Haunted Conversations: Exploring the Paranormal Gina from She Haunts/Afterlife All Stars Colleen of Afterlife All Stars

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In this exciting episode of Dairyland Frights, host John reunites with the incredible Gina from She Haunts and welcomes Colleen from Afterlife All Stars for a captivating discussion on their paranormal adventures. They delve into the world of ghost hunting, exploring their latest investigations, including chilling tales from jails and haunted locations. Gina shares her journey into cemetery photography and the symbolism behind headstones, while Colleen recounts her experiences with the Estes method and the emotional connections they forge with spirits. Together, they reflect on the importance of respectful investigation and the unique dynamics of their team. This episode is filled with spine-tingling stories, insightful theories, and plenty of laughs that will leave you eager for more!

00:00 - Dairyland Frights is a paranormal podcast based in the Midwest

01:11 - Gina is almost finished writing her first book about cemetery symbolism

03:13 - Colleen joined the Afterlife All-Star team after meeting Gina last fall

04:11 - Afterlife All Stars began as an idea between two former baseball players

07:18 - I love my team. I love what we stand for. Whatever you want. What they do is their thing and journey

07:36 - Colleen says she met Gina after following her on Instagram

09:25 - When was your first paranormal experience? How old were you

11:47 - Gina has done several ghost investigations recently, including one at a Florida jail

14:48 - Why do you think jails continue to be a hotspot for paranormal energy

18:10 - This method is a very vulnerable way to talk to spirits

20:03 - Have you ever done an estus method where it scared you something really scary

23:17 - One of my female investigators was interviewing someone when she heard something behind her

27:41 - You hear women screaming across several stations, and you start crying

29:33 - Colleen: Have you ever thought you brought something home with you

34:28 - Do you think there is a connection between spiritual energy and our Energy

37:24 - Colleen: What do you think makes a good team member

39:23 - Colleen Klein says female investigators sometimes feel spied on when looking at them

43:58 - We did an unusual Estes method to channel a spirit in Indiana

47:11 - There are certain locations that I would never investigate, Gina says

50:08 - There are some paranormal shows where they see demons everywhere, right

51:53 - Gina says 95% of orbs are caused by humidity or dust particles

55:59 - So first question. Who is more likely to pull a prank during the investigation

57:33 - Which one of you two would be most likely to survive a zombie apocalypse

59:04 - Who's more addicted to their phone during an investigation

59:57 - What is your pet peeve on an investigation

01:00:16 - Talking too much during investigation drives me crazy

01:01:20 - Which one of you is the party animal up

01:02:01 - Gene: My dream investigation is in England at Chillingham Castle

01:05:03 - You can take anyone else with you to go investigate who you take

01:07:22 - Colleen: Gina, what's coming up next on the Beyond Boundaries podcast

References:

Afterlife All Stars https://linktr.ee/afterlifeallstars

She Haunts
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my favorite persons. And to be another one of my
favorite people, I have Gina. She's from she

(00:32):
Haunts. We've had her on before and she's
amazing. Please go check out her amazing content
about graveyard cemeteries. She didn'talk about
that. And I have Colleen, and they're from
After Life All Stars. Paranormal,
right? Is that that s your title?
Awesome. So thank you again for doing

(00:53):
this. Like I said, I had Gina on before
from she Haunts. And like I said, go check everything
out.
I miss Gina. I had to have her back on because she
was so awesome.
Gina, why don't you tell the folks let's talk

(01:14):
about she Haunts first. Why don't you talk about that
and what you've been doing with that? Cause you're, you know, like I said,
just amazing content. You've been putting out the.

>> Gina (01:22):
Thank you. Thank you. I've just been, you know, my thing
is I. I work locally with my paranormal
team, Afterlife All Stars, and we do a lot of spooky
UKI exploring around South Florida. And I
also, on my own, I do cemetery photography.
And I am currently almost finished
writing my first book, which is about cemetery

(01:42):
symbolism. I'm super excited to finally be almost
done. So writing a book
is no joke, everyone. It's. It's definitely a bigger
undertaking than I thought it was going to be, but I'm very excited for
that. And that's coming out soon. It's going off to
the publisher and it's going to be all wrapped up with a bow,
hopefully in a few months. But otherwise just, you know, I've been

(02:03):
traveling and doing my paranormal research
and know all things spooky. And I'm just really
happy to be back because we had such a great conversation
last time and I'm just really happy that you
invited us back.

>> John (02:15):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely. I had
to. Cause it was so awesome and I got a lot of great
comments and stuff. A lot of people were asking
me, is she gonna do a photography book?
I got some emails that, you know, and I should have ve sent them to you, but
I was like, I think she was doing something, but they were asking
me that she could do a photography book, you know, and I

(02:35):
was like, you know, shoot, I gott gett ask her that. So that was one of
the questions. Like, yeah, I gotta ask her that. I just
got those, emails when I was putting out some
things about social media and everything. So
awesome.

>> Colleen (02:47):
Gina is, by the way, sorry to jump in, but I have to toot her
horn for herus. She's so humble. But her cemetery
photos are amazing.

>> John (02:55):
They are amazing.

>> Gina (02:55):
Thank you.

>> John (02:56):
They're absolutely amazing. And she was so
nice to send me some to put up on my
social media site. And thank you for that because again,
I got a lot of people go, wow, that's super cool,
you know, reaching out to me and everything. So awesome.
So, like I said, Gina has her
Afterlife All Star team, and Colleen

(03:17):
is part of that team. And Colleen, you are
fairly new, correct?

>> Colleen (03:21):
New to the team. And I didn't know that when I agreed
to join that the gauntlet I would have to run was
doing a podcast. So interview. So thanks
for that, Gina. No, just kidding. I'm fine with
it.

>> John (03:33):
This is just the start of the tour. Colleen, you guys
are next
on tour.
Yes. Roadies, you guys are go going toa be sleeping
in a bus. It's gonna be crazy.

>> Colleen (03:48):
Yeah, yeah. I'm new to the team,
I mean, really new. But I met Gina about
six months, maybe last fall, sometime during
spooky season. That was when I decided to come out for one of their events.
And we, we just kind of clicked and we had a great time. And
I love the team. I love all. There's six of us all
together. And, we. We just really clicked. It was great. So
here I am.

>> John (04:09):
Know.
So, Gina, tell my spooky friends about
Afterlife All Stars. Kind of, you know,
how it got started and what do you guys
investigate? You knowsoly.

>> Gina (04:19):
So Afterlife All Star, began as an
idea between myself and the other co founder,
Timwind, and we had recently left
another team, and we kind of wanted to start something
fresh and something new. But basically, you know, we were just kind
of investigating with on our own for a little while.
And Tim is a retired

(04:40):
minor league baseball player. And he, you
know, he's. I always think of him in that context of, you know, sports
and team and, you know, all of that. And when we were
talking about kind of starting something new, he brought up the idea
of All Stars. He said, well, maybe we can get together with some
other investigators and kind of have like an All Stars
team, kind of like in the sense of, you know, in baseball, when you would get

(05:00):
together and you get all the MDP together and you would get
a super group. And I just thought, hey, why don't we call
ourselves Afterlife All Stars. You know, we can bring in the
elements of the baseball and, gohost
hunting and really kind of kick something off. That will be an
interesting group. And our
basic idea was, when we kind of created that
foundation, was we want to investigate with

(05:22):
other people. We want to collaborate, we want to work with
other investigators. And we have been doing that.
We've been working with other teams in Florida. We're
also, you know, we try to stretch our tentacles as
far as we can to meet new people all over the United States and
beyond. Because we're, you know, we're. We're
very passionate about gohost hunting, and we want
to experience, you know, investigating

(05:44):
with other people, investigating new locations. So that
was our goal. And we have absolutely been, you know, kind of
chipping away at that. We locally, we
work with some museum properties and
nonprofits to do events to raise money for
them. Our home base is a museum in Fort Lauderdale. And
we do our. What we call paranormal boot camp.
And that's actually how we met Colleen, because she came to one of those

(06:07):
events. And we do a little Q and A kind of
crash course on how to use popular paranormal
equipment. And then we bring our guests along on
an investigation. It's not one of those things where you
watch other people investigate, and they just say, oh, well, this is how
it's done. We give them the equipment, and we
say, here, you do it, you go and you use the,

(06:27):
you know, the EMF reader, you ask the questions,
you pull the equipment. And I think it's.
For me, it's a really fun experience because I
really enjoy meeting new people. And
also by having guests with us on
events like that, we learn new techniques from guests.
And I would say, you know, before I cut off my tangent here,
one of our most. One of my favorite experiments that we've kind of

(06:50):
implemented over the years is we. One of
our guests wanted to sing. She said, oh, well, maybe if we start
singing a song, you know, maybe we'll get some feedback.
And we sing almost every investigation. I know it
sounds silly, but we get great responses from
singing. And just little things like that.
You never know what's going to stick. So you, you know,

(07:10):
you got to try and experiment with new ideas.
And that's my tangent.
I love my team. I love what we do. I love
what we stand for. And we're out here just trying to help
others and explore the paranormal and have a good time.

>> John (07:24):
I absolutely love that, Gina, because you're different from other
teams, and that's fine. What they do is
their thing and journey. Whatever you.
Whatever you want.
But, Colleen, I have a question for you. Gina is not listening right
now, but what do you really think of Gina as
a leader? I mean, when you met her, you probably thought
like, my God, she's wonderful.

>> Colleen (07:44):
Okay, well, I have. This is a true story.

>> John (07:47):
Okay.

>> Colleen (07:48):
The whole reason. So I've done paranormal
investigations. I've been on ghost hunts. I've been in this
world for a couple years and not on a team, just
going to paranormal events. Michigan
Paracon, Strange. Amy Brunney'strange Escapes.
I've done lots of events. I have a team, though. They'my team,
but good friends of mine who are up in Wisconsin who investigate, and
they took me along as a guest investigator. So I wasn't

(08:11):
totally like, I didn't come to the event with Gina
going, I would like to learn about ghost hunting. The reason
I showed up was because I followed she hants on
Instagram and I was a massive fan. And, when I found
out when I started to see that all Afterlife all
stars and she haunts were kind of tracking together, I thought, oh,
I think they're. This is the same person. And then I said, okay,

(08:31):
I'm going to come out for an event. And I got to meet her. And I
fangirled. I'm not. I'm not just saying that, Je. I really
did. I was like, freaking out. I'm like, I'm meeting her. Oh,
my God. So, yeah, it was really. It was a cute,
like, meet cute for us, but.
But then we did, We had so much fun. And it was. They let.
It was the first time I'd ever done. No, I guess it was the second time

(08:52):
I'd ever done an esta session. But they were so
chill about, you know, some teams, they don't. They
want to be in control of stuff like that. And when I showed up for
Afterlife, they. They were like, what equipment do you want to
play with? What experiments do you want to do? Do you want to do this? Where would you
like to go? Like, they just were so
awesomely welcoming. And, since

(09:13):
I've joined the team, I've witnessed. I try to be that way, too. When we
have guests and stuff and watch their faces light up when their
K2 meter goes crazy. It's really cool.

>> John (09:21):
Yeah, right, Right.
So I already asked this to Gina on our episode,
but, Colleen, when was your first
paranormal experience? How old were you?
You know what. What did it involve?

>> Colleen (09:32):
Okay, this isnna not. This is the unsexy
answer.

>> John (09:35):
Well, that's okay.

>> Colleen (09:37):
I didn't really have paranormal experiences as a
child. I know a lot of investigators do and that's why they go into
it. Y and I was raised by two parents
who are complete skeptics. Complete. My
mother and father are sciency. They raised
me not to believe in any of this, but I
noticed over the years that little weird

(09:57):
synchronicities would happen in my life and I just
kind of decided to remain open minded about everything.
And I think that that opened me up to
having more experiences. So I noticed by the time I was a
teenager I was having more experiences. And the by time I went to college
and then when I was an adult, I, you know, that's when ghost
hunting shows really took off and I got I
obsessed with watching everything, consuming

(10:20):
everything I could. Kindred spirits, ghost hunters, you know.
Yeah, I started to notice things and since then
I've had some incredible experiences. But yeah,
so that, you know, that's my origin story
really was a slow burn into the. Into this
community.

>> John (10:34):
Yeah, I think that's what I hear.
Either someone has an experience that really shaped
them when they were young or they didn't have one. But they're
like. Which is I think is always funny. I've had some of
my guests that I was the nerd at the library
reading books on ghosts and reading
Stephen King when I was 12 and you know,
whenever you just nailed it.

>> Colleen (10:56):
I'm sorry, step over you. But that's. No, no, I will
say I was a spooky kid for
sure. the first book I ever read was the Exorcist and
I was about 11 and my goodness, true story.
I read it when I was home alone because it was the
80s when I was 11. So we were allowed to stay home when we were
11 and I was home alone in Miami.
Thunderstorm rolled in. I was in the bathtub

(11:19):
reading it because I like to just sit in the tub and read and the
power went out. Well the And I just
froze. And I was like, I think I'm goingna die now.

>> John (11:27):
And then you heard a voice go, Colleen, get
out.

>> Colleen (11:30):
I ran away and never came back.

>> John (11:32):
No, you're running naked down there're like where is with that?
What's going on?

>> Colleen (11:36):
Your parents? I consumeorr a lot of
horror novels. True crime. That'that's my
jam.

>> John (11:42):
Absolutely.
So Gina, you've done a lot of investigations
recently. Do you want to talk about your
favorite investigation you've done so
far? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Recently.

>> Gina (11:53):
So I think recently we. Some of the
Girls, we went to Jasper, Florida and
we investigated the old Hamilton jail with our friends
at Paranormal 5 4, Eddie and Richard. And
what was really cool about this particular location is we
had the place to ourselves and we, we had it
for the weekend. We were only there for Saturday just

(12:13):
because of weather and all kinds of things. We couldn't spend more
time than that. And having this location
just pretty much for the whole day was just a really fun
way for us to explore. And I haven't done a jail
in a really long time. And jails are intense.
They are gnarly places. And you
know, as far as the experiences I've had at, ah,

(12:34):
jails, they've always been very memorable. But this
particular location, it was really cool because they
had, it was an old jail and on the first
floor they had quarters for the warden
and his wife. And upstairs there was
quarters for his children. And on that same level
there were women's cells. And then upstairs

(12:54):
there were a whole wing, a, large wing for
men. And so there was all different kinds of energy in
this place. We were picking up residual
energy that seemed to be coming from children in the children's
room. We were picking up some interesting activity in the
female cells. And then we had some intense energy
in solitary and some of the other jail cells.
But one of the most compelling things that happened at this

(13:17):
investigation, which was absolutely mind blowing to me
personally as an investigator, was we used
a, camera called an SLS camera. And if you've ever
watched the ghost shows, I know we all love them, we watch
them. This camera is the camera that has the little stick and dot
figures. So long story short, it's
basically like an Xbox component mapping, of
figures in the room. So it'll map you. It'll map, you know,

(13:40):
your movements. And the idea is it's picking up a
spirit moving around. And so in this particular
investigation, there were some investigators inside a jail
cell. I was outside the J cell with another person. We both
had SLS cameras. So we each had one.
And we both simultaneously picked up
what seemed to be a figure inside the jail cell,

(14:00):
taking and punching at, one of our investigators, like,
as if it was trying to keep her away from it. De and
we both picked up the same exact figure
doing the same exact movements. And I've never had that
happen before. And it was just, it was really cool to
experience. So I, as soon as we got back from
this investigation, I want to say like a week afterwards, one of the

(14:20):
guys in Paranormal 54 Eddie reached out to me
and Told me Sam and Colby just came and investigated
there. So now it's going to be the new hotspot. So it's a good thing we went
when we did because you know those guys, they investigate
somewhere and then everybody in the world knows about it. So I just feel
blessed that we got a chance to do it before it became like
overrun with influencers and Instagrammerss, you

(14:40):
know.

>> John (14:41):
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
And m. This is a message for actually a
question for both of you. Why do you think jails
continue to be like such a
hotspot that obviously asylums,
do you think? And just is just me from
interviewing all these paranormal investigators, it's because
of the pain and the suffering and that energy,

(15:03):
just negative energy, just goes and just goes
into the walls. Or do you guys have a totally different
theory?

>> Colleen (15:09):
I have a couple of ideas on that. I definitely think that
if there's a reason for spirit to linger, it's
mostly in my humble opinion, going to be trauma based or
pain based or unresolved or those
types of things. And think about what people who sit in jails
are. Many of them are probably guilty, but we all know
that some of them aren't. Right. So you might have

(15:29):
unresolved issues of. But I need
to prove that I was innocent. I need to prove something. I
need to. This isn't fair. I was wronged. And I think that type
of energy, if anything, would compel someone,
a spirit to linger. That's just my humble opinion. And
as far asane asylums, insane asylums go, I just think
that a fractured mind is gonna lead to maybe

(15:50):
a fractured afterife mind.

>> John (15:52):
Yeah. yeah. What do you think, Gina?

>> Gina (15:53):
Absolutely agree with that. I do think that when you're
thinking about intense emotion, whether
that's sadness, just, you know, it's somebody
who's angry, somebody who's dealing with mental
health issues, you know, unfinished business, all of
that wrapped up into a bow is what you're going to find in a jail.
And also as Colleen mentioned, you are going to have the people that

(16:13):
were basically convicted of crimes
unfairly. And as we all know back in the day
when before DNA evidence and
forensic exploration goes, there was a lot of people that were
probably were put into jail on false accusations.
So all of that emotion really does,
I think, become locked into places like that. and if you

(16:34):
go into the idea of stone tape theory
where certain materials can absorb energy
and become almost like, you know, a camera
in a way is as in it's a playing
a loop, a video Or a loop or of some kind
in that location. A lot of these energies are not
intelligent. Some of them are just residual.

(16:54):
But I found from my, you know,
exploration to jails is that you do get also a
lot of intelligent energy. And I think that's partly it. Just
my theory is because some people were just
so, you know, nasty in life, and
they're nasty in death, and they want to. They
want to inflict what they're feeling on other people

(17:14):
because they think, for whatever reason, you know, hey,
you guys hurt me, I'm gonna hurt you. And these people are
angry, and they lash out. And also, you know,
there's. That. There's the perpetual. Maybe somebody knew that they
were guilty. Maybe they felt like they deserved it, and maybe they think that
they should stay there because they think that they're.
They're not done serving their time. So I think there's a

(17:35):
lot of interesting ingredients in that melting
pot. But I would say one thing's for sure, if you have
an older jail, especially one, you know, from
the, Victorian age onward, you're probably going to
encounter something, you know, if you go and investigate.
But it's also one of those things. It could be dangerous
because you're around all that negative energy. You have to kind of

(17:56):
ground yourself and protect yourself, because that's. Those are the kind of
locations where you think somebody might follow you
home, you know?

>> John (18:02):
Absolutely.
So that leads me to my next question. So
the est. This method, to me, is a very
vulnerable way to talk to spirits. And this
is my opinion. Okay. I mean, you're
putting yourself out there, right? You're taking
away all these senses around you for the
most part. Right. And when you do it in a jail,

(18:23):
does that ever scare you guys? I
don't know. Colleen, did you do it? Or Gina, have you done it
before in jail? It doesn't. Don't you feel a little
scared about doing that, or you just.
I'm investigating. I need to just focus.

>> Gina (18:37):
I did one in the jail on this investigation.
And the reason why I actually stopped the session, because I
heard my maiden name spoken, and
my maiden name is very difficult to
say, and it's very long and
obnoxious Italian last name. And there's
no way in hell that that
name would come through a random radio station,

(19:00):
I'll tell you that. Especially in Jasper, Florida, because
that's where we were. And I heard my maiden name spoken
through the spirit box, which is a device that, you know, shifts
through radio stations at a rapid pace that creates white noise.
So I heard my. My maiden name very clear.
And as soon as I heard that, I stopped the session because that was too much
for me. It was definitely. It scared me. It

(19:21):
really did.

>> John (19:21):
Yeah. As well as it should. I mean, that's very
personal, right? It's a very personal thing to you.
And for that spirit entity,
whatever you want to say, to know that that's.
Wow, that's powerful, right?

>> Gina (19:34):
It was. It was. I went outside with one of
the guys in the other team, and we just went out there with sage,
and we were just using the sage and putting on
vishing oil, and we were
colleensing.

>> Colleen (19:46):
We had a party outside.

>> John (19:48):
Yeah, got.

>> Colleen (19:49):
He jumped in a lake.

>> John (19:51):
I mean, it was jumped in a lake. You guys tod her
down like she's. Enough, Enough.
All right, Colleen, same question to you.
Have you done an estus method where it just scared
you something really scary?

>> Colleen (20:03):
Yeah, I've never done one in a jail. I wasn't on the Jasper
trip, unfortunately, but.

>> John (20:08):
Okay.

>> Colleen (20:09):
I have done several times. The
scariest one. Do you want to hear just an experience
or. Because the one experience that I had
was terrifying. And I actually love to
do the SES Metod, I think, is just really
fun. I enjoy it. Yeah, I love it. I'm
happy to'crazy.

>> John (20:27):
M. But that's okay.

>> Colleen (20:28):
I know a lot of people are freaked out by it, but I love it.

>> John (20:31):
I am.

>> Colleen (20:31):
M. It's my favorite method. It's my favorite
investigation tool besides the sls. But I
was at. I was in Indiana at, the
Billy Creek property. I don't know if you're familiar with that.
It's been on several shows, Spirits investigated
there. And what it is, is it's kind of, if you ever.
You're from the Midwest, so you would know Greenfield

(20:51):
Village in Deerborn, Michigan, Right. Where it's a bunch of
old buildings that were brought to one property. That's kind of what Billy
Creek is like. And there's an old general store there and
a dentist shop and a, house
and whatever. Anyway, there's a church. There's an old, old
church there, and we did a session inside a
church. I'm not a very religious person, so the

(21:11):
church part didn't freak me out. But so I went under,
you know, had the headphones on, and I was sitting in the pews, and the
other people I was with, this is a team from Wisconsin that I was
talking about, they were nowhere near me. So, you know, I'm going
along, I'm hearing things and repeating what I say, and then I
Kept feeling something touching my shoulder. So
with my blindfold and my headphones, I kept going like, you know,

(21:32):
like, stop it. Who's touching me? Whatever. And thinking
that someone was right behind me and no one was near me. But
so things were coming through and then all of a sudden the. They
were random voices. But then suddenly it became a
consistent single voice. And whenever I start
to get the same voice with like it's a female, it's a, it's
a child or it's an adult or whenever it's the same one

(21:52):
coming through consistently, that's when I kind of pay
attention and I go, oh, this okay, this is not
just random radio dj, you know, this is. There's a voice
coming through consistently and that's what. I have goosebumps right now
talking about it because it starts. That's when I start to get
freaked out is when I hear the same voice. So I was hearing this one voice
and it started saying things like mother

(22:12):
and you know, gosh, I don't really remember, but just
very maternal. I felt a maternal presence,
but in a presence in anguish.
And suddenly I heard
the female voice say a word to me that I repeated and
immediately heard a powerful deep baritone
male voice go, no. Like that. And

(22:33):
I flew those headphones off my
right. I was like, I'm done, you know.

>> John (22:38):
Yeah.

>> Colleen (22:38):
And yeah, I have goosebumps talking about and that. It was almost
like there were. There was a female there and
then there was a man, maybe someone powerful in her
life, father, husband, who knows, and did not want her
talking and said, you know, like that's it.

>> John (22:52):
It's no.

>> Colleen (22:53):
And that. That's the scariest I've ever felt in an
eststus.

>> John (22:57):
Yeah, I didn't feel threatened.

>> Colleen (22:58):
I just felt, yeah. Unnerved for this poor woman. And
I actually had. I got teary eyed because I started
to feel viscerally sad for whoever that was.

>> John (23:06):
Yeah, yeah.
So that's again, every s. This session I
feel has an amazing story behind it. Here's two
of my favorite ones I'm going to tell you guys really quick. Sorry, I'mnn go off
a little tangent if that's okay. One of the things,
one of my female investigators on, one of
the people I interviewed, she was
listening and then nothing. Nothing.

(23:28):
And then out of the blue a voice said behind
you. And she went.
And she was likeus. She was just sitting. There was nothing. It was
nothing. She's about. She's kind of bored. In this
behind you voice, a man's Deep
voice. She went, nope.

>> Gina (23:44):
She.

>> John (23:45):
She said, I just. John. I went. Ran downstairs.
So I was like, gina. I was like, you know,
whatever. Give me more of that.
The other one. This is one of my favorite stories. A,
jail again, doing the est. This method.
Nothing. Nothing. Okay. And all of a sudden,
the woman gets up from this paranormal team,
and she sees this brick, and it's a loose brick. And

(24:07):
she takes out a loose brick, and behind it is
a comb. And she takes the comb, she. And
she's kind of sen. She's sensitive and she's feel. And she
goes, wow, there's something up with this cone. I'm
gonna put it back. And she puts the brick back in the comb back.
They listene later. They didn't get off the
estus. But it's kind of similar. It's an evp.

(24:27):
And this voice said, A man's voice said,
put the comb back, bitch. Clear as day.
And she played it me. She played it for
me later. I said, put the comb back, bitch.
Just like it.

>> Gina (24:40):
So scary.

>> John (24:41):
Yeah. And, you know, but if you think about it, in a jail, when we were
just talking about that there are that comb to
that person was everything, right?
We don't think about, like, we lose our comb or a brush and
we'like damn it, I lost my, I gotta buy a new one. I'll go
to wherever. That comb was their
life. They put all their energy into that

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comb, and I'm just like, that's really
emotional, right? For that person. And
obviously they felt they needed to attack.
Not attack, but you know what I mean? Say something kind of
negative towards, you know, the woman who was
investigating have gene, I'll start with you. Have you ever
had that. Anything really emotional
happened to you, whether good or bad, where maybe you started

(25:24):
crying or maybe you were just like, ooh, m.
That's. That's not good. I'm going toa get out of here.

>> Gina (25:29):
So I did have one time where I got
emotional and I didn't. It came over me very, very
suddenly. I was. The location
is this place in Portt St. Lucie, Florida, and
it's called the Devil's Tree. And a little background on it
is there was a serial killer.
His name was Gerard John Shaffer. He's very like.
I feel like most people have never heard of him, even though he was a very prolific

(25:52):
serial killer. but he was a sheriff for. I believe it
was the Martin County Sheriff's office in Martin
County. And what he was doing was he was picking up young women
who were hitchhiking in the 1970s, which was. It was
a very popular time to hitchhike. And these young women would see
a police officer and they would say, oh, great, I can get
a safe ride home tonight. And he would pick up these women

(26:13):
and he would take them to the tree and he would, you know, do
terrible things. So this particular
location was actually cited when
he was discovered and the police actually
went out and investigated. It was the last known
site where he, you know, did terrible things.
So it's a popular place in Florida for ghost hunters

(26:33):
to go. People go all the time. I went with a group of
people and my. This is my experience. I'm
not sure if it was my first or second time there that I don't remember because I've been a
few times. But I was doing the SS session where
I had headphones on. Now, mind you, it's the middle of the
woods. There's not a whole lot of radio
anything out there.

>> Colleen (26:51):
So.

>> Gina (26:51):
But I was using a spirit box which does cycle
through stations. It's mostly white noise because you're not.
You're not just not picking up much in the way of AM or
fm. So I'm listening to mostly white noise. I was sitting
there and I start hearing what sounds
like female screaming.
And the thing is, for any skeptic who's
never tried this experiment and thinks that this is all just bunch

(27:14):
Bs, basically all you're doing is listening to a
modified radio. It's a modified radio and
it's cycling through regular radio stations. The
only thing that's paranormal is if you hear a word or phrase that
stretches across multiple stations, because that's
not something that would normally happen.
So if in my case, I was hearing
women screaming across

(27:36):
several stations and I don't know what
happened, but I just immediately, I just started
crying and I had to stop. And the girls that I was
with at the time, they were filming me, and I asked them, you know, please, like,
we got to stop. Don't. I don't want to film this because
it's's not something I want to share with
the world, you know, what's going on? And I.

(27:57):
After that happened, I. You know, I stayed with everybody because I was with
a group, but I was just. I was off.
I was done. I didn't really want to do any more investigating because
to me, I somehow tapped into some residual,
maybe energy or a residual sound. And
I'm in a place where people lost their
lives. So to me, hearing something like that was
a very viscerally kind of response,

(28:20):
an emotional response to hearing someone
screaming and knowing that I can't do anything to help them. I don't
claim I have psychic hoursers. I don't. I don't know how to
move someone on. I'm just here as a researcher to study
and to document and to share and
to push the field forward. I can't do any.
Anything profound like help a spir. So
I felt a little helpless in addition to feeling

(28:42):
that emotional weight. So it was very interesting. And I've been back
there several times, and I've never experienced anything like that
again. So it's just. It's one of those things know,
it's one of the things that you have to expect with investigating is
sometimes you might tap into something that's a little tough.

>> John (28:57):
Yeah.

>> Colleen (28:58):
And I would just add, again, I wasn't there, but I would just
add that that's one of those situations when you feel that kind of
sadness, like I was talking about in the church, is that
you really hope it is just a residual or
stone tape. You really hope that. That you're just hearing a
replay and that's not
an actual still, you know,
intelligent scream. And that. That's really upsetting. It's

(29:20):
hard to handle.

>> John (29:21):
Right.
So, Colleen, I ask you this. You kind of talked what
Gina was. She was talking about, you know, her
experience getting emotional. But have you ever had an
experience where you thought you brought something home with you?

>> Colleen (29:34):
I don't think I have. I don't think I have.

>> John (29:36):
But it's right behind you. No, just kidd.
It's a. Look. Guys, look out
all.

>> Colleen (29:44):
Oh, my God. You just. You just jinxed me. Because the next time I
investigate, I'm for sure getting something.

>> John (29:49):
I'GONNA get it now.

>> Colleen (29:50):
You'ren okay, so here. The truth is, I don't. I don't think
so. But I have a couple of answers for that. Number one,
I would never investigate in my own home.
So I have nosolutely. I don't feel
that anything is in my home. My home feels like a safe place for
me, and it is my sanctuary. So I've never. I have
had a couple of weird things happen, but I also

(30:11):
have. I kind of. I treat my house like a living thing, and
I. When. Like when I go on vacation, I say goodbye to it and I say, okay,
take care of the kitties for me. We'll be home soon. Like, I actually treat my house
like a living thing. And I
manifest safety and security in my home. So I've Never really
felt that. But I will say that I also
strongly believe that anybody, especially anybody listening to this
podcast who is interested in trying

(30:34):
investigating or whatever. I, think it's important to set
your intention when you start and then to kind of close
it when you're done. I don't. I don't mean that I don't claim to be
psychic either. I don't have any power to open portals and close
portals, but I fully believe in
that. We set our intention about what we want to experience in life.
And so just our most recent night, at the New

(30:54):
River Inn, where our team, that's kind of our team's home base,
we had. We had some guests with us and we did some investigating, had
a great night, lots of cool experiences. And then towards the end
of the night, we kind of all got together and just
quickly said a little, okay, thank you so
much for, you know, we had a great time tonight, guys, and
whoever's here. But, we just want to let you know that this is now

(31:14):
we're done for the night. We don't invite you home with us. We're, you
know, we're going to leave now, and, until next time, you
know, whatever. And I know it sounds kind of hokey, but I
believe that if you set your intention and you say no, thisso you
are not welcome to come with me d then you'll be fine.

>> John (31:28):
Yeah, absolutely. And that's funny. Like, all
paranormal investigators I have interviewed,
they all say the same thing. Like, you got to treat them like they're people.
Like, how would you mean? Imagine you're sitting at
home and some people come in your. Your
house, and you're like, what. What the hell, man?
You know, what are you doing here? I'm just trying
to watch a football game or something. You

(31:51):
get out, like. But if you come in and be like,
hey, you know, I'm here. I respect you. If you want us
to leave, we will leave. You knowever. How have
you guys handle it? So let me ask you this
to u. Gina, what do you think makes
a great investigation? Have you
ever had a great investigation?

>> Gina (32:11):
So I think what makes a great investigation is,
first off, everybody that you're with has to be on.
You have to be in a good mood. Because if somebody is
cranky or somebody's feeling away, it does
affect the energy of the room. It can affect
the interactions that you have. So I think everybody being in a good
mood and being positive is a really good

(32:31):
first start. And for me, I prefer
investigations to have did evidence when it comes
to capturing results. So for me,
I don't want to just see a flashlight go on. I don't want to just
hear a you know, maybe, maybe, maybe not a voice on an
EVP or spirit box. But I want all of
those things. And if there is an investigation

(32:51):
where we can clock activity on an EMF
reader, we can clock information on spirit box, we
can clock up, you know, an EM M, an
EVP on our recorder, we can clock the flashlight going
off by itself or on by itself. You know, if you
can clock a few things, to me that's a win
because just one or two
experiments could be not paranormal. You

(33:14):
can explain it away, but it's when you start adding all of those things
together in an intelligent way. So if
you, you know, if you're you're just sitting around and all of a sudden your
REM pod starts beeping, you know that something's nearby it
and nobody's buy it. Maybe that might just be, you know,
electromagnetic energy around it. It might not be a spirit.
But if you ask, hey, can you go touch the REM

(33:34):
pod? And then something touches the REM pod,
that to me is a cool
investigation, right? So I, you know, I don't have. I go
into every investigation with the expectation that I
might not get any results at all. But I hope I'm
hopeful. And when a few of those things happen, I am
the happiest, you know, one out. I am just

(33:55):
so. I'm just excited when, whenever I'a little kid on
Christmas, whenever something goes off.

>> John (33:59):
I know, I know light up, you know, because I've seen some of
investing with you guys are just literally like
joyful, like oh my God, there's a voice
or someone tug my, you know,
or whatever. That's so awesome.
You mentioned something I thought was really interesting. Do you
feel ghosts can feel when you're like sick and
you just had a. Let's say you had a bad day at work and you're like,

(34:22):
o man, I promised the team. I can't let them
down. I had a shitty day at work. But you
know what? I'm going. Or do you just go, guys,
I had a shitty day at work. I don't mean to let you down.
We can't do this. There's going to be a crappy investigation.

>> Gina (34:37):
Do you think that negative energy can
absolutely change the vibe of a room?
Because I do think, and this is just my opinion, I
do think that there is a connection between spiritual
energy and our Energy?

>> John (34:49):
Yeah.

>> Gina (34:50):
If, you know, we talk about, you know, having an aura,
having an energy around you, and your aura can always change.
I've actually a couple times I went and I had for a photography done. And
sometimes I'm purple, sometimes I'm red, sometimes I'm orange.
You know, it just depends on what's going on in your life, the energy that you're
putting out. And I just think that there has to be a correlation
with your energy level when you walk into a room, because

(35:10):
something is picking up on that. And maybe if you
walk into that room with a clean slate, with, a
clear mind and open mind and open heart, you might
get more of a response because the spir feels comfortable with you.
But if you're feeling aggressive because you were just cut off in traffic,
you're yelling at somebody on the phone, your boss just put you in a
bad mood, and then you show up on an investigation, well, now you're all

(35:31):
riled up. And I think other people can pick
up on that, and I think spirits can pick up on that. I've
personally been on many investigations with people
that, you know, I no longer investigate with that were
extremely aggressive and nasty. And that
kind of energy in the room affects other people.
And I think that it can also be, you know, something
that can change the way your results happen, you know,

(35:53):
because spirits might be like, oh, I don't want to be around that person
because they're terr.

>> John (35:58):
Ablute.

>> Gina (35:58):
I think that's, you know, it's an interesting correlation.
Ye thoughts on it?

>> Colleen (36:03):
No, I couldn't agree with that more. And just speaking of the
whole, aggressive style of investigating,
you know, the challenging. I'm here. Come here, spirits.
Talk to me, you know, in this aggressive way. If
anyone's gonna get, an angry, pissed off ghost
following them home, it's going toa be someone who does that. Like,
we, you know, that's just. That's wackadoo. And

(36:23):
that's what our, you know, our team is. One of the things that really
impressed me with was why I happily accepted
the invite to join the team. Was that Gina
and, one of our other team. I mean, all of the team members. Members are
wonderful, but there's Heidi is. She's like.
She's like a sweet little kitten. And she's so
sweet. I mean, she has a sharp edge to her too, and that I

(36:43):
love. She's a pushover,
but she's just like the kindest person I've ever
met. And, she. Anytime we get a
Response on any equipment. She's the first one to go.
Thank you. Like, she's so respectful and
thank you. And we don't want to bother you and we're just here if we want
to know, if you want to chat and if you want us to go, then, you

(37:03):
know, let us know. And I just love that attitude. I think
we get. You get better experiences that way.

>> John (37:08):
Yeah.
So, Colleen, what do you think makes a good team member?
Because you guys have been talking, you know, about some team members, it just
didn't work out and you know. But what do
you think makes a good team member?

>> Colleen (37:20):
Well, I can only speak from experience, having investigated
with two actual teams. The team in Wisconsin,
who are some of my dearest friends, and now afterlife, which
I'm now joyously a member of. But in
both situations, I will say the common denominator
is that what we were just talking about, that people are
respectful. They're respectful of not just any

(37:40):
potential spirits that could be present. Because we don't walk
into every location. And banam, there's ghosts
floating around everywhere. It doesn't work that way. There have been plenty of times
where you go somewhere and nothing's really happening and it's
okay. but, but I find that,
that the common denominator for having the best experiences on a
team is you got toa have people that are respectful of
whatever spirits that could be there, respectful of

(38:03):
the location. Because you can't walk
into an insane asylum and start acting like a jackass and
making fun of wheelch and playing around in the
wheelchairs and with the medical equipment, because that's
so gross. These were people that, needed these
equipment and needed these doctors and facilities. So
you wouldn't do that. You wouldn't walk into a hospital and modern

(38:23):
day hospital and act like that. So why would you do that in.
In a decrepit, old abandoned hospital, you.

>> Gina (38:29):
Know what I'm saying?

>> Colleen (38:29):
To treat every the locations the way you
treat real everyday locations in life. And
what was the third thing? Oh, the third thing is you got to
make time to get together afterwards and have a beer and get to know each other.
Because it's like you got to love each other. And I just love
this group so much. And I think you just got have fun.

>> John (38:47):
Yeah. Well, if I ever go investing, investigating
with you guys as a guest invest, I'm gonna run in with air
horns.
You guys can be like, John, no,
stop it.

>> Colleen (39:00):
That's when Heidi, the sweet one will come out, the tiger comes
out and she'll Shut it down right away.

>> John (39:06):
So one thing I, think what's maybe more
to female investigators than male investigators
is a lot of these places that you go in. Let's say you
go into a house or an asylum,
a jail. Cause there were kids in jail or
young people in jail. Do you. I think, and I've heard
this from female investigators, that they
sometimes feel like the spirit

(39:29):
wants to look at you like a mother or a,
former love interest, if you want to say
girlfriend, I guess, is better, or wife. Have you
ever experienced anything like that? When you've been somewhere where it's
just been like. It's just. There's
something weird about this area. And I feel like
something's trying to, like, tell me something or

(39:49):
attach themselves to me or anything like that.

>> Gina (39:51):
Well, I had one. this was a few years back. I want to say it was
2017 or 2016. And
I was with my husband, and we were in New Orleans. It was
my first time in New Orleans. And we were
investigating of, you know, we were going around and, you know, checking out a
bunch of different places. And I had read up that there
was a hotel, and in this particular

(40:12):
hotel, there was a floor that was known to be
haunted by the spirit of a little boy. And
according to what I read online, this little boy,
his parents were partying downstairs in
the bar, and nobody was watching him, and
he was really sick, and he passed, and
he's wandering the halls looking for his parents. So

(40:32):
I, you know, my husband, God bless him, he humors me with
everything I want to do with this kind of stuff. So I. All
I had with me at the time, because we were, you know, just on vacation, I had
an EMF reader. That's all I had in. And
I just said, look, just humor me. Let's just walk slowly up and
down. Let's pretend like we're looking for someone's room. You know,
let's just see what we see. So, you know, we were holding

(40:52):
hands, and I had, you know, my EMF reader, and I
wasn't getting anything. You know, my husband said, oh, why don't you
hand it to me? I'll hold the emfator for a minute and you see if you get
anything, you know, maybe hold your hand out. You know, I said, yeah, I'll
hold my hand out. And I did it kind of instinctively because
at the time, my niece was really little. So I kind of put my
hand down as if I was reaching down to touch my

(41:13):
niece's hand, and I felt what kind of Felt
like a cold, just a quick little bit of burst of
air. And right at that same time, because he's holding the
EMF out in front of him, it lit up.
So I felt this kind of draft around
my hand. And the EMF in his hand lit up
because he had it holding in front of him his left hand. And

(41:33):
I don't know, maybe it was paranormal, maybe it wasn't, but it kind
of. It felt to me the right height, like if it
was a little kid. And maybe just because I was, you
know, holding my hand out and I was, you know, asking
questions as we were walking, you know, is there any, any little boy
here? Is there any, you know, and maybe, maybe that was
paranormal, but I don't know. But I have kind of felt that.

(41:54):
We've gotten, on a lot of investigations. We do get a lot
of children that come through, and I think that
might be because a lot of the. Our team members are women, and
women do seem maybe less intimidating than men
sometimes.

>> John (42:06):
Right.

>> Gina (42:07):
So, you know, in a schoolhouse, we get a lot of that.
One of the locations that we normally do, it's called the King from
Marty House, there's a room that is home to a little
girl, and we get a lot of activity in that room. So I
think it might be something to do with the connection between, you
know, women and children.

>> John (42:22):
Exactly, exactly. And Colleen, have you,
have you ever, if you haven't felt that, have you ever felt
like it's necessary? Maybe you go to.
You guys are doing a house and you found out, you know,
like, kids died in this house. Collein, do you
ever feel like coming in there and be like, I'm not your mom,
but I'm here to like, you know what I'm saying?

>> Colleen (42:43):
Like, yeah, I.

>> John (42:44):
Okay.

>> Colleen (42:45):
I've never. Well, I was about to say I've never really
investigated in places that are notoriously known for having
child spirits. Although that's absolutely not true because we've
gone to the. The Davies, the school and Davy. Gina. I
forget what it's called.

>> Gina (42:58):
Old Davy School.

>> Colleen (42:59):
Yeah, the old, Old Davey School. And and also
we have an old schoolhouse on the property at the new
river end that we go in. I would be more than happy to
have. I've never personally experienced a child spirit,
but I would be more than happy to be a
maternal figure for a child because I wouldn't feel scared. I
don't think children are scary. And I, you know, I would.
I would way rather be a comforting force for a child spirit than,

(43:22):
than an adult spirit. And then. And you know,
back to the maternal thing or the just being a woman
investigator. I think it's an advantage for sure
because I had. We. I investigated,
another location, Indiana. Do you have time to hear a quick
story?

>> John (43:37):
That's ok. Go aheadk.

>> Colleen (43:38):
So I was at the Whispers estate in
Indiana. And it's basically like,
now it's kind of closed off. I don't even know if it's a museum at this point.
I think it's exclusively used for
paranormal investigations. And because we spent the night there and
we did an unusual Estes method,
but not with a radio Skipper. It was just

(43:58):
a blindfold. And the flashing lights
in the person's eyes was. Who was under. Not. Sorry, not a
blindfold, but the glasses with the red pulsing lights
in there and the noise canceling headphones. So no
radio frequency was coming in. So basically the idea was
just to channel what. What comes to your mind, what images you see
and whatever. You're not hearing anything. So we were

(44:19):
investigating and there was a, The house had been owned by a doctor
who performed all kinds of medical procedures and surgeries.
And a lot of people died in this house and.
But one of the unfortunate situations was his wife
also died. She died of some horrible disease
at the turn of the century. And he was so
distraught. He nursed her as long as he could. Then she

(44:39):
passed and he ended up going insane and being committed
and being a threat. They said he was a danger to. To
commit homicide, etc. So he got locked away
and he was a hot mess. And we believe that we
were channeling him. I was not the person under, but I
was the person asking the questions. I had done the research,
so I was asking the questions. And we're in the dark room and

(45:00):
the person who was under was starting to get
aggressive. And as we were asking these questions, we were trying
to lower the temperature because this person who was
a man, the gentleman who was doing the. I don't want to say his name, but
he, was a man and he was doing. He was the one under. And he was getting
aggressive. His responses were getting very aggressive. And it dawned
on me. He lost his wife. He's probably

(45:21):
in massive pain. If this is not residual and if we're talking
to an intelligent spirit right now, which I got the sense we were.
He needs the temperature to come down. So I shifted
my. My strategy completely and I
started instead of asking him all these questions about what surgeries did you do
here and who died here and all this stuff. I just took a breath
and I said, you loved your wife a lot, didn't you?

(45:41):
And you took really good care of her, and she loved you so much,
and you were there for her. You. I just almost like a therapy
session, which sounds crazy, but it
really worked. And after
that, that the temperature came down in the
room. Everyone was calmer. And then the responses
we got were. We started getting real answers

(46:01):
to our questions. Like actual. They made
sense. It wasn't random words, and
I'm not super spiritual and all that, but I
believe that this person was suffering, and he
needed a woman to say, I'm
sorry you lost your wife, and you took good care of her, and you did
the best you could. And then he was willing to talk to us.
That sounds crazy, but that's my.

>> John (46:23):
No, no.

>> Gina (46:23):
Love that.

>> John (46:24):
I love that. That's awesome. That's. That's the
whole point. I feel not only to get
what you guys do, but something like that,
where maybe a, spirit who is gonna be
malicious, maybe a woman shows up, or the spirit
scratches her or pushes her or
bruises her. You know, people can have negative views.
Like, I'm not going in there. List are the men in there. You know what

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I mean? But. And that shouldn't be that way.
But let me ask you this, Gina. Have you
ever had someone come to you about
investigating something, and you said, nope,
I'm notnna do that. For whatever reason, you know,
I haven't.

>> Gina (47:01):
Really had anyone ask me for a specific
place that I turned down. But there were. There are
certain locations that I would never investigate.

>> John (47:09):
Okay.

>> Gina (47:10):
And I'd say that it's not around anymore,
but the one place that I would never go would be Bobby
Mackey's music world, and it was recently demolished.
Yeah, but why? that. There's just so
much when it comes to stories that you
hear personal stories of people that have investigated there, that have
had horrific things happen. And I
understand that there's a lot of sensationalism around that location,

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because ghost adventures did do several
investigations there. However, there are a lot
of other people that are not ghost adventures that
have stories that involve
violence, that involve getting scratched, getting pushed,
getting followed home, getting really freaked out because
something is in their house after they went there. There was. I want
to say I saw a special, and there was a. Like, a priest talking about

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it. And it just. It just seemed a little too dark for
me and for. Everyone's different when it comes to exploring the
paranormal. I am, of course, interested in all of it.
I'll watch it From a safe distance. But I don't want to be involved in a
location where people are getting hurt constantly. And I
don't want to be involved in a location that has
really dark intentions. You know, it doesn't seem

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like anybody there wants to be helped. It doesn't seem like
anybody there wanted to interact in a positive
way. I think that whatever was there just wanted to be left
alone. And by going in there, you were just poking a
stick at, you know, something in the dark that had
big teeth and things like that I don't really have
any interest in. I would say, you know, when I'm
looking to investigate a place, I'm open minded to jails,

(48:38):
I'm open minded to asylum, mind to all
that. But I'm not going to go into a place that
every experience is just horrific. I just, you
know. Yeah, I'm not.

>> John (48:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Colleen, do
you kind of feel the same way on that? Would you back up, Gina,
if, someone like you came to you with this and you'd be
like, no, thanks.

>> Colleen (48:59):
100%, I would back her up on that. I agree. I
don't. I don't feel threatened a lot
when I investigate, but I think that's probably because
I've had the fortune of investigating
places that were really fun and had. And had good
energies. I mean, other than the Whispers estate, which I
had. Mean, I could spend an hour telling you some crazy stuff
that went on there, but. But it didn't feel evil. Nothing. You

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know, but if there was a place that did have a history of, you
know, oh, the ladies get grabbed here or the Da. Da.

>> Gina (49:28):
da.

>> Colleen (49:28):
I don't. If I want to go and get scared and
be spooked, then I'll go to Halloween horror nights.
Yeah, I mean, like, I don't
go investigating because I want to get scared. I go
investigating because I want to know what happens when
our last heartbeat goes.

>> John (49:44):
So.
So what I'm really curious though. You know, on YouTube, it's all
about clicks and blah, blah, blah. Like, what do
you think of these paranormal investigators who do
that? Like, you know, though, we're going, oh, there's a
satanic symbol on the ground. Oh, this is where they
killed a bunch of cats and dogs. Do you ever look at those
and go, come on, man? Like, what are you doing?

>> Gina (50:04):
yes, it's cringey. It's real cringey.

>> Colleen (50:07):
I think it's cringey. And yeah, I agree. And I find
it insulting. I find it insulting to the
spirits, and I find it insulting to the viewers,
you know, that it is. It makes a mockery of the
whole. The whole world of paranormal
investigations, I think.

>> John (50:22):
Absolutely.

>> Colleen (50:24):
And yeah, don't. I just don't go for that. But
also the whole concept of demon. Like, there are some shows on there.
I don't know if I should mention names, but I know you know who I'm talking
about. There are some paranormal shows where they see demons
everywhere, right?

>> John (50:37):
Yeah.

>> Colleen (50:37):
Oh, there's a demon, there's a portal, there's a demon, there's a
devil, There's. It's satanic, It's. And I'm like, guys,
number one, that's a religious construct. So, you know,
long before the churches even existed, there were
spirits. So let's not call everything a demon, you know?

>> John (50:51):
Yeah.

>> Gina (50:52):
And I just.

>> Colleen (50:52):
I think it's all sensational, and it just makes a mockery of the whole.
The whole.

>> Gina (50:56):
Huh?

>> John (50:56):
Yeah. Right. And. And that must bug you as a
paranormal investigators trying to do professional. Trying to help
trying to get something out of it than just
whatever they're trying to get out of it. And, you know, I watch
these, and it. What makes it worse is when they fake
it. You know what I mean? Like, they have their buddy
in a mask running around, and you're like, that's

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your friend. Like. Right. Like, why
just say it's for entertainment purposes? Right?

>> Colleen (51:21):
Yeah. Like, if you just want watch it for entertainment.

>> John (51:24):
Yeah. This for entertainment. This is where we're
not really doing this. Right. That's
crazy.
So before we get to our little game here,
one thing that I've argued with all my
paranormal investigators is orbs. I
do not believe in orbs. I think orbs are
just. Okay, so, Gina, orbs,

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what's your're feeling about orbs?

>> Gina (51:46):
So my feeling is about orbs Is I think
95% of them are just
either humidity or dust particles. However, I have seen
some very compelling videos where
orbs of light can develop out of nowhere
on, let's say, like a security footage
camera. And, you know,

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I can't explain that. I think that most
of orbs can be explained by dust or, you know, a lot of people
catch them in cemeteries, and what they don't realize is there's a lot of
humidity in cemeteries. So when you're taking
pictures, most cameras, especially with flash on,
will be reflective off of the moisture, and that's
creating most of the orbs. But I'm talking about. I've seen
some videos, especially on that show. I don't know if you've seen it, but it's called

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a Paranormal Caught on Camera.

>> John (52:32):
Yes.

>> Gina (52:32):
And the premise basically, for anybody who hasn't seen it,
is it's the idea is everybody has a phone in their pocket,
everybody has a dash cam. A lot of people have ring cams. A
lot of people have security in their homes for whatever reason,
inside their houses. And some videos
surfaced where, you know, it'll just be someone's,
you know, dark living room at 3 in the morning.

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And then all of a sudden, in the middle of the cameras, you
know, path, you see a light develop and
just float around for a minute and then just disappear. Yeah,
I don't, I can't explain that. So I don't want to say
every orb is B's, but I think that what. Unfortunately,
a lot of people get overly excited about
orbs and it's immediately jumps to, that's

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paranormal.

>> John (53:14):
Yeah.

>> Gina (53:15):
But I think, I think a lot of it can be used.

>> John (53:17):
Yeah. And Colleen, you kind of feel the same way about that.

>> Colleen (53:20):
I'm not a big fan of orbs only because,
well, orbs caught on cameras. Because there are so
many things about cameras and,
you know, technology that can
create things. I'm going to agree with Gina
that there probably is a small percentage of things
we just can'explain. So I'm not going to say 100%

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orbs are all fake. But, I'm. I would be more
likely to buy it if I saw it with my
eyes. You know, when we see things with our own
eyeballs, I'm far more likely to go, oh, yeah,
okay, that, you know, but stuff on cameras. And
speaking of humidity, we live here in South Florida, which we
basically invented humidity. Like, it's our, it's our
dam here.

>> John (54:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

>> Colleen (54:01):
I mean, I'm sweating right now in my house with air conditioning on, you
know. Yeah. So there's a lot of things. Yeah, that's my thoughts
on.

>> John (54:08):
Absolutely. And you know, it's really hard
to say to like, like a wisp.
Like, you know, like sometimes fog will come in in
a cemetery and, and kind of float along. And then some people be like,
oh, that's a spirit. And then you're like, well, it's really humid and,
you know, it's early morning. But then again, there have been
some that have taken shape. And you're like, Right.

(54:28):
But the whole point, what you guys are doing is
to look at it, right. Not maybe debunk
it, but at least get some type of evidence behind it
before you go out and put it out there, right?

>> Gina (54:39):
Absolutely. Yeah. You have to have credibility.

>> John (54:42):
Yeah, absolutely.

>> Colleen (54:43):
And that's what I love about being on this team, because Gina is
the whole team really. But Gina'really good about things will
start happening for us. Flashlights will go on or rem podss will go
on. And Gina will be the first one to say,
yeah, but I think, I think that was this or I think that was
that, you know, and so I have respect
for this team because we don't. We don't just all walk around the dark and go.

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There's go everywhere.

>> John (55:05):
There's one, there's one o, there's another.
So speaking of that, let's see
how well you know each other on this
team. So I, based this off the Newlywed
game. Basically you ask people on,
you know, usually with a husband and wife, and you ask, hey, who does this
with. But I'm gonna do this for the team. Okay.
So the team member is not here.

(55:28):
Please just say something. So when they listen to it later,
then you can comment and be like, oh, that's wrong. I don't
do that.
So first question. Who is
more likely to pull a
prank during investigation?

>> Gina (55:42):
I'GONNA go with Sasha for sure.

>> Colleen (55:45):
Sasha. Yeah.

>> John (55:47):
And why, why Sasha?

>> Gina (55:48):
because she's a little bit of a goofball.

>> Colleen (55:50):
She's a, she's a walking comedy troupe.
All in, you know? Yeah. In a good way. In
a way. Yeah, yeah, it's very funny. Yeah, yeah.

>> John (55:59):
Awesome. Good. Okay. Maybe you've
already done this, so that's fine. You can just tell the person.
So if you saw a full, or I should
say someone on your team saw a full
body apparition, who would be the
first to try to communicate with it?

>> Colleen (56:17):
Heidi, maybe?

>> Gina (56:18):
Yeah, I think maybe Heidi.

>> John (56:19):
Why?

>> Gina (56:20):
Because I have a fight or flight
response of freezing. So I'm just gonna freeze and
I'm just gonna stare at it. And. And I might not be the first
one to ask a question. I think she's very
comm and collected and she would be the first one to
take a deep breath, collect herself and be able
to just hop right back into the questions and,

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you know, investigating. And I think some of us would
probably run. I think I would scream at the top of my lungs
if Rael Rachel might
run. I would freeze and just stare, stand there and
probably get killed. I don't know.

>> Colleen (56:53):
Yeah, I'll murdered.

>> Gina (56:55):
Yeah, just get murdered.

>> Colleen (56:56):
Push Gina in front of me
and then I just have to be faster than Gina.

>> Gina (57:01):
Yeaheah.

>> John (57:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What a team. Boy, the other team members
gonna hear this. And be like, should reconsider.
Okay, here's a fun one for you, which I'm
gonna just you two. Which one of you
two would be most likely to
survive a zombie apocalypse?
Whoa, Colleen. Gina, you gonna

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take that?

>> Gina (57:23):
I think she probably would survive.

>> Colleen (57:25):
I think.

>> Gina (57:25):
I think I would just, like, lose it. I would break
down into some weird, you know,
I would just.

>> Colleen (57:34):
I'm on the zombie outbreakeak response
team.

>> Gina (57:38):
How could I even compete with that? I can't even compete
with Gina.

>> John (57:41):
You're.

>> Gina (57:42):
No, I'm done.

>> John (57:44):
Yeah, you're done.

>> Colleen (57:45):
I earned that badge.

>> Gina (57:46):
Okay. All right, you win.

>> John (57:48):
You win. Colleen.

>> Colleen (57:49):
No, I think Gina would do. I think she would be one of the. I
might survive ahead of her, but she'd be really close behind me.

>> Gina (57:55):
I might make it like a day or two. Yeah, maybe not like the
first mob, but I'm not gonna. I don't know. I
think about this often, actually.

>> John (58:03):
So Colleen, poor Gina turns into a
zombie and she's gonna eat you. Do you blow her head off
or what do you do?

>> Colleen (58:13):
I don't like guns. I don't like guns.

>> John (58:15):
Well, you stab a knife right through her head.

>> Colleen (58:18):
Yeah, I'm thinking my weapon of choice would be like a
baseball bat with nails in it. Like a mace.
Yeah, I'm gonna mace her head.

>> John (58:25):
Wow, Gina.

>> Gina (58:26):
There you go. You heard it first, everybody.

>> Colleen (58:28):
I love you.

>> John (58:29):
I love you, girl.

>> Gina (58:31):
If you turn into a zombie, I'll b you back.
Soah.

>> Colleen (58:34):
I asked. Nothing less.

>> Gina (58:36):
Feeling is mutual.

>> John (58:37):
That's love.
So let me ask you this. Now here's another fun one.
Who's more likely to burst into
laughter during an investigation? It could be
the whole team. Or Colleen, I guess.
Who'snna laugh first during an investigation?

>> Gina (58:52):
I think it's probably Sasha.

>> John (58:53):
Why?

>> Colleen (58:54):
I think it'snna be Sasha. But if it's between me and Gina, it's
probably me. Yeah, yeah, because
Gina'gina takes it seriously. She's a
serious investigator.

>> Gina (59:02):
And I get into the mode, you know, I just.

>> Colleen (59:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like that.

>> John (59:07):
Okay, that's good. Honest. See? All right, who's more
addicted to their phone during investigation?
Who's more like, you know, nobody think.

>> Gina (59:15):
Anybody'S really on their phones unless they're recording. Could we all put our
phones on airplane mode? We're not even, no texting or anything.

>> John (59:20):
Nice.

>> Colleen (59:21):
We don't want any tech and interference, so we're pretty good about
that.

>> John (59:24):
Nice. Okay, so
this might hurt some people's feelings, but we just
gotta do it.
What is your pet peeve
on an investigation. Like you talk
about anybody, especially the people who aren't here. What's your
pet peeve that somebody does on an investigation that you're like.
You stop that.

>> Colleen (59:44):
You want me to go first, Tina?

>> Gina (59:46):
Yeah, you can go first.

>> Colleen (59:47):
Okay. I have one, I have one. Locked and
loaded.
All right. my biggest pet pet peeve is when
we're trying to get some. I don't just mean during, like an
EVP session, but like when we're trying to just get some
responses and someone is talking too much
and, and respond.

>> Gina (01:00:02):
Yeah, same. Yeah, same.

>> Colleen (01:00:05):
Like, zip it. Like, let's just. And
listen and get a feel for the room and. Yeah,
talking too much during, during investigation drives me
crazy.

>> Gina (01:00:14):
It's just a lot of people don't realize that don't do it as much as we
do that. You know, if you're on, a four hour
investigation, three and a half of those hours should be very quiet.
And you have time in the beginning, you know,
time at the end. And like, of course, when you're setting up and
breaking down, you know, there's time to talk and banter and have good
time. But if you're trying to do

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any sort of experimenting, you have to be quiet. And,
and I think it's, it's difficult for some people and
it's frustrating when you're, when you're locked in
and you're in the zone and someone else is just
buzzing and they, they can't lock in with you.
Yeah, it's, it just, it is a little bit of a pet.

>> John (01:00:50):
Ah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I totally agree. I totally
agree.
Now this one's for you two, this last one.
Which one of you is the party animal
up.

>> Colleen (01:00:59):
Gina. Gina.

>> Gina (01:01:01):
I'm the party animal.

>> Colleen (01:01:02):
Yeah, I mean, I'm a party animal too, but
Gina. Gina. if you look at her, if you look at she.
Han's Instagram, that's the girl you want to go to
any concert with. Any, any party town.
You want to go on a cruise with Gina.

>> Gina (01:01:17):
Yeah, I'm running around
weekends. Yeah, I'm, somewhere different
every weekend.

>> John (01:01:24):
So that's why the spirits like you. So if
you go into a party atmosphere, you can be like,
woooo.

>> Gina (01:01:31):
Exactly. You gotta have to bring the vibe, you know?

>> John (01:01:34):
All right, so I hope you like those questions. I just got one
more question. And then before we wrap it up here, Gene,
I'll start with you. Let's say I'm a multi
billionaire. Let's just say I, am. And I do this for Fun.
And I said to Eugeina, here's a blank cheat
you can investigate anywhere in the world.
You can have my jets. You and your husband can go

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and have some fun. Where you
going? Where are you gonna investigate?

>> Gina (01:01:59):
I don't even need to hesitate for this one. And I need
that blank check. So I want to go.
I'm ready, baby. Okay. I want to go to
Chillingham Castle in England.

>> John (01:02:11):
Okay.

>> Gina (01:02:12):
And just a quick, you know, little. Little quick
historic, cliff note on that place.
Basically, it's a castle that was occupied
by several different families over the years. It's all.
It'has some sort of. Some sort of portal
very close by that opened up, like, the
ground opened up. And people claimed back in the day that
devils and all sorts of things were coming out of the ground. And it was

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occupied by several different medieval and, you
know, families that were living in this place. It has one of
those ouletstes, those. Those little towers. And what they
would do is they would. In the back of the chapel, they would throw
people down this. I'm saying that. I'm not sure if I'm saying that right
abuet.

>> John (01:02:50):
I. Yeah.

>> Gina (01:02:52):
It's like a very long cylindrical tower, and at
the bottom, there'spikes and what they would do is they would just throw
you down this thing, and you would. You would either hit other
bones or you would be inhaled and they would just leave you there.

>> John (01:03:03):
Yeah.

>> Gina (01:03:04):
And it'it's just wild. And there's all kinds
of stories of hauntings in
this castle. There's. There's all different ladies. There's,
like, the lady that. The gray lady, the blue lady,
all these different ladies. There's kids, there's. There was also, at
some point in time, I do believe it was occupied by
soldiers in World War II. So there was, like,
carnage going on from that. I mean, just centuries

(01:03:26):
and centuries of people meeting their demise
in this castle has just left an interesting mark on
it. And from what I understand, you can actually visit it. And
I'm not sure if you can stay overnight, but I think it might be
like an airbnb sort of thing. there's no electricity. There's no
bathrooms. There's none of that. It's just the nitty gritty
castle. I would go for a weekend, and I would

(01:03:47):
just live my best castle life. I would try to
capture all of those medieval ghosts and see if
there's actually devils coming out of the ground, like some people.

>> John (01:03:55):
Cr.

>> Gina (01:03:56):
I think that would be the coolest paranormal
vacation ever.

>> John (01:03:59):
I love it.

>> Colleen (01:04:00):
Have to Take Colleen.

>> John (01:04:02):
Same question.

>> Colleen (01:04:04):
My, my. My dream investigation
is also in England. It's Hampton Court palace
where Henry VIII lived. Specifically the
kitchen. The kitchen at Hampton Court. I, had the pleasure
of touring it. And if you've ever watched the show,
the tutors, a lot of the scenery, you know that they filmed
inside the kitchen there. And that was the actual kitchens where all of

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the feasts were prepared for Henry viii. I
feel like if walls could talk, the Hampton
Court just would be screaming. So that, that's
my dream.

>> John (01:04:34):
I dream.
You know what? I have just one other quick question. Made me think of
something here. I've been meaning to ask if you could take
anyone with you other than your husband.
Sorry, husband. Sorry, husband. I imagine you're
married to Colleen. If you're not, you know. okay, who
would you take with you? You can take anyone else with you to
go investigate who you take.

>> Gina (01:04:53):
I'll let you take this one first. Colleen, I need a second to think about this.

>> Colleen (01:04:56):
Okay, so we're not going to choose someone from our own team. We'renna. We're
gonna think outside the box. Right?

>> John (01:05:01):
You got, you can, you can take, you, well, you
can take a politician, you take a movie star. You can take, a
football. You can take a sports star. You can.
Whoever you want to take. You take your neighbor if you want.

>> Colleen (01:05:12):
I'm gonna take. I don't even know if you guys know who he is, but I'm
go going toa take a guy named John Tenney who is,
he's a, paranormal investigator
lecturer, expert on all things
ufo. He's a ufologist. He's a,
basically is an all around complete weirdo nerd who
knows everything about everything. And he has a. They have a podcast called what's up

(01:05:32):
Weirdo? there. I'm a patreon of them. They're great. They're wonderful. Anyway, and
he, he lectures and I've heard him speak so many
times and he's just a wealth of information. So I'm go goingna say John
Tank.

>> John (01:05:41):
Nice, Gina.

>> Gina (01:05:42):
Go with Snoop Dogg.

>> John (01:05:43):
Nice.

>> Colleen (01:05:44):
That's a good one.

>> Gina (01:05:45):
Because he would just be so chill and you know that he's just
living life at this point doing side quests. I mean he's doing like
the Olympics. He's doing stuff with Martha Stewart. He's just,
you know, gallivanting around the world, just doing whatever he
wants. And I feel like he would be fun to take on
an investigation. Yes, Snoop Dog.

>> John (01:06:02):
Yeah.

>> Colleen (01:06:02):
Your answer was better than mine, Gina. For sure.

>> John (01:06:04):
No, no, no. I love your as, you're both being honest. Well, you
want to hear my crazy answer really quick?

>> Colleen (01:06:09):
Yes.

>> John (01:06:10):
It's very easy. I'm going to Dracula's
castle with Beyonce because I
think Beyonce would be that woman power. It just.
Dracula wouldn't like it or so I don't know. And I
just love Beyonce. So there you go.

>> Colleen (01:06:23):
I'm goingna change my answer. Then I'm gonna change it to Lady Gaga.
Now that you've got the Abra caadabra'go do some
witchcraft in a castle.

>> John (01:06:31):
Some lady guy got in an English castle would
be insane. We all.

>> Colleen (01:06:36):
That's sorry, John Teny. I'm going with Lady Gaga.

>> John (01:06:38):
We all have to figure this out how we're go goingna do
this.

>> Gina (01:06:42):
We're gonna write some letters, we're gonna get in touch with their PR
people and we're gonna make this.

>> John (01:06:46):
We're gon.

>> Gina (01:06:47):
We're gonna make it work.

>> John (01:06:48):
We're gonna figure this out, people. We're gonna make this
happen.
So, wrapping up here. Gina, could you tell, my
spooky friends what you got coming up and what could they look forward to?

>> Colleen (01:06:57):
Yes.

>> Gina (01:06:57):
Yes. So, coming right up this coming
weekend that some of our teammates are going to go
to the west coast of Florida and we are going to be
exploring with beyond the Boundaries paranormal team at
the Herd Opera House. So we're really super excited.
Hopefully we can go live. I don't know what the WI Fi
situation is like, but I hopefully we'll be able to do
that. I would love to have everybody who's interested join us on

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an investigation. That's gonna be Saturday night. And again I'll
post if I'm able to do live because I would love. I love when
people join the live because we always have a lot of fun.

>> John (01:07:28):
Yeah.

>> Gina (01:07:28):
So that, that's coming up. And then also I'm,
currently almost finished. I'm so close to being finished with my
book, you guys. And if you've ever been to my page, she
hans, I do a little series that's called Hidden Mean Meeting and
Cemeteries. If you ever went to a cemetery and you
wondered what certain things on headstones mean, there's a whole
hidden language that was really cultivated by the

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Victorian era. And there's a lot of beautiful
symbolism. Also some really cool symbolism that you
probably would never think about, hidden on headstones
and mausoleums. So I kind of discover
this whole creepy world. I've been writing a book about it and
it's coming out real soon. So I hope that you guys check
it out. When it's ready, I will be putting that up on my page.
And really, just thank you guys for. Thank you for having me

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back. This was a lot of fun, and I absolutely love this
podcast. So, thank you again.

>> John (01:08:16):
Thank you. And, Gina, can you do me a favor? When you become
rich and famous with your book and everything, can you
autograph it for me? And then when I see you with
Snoop Dogg and you guys are, like, hanging out, he's
reading your book, and you're going to the castle, and then lately,
of course, Gagas want to come along, so. Ken,
come along.

>> Gina (01:08:34):
Bring our new celebrity friends.

>> John (01:08:35):
Yeah, and then Beyonce is gonna hear about her. She's. Why are you leaving
me out?

>> Gina (01:08:39):
Y.

>> John (01:08:40):
Perfect.

>> Colleen (01:08:40):
wait a second. A minute ago, you were the billionaire funding
this trip, so come on.

>> John (01:08:45):
Okay. Yeah, I got to figure that out. We'll figure that out.
We're getting. Go. Colleen, thank you so much. You
are absolute joy. This was awesome,
for joining in, everything, so. And I'd love to have
you guys on again. Maybe we can bring some more team members
on, you know, have some more experiences here, because you guys are the
greatest. I love you, and you guys are so
wonderful. And when that book comes out, seriously, I gott

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get a. I got to get a copy. So make sure we figure that
out. Right.

>> Gina (01:09:11):
I'll save you, one.

>> John (01:09:12):
Thank you so much. All right, well, thank you again.
You guys are the greatest, and I love you. And, you know,
when this comes out, I'm sure there might be a little bit of ruffled
feathers with some of the team members, but. Okay. You know, they
can come on Instagram or whatever. We'll go from
there. All right. Thank you.
Thankkly. Have a great
night. Love you. Bye.