Join host John in this spine-tingling episode of Dairyland Frights as he welcomes Blaine and Taylor from the Ghost and Us Podcast, two passionate paranormal enthusiasts from Wisconsin. The trio dives deep into the eerie world of ghost hunting, sharing their thrilling experiences and personal encounters with the supernatural. From haunted campgrounds resting on ancient burial grounds to spine-chilling tales of shadow figures, listeners will be captivated by their discussions on the unique hauntings found in the Midwest. Blaine and Taylor recount their favorite investigations, including a terrifying experience at Pine Lawn Manor, and explore the enigmatic phenomenon of black-eyed children. Prepare for a blend of humor and horror as they navigate the fine line between the living and the dead.
00:00 - From Wisconsin is a paranormal podcast that covers everything spooky in Wisconsin
02:10 - Blain and Taylor are paranormal ghost hunters and they have a podcast
04:12 - Taylor: I love ghost hunting. I love it. Yeah, we started doing like our investigations because
05:47 - Jesse says photo on ghost tour ruined rest of the tour for him
09:34 - It was just that the photo went. Yeah, it's hit or miss
10:05 - Tell me about your first paranormal experience
14:42 - What was your first paranormal experience? So, yeah, I grew
18:44 - Blaine gets weird vibe off fireman helmet from Fox Valley ghost hunters
22:05 - We went to the Pine Lawn Manor in Sumner, Illinois
25:17 - Min: I've never been on a paranormal investigation before
29:43 - I did a little research on black eyed children and they're hard to find
34:17 - One of the stories that I heard about sleep paralysis was interesting
38:54 - How do they live like that? You can't, but they do
39:05 - What is the scariest story someone has told you or heard from someone
44:03 - The reason I didn't buy the house is because the real estate agent lied
48:06 - John DeFeo claims that the devil made him do it
50:01 - John says he was considering changing the facade of his house for soul effect
54:48 - Don't ever play with Ouija board when you're pregnant
55:57 - Taylor: If you could go anywhere in the world and investigate any site
01:00:03 - This episode is about Zach Baggins and his museum
01:02:25 - What can fans look forward to podcast wise on Haunted House
01:03:44 - How would someone get in touch with Ghosts via email or social media
01:06:07 - All right, thanks guys. Sounds good by. Love you. Bye.
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>> John (00:12):
M hello, my spooky friends, and welcome to another episode of
Dairyland Frights, the paranormal podcast that
covers everything spooky, creepy, and
mysterious in the Midwest and beyond.
And today, I am super excited because I
got what I call people from
my state of Wisconsin, Parisconis, who
(00:32):
are into the paranormal and love talking about the paranormal.
And I have a Blaine and
Tailr from Ghost and Us Podcasts.
>> Blaine (00:40):
Yay.
>> John (00:41):
Welcome.
>> Blaine (00:50):
Who.
>> John (00:50):
And like I said, we are from Wisconsin. I've
interviewed from P.E. wisconsin. And what I love
about P From Wisconsin is that we
have such a. I don't know, a, weird
conglomerate of, like, haunted
stories, paranormal stories,
cryptids, mysteries. And, you know,
(01:10):
it's funny because I just had on the podcast one
of my favorite states and cities to
visit in the paranormal. Savannah, Georgia.
And, like, literally everything is haunted there.
But one thing we talked about is in
Wisconsin, you could be sleeping on an Indian
burial ground and probably don't know it, right?
>> Taylor (01:31):
Yeahe.
>> John (01:32):
Wisconsin got everything right, right?
Like effigy mounds. Like, literally there
are places all over Wisconsin where you probably can
go camping and then don't realize you're sleeping on
the bones of
Indian Native American ancestors.
And, you're probably gonna get cursed, but, you know, that's okay as
(01:52):
long.
>> Taylor (01:52):
As you enjoy your camping.
>> John (01:53):
Exactly. If you bring a demon home,
what's the big deal, right, guys? I mean, come
on.
>> Blaine (01:59):
I deal demons every day. As soon as I'm about to use
the bathroom.
>> John (02:04):
Well, those are different. The demons, the.
Why you guys.
Why did t you guys introduce yourself and, talk a little bit about
your podcast? Yeah.
>> Blaine (02:14):
you want me to go first? Okay. well, I'm Blaine.
I don't know if that was obvious or not. I mean, could be a
girl's name, too. I don't know.
>> Taylor (02:21):
Taylor. Could be a boy's name.
>> Blaine (02:22):
Well, I'm Blain, and, I.
Taylor and I have been best
friends since we were in fifth grade and that we've
known each other for almost 18
years now. Yeah, there we.
I don't know, like, we just like to have fun,
talk ghosts, talk spooky things. I'm trying not to
(02:43):
ramble, to be honest with you, but, like, we just like to talk
about spooky stuff, and we like to hear other people'spooky stuff. And that was
the basis of why I start the podcast for us
was as I like hearing people's ghost stories. And
that's what it originally started as throughout our first
season, and it was just me and one
person, and we would just sit down, they would
tell me their story, that it was meant. It's. It's meant to be a
(03:05):
safe space for people. Like, I don't want people.
>> John (03:07):
Yeah.
>> Blaine (03:08):
To come in and feel like what they're telling me and go,
oh, my gosh. You know, you probably think I'm crazy.
>> John (03:13):
No.
>> Blaine (03:14):
Like, this is a space where I want you to be. I
want you to feel free to be open.
>> John (03:18):
You don't.
>> Blaine (03:18):
You can be as open as you want. You can be as closed off as you want. That's
why I originally started the podcast. But we are
mainly paranormal ghost hunters.
Yeah, before we are podcasters,
we. We like shooting, we do
episodic ghost hunts. And I have
way more fun putting those together because I can show off
a more, I don't know, fun, talented
(03:41):
editing ability than I. The podcast has meant for
us to be a fun, fun, easy content
to make.
>> Taylor (03:47):
Except when I'm trying to say names.
>> Blaine (03:49):
Yeah, you.
>> Taylor (03:49):
Yeah, I suck at saying names so much.
>> Blaine (03:52):
That's Taylor.
>> John (03:53):
Are you a mush mouth like I am? Taylor, you know
where you're just like, blah, blah, I can't say
yes.
>> Taylor (03:59):
Oh, yes. I'll sit there and I'll struggle and I'll try to, like, say it
a couple times, and then I'll look at Blaine and he'll be like, taylor,
this is how you say it. And I'll try again and I'm like,
nope, doesn't work.
>> Blaine (04:09):
Yeah, well, we just did an episode. We
actually, before being on here, we did an episode, a game
show style episode. And one of the. One of
the questions Taylor posed to me is, what. What is, a potiac.
>> Taylor (04:21):
It's a Ponton
Exact.
>> Blaine (04:25):
This is what I deal with every. Every time we do an episode.
>> John (04:28):
Is this Lane, I feel for you.
>> Blaine (04:30):
No, better.
>> John (04:31):
Okay.
>> Blaine (04:31):
I just act like an asshole. Although I probably am
one. No, I'm just like, no, it. Like, like when she'll
say a name. Like we were talking about Pati ery in one of them
and you. You mispronounced Negry's last name and I was like, no,
it's Pati ery. And she'like okay. And then we just like,
continued on. Yeah, but like
that Gohes. I couldn't tell you what that was either.
>> Taylor (04:51):
I guess I just kept saying, not the Pontiac, not
the car, and the very.
>> Blaine (04:55):
And then he. He called it a day.
>> John (04:57):
I love it. I love it. so
Taylor, how about you? Kind of the same thing. I'm guessing like
paranormal and.
>> Taylor (05:04):
Yeah, we actually Started doing like our investigations
because, like, I invited Blaine to go do this
asylum tour, which now he gets to like
participate and volunteer and lead these tours.
But I invited him to go with us to check it out.
And after that he was like, oh my God, Taylor, I
love ghost hunting. And then we started and
(05:25):
it was amazing.
>> Blaine (05:26):
Yeah, we u. Right before the
pandemic, you and your husband
were doing an anniversary thing and we went to the Door County
Trolley tour.
>> Taylor (05:35):
Oh yeah. That was horrible.
>> John (05:37):
I love that tour. Yeah, yeah, you.
Oh, we same.
>> Blaine (05:42):
We are not the same.
Ok. O my go A photograph. They handed on
a photograph in ours. Maybe it was just our group, I don't
know. But our guide was super nice. He
was very energetic. That is not what I'm faulting here.
What I'm faulting is handing out a photograph of a shadow from
a mannequin and posing it off as a ghost.
>> Taylor (06:01):
Yeah, but I mean that. Okay, so that
was the beginning of the tour. So that just kind of like set
the tone. Yeah, it really ruined the rest of it for us.
But like the stories they were saying and like
history and like lo. That's cool. But just
that photo really messed it up.
>> John (06:17):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Blaine (06:18):
But, yeah, no, no, no, that was it.
Yeah.
>> John (06:22):
yeah, because see, I like, I. We
got a really nice, older gentleman
had he. And actually had him on the podcast,
last year. And like he knew everything
backwards and forwards and he was not like
trying to like he didn't show that shadow
thing. That's kind of weird. he didn't really show anything
(06:43):
other than he sent me pictures
after the interview and
of some o. Could be a ghost in a
window. Could be whatever. But I said I,
put on my Instagram some interesting pictures they sent
me that people took, during the
tour and Interesting, you know,
kind of. It gives you pause to see what it could be. One was
(07:05):
like a mist, and one was like.
Looked like a little boy looking out of a window. Like, you know,
from like 1800s.
>> Blaine (07:13):
Yeah. Our guide. And I'm not. I do not fault him at all.
He was very energetic. Super like, he
seemed really nice. It was. He handed out the photo
to the group and we were passing it along. We were at one of the.
I don't remember which house we were at.
>> Taylor (07:26):
It was at like a little small house that was like surrounded
by other.
>> Blaine (07:31):
Bunch of bars and yeah. Stuff on one of the main
streets. But we. He had passed it around
and I looked at Taylor. I was like, I'M going toa ask him this
because this seems really weird, and I didn't want to, like, be
rude about it, obviously, because, like, that's not
cool. So I'm looking, and I was like, you can, like.
I asked him which one of the figures that we're looking at in this
photo, and he pointed to it, and I was like, you can
(07:54):
see. You can see the line of which, like, here's the
mannequin. You can see the line from the shadow where the light
would hit it, and then it would, like, go against the wall here. And I'm like, I
think I just debunked this. I m. Don't
know. Like, I felt really bad. I was like, what do I
do? Like, do I say something? Do I not. I don't know. I. I don't think I did.
>> Taylor (08:11):
Oh.
>> Blaine (08:11):
So I was just like, oh, this really?
But I will say the history and everything else was
very cool. I do not want to fault that. I just.
I wasn't a fan of theah.
>> John (08:22):
Yeah. And, you know, that's. I've been on, let me see,
about 15 ghost tours all over the
country. Some are done really well, and some are done,
like, by a teenager who's just got his
adult voice. Hi. The. Today we're gonna look
at ghost in it. And you're like, stop.
Stop it. Just. I paid 35 bucks for this.
You know what I mean? And you're like, I pa 35 bucks,
(08:44):
you know? No, that was. Let me see.
That one was in, Texas, I
believe in Houston. Had just this teenager driving
us around in a van. And Jesse was sketchy
from the starth.
>> Blaine (08:57):
Geez.
>> John (08:58):
Hey. We're all looking at each other like, are we being
kidnapped? Are they gonna harvest our organs? Like, what
is. It was bad. It was bad.
So it was bad.
>> Taylor (09:08):
The reason why I wanted to do the door county ghost tour thing
was because a year or two before that, my husband and I
did a, ghost tour in the Dems. And it was
amazing. We loved it. And I was like, oh,
we got to do more. These will all be great.
And then, there was that one.
>> John (09:23):
Yeah, it's. It's hit or miss. Yeah,
it's hit or miss. I. Yeah, go ahead.
>> Blaine (09:29):
No, I just. It was just that photo went. Having,
like, seen it in person on the tour and
him, like, being super, like, adamant about it.
I'm just like, yeah, well.
>> Taylor (09:39):
And then standing and looking in the.
>> Blaine (09:40):
Building where the photo was, you can, like, walk up
to. We were able to walk up to the window. And look, I was like, yeah, right. There's the
mannequin. See how, like, it's the same lights hitting this thing? I'm like,
man, that. That sucks.
>> John (09:52):
That's awesome.
So tell me, I'll start with you, Taylor.
Tell me about your first paranormal experience.
>> Blaine (09:58):
You got a few.
>> Taylor (10:01):
Oh, okay. Well.
>> John (10:03):
Well, we got.
>> Taylor (10:03):
Trying to think o.
>> Blaine (10:05):
She's got. She's had more than I have.
>> Taylor (10:07):
Ah, it's been pretty much my whole life.
>> John (10:09):
Okay, go ahead.
>> Taylor (10:11):
So the one that I can remember the most when I was
younger, I was like, seven or eight maybe, there
was always, like, this little boy spirit that I would see outside of
the house. He would never come in the house, but he would
always sit outside where I, like, I could go to any window and I'd
see him, like, justoo, like, getting, like, my
vision. And, I called him Dingo. I don't know why
(10:31):
that's the name I gave him. But, yeah, he never
came inside. But he would follow me other places, and he would go
inside the buildings of other places, just not in my
house. And, my mom, when she passed away,
I stopped seeing him. And then my
family was telling me that my mom used to have a little
boy spirit follow her around. So we're just
kind of like, assuming, okay, he's gone because
(10:54):
my mom is gone. And, like, yeah,
otherwise, the only other experience I could remember of being, like,
a little kid is, like, talking to a clown in a corner.
That's about it.
>> John (11:04):
Okay, let's go on that one. A clown, Like a
dow or like.
>> Blaine (11:08):
You'Ve opened up the worms.
>> Taylor (11:09):
My parents were always terrified of just,
like, seeing me in a corner, and I'm just like. I'm talking
to my friend, and they're like, what does your friend look like? And
I'm like, he has crazy hair, and it's like a clown. And they're
like, no, they hated
that. And I would just do that all the time.
>> John (11:27):
And then your head spins around. Yes, mother.
You just float above the covers. Hello,
mot.
>> Taylor (11:33):
Oh, my goodness.
>> Blaine (11:34):
You vom.
>> John (11:35):
Be awesome. Please do that. Please do that.
>> Taylor (11:37):
I mean. I mean, I've had some, like, super
crazy.
>> Blaine (11:41):
Yeah, if we're gonna. If you're gonna do that now, do it on this podcast. He
would really like that.
>> Taylor (11:46):
Like, super crazy experiences
where, like, I've had mirrors shatter on me out of nowhere.
like, I would be super, super
emotional and, like, just have so much, like,
sadness and anger and all that. And I'd be crying and all of a
Sudden, like I had a body mirror explode on me
from behind. And then there was another time
(12:06):
where I just watched it and it just spok,
blame.
>> John (12:10):
Are you okay with that?
>> Blaine (12:12):
Why wouldn't I be. Would be doing this if I wasn't?
>> John (12:14):
Check it.
>> Blaine (12:14):
We've been investigating for the last four years.
If I wasn't okay with it, I probably wouldn't be
doing.
>> John (12:21):
That's all right. and mirrors. Do you mean like in your
house or.
>> Taylor (12:25):
Yeah, in my house. Just
like two body mirrors just exploded on me.
>> John (12:31):
Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. I'm trying to wrap my
mind around this. Do you mean, like, shatter? Like,
just shatter and like, kind of fall apart
or like shatter, like, turn into little pieces
and, you know,
>> Taylor (12:43):
It would, like, shatter as if someone, like, took a nail and went.
And it would, like, break and then pieces would fall.
So it wasn't like, explosive,
like glass dust or anything. It was chunks
of mirror that would just fall.
>> Blaine (12:56):
Yeah, like if you took a hammer to it.
>> Taylor (12:59):
Yeah.
>> John (13:00):
And this is, this is. This is when you were
emotional.
>> Taylor (13:04):
Yeah. So the first time was like, I was
really emotional because it was my first time moving out of my
dad's and like, just becoming an adult.
And I don't know, I was just really beat up about
it, and the mirror was behind
me and it just shattered all over.
And I was like, well, what the heck? And then years
later, it was like a breakup, but it was
(13:26):
like a really, really toxic relationship. And
I was sitting on the bed and the mirror was like
8, 10ft away from me, in front of me,
and I was just broken down,
crying so hard. And then I just saw it go. Then.
>> John (13:40):
Yeah, that's.
That's interesting. I have not heard
that before.
>> Taylor (13:48):
Those were the only two times I've had something like that
happen because thank God I don't get that
emotional anymore.
>> John (13:54):
That's good. Yeah. any shadow people
associated with that? Any shadows? Did
you see anything like that, at those times?
>> Taylor (14:03):
No, I didn't see. It was only when I was
really just beat up. However, during those times when
that, like, during that time period of that stuff happening
and I would visit my dad and stay the night or
something. He's like, taylor, I can't sleep when you're like this.
Because he would say, like, he felt something in his
bedroom as I'm like, crying in a different room or
(14:23):
whatever. And.
>> John (14:24):
Yeah, interesting.
>> Taylor (14:26):
That's all I have for that.
>> John (14:28):
That's. That's something. So I've
interviewed A number of. Whether you believe it or not,
they're fascinating people, mediums,
psychic impasse, stuff like that, who could
probably. There is one woman I'm going to be
interviewing next week who can basically
look at you and tell you like if you have
demons, evil spirits, stuff like that.
(14:50):
And she can tell you like just by looking at, by
looking at you. And I think that's fascinating
and maybe I should have you back on the show and ever
look at you and probably scream, no, I. Just
kidding.
That's, that's, that's fascinating. Thank you for sharing
that. I got blame. Can you top it?
>> Blaine (15:11):
No, I can'what.
>> Taylor (15:13):
S the first paranormal experience?
>> Blaine (15:15):
So, yeah, I grew, I grew up as an only child. I
mean my, my house was, I would never
say my house was haunted. The only thing that I
can, I can't explain like thinking back
on it is I would be in my, my
bedroom sleeping. I would wake up in the middle of
the night and I would hear like talking through the
(15:35):
wall because my bedroom's on the opposite side of what my
parents living room. Iseah.
And I can only explain like it'just sounds like
mumbling. I can hear tone, I can hear like,
like that. But I couldn't make out what it was saying.
But when you would focus on it and you try to like really
listen to it, it would stop. So I don't know if maybe it was
(15:56):
just like me, you know, my brain just being weird.
I don't know. I can't explain it. I didn't have a
paranormal experience until
we started doing this. I was just really
fascinated by ghosts. And I'm like, I mean
there's got to be something. Like too many people have had an
experience to not say there's anything in my opinion.
But I didn't have an experience until
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I was, it was right after we had
done a private location
and we had come back. I was getting up for work
on a Monday and I was working
10 hour shifts. It's 4:30 in the morning.
I go to my bathroom and as soon as I
walk into the threshold of my bathroom,
I see a shadow figure walk in the
(16:41):
mirror that's above, like it's a medicine cabinet
mirror. I saw it walk through there towards my shower and I
thought, wow, my eyes are playing tricks on me.
It's got toa be my shadow. Like that's the only
explanation I could, I could think of. Like the medicine cabinet is
open, whatever. I'm tired and I went about my
day. But I couldn't stop thinking about it
(17:01):
all day until I went home after work.
I stood in the threshold of the bathroom again in
daylight. And I couldn't recreate it.
And I'm like, okay, the medicine cabinet must have been open. I went
to go open it and it opens this way. And if I would
have seen it, it would have had to have open the opposite way.
>> John (17:18):
Yeah.
>> Blaine (17:19):
So I can't explain that to me. I saw a Chadel
person in my bathroom.
And m. I've. Since I've moved into this space,
this office that we're in right now, this little area, it's in
my apartment. I've actually got two objects that
allegedly have an attachment to it. And when I first
moved in, I was seeing figures walking around here all
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the time.
>> John (17:41):
Wow.
>> Blaine (17:42):
To the point where I. If I'm coming in here,
I'll say, hey guys, I'm gonna be in here for a little while. I'm gonna
work on some stuff. And then I go about my business. I'm
sitting in this office chair right now. I'm looking out the door, which is
like right over here in front of me. And I happen to look up
and I see someone walking in my kitchen.
Like, I'll see things all the time here, but it
(18:02):
doesn't bug me. Like I don't feel any
sense of, you know, it's just roommates, anxiety or things
like that. I don't feel anything negative or bad. So I
just kind of like, all right, you're here, Cool. And then when
I leave out the office, like, all right guys, have a good night. I'll shut the
door and I'll be like, that's it. I'll hear weird noises
at night, but that's it.
>> John (18:21):
Interesting. That's interesting that you don't feel
dread or anything like that crack.
>> Blaine (18:26):
You don't know the objects that I have. I don't. One
could be said maybe for the helmet that I have, I have a fire
helmet tailor. Are you able to grab that maybe? Because I don't know where it
is.
>> John (18:35):
I'm
>> Blaine (18:35):
Over here. I can't see. We have this room pretty dark right now.
I have a chair that I got from my grandmother.
>> John (18:41):
Yeah.
>> Blaine (18:41):
And I thought it was my great aunt before she had died.
She. It turns out it was one of her neighbors who had passed away in the
chair. And I've gotten some weird spirit box answers on
it and take it or leave it with what you will, but I've used
an SLS camera and I've gotten a stick Figure that like fell out of
the chair and it was on the floor and it was
crawling and I said, get back in the chair. And it went. Got back in the
(19:02):
chair and it disappeared. Yeah, and I have that on footage.
It's actually on our. Our TIKTK page. But this helmet
I actually got for helping out with
u the Fox Valley ghost hunters before we
really got started. And they had never done a private location
before, so I was helping him out. This guy who owned this, he
said that he bought and sold storage units.
(19:22):
And he was telling us that he got a weird vibe off of this. This
fireman helmet. He tried looking out the info on it and I've
even tried looking it up and I've never been able to find anything on it. I
thought at first it was like a costume helmet, but it's like
actual like fireman quality. Like
this is what you would wear. And u. As soon as he was telling
us about it, goosebumps shot up both of his arms as he was holding
(19:42):
it. And then at the end of the night, we were
investigating his place because he's got a. A, grandchild who
was living with him and he wanted to make sure that the kid was going toa be all right.
And of course you want to, you know, take that precaution.
But we. So we did an esta session with this
outside and you know, take that for what you will. I enjoy doing
the method. the questions that were
asked by my friends who are part of Fox Valley said,
(20:05):
what's in front of blamee? What's the object? And what do you
want us to do with it? And my answers were in succession.
What's in front of Blaine? An object. What's the object?
Helmet. What do you want us to do with the helmet? Take it
away.
>> John (20:17):
Hm.
>> Blaine (20:18):
And, @ the end of the night, we told him that and he goes, all right, what do you want
to do with the helmet? And I was like,
I guess I'm stuck with it now. Yeah, no, but it's been here and
I don't get the same feeling from it, so.
>> John (20:30):
But, that's why I say it's allegedly. Yeah,
yeah. Because it's whatever imprinted
upon an object. Because, you know, again,
energy just doesn't go away. It will
imprint on very various things, negative or
positive. I do not like
cursed owls. They freake me out.
So, I will never have a cursed object
(20:53):
in this house. But, I think it'd be interesting.
>> Taylor (20:56):
I have, I have, yeah, two. Two
dolls for sure. That have something. And then my little
knickknacks.
>> Blaine (21:02):
I wouldn't say they curse, though.
>> Taylor (21:04):
Oh, no, not cursed. Just. They have something with them. Yeah,
they're my children.
>> John (21:08):
Thanks a lot. They
just here them. How can
you keep them? They just freake me out. Like, you have no
problem.
>> Taylor (21:17):
So. Funny story. I'm also terrified
adults.
>> Blaine (21:21):
But she loves buying them.
>> Taylor (21:23):
But I really like these. I just look at them and I'm like, I feel
something with you. and then I have them.
>> John (21:29):
Okay.
>> Blaine (21:31):
Like thrift.
>> Taylor (21:31):
Yeah. I find a doll each time. Try to.
>> Blaine (21:35):
She has so many. And she goes, I hate
God.
>> John (21:39):
Yeah. Yeah. They're just so freaky. They're just so
freaky.
Anyway,
tell me about you guys favorite investigation so
far that you've gone on. And where was it?
>> Taylor (21:52):
It keeps changing for me.
>> Blaine (21:54):
B. Recency bias.
>> John (21:56):
Okay. We.
>> Blaine (21:57):
We just started a new show
on. On a streaming service that we're in the middle of
filming it. Ah. And editing it.
N. We went to the Pine Lawn
Manor in Sumner, Illinois.
>> Taylor (22:09):
Terrifying.
>> Blaine (22:10):
We didn't even investigate the actual
Pine Lawn Manor building. We only were in
the Sumner Rehab.
>> Taylor (22:17):
And Care center and called it quits.
>> Blaine (22:19):
That. That place has some. I don't want
to curse on your show. That place has some.
>> John (22:24):
Go ahead. You can curse on my show.
>> Blaine (22:26):
That place has got some dark shit, man.
>> Taylor (22:29):
Very bad juju in some, like, parts.
>> Blaine (22:32):
That place has stories, of sexual
assault, neglect, ah,
malpractice. That place. You. You think anything
bad about that place? That they probably have done it.
That place is dark. we were talking with
the owner. He was showing us around and we only made it through
the rehab and care center. We were.
>> Taylor (22:51):
We got to. Well, I. I don't know about Blaine. I think
he was just trying to.
>> Blaine (22:55):
Feel on to the next building. We were just. I didn't want
to force you to do something you didn't want to do because I could tell we were both
getting on Ed.
>> Taylor (23:01):
I was so scared where I was like, I'm done.
I can't do this anymore.
>> Blaine (23:06):
It was to the point we thought somebody had broken. We
were. We. The owner was going to come over to the
rehabbing care center and he was going to bring us over to the Pine Lawn
Manor building itself because we were going to do a
challenge where one of us is strapped to a
wheelchair and it's in the most haunted wing of this.
Of this building. where like, a lady was doing
witchcraft and like, sacrificing cats and shit.
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Yeah.
>> Taylor (23:29):
Yeah.
>> Blaine (23:30):
So we werenna. It was going Toa be that challenge and Taylor
was not okay with it. And I had done the other challenge
in the rehab center and we didn't get anything really. We got
one voice through u spirit box but
we, we didn't get anything there. So I was like I'll do the other one.
I'll. I'll just take care of it. Well, we're reviewing the
footage to show the owner a thing that we heard and we
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couldn't explain. So we're looking for the footage and I didn't have a
single camera ro onling and I kicked myself in the ass
every day since because I'm like why didn't I have one going?
>> Taylor (23:58):
What we heard was like some kind of furniture, like
heavy moving.
>> Blaine (24:02):
Sounded like someone. A big ass desk
and just like you heard it scuff the floor of
like, like
someone was pushing a desk. We heard that loud
and were like what the hell. So we
literally were walking up and down the building and
Taylor had saw a shadow figure walk into
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a room and it was solid enough.
>> Taylor (24:25):
It was not a shadow, it was a full. It was an
apparition for sure.
>> Blaine (24:29):
Figure it was, it was solid. We
thought some. She said we thought somebody broke in.
So I handed her my camera and I. And I grabbed a broom and I
was like I saw red and I was, I was, I was
whacking every. I was opening every door and swinging
this broom. I'm cracking the roomom on the floor, man. Like
I've never, I've never been so defensive about
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something in my life that freaked me out. It was
scary, man.
>> John (24:53):
Wow.
And so see that's
fascinating to me because I've never really been on a
paranormal investigation. I've been in a shut in in
Chicago. There's this haunted theater and you basically
go around with a paranormal investigator and you just kind of look
around stuff. But during that time someone saw
a child with black eyes just appear
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out of nowhere. Because it was like 3:00 in the morning. I
know how this is the only time I could feel what you
guys have felt. Another paranormal investigators felt we were just.
It was like three or four in the morning and we were just
sitting around. It was quiet, like you know, deathly
quiet. And all of a sudden we just heard this blood
curdling scream from this woman and
everybody's like ah. We all go running over there and she's
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shaking, just trembling and she said this
ghost of this. She saw a little girl and she was like
why is a little girl in here? Like why Would someone
bring that person in here? Like, that's just
really kind of shitty parenting, you know what I mean? And,
then the girl turned. Girl turned around. She's wearing like one of those
1800s, like, reallyill little dress.
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And she opened her eyes and they were completely black.
And she just lost it. And we had to stop
it. And the paranormal investigator had to like,
okay, let's stop. Let everybody
stopp. And they, you know, I was just like,
man, I didn't see it, but just hearing
that, I can't even imagine you guys hearing
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a table or seeing an apparition. I
mean, and not running for your life. I mean,
geez, you're braver than me.
>> Taylor (26:25):
I was running. I was gonna run with my life.
>> Blaine (26:28):
You were frozen.
>> Taylor (26:29):
The only other time, like, I've never, like, there was a time where
I saw like a black orb or like a black ball in
person, and it like just formed in front of me and then
shot up the stairs. Like, I wasn't scared of that. I was really
confused. And at that investigation, you were
terrified.
>> Blaine (26:44):
I was so scared. I got challenged by a buddy of
mine to. So we went to a mason lodge in
Illinois and we had
gotten. I had gotten issued a challenge by a buddy mine who
does some. Some ghost hunting, YouTube
videos. And he goes, dude, stay down the basement. Something's trying
to talk to you there because I was telling them about some other stuff. And
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he goes, dude, trying and figure out what that is. I'm like, y. I don't want to
do this. Well, I have a portal box going, and it's
what that is. It's just like a modified speaker
and you hook it up to a spirit box and it's supposed to filter out that
white noise that's generated.
>> Taylor (27:17):
It almost sounds like someone is talking in a toilet. It
echoes?
>> Blaine (27:20):
Yeah, it sounds kind of like a watery effect. You can take
the reverb off, but it sounds. It sounds better
with the reverb, which, whatever.
>> John (27:28):
U.
>> Blaine (27:29):
But I'm sitting in there and all of a suden. I'm not getting
voices. I'm getting like shouts of like, yeah,
it's freaking screaming. It's freaking me out. And on
camera, I had it pointed in this little room in this
basement where I'm doing this. And I got
scared. A shadow figure is poking out from the
wall and then right back and like, goes back.
Like it pokes out from the wall. You can make out like an
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arm and a head. It goes out and then back into
the wall. But what's weird is that
it's from the wall. It's not from the room
itself because the wall
is solid to the staircase that's
right outside of the room. So it
came through the wall and back and I'm like, what
the hell? But I can I. Can I
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tell you a story about black eyed children? Because I had my
own experience with one of those.
>> John (28:18):
Let's go. Love it.
>> Blaine (28:20):
So like Taylor said before I help out, I.
I do volunteer guided investigations for
the Sheboygan Asylum and I also help
out with the Glenulla School. That's in
Glenulla, Wisconsin. I'm there with a buddy, Min, his name's
Preston. We had just finished guides and we were
locking everything up and we left. We were out in the parking lot.
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I said, having a night man. Like I'll talk to you later. I
backed up and as I backed up the door that we
just come from, there's a little boy standing
on the stairs, perfect view of this window
and he has two black eyes.
>> Taylor (28:54):
You never told me that.
>> Blaine (28:56):
I thought I did. Yeah. I saw this little boy and he was
wearing, he was wearing like a white shirt and
overalls and he's got two black eyes. Like that's all I could
see. And he's got like a bowl cut and I'm like, I pulled back in. I was
like, dude, I was like, dude, I never guess what I
just saw. And I told him and he goes that'sing
scary. And then we left.
>> John (29:14):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Blaine (29:15):
And then we went home.
>> John (29:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So let's, let's talk about that.
I did a little research on black eyed children
and they're really, it's really hard to find.
I don't know, incredible stuff. There's stories out there where
people have invited them in and all this terrible
things have happened. Is your, yeah. Your guys.
What is your theory about themie? demons.
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you know what?
>> Taylor (29:40):
We actually wanted to do an episode sometime about
it.
>> Blaine (29:44):
Topic.
>> John (29:44):
Yeah, yeah. Please do think they're.
>> Blaine (29:47):
I don't think they're demons.
>> Taylor (29:48):
So like the little things that I know about black eyed
children, like I remember hearing like stories of like they
would come up to people's doors or like whatever and be like can
we please come in? Can you please let us in this and that.
But like that's all I knew about.
>> Blaine (30:02):
Just don't like saying the word demon anymore because like
it's so overplayed.
Everything'a demon nowadays, you knowe?
>> John (30:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Blaine (30:11):
It's just. I don't want to say it's a demon because
I'm not. You're not really letting your guard down. If you see a
black eyed kid, like
the of a demonic entity
posing as a child is to like let your guard
down, open yourself up to it so it can try and
eventually possess.
>> John (30:30):
Right?
>> Blaine (30:31):
Like that's what, that's the, that's the lore of it,
at least to my knowledge. If I'm wrong, someone can correct me. I'm
sure you probably could too.
>> John (30:38):
Yeah.
>> Blaine (30:39):
but like if you see a solid little
kid with two black eyes for
whoe like on its face, your first reaction
is. Let me help you. Your first reaction isit.
Get the out.
>> John (30:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The the famous story if
you guys do a. This is a well known one,
once you do start doing research on it, is a guy in
Texas was of all things, just
paying his bills, just going out running errands
and he's about to get out of his car and like right
here, like you know, like we said, oh shit, is
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a black eyed children, like right next to his car window, he
has a little, is a hood. You can see the black eyes.
And he's like, Jesus, you know, like that, you know,
and then the guy's like talking to the kid
and the kid's like talking in a very monotone
and saying, we want to go see the movie. And
at first the guy was like, okay, where's your, where's your
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parents? We want to go see the movie. The mo. And the
kid was talking about stuff that was from like years
ago and he was like okay, all right. And
he just, you know, drove out of there and stuff.
But's it was just, the kid was just And then another
story is a
couple supposedly in Sweden or
somebody like that let the kids in.
>> Taylor (31:55):
I've heard the cops.
>> John (31:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, let the kids in. And
they immediately got sick and
nauseous and ah, you know, couldn't get the kids
to leave at first and everything. But it's
not like I had a paranomal investigator on and told me he
goes, if there'it's that frequent. he goes
if they're more frequent than we think we are. Everyone has a
camera. Like literally everybody has a camera on
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their phone. So m.
Why wouldn't you like,
okay, you know. Now the guy from Texas, this was
back, I believe early 90s, late
80s, so there was no cell phones. But
in today's world, ring cam, security
cam, camera phone, on and on and on,
right? Nobody like, nobody has
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seen this. Now if you put my conspiracy hat
on, which I like to put on my conspiracy hat on is
people might have just erased it or just might been
like no one's gonna believe me. I'm deleting this. It's freaking
me out. I don't know.
>> Taylor (32:54):
Ye.
>> John (32:54):
It's interesting. It's a fascinating story.
>> Blaine (32:56):
I'd like to challenge that opinion if you don't mind because.
>> John (32:59):
Yeah, absolutely.
>> Blaine (33:00):
I'd like to challenge that because like if somebody's like if,
if you catch the holy grail
of video evidence of this black eyed kid
on like your ring camera or your cell
phone, I don't think anybody in their right mind
today would delete it. They're gonna post that shit. But then
they'rennan to get famous for 15 minutes.
>> Taylor (33:21):
But they'll get harassed. Yeah'be like, oh, that's fake.
You're losing.
>> Blaine (33:25):
Welcome to social m media. That's what. That's all it is nowadays.
>> Taylor (33:27):
But that might be the reason why they wouldn't want to share it.
They are, they're afraid of being harassed and
likeittle.
>> Blaine (33:34):
I'm sure that some people who that. I'm sure some people will
do that for sure. But like that's, you know, I'm
gonna put that in. I'm gonna put that. That's a one out of five person who's
gonna do that. I think four out of those five be like, I'm
going to get my 15 minutes of fame and I'm going to post this shit on like
tik tock right now.
>> John (33:49):
Yeah.
>> Taylor (33:50):
You know. Okay.
So like you asked if we think they're like aliens or
demons or this or that. I think like as you were
telling the stories of like black eyed children and all
that, in my head I was thinking like maybe these are just
like children who went through like had a very
traumatic death or whatever and. Or
like just such like so much trauma and they
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died at a young age that these are just like lost
spirits hanging around and that's just the way that they're
portrayed. Just no soul. Cause you always hear
that the eyes are the soul, like windows to the soul.
>> John (34:22):
Yeah, that's fascinating to me. It's like
the majority of ghost stories I hear
are maybe you guys back me up on this. Cause I want to hear
your stories too. I don't typically do
a lot of like call in with your story
or whatever because some of it's, you know, some
guy's remembering wrong or it's just some. That's like,
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oh, that's it. Like you know, you're rocking chair Rock for
two seconds. And you know that. Okay. It's the win.
And what we were talking about earlier before, it's a mannequin.
Okay? But one of the stories that I heard, I
thought was really fascinating was people
who have sleep paralysis.
That is some scary shit. And if
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you don't believe me, I highly
recommend. And I. Gosh, I always forget the
stupid name of this documentary, but there's a
documentary on it that will scare the ever
living shit out of you. You will not sleep at
night when they talk to these people who have had
it, where they've seen, like, these
shadows over them, like, hovering over them, and
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they can't move or shadow people coming in the
room. And those stories I thought was really interesting.
>> Taylor (35:32):
We had a guest talk about something they actually.
>> Blaine (35:34):
We've actually had two guests on our show talk about sleep.
>> John (35:37):
Isn't that what crazy say? I'm curious.
Yeah, go ahead.
>> Blaine (35:41):
Can I.
>> Taylor (35:41):
Can I say one?
>> Blaine (35:42):
You'rena. You're gonna tell Tony's. I'm gonna tell Kaye's. So.
>> Taylor (35:45):
Okay, so the one that I have in my head, she was
like a little girl, and she used to, like, sleep in the same bed as her mom.
Like, she and her sister would take turns or whatever.
she. She was like, in the middle of sleep paralysis, and
she saw, like, I believe she said she saw a little kid.
But then, like, behind the kid was this big black
figure, and it would move towards her bed, like,
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stop motion, like, just.
And it opened this cabinet where all of her school supplies
were and grabbed these scissors and, like, ended up above
her. And, she screamed and screamed and screamed. And then,
like, everyone's like, oh, what's going up?
>> Blaine (36:19):
Blah, blah, blah.
>> Taylor (36:20):
And there was nothing there. Well, then, like, the next morning,
she had to go back in that room to get her shoes, which were
next to the bed, and she found her school scissors
on the floor next to the bed. And, like, she was
so, like, the way she explained it, I did so bad
explaining it, but the way that she explained it, it was
terrifying. And I'm just sitting here like, I'm so
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sorry you experienced that, that lad.
oh, my gosh, a lot.
>> Blaine (36:45):
But no, my friend Kaylee, I had her on the show.
Hers wasn't as deep as that. She's definitely
had. She's seen some stuff while in sleep
paralysis, but I think that was about the extent of it.
I know she actually text me a few days
ago asking that if we wanted to have her back on, because she said some more
since she's that.
>> Taylor (37:03):
Would be so fun.
>> Blaine (37:04):
Since she's lived in New Orleans and has been
moved to a different state now. But. Yeah. Yeah. We've
had a couple people talk about it. I've never. I've
experienced, I don't think a sleep paralysis. But you get
that feeling.
>> John (37:16):
Yeah.
>> Blaine (37:16):
Where you want to. You want to say something, but you're, like,
too scared. Like, when you're a little kid, you're like, you want to call for your mom and dad
to come to your room to, like, turn on the lights because
something scared you, but you can't get the noise out. Is that. Is that sleep
paralysis? I don't.
>> Taylor (37:29):
Sleep paralysis is like. I mean, you can't
move, right?
>> John (37:33):
You cannot move at all.
>> Taylor (37:34):
Yeah, yeah. Like, your eyes, I don't think can
move, but you.
>> Blaine (37:39):
I've experienced that here.
>> John (37:40):
Right.
>> Blaine (37:41):
it was that night I told you where I heard three knocks come right down my
hallway and I.
>> Taylor (37:45):
Getting closer to your room.
>> Blaine (37:46):
Yeah. I, woke up and I woke up. I don't
even know for what reason I woke up. It was 3:00 in the morning.
3. 3 something. And as soon as
I woke up, all I could hear is
boom. From my living room. Boom. In my
kitchen, Boom. Right outside my bedroom door.
And then it stopped. And I just, like. I couldn't move for the life
of me. And all I could do is, like,
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muster up the courage to, like, move a
finger to, like, know that I was, like,
awakened experiencing this.
>> John (38:17):
Yeah. Yeah, that's. But
imagine, I talked to people who've had it
for 40 years every night.
>> Blaine (38:24):
Hell, I couldn't live like that.
>> John (38:25):
Yeah. How do you live like that? You can't, but
they do.
>> Blaine (38:29):
No, that's crazy.
>> John (38:30):
You know, God bless them. Because I couldn't.
>> Blaine (38:32):
Yeah.
>> John (38:33):
I couldn't. There's no way. So, staying with that.
What is the scariest story someone has told you
or you've heard from someone?
>> Taylor (38:40):
Kurtz.
>> Blaine (38:41):
Kurtz is pretty scary.
>> Taylor (38:42):
Yeah, he was like. He saw like, this figure with like, a
broken back crawling or something, but it was like
kind of him in an older sense.
>> Blaine (38:50):
Yeah. My friend Kurt, we had him on the show
in the earlier episodes and
he was telling us about how he had
moved into an
apartment in Manitwak and he had,
u experience this weird,
like, figure come out of
his bathroom. It was where he could explain it. It was like
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flannel button down, and
it had really long, I guess really.
>> Taylor (39:17):
Long hair covering its face and its back was
broken.
>> Blaine (39:21):
Yeah, it was like, crawling with like a, like, A weird
like shape crawling out of his bathroom. And he got pretty freaked
out by it. And he hadn't
owned it at the time, but a while, like a
year, a couple years or so later, months, whatever it was,
he found the flannel shirt, not
even thinking about it and bought it.
>> Taylor (39:40):
Yeah.
>> Blaine (39:41):
And now he has it. So he's wondering if he was seeing
like a really demented
liker version of.
>> Taylor (39:48):
Yeah, that one. Yeah, one really stuck to me.
>> John (39:51):
I really.
>> Blaine (39:52):
Tony's whole episode with us was
insane.
>> Taylor (39:56):
Tony's life is scary.
>> Blaine (39:57):
She got whipped around. We had a guest on the one
that experience the sleep paralysis with the
scissors. She owns this house and she got
like, supposedly got whipped around the
room.
>> Taylor (40:09):
Like attacked, like thrown.
>> Blaine (40:10):
She was thrown into like objects in her, in her room and
stuff. And I'm like, oh my God, how.
>> John (40:15):
Do you do that?
>> Blaine (40:15):
Like how do you, how are you living like this?
>> John (40:18):
Yeah,
that's. I mean she still lives in that house.
>> Taylor (40:23):
No, she got rid of that. But she lived for. She lived there for
10 years.
>> Blaine (40:26):
She lived there for 10 years. And she was excusive
constantly. I'm like, girl, she was kind of.
>> Taylor (40:31):
Like, she was trying her best. But the thing
was the room that all of that happened in, the room that she kept
feeling all this dark stuff was like in the path
of the bathroom. So she would like talk about doing
bird baths or like going in there and like running out
as fast as she could because she just couldn't handle it.
>> Blaine (40:48):
Yeah, she like the only access to like that
bathroom I guess was through that bedroom.
>> John (40:53):
Mm
>> Blaine (40:53):
It was. Her whole story was insane
to live like that for so long.
>> John (40:58):
I was like, so. Oh my God, I couldn't
even imagine that. And I've spoken to people of haunted
houses and
it'it's. Funny to
me, Blain and Tyler and Taylor that I
just, I'm like, wait a minute, you've been living
in this house? Oh, my grandpa lived in the house too. And my
dad'like three generations have lived in this haunted house. And they're
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like, hey, deal with it. Like
what? You know, it just, it's just mind blowing to
me. But one of the guys told me, he
goes, it's not what you're saying. He goes, first of all, it doesn't
happen all the time. So he goes, we'll go months
with nothing happened like min. But they
always said every time there was an electrical
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storm in the area, thunderstorm, major
thunderstorm. That's when the activity would shoot
up, really shoot up. Or I've heard, I don't know if you
guys have heard this but I heard this crazy story and
I've heard it like now three different times from three different
people where this married couple, they bought a
house and as soon as they went in the house they started
arguing, they started fighting, you know,
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I mean getting vicious, getting to the point where they
pull knives on each other, you know what I mean?
And then they, then they leave, go out to dinner
together, fine, loving, caring, no problem,
back into the house, same thing. And you
know one of those stories was that one
guy, he went to jail. One of the husbands, he was
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actually a brother in law of one of my guests. And what happened was
his wife was sleeping, she wakes up and there's
her husband over her with a knife,
standing over her with a nightife, while she was
sleeping, woke up, she freaks out, calluse
the cops, he gets arrested. He's actually
still in jail now and like he can't
remember doing that. He can't remember grabbing the knife,
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he can't remember anything. And when she talks to
him, he's. She goes no, you know,
that's something's that, it's the house, it's something in the
house. And she was convinced of that because you
know, she actually helped him get a lighter
sentence and everything like that and worked out some things
and now you know, he's, he's out of jail, I should
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say. And you know, obviously they're not
married anymore but they're great.
And this guy says yeah, he's the nicest guy ever
and they do great and you know, and
I'm like the.
>> Taylor (43:17):
House, whatever was there.
>> John (43:18):
Yeah. Have you ever heard anything like that? Have you ever heard where the house
is physically, obviously with your friend there,
but anything like that where there's just making people
angry and you know, the point of wanting to kill each other, I mean
that'just blows me away.
>> Blaine (43:31):
Do you feel we just had an episode dropp at the
time of recording this yesterday we talked about
Amityville. I don't think I believe the
story of Amityville. Yes, but that
sounds a lot like the story of Haityville.
>> John (43:45):
So you're looking the
house. I don't. I mean to interrupt. I'm sorry.
You're looking at the person who almost foughth the
Amityville Horror House. I was in
negotiations to buy it.
>> Blaine (43:58):
Dang.
>> John (43:59):
The reason I didn't buy it and I've told this story a million
times is because the real estate agent
told me it is not haunted. It's never
been haunted. They're lying. She knew.
She'd been doing real estate in
the area for over 30 years. She
has told me blatantly that the
DEO family were a bunch of
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crazy lunatics who were on
drugs to the mob. Everything was
terrible about that family. That is true. They
were a horrible people. And yes, there were
murders in that house, and yes, there were
something seen in that house. However, if you
go back and I didn't listen to this episodeuse I know it
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just kind of, just came out to listen to you guys episode.
What the real estate agent told me was people
were made that up. That kind of came out that it
was made up by the Lutzes and all this stuff. It's total
bullshit. And she knew that.
Yeah. And she's sl. Like, nothing's gonna
happen. She knew about all this stuff. And one of the
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things, you know, I've talked to people, and they're like, well, maybe she's
lying to you. Or. And I'm like, why would she lie to me? I made
it blatantly think, I will buy this house of
a haunted. I do not care. And she was
like, well, bad news, sweetie. I wish I could.
Ah. She actually passed away recently.
I was trying to get her on the podcast. She didn't
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want to because she thinks ghosts are bullshit. So maybe
that has something to do with it. I don't know. But the point was,
I interviewed people who lived at that house. I talked to
the past three owners of that house, and they want
nothing. And I, like, look, I get it if you guys
feel weird about it. You don't want to tell me, please
tell me. And they're like, zip, zero,
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nothing. So, like most. What you guys
have probably have heard is most ghost
entities, spirits, whatever you want to call them, usually
attach themselves to a person or object.
So therefore, if it was haunted,
maybe it was attached to one of the
Lutz'children to an object in the house.
I don't know. But I did go out and visit the
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house. I did go out and see it. It's gorgeous,
by the way. O my God. at this time,
this was years ago, it was going for a little over
$300,000 now. Good luck.
I think it's close to a mill. Anyway, it's
a beautiful house. I toured the house. I got
nothing. Not to say I'm sensitive. I got nothing. The
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owners were sweet, and I'm like, so why are you selling it? Is it ghost?
Is the demons? And they were like, no. Settled Down. They were
like, no, it's a
big house. It's an absolutely
huge house and you
need, man. I had two small kids at the
time. My wife, you need someone to help you with house.
And what's super annoying, the people
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had two paranormal investigators trying to break into the
house, which scared the shit out of them also.
They would wake up. Like this time the daughter woke
up and she's older now. When I, when I was there
and she said, I saw this guy just standing out on the
lawn and he's like talking to himself, just
sitting there with a camera talking to himself. And she said
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at that time she was like six. She's just freaking out.
Talk about that, you know, just freaking out.
And so she said that's what they hated. They
still got to this day where people would knock on their door, hey, I'll
give you a hundred bucks if I could go and we could do
an investigation overnight. They were like, no, this
is our house. Like go, you
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know, like give more.
>> Blaine (47:29):
Because that house is just iconic
now.
Yeah, it like because I, I went into it, I went
into the entire deep dive timeline
on how
DeFeo went to court, claim
with his lawyer, encouraged him to claim that
the devil made him do it. He was one of ah, he was apparently one
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of the first cases to do that. And then you
have the same lawyer talking with the
Lutz, trying to be like, you could make money off
of this.
>> John (47:59):
Correct.
>> Blaine (47:59):
Sell the rights, let them write the book, let them make the
movie, make the money. And even George
Lutz at the one of the premieres of the movie, he
had, he. A reporter had asked him, is this like, is
everything in this movie exactly how it happened? He's like, ah, well, I
mean the movie's scary, don't get me wrong. But what we experienced was
way worse. And like that's the quote that people run with all the
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time. But he doesn't go into detail about how it was wor.
Like, like I understand. Like if something did happen.
>> John (48:25):
Correct.
>> Blaine (48:25):
It's gonna leave you more traumatized and seeing
sensationalized version of it.
>> John (48:30):
Correct. Yeah.
>> Blaine (48:32):
Finding out the lawyer of DeFeo is like telling
him to do this.
>> John (48:36):
Yes, yes. And one thing I wanted to add too,
that I keep forgetting to add. The real estate agent
had been al loan in that house. Like, you know what I mean? Like
she's been alone in that house and she's like,
ah, the big house with creeks and crap. And
you know, and she told me point blank, I really don't believe
she. You know, she's a very spiritual woman, but she doesn't really
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believe in ghosts. And I'm like, okay, but when I toured it,
it was like, yeah, this is huge. Like,
this is a damn big house. Now, I do have people tell
me, john, you should have bought the house, charged like,
$5,000 to payor investigators
to investigate it. And then when they don't get anything or maybe they do
get something, like, you know, count the money. I'm like, yeah, I'm not
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that shady. I'm notnna do that.
And besides, my kids and my wife were at the time,
like, it's upstate New York, you know,
they were too thrilled about.
>> Blaine (49:27):
I have a question for you about that, though. Since you were
considering buying it when you had that. Those
talks, did you consider
putting the. The facade of
the house back to the way it was with the windows now?
Because they'changed Ah.
>> John (49:43):
So here's the thing. What I was going to do
was I was thinking about changing it
back just for the soul effect. I'm a spooky,
creepy guy. I like stuff like that. Right. I think
that I was told by
numerous people do not do that, who
are mediums, empath, psychic,
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whatever, as well as paranormal investigators. Because they
said, you're tempting fate. You know, they said,
you're kind. And they said, if there's something inside of
you, like we talked about, there's something inside of
you that brings this back or
brings something into the house that's completely different. You're kind of
like, you know, putting gasoline on a fire. So
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they were like, you better be careful. It's like you guys
did a thing about Ouija boards. I always tell people
about Ouija boards. Don't do it. Don't stop it.
You think it's a joke? It's not. Not a, joke.
>> Taylor (50:35):
Well, I don't think it's a joke, though. But I
also think, like, spirit_x is the exact same thing.
It is just a digital. Or like, it's radio instead
of, like, in front of you.
>> Blaine (50:45):
Like, three words. Don't do it.
>> John (50:48):
It's yes, three words. I get it,
Taylor.
>> Blaine (50:53):
Thank you.
>> Taylor (50:54):
I've already done it.
>> Blaine (50:56):
I know you have. I haven't.
>> John (50:57):
Wrong. Yeah, I have a quick story with that,
too. that I want to tell you how
that is a bad thing to do everyone. I don't know if it's you
guys. Like, it's your work where people know you're into the paranormal,
and they'll come up to you and be like, hey, u Taylor. Hey,
Blaine. You know, I just, I don't know. I think my house is
haund right. And we can talk about that in a little
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bit. But I used to have people like, I've made it known
to people and I'm a creepy guy. I
love paranormones. Spooky Halloween is one of
my favorite holidays. So one day when I was
a manager of this retail store, a young girl
came up to me, one of my clerks. And she said,
john, I think I have a really serious problem.
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And I'm like, oh, no. Cause usually when girls came up
to me, they would tell me they're pregnant. Not from me,
but they'tell me they're pregnant. And I'd be
like, why are you telling me? Go tell your
parentsuse. It was a small town where I was,
you know, at this par. Yeah, well, it's
a whole new thing, right? That's scarier than anything you could
imagine. Having a 17 year old girl come home and,
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you know, I'm a dad of, have a daughter and she come home
and tell me that. I'd be like. So she came to me and she said,
hey, John, this is what happened. We were playing with
a Ouija board in a cemetery.
Classic, right? What they said was why they
were playing the, Ouija board. They saw
shadow or a figure and they all ran.
They, they didn't close. Okay. They left it open.
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I said, okay, all right, so let's
go back and close it after work tonight, okay?
And great. So I drive her back to the
cemetery, we go in
and guess what? this is summertime.
So the, groundskeeper
had moed over the riji board
and it was totally destroyed, totally
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ripped the shreds by the, blond
track. So I said, okay,
well, I don't know what to do, you know,
I have no idea. So anyway, a couple weeks pass,
I'm thinking, you know, imagination, you know, they were
scared. It's one of those things you see what you know, there's a whole bunch
of theories out there that what people believe
they think is a ghost is just something in their mind. And that's a
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whole different topic. Anyway, a couple weeks later, the mother comes
and I'm like, oh shit. The mother's gonna be like,
you idiots. You're and my daughter. And you know,
whatever. And she goes, no, that didn't happen. She goes,
john, so my daughter tells me, you're in the paranormal.
You got toa help us. We're seeing shadows and
we're being physically attacked at her house. And
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I'm like, okay, like, what's going on?
And she's like, well, doors will slam. We'll see
shadow. She goes, I've been pushed. My daughter's been
pushed. We've had blankets ripped off of us. We've all
ah, this cold areas. And I'm like, you know, she goes, I
didn't really believe any of that's this paranormal stuff to this
st I said, okay, well, we're going to have to go
(53:49):
back to the cemetery by newuija board.
But I said, before I do that, I have friends
that I'm gonna call. So I called one of my medium friends and
she said, hang on, stop. Let me go with
you or you guys are gonna make this workse. So she's a
very nice lady and she came with us and we had to perform
this whole ceremony, you know, dealing with
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cleansing and all this stuff.
And, eventually closed everything and
luckily had a happy ending. And everybody's gone
on to have a good l.
But again, this medium, her name
was Sarah, very nice woman. She since passed away.
But she said to my, to the
mom and to my, you know, employee, don't ever
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play with huii board. They're ridiculous. You're
gonna, you're gonna. Something bad always
happens unless you have somebody, a professional
around you to do proper cleansing, proper closing
of it. And. But she goes, don't even do that. She
said'it's fact. Something's gonna terrible
happen. So that's just my
public service announcement that I do every time.
(54:53):
How aboutija?
>> Taylor (54:54):
At least I set myself like a level where I was like,
I won't play with the Ouija board. When I was pregnant. At least I set
that ground, that rule.
>> Blaine (55:01):
Oh, I'm, m so glad that was the barrier. That was like,
I don't want to do it now.
>> John (55:05):
Not my child.
>> Blaine (55:07):
Oh, my goodness gracious. I know you said that,
but still, laug fact was like, I'm not gonna do it while
I'm pregnant. No shit.
>> John (55:19):
So before we wrap up here, two things I want to
ask you guys. Kind of like a little
fun little list here. Just really a couple
questions. One, your
paranormal investigation bucket
list. If you could go anywhere in the world and
investigate any site, where would you go? You have
an unlimited open check. Where would you
(55:41):
go?
>> Taylor (55:42):
I want to go to the catacombs in Paris.
>> John (55:44):
O good one, good one.
>> Taylor (55:47):
I feel like there should be a lot happening there. Well,
there could be a lot.
>> John (55:51):
You know, they have sealed a lot of those Areas
off because of that one video. I don't know if you guys saw about
that guy. I don't know if it's true, but a guy
investigating and then drops the camera, and you just see him running
off. And they totally never fed the guy. you
guys tell me.
>> Taylor (56:07):
I know they don't allow people in there at night.
They're like, you will get arrested and this and
that if you go past visiting hours.
>> John (56:15):
And why would you like to do that, Taylor?
>> Taylor (56:18):
I think there's just, like, I don't know,
all the bones and all the skeletons. And I'm just, like, thinking
if people or if, like, spirits are stuck to the
body in any way, there could be something
there. And there's thousands
of bodies down there, and I just
think that would be insane and scary.
>> John (56:38):
Yeah. Yeah. All right, Blaine.
>> Blaine (56:40):
You know, I was originally gonna
say Alcatraz just because of how
secluded it is. I'm changing it now. I would
love to investigate some of the spots of the
Hellfires club over in Ireland. Oh, yeah,
because those stories of,
like, them personally seeing the
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devil just so fascinating to me.
>> Taylor (57:03):
You know, if I want to go to, like, America, like,
US wise, the, Winchester.
>> Blaine (57:08):
Winchester would be cool. Winchester, you got, like, those really
big spots, like the. The very like. I want to go to the Wind Chest.
I want to go to Waverly Hills Penurst.
>> Taylor (57:16):
If that. If, that one place wasn't torn down.
>> Blaine (57:19):
I can't remember that one place.
>> John (57:21):
The bar. The Bobby mackeie's.
>> Taylor (57:25):
Yes.
>> Blaine (57:25):
Ye.
>> Taylor (57:26):
Thank you.
>> John (57:27):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Blaine (57:28):
And now. Well, a good chunk. That's now in
Las Vegas.
>> John (57:32):
Yeah, yeah. With that. Zach. Zach
Baggin Waag. Whatever.
Did you.
>> Blaine (57:40):
You seen the one that he did about his haunted museum?
>> John (57:42):
That was the next one I was gonna listen to. I am not a
fan. I'm gonna tell you guys straight. So if that's like
that episode Love.
>> Blaine (57:50):
Painted in a very positive light. No,
it's very opinionated. But it's also the fact of, like,
if we were to go, we'd probably check it out. Like, we
were go to Las Vegas. That'd be the first spot we go to.
>> John (58:02):
Okay? So I'm gonna give you guys fair warning.
You're more than welcome to go. Obviously, one of my guests have
been to it. her and her husband, they were like,
are you serious? I really money
on this. So one of
one. A couple of things he has there
is the staircase. You guys have to
(58:22):
do an episode on this. Normally, I do not tell
people you have to do something, but
Indiana, that demon House
in Indiana where Zach Baggins did
the investigation. And supposedly he
went blind from the demon and one of
his crew members was possessed by a
demon. But there's stories From
(58:44):
Firen cops, EMTs,
doctors who, CPS workers,
yesah. Crazy stories
about how all the thing this woman said
was true. it's a movie on Netflix and they called it something
else. I've not watched it yet. But anyway,
she was trying to make. Yeah, yeah,
(59:04):
yeah, yeah. And it's.
Anyway, so he has the staircase from
that house. And so you go in there and
it's really cheesy. You know, they have voices like, this
is the, this is the cauldron where
Ed Gean decomposed all the
bodies in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, go ahead.
>> Taylor (59:24):
So I was gonna say the episode, since you said that
was next, you have to watch it because it is me
shitting on Zach and his museum. Like, I go down from
like most believable to. This is a fucking
joke of items.
>> Blaine (59:37):
Yeah.
>> Taylor (59:37):
And my gosh. And I, I get into
character.
>> Blaine (59:41):
It's a thing. If you listen to it on Spotify. If
you listen to it on Spotify or watch it on
YouTube. If you, if you listen to on Apple, obviously you're not going
to get the video feed, but we upload the video feed to
Spotify and obviously our YouTube
channel dresses up,
like Zach.
>> Taylor (59:58):
But my name is Yak Sa.
>> Blaine (01:00:00):
We called her Yak Sagins and we
made another Tik tok on our last while we were doing some
downtime. It was very funny and I
I. It's so funy. Yeah.
>> Taylor (01:00:10):
Ah, we really. On Zach Baggins and his museum and the
items he has in there.
>> Blaine (01:00:14):
Yeah. We talk about the divbit box and how that story'pret
fake.
>> Taylor (01:00:17):
Absolute Legosi's mirror. I
It is not a true thing. And it is
ridiculous how he is just
sensationalizing.
>> John (01:00:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I
just, you know, and I don't mind
that he made money. You know, I get it.
If you can make money off, God bless you,
you know, fine. But don't make
it like every paranormal investigator I've talked to
you. You guys are probably the same way tell me if I'm wrong
(01:00:47):
is you don't go into a house and start screaming, hey,
man, come out. I'm not scared of you. Like
what? Like, what do you. What are you doing?
>> Blaine (01:00:55):
No, I don't think we've ever done. We've never started
it off that way.
>> Taylor (01:00:59):
No.
>> John (01:01:00):
Right.
>> Blaine (01:01:01):
I've got pretty heated in spots, but I've Never started out
right.
>> John (01:01:04):
But yeah, yeah, I get it. But you're not
like. I don't know, whatever the. How stupid
stuff he does. It's unbelievable.
Whatever. but anyway, thank you guys. This hour
has flown by. You guys are amazing.
We didn't even get to the topic so I'm gonna have to have you guys
back on because I was gonna do a topic with you guys
(01:01:24):
about a haunted location. Very famous haund location.
So I'll have to have you guys back on and
before we.
>> Taylor (01:01:31):
Yah.
>> Blaine (01:01:32):
Is this the secret one you were.
>> John (01:01:34):
Going to tell us before? Ye. Yeah, I'll keep it a secret. I'll keep it
a. I love you guys.
>> Blaine (01:01:39):
You guys back we went too long.
>> John (01:01:40):
We. We jib a jabbing jipid j. Oh, this
is awesome. This is awesome.
So what do you have guys have coming out for my spooky
friends? What can they look forward to podcast
wise?
>> Blaine (01:01:51):
I don't know when you plan on releasing
this?
>> John (01:01:55):
about a couple weeks.
>> Blaine (01:01:56):
In a couple weeks. Okay. So by then we'll have had
whatever podcast episodes we had banked up.
>> Taylor (01:02:01):
which are the two.
>> Blaine (01:02:02):
Yep.
>> Taylor (01:02:03):
Game show podcast would probably be out.
>> Blaine (01:02:05):
That'll already be out. Yeah.
>> Taylor (01:02:06):
Darn.
>> Blaine (01:02:07):
Because yeah, we. We interviewed
at Obviously I'm gonna say at the time of recording this, but we
interviewed one of the writers for Haunted us where they go around
and they talk about ye. We talked to one of them
and we talked about Ana,
Ekland's possession story.
>> Taylor (01:02:24):
The game.
>> Blaine (01:02:25):
I love that one game show that we were telling you about before
we started where I might. I put my paranormal
career on the line and I definitely did do well.
Spoiler. But other than that, we're pretty much.
>> Taylor (01:02:37):
Focused on the TV series or the. Ah,
yeah.
>> Blaine (01:02:41):
we got picked up by a new streaming
platform called Dark Realm tv. You can find it
on Roku and Amazon Fire tv.
And we are. We're in the middle of producing a new
six episode first season and we're
now wrapping up on m. The fourth one right
now. We're filming our fourth location
right now.
>> John (01:03:02):
Awesome.
>> Blaine (01:03:03):
Yeah.
>> John (01:03:03):
and then let me ask you this really quick for my spooky friends out
there. If they wanted to get a hold of you, if
maybe they know someone and this is about
a residence and they think you know something's going
on, how would they get a hold of you? You know, this is
obviously you. I imagine you guys don't travel outside
of Wisconsin. Probably try to keep it close. Right?
>> Taylor (01:03:23):
I mean we've traveled to Illinois. Blaines traveled to
Minnesota. We've traveled to Indiana once.
>> Blaine (01:03:29):
But I mean, if people want to get a hold of us, I think the easiest way to do
it is through our email. You can email us at, ghostsn.
>> Taylor (01:03:35):
Usmail.Com or hit us up on
Instagram.
>> Blaine (01:03:38):
Any of our social media platforms were anywhere we.
There's a social media platform. We're at ghost and us. We keep
it very simple. Hit us up in the DMs, we'll.
>> Taylor (01:03:47):
Get the notification quick and we'll be like, oh my gosh,
people.
>> Blaine (01:03:50):
Yeah, yeah, I think
if you, if you, if you want to find us anywhere at
Ghosts. In us. Ghosts is plural
and, and displled though.
>> John (01:04:00):
So there you go.
>> Blaine (01:04:01):
Yeah, our email is probably the easiest otherwise, but.
>> John (01:04:04):
Okay, great. Well, again, thank you so much
for doing this. I really appreciate it. It's always, like
I said, super fun, especially talking
about, you know, all these different things, like,
you know, crazy story and there's so many other stories
and that's what I tell my spooky friends.
Don't be ashamed. Don't think we're gonna think you're crazy.
(01:04:24):
and just. It's good to get out of your system,
right? It's good to tell somebody. Like I saw
a ghost, you know, when I was 8 years old and
it kind of freaked me out. And now I'm scared of,
I don't know, horror movies or I'm scared of this
or, or like in Taylor's case, her head
spinning around talking to a clown in
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her room.
>> Taylor (01:04:48):
What's, what's so funny is like, like
that, all of that and stuff. But when I was younger, I was
terrified of the Exorcist. Reagan scared the shit
out of me.
>> John (01:04:57):
Yeah, scared that shit out of everybody.
>> Taylor (01:05:01):
Talk to a clone.
>> John (01:05:03):
That's pretty damn scary.
>> Blaine (01:05:04):
You know, Thisosed to John Wayne Gacy.
>> John (01:05:06):
No thanks, guys. this is.
>> Blaine (01:05:08):
Thank you for having us.
>> John (01:05:10):
No, it's wonderful. Like I said, I'll have you guys back on. We'll have to
talk about the secret haunted. Well, ain't secret, but
it's a nice haunted place that I think you guys
should go and investigate one of these
days.
>> Blaine (01:05:22):
Heck yeah.
>> John (01:05:23):
Awesome.
All right, thanks guys. Love you. Andk you.
We'll talk later. Sounds good by. Bye.
>> Blaine (01:05:29):
Bye.
>> John (01:05:30):
Spooky.
M hello, my spooky friends, and welcome to another episode of
Dairyland Frights, the paranormal podcast that
covers everything spooky, creepy, and
mysterious in the Midwest and beyond.
And today, I am super excited because I
got what I call people from
my state of Wisconsin, Parisconis, who
(00:32):
are into the paranormal and love talking about the paranormal.
And I have a Blaine and
Tailr from Ghost and Us Podcasts.
>> Blaine (00:40):
Yay.
>> John (00:41):
Welcome.
>> Blaine (00:50):
Who.
>> John (00:50):
And like I said, we are from Wisconsin. I've
interviewed from P.E. wisconsin. And what I love
about P From Wisconsin is that we
have such a. I don't know, a, weird
conglomerate of, like, haunted
stories, paranormal stories,
cryptids, mysteries. And, you know,
(01:10):
it's funny because I just had on the podcast one
of my favorite states and cities to
visit in the paranormal. Savannah, Georgia.
And, like, literally everything is haunted there.
But one thing we talked about is in
Wisconsin, you could be sleeping on an Indian
burial ground and probably don't know it, right?
>> Taylor (01:31):
Yeahe.
>> John (01:32):
Wisconsin got everything right, right?
Like effigy mounds. Like, literally there
are places all over Wisconsin where you probably can
go camping and then don't realize you're sleeping on
the bones of
Indian Native American ancestors.
And, you're probably gonna get cursed, but, you know, that's okay as
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long.
>> Taylor (01:52):
As you enjoy your camping.
>> John (01:53):
Exactly. If you bring a demon home,
what's the big deal, right, guys? I mean, come
on.
>> Blaine (01:59):
I deal demons every day. As soon as I'm about to use
the bathroom.
>> John (02:04):
Well, those are different. The demons, the.
Why you guys.
Why did t you guys introduce yourself and, talk a little bit about
your podcast? Yeah.
>> Blaine (02:14):
you want me to go first? Okay. well, I'm Blaine.
I don't know if that was obvious or not. I mean, could be a
girl's name, too. I don't know.
>> Taylor (02:21):
Taylor. Could be a boy's name.
>> Blaine (02:22):
Well, I'm Blain, and, I.
Taylor and I have been best
friends since we were in fifth grade and that we've
known each other for almost 18
years now. Yeah, there we.
I don't know, like, we just like to have fun,
talk ghosts, talk spooky things. I'm trying not to
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ramble, to be honest with you, but, like, we just like to talk
about spooky stuff, and we like to hear other people'spooky stuff. And that was
the basis of why I start the podcast for us
was as I like hearing people's ghost stories. And
that's what it originally started as throughout our first
season, and it was just me and one
person, and we would just sit down, they would
tell me their story, that it was meant. It's. It's meant to be a
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safe space for people. Like, I don't want people.
>> John (03:07):
Yeah.
>> Blaine (03:08):
To come in and feel like what they're telling me and go,
oh, my gosh. You know, you probably think I'm crazy.
>> John (03:13):
No.
>> Blaine (03:14):
Like, this is a space where I want you to be. I
want you to feel free to be open.
>> John (03:18):
You don't.
>> Blaine (03:18):
You can be as open as you want. You can be as closed off as you want. That's
why I originally started the podcast. But we are
mainly paranormal ghost hunters.
Yeah, before we are podcasters,
we. We like shooting, we do
episodic ghost hunts. And I have
way more fun putting those together because I can show off
a more, I don't know, fun, talented
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editing ability than I. The podcast has meant for
us to be a fun, fun, easy content
to make.
>> Taylor (03:47):
Except when I'm trying to say names.
>> Blaine (03:49):
Yeah, you.
>> Taylor (03:49):
Yeah, I suck at saying names so much.
>> Blaine (03:52):
That's Taylor.
>> John (03:53):
Are you a mush mouth like I am? Taylor, you know
where you're just like, blah, blah, I can't say
yes.
>> Taylor (03:59):
Oh, yes. I'll sit there and I'll struggle and I'll try to, like, say it
a couple times, and then I'll look at Blaine and he'll be like, taylor,
this is how you say it. And I'll try again and I'm like,
nope, doesn't work.
>> Blaine (04:09):
Yeah, well, we just did an episode. We
actually, before being on here, we did an episode, a game
show style episode. And one of the. One of
the questions Taylor posed to me is, what. What is, a potiac.
>> Taylor (04:21):
It's a Ponton
Exact.
>> Blaine (04:25):
This is what I deal with every. Every time we do an episode.
>> John (04:28):
Is this Lane, I feel for you.
>> Blaine (04:30):
No, better.
>> John (04:31):
Okay.
>> Blaine (04:31):
I just act like an asshole. Although I probably am
one. No, I'm just like, no, it. Like, like when she'll
say a name. Like we were talking about Pati ery in one of them
and you. You mispronounced Negry's last name and I was like, no,
it's Pati ery. And she'like okay. And then we just like,
continued on. Yeah, but like
that Gohes. I couldn't tell you what that was either.
>> Taylor (04:51):
I guess I just kept saying, not the Pontiac, not
the car, and the very.
>> Blaine (04:55):
And then he. He called it a day.
>> John (04:57):
I love it. I love it. so
Taylor, how about you? Kind of the same thing. I'm guessing like
paranormal and.
>> Taylor (05:04):
Yeah, we actually Started doing like our investigations
because, like, I invited Blaine to go do this
asylum tour, which now he gets to like
participate and volunteer and lead these tours.
But I invited him to go with us to check it out.
And after that he was like, oh my God, Taylor, I
love ghost hunting. And then we started and
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it was amazing.
>> Blaine (05:26):
Yeah, we u. Right before the
pandemic, you and your husband
were doing an anniversary thing and we went to the Door County
Trolley tour.
>> Taylor (05:35):
Oh yeah. That was horrible.
>> John (05:37):
I love that tour. Yeah, yeah, you.
Oh, we same.
>> Blaine (05:42):
We are not the same.
Ok. O my go A photograph. They handed on
a photograph in ours. Maybe it was just our group, I don't
know. But our guide was super nice. He
was very energetic. That is not what I'm faulting here.
What I'm faulting is handing out a photograph of a shadow from
a mannequin and posing it off as a ghost.
>> Taylor (06:01):
Yeah, but I mean that. Okay, so that
was the beginning of the tour. So that just kind of like set
the tone. Yeah, it really ruined the rest of it for us.
But like the stories they were saying and like
history and like lo. That's cool. But just
that photo really messed it up.
>> John (06:17):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Blaine (06:18):
But, yeah, no, no, no, that was it.
Yeah.
>> John (06:22):
yeah, because see, I like, I. We
got a really nice, older gentleman
had he. And actually had him on the podcast,
last year. And like he knew everything
backwards and forwards and he was not like
trying to like he didn't show that shadow
thing. That's kind of weird. he didn't really show anything
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other than he sent me pictures
after the interview and
of some o. Could be a ghost in a
window. Could be whatever. But I said I,
put on my Instagram some interesting pictures they sent
me that people took, during the
tour and Interesting, you know,
kind of. It gives you pause to see what it could be. One was
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like a mist, and one was like.
Looked like a little boy looking out of a window. Like, you know,
from like 1800s.
>> Blaine (07:13):
Yeah. Our guide. And I'm not. I do not fault him at all.
He was very energetic. Super like, he
seemed really nice. It was. He handed out the photo
to the group and we were passing it along. We were at one of the.
I don't remember which house we were at.
>> Taylor (07:26):
It was at like a little small house that was like surrounded
by other.
>> Blaine (07:31):
Bunch of bars and yeah. Stuff on one of the main
streets. But we. He had passed it around
and I looked at Taylor. I was like, I'M going toa ask him this
because this seems really weird, and I didn't want to, like, be
rude about it, obviously, because, like, that's not
cool. So I'm looking, and I was like, you can, like.
I asked him which one of the figures that we're looking at in this
photo, and he pointed to it, and I was like, you can
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see. You can see the line of which, like, here's the
mannequin. You can see the line from the shadow where the light
would hit it, and then it would, like, go against the wall here. And I'm like, I
think I just debunked this. I m. Don't
know. Like, I felt really bad. I was like, what do I
do? Like, do I say something? Do I not. I don't know. I. I don't think I did.
>> Taylor (08:11):
Oh.
>> Blaine (08:11):
So I was just like, oh, this really?
But I will say the history and everything else was
very cool. I do not want to fault that. I just.
I wasn't a fan of theah.
>> John (08:22):
Yeah. And, you know, that's. I've been on, let me see,
about 15 ghost tours all over the
country. Some are done really well, and some are done,
like, by a teenager who's just got his
adult voice. Hi. The. Today we're gonna look
at ghost in it. And you're like, stop.
Stop it. Just. I paid 35 bucks for this.
You know what I mean? And you're like, I pa 35 bucks,
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you know? No, that was. Let me see.
That one was in, Texas, I
believe in Houston. Had just this teenager driving
us around in a van. And Jesse was sketchy
from the starth.
>> Blaine (08:57):
Geez.
>> John (08:58):
Hey. We're all looking at each other like, are we being
kidnapped? Are they gonna harvest our organs? Like, what
is. It was bad. It was bad.
So it was bad.
>> Taylor (09:08):
The reason why I wanted to do the door county ghost tour thing
was because a year or two before that, my husband and I
did a, ghost tour in the Dems. And it was
amazing. We loved it. And I was like, oh,
we got to do more. These will all be great.
And then, there was that one.
>> John (09:23):
Yeah, it's. It's hit or miss. Yeah,
it's hit or miss. I. Yeah, go ahead.
>> Blaine (09:29):
No, I just. It was just that photo went. Having,
like, seen it in person on the tour and
him, like, being super, like, adamant about it.
I'm just like, yeah, well.
>> Taylor (09:39):
And then standing and looking in the.
>> Blaine (09:40):
Building where the photo was, you can, like, walk up
to. We were able to walk up to the window. And look, I was like, yeah, right. There's the
mannequin. See how, like, it's the same lights hitting this thing? I'm like,
man, that. That sucks.
>> John (09:52):
That's awesome.
So tell me, I'll start with you, Taylor.
Tell me about your first paranormal experience.
>> Blaine (09:58):
You got a few.
>> Taylor (10:01):
Oh, okay. Well.
>> John (10:03):
Well, we got.
>> Taylor (10:03):
Trying to think o.
>> Blaine (10:05):
She's got. She's had more than I have.
>> Taylor (10:07):
Ah, it's been pretty much my whole life.
>> John (10:09):
Okay, go ahead.
>> Taylor (10:11):
So the one that I can remember the most when I was
younger, I was like, seven or eight maybe, there
was always, like, this little boy spirit that I would see outside of
the house. He would never come in the house, but he would
always sit outside where I, like, I could go to any window and I'd
see him, like, justoo, like, getting, like, my
vision. And, I called him Dingo. I don't know why
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that's the name I gave him. But, yeah, he never
came inside. But he would follow me other places, and he would go
inside the buildings of other places, just not in my
house. And, my mom, when she passed away,
I stopped seeing him. And then my
family was telling me that my mom used to have a little
boy spirit follow her around. So we're just
kind of like, assuming, okay, he's gone because
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my mom is gone. And, like, yeah,
otherwise, the only other experience I could remember of being, like,
a little kid is, like, talking to a clown in a corner.
That's about it.
>> John (11:04):
Okay, let's go on that one. A clown, Like a
dow or like.
>> Blaine (11:08):
You'Ve opened up the worms.
>> Taylor (11:09):
My parents were always terrified of just,
like, seeing me in a corner, and I'm just like. I'm talking
to my friend, and they're like, what does your friend look like? And
I'm like, he has crazy hair, and it's like a clown. And they're
like, no, they hated
that. And I would just do that all the time.
>> John (11:27):
And then your head spins around. Yes, mother.
You just float above the covers. Hello,
mot.
>> Taylor (11:33):
Oh, my goodness.
>> Blaine (11:34):
You vom.
>> John (11:35):
Be awesome. Please do that. Please do that.
>> Taylor (11:37):
I mean. I mean, I've had some, like, super
crazy.
>> Blaine (11:41):
Yeah, if we're gonna. If you're gonna do that now, do it on this podcast. He
would really like that.
>> Taylor (11:46):
Like, super crazy experiences
where, like, I've had mirrors shatter on me out of nowhere.
like, I would be super, super
emotional and, like, just have so much, like,
sadness and anger and all that. And I'd be crying and all of a
Sudden, like I had a body mirror explode on me
from behind. And then there was another time
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where I just watched it and it just spok,
blame.
>> John (12:10):
Are you okay with that?
>> Blaine (12:12):
Why wouldn't I be. Would be doing this if I wasn't?
>> John (12:14):
Check it.
>> Blaine (12:14):
We've been investigating for the last four years.
If I wasn't okay with it, I probably wouldn't be
doing.
>> John (12:21):
That's all right. and mirrors. Do you mean like in your
house or.
>> Taylor (12:25):
Yeah, in my house. Just
like two body mirrors just exploded on me.
>> John (12:31):
Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. I'm trying to wrap my
mind around this. Do you mean, like, shatter? Like,
just shatter and like, kind of fall apart
or like shatter, like, turn into little pieces
and, you know,
>> Taylor (12:43):
It would, like, shatter as if someone, like, took a nail and went.
And it would, like, break and then pieces would fall.
So it wasn't like, explosive,
like glass dust or anything. It was chunks
of mirror that would just fall.
>> Blaine (12:56):
Yeah, like if you took a hammer to it.
>> Taylor (12:59):
Yeah.
>> John (13:00):
And this is, this is. This is when you were
emotional.
>> Taylor (13:04):
Yeah. So the first time was like, I was
really emotional because it was my first time moving out of my
dad's and like, just becoming an adult.
And I don't know, I was just really beat up about
it, and the mirror was behind
me and it just shattered all over.
And I was like, well, what the heck? And then years
later, it was like a breakup, but it was
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like a really, really toxic relationship. And
I was sitting on the bed and the mirror was like
8, 10ft away from me, in front of me,
and I was just broken down,
crying so hard. And then I just saw it go. Then.
>> John (13:40):
Yeah, that's.
That's interesting. I have not heard
that before.
>> Taylor (13:48):
Those were the only two times I've had something like that
happen because thank God I don't get that
emotional anymore.
>> John (13:54):
That's good. Yeah. any shadow people
associated with that? Any shadows? Did
you see anything like that, at those times?
>> Taylor (14:03):
No, I didn't see. It was only when I was
really just beat up. However, during those times when
that, like, during that time period of that stuff happening
and I would visit my dad and stay the night or
something. He's like, taylor, I can't sleep when you're like this.
Because he would say, like, he felt something in his
bedroom as I'm like, crying in a different room or
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whatever. And.
>> John (14:24):
Yeah, interesting.
>> Taylor (14:26):
That's all I have for that.
>> John (14:28):
That's. That's something. So I've
interviewed A number of. Whether you believe it or not,
they're fascinating people, mediums,
psychic impasse, stuff like that, who could
probably. There is one woman I'm going to be
interviewing next week who can basically
look at you and tell you like if you have
demons, evil spirits, stuff like that.
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And she can tell you like just by looking at, by
looking at you. And I think that's fascinating
and maybe I should have you back on the show and ever
look at you and probably scream, no, I. Just
kidding.
That's, that's, that's fascinating. Thank you for sharing
that. I got blame. Can you top it?
>> Blaine (15:11):
No, I can'what.
>> Taylor (15:13):
S the first paranormal experience?
>> Blaine (15:15):
So, yeah, I grew, I grew up as an only child. I
mean my, my house was, I would never
say my house was haunted. The only thing that I
can, I can't explain like thinking back
on it is I would be in my, my
bedroom sleeping. I would wake up in the middle of
the night and I would hear like talking through the
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wall because my bedroom's on the opposite side of what my
parents living room. Iseah.
And I can only explain like it'just sounds like
mumbling. I can hear tone, I can hear like,
like that. But I couldn't make out what it was saying.
But when you would focus on it and you try to like really
listen to it, it would stop. So I don't know if maybe it was
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just like me, you know, my brain just being weird.
I don't know. I can't explain it. I didn't have a
paranormal experience until
we started doing this. I was just really
fascinated by ghosts. And I'm like, I mean
there's got to be something. Like too many people have had an
experience to not say there's anything in my opinion.
But I didn't have an experience until
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I was, it was right after we had
done a private location
and we had come back. I was getting up for work
on a Monday and I was working
10 hour shifts. It's 4:30 in the morning.
I go to my bathroom and as soon as I
walk into the threshold of my bathroom,
I see a shadow figure walk in the
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mirror that's above, like it's a medicine cabinet
mirror. I saw it walk through there towards my shower and I
thought, wow, my eyes are playing tricks on me.
It's got toa be my shadow. Like that's the only
explanation I could, I could think of. Like the medicine cabinet is
open, whatever. I'm tired and I went about my
day. But I couldn't stop thinking about it
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all day until I went home after work.
I stood in the threshold of the bathroom again in
daylight. And I couldn't recreate it.
And I'm like, okay, the medicine cabinet must have been open. I went
to go open it and it opens this way. And if I would
have seen it, it would have had to have open the opposite way.
>> John (17:18):
Yeah.
>> Blaine (17:19):
So I can't explain that to me. I saw a Chadel
person in my bathroom.
And m. I've. Since I've moved into this space,
this office that we're in right now, this little area, it's in
my apartment. I've actually got two objects that
allegedly have an attachment to it. And when I first
moved in, I was seeing figures walking around here all
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the time.
>> John (17:41):
Wow.
>> Blaine (17:42):
To the point where I. If I'm coming in here,
I'll say, hey guys, I'm gonna be in here for a little while. I'm gonna
work on some stuff. And then I go about my business. I'm
sitting in this office chair right now. I'm looking out the door, which is
like right over here in front of me. And I happen to look up
and I see someone walking in my kitchen.
Like, I'll see things all the time here, but it
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doesn't bug me. Like I don't feel any
sense of, you know, it's just roommates, anxiety or things
like that. I don't feel anything negative or bad. So I
just kind of like, all right, you're here, Cool. And then when
I leave out the office, like, all right guys, have a good night. I'll shut the
door and I'll be like, that's it. I'll hear weird noises
at night, but that's it.
>> John (18:21):
Interesting. That's interesting that you don't feel
dread or anything like that crack.
>> Blaine (18:26):
You don't know the objects that I have. I don't. One
could be said maybe for the helmet that I have, I have a fire
helmet tailor. Are you able to grab that maybe? Because I don't know where it
is.
>> John (18:35):
I'm
>> Blaine (18:35):
Over here. I can't see. We have this room pretty dark right now.
I have a chair that I got from my grandmother.
>> John (18:41):
Yeah.
>> Blaine (18:41):
And I thought it was my great aunt before she had died.
She. It turns out it was one of her neighbors who had passed away in the
chair. And I've gotten some weird spirit box answers on
it and take it or leave it with what you will, but I've used
an SLS camera and I've gotten a stick Figure that like fell out of
the chair and it was on the floor and it was
crawling and I said, get back in the chair. And it went. Got back in the
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chair and it disappeared. Yeah, and I have that on footage.
It's actually on our. Our TIKTK page. But this helmet
I actually got for helping out with
u the Fox Valley ghost hunters before we
really got started. And they had never done a private location
before, so I was helping him out. This guy who owned this, he
said that he bought and sold storage units.
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And he was telling us that he got a weird vibe off of this. This
fireman helmet. He tried looking out the info on it and I've
even tried looking it up and I've never been able to find anything on it. I
thought at first it was like a costume helmet, but it's like
actual like fireman quality. Like
this is what you would wear. And u. As soon as he was telling
us about it, goosebumps shot up both of his arms as he was holding
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it. And then at the end of the night, we were
investigating his place because he's got a. A, grandchild who
was living with him and he wanted to make sure that the kid was going toa be all right.
And of course you want to, you know, take that precaution.
But we. So we did an esta session with this
outside and you know, take that for what you will. I enjoy doing
the method. the questions that were
asked by my friends who are part of Fox Valley said,
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what's in front of blamee? What's the object? And what do you
want us to do with it? And my answers were in succession.
What's in front of Blaine? An object. What's the object?
Helmet. What do you want us to do with the helmet? Take it
away.
>> John (20:17):
Hm.
>> Blaine (20:18):
And, @ the end of the night, we told him that and he goes, all right, what do you want
to do with the helmet? And I was like,
I guess I'm stuck with it now. Yeah, no, but it's been here and
I don't get the same feeling from it, so.
>> John (20:30):
But, that's why I say it's allegedly. Yeah,
yeah. Because it's whatever imprinted
upon an object. Because, you know, again,
energy just doesn't go away. It will
imprint on very various things, negative or
positive. I do not like
cursed owls. They freake me out.
So, I will never have a cursed object
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in this house. But, I think it'd be interesting.
>> Taylor (20:56):
I have, I have, yeah, two. Two
dolls for sure. That have something. And then my little
knickknacks.
>> Blaine (21:02):
I wouldn't say they curse, though.
>> Taylor (21:04):
Oh, no, not cursed. Just. They have something with them. Yeah,
they're my children.
>> John (21:08):
Thanks a lot. They
just here them. How can
you keep them? They just freake me out. Like, you have no
problem.
>> Taylor (21:17):
So. Funny story. I'm also terrified
adults.
>> Blaine (21:21):
But she loves buying them.
>> Taylor (21:23):
But I really like these. I just look at them and I'm like, I feel
something with you. and then I have them.
>> John (21:29):
Okay.
>> Blaine (21:31):
Like thrift.
>> Taylor (21:31):
Yeah. I find a doll each time. Try to.
>> Blaine (21:35):
She has so many. And she goes, I hate
God.
>> John (21:39):
Yeah. Yeah. They're just so freaky. They're just so
freaky.
Anyway,
tell me about you guys favorite investigation so
far that you've gone on. And where was it?
>> Taylor (21:52):
It keeps changing for me.
>> Blaine (21:54):
B. Recency bias.
>> John (21:56):
Okay. We.
>> Blaine (21:57):
We just started a new show
on. On a streaming service that we're in the middle of
filming it. Ah. And editing it.
N. We went to the Pine Lawn
Manor in Sumner, Illinois.
>> Taylor (22:09):
Terrifying.
>> Blaine (22:10):
We didn't even investigate the actual
Pine Lawn Manor building. We only were in
the Sumner Rehab.
>> Taylor (22:17):
And Care center and called it quits.
>> Blaine (22:19):
That. That place has some. I don't want
to curse on your show. That place has some.
>> John (22:24):
Go ahead. You can curse on my show.
>> Blaine (22:26):
That place has got some dark shit, man.
>> Taylor (22:29):
Very bad juju in some, like, parts.
>> Blaine (22:32):
That place has stories, of sexual
assault, neglect, ah,
malpractice. That place. You. You think anything
bad about that place? That they probably have done it.
That place is dark. we were talking with
the owner. He was showing us around and we only made it through
the rehab and care center. We were.
>> Taylor (22:51):
We got to. Well, I. I don't know about Blaine. I think
he was just trying to.
>> Blaine (22:55):
Feel on to the next building. We were just. I didn't want
to force you to do something you didn't want to do because I could tell we were both
getting on Ed.
>> Taylor (23:01):
I was so scared where I was like, I'm done.
I can't do this anymore.
>> Blaine (23:06):
It was to the point we thought somebody had broken. We
were. We. The owner was going to come over to the
rehabbing care center and he was going to bring us over to the Pine Lawn
Manor building itself because we were going to do a
challenge where one of us is strapped to a
wheelchair and it's in the most haunted wing of this.
Of this building. where like, a lady was doing
witchcraft and like, sacrificing cats and shit.
(23:29):
Yeah.
>> Taylor (23:29):
Yeah.
>> Blaine (23:30):
So we werenna. It was going Toa be that challenge and Taylor
was not okay with it. And I had done the other challenge
in the rehab center and we didn't get anything really. We got
one voice through u spirit box but
we, we didn't get anything there. So I was like I'll do the other one.
I'll. I'll just take care of it. Well, we're reviewing the
footage to show the owner a thing that we heard and we
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couldn't explain. So we're looking for the footage and I didn't have a
single camera ro onling and I kicked myself in the ass
every day since because I'm like why didn't I have one going?
>> Taylor (23:58):
What we heard was like some kind of furniture, like
heavy moving.
>> Blaine (24:02):
Sounded like someone. A big ass desk
and just like you heard it scuff the floor of
like, like
someone was pushing a desk. We heard that loud
and were like what the hell. So we
literally were walking up and down the building and
Taylor had saw a shadow figure walk into
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a room and it was solid enough.
>> Taylor (24:25):
It was not a shadow, it was a full. It was an
apparition for sure.
>> Blaine (24:29):
Figure it was, it was solid. We
thought some. She said we thought somebody broke in.
So I handed her my camera and I. And I grabbed a broom and I
was like I saw red and I was, I was, I was
whacking every. I was opening every door and swinging
this broom. I'm cracking the roomom on the floor, man. Like
I've never, I've never been so defensive about
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something in my life that freaked me out. It was
scary, man.
>> John (24:53):
Wow.
And so see that's
fascinating to me because I've never really been on a
paranormal investigation. I've been in a shut in in
Chicago. There's this haunted theater and you basically
go around with a paranormal investigator and you just kind of look
around stuff. But during that time someone saw
a child with black eyes just appear
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out of nowhere. Because it was like 3:00 in the morning. I
know how this is the only time I could feel what you
guys have felt. Another paranormal investigators felt we were just.
It was like three or four in the morning and we were just
sitting around. It was quiet, like you know, deathly
quiet. And all of a sudden we just heard this blood
curdling scream from this woman and
everybody's like ah. We all go running over there and she's
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shaking, just trembling and she said this
ghost of this. She saw a little girl and she was like
why is a little girl in here? Like why Would someone
bring that person in here? Like, that's just
really kind of shitty parenting, you know what I mean? And,
then the girl turned. Girl turned around. She's wearing like one of those
1800s, like, reallyill little dress.
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And she opened her eyes and they were completely black.
And she just lost it. And we had to stop
it. And the paranormal investigator had to like,
okay, let's stop. Let everybody
stopp. And they, you know, I was just like,
man, I didn't see it, but just hearing
that, I can't even imagine you guys hearing
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a table or seeing an apparition. I
mean, and not running for your life. I mean,
geez, you're braver than me.
>> Taylor (26:25):
I was running. I was gonna run with my life.
>> Blaine (26:28):
You were frozen.
>> Taylor (26:29):
The only other time, like, I've never, like, there was a time where
I saw like a black orb or like a black ball in
person, and it like just formed in front of me and then
shot up the stairs. Like, I wasn't scared of that. I was really
confused. And at that investigation, you were
terrified.
>> Blaine (26:44):
I was so scared. I got challenged by a buddy of
mine to. So we went to a mason lodge in
Illinois and we had
gotten. I had gotten issued a challenge by a buddy mine who
does some. Some ghost hunting, YouTube
videos. And he goes, dude, stay down the basement. Something's trying
to talk to you there because I was telling them about some other stuff. And
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he goes, dude, trying and figure out what that is. I'm like, y. I don't want to
do this. Well, I have a portal box going, and it's
what that is. It's just like a modified speaker
and you hook it up to a spirit box and it's supposed to filter out that
white noise that's generated.
>> Taylor (27:17):
It almost sounds like someone is talking in a toilet. It
echoes?
>> Blaine (27:20):
Yeah, it sounds kind of like a watery effect. You can take
the reverb off, but it sounds. It sounds better
with the reverb, which, whatever.
>> John (27:28):
U.
>> Blaine (27:29):
But I'm sitting in there and all of a suden. I'm not getting
voices. I'm getting like shouts of like, yeah,
it's freaking screaming. It's freaking me out. And on
camera, I had it pointed in this little room in this
basement where I'm doing this. And I got
scared. A shadow figure is poking out from the
wall and then right back and like, goes back.
Like it pokes out from the wall. You can make out like an
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arm and a head. It goes out and then back into
the wall. But what's weird is that
it's from the wall. It's not from the room
itself because the wall
is solid to the staircase that's
right outside of the room. So it
came through the wall and back and I'm like, what
the hell? But I can I. Can I
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tell you a story about black eyed children? Because I had my
own experience with one of those.
>> John (28:18):
Let's go. Love it.
>> Blaine (28:20):
So like Taylor said before I help out, I.
I do volunteer guided investigations for
the Sheboygan Asylum and I also help
out with the Glenulla School. That's in
Glenulla, Wisconsin. I'm there with a buddy, Min, his name's
Preston. We had just finished guides and we were
locking everything up and we left. We were out in the parking lot.
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I said, having a night man. Like I'll talk to you later. I
backed up and as I backed up the door that we
just come from, there's a little boy standing
on the stairs, perfect view of this window
and he has two black eyes.
>> Taylor (28:54):
You never told me that.
>> Blaine (28:56):
I thought I did. Yeah. I saw this little boy and he was
wearing, he was wearing like a white shirt and
overalls and he's got two black eyes. Like that's all I could
see. And he's got like a bowl cut and I'm like, I pulled back in. I was
like, dude, I was like, dude, I never guess what I
just saw. And I told him and he goes that'sing
scary. And then we left.
>> John (29:14):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Blaine (29:15):
And then we went home.
>> John (29:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So let's, let's talk about that.
I did a little research on black eyed children
and they're really, it's really hard to find.
I don't know, incredible stuff. There's stories out there where
people have invited them in and all this terrible
things have happened. Is your, yeah. Your guys.
What is your theory about themie? demons.
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you know what?
>> Taylor (29:40):
We actually wanted to do an episode sometime about
it.
>> Blaine (29:44):
Topic.
>> John (29:44):
Yeah, yeah. Please do think they're.
>> Blaine (29:47):
I don't think they're demons.
>> Taylor (29:48):
So like the little things that I know about black eyed
children, like I remember hearing like stories of like they
would come up to people's doors or like whatever and be like can
we please come in? Can you please let us in this and that.
But like that's all I knew about.
>> Blaine (30:02):
Just don't like saying the word demon anymore because like
it's so overplayed.
Everything'a demon nowadays, you knowe?
>> John (30:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Blaine (30:11):
It's just. I don't want to say it's a demon because
I'm not. You're not really letting your guard down. If you see a
black eyed kid, like
the of a demonic entity
posing as a child is to like let your guard
down, open yourself up to it so it can try and
eventually possess.
>> John (30:30):
Right?
>> Blaine (30:31):
Like that's what, that's the, that's the lore of it,
at least to my knowledge. If I'm wrong, someone can correct me. I'm
sure you probably could too.
>> John (30:38):
Yeah.
>> Blaine (30:39):
but like if you see a solid little
kid with two black eyes for
whoe like on its face, your first reaction
is. Let me help you. Your first reaction isit.
Get the out.
>> John (30:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The the famous story if
you guys do a. This is a well known one,
once you do start doing research on it, is a guy in
Texas was of all things, just
paying his bills, just going out running errands
and he's about to get out of his car and like right
here, like you know, like we said, oh shit, is
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a black eyed children, like right next to his car window, he
has a little, is a hood. You can see the black eyes.
And he's like, Jesus, you know, like that, you know,
and then the guy's like talking to the kid
and the kid's like talking in a very monotone
and saying, we want to go see the movie. And
at first the guy was like, okay, where's your, where's your
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parents? We want to go see the movie. The mo. And the
kid was talking about stuff that was from like years
ago and he was like okay, all right. And
he just, you know, drove out of there and stuff.
But's it was just, the kid was just And then another
story is a
couple supposedly in Sweden or
somebody like that let the kids in.
>> Taylor (31:55):
I've heard the cops.
>> John (31:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, let the kids in. And
they immediately got sick and
nauseous and ah, you know, couldn't get the kids
to leave at first and everything. But it's
not like I had a paranomal investigator on and told me he
goes, if there'it's that frequent. he goes
if they're more frequent than we think we are. Everyone has a
camera. Like literally everybody has a camera on
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their phone. So m.
Why wouldn't you like,
okay, you know. Now the guy from Texas, this was
back, I believe early 90s, late
80s, so there was no cell phones. But
in today's world, ring cam, security
cam, camera phone, on and on and on,
right? Nobody like, nobody has
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seen this. Now if you put my conspiracy hat
on, which I like to put on my conspiracy hat on is
people might have just erased it or just might been
like no one's gonna believe me. I'm deleting this. It's freaking
me out. I don't know.
>> Taylor (32:54):
Ye.
>> John (32:54):
It's interesting. It's a fascinating story.
>> Blaine (32:56):
I'd like to challenge that opinion if you don't mind because.
>> John (32:59):
Yeah, absolutely.
>> Blaine (33:00):
I'd like to challenge that because like if somebody's like if,
if you catch the holy grail
of video evidence of this black eyed kid
on like your ring camera or your cell
phone, I don't think anybody in their right mind
today would delete it. They're gonna post that shit. But then
they'rennan to get famous for 15 minutes.
>> Taylor (33:21):
But they'll get harassed. Yeah'be like, oh, that's fake.
You're losing.
>> Blaine (33:25):
Welcome to social m media. That's what. That's all it is nowadays.
>> Taylor (33:27):
But that might be the reason why they wouldn't want to share it.
They are, they're afraid of being harassed and
likeittle.
>> Blaine (33:34):
I'm sure that some people who that. I'm sure some people will
do that for sure. But like that's, you know, I'm
gonna put that in. I'm gonna put that. That's a one out of five person who's
gonna do that. I think four out of those five be like, I'm
going to get my 15 minutes of fame and I'm going to post this shit on like
tik tock right now.
>> John (33:49):
Yeah.
>> Taylor (33:50):
You know. Okay.
So like you asked if we think they're like aliens or
demons or this or that. I think like as you were
telling the stories of like black eyed children and all
that, in my head I was thinking like maybe these are just
like children who went through like had a very
traumatic death or whatever and. Or
like just such like so much trauma and they
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died at a young age that these are just like lost
spirits hanging around and that's just the way that they're
portrayed. Just no soul. Cause you always hear
that the eyes are the soul, like windows to the soul.
>> John (34:22):
Yeah, that's fascinating to me. It's like
the majority of ghost stories I hear
are maybe you guys back me up on this. Cause I want to hear
your stories too. I don't typically do
a lot of like call in with your story
or whatever because some of it's, you know, some
guy's remembering wrong or it's just some. That's like,
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oh, that's it. Like you know, you're rocking chair Rock for
two seconds. And you know that. Okay. It's the win.
And what we were talking about earlier before, it's a mannequin.
Okay? But one of the stories that I heard, I
thought was really fascinating was people
who have sleep paralysis.
That is some scary shit. And if
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you don't believe me, I highly
recommend. And I. Gosh, I always forget the
stupid name of this documentary, but there's a
documentary on it that will scare the ever
living shit out of you. You will not sleep at
night when they talk to these people who have had
it, where they've seen, like, these
shadows over them, like, hovering over them, and
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they can't move or shadow people coming in the
room. And those stories I thought was really interesting.
>> Taylor (35:32):
We had a guest talk about something they actually.
>> Blaine (35:34):
We've actually had two guests on our show talk about sleep.
>> John (35:37):
Isn't that what crazy say? I'm curious.
Yeah, go ahead.
>> Blaine (35:41):
Can I.
>> Taylor (35:41):
Can I say one?
>> Blaine (35:42):
You'rena. You're gonna tell Tony's. I'm gonna tell Kaye's. So.
>> Taylor (35:45):
Okay, so the one that I have in my head, she was
like a little girl, and she used to, like, sleep in the same bed as her mom.
Like, she and her sister would take turns or whatever.
she. She was like, in the middle of sleep paralysis, and
she saw, like, I believe she said she saw a little kid.
But then, like, behind the kid was this big black
figure, and it would move towards her bed, like,
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stop motion, like, just.
And it opened this cabinet where all of her school supplies
were and grabbed these scissors and, like, ended up above
her. And, she screamed and screamed and screamed. And then,
like, everyone's like, oh, what's going up?
>> Blaine (36:19):
Blah, blah, blah.
>> Taylor (36:20):
And there was nothing there. Well, then, like, the next morning,
she had to go back in that room to get her shoes, which were
next to the bed, and she found her school scissors
on the floor next to the bed. And, like, she was
so, like, the way she explained it, I did so bad
explaining it, but the way that she explained it, it was
terrifying. And I'm just sitting here like, I'm so
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sorry you experienced that, that lad.
oh, my gosh, a lot.
>> Blaine (36:45):
But no, my friend Kaylee, I had her on the show.
Hers wasn't as deep as that. She's definitely
had. She's seen some stuff while in sleep
paralysis, but I think that was about the extent of it.
I know she actually text me a few days
ago asking that if we wanted to have her back on, because she said some more
since she's that.
>> Taylor (37:03):
Would be so fun.
>> Blaine (37:04):
Since she's lived in New Orleans and has been
moved to a different state now. But. Yeah. Yeah. We've
had a couple people talk about it. I've never. I've
experienced, I don't think a sleep paralysis. But you get
that feeling.
>> John (37:16):
Yeah.
>> Blaine (37:16):
Where you want to. You want to say something, but you're, like,
too scared. Like, when you're a little kid, you're like, you want to call for your mom and dad
to come to your room to, like, turn on the lights because
something scared you, but you can't get the noise out. Is that. Is that sleep
paralysis? I don't.
>> Taylor (37:29):
Sleep paralysis is like. I mean, you can't
move, right?
>> John (37:33):
You cannot move at all.
>> Taylor (37:34):
Yeah, yeah. Like, your eyes, I don't think can
move, but you.
>> Blaine (37:39):
I've experienced that here.
>> John (37:40):
Right.
>> Blaine (37:41):
it was that night I told you where I heard three knocks come right down my
hallway and I.
>> Taylor (37:45):
Getting closer to your room.
>> Blaine (37:46):
Yeah. I, woke up and I woke up. I don't
even know for what reason I woke up. It was 3:00 in the morning.
3. 3 something. And as soon as
I woke up, all I could hear is
boom. From my living room. Boom. In my
kitchen, Boom. Right outside my bedroom door.
And then it stopped. And I just, like. I couldn't move for the life
of me. And all I could do is, like,
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muster up the courage to, like, move a
finger to, like, know that I was, like,
awakened experiencing this.
>> John (38:17):
Yeah. Yeah, that's. But
imagine, I talked to people who've had it
for 40 years every night.
>> Blaine (38:24):
Hell, I couldn't live like that.
>> John (38:25):
Yeah. How do you live like that? You can't, but
they do.
>> Blaine (38:29):
No, that's crazy.
>> John (38:30):
You know, God bless them. Because I couldn't.
>> Blaine (38:32):
Yeah.
>> John (38:33):
I couldn't. There's no way. So, staying with that.
What is the scariest story someone has told you
or you've heard from someone?
>> Taylor (38:40):
Kurtz.
>> Blaine (38:41):
Kurtz is pretty scary.
>> Taylor (38:42):
Yeah, he was like. He saw like, this figure with like, a
broken back crawling or something, but it was like
kind of him in an older sense.
>> Blaine (38:50):
Yeah. My friend Kurt, we had him on the show
in the earlier episodes and
he was telling us about how he had
moved into an
apartment in Manitwak and he had,
u experience this weird,
like, figure come out of
his bathroom. It was where he could explain it. It was like
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flannel button down, and
it had really long, I guess really.
>> Taylor (39:17):
Long hair covering its face and its back was
broken.
>> Blaine (39:21):
Yeah, it was like, crawling with like a, like, A weird
like shape crawling out of his bathroom. And he got pretty freaked
out by it. And he hadn't
owned it at the time, but a while, like a
year, a couple years or so later, months, whatever it was,
he found the flannel shirt, not
even thinking about it and bought it.
>> Taylor (39:40):
Yeah.
>> Blaine (39:41):
And now he has it. So he's wondering if he was seeing
like a really demented
liker version of.
>> Taylor (39:48):
Yeah, that one. Yeah, one really stuck to me.
>> John (39:51):
I really.
>> Blaine (39:52):
Tony's whole episode with us was
insane.
>> Taylor (39:56):
Tony's life is scary.
>> Blaine (39:57):
She got whipped around. We had a guest on the one
that experience the sleep paralysis with the
scissors. She owns this house and she got
like, supposedly got whipped around the
room.
>> Taylor (40:09):
Like attacked, like thrown.
>> Blaine (40:10):
She was thrown into like objects in her, in her room and
stuff. And I'm like, oh my God, how.
>> John (40:15):
Do you do that?
>> Blaine (40:15):
Like how do you, how are you living like this?
>> John (40:18):
Yeah,
that's. I mean she still lives in that house.
>> Taylor (40:23):
No, she got rid of that. But she lived for. She lived there for
10 years.
>> Blaine (40:26):
She lived there for 10 years. And she was excusive
constantly. I'm like, girl, she was kind of.
>> Taylor (40:31):
Like, she was trying her best. But the thing
was the room that all of that happened in, the room that she kept
feeling all this dark stuff was like in the path
of the bathroom. So she would like talk about doing
bird baths or like going in there and like running out
as fast as she could because she just couldn't handle it.
>> Blaine (40:48):
Yeah, she like the only access to like that
bathroom I guess was through that bedroom.
>> John (40:53):
Mm
>> Blaine (40:53):
It was. Her whole story was insane
to live like that for so long.
>> John (40:58):
I was like, so. Oh my God, I couldn't
even imagine that. And I've spoken to people of haunted
houses and
it'it's. Funny to
me, Blain and Tyler and Taylor that I
just, I'm like, wait a minute, you've been living
in this house? Oh, my grandpa lived in the house too. And my
dad'like three generations have lived in this haunted house. And they're
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like, hey, deal with it. Like
what? You know, it just, it's just mind blowing to
me. But one of the guys told me, he
goes, it's not what you're saying. He goes, first of all, it doesn't
happen all the time. So he goes, we'll go months
with nothing happened like min. But they
always said every time there was an electrical
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storm in the area, thunderstorm, major
thunderstorm. That's when the activity would shoot
up, really shoot up. Or I've heard, I don't know if you
guys have heard this but I heard this crazy story and
I've heard it like now three different times from three different
people where this married couple, they bought a
house and as soon as they went in the house they started
arguing, they started fighting, you know,
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I mean getting vicious, getting to the point where they
pull knives on each other, you know what I mean?
And then they, then they leave, go out to dinner
together, fine, loving, caring, no problem,
back into the house, same thing. And you
know one of those stories was that one
guy, he went to jail. One of the husbands, he was
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actually a brother in law of one of my guests. And what happened was
his wife was sleeping, she wakes up and there's
her husband over her with a knife,
standing over her with a nightife, while she was
sleeping, woke up, she freaks out, calluse
the cops, he gets arrested. He's actually
still in jail now and like he can't
remember doing that. He can't remember grabbing the knife,
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he can't remember anything. And when she talks to
him, he's. She goes no, you know,
that's something's that, it's the house, it's something in the
house. And she was convinced of that because you
know, she actually helped him get a lighter
sentence and everything like that and worked out some things
and now you know, he's, he's out of jail, I should
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say. And you know, obviously they're not
married anymore but they're great.
And this guy says yeah, he's the nicest guy ever
and they do great and you know, and
I'm like the.
>> Taylor (43:17):
House, whatever was there.
>> John (43:18):
Yeah. Have you ever heard anything like that? Have you ever heard where the house
is physically, obviously with your friend there,
but anything like that where there's just making people
angry and you know, the point of wanting to kill each other, I mean
that'just blows me away.
>> Blaine (43:31):
Do you feel we just had an episode dropp at the
time of recording this yesterday we talked about
Amityville. I don't think I believe the
story of Amityville. Yes, but that
sounds a lot like the story of Haityville.
>> John (43:45):
So you're looking the
house. I don't. I mean to interrupt. I'm sorry.
You're looking at the person who almost foughth the
Amityville Horror House. I was in
negotiations to buy it.
>> Blaine (43:58):
Dang.
>> John (43:59):
The reason I didn't buy it and I've told this story a million
times is because the real estate agent
told me it is not haunted. It's never
been haunted. They're lying. She knew.
She'd been doing real estate in
the area for over 30 years. She
has told me blatantly that the
DEO family were a bunch of
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crazy lunatics who were on
drugs to the mob. Everything was
terrible about that family. That is true. They
were a horrible people. And yes, there were
murders in that house, and yes, there were
something seen in that house. However, if you
go back and I didn't listen to this episodeuse I know it
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just kind of, just came out to listen to you guys episode.
What the real estate agent told me was people
were made that up. That kind of came out that it
was made up by the Lutzes and all this stuff. It's total
bullshit. And she knew that.
Yeah. And she's sl. Like, nothing's gonna
happen. She knew about all this stuff. And one of the
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things, you know, I've talked to people, and they're like, well, maybe she's
lying to you. Or. And I'm like, why would she lie to me? I made
it blatantly think, I will buy this house of
a haunted. I do not care. And she was
like, well, bad news, sweetie. I wish I could.
Ah. She actually passed away recently.
I was trying to get her on the podcast. She didn't
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want to because she thinks ghosts are bullshit. So maybe
that has something to do with it. I don't know. But the point was,
I interviewed people who lived at that house. I talked to
the past three owners of that house, and they want
nothing. And I, like, look, I get it if you guys
feel weird about it. You don't want to tell me, please
tell me. And they're like, zip, zero,
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nothing. So, like most. What you guys
have probably have heard is most ghost
entities, spirits, whatever you want to call them, usually
attach themselves to a person or object.
So therefore, if it was haunted,
maybe it was attached to one of the
Lutz'children to an object in the house.
I don't know. But I did go out and visit the
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house. I did go out and see it. It's gorgeous,
by the way. O my God. at this time,
this was years ago, it was going for a little over
$300,000 now. Good luck.
I think it's close to a mill. Anyway, it's
a beautiful house. I toured the house. I got
nothing. Not to say I'm sensitive. I got nothing. The
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owners were sweet, and I'm like, so why are you selling it? Is it ghost?
Is the demons? And they were like, no. Settled Down. They were
like, no, it's a
big house. It's an absolutely
huge house and you
need, man. I had two small kids at the
time. My wife, you need someone to help you with house.
And what's super annoying, the people
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had two paranormal investigators trying to break into the
house, which scared the shit out of them also.
They would wake up. Like this time the daughter woke
up and she's older now. When I, when I was there
and she said, I saw this guy just standing out on the
lawn and he's like talking to himself, just
sitting there with a camera talking to himself. And she said
(47:07):
at that time she was like six. She's just freaking out.
Talk about that, you know, just freaking out.
And so she said that's what they hated. They
still got to this day where people would knock on their door, hey, I'll
give you a hundred bucks if I could go and we could do
an investigation overnight. They were like, no, this
is our house. Like go, you
(47:27):
know, like give more.
>> Blaine (47:29):
Because that house is just iconic
now.
Yeah, it like because I, I went into it, I went
into the entire deep dive timeline
on how
DeFeo went to court, claim
with his lawyer, encouraged him to claim that
the devil made him do it. He was one of ah, he was apparently one
(47:50):
of the first cases to do that. And then you
have the same lawyer talking with the
Lutz, trying to be like, you could make money off
of this.
>> John (47:59):
Correct.
>> Blaine (47:59):
Sell the rights, let them write the book, let them make the
movie, make the money. And even George
Lutz at the one of the premieres of the movie, he
had, he. A reporter had asked him, is this like, is
everything in this movie exactly how it happened? He's like, ah, well, I
mean the movie's scary, don't get me wrong. But what we experienced was
way worse. And like that's the quote that people run with all the
(48:19):
time. But he doesn't go into detail about how it was wor.
Like, like I understand. Like if something did happen.
>> John (48:25):
Correct.
>> Blaine (48:25):
It's gonna leave you more traumatized and seeing
sensationalized version of it.
>> John (48:30):
Correct. Yeah.
>> Blaine (48:32):
Finding out the lawyer of DeFeo is like telling
him to do this.
>> John (48:36):
Yes, yes. And one thing I wanted to add too,
that I keep forgetting to add. The real estate agent
had been al loan in that house. Like, you know what I mean? Like
she's been alone in that house and she's like,
ah, the big house with creeks and crap. And
you know, and she told me point blank, I really don't believe
she. You know, she's a very spiritual woman, but she doesn't really
(48:56):
believe in ghosts. And I'm like, okay, but when I toured it,
it was like, yeah, this is huge. Like,
this is a damn big house. Now, I do have people tell
me, john, you should have bought the house, charged like,
$5,000 to payor investigators
to investigate it. And then when they don't get anything or maybe they do
get something, like, you know, count the money. I'm like, yeah, I'm not
(49:16):
that shady. I'm notnna do that.
And besides, my kids and my wife were at the time,
like, it's upstate New York, you know,
they were too thrilled about.
>> Blaine (49:27):
I have a question for you about that, though. Since you were
considering buying it when you had that. Those
talks, did you consider
putting the. The facade of
the house back to the way it was with the windows now?
Because they'changed Ah.
>> John (49:43):
So here's the thing. What I was going to do
was I was thinking about changing it
back just for the soul effect. I'm a spooky,
creepy guy. I like stuff like that. Right. I think
that I was told by
numerous people do not do that, who
are mediums, empath, psychic,
(50:03):
whatever, as well as paranormal investigators. Because they
said, you're tempting fate. You know, they said,
you're kind. And they said, if there's something inside of
you, like we talked about, there's something inside of
you that brings this back or
brings something into the house that's completely different. You're kind of
like, you know, putting gasoline on a fire. So
(50:24):
they were like, you better be careful. It's like you guys
did a thing about Ouija boards. I always tell people
about Ouija boards. Don't do it. Don't stop it.
You think it's a joke? It's not. Not a, joke.
>> Taylor (50:35):
Well, I don't think it's a joke, though. But I
also think, like, spirit_x is the exact same thing.
It is just a digital. Or like, it's radio instead
of, like, in front of you.
>> Blaine (50:45):
Like, three words. Don't do it.
>> John (50:48):
It's yes, three words. I get it,
Taylor.
>> Blaine (50:53):
Thank you.
>> Taylor (50:54):
I've already done it.
>> Blaine (50:56):
I know you have. I haven't.
>> John (50:57):
Wrong. Yeah, I have a quick story with that,
too. that I want to tell you how
that is a bad thing to do everyone. I don't know if it's you
guys. Like, it's your work where people know you're into the paranormal,
and they'll come up to you and be like, hey, u Taylor. Hey,
Blaine. You know, I just, I don't know. I think my house is
haund right. And we can talk about that in a little
(51:18):
bit. But I used to have people like, I've made it known
to people and I'm a creepy guy. I
love paranormones. Spooky Halloween is one of
my favorite holidays. So one day when I was
a manager of this retail store, a young girl
came up to me, one of my clerks. And she said,
john, I think I have a really serious problem.
(51:38):
And I'm like, oh, no. Cause usually when girls came up
to me, they would tell me they're pregnant. Not from me,
but they'tell me they're pregnant. And I'd be
like, why are you telling me? Go tell your
parentsuse. It was a small town where I was,
you know, at this par. Yeah, well, it's
a whole new thing, right? That's scarier than anything you could
imagine. Having a 17 year old girl come home and,
(52:00):
you know, I'm a dad of, have a daughter and she come home
and tell me that. I'd be like. So she came to me and she said,
hey, John, this is what happened. We were playing with
a Ouija board in a cemetery.
Classic, right? What they said was why they
were playing the, Ouija board. They saw
shadow or a figure and they all ran.
They, they didn't close. Okay. They left it open.
(52:23):
I said, okay, all right, so let's
go back and close it after work tonight, okay?
And great. So I drive her back to the
cemetery, we go in
and guess what? this is summertime.
So the, groundskeeper
had moed over the riji board
and it was totally destroyed, totally
(52:45):
ripped the shreds by the, blond
track. So I said, okay,
well, I don't know what to do, you know,
I have no idea. So anyway, a couple weeks pass,
I'm thinking, you know, imagination, you know, they were
scared. It's one of those things you see what you know, there's a whole bunch
of theories out there that what people believe
they think is a ghost is just something in their mind. And that's a
(53:08):
whole different topic. Anyway, a couple weeks later, the mother comes
and I'm like, oh shit. The mother's gonna be like,
you idiots. You're and my daughter. And you know,
whatever. And she goes, no, that didn't happen. She goes,
john, so my daughter tells me, you're in the paranormal.
You got toa help us. We're seeing shadows and
we're being physically attacked at her house. And
(53:28):
I'm like, okay, like, what's going on?
And she's like, well, doors will slam. We'll see
shadow. She goes, I've been pushed. My daughter's been
pushed. We've had blankets ripped off of us. We've all
ah, this cold areas. And I'm like, you know, she goes, I
didn't really believe any of that's this paranormal stuff to this
st I said, okay, well, we're going to have to go
(53:49):
back to the cemetery by newuija board.
But I said, before I do that, I have friends
that I'm gonna call. So I called one of my medium friends and
she said, hang on, stop. Let me go with
you or you guys are gonna make this workse. So she's a
very nice lady and she came with us and we had to perform
this whole ceremony, you know, dealing with
(54:09):
cleansing and all this stuff.
And, eventually closed everything and
luckily had a happy ending. And everybody's gone
on to have a good l.
But again, this medium, her name
was Sarah, very nice woman. She since passed away.
But she said to my, to the
mom and to my, you know, employee, don't ever
(54:30):
play with huii board. They're ridiculous. You're
gonna, you're gonna. Something bad always
happens unless you have somebody, a professional
around you to do proper cleansing, proper closing
of it. And. But she goes, don't even do that. She
said'it's fact. Something's gonna terrible
happen. So that's just my
public service announcement that I do every time.
(54:53):
How aboutija?
>> Taylor (54:54):
At least I set myself like a level where I was like,
I won't play with the Ouija board. When I was pregnant. At least I set
that ground, that rule.
>> Blaine (55:01):
Oh, I'm, m so glad that was the barrier. That was like,
I don't want to do it now.
>> John (55:05):
Not my child.
>> Blaine (55:07):
Oh, my goodness gracious. I know you said that,
but still, laug fact was like, I'm not gonna do it while
I'm pregnant. No shit.
>> John (55:19):
So before we wrap up here, two things I want to
ask you guys. Kind of like a little
fun little list here. Just really a couple
questions. One, your
paranormal investigation bucket
list. If you could go anywhere in the world and
investigate any site, where would you go? You have
an unlimited open check. Where would you
(55:41):
go?
>> Taylor (55:42):
I want to go to the catacombs in Paris.
>> John (55:44):
O good one, good one.
>> Taylor (55:47):
I feel like there should be a lot happening there. Well,
there could be a lot.
>> John (55:51):
You know, they have sealed a lot of those Areas
off because of that one video. I don't know if you guys saw about
that guy. I don't know if it's true, but a guy
investigating and then drops the camera, and you just see him running
off. And they totally never fed the guy. you
guys tell me.
>> Taylor (56:07):
I know they don't allow people in there at night.
They're like, you will get arrested and this and
that if you go past visiting hours.
>> John (56:15):
And why would you like to do that, Taylor?
>> Taylor (56:18):
I think there's just, like, I don't know,
all the bones and all the skeletons. And I'm just, like, thinking
if people or if, like, spirits are stuck to the
body in any way, there could be something
there. And there's thousands
of bodies down there, and I just
think that would be insane and scary.
>> John (56:38):
Yeah. Yeah. All right, Blaine.
>> Blaine (56:40):
You know, I was originally gonna
say Alcatraz just because of how
secluded it is. I'm changing it now. I would
love to investigate some of the spots of the
Hellfires club over in Ireland. Oh, yeah,
because those stories of,
like, them personally seeing the
(57:00):
devil just so fascinating to me.
>> Taylor (57:03):
You know, if I want to go to, like, America, like,
US wise, the, Winchester.
>> Blaine (57:08):
Winchester would be cool. Winchester, you got, like, those really
big spots, like the. The very like. I want to go to the Wind Chest.
I want to go to Waverly Hills Penurst.
>> Taylor (57:16):
If that. If, that one place wasn't torn down.
>> Blaine (57:19):
I can't remember that one place.
>> John (57:21):
The bar. The Bobby mackeie's.
>> Taylor (57:25):
Yes.
>> Blaine (57:25):
Ye.
>> Taylor (57:26):
Thank you.
>> John (57:27):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Blaine (57:28):
And now. Well, a good chunk. That's now in
Las Vegas.
>> John (57:32):
Yeah, yeah. With that. Zach. Zach
Baggin Waag. Whatever.
Did you.
>> Blaine (57:40):
You seen the one that he did about his haunted museum?
>> John (57:42):
That was the next one I was gonna listen to. I am not a
fan. I'm gonna tell you guys straight. So if that's like
that episode Love.
>> Blaine (57:50):
Painted in a very positive light. No,
it's very opinionated. But it's also the fact of, like,
if we were to go, we'd probably check it out. Like, we
were go to Las Vegas. That'd be the first spot we go to.
>> John (58:02):
Okay? So I'm gonna give you guys fair warning.
You're more than welcome to go. Obviously, one of my guests have
been to it. her and her husband, they were like,
are you serious? I really money
on this. So one of
one. A couple of things he has there
is the staircase. You guys have to
(58:22):
do an episode on this. Normally, I do not tell
people you have to do something, but
Indiana, that demon House
in Indiana where Zach Baggins did
the investigation. And supposedly he
went blind from the demon and one of
his crew members was possessed by a
demon. But there's stories From
(58:44):
Firen cops, EMTs,
doctors who, CPS workers,
yesah. Crazy stories
about how all the thing this woman said
was true. it's a movie on Netflix and they called it something
else. I've not watched it yet. But anyway,
she was trying to make. Yeah, yeah,
(59:04):
yeah, yeah. And it's.
Anyway, so he has the staircase from
that house. And so you go in there and
it's really cheesy. You know, they have voices like, this
is the, this is the cauldron where
Ed Gean decomposed all the
bodies in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, go ahead.
>> Taylor (59:24):
So I was gonna say the episode, since you said that
was next, you have to watch it because it is me
shitting on Zach and his museum. Like, I go down from
like most believable to. This is a fucking
joke of items.
>> Blaine (59:37):
Yeah.
>> Taylor (59:37):
And my gosh. And I, I get into
character.
>> Blaine (59:41):
It's a thing. If you listen to it on Spotify. If
you listen to it on Spotify or watch it on
YouTube. If you, if you listen to on Apple, obviously you're not going
to get the video feed, but we upload the video feed to
Spotify and obviously our YouTube
channel dresses up,
like Zach.
>> Taylor (59:58):
But my name is Yak Sa.
>> Blaine (01:00:00):
We called her Yak Sagins and we
made another Tik tok on our last while we were doing some
downtime. It was very funny and I
I. It's so funy. Yeah.
>> Taylor (01:00:10):
Ah, we really. On Zach Baggins and his museum and the
items he has in there.
>> Blaine (01:00:14):
Yeah. We talk about the divbit box and how that story'pret
fake.
>> Taylor (01:00:17):
Absolute Legosi's mirror. I
It is not a true thing. And it is
ridiculous how he is just
sensationalizing.
>> John (01:00:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I
just, you know, and I don't mind
that he made money. You know, I get it.
If you can make money off, God bless you,
you know, fine. But don't make
it like every paranormal investigator I've talked to
you. You guys are probably the same way tell me if I'm wrong
(01:00:47):
is you don't go into a house and start screaming, hey,
man, come out. I'm not scared of you. Like
what? Like, what do you. What are you doing?
>> Blaine (01:00:55):
No, I don't think we've ever done. We've never started
it off that way.
>> Taylor (01:00:59):
No.
>> John (01:01:00):
Right.
>> Blaine (01:01:01):
I've got pretty heated in spots, but I've Never started out
right.
>> John (01:01:04):
But yeah, yeah, I get it. But you're not
like. I don't know, whatever the. How stupid
stuff he does. It's unbelievable.
Whatever. but anyway, thank you guys. This hour
has flown by. You guys are amazing.
We didn't even get to the topic so I'm gonna have to have you guys
back on because I was gonna do a topic with you guys
(01:01:24):
about a haunted location. Very famous haund location.
So I'll have to have you guys back on and
before we.
>> Taylor (01:01:31):
Yah.
>> Blaine (01:01:32):
Is this the secret one you were.
>> John (01:01:34):
Going to tell us before? Ye. Yeah, I'll keep it a secret. I'll keep it
a. I love you guys.
>> Blaine (01:01:39):
You guys back we went too long.
>> John (01:01:40):
We. We jib a jabbing jipid j. Oh, this
is awesome. This is awesome.
So what do you have guys have coming out for my spooky
friends? What can they look forward to podcast
wise?
>> Blaine (01:01:51):
I don't know when you plan on releasing
this?
>> John (01:01:55):
about a couple weeks.
>> Blaine (01:01:56):
In a couple weeks. Okay. So by then we'll have had
whatever podcast episodes we had banked up.
>> Taylor (01:02:01):
which are the two.
>> Blaine (01:02:02):
Yep.
>> Taylor (01:02:03):
Game show podcast would probably be out.
>> Blaine (01:02:05):
That'll already be out. Yeah.
>> Taylor (01:02:06):
Darn.
>> Blaine (01:02:07):
Because yeah, we. We interviewed
at Obviously I'm gonna say at the time of recording this, but we
interviewed one of the writers for Haunted us where they go around
and they talk about ye. We talked to one of them
and we talked about Ana,
Ekland's possession story.
>> Taylor (01:02:24):
The game.
>> Blaine (01:02:25):
I love that one game show that we were telling you about before
we started where I might. I put my paranormal
career on the line and I definitely did do well.
Spoiler. But other than that, we're pretty much.
>> Taylor (01:02:37):
Focused on the TV series or the. Ah,
yeah.
>> Blaine (01:02:41):
we got picked up by a new streaming
platform called Dark Realm tv. You can find it
on Roku and Amazon Fire tv.
And we are. We're in the middle of producing a new
six episode first season and we're
now wrapping up on m. The fourth one right
now. We're filming our fourth location
right now.
>> John (01:03:02):
Awesome.
>> Blaine (01:03:03):
Yeah.
>> John (01:03:03):
and then let me ask you this really quick for my spooky friends out
there. If they wanted to get a hold of you, if
maybe they know someone and this is about
a residence and they think you know something's going
on, how would they get a hold of you? You know, this is
obviously you. I imagine you guys don't travel outside
of Wisconsin. Probably try to keep it close. Right?
>> Taylor (01:03:23):
I mean we've traveled to Illinois. Blaines traveled to
Minnesota. We've traveled to Indiana once.
>> Blaine (01:03:29):
But I mean, if people want to get a hold of us, I think the easiest way to do
it is through our email. You can email us at, ghostsn.
>> Taylor (01:03:35):
Usmail.Com or hit us up on
Instagram.
>> Blaine (01:03:38):
Any of our social media platforms were anywhere we.
There's a social media platform. We're at ghost and us. We keep
it very simple. Hit us up in the DMs, we'll.
>> Taylor (01:03:47):
Get the notification quick and we'll be like, oh my gosh,
people.
>> Blaine (01:03:50):
Yeah, yeah, I think
if you, if you, if you want to find us anywhere at
Ghosts. In us. Ghosts is plural
and, and displled though.
>> John (01:04:00):
So there you go.
>> Blaine (01:04:01):
Yeah, our email is probably the easiest otherwise, but.
>> John (01:04:04):
Okay, great. Well, again, thank you so much
for doing this. I really appreciate it. It's always, like
I said, super fun, especially talking
about, you know, all these different things, like,
you know, crazy story and there's so many other stories
and that's what I tell my spooky friends.
Don't be ashamed. Don't think we're gonna think you're crazy.
(01:04:24):
and just. It's good to get out of your system,
right? It's good to tell somebody. Like I saw
a ghost, you know, when I was 8 years old and
it kind of freaked me out. And now I'm scared of,
I don't know, horror movies or I'm scared of this
or, or like in Taylor's case, her head
spinning around talking to a clown in
(01:04:44):
her room.
>> Taylor (01:04:48):
What's, what's so funny is like, like
that, all of that and stuff. But when I was younger, I was
terrified of the Exorcist. Reagan scared the shit
out of me.
>> John (01:04:57):
Yeah, scared that shit out of everybody.
>> Taylor (01:05:01):
Talk to a clone.
>> John (01:05:03):
That's pretty damn scary.
>> Blaine (01:05:04):
You know, Thisosed to John Wayne Gacy.
>> John (01:05:06):
No thanks, guys. this is.
>> Blaine (01:05:08):
Thank you for having us.
>> John (01:05:10):
No, it's wonderful. Like I said, I'll have you guys back on. We'll have to
talk about the secret haunted. Well, ain't secret, but
it's a nice haunted place that I think you guys
should go and investigate one of these
days.
>> Blaine (01:05:22):
Heck yeah.
>> John (01:05:23):
Awesome.
All right, thanks guys. Love you. Andk you.
We'll talk later. Sounds good by. Bye.
>> Blaine (01:05:29):
Bye.
>> John (01:05:30):
Spooky.
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