28:06):
Oh, wait, what's going on? Or, you know, people are like, they're just.
You probably agree with me there's thousandsof stories out there people still haven't
told.
Right.
Because they're just.
They're still too.
I don't know, whatever.
I. I like it when everybody knows.
I don't know about if.
If you work or where you work.
But, like, where I work,

(28:27):
I make it pretty much well known every placeI've worked that I'm into the paranormal.
And I like freaky, freaky stuff andeverything.
And what's funny is people do come up to meand we'll be like, hey, John.
And they'll tell me, like, this story about,
you know, isn't that great?I think it's great,
you know, awesome.

Speaker B (28:46):
It's awesome.
And because what you're doing is, you're
freeing up that mental load that they've beencarrying.
And they're like, I'm not alone.

Speaker A (28:53):
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
And you, you.
You don't feel like you're crazy too, right?
Like, am I crazy?Like, do I really need professional help?
I don't know.
Maybe. Maybe you do, but.
Yeah. So before we get to our topic here,
Ashley, what scares you the most in theparanormal?
Yes.

(29:17):
Hmm.

Speaker B (29:18):
That's a good one.
Probably,
I don't know.
I don't get scared a lot.
The time that I was the scaredest was thesleep paralysis.
Of course, when I. When I could not rememberthe prayer, that's what scared me.
It was.
It felt very heavy, very negative, very
oppressive.
But the one time that I saw a shadow figure
that was about 7ft tall, that was prettyscary.

(29:41):
And I won't lie.
The idea of entities and crawlers terrify me.
Anything that's super heavy and negative,
especially if it's crawling towards me,
the thought of it, I don't even want to gothere.

Speaker A (29:55):
You know, I have a weird one, but maybe it's not so weird.
And I have a weird one where I'm in a field,like an empty field, and then all of a sudden
something's coming towards me and I can'tmove.
You know what I mean?Something is running towards me.
A creature,
an entity, a shadow.
And I can't move.
It's just.
He's closer and closer and closer.

Speaker B (30:17):
Is that a dream that you have?

Speaker A (30:18):
That is a dream I have had.
And it's really bizarre.
And not that, you know, I live here in
Wisconsin.
There's fields everywhere, in forest and
everything like that.
It doesn't scare me.
What's more scary to me,
at least in my area, is winter.
In the summer, I'm not so scared.
I don't know why?Hearing the bugs, the moonlight, stuff like

(30:40):
that, no big deal.
But in the winter where it's like just
nothing, just gold and heart gold andwhatever, you know, just terrible.
Awesome.
So thank you for sharing that, Ashley.
Oh,
let's get into our topic.
I think you'll like this one.

Speaker B (30:57):
Okay.

Speaker A (31:00):
I haven't done this topic in a while and I found this and I said,
gotta love it.
The topic today is, and if you've heard aboutthis,
please share as well as during I tell all myguests, please.
When I'm reading the history and stuff, justchime on in, it's all good.
It's a script, but it's not a script.
I thought I'm gonna be like, ah, dang it,

(31:21):
Ashley, I screwed me up.
I gotta start again.
Take two.
So today we are going to cover the EloisePsychiatric Hospital in Ashland, Michigan.
So this is a very least known.
Everyone knows Trans Allegheny and all the

(31:43):
other big ones, you know.
But I'm gonna read a little history here and Ithink you're going to be blown away by like,
oh, I didn't know this Eloise,
what you talk about.
Eloise was once a city until itself.
It had 75 buildings, had a police department,

(32:04):
a fire department,
a dairy, a pig farm, a bakery and a school.
So it was unlike other psychiatric hospitals,was just a hospital.
Right.
And typically maybe there's some other
buildings around it.
Here's the thing though, this blew me away.
I always like to start out with these fun
facts.
They're fun, scary facts.

(32:25):
Hundred people are buried in the potter'sfield.
Many unidentified.
So they have over 7,000 people, Ashley.

Speaker B (32:34):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker A (32:36):
And the other thing is they don't know where half these bodies are, you know
what I'm saying?Like they literally were like that.
That's a good.
Let's just throw, throw the person in there,
you know.

Speaker B (32:46):
Wow.

Speaker A (32:47):
So.
And what's funny is when I've looked at someof the other psychiatric,
psychiatric hospitals, asylums, what do youwant to call them?
You know, they've had like maybe a couplethousand or nobody really knows the answer.
No, they know from certain records.
It's.
It's at least that.
Let me stress that it's at least that.

Speaker B (33:08):
So there could be more, could be more.

Speaker A (33:10):
So let's talk a little bit about the history.
This sprawling complex operated from 18:9 toearly 1982.
Starting out as a poor house and farm.
So for people.
I'll just repeat again, and maybe you'refamiliar with this, Ashley, maybe not.
But a poor house or, or a farm, basically.
You couldn't pay your debts.

(33:31):
You were maybe in debt or maybe a low criminal
or maybe something to that effect.
And you'd work on this farm.
So, you know, but you're not getting paid.
You're not getting the food, you're not reallygetting anything.
You're just kind of working on this place.
And then maybe if you're lucky, they'll put
you in the poor house and give you one meal aday.

(33:53):
If you're lucky, maybe some medical care.
The 18 were terrible.
I would not want to go back in a time machineto the 1800s.
I don't care what anybody said.
So in 32, well, it eventually, excuse me,developed from this whorehouse and farm,
eventually developed into an asylum, asanitarium, kind of same thing, and then a

(34:13):
Hospital.
In 1832, it was known as the Wayne County Poor
house.
This was actually quite common, like I said atthe time, as mental illnesses were not fully
understood and many poor souls could not workdue to their illnesses.
So that's another thing.

Speaker B (34:29):
Oh.

Speaker A (34:30):
What we diagnose today is like adhd,
add,
stuff like that.
You're crazy.
You're on the poor farm.
Right.
The other thing they would do too, if parents.
I always laugh at this.
If parents, you say your kids are just beingtoo tough with you.
Okay, well, come on, little Billy and littleSally, I'm going to drop you off at the poor

(34:51):
farm and have a good life.
See you.
I'm out.

Speaker B (34:53):
I'm done.

Speaker A (34:54):
Terrible.
That's terrible, right?

Speaker B (34:56):
Horrible.

Speaker A (34:58):
Your kids cannot be that bad.
If your kids are even like smearing chocolate
on the walls, be a parent, right?And be like, okay, well, you go into timeout,
time to discipline, and you're going to cleanthat up.
Mommy and daddy are going to help you cleanthat up.
I'm not taking them to a poor farm andfricking them, throw them on there with a
bunch of who knows, may schizophrenics.

(35:19):
And I'm not trying to make fun of any mentalillnesses, but there are people, I don't know,
like pedophilia.

Speaker B (35:26):
Yeah. There were criminals at poor houses.

Speaker A (35:28):
Correct. Unbelievable.
So anyway, so these folks ended up in the poor
houses around the country.
Like I said, these poor houses provided foodand shelter, but there was no medical
treatment for their condition.
And I can't stress that enough.
So you basically, here's your onion and yourlice ridden bed.
Yeah. Good luck with that.

(35:48):
Right?
Yeah.
So those who lived in these poor houses were
referred to as inmates.
Hmm.
May want to Change that name.
Their lives were filled with the drudgery of
daily labor and little comfort for theirafflictions.
So again, one of the things that people don'tunderstand is if you got hurt, let's say you,
you're shoveling and you hit your foot.

(36:09):
Well, in today's world, you go to the
emergency room, right?
It's stupid.
I cut my foot with a shovel.
Okay, we'll bandage it up here, take somepainkillers, you'll be all right.
Or set the frozen.
Not there.
You walk around with a broken foot for the
rest of your life, you're maimed.
And I can't stress that enough how terrible
that was.
So 1913, though, however, the poor house

(36:29):
became known as the Eloise Mental Hospital.
And there were actual attempts.
This is.
Okay, I don't know.
Believe what you want to believe at treating
mental illness as a medical condition,
but again,
this is medical science.
In the early 90s,
they did a lot where, for example, theythought tuberculosis.

(36:50):
Open the window in the middle of.

Speaker B (36:52):
Winter, get some fresh air, cold air, they'll be all right.

Speaker A (36:56):
Yeah, come on.
Yeah, get some fresh air in there.
What are you guys complaining about?You got fresh air.
So in its prime.
This is crazy.
Actually, Eloise consisted of, like I said, 78buildings on nine 102 acres with 10,000
patients, along with 2,000 staff.
There were 12,000 people.

(37:17):
12,000 people.
That's a, that's a medium sized city, right?

Speaker B (37:22):
Yes.

Speaker A (37:23):
You know, usa, medium sized city.
Imagine taking your medium sized city and
sticking it right in the middle of nowhere.
And what could go wrong, right?

Speaker B (37:33):
Nothing.
It's going to be great.
It's gonna be a good time.

Speaker A (37:36):
So like I said, it was the largest psychiatric hospital.
Watch.
I didn't know that in the United States at the
time.
The complex was self sufficient, having, like
I said, its own police and fire departments.
Also, it was along a railroad trolley systemand like I said, included a bakery.
They also had an amusement hall.
I don't know if people are really having fun,

(37:57):
like, you know, hey everybody, let's playbingo.
I don't know.
Yeah, I just.
It just blows you away.
They did have a laundry facility.
Okay.
Post office and a power plant.
And like I said, at his own farm, which
included dairy cattle, a pig farm, a rootcellar, tobacco curing and greenhouses.
So stop for a second.

(38:18):
This doesn't sound too bad.
If you take away all the mistreatment and the
ugliness is happening, you're thinking, wait aminute, I got my own little city here.
I Got everything I need.
You know, back in 1800, it's not exactly.
You could jump into your minivan and go to the
store and pick up some things and go to thelocal green store, so.
Right.
Doesn't sound bad.
Okay. I got some fresh fruit.

(38:39):
I got.
You know, I can have a smoke.
I can have some bacon.
I got a root cellar, and that's so bad.
Okay. The poor house, though philosophy wasmanual labor,
was indeed therapeutic in the hospitalsetting.
So they didn't care.
You know, you had any conditions,
whatever they might be, you were working wasthe cure.

(39:02):
And we're not talking like 8 to 5.
We're talking like 5 to in the morning till 9at night, maybe longer, the sun goes down.
You know what I mean?It's just.
Imagine that.
And you're talking kids, you're talking all
ages.
You're not talking, oh, grandma and grandpa.
You just want to sit on your rocking chairs
and have a smoke and have some carrots.

(39:24):
I don't know.
Nope, get out there.
That's crazy. Crazy. So. But Eloise alsoservice Michigan as a fully functional
hospital as well.
Okay.
Patients came from Detroit and othercommunities to have X rays.
The facility also housed the first kidneydialysis unit in the state of Michigan.
Okay. And they pioneered the use of musictherapy.

(39:48):
Interesting.
Insulin was used to treat people at the
hospital.
In many ways, Eloise was a model of scientific
advancement in the medical field.
Now, isn't that interesting that.
That they had all this stuff,
like, top in the medical field, but they werestill basically,
in my opinion.

(40:08):
I don't want to use this word loosely, but
enslaving people to go on a poor house, poorfarm.
And I'm guessing none of these people gotthese treatment.
Maybe they needed insulin.
Maybe they needed kidney dialysis or whatever.
So I'm going to stop right there before we getinto some other things here.
What do you think so far of this hospital?
It doesn't sound bad, but there's also a darkside to it, Right?

Speaker B (40:30):
Absolutely.
Like it is.
Because, I mean.
Yeah.
If you just look at it for face value, it
sounds, oh, great.
You got everything you need.
Why would you ever leave?But you got 12,000 people.
10,000 of those people have some kind ofmedical condition or mental health condition,
and you only have 2,000 people to take care ofthose 10,000 people with conditions that need

(40:56):
to be treated.
That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

Speaker A (41:00):
Yeah. Yeah. So let's get into that disaster waiting to happen.

Speaker B (41:04):
All right.

Speaker A (41:05):
Unfortunately, the advancements in mental health were not so swift.
The use of shock therapy was employed atEloise was a technique used in psychiatry to
treat depressive disorders or illnesses byinducing seizures or other extreme brain
states.
It was started in the 1930s to use an electricshock to cause seizures.

(41:25):
It often left the patient in a vegetativestate.
Yeah, basically I hooked you up to a carbattery and let's zap you, see what happens.

Speaker B (41:34):
Let's see what happens.
Let's.
Let's see what happens.

Speaker A (41:37):
Yeah, you know, stick.
Yeah, stick your foot in this puddle of water,
hold onto these jumper cables and let's go.
But this was when mental health research
would, like I said, in its infancy.
So many patients were used as guinea pigs by
the doctor.
As it happened, Eloise had many patients whichto practice on, emphasize practice.

(41:57):
So a lot of these poor people, they're notgoing to go missing.
Nobody cares.
Nobody cares.
You know, like I said, they've been there.
Maybe their family has left them, abandonedthem.
So if you want to say, let's try this newdrug, a little more shocking, whatever.
Yeah, no one's going to miss them when theydie.
That's why there's over 7,000 people buriedthere,

(42:19):
you know, and we don't know who they are.
As the years went on, the institution grew
larger and larger.
Reflection of increase in the population
Detroit area from only 35 residents.
This is funny.
In 1839, in Detroit and the surrounding areas,
in this hospital, the complex grew to, like Isaid, about 10,000 residents at its peak in
the Great Depression of the early 1930s.

(42:40):
So again, it like started out like 35 peoplejust on the poor farm doing whatever to what I
said.
Over 10, well, 10,000.
A little bit more.
Out of pain and confusion, contained within
Eloise Horse spawn, the ghost of lost soulsbeginning begging to be treated as human
beings.
This facility would become a place of fear, a

(43:01):
sanitary of torment for those with mentalhealth issues.
Keep in mind, during this time, many peoplewere committed to such facilities with no
mental health condition whatsoever.
Remember what I said earlier,
your kids are just on a sugar high.
Or your wife is maybe in a little bit mouthythat day.

Speaker B (43:20):
Or she was on her period.

Speaker A (43:23):
Exactly.
Maybe she's menopausal or something going onthat could be treated in today's world with
therapy, proper medication, exercise,
diet.
Well, not back then.
So the wife's getting a little bit too out ofcontrol.
Well, guess what,
you're in the hospital.

(43:44):
So this is the other thing.
Too many unfaithful women were committed by
their husbands.
So your wife cheated on you?Oh, Honey,
that's a mental health issue.
In you go.
I didn't know that as a woman,
that's not a good thing.
But that's kind of make you laugh a little

(44:05):
bit.

Speaker B (44:05):
Like,
that one makes me chuckle.
That one makes me chuckle.
I knew about how women could be put into thesesanitariums and all these things because of
just being a woman and being emotional orbeing on your period or being menopausal, but
I did not know about the unfaithful.
That.

Speaker A (44:24):
That's hilarious.
Right?
By the way, here is if you got kitties in theroom or you're listening, you know, going.
Being super dad, a super mom.
You have it out in the van, in the car.
Uh, you might want to pause this.
I'll give you a second to pause this.
All right.
Masturbation was once considered a confinable
mental illness.
So, yes, if you were just having a little funwith yourself and get caught, in you go.

(44:51):
Uh, yeah,
we pretty much.
Like,
what?Like. Okay, so I. I laughed at this.
I said, wait a minute.
What if you had a husband catching his.
Catching his wife masturbating?She was unfaithful, right?
And she's masturbating.
So therefore, in you go.

Speaker B (45:10):
And you go.
Time to go.
Electric shock therapy, dear.
Good luck.
Yeah.

Speaker A (45:17):
So, yeah,
that's what I'm laughing at.
That's not serious.
That's just ridiculous.
It's like, you know what I mean?
You come in and, you know.
But it never happened to the husband, right?
And us guys are, well, you know, we'reanimals.
So the husband's fine.
He can, you know, wherever and whenever.
But the woman better not.
So again, these people with no true disease

(45:39):
would be locked up, you know,
and, you know, nobody.
Whether it's.
You're unfaithful, whether it's your, you
know, pleasure in yourself, whether it's.
Whatever.
There's just no treatment.
There was just.
There's no way to.
Or they shocked you, basically.
Is your treatment shocking?You figure it out.

Speaker B (45:57):
Yikes.

Speaker A (45:58):
Out of this hellish confinement came all the necessary IL elements.
And this is what we'll get into here in alittle bit to produce the hauntings happening
at Eloise today.
Duh.
I mean,
right,
Ashley?I mean,
just constant suffering day after day.
Now Eloise stands as a mere shadow.

(46:19):
In its grandeur is crumbling walls, the memory
of lives lost in the facility, as well as afew ghosts to refuse to leave.
Hmm. Why you.
Why do you want to hang out there?
But okay.
Some claim that ghosts will remain if therehas been injustice done during their life.
Let me stop there.
Do you believe that, Ashley?Do you believe some ghost will never leave

(46:44):
until they get justice?And I don't know what justice means.

Speaker B (46:47):
Right.
I mean, there's no telling what justice means
for them.
But I believe that spirits and energy can
remain where traumatic things happen, Whetherit's be.
You know, if something major happened in theirlife, then they can be tied to that place,
whether it's good or bad.
But in this case, traumatic, horrible.
And yes, I do believe that they can be tied to
that spot and stay there.

(47:10):
And whether it's justice that they're looking
for or seeking for an unfinished business orwhatnot, But I do believe that horrible things
can create energy and negativity and it becomejust a hotspot and they stay there and
they're.
They might feel trapped there or they staythere because,
hell, maybe that's all they knew.

Speaker A (47:31):
Yeah, right.
And that's sad.
So, sadly, this may be the reason, like Isaid, for the number of the haunting.
Numerous poltergeist activities have beenwitnessed within the Eloise complex, With
doors slamming, medical carts and tables beingoverturned.
A frustrated spirit probably looking to getnoticed.
Duh.
You know, again,
but possibly, of course, there are shadows,shadow figures.

(47:54):
Now check this out.
That seemingly.
Seemingly drip from the ceilings and ooze fromthe walls of the place.
It's like, yikes.
These go actually become.
Or shadows become a part of the buildingitself.
So imagine you're a paranormal investigator.

(48:15):
I know neither of us are.
We want to in the future.
And you see this, like, shadow dripping out ofthe ceiling in front of you and then coming
to.
Yikes.

Speaker B (48:28):
No, I'm good.

Speaker A (48:33):
Two ghostly children, of course, have been seen running around the hallways and
then, you know, turn the corner, only todisappear.
It is assumed, you know, they were inmates atthe time.
Eloise was a poor house when orphan childrenoften lived there until they were adopted or
die.
There's your choices again.

(48:54):
You either adopted or you live there to youdie.

Speaker B (48:58):
Yeah.

Speaker A (48:59):
What?

Speaker B (48:59):
That's horrible.
That is horrible and sad.

Speaker A (49:02):
Yeah, yeah.
Just imagine you, day after day after day, youthink, you know, oh, look at this.
Let's look at Ashley.
She looks so nice.
Could be.
Could Ashley be my mama?And then you're like, you walk past and take
another kid and nothing on you or myself.
John looks like a nice daddy, you know?
Oh,
that would be horrible,

(49:23):
right?That would be the worst.
It would.
It would have been a life of toil for the
child.
Like I said, confined with adults.
Remember?They Put the adults with children.

Speaker B (49:33):
Yeah.

Speaker A (49:34):
And you know, some of these adults had devastating mental disorders like
pedophilia or something to that effect.
Possibly they were just talking about thesechildren.
People just talk about that they died in theiryouth, or maybe they relived their lives now
as children without fear than when they werealive precariously playing games in that kind

(49:54):
of purgatory.
So you know what I mean?
They're just like,
we're finally free, so now we can be kids.
That's sad,
right?

Speaker B (50:03):
Yeah, it is very sad.
Especially the children aspect of it.

Speaker A (50:08):
The next ghost that supposedly people see is a lady that appears as a white
vapor has been seen manifesting within one ofthe buildings that still stand.
Even her voice has been recorded as shewhispers, help me from beyond the grave.
Yeah. A residual spirit, her impressionsseared into the building itself.

(50:29):
A haunting reminder of those who were confinedhere and only wish to be heard.
You know, just need to be helped.
Here's. You're probably wondering, hey, John,where's the doctor ghost?
Well, here it comes.
Another ghost is that of a doctor said to
prowl the halls of the crumbling facility.
Even in the afterlife, he searches for anunfortunate patient to practice his scientific

(50:54):
method.
Yikes.
So there's this evil doctor looking for peopleto be like,
come here, I need to practice on you.
No, I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm going.
Yeah, If I see that,
you will see me running through walls.
Like cartoon.
Someone reported seeing a specter drenched in

(51:14):
water, possibly reminder when hydrotherapy wascoming into practice.
So hydrotherapy, basically today, a lot ofpeople use it for recovery.
Get in a cold tub.
You know, some doctors recommend that if
you're, you know, have had an accident or, youknow, you're preparing for something like an
ironman competition or something to thateffect, or just, you know, you need it just to

(51:39):
live.
But they basically drown the people in thissense, it wasn't like, okay, sit in the tub
five minutes, get out.
No, it was shove.
Okay, I think you're okay now.
Oh, you're dead.
Oops,
Too long.
Sorry about that.
That's horrible, right?
It's terrible.

(51:59):
So they would do again, a patient againsttheir will be placed in there often with their
arms and legs restrained.
Huh?Like, wait a minute, you restrain.
You put them in this, like a bathtub, and youtie their arms and legs together.
Who thought of that one?You're not the laugh.
But it's like we just.

(52:20):
Who thought this was a good idea?

Speaker B (52:23):
This is when my husband would say, the times have Changed.
And back then, medicine wasn't what it is now.
And I'm thinking there was still common sense.
Daniel.

Speaker A (52:31):
Exactly. Yeah. Daniel.

Speaker B (52:33):
Come on, Daniel, get it together.

Speaker A (52:35):
Let's get it.
Other.
Other times they've seen a phantasm wearing a
smock stained with blood, presumably from thelobotomy.
So in the 1930s, lobotomies were beginning tobe performed.
A doctor would hammer a surgical instrumentthrough the skull into the brain in hopes of
cutting off negative impulses.

(52:55):
Sure. Okay. Obviously, some patients died asthe result of the operation.
Others later committed suicide.
Some were left with severe brain damage.
This all happened within the Eloise complex.
This doctor is a testament of the treatment.
So, yeah, you're drowned.
You stick a spike in your head or you're shot.
Or maybe something worse.

(53:16):
Say they experiment on you and God knows what
that is, right?
Possibly he lingers here, this phantasmtormented by the ghost of patience upon which
he practiced.
Whatever the case, he is part of a long litany
of spirits who still reside in Eloise.
So what happened to Eloise?Obviously, like I said, it's closed.
It's a crumbling building, but there'ssomething at the end here.

(53:39):
I think it's pretty fun.
Slowly, Eloise population decreased.
The farm operations ceased in 1958 and some ofthe large psych psychiatric buildings were
vacated in 1973.
The psychiatric division started closing in
1977.
Within the last patients being transferred outin 1982 when the state of Michigan took over

(53:59):
the general hospital, which is not really toofar,
closed in 1986.
Where when Eloise operated as a mentalhospital.
Like I said, as a hospital.
And again,
not.
Not too great.
So those who suffered and died gave theirlives to improve feature treatment of those
with mental afflictions, which is true.

(54:20):
A lot of these people, unfortunately, who had
to pay the price and help doctors to say maybewe shouldn't drown people,
maybe we shouldn't shock people with a carbattery.
Maybe we shouldn't stick a spike in people'sheads and it's their ghost to tell the tale.
Who you know,
still hang out theseyl.
So, Eloise after being abandoned, what

(54:41):
happened to it?I should say after being abandoned for decade,
decades, excuse me, Eloise Asylum had sat whenrecently someone or something has moved back
in.
Many have thought themselves brave enough toexplore the ancient and banded asylum, hoping
to solve its mystery.
This is weird.
None have returned in one piece.
I don't know what this article means,

(55:02):
but basically people have been trapped in apadded cell.
So like people investigators just telling someQuick stories have gone in there, padded
south,
and they can't get out.
I mean, they're trying to get out.
Eventually they get out, obviously.
But you.
They.
A lot of these investigators, too,
or people just in there, just kids being kids.

(55:24):
You know, we were crazy kids once, and we just
want to come out with bruises,
scratches.
Some have come out with, like a broken arm,broken legs.
Now, some of that I would say could be it'snot safe and someone's not paying attention.
But you don't know, right?You have no idea.
It's.
It's horrific.
Like, what they say is a lot of these peoplewho go in, their investigators come out with

(55:50):
some type of damage to them,
whether it be mental or physical.
And so that's unbelievable.
But before we get into what it is now, I wantto stop really quickly and ask you, Ashley,
any further comments about this?
Anything that maybe you taking notes that youwent, huh, that's.
That's terrible.

Speaker B (56:09):
Or.

Speaker A (56:10):
Or whatever you want to bring up.

Speaker B (56:11):
It sounds like Pennhurst.

Speaker A (56:13):
Exactly.

Speaker B (56:13):
And you were talking and I'm like, this sounds just like Pennhurst.
I mean, and it has a very similar timeline.

Speaker A (56:20):
Exactly.
And it's not really well known.
Right.
I came across this.
I haven't heard about it.
Have you?

Speaker B (56:26):
Actually, yes, but I heard about it because my guest a few weeks ago, her name is
Ashley.
She's from Penn Paranormal.
I asked her if she could investigate anywhere,where would it be?
And she said, the Eloise.
And I was like.
So when you said it, I was like, I've never.
This is the second time I've heard of this.

Speaker A (56:44):
Yeah, that's nice.
That's awesome.
So what is it now?It is now a haunted place where you can go and
escape the asylum in an escape room adventurethat will thrill you and your friend.
It's fun for families and groups of all kindsof experience.
An immersive adventure unlike any other righthere at the Eloise Asylum.

(57:07):
So right now you go on their website.
I think it's still being run around Halloweenand stuff.
You can join them for unforgettable paranormalexperience too.
We're down for its paranormal activity.
Our public paranormal tours are held most
Saturday evenings and select varietiesthroughout the year.
You have a chance to explore various hotspotsin the former state hospital using your

(57:28):
equipment or the asylums.
Paranormal investigation teams are welcome,
but please note, other groups will be on sitebasically to help you.
So they have two different things.
So during Halloween, it's a scary thing where
people jump out with a chainsaw and chase youaround, there's an escape room you can go and
get.
Or if you're a paranormal group and you can dothat and, you know, go around and check out

(57:52):
all the hotspots or if you just want to go ona tour with some guides and then explain the
haunted history of it and show you somehotspots and stuff.
Here's the thing.
It always seems to end that way, right?
I know some asylums get turned intoapartments.
Others get taken down.
Others,
like this one, are for guests.

(58:13):
So my question to you, would you and yourhusband or maybe your family too,
love to go here and check it out if you could?

Speaker B (58:21):
Oh, yeah, I would.
My husband would.
My kids,
our son probably our daughters.
Probably not, but yeah, we would definitely.
I was supposed to go to Pennhurst in May for
paracon and something happened.
But we love to go.
We're not investigators, but we just love togo to experience and see what we feel and just

(58:41):
see it because we love history.
So, yes, I would definitely go now.
I don't want to get a chainsaw after me or
anybody jump out after me.
I don't like that.
But I would love to go to the property andtake a tour and just walk around.

Speaker A (58:55):
So I'm pretty sure I already know the answer.
But I always ask all my guests this.
Do you think it's haunted?

Speaker B (59:00):
It sounds like it.

Speaker A (59:01):
Yeah. Right?

Speaker B (59:03):
Definitely sounds like it.
I would like to go for myself just to see what
I would feel.
But I mean, sounds like it.

Speaker A (59:08):
Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's really interesting because again,
it has all the perfect storm of this is on itbecause of all the suffering.
And that's usually the case.
So I hope you like that.
I found it really interesting because again,that is not I really heard of and everything
like that.
So before we wrap up, Ashley,

(59:29):
why don't you tell my stooky friends wherethey can find you and what's coming up on
their podcast.

Speaker B (59:34):
Well, you can find me on social media.
I'm on Instagram ghost gossip podcast, TikTok,Ghost Gossip Pod, YouTube Ghost Gossip 24 7.
And you can email me Ghost Gossip 247 mail.comwhat I have coming up tomorrow, which is
Monday, which this is,
you know, you can just check it out.
When you check it out, there's a listener
happenings episode.

(59:55):
It's me and my husband.
We're reading listener stories.
And then coming up later, we have somebodywho's weird, spooky, scary time.
She tells stories about stories out ofCalifornia in the area that she lives in.
And Then I also have an episode coming up withmy friend who is a psychic medium.
Her name's Jessica Webb.
She is with beyond the Badge Paranormal.

(01:00:15):
So lots on track.
Like, there's a lot coming up.
It's great.
It's exciting.
And then my husband and I are actually goingto Boston, Massachusetts, to the Omni Parker
Hotel, which is the most haunted hotel inBoston.
And we're going to go to the Lizzie Bordenhouse in Salem for our anniversary in
September.

Speaker A (01:00:33):
Wow, that's awesome.
I love that.
That's perfect.
That's perfect.
Anniversary gift and.

Speaker B (01:00:40):
Yep, lots coming up.

Speaker A (01:00:41):
Check it out.
Yeah, and I'd love to obviously, look at
what's coming up when you guys go there andsee what you find and see if Lizzie chases you
around with an axe.
And that's probably why.

Speaker B (01:00:51):
I hope not.
I hope not.
Please don't.

Speaker A (01:00:54):
Awesome.
So thank you again for taking time out,
Ashley.
This was a really lot of fun.
I really enjoyed our discussion.
And like I said, please, all my spooky friends
follow Ashley, listen to her podcast,
interact with her on all her social platforms.
All this will be in my links when this episode
comes out.
And, you know, I always say this, and I

(01:01:16):
stress, this is really support the smallerpodcasts.
Not saying this podcast is small, but, youknow, we're not as huge ones, you know, with
millions and millions and all this, whatever.
Because we're really the backbone here.
And I talk to this to some of my guests, too.
Like,
we're the ones driving things here because thebigger podcast, they have the bigger guests

(01:01:38):
and whatever, they have all the internsgetting them coffee and research.
It's just us, right?It's just, you know, you and your husband and
you just trying to figure it out and just kindof go from there.
So thanks again and really appreciate it.
And, you know, if you ever would like me to beon your podcast, I always offer myself, if
you're looking for a guest,
definitely come on and give us some spookystuff.

(01:02:00):
So.

Speaker B (01:02:00):
Absolutely.
Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker A (01:02:02):
Thank you, Ashley.
You have a great day and stay spooky.