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• Meet Lavender!

• • Co-host of Early on Wednesday (true crime and paranormal podcast).

  • Shares the story behind her meaningful tattoos—honoring her great-great-grandmother with lace from a historic wedding dress.

• Early on Wednesday, Podcast Overview

  • Focus on true crime, cults, paranormal topics, cryptids, and occasional comedic episodes for balance.

  • Lavender and co-host Stacy record weekly despite living on opposite coasts.

• True Crime Chat: Susan Smith Case

  • Discussion on Susan Smith's horrific crime and wildlife in prison.

  • Touch on Lorena Bobbitt as a potential future episode topic.

• Favorite Paranormal Topics

  • Lavender’s favorite cryptid: Mothman—especially sightings around Chicago's O'Hare Airport.

  • Fun Mothman episode highlight: "Mothman and Butt Plugs" (yes, you read that right!).

• Lavender's Personal Paranormal Encounters

  • Alien Sighting:

    • While serving in the Navy, I witnessed unexplained blue lights and black cylindrical crafts near a nuclear weapons facility.

    • Signed nondisclosure agreements about the incident.

  • Cryptid Encounter and Nazi Conspiracy:

    • Discovered a hidden WWII-era jail cell in New Jersey believed to house Nazi scientists post-war (Operation Paperclip?).

  • Shadow People Experience:

    • Haunted for years by a feline-like shadow figure after her father's death.

    • Possible connection to a jinn (evil spirit) according to psychics.

• Dolce Base Conspiracy

  • John recommends that Lavender and Stacy explore the infamous Dulce) Based in New Mexico, a hotspot for alleged alien hybrid experiments and deep underground military activity.

• Discussion: Ghosts Committing Murder?

  • Hammersmith Ghost (UK)

    • An early 1800s ghost was blamed for deaths in London.

  • Thai Window Ghost (2013)

    • Allegedly responsible for the sudden deaths of men in Thailand.

    • Curse-like behavior; connection to night hags and respiratory failure.

  • The Jameson Family Disappearance (2009)

    • The entire family was found dead years later under bizarre circumstances.

    • Possible theories: ghost possession, dimensional shift, or something darker?

• Bonus Discussions

  • Missing 411 cases—mysterious disappearances in national parks.

  • Strange military technology and conspiracy theories surrounding silent helicopters and top-secret bases.

Guest Links

• 🎧 Listen to Early on Wednesday: earlyonwednesday.podbean.com

• 📱 Follow Lavender and Stacy: https://www.instagram.com/early_on_wednesday/

Closing Thoughts

Lavender brings incredible firsthand paranormal experiences, deep dives into true crime, and humor to the podcast. A must-listen if you love spooky tales mixed with real-world mysteries!

Episode Transcript

Speaker A (00:00):
Foreign friends.
And welcome to another episode of Dairyland
Frights, the paranormal podcast that coverseverything spooky, creepy and mysterious in

(00:20):
the Midwest and beyond.
And I am again.
Last year I had great guests.
This year I've great guests.
And I have lavender from early on Wednesday
podcast.
Thank you so much for joining us.

Speaker B (00:34):
Well, hello there.
And I love it for having me.

Speaker A (00:37):
I love it.
And I love your ink, by the way.

Speaker B (00:48):
Yeah. As they say, I probably pretty close to 50% of my body has tattoos on
it.
I would say.

Speaker A (00:56):
Nice, nice.
I never wanted to do it.
Well, I take that back.
When I was younger, I wanted to have a dragon
on my back.
And then it was like, really expensive.
And I was like, yeah, I don't.

Speaker B (01:07):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker A (01:08):
Have any money?

Speaker B (01:09):
I would say my arm in total is probably a couple thousand.

Speaker A (01:15):
Wow. I have to ask, I know we'll get into it a little bit, but I have to ask,
any symbolism of your tattoos?

Speaker B (01:23):
Well, I don't know if you, if you're recording, if this is going to be
video, but yeah, I am.
I will show you.
So at least you can see.
So this tattoo on my back here is the reverse
of lace.
So when you're looking at lace, this would bethe clear part, the see through part of the
lace.

Speaker A (01:43):
Yeah.

Speaker B (01:45):
Several years ago, my great great grandma died and it was kind of a free for all
and the storage unit that they had for her andeverybody's just fighting and they're taking
stuff and putting stuff in their cars.
And me and my brother are just outside, like,as people are taking boxes to their cars and
going back in for more.

(02:06):
We're just taking the boxes out of their cars
and putting them in the truck and we get atruck full and we're like, we're out of here.
So we had no idea what we grabbed.
We were just grabbing stuff that looked like
that box looks heavy.
We'll take that one.

Speaker A (02:19):
Yeah.

Speaker B (02:20):
And so we got a bunch of useless ****, like a box full of Tupperware lids.
Not the.
All the Tupperware, just the lids.
And a box full of Bibles.
For whatever reason, this lady had a hundredBibles.

Speaker A (02:37):
Okay.

Speaker B (02:38):
And then in one of the boxes was a wedding dress and it had been eaten by moths
and everything.

Speaker A (02:47):
Yeah.

Speaker B (02:47):
Doing a little bit of research.
It was her grandmother's.
So that would have been my three greats frommine.
So I took the biggest piece of the lace fromthe dress and I just, I had that and I was
gonna frame it or something and getting atattoo and he.
He laid it down and then he chalked itactually with chalk.

(03:10):
So it's the reverse of what it was, becausethen he just tattooed where the chalk was.
So it's the reverse of the lace ended up beingpretty cool.
So this part right here was the sleeve fromthe dress as well.

Speaker A (03:22):
I love that.
That is a great story.
Yeah.
Because I think a lot of people,
when they get tattoos, have some type ofsymbolism behind them or some type of meeting
or.
Since we're a paranormal podcast and I know
you do true crime, too, protection.
So there might be some type of protection thatthey were doing on, so.

(03:44):
Awesome.
So tell my spooky friends about your podcast,
what you cover, and what got you interested indoing it.

Speaker B (03:52):
So we.
It's me and.
Me and Stacy.
Stacy joined the podcast about a year or so
ago, and she lives in.
In California and I'm in Maryland.
So we're on totally opposite coasts.
So we just, you know, have a blast meeting uponce a week to record.
And yes, we end up recording for hours becausewe just bullshit most of the time.

(04:12):
But I'm sure you know how that goes.

Speaker A (04:14):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker B (04:15):
It is primarily true crime.
You do.
Stacy's real interested in cults and thingsof.
And paranormal.
She's interested cults, paranormal,
witchcraft, that kind of stuff.
So we do,
you know, dabble in.
In all of that.
And then I'm interested in, like, cryptids andaliens, and I'm also interested in paranormal.

(04:36):
So we dabble in that.
Primarily it's true crime, but we do try to
break it up and kind of have comedy relief, iswhat we call it,
and we'll do like a paranormal or a cryptidepisode, especially when we have a real bunch
of heavy true crime episodes.
Kind of break it up.

Speaker A (04:52):
Yeah, I love that.
Yeah, I love your content.
Please go check it out.
When this episode comes out, all the links to
Lavender and Stacy's podcast, early onWednesday, we'll be out there to go check it
out.
It's a lot of fun.
I've listened to a few episodes.

Speaker B (05:07):
Did you.
What was your favorite?
What's your favorite episode?

Speaker A (05:10):
So you guys, I just like when.
To be honest with you, I like when you guys
just have fun and talk about cryptids and someweird paranormal stuff.
I know you do true crime, but I listen to truecrime, you know, a little bit, but after a
while, I'm like,
just being honest.
Lavender, it's like, oh, my God, stop it.
You know what I mean?Like, some of these people are just like,

(05:33):
what?Like, what was it like?
I want to say Mary.
It was Mary Smith. Mary Anders, whatever hername is.
The woman that.
There's, like, some weird anniversary where
this woman was in love with this guy.
She's cheating on her husband.
She took the kids in her car, she strapped itin the back.

Speaker B (05:52):
Susan Smith.

Speaker A (05:54):
Susan Smith.
Why am I saying Mary?
Thank you so much.

Speaker B (05:56):
The most recent one we put out was Susan Smith.

Speaker A (05:59):
That's it.
That's what I was listening to anyway.
I'm like.

Speaker B (06:02):
But listen to the second episode.

Speaker A (06:05):
No, I have not.

Speaker B (06:06):
It's about her prison sex life.

Speaker A (06:09):
What?

Speaker B (06:10):
She. She had a ball in prison.
She was all over the place.
This lady was.
She got transferred many, many times because
she was just having sex with everyone.
She was like.
She was.

Speaker A (06:22):
Although it makes it worse.

Speaker B (06:24):
It does.
It does.

Speaker A (06:25):
But if you don't know about the story.
Oh, my God.
These two little, cute little kids, and she
drives into a freaking lake.
Lake?
Was it a lake?

Speaker B (06:33):
It was a lake.

Speaker A (06:34):
Okay.

Speaker B (06:35):
Originally, she.
She reported, called the police and said that
she was carjacked.
Somebody, a black man, carjacked her with her
two sons inside.
And then her two sons were missing.
Several weeks she's going on the news,pleading for her sons to come back.
All of this kind of stuff.
And then they find the car in the lake.

(06:56):
And then she comes clean that there was nocarjacker, there was no black man.
She just drove the car into the lake with hertwo babies.
One was just a toddler, and the other one wasonly a few months old, still strapped in there
in their car seats.
And then she just walked away.

(07:16):
So.

Speaker A (07:17):
And. And then she's just fooling around in prison, just banging everybody.

Speaker B (07:21):
Yeah, she.
She is a piece of work, that one is.

Speaker A (07:25):
Wow. Hey, have you guys ever covered the case where the guy had his *****
cut off?

Speaker B (07:31):
Lorena Bobbitt.

Speaker A (07:33):
Lorena Bobbitt.
Thank you.
I don't.
I didn't see anything on there.

Speaker B (07:38):
No. That's a good idea, though.

Speaker A (07:39):
That is a great idea.

Speaker B (07:41):
I feel like there.
I feel like that wasn't the first time she'd
done something like that.
If I'm absolutely not remembering the story
correctly.

Speaker A (07:48):
Absolutely. Absolutely not.
And you know, stories like that, I don't mean
to say they're funny, but it's kind ofhumorous in the sense of she just chucks it
out the window.
She's driving her husband's ***** down theroad.
Chucks it out the window.
By the way, I forgot to tell.
You can say anything on this podcast, so.

Speaker B (08:04):
Okay.

Speaker A (08:04):
It's not for children.
And I make that clear.
You know, that it's funny, but it's kind offunny, you know, she's just throws.

Speaker B (08:15):
That's what he gets for putting his ***** in places that didn't belong.

Speaker A (08:19):
Yeah. God. Okay, now you scared me, Lavender.
God's fright.
But anyway, what is your.
Let's get from true crime.
Let's go a little way from that.
But what is.
You have a favorite Cryptid or an alien
conspiracy or, like, what's your favorite thatyou kind of like to talk about?

Speaker B (08:36):
My. So I have.
I actually have some firsthand encounters with
great aliens and a couple of differentCryptids, actually.

Speaker A (08:45):
All right.
Love to hear it.

Speaker B (08:46):
My favorite, though, is Mothman.
Mothman is just.
Is that one is the most believable.
There's been so many sightings of Mothman all
over the world right before all of these majordisasters, and it just.
To me, it just.
It makes sense.
So that's probably my favorite.

Speaker A (09:05):
And not to interrupt you.
Not to interrupt you, but have you heard of
the Chicago that they're seeing them inChicago.

Speaker B (09:12):
Around the airports, right?

Speaker A (09:13):
Yes, around O'Hare.

Speaker B (09:15):
Yeah.

Speaker A (09:16):
Crazy.
Crazy.

Speaker B (09:17):
Yeah. Our Mothman episode probably is one of the biggest.
Biggest hits we.
We've done so far.

Speaker A (09:25):
Absolute.

Speaker B (09:26):
That one.
That one's pretty funny.
Have you listened to it?

Speaker A (09:29):
Nope. That is on my list to listen to now.

Speaker B (09:32):
You'll definitely have to listen to it.

Speaker A (09:33):
Yeah, I will.

Speaker B (09:35):
It's. I. Every time I hear people send me little clips of it all the time, and I
don't want to give anything away, but it'scalled Mothman and butt plugs.
I'm not exactly sure how we go from Mothman tobutt plugs, but it happens in there, and it
just.
It. It just goes.
And I'll get clips of the red.

(09:56):
The red light shooting out of butt plugs iseverybody's favorite part.
And Stacy's like, describing this butt plugwith red eyes shooting out of it, and I am
just uncontrollably laughing.
And I'll just get these clips of me just hyena
laughing from just random people.

Speaker A (10:16):
I love it.
It's awesome.
Yeah, that'd be unusual, right?Instead of seeing the red eyes, you're like,
oh, my God, what is that?Is that his butt?

Speaker B (10:23):
Right?

Speaker A (10:27):
So how about aliens? You talked a little bit about that.
Wouldn't talk about your experiences withthat.
Any Cryptid experiences.
Like to hear that.

Speaker B (10:35):
So I guess we'll start with the alien, since that's the first one you brought
up.
I was in the Navy.
I did 16 years.

Speaker A (10:41):
Wow.

Speaker B (10:42):
16 years.
In the Navy?
Yep.

Speaker A (10:43):
Thank you for your service.

Speaker B (10:45):
Thank you.
I was actually just recently medically
retired, so.
Yay.
No more.
No more Navy.

Speaker A (10:51):
Okay.

Speaker B (10:52):
When I first joined the Navy, I was prp.
So anybody that was either in the Navy orMarines knows what PRP is.
Basically, it's a. It's a program to protectthe storage facilities there's.
They store nuclear weapons in.
And where I worked at in Georgia, I worked in
what they called the limited area.

(11:13):
And there was only about a thousand people in
the entire world that could go into this.
And 500 of us were security forces.
And they had these bunkers that they would
store the nuclear warheads in.
And we'd, you know, have to do all kinds of
crazy ****, but they'd open the bunkers, andyou'd see these bees come out that were like

(11:34):
the size of soda cans and stuff.

Speaker A (11:36):
Jesus.

Speaker B (11:37):
Yeah, I know.
So they had it in it.
So it's a base with.
Inside of a base.
So they've got the normal base, and thenthere's a whole separate base inside of the
base.
And they've got four towers, one in eachcorner of this interior base.
And each tower is seven or eight stories tall.
So you can see above the tree line, and it's

(11:59):
nighttime.
We weren't allowed to have any.
Any communication we didn't have.
We weren't allowed to have cell phones.
They pat us down.
They checked our bags.
We went through security just to go in.
They would take everything from us.

Speaker A (12:12):
Yeah.

Speaker B (12:12):
And so it's.
I'm on night shift.
So in order to stay awake when you're up inthese towers, because you're up there for 12,
12 to 14 hours doing nothing, we've got ourlittle camera, which we can move around and it
records, and we can, like, move it around andlook at stuff.
And it.
The video feed goes down to the dispatch
center.

(12:32):
Sometimes they call you and be like, on.
You know, there's a phone in there as well.
And they'll call you and.
And tell you, hey, you know, go to the eastand look see what's over there.
Let us see what you see kind of thing.
But there's no numbers on the phone.
They're just pickup.
And it rings down to dispatch.
So nighttime dispatch would call us all.
Whenever they picked up the phone, it would

(12:52):
ring up to the towers, and they would be like,hey, you guys are all connected.
And then they would just leave their phone offthe hook.
And then the four.
The four towers then could talk to each other.

Speaker A (13:02):
Okay.

Speaker B (13:02):
We would sit up there and Talk and, and play games like **** Mary, kill or the
Alphabet game.

Speaker A (13:09):
Sure.

Speaker B (13:09):
Just things to stay awake.
And so that's what's going on that night.
It's the middle of the night.
We're.
I. I don't even know exactly what we weretalking about.
This is like 2008, 2009 time period, okay?
And it was me and a girl named Diana.
And then a guy whose last name is Grant, I

(13:31):
can't remember his first name.
And then I can't remember.
It was some white guy, I can't remember whathis name was, is in the other tower.
And one of the guys says, hey, what are thoselights that are over by you two?
And so me and Diana are like, what are youtalking about?
And so we both go look.
And so I get off the phone at this point, so Ihave no idea what they're talking about.

(13:51):
But I go over and I move the camera over andfocus on the lights so that dispatch can see
them.
And it's two blue lights hovering right abovethe tree line.
Like headlights of a car.

Speaker A (14:03):
Oh, okay.

Speaker B (14:04):
And it's not in the trees, it's above the tree line and they're blue.
In the video that we later saw, it's nightvision.
So they don't look blue, but you could tellthere's two lights up there.
Then they separate and one goes off towardsDiana and the other one comes around mine, me.
And it is just.
So the towers are.

(14:25):
They have a roof on them, but then it's floorto ceiling windows.
And it just starts going around,
like around me, just around.
And I'm trying to get the camera to like go
down far enough so that they could see it, butI can't get the camera to go down because it's
real close and it is a black.
It reminded me of a mag light.

(14:46):
There was no sound.
There's no propellers.
There was no, no nothing.
It was a black elongated cylinder lookingthing.
And the light only came from the one end, sofrom the side there was no light.
And it's just circling, circling me.
And I'm like following it.
And then eventually it goes back to where itstarted above the trees.

(15:10):
The other one meets it.
They sit there for a little bit again and then
they just disappeared.
They just went away.
The next morning when we come out of the
towers, me and Diana are talking about it andshe said hers just illuminated her tower.
It just came up to the window and just shinedits blue light in and it never moved until it

(15:31):
went back.

Speaker A (15:32):
Wow.

Speaker B (15:33):
Then we ended up having to sign paperwork.

Speaker A (15:35):
Yeah.

Speaker B (15:36):
Saying that we, you know, there was a time frame, it was like 15 years or
something, that we wouldn't discuss what wesaw.
And they showed us the videos and then neverheard about it again.

Speaker A (15:45):
Wow. Wow. Did you ever feel scared? Or was it just wonder, like, amazement?

Speaker B (15:52):
It was just.
It was, I guess, wonder.
It was kind of like, what is this?I mean, drones wasn't a thing then.
I'm sure people had drones, but it's notanything that I ever heard about.
I didn't know what a drone was, and.
And thinking about what it looked like now,
I've never seen a drone like that.
There was no. There was no way for this thing

(16:13):
to fly.
And it wasn't very big.
So what there.
Unless it was, I don't know, bugs in there.
It was, I mean, the size of a mag light.

Speaker A (16:23):
Wow. Huh. Yeah.
That's unusual.

Speaker B (16:27):
Mm.

Speaker A (16:28):
Was. Again, that's part of the military mystique.
Like, you guys have to wait so long and youcan't report it.
Well, now everything's out of the box.
I mean, it's not a big deal and everything.

Speaker B (16:40):
Right?

Speaker A (16:41):
But I bet back then you guys were dying to tell somebody, right?

Speaker B (16:44):
I know we were one of the.
One of the guys, and I don't remember which
one of the ones, because there was four of usin the towers.
Obviously, there was a single person in eachtower.
One of the guys had said something about itand had talked about it, and he went to
Captain's Mast.
For anybody that doesn't know what that is,
it's pretty much like going to court in themilitary, in the Navy,

(17:09):
for talking about it.
And so the rest of us were kind of like, oh,
we're not doing that.

Speaker A (17:13):
Yeah, I hear you.
You know, that's funny that you mentioned
that, because I just did an episode on theDolce Air Force Base in New Mexico.
That's.
The base has seven levels on it.
Supposed to have alien hybrids, human hybrids.
There's the sixth floor.
It's known as the Nightmare hall or the

(17:34):
Nightmare Wing or the Nightmare Level.
Oh, you should research.
Sure.

Speaker B (17:39):
I'm going to.

Speaker A (17:40):
You and Stacy would have a. And you're in the military, so you would
understand some of the association with it.
But that base, I mean, it's crazy.
It makes Area 51 look like a joke.
And it's.

Speaker B (17:53):
What is it called again?

Speaker A (17:54):
It's called the Dolce Air Force Base in.
In New Mexico.
Dolce, New Mexico, in a small town, middle of
nowhere in the.
In New Mexico.
Doesn't even Have a traffic light in this townand it's like past the town they've been.
This has been around since some people saythe.
If not the 50s and like to get into there,just believe what you want to believe.

(18:20):
And you know you're in the military, so youhave to tell me.
But one of the things is, oh, hi, Kitty.

Speaker B (18:25):
Yeah, this is cyanide.

Speaker A (18:28):
And one of the things in there is they literally to get down to each level,
there's more and more security.
And one of the levels is if you have anything
on you that's different, you're.
You're done, you're fired, you're gone.
And some people believe that these people have
been killed, that these people have now put onprojects.

(18:48):
I mean, there's.
Think about the weirdest horror, sci fi, crazy
**** you've read or saw.
It's a million times worse.
It's like people have told these crazy
stories.
Anyway, it must be something for you and Stacy
maybe to do some time.

Speaker B (19:05):
I know, I'm going to look at.
I made a note to look it up.

Speaker A (19:08):
Yeah. And take a look.

Speaker B (19:10):
Interesting.

Speaker A (19:11):
Yeah. Because it's.
It's been there forever and nobody really
talks about it.

Speaker B (19:16):
I've never heard of it before.

Speaker A (19:18):
Yeah, that's what I mean.
It's just almost like this weird brainwashing
the military has put.
I love my conspiracy theories, by the way,
over people that they just don't.
They just don't bring it because it's never in
the.
Really in the news.
If you read the research, I've read like thelocal papers are like, hey, we have a secret

(19:39):
base.
I guess you didn't know that, did you?
Kind of like jokingly like.
And then if you, if you read Reddit or any oneof these other social sites, there are people
who have worked there who have said there'scrazy **** going on there, like really crazy
**** that if it gets out, were screwed.

Speaker B (20:02):
I can believe it.
I honestly can believe it.
I feel like the military has done like so muchresearch and just especially on the military
members and I don't know if you've heard this,but they came out while I was.
Shortly after I came back from deployment.
Actually, a lot of the vaccines that they give

(20:24):
us.
Yeah,
they are now directly linking to ptsd.
The vaccines.
The vaccines are damaging the brain, whichmakes it more susceptible to creating the PTSD
chemical imbalance from trauma.
So you could get in a car accident and develop

(20:45):
ptsd, essentially.

Speaker A (20:47):
Wow,
that's crazy.
And one of the things in there too is likethey'll talk about silent helicopters, all
these different crafts.
And my.
My cousin, he was a platoon sergeant in theairborne, and he was in Desert Storm number
one,
and he saw action over there, and he says thathe saw this helicopter.

(21:11):
And, you know, helicopters in the military,they're, like, deafening, right?
They're just like, you know, it's coming, andhe saw this helicopter, and he's, like, going
across the horizon and he's like, I don't hearanything.

Speaker B (21:23):
You know.
That reminds me of a story.
Yeah, go ahead on deployment.
I'm on an aircraft carrier,
and so on the aircraft carrier, they have anarea that they call the fantail.
And it is a. A little, like, docking station.
It's outside, and it's really not that far up
above the water, maybe 10ft, and nothingreally goes on there.

(21:44):
That's where, like, helicopters can land.
If the.
The flight deck.
If all the planes are on the flight deck or
something.
So it's kind of just.
Is that people just go out to get fresh air orgo out to see the sunshine or look at the
water and.
And things like that.
So we're standing out there one night, and
it's a. You know, it's a clear night, and wewere playing Monopoly or something.

(22:05):
Well, we weren't standing.
Obviously, we're playing a game, but we'replaying a board game out there.
And it's a nice night.
It feels good.
It's nice and cool.
And there's a group of us out there just
playing Monopoly.
And next thing you know, you all of these guyswalk by us just completely dressed in black,
and we're like, where the **** did you.
Who are you?
Where did you come from?

(22:26):
And we start.
Everybody starts looking around, and a
helicopter just goes.
We never heard it.
And they were a SEAL team.

Speaker A (22:36):
Wow.

Speaker B (22:37):
Mm.

Speaker A (22:38):
And that's crazy because again, like I said on my episode of Dolce Base, we
know NASA invented the microwave oven,invented Velcro, but how did they do that?

Speaker B (22:50):
I don't know.

Speaker A (22:50):
Like, where'd that technology come from?
Right?And if you're really into conspiracies, like
me, which, again, I absolutely love.
I'm not a tinfoil hat guy, but I'm, you know.
Okay.
But anyway, in this base, there are differentlevels where technology is being developed and
then put out there, like, you know, in yourphone, like your Apple Phone with Siri, right?

(23:12):
You say, hey, Siri. That was militarytechnology, and they released it to the
public.
So, you know, not to get in this rabbit hole
or anything, but definitely check it out.
I think you and Stacy would have a blast in itbecause there's a lot of stuff in there that
just doesn't make sense.
And if you go on Reddit and you check some
threads, there's some things.
Okay, I don't know if you're.
You're right about that, but it's still

(23:33):
fascinating.
It's still really interesting.

Speaker B (23:36):
Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm interested.
Definitely.
And definitely got my attention with that one.
That sounds good.
I mean, even if I. So I sent a text to Stacyand her response was, I was like, look up the
Dolce Air Force Base in New Mexico.
And her response was, yes, please, let's doit.

Speaker A (23:54):
Love it, love it, love it.
So let's talk about.
Before we get into our main topic for today,you said you had a thing about Cryptids, too.

Speaker B (24:02):
I do, I do.
I.
I have one big encounter,
and now that I'm thinking about it, sinceyou're kind of into the military conspiracy
stuff, I'm just going to tell you this onejust because it happened at the same base as
my cryptid experience.
So there in New Jersey, there is a prp.

(24:26):
PRP base.
They used to store the nuclear weapons there.
They moved all the nuclear weapons out.
So now they can't get rid of the base becausenormally when they close down a base, they
sell it to the public.
They can't sell it to the public because ofthe radiation that's still in the ground from
the nuclear weapons.
So it's a skeleton crew there.

(24:48):
All that's there is military police just tomake sure that people don't sneak onto base.
So we are bored there.
We have nothing to do.
It's not a real base.
It's not an active base.
There isn't people coming and going.
There's a hundred people there, tops.
So this was in New Jersey.
And we would, we would take little hiking

(25:09):
events and things like that, and we'd marktrails and we, you know, just entertain
ourselves.
It's just a big open space with, like a bunch
of abandoned buildings.
So we would just go exploring.
Yeah, we come across an old gel sale.
There's no roads to it.
There's electricity to it.
That's how we found it.
We were following the electricity lines, the

(25:29):
electricity poles.
We're like, what's out here?There's nothing on the maps marked out here.
We're following electricity poles one day andwe're having to hike.
There's nothing.
I mean, there's no roads.
We probably hiked about two miles in before wefound it.
We found the old guard check, and we found asingle gel cell.
Just one.
The bed's still in there.

(25:50):
The toilet is still in there.
And this is a nice gel cell.
They had a full size bed.
They had an armchair.
Oh,
right.

Speaker A (26:00):
Okay.

Speaker B (26:00):
We start looking through the guard check, which the guard check was made out of
wood.
So the guard check was completely crumbled by
this point.
And we start rummaging through everything thatwe can,
and we find a logbook.
And in the logbook, it was dated right after
World War II.
And in it is a bunch of German names and

(26:22):
numbers.

Speaker A (26:23):
Okay.

Speaker B (26:24):
We start researching these German names.
And they were German scientists that workedwith the Nazis.

Speaker A (26:32):
Okay.

Speaker B (26:33):
So the theory that we all came up with was that this was because there's the
conspiracy that they brought.
Well, and I think it's been proven by this
point that they brought a bunch of the Germanscientists to the United States.

Speaker A (26:47):
Correct. Operation Paperclip a.

Speaker B (26:51):
A some sort of holding facility for them to get vetted, get their documentation in
order before they got released or before theywere allowed to go do whatever.
Because this, this building, this room thatthey were in,
that they were housed in, it was.
It had bars on the windows and stuff.

(27:12):
It looked like a gel cell, but it was verynice on the inside.
There was a dining room table with two chairs.
There was a full size bed.
Like a whole bathroom.
Like, this was extravagant for just a jailcell, but it was just for, you know, there was
only enough room for one person to live inthere, to be honest.
But it was just bizarre.
Bizarre.
So that's.

(27:32):
That was the theory that we came up with.
And it's on one of my old phones.
I have video of.
Of it and the.
Of the log books with the names and stuff.

Speaker A (27:42):
Okay.

Speaker B (27:43):
So at some point, I'll get that put out on my social media once I dig through all
of my icloud stuff and retrieve it.
Because, I mean, this was 10 years ago, so
it's been a while.
But I do have video of it.

Speaker A (27:56):
So I love that.
Yeah, that's always just weird, right?
I love.
You know, they have on YouTube a number of
different things where they have abandonedplaces and people go in there, which I'm
always like, I don't know how, you know, getarrested, but okay, but like abandoned
military places,
abandoned mansions,
you know, all this stuff.

Speaker B (28:18):
Right.
I like all that stuff too.

Speaker A (28:20):
That's crazy.
And they find.
They find all this weird stuff in there, orthey go into places where it's like people
just left.
It's like we gotta go, we gotta go.

Speaker B (28:30):
Like their clothes are still hanging in the closet.

Speaker A (28:32):
Clothes are still there, plates are still there, everything.

Speaker B (28:38):
I think the podcast is.
What was it called?
And then they were gone.

Speaker A (28:43):
Hmm.

Speaker B (28:44):
I'll have to look it up because this podcast, it's these people that come
across this facility and they start digginginto it and it's, there's this whole backstory
to it and if you're interested, I'm not goingto give it away, but there's this whole
backstory to it that basically is humantrafficking.
And so this is.
They found all this documentation of kids were

(29:05):
here and kids were being sold and all thiskind of stuff and it's abandoned.
And then they start getting harassed and, andgetting threats and then they, they stopped
recording.
So never find out what's, what's happening,what happens because they, they decided that
they're, they were in danger so they juststopped recording altogether.

(29:27):
Yeah, but that was, that's a real interestingtoo and I think it's called.
And then they were gone.

Speaker A (29:31):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, one of my favorite things too is there's things on
YouTube where Disney abandoned some parks.
So like Walt Disney parks are just sitting
there like, and you're not supposed to go onthem.
They have like, you know, hey, you know,you're going to get arrested, blah, blah,
blah, blah.

Speaker B (29:50):
Right.

Speaker A (29:50):
But just fascinating.
But I like the homes and I like the mansions
where people just were like, whatever, I'mleaving, maybe their mortgage.

Speaker B (29:59):
Love that kind of stuff.
When my daughter was little, I mean now Iwouldn't be able to get away.
We still do it.
My daughter is a teenager now, but when she
was little, I don't know how many times we gotbusted.
I would take her and we'd find like theseabandoned places.
We were at this abandoned hospital.
It's all fenced off, says no trespassing, all

(30:20):
that kind of stuff.
And we found a hole, she's like three and we,
I take her in there and she there.
We find, we find a door that it has a brokenout panel so she just goes and unlocks the
door.
She can squeeze.
I'd send her in and she'd unlock the door andthen I'd walk around with her and we got
caught by the cops and she was just so cute.

(30:43):
She was like, oh, I wanted to see what theinside looked like, sir.
And he was like, oh, it's dangerous, you guyscan't be here.
And sent us on our way.
And I used to get out of like getting introuble all the Time now, I wouldn't be able
to because she's kind of an *******, but.

Speaker A (30:56):
Yeah, and you got to be careful of those places, too, because mold and other air
things, you know, if you're going to go inthere, like, I have a lot of my paranormal
investigators I've interviewed.
You know, they'll go into different placesand.
And like asylums, old hospital.

Speaker B (31:13):
Yeah. It can be dangerous.

Speaker A (31:15):
And they tell people, just make sure you mask up.
Make sure, you know.
You know, when you get home, wash your clothes
and everything, you know, just don't throwthem in a pile.
Wash them, take a shower, you know, and that'sgood.

Speaker B (31:30):
Asbestos is a big thing, too.

Speaker A (31:32):
Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah.
So I think I got the perfect topic for you.
Lavender.
I know you do paranormal.
You do true crime.
Oh, what if I told you that there have been
ghosts who have committed murder?
What do you think about that?

Speaker B (31:54):
Okay. I don't.
I want to hear this.
I want to hear what you have to say, but Idon't.
I don't think if it was a ghost,
I'm going to put it out right now.
It wasn't a ghost.
Ghost.
I don't think ghosts can manifest enough
energy and strength to actually kill somebody.
If it is anything paranormal, it would have to
be something from another realm or somethinglike a demon or.

(32:16):
Or something along those lines.
Not. Not a human spirit.

Speaker A (32:21):
Absolutely.
So my belief in this, and we're going to readthrough some of these stories.
I'm not going to go too in depth, and then I'mgoing to ask you what you think.

Speaker B (32:30):
Okay.

Speaker A (32:31):
You know, kind of each story here.
But one of the things about it is, like you
said, ghosts have to.
Spirits have to manifest tremendous energy to
even touch you for your hair.
Like, I've had investigators on.
They have.
They've been shoved.
They have had scratches, they've had bruises,
they have the hair pulled.

(32:51):
They've had other things like that happen to
them, which is nine times.

Speaker B (32:55):
Yeah, but nine times out of ten, not much happens after that.
If they get attacked and they get scratched orsomething,
generally nothing else happens.
They have to go back another time.

Speaker A (33:09):
Correct.

Speaker B (33:10):
Because the ghost has exhausted all their energy that they had.

Speaker A (33:13):
Yes, yes.
And, you know, again, it's a lot with
Hollywood, you know, ooh, ghost can kill youand go, you know, okay.
But again, it's Hollywood.
They're going to do that.

Speaker B (33:26):
I think people also use ghosts in conjunction with.
With other beings.
I. I have.
Oh, I have so many stories.
Like, I was stalked, if that's the term you
want to use followed by shadow people.

Speaker A (33:46):
And go on.

Speaker B (33:48):
So. Okay, so I will give you just the whole.
The whole spill.
So there's.
There's some.
Some could be.
It could be mental.
It could not be.
It could also be the shadow people.
I started experiencing them after my fatherdied.
I was back.
I'm originally from Colorado, so I was back in
Colorado dealing with the funeral and gettingall his stuff taken care of.

(34:14):
And we're at my uncle's house and it's all thecousins and my uncle and my brother.
We're all sitting around the.
The kitchen and we're eating potato burritos.
If you've ever been to Colorado, then, you
know, potato burritos and green chil is a bigthing.
And we're eating potato burritos and I'm.
My back is kind of caddy corner to this.

(34:38):
The stove to the oven.
And I turn to look and whoever's sitting next
to me, I can't remember who's sitting next tome.
They go to say something, and out of thecorner of my eye I see a man sitting on the
stove, like perched like a cat with its frontarms between its legs.
Like its legs.
You know how cats set.
He's a cool grown man.
And it startles me to the point that I go to

(35:01):
jump up, I knock the table over and my chairover and it's gone.
And that was the first time that I saw it.
Then for years, this thing followed me and was
six foot tall, man.
I never saw any facial expressions or
anything.
Just solid black shadow.

(35:21):
But it moved like a feline.
Sometimes he would be walking on his hindlegs, sometimes he would be crawling across
floor, walking like a cat.
Anytime he come and get next to me, he would
climb up.
I would be watching tv, and out of the cornerof my eye I could see him climb up onto the
couch next to me.
He would climb up onto the couch like a cat.
But anytime I would directly look at him, hewould disappear.

(35:43):
He would just kind of fade away like smoke.

Speaker A (35:47):
Okay.

Speaker B (35:48):
And for years I would look at my rearview mirror and his face would be right
there.
That's all I could see for a second.

Speaker A (35:54):
Oh, my God.

Speaker B (35:55):
And then after.
After a while, I started trying to communicate
with it.
Never got anywhere.
Never got any sort of.
Any sort of response or anything.

Speaker A (36:06):
Yeah.

Speaker B (36:07):
But a second one and he scared me.
The first one scared me.
I was terrified of it.
Yeah, of course, second one showed up and the
second one would chase him.
The first one off.
It's like the first one would come in There
would be times that I would be in bed and Iwould feel him climb into the bed and I would

(36:28):
turn on the light, the lamp next to the bed,and I could see.
See him for a split second, like, right overme.
Like, his face right over mine.
And.
Yeah, it was terrifying.

Speaker A (36:40):
Yeah.

Speaker B (36:40):
Then the second one started showing up.
He would show up after the first one wasthere.
I got to the point where I was trying tofigure out what it wanted.
So I wouldn't directly look at him.
I would just watch him from the corner of my
eye and just kind of watch to see what it wasdoing.
And this second one would show up and like,

(37:02):
I don't know how.
You'll be like a macho man and like they.
You could see the two of them in like, somesort of conflict, but there was never any.
Any sound.
I never.
I never heard him.
But then the first one would disappear and the
second one would kind of look at me and Iwould look at him and he would stay there for

(37:23):
a second and then he would disappear.
And eventually they.
Neither one of them came around.
Yeah, they just stopped.

Speaker A (37:29):
Well, that's good.
I was thinking this might be associated with
sleep paralysis, but you were awake, so.

Speaker B (37:35):
And I. And it wasn't.
I mean, it was.
I wouldn't say every day, but at least once aweek.
I saw.
Saw it for.
For years.
I mean, my dad died in 2015, and I got out ofactive duty in 2018, and I was working on base

(37:59):
in 2018, and I have a vivid memory of.
I'm in the storage facility and I'm going tomove these.
I'm moving these boxes.
As was my job, I was transcribing paper
documents to the online version.
So I have this box full of files and I pick it
up and I go to move it, and he's standingbehind the box and it startles me and I drop
the box.

(38:20):
Smiles everywhere.
And this was 2018. So this is three yearsafter my dad died.
And it was just.
It was probably three or four months that the
second one started showing up before they bothquit coming around.

Speaker A (38:34):
Interesting. Wow. Well, I just got chills.

Speaker B (38:38):
I know.
I. I have seen.
I've gone to, like, psychics.
I've talked to, like, therapists.
They, like, therapists think it's PTSDrelated.

Speaker A (38:48):
Okay.

Speaker B (38:49):
They. Their.
Their theory is that it's a form of traumatic
amnesia, that I can't remember the person thathurt me.
So it manifests in flashbacks, as a shadow.

Speaker A (39:06):
Sure.

Speaker B (39:07):
That's their.
Their theory.
I've gone to Psychics and palm readers, andthey think that it is a jinn.

Speaker A (39:15):
Right.
That's a nasty evil spirit, by the way.

Speaker B (39:19):
And I have had several different.
Different psychics and palm readers and even a
shaman all say the same thing, that I justdabbled in something because I. I'm.
I wouldn't say I'm a Wiccan, but I'm.
I'm spiritual.
So I dabbled in something.
Caught.
Caught its interest.
And yes,

(39:40):
it was trying to do whatever jinn do.

Speaker A (39:44):
Yeah.

Speaker B (39:44):
I don't necessarily know if they possessed people or not, but for whatever
reason, it.
It was trying to torment me.

Speaker A (39:51):
Yes.
I'm glad that you came out stronger out ofthis.
Yeah.
Jin typically want to manifest in your dreams
and basically drive you and slowly insane.
They're just there to torment you.
Like, you know, or what we call gaslightingtoday.
Whatever you want to call it,

(40:12):
just kind of mess with you.
Just get that little, like, you know, where
you're just, like, in your room screaming yourhead off and.

Speaker B (40:20):
Right.
And, you know, that's.
That would be what.
Nobody was believing me.

Speaker A (40:24):
That's.

Speaker B (40:24):
And so it was.
And I've always wondered why the second one
started coming around.
And I got the.
I got the feeling that they were both males.

Speaker A (40:35):
Yeah.

Speaker B (40:36):
And I wasn't afraid of the second one.
I felt like the second one was helping me.
And so I've always wondered why it stopped.
The first one.

Speaker A (40:48):
Yeah. Right. Interesting.
I've heard stories about that where
something's trying to be a protector andstuff.
I don't know.
Interesting.

Speaker B (40:57):
Right.
Yeah.

Speaker A (40:58):
So getting back, I'm gonna.
There are ask.
Actually, we won't get into all 10, but I'mgonna.
I'm gonna do the highlight because some ofthese are just unbelievable.
So ghosts, again, like I said, who have beenattributed to death.
So one of the ones known, this is.
And I talked to my UK guest about this.

(41:18):
It's called the Hammersmith ghost.
Now, this was back 1800s.
Okay.
And what this ghost did was.
And there are documented deaths attributed tothis ghost.
It was the early 19th century in West London,Hammersmith district.
And there was this terrifying.
Reports of this terrifying apparition.

(41:39):
And people claimed they were attacked by thisghost and everything like that.
And a pregnant woman claimed to have beenattacked physically.
And a wagon driver abandoned his passengersand house in fear at the sight of the specter.
Now, this spread throughout, you know, inHammersmith, in this district.

(41:59):
And one of the things they said that the newsspread that the ghost may have been that of a
man who recently killed himself before beingburied in the churchyard, consecrated ground.
So in other words, this person killedthemselves, committed suicide and then was put

(42:20):
into the consecrated ground.
So one of the big things, and I will have to
do a.
Probably an episode on this, there's a lotassociated with it is one of the things.
And this is the uk, everything is haunted.
That's.
I was talking to my, my UK guest and he.
Yeah, every pub in UK is haunted.
In fact, if there's not a ghost there, they

(42:40):
have to close it down.
He was just kid, but you know what I mean.
It's basically like that.

Speaker B (42:45):
Everything in there is so old, they have so much rich history.

Speaker A (42:49):
It's unbelievable.
So one of the, one of the things is there was
a gentleman, his name was Thomas Millwood.
This is the gentleman who killed himself.
He was supposedly brought to this one back inthe day.
This is so strange.
They would bring him to like a pub and like,
you know, examine the body or somethingbecause basically the pub was like everything,

(43:11):
it's a brothel.
It's like, you know, you post mortems, youknow, you get married, you know, all this
crazy stuff happens there.
When they brought, brought him there,
basically, people thought that he haunted thispub called the Black Lion.
I don't know if it's still there.
And to this day he still haunts it.
And one of the things though, why he killedsomeone was they believe that people who saw

(43:37):
him would like basically go insane orsomething bad would happen to them and they'd
be killed.
And you know, this, to this day, people saythat this ghost,
the Hammersmith Ghost, is still this Blacklion pub, if it's still there and you know,
messes with people basically, you know, willmove, stuff will bust, stuff will cause a lot

(44:00):
of issues with it.
And you know, again, like, like you said,Lavender, could this just be something where
somebody's messing with somebody?Sure.
You know, maybe it's.
Maybe it's not a ghost.
Maybe somebody going after the spirit to, toscare people, I don't know.
But just really quickly, what do you thinkabout that?
Do you believe that there's this guy, that yousee him and you go insane or something really

(44:26):
bad happens to you and there's no real deathsattributed to him per se, but people, how
clean they are.

Speaker B (44:34):
I can, I mean, I believe in karma, so I can see.
And I also believe in like, you can manifestgood stuff and you can manifest bad stuff.
You can also project positive energy ontoothers as well as negative energy onto others.
So I think maybe this could be a true story.
This ghost Is just so ****** off that it's

(44:56):
projecting all of this.
This negative energy onto others, and it's
translating into their bad life as.
Into their.
Into their lives as these bad things happening
to them.

Speaker A (45:06):
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
That's what I think.
I think it's just some type.
And it gets in your head too.
You know, you start thinking about it and then
yours.

Speaker B (45:15):
Spiraling.

Speaker A (45:16):
Yes. Yeah, absolutely.
So the next one is my favorite one.
I got two that are really recent, which.
Okay, super recent.
And the first one is called the Thai windowGhost.
So in 2013,
villagers living in Tambon,
Thai. I'm gonna murder this.

(45:38):
I'm a mushmouth.
Thai sawang in Thailand were so terrorized by
a ghost who was in a window who was believedto have killed 10 men in a single space of a.
Excuse me.
In a space of a single month.
Now, how this happened.

(45:59):
This is true.
You can look this up.
All the men had died under mysterious
circumstances.
Some while sleeping, others apparently
dropping dead while walking around.
All had been declared by doctors to have diedof respiratory failure.
Since this is where it gets weird.

(46:20):
Since none of the men had shown any signs of
being ill, the villagers hired a spirit mediumwho blamed a window ghost for their deaths.
The medium then recommended that each residenthang red shirts outside their houses.
Fire, I have no idea.
So that the spirit would be repelled,

(46:40):
Especially those who only had a single son,since they were most at risk of a ghostly
visit.
While that may have been the end of thesedeaths, in tambon in 2018, this Thai district
was being terrorized.
Another Thai district was being terrorized in

(47:02):
the same way.
So these people would see this, like, woman.
Like, you know, when you look out your window,you see, like, a woman standing right in front
of the window.
And when that would happen, men would die.
But it, like I said, didn't end there.
It went to another district in Thailand.

Speaker B (47:23):
And same thing's happened to do with a single son.

Speaker A (47:26):
They said if you had a single.
If you were a family and you only had one son,
that this would encourage the spirit to killyou.

Speaker B (47:38):
This sounds to me like a curse, correct?

Speaker A (47:41):
Right?

Speaker B (47:42):
Yeah, I think.
I think this sounds like a curse.

Speaker A (47:44):
Yeah. And you know, the funny thing about it, too, is that the men who have died,
like, a lot of the men.
This is weird.
Wouldn't go to sleep.
They would stay away.
They would literally do everything to stayaway.
And you can't do that.
I don't know.

Speaker B (47:59):
Sounds like a scary movie.

Speaker A (48:01):
Yeah, that's what I mean.
And I'm Sure.
It's kind of like the horror movie.
And I'm sure in the military, you had to be.
Maybe there was something that you had to beup for 18, 20 hours.
Right.
Where it was like after that time, you're
like, okay, this isn't good, right?

Speaker B (48:16):
I, I. The longest I've been awake is like 72 hours.

Speaker A (48:21):
Wow.

Speaker B (48:23):
And I remember before I finally was, like, given the opportunity to go to bed,
I couldn't go to sleep.
I was almost, like, intoxicated.
And it was just me and this group of girls,and we were just laughing.
And I remember we were laughing at the wordhippopotamus.
And we were just saying it over and over, andwe were laughing our ***** off like we were

(48:44):
delirious.
But I remember it was like feeling like,
intoxicated.

Speaker A (48:48):
Yeah.

Speaker B (48:48):
And it took a really long time to get your body settled.
At that point, your adrenaline is pumping, soyou can't fall asleep because now your body is
in survival mode.

Speaker A (49:01):
And the story, too, I was looking up this a little bit too, is what they have
felt, is they felt like this woman was sittingon their chest.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, so be like, maybe when your daughter waslittle, you were sleeping and your daughter
would come up and she would crawl on you andshe'd stay on your, your chest.
Right.
And you're kind of like, okay, but if this was

(49:23):
a full woman, even let's say she wears.
She weighs 90 pounds or 100 pounds, you know?

Speaker B (49:28):
Yeah.

Speaker A (49:29):
Okay.

Speaker B (49:30):
So these guys felt essentially the night hag, Correct?

Speaker A (49:33):
Correct.
That's the way we establish it here in the
States, as well as in Europe, too, is known asa night hat.
Where they will sit on your chest.
Cause you to basically stop breathing or have
some.
Or you wake up and you just feel you can'tbreathe.
And you go to the doctor and they're like,wow, there's something going on.

(49:55):
What's.
What's going on with your respiratory system?
And you're like, I don't know, you tell mekind of attitude.
Yeah, right?Yeah.
It's a curse.
No one.
I agree.
It's a curse.
No one has stepped forward to say this, buthere's the thing.
Why would the person curse another place inThailand?

Speaker B (50:15):
I think it's, I don't think it's associated with the place.
I think it's directed at a specific group.

Speaker A (50:23):
Men. Okay. Yeah.
So it's a woman who's been cheated on.
Right there.

Speaker B (50:30):
The woman scorned.

Speaker A (50:31):
Woman scorned.
So this is my favorite one.
And Maybe you and Stacy here.
I'll give you another one too, that maybe you
guys want to do this.
So this One is in 2009.
This is the Jameson family.
This is a super weird one.
Okay.
So in 2009, the Jameson family disappeared off

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the face of the earth.
Their bodies weren't found for another four
years when their skeletal remains were alldiscovered lying face down in the woods close
to their abandoned truck and which had beenfound in 2009.
So just to clarify things, they disappeared in2009.

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Four years later, their bodies were found inthese like not really shallow grave.
It was just them laying face down in thewoods.
So again, just really strange.
Right?
But before their disappearance, the Jamesonfamily had told anyone who had listened that
ghosts were haunting them.

Speaker B (51:34):
I know this story, I think.

Speaker A (51:36):
Okay. And that Matson, their six year old daughter, was in regular conversation
with a ghost girl who had met her death intheir house decades ago.
Now this is really weird.
You can see this on YouTube, by the way.
The day that the family disappeared, security
camera footage shows them packing theirvehicle almost if they're under some type of

(51:58):
trance.
It's fascinating.
It just looks like they're zombies, right?
It does, yeah.
No cause of death was determined and there
have been suggestions, which is really weird,that the family members were possessed by
ghosts who.
That inhabited their home.
Since their bodies were severely decomposed,
there was no way of telling what killed theJamesons.

(52:21):
So speculation is still right there.
These are some of the documented cases I went
through.
There's 10 of them, but I just went throughthe top three.
And there's other crazy ones here, but Iwanted to focus on some real innocent recent
ones.
Excuse me.
And kind of a real famous ones, the Jamesonfamily.

(52:43):
What do you think happened?And why would they go in the woods and lay
face down like.

Speaker B (52:49):
Well, and if I remember right, because they, their truck was found and there
was a big sum of money in the truck, right?

Speaker A (52:56):
Correct, correct.

Speaker B (52:58):
And then they, the truck was towed and they were found almost in that same exact
location.

Speaker A (53:04):
Correct.

Speaker B (53:05):
Years later.
That to me, I think we're gonna, we're gonna
go, we're gonna go way out there.

Speaker A (53:11):
All right.

Speaker B (53:12):
I think that they, they were possessed by something or that they were given
something and that they perhaps went to adifferent dimension.

Speaker A (53:22):
Interesting.

Speaker B (53:24):
And anyone that looks into different dimensions, time in the, in every
other dimension is different than ours.

Speaker A (53:33):
Right.

Speaker B (53:33):
So perhaps they went to this other dimension possessed by this ghost girl.
That probably wasn't a ghost.
It was probably some other entity.
Because ghost ghosts generally like we weretalking about, they generally don't have the
energy.
That would take so much energy to be able topossess somebody and stay in their body for an
indefinite amount of time.

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Human spirits just don't have that capability.
So it would.
It had to have been something else thatpossessed them and then tried to body snatch
them, perhaps, and take them to a differentdimension.
And it killed their bodies in the transition.

Speaker A (54:07):
Interesting.

Speaker B (54:07):
And since there's the time difference, that's why all of a sudden they're
found years later.
Perhaps where they went to that spot is the
vortex or the opening, the.
The,
you know, the thin veil, or however you wantto describe it.

Speaker A (54:25):
Yeah, I love that.
So here's what's interesting, too.
In Native American culture, they bury theirdead face down.
The reason why is because when you bathe faceup, your soul escapes.
So Native American people believe they wanttheir soul to stay.

(54:45):
So they put them face down, so their soulstays there until someone, you know, whether
you want to say medicine man, you know,whatever, lack of a.

Speaker B (54:53):
Better word, comes and is able to.

Speaker A (54:55):
Help their soul, help them go over, transfer over.
So that was fascinating to me, and I was like,huh?
So what you were kind of saying, kind of.
Maybe it lends itself to it.
Maybe there were some spirits there.
And when they did that, right, they were
expecting their spirits, someone to come alongand help them take their spirits to where they

(55:18):
needed to be.
And being that, they told people, you know,this is a. I have to do an episode on this.
They told everybody they were like.
Like your neighbor.
Like, they would come over to you, Lavender,and say, hey, there's these ghosts and there's
a little girl, and I think they're trying todo something.
You know, maybe you would listen to them,maybe you wouldn't, but most people were like

(55:39):
normal people.
Yeah. All right, get off the drugs.
Like, stop drinking.
Like, you know, come on, get your lifetogether.
There were other things that people said,being that the money was in there.
People said maybe there was associated withsome type of scam, some type of con man was
messing with them or con.

(56:01):
Whatever you want to say, but there's nothing.
They literally just die.
They literally just.
It wasn't like stab wounds.
It wasn't like gunshots, nothing.

Speaker B (56:12):
And if I remember right, there wasn't any drugs found in anybody's system.
Nobody had any.
Any sort of illness or anything like that.
There was no signs that this was like amurder, suicide.
There was no drugs or poisons.

Speaker A (56:28):
Yes, absolutely.
And if you watch the footage, like, when
you're you probably moved a lot being in themilitary.
When you're moving, it's a giant pain in the***.
Right.
Because you put the box over there.
Where'd that go?You know what I mean?
And you're putting all these things in yourvehicle and you're like, oh, thank God I'm
done with this.
Like, I hate moving.

(56:49):
I just can't stand moving.
Okay.
It's just a pain in the ***.
But they were just like, walking like this,like a zombie, kind of like the, The.

Speaker B (56:57):
The video of them.
Because I've watched it too.
It is really pretty creepy.
Yeah, They're.

Speaker A (57:04):
Yeah.

Speaker B (57:06):
And I can't remember.
I think it's the wife.
It's like she's not even really bending herknees.

Speaker A (57:11):
No.

Speaker B (57:12):
She's like, stiff leg, walking.
Like she has legs.

Speaker A (57:15):
Yeah. Yeah. So you look at that and you go like, okay, let's say they owe people a
bunch of money.
I don't know.
Maybe they're just so stressed out, they justcan't take it anymore.
And they.
But again, they had money.
So, like, if you're trying to.

Speaker B (57:32):
Bit of money.
I. It was 40 or $50,000.

Speaker A (57:36):
Yes. It was a considerable sum.

Speaker B (57:37):
Yeah.

Speaker A (57:38):
It wasn't like, you know, a few bucks.
It was a considerable sum.

Speaker B (57:41):
Right. It was.
It was quite a bit.

Speaker A (57:43):
Yeah. So again, all these theories, which I absolutely love, by the way, if
they're trying to get away from somebody.
Go ahead.

Speaker B (57:50):
The. If I remember right, the things that they took with them were odd.

Speaker A (57:55):
Yes.

Speaker B (57:56):
Like, they didn't take any family pictures or anything like that.
They took like a box of curtains and.

Speaker A (58:03):
Yeah.

Speaker B (58:04):
And just random things that you maybe already had in storage.

Speaker A (58:09):
Yeah.

Speaker B (58:10):
Like some things that you didn't use anymore, like boxes of old clothes or
something.
That's kind of the.
That's what it reminded of the stuff that theyfound in the truck.
It wasn't anything that.
If you were running away, it wasn't your.
Your box of family pictures.

Speaker A (58:24):
Yeah. Yeah. My other thing is why.
I mean, they weren't found, like, 20 miles
from their truck.
It was like, very close.

Speaker B (58:34):
Oh, yeah.
It was within a couple hundred feet or
something, I think.

Speaker A (58:39):
Correct.
So wait a minute.
So this is where I'm kind of like.
Hang on a second.
When you're searching for people, you're goingto bring cadaver dogs?
You're going to bring some type of dog.

Speaker B (58:48):
Yeah. They would have been found.

Speaker A (58:50):
They would have been found.

Speaker B (58:51):
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker A (58:52):
So they weren't found.
So another theory is.
And I love this, is the ghost Was so powerfulthat it was like putting a shield around them
that nobody could get around them.
And then when they died, it kind of went away.
I don't know what.
Okay. I have no idea about that.

Speaker B (59:11):
I kind of feel like if they were in a different dimension.

Speaker A (59:15):
Correct.

Speaker B (59:15):
Then they would.
They could have been in that exact spot.

Speaker A (59:19):
Yes.

Speaker B (59:19):
And nobody would have seen them.

Speaker A (59:21):
Correct.
Correct.

Speaker B (59:22):
I have heard of the theory that perhaps they had wandered off into the
wilderness and they were trying to survive outin the wilderness.
Because if I remember right, it was the end ofsummer when they.

Speaker A (59:35):
Yes.

Speaker B (59:35):
Left.

Speaker A (59:36):
Yeah.

Speaker B (59:36):
So they initially could have survived out there.

Speaker A (59:40):
Yes.

Speaker B (59:41):
And winter hit, they realized that they could not survive out there, and they
tried to go back to their truck and ended updying of hyperthermia because they couldn't
find the truck since it had already beentaken.

Speaker A (59:53):
Yeah. Yeah, Absolutely.

Speaker B (59:54):
That is a plausible theory.
And I. I do that.
That is plausible to me, But I also think thatthey would have.
These were not wilderness people.
They would have left a.
Tracks.
They would have left things behind.
They would have left a clear trail to wherethey went, and they would have been found.

Speaker A (01:00:13):
Absolutely.
Absolutely. Yeah. There are a couple othercases like that before we wrap up here that I
want to do on.
There was years ago,
these.
I think, in the 70s, where these boys were
going to a basketball game.
Just regular high school.

Speaker B (01:00:27):
Yeah. We did an episode on them, the Yuma 5.

Speaker A (01:00:29):
I gotta check that one out too.

Speaker B (01:00:30):
Yep.

Speaker A (01:00:31):
So you know the deal.
So they find, like, this.
Not a cabin, but, like, trailer.
Correct.
It was like a trailer with.
With it.
Stock, with food and water.
And.
And nobody did anything.
They just died.

Speaker B (01:00:43):
No, they just died.
That one is.
Is interesting to me because I think there wasonly two of the two of the five that actually
made it to the cabin.
The other three died in the.
In the woods on the way to the cabin.
The cabin was something like 15 miles or
something from where they left their car.
So how they even made it that far in the snow

(01:01:04):
is crazy to me to begin with.
And the.
The one guy.
So for the Yuma 5, I think that the one guykilled them all.
Really, I do.
Because there has been one.
One of them that they've never found.
And there's been multiple sightings for years
following of him.

Speaker A (01:01:23):
Yeah. Interesting.
I just love this stuff.
It's just.
It's so great, you know, and there's countless
stories like that.
Countless stories where people have said
they've been lost in the woods and, like, aspirit came out of nowhere and.

Speaker B (01:01:36):
Led them to whoever the missing 411 I think it is.

Speaker A (01:01:43):
No.

Speaker B (01:01:44):
Oh, you'll have to look up missing 41 1.
Missing 411 is.
I can't think of his name.
He was a detective.
He retired.
Well, when he was detective, he kept gettingthese missing person reports from national
parks.

Speaker A (01:01:58):
Yeah.

Speaker B (01:01:58):
But never do anything with it.
Never found these people.
When he retired, he's like, these are allconnected.
And it was things like these people would gomissing in.
In broad daylight.
Majority of them were wearing red.
Their bodies would be found after the search
party searched that area.
They would go back for a second or third
search, and they would find their bodies in anexact place that they had searched previously.

(01:02:22):
They were always naked, and their.
Their clothing was always found after the fact
folded neatly and placed on top of their shoesin a different location than the body is
found.

Speaker A (01:02:32):
Okay.

Speaker B (01:02:33):
Yeah, you'll have to look into the missing 411 because that one is crazy.

Speaker A (01:02:37):
I'll look up that one.
He thinks.

Speaker B (01:02:40):
He thinks that it is something to do with alien abductions or something like
that, and that these people aren't survivingthe abductions and that they're like just kind
of disposing of them.

Speaker A (01:02:52):
Wow. Wow. Well, Lavender, this was awesome.
Like I said, I'll put the article in myepisode notes along with your information
stuff where you can check out Stacy and yourpodcast.
There's 10 of them.
Okay.

Speaker B (01:03:08):
Yes, I'm.
I'm interested.

Speaker A (01:03:10):
And so I only hit on the.
Like I said, the recent ones and the real
famous one that was contributed.
But there are other things a lot in the uk, A
lot of weird stuff.

Speaker B (01:03:20):
Right.

Speaker A (01:03:20):
Especially around Jack the Ripper old.

Speaker B (01:03:23):
So.

Speaker A (01:03:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right.
It was just really bizarre at that time, the1800s.
There's no way you could make me live in the80s.
It was.

Speaker B (01:03:32):
Right.

Speaker A (01:03:33):
Terrible.
It was the worst.
Everybody's dying.

Speaker B (01:03:37):
You had to use an outhouse.

Speaker A (01:03:39):
Oh, my God, forget about it.
I don't even want to know.
So could you tell my spooky friends, Lavender,what do you and Stacy got coming up on the
podcast?What are you guys looking into and gonna be
putting out?

Speaker B (01:03:51):
So we generally plan our scripts.
We do scripts, and we do the research
ourselves and everything, and then we presentit to the other person, and the other person
is completely blind to it.

Speaker A (01:04:03):
Love it.

Speaker B (01:04:05):
I do know that Stacy is working on.
They have released the.
And I'm.
I can't remember now.
And she's going to kill me if I. Because I
forgot it's the cult that the senator went toand they killed the senator.
And then it was like 900 people drank the KoolAid.

Speaker A (01:04:24):
Jamestown.

Speaker B (01:04:25):
Jamestown.
Yes.

Speaker A (01:04:27):
Yes.

Speaker B (01:04:27):
She's gonna kill me when she hears this.
And she knows that I forgot.
So they have released a bunch of new
documents, and she is.
She has been, like, head.
Head deep in this, and apparently it is notvoluntary suicide is all I know.
So I'm not exactly sure what that means.

(01:04:48):
So she's working on that.
The most recent one that I am working on isthe.
Her name is Teresita, and this will be rightup your alley.
Her name is Teresita.
She was murdered and then set on fire.
She then possessed her best friend.

Speaker A (01:05:04):
Oh.

Speaker B (01:05:04):
To point out who her killer was.

Speaker A (01:05:07):
I love it.
That's awesome.
Yeah, I look forward to that.
Tell me when that's out.
I'm definitely.
Check that out.

Speaker B (01:05:13):
That one.
That one will be out.
We haven't recorded it yet, so within the nextcouple weeks, probably.

Speaker A (01:05:19):
Nice. So, again, thank you so much for doing this.
Thank you.
Going overtime with me, you know, I could talk
to you for hours.
It's great.
So great.

Speaker B (01:05:29):
This was good.

Speaker A (01:05:29):
Yeah, this is awesome.
You know, again,
please check out, you know, Lavenders ofStacey's podcast early on Wednesday.
You love them.
Like I said, they have some very.
When they laugh together, you'll love it.
When they go off on little tangents, it's
still very funny.
And yeah, if you do see Mothman and there'ssome butt plugs coming out of there, you know.

Speaker B (01:05:52):
You know that Mothman listened to our episode.

Speaker A (01:05:54):
You know that they Mothman listen.

Speaker B (01:05:56):
So.

Speaker A (01:05:57):
So thank you so much, Lavender.
And like I always tell my podcast guests, if
you want me as a guest, please, I'd love tocome on, talk about anything you guys love to
talk about, because it's.
It's always fun.

Speaker B (01:06:10):
Well, maybe we'll have to plan round two on our podcast and we can finish the
rest of your list.

Speaker A (01:06:15):
I would love that.
Yes.
Because there's some really good stuff on hereand some really interesting, especially about
female ghosts, which I'm like, oh, yeah.

Speaker B (01:06:23):
I feel like it's always the women.
We're just feisty and spiteful.

Speaker A (01:06:27):
You darn right.
Do not **** off a woman in this life or the
afterlife.
You're in big trouble.

Speaker B (01:06:33):
So I.

Speaker A (01:06:34):
All right, well, thanks again, Lavender, and you have a great night.
And stay spooky.
Bye.
Bye.