Hollywood vs. Dairyland: w Guest Tammie Merheb-Chavez, co-host of Hollyweird Paranormal Podcast

This week, host John Radtke welcomes back the hilarious and haunted Tammie Merheb-Chavez, co-host of the Hollyweird Paranormal Podcast, for a paranormal-packed crossover! From LA's haunted hotels and underground gangster tunnels to Wisconsin's cryptids and ghostly legends, this episode is a coast-to-coast deep dive into America's creepiest corners.

They recap Windy City ParaFest, share personal ghost investigation stories (including one with Ghost Adventures), and dig into haunted Walmarts, cursed dolls, and why some MLB players are terrified of the Pfister Hotel.

Oh—and there’s a werewolf in Wisconsin. Seriously.

👻 In This Episode:

• Tammie’s return: recapping Windy City ParaFest and her paranormal highlights

• LA’s haunted underbelly: Barclay Hotel, Rainbow Bar & Grill, Viper Room

• Ghost brides on bridges and a paranormal game of "who’s scarier?"

• Tales from the Haunted Congress Hotel and Summerwind Mansion

• The truth about Annabelle and the dangers of sensationalizing the paranormal

• Baseball players vs. ghosts: the haunted legend of Milwaukee’s Pfister Hotel

• EVP sessions, shadow figures, and haunted basements in LA

• Ghosts with a sense of humor—and ghosts who want you to leave

• Why preserving haunted history (like Marilyn Monroe’s home) matters

🔮 Featured Guest:

🎙️ Tammie Merheb-Chavez Co-host of the Hollyweird Paranormal Podcast Instagram: @hollyweirdparanormal Website: hollyweirdparanormal.com

💬 Quotable Moments:

“There’s a haunted Walmart in LA—and it’s one of our most popular episodes.” – Tammie

“When a Major League Baseball player says they won’t stay at a hotel, you know it’s haunted.” – John

“Lemmy might be the spiritual bouncer of the Rainbow Bar & Grill.” – Tammie

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Episode Transcript

Speaker A (00:00):
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Speaker B (00:13):
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(01:01):
covers everything spooky, creepy andmysterious in the Midwest and beyond.
I'm your host, John,
and today I had her on before, but I had tobring her back because she is amazing.
She's got some great stories.
We had so much fun when we did our Windy City
Para festival episode.

(01:22):
And so I'm welcoming back Tammy from the HollyWeird Paranormal podcast.
So, Tam, hello.

Speaker A (01:29):
Hi.

Speaker B (01:32):
Tammy looks relaxed and she looks happy so that we, I love that.

Speaker A (01:38):
Oh yes.
I got my dogs here.
So we're all good.
Enjoying the beautiful 70 degree weather here
in Los Angeles.

Speaker B (01:46):
Love it.
It's, it's 80 and humid here in Wisconsin.

Speaker A (01:49):
So I'm sorry, my condolences.

Speaker B (01:52):
So I just want tell you folks, our original idea was Tammy to eat one of her $500
salads or whatever crazy thing in California.
It's not five.
And I was eating my $7 chef salad, but then weboth realized we're just going to be crunching
and eating our salads.

Speaker A (02:12):
It's going to trigger a lot of people.
It might trigger.

Speaker B (02:15):
Yeah, people be listening on their headphones at work or something.
Be like, ah man, what the hell, right?
But I, I can't get over the reason we'rejoking about that is because I, I, I said I
was in California on business and I bought a$20 salad and calm.
$20?No,

(02:36):
that's cheap.
Is it cheap?
So like what,
$50 or whatever salad you were saying?

Speaker A (02:41):
You can definitely get a salad at Erewhon for 50 bucks and I almost bought one.
I like good.
It just looked good, but like little too much.
Little. Yikes. Yes, I know.

Speaker B (02:51):
Like what do they do? I know this is a paranormal podcast, but
folks, we got to figure this out first.
Like what do they do?

Speaker A (02:58):
Anything other than I think, I think Jesus blesses it.
I think it was chopped it.
Chopped the veggies, blessed it and served it.
There you go.

Speaker B (03:08):
Maybe Brad pit.
Maybe Brad Pitt comes in and kisses it or
something.
I don't know.

Speaker A (03:12):
Probably. Probably.
Who knows?
He just stands there just to smile in front ofit.
There you go.
You're welcome.
And then 50 bucks.
Exactly.

Speaker B (03:22):
It's crazy.
Yes. So again, if you're in Wisconsin, the
most you're going to spend on a salad isprobably like 14 bucks.
Obviously here it's LA.
I get it.

Speaker A (03:34):
Yeah. Welcome to LA.
Everything.

Speaker B (03:36):
Welcome to LA.

Speaker A (03:38):
Expensive.
Yeah.

Speaker B (03:40):
So Tammy has, like I said, the Holly Weird Paranormal Podcast, which I've
been listening to on my commutes, and I loveevery episode.
It is so much fun.
You're.
I don't want to say a partner or whatever youwant to say.
Co host Bryce Mitchell Williams is on there,does some great things.
So much fun about that.
And what I love about the podcast too, is you

(04:02):
guys have fun and you, you cover some thingsthat, I don't know.
I would say that I. I don't really hear thatmuch.
I mean, like, I get it.
Like, there's the Winchester house and other
things like that, bigger things.
The Hollywood sign, which we talked on a lot
last podcast, a kind of the suicide there, anda ghost all around,
like the Viper Room and.

(04:23):
And, you know, this other stuff and bars and
graveyards and cemeteries.
And you don't think about in la, you think
about star power.
Right.
You think of, look at this.
But it's really haunted, right, Tammy?I mean, there's a lot of different things in
LA and surrounding areas that are prettycrazy, right?

Speaker A (04:43):
It's very haunted.
And you know what's really crazy is that it's
still a young city like Los Angeles.
If you think about it, it's like 100 plus old,
and its surrounding parts are even older.
And everywhere you go, northern, Southern,
there's so many haunted pockets, it'sunbelievable.

Speaker B (04:58):
Yeah. Yeah. So before we get that and talk about some of your episodes, get into
that.
One of the things that I unfortunately could
not go to, but I was able to get tickets, goonline,
which I loved it.
I was watching Tammy and all these other great
people talk about the paranormal.
And, you know, I just sat there one night

(05:20):
having a beverage of choice and eating somechips and just watched it and it was amazing.
Go on to all Tammy Social.
She had some clips to show a little bit about
it.
So that was the Windy City Para Fest that
happened in June, correct?

Speaker A (05:37):
Yep.

Speaker B (05:38):
Okay.

Speaker A (05:38):
June 14th through the I think it was the 17th or 15th through the 18th.
Yeah.
Right around there.

Speaker B (05:44):
Yeah. So I'm excited because there's going to be one next year.
Is that true?

Speaker A (05:50):
Yeah, it's true.
That's what Frankie said.
Like, we had such a great turnaround from thefirst one.
This is the first annual, and it was just sogreat.
Like, everybody's energy, the guests, thepeople participating online through streaming
and just the attendance of those that wereinvited.
Like, so many people.
Coffee and cauldrons, Myself and Adam Barry,

(06:13):
Heather, Tatty Juwan from Ghost Brothers.
I mean, there's so many people there.
Intuitive, Tawny.
So it was like a wonderful mixture of people
and personalities.

Speaker B (06:23):
Absolutely, absolutely.
And I loved every minute of it.
And one of the things.
Let me ask you, what was your favorite moment
there?What did you say?
Like, oh, maybe you met somebody.
Maybe you were listening to a lecture and you
went, wow.

Speaker A (06:37):
It was the investigation with Adam, Barry and Tawny Lewis at the Heiress Brewery
and Cider House.
And that one was really, really fun and funny
because Bryce, my co host, is a scaredy cat.
And we're like, you're gonna come with us tothis investigation.
Right.
He's like, fine.
Him and Adam and everybody, you know, got onvery, very well.

(06:59):
And we were all trying to pack into this onevehicle and there was just no room.
But Bryson, like, it was like a. The bat.
It was like the trunk or the storage,
this word explorer.
And he was like, I could just lay down here,
it's fine.
We could just commute to the place.
So the extremes that my co host went throughjust to go to this location to investigate was

(07:24):
unbelievable.
And he did it for everyone that was going towatch the video because I recorded it and
posted it on our Instagram.
And to see his banter between him and Adam,even more funny.
But.
But it was really interesting when we went to
this brewery because right when we got inthere, we were like, wow, this is very
historical.
It was owned by the masons.

(07:45):
And instantly we talked to one of the cookswho showed us a picture of what he caught a
couple of days ago before we approached thebrewery.
He was like, oh, I have this picture.
And you want to see this picture?Like, look close.
This one decoration.
It's a. It's a picture of a man's space.
And they believe it's like an entity aroundthat haunts the Heirs brewery.

Speaker B (08:07):
Yeah. And that's strange because breweries, you don't think of that.
They're haunted.
But why wouldn't they be haunted?
Right.
Because breweries weren't as safe back in the
day as they are now.
And yeah, people lost their lives, people weredrowned in vats, people would be crushed by
something.

(08:28):
Who knows?
Myriad of things that could happen.
So, yeah, that was amazing.
I did watch that, but that was great.
Was there anything that surprised you that youwent, what?
Hmm.
Never.
Never knew that kind of, you know, just fromthe lectures or just meeting people.

Speaker A (08:44):
Yes, for meeting people.
There was this one girl who did.
Was doing the witchy cocktails and we werejust so, like, in awe of her because she was
talking about moon water and how we can takemoon water and put it in, turn it into ice
cubes and make a cocktail.
A lot of it.
And we were like, me and.
Me and Beth were like, mind blown.

Speaker B (09:03):
I love that.
I love that.
Because one of the.
One of the biggest.
One of the biggest things with the paranormalcommunity is, like, there are so many great
people that you meet, but also things that youlearn that you're just like, wow, I didn't
know that.
Maybe the way people investigate, maybe theway people do their podcasts, maybe the way

(09:24):
people make drinks, just.
Just a lot of different things.
So that was awesome.
You know, again, I enjoy.

Speaker A (09:31):
Yeah, that was.
The whole purpose of that festival was just to
see different takes and different.
So it was really cool.

Speaker B (09:37):
Yeah. And what I loved about it too, was that you gave people the opportunity
who maybe are not.
I don't want to say names, you know, becausethat's kind of, you know, I don't want to
sound like I'm making fun of anybody ordemeaning anybody, but you know what I mean,
you bring in people to forward like that.
Maybe you don't know, or maybe you do know,and they just need a little bit of.

(10:01):
I've never seen this guy or never met this guyor maybe I should now.
So I thought that was great too, bringingpeople to look at, you know, different views
and.
And different people who maybe, you know,
you're like,
I didn't know anything about him.
But now, wow, that's a really cool person.
I gotta listen to them or watch the videos orwhatever.

Speaker A (10:20):
Oh, yeah.
There are so many.
So many people copying cauldrons.
One of the podcasts, of course.
What's up, weirdo?With Jessica Napik And Johnny Alteney.
Funny, funny, funny.
And also a big shout out to this strange
reality.
They weren't participating within thefestival, but they were strong attendants and
really big fans of everyone.
And it's a really good podcast.

(10:42):
It's called the Strange Reality.
And they're wonderful, wonderful people thatshare pretty scary stories and other scary
stories as well, with the paranormal and theunexplained.
So you got to meet people who were on thestage and behind, you know, behind the scenes
that were involved in some way somehow.

Speaker B (10:58):
Yeah. And that's awesome because we're such a great community.
And everyone I've ever had on the podcast hasbeen so sweet,
so nice, and I've had witches on the podcast.
I've had medium psychics,
you know, just a myriad of people.
And unfortunately, not to pick on Hollywood,
but I get it.

(11:19):
What sells tickets is some woman covered in
blood chanting and being like, oh, yeah,
and then, like a demon coming out and rippingpeople's faces off or what.
You know what I'm saying?Nobody wants to see this really nice woman
going, hey, let's.
Let's.
Let's talk about, you know, I felt your energyor whatever,
you know, I can.
I can help you be positive, and I can help you

(11:41):
think about your life and how to make yourselfbetter.
Like, that doesn't work.

Speaker A (11:46):
Yeah. Oh, I understand.

Speaker B (11:48):
Everybody's super nice and really helpful.

Speaker A (11:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker B (11:57):
I have to ask you, was this your first time in Chicago?

Speaker A (12:00):
No, it was not.
It was actually, like.
I want to say it's probably like, my third orfourth time because I have family that are
from the south side of Chicago,
and. But I think when I went to Windy City, Ihaven't returned to Chicago in almost 15
years, so it was a.
It was really nice to see it from an adultperspective and from a paranormal perspective,

(12:21):
too.

Speaker B (12:21):
Yeah, yeah.
The reason I was asking, because the food's alittle different there from la.
Right.
It's a lot of cheese and a lot of potatoes and
a lot of.

Speaker A (12:31):
Your, like, very fried everything.

Speaker B (12:34):
Yeah. I'm gonna have to get on the treadmill when I get back.
Great.

Speaker A (12:40):
But that's how people say stuff felt over there, because I was walking so much
around there, especially in the city, and youjust have to walk everywhere.
You take the train, and then you walk anothercouple of blocks so you kind of balance
everything out there.
Oh, man.

Speaker B (12:53):
There you go.
Then take a nice walk around the city.
Did you happen to have a chance to learn a
little bit about Chicago and its paranormalbackground, or were you just too busy?
I'm guessing not, no.

Speaker A (13:07):
Oh, no.
I mean, I got to learn so much about.
It's like, haunted history.
Why?You know, what makes Chicago pretty haunted?
And just like every other city, it's just thisearly settlements and pioneers and, of course,
you have a very strong gang, you know,gangster background.
You know, it was gangland.
Like la.
It is gangland there.
There are tunnels, there are massacres.

(13:29):
And there was a lot of dirty dealings thatoccurred in and around that city.
And then, of course, you have the cemeteries.
My God, I loved Rose Hill.
I loved Graceland.
It was so beautiful.
And the history was also beautiful.

Speaker B (13:42):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And, you know, gotta remember, Al Capone atthe height of his career was in Chicago.
I mean, the movie the Untouchables, KevinCostner,
Elliot Ness and all that stuff.
Prohibition was in Chicago.
It was people dying,
being killed every day.
If you think about all that.

(14:03):
And as we talk about with energy,
it just doesn't go away.
Like stone tape theory and everything where
things are soaked into that area.
It's crazy.
And not to mention,
well, this isn't really in Chicago, but thingslike serial killers in Chicago,
you know,
and just.

(14:24):
There's just a lot.
There's just a lot of Chicago.
Like ganglands, cemeteries, HH Homes.

Speaker A (14:31):
Yeah.

Speaker B (14:32):
Yes, HH Holmes.
Which is funny.
I don't.
It's not really Chicago, but if I remember
correctly, because I did a little piece on it,the murder castle, obviously, is not there
anymore.
Burned down.
And they.
They made it into a post office.
It is a post office where people have claimedthings have happened.

(14:53):
Other people say that it's like, near a treeand anyway, you can.
You can walk down it and do whatever.
But I just.
Yeah, like a murder castle.
Nobody, like,
really in Chicago.
You know what I mean?Like, he had a place that was like, straight
out of a horror movie.
Like, straight out of any crazy horror movie

(15:14):
where people were like, you know, taken fromtheir beds at night, you know, or they slide
down a chute and he'd be there murdering themand be like,
****, that is a lot.
And yeah, and like I said, Capone.
Also,
the different.
There were some certain serial killers in
Chicago.
There was a lot of rough stuff.
And the hotels,

(15:35):
not every hotel is haunted.
But, like, one of my favorite hotels is the
Congress Plaza Hotel, where a woman threw herchildren out the window.
She jumped out.
People have gone in that hotel.
I believe maybe I'm confusing hotels.
So correct me if I'm wrong, Tammy, but I

(15:55):
believe they boarded up that room or they,like, you know, it's like 1314,
and it should be a 1315.
You know what I mean?

Speaker A (16:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I went in there.
I actually toured it one.
One evening.
I went in there one evening and just walkedaround.
You.
You can literally walk into that hotel.
Hang out in the lobby,
go into the elevator and go into the floors.
Like, you don't need key car access.
You can't, because those elevators are reallyold.
And you feel the history in those elevators.

(16:26):
And I was told to go, what was it?It was the 14th floor.
And there.
Yeah.
And there's a room, I think I could be wrong,is 1412 or allegedly, it's something like
that.
I have to go back in my notes where it's likeone of the most haunted rooms.
And yeah, I was trying to book that room andit was already booked and,
man.
Because I wanted to stay at night there.
But it does feel very different in that hotel.

(16:49):
Like, it feels like time kind of stands still.
I don't know how to explain it.
Like, everything's so quiet and very eerie.
Like you feel an energy in there.
For sure.
You definitely do.

Speaker B (17:00):
Absolutely.
And just something I found out through
research when I was doing my episode, HHHolmes used to go in that lobby and look for
women to take.
So he would be in that lobby, like, walkingaround just looking for women, which is a
beautiful.
Yikes.

Speaker A (17:19):
It's a gorgeous Lawton.
Yeah.

Speaker B (17:21):
Oh,
I love old hotel.
I mean, LA has their share, obviously,
but it's just you.
You step back.
It's like a time machine.
You step back in time.
Right.
And you're like.

Speaker A (17:32):
That is a really good way to put it.
Yeah, it's really, really beautiful.
Yeah.

Speaker B (17:37):
Yeah. You know, rather than the.
Not that hotels are bad now, but you're in a
certain hotel, everything is white and brightand you' like, okay.

Speaker A (17:48):
Yeah, these are like.
Oh, yeah.
No, the same marble floors and like.

Speaker B (17:52):
Yeah, like you said, no key cards for certain things.

Speaker A (17:56):
Nothing.
Yeah.

Speaker B (17:58):
You know, or whatever.

Speaker A (18:00):
It's definitely a time warp when you go in there.
It's so cool.

Speaker B (18:03):
Yeah, I know.
And it's just the rich history and everything.
It's time.
Well, I'm glad they're doing.
Hopefully I can get there next year because Iwould love to see you and Frankie and
Christina and everyone else get out there andsay hi.
That would be.
That would be really nice, you know, to get
out.

Speaker A (18:20):
They're wonderful.
They're so great, everybody.

Speaker B (18:22):
So, anything to mention about that before I get on to your podcast?

Speaker A (18:26):
No, just continue to follow Windy City Parafest and see what comes around
because they're planning some really greatstuff.
I know they're.
They have some things, in every sense of the
word brewing at the moment, so.

Speaker B (18:38):
I love it.
I love it.

Speaker A (18:39):
Yeah.

Speaker B (18:40):
So just looking at your podcast and some of Your episodes with the Holly Weird
Paranormal Podcast.
What are some of your favorite episodes?
Or do you have a favorite?

Speaker A (18:50):
I would have to say the Barclays, my favorite because it has a Ghost Adventures,
a story attached to it.
And I remember we were gonna.
I was gonna save that story for the scarieststory because something scary did happen with
me and Jay.
I think his last name is Walsing from Ghost
Adventures.
Something happened to us in the basement ofthat hotel.
And what's so very.

(19:10):
What's so unique about this hotel is, like,
when people think of haunted hotels in LosAngeles, they think of the Cecil,
but to me, like the Barclay, I mean, it's.
It surpasses the Cecil, in my opinion, because
of what has happened in there.
Like, the Cecil doesn't.
In my opinion, it doesn't hold a candle to theBarclay.
And we've had a slew of serial killers thatstayed there.

(19:31):
We had a serial killer called the LA Slasherwho literally tore women apart and left them
their parts in the hotel rooms of that hotel.
And I've had friends that work.
That work in the industry.
The hotel is rented out to film productions,television productions, and a lot of crazy
stories have come out from people who workedon rigging, boom mics, wardrobe.

(19:52):
I collected them all, and it's unbelievable.
And when I was there to shoot an episode withGhost Adventures, me and Jay had something
happen to us in the basement that we couldn'texplain.
It was unbelievable.
Jeffrey R.
Yeah.

Speaker B (20:04):
Jeffrey R. I love it.

Speaker A (20:05):
I may have to say that.
Sorry for our scariest stories, but it was a.
It's a good story.

Speaker B (20:10):
Say, let's save that.
We'll get to that in a second.
Okay.
I have to ask.
You have one here about haunted Walmarts anddid I read that right?
Am I in the right podcast?

Speaker A (20:21):
I'm like, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.

Speaker B (20:25):
Just think that's hilarious.

Speaker A (20:27):
I mean, everything is torn down here and turned into a department store or a
Halloween spirit.
So.

Speaker B (20:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we do have one.
Yeah, I was.
I thought that was.
I thought that was really great.
I thought that was a lot of fun.

Speaker A (20:42):
It is such a popular episode.

Speaker B (20:45):
Yeah, it has to be, right?

Speaker A (20:47):
Yes, it is.

Speaker B (20:48):
And, you know, obviously you talk about here.
This is a little bit of an older episode,
but like Marilyn Monroe's Brentwood home andeverything like that and things like that
where history is unfortunately being destroyedbecause condos,
apartment building,

(21:08):
whatever.

Speaker A (21:10):
Rich people.

Speaker B (21:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So,
I mean,
how do we get past that?How do we.
How do we share to people like, hey, this isrich History,
Hollywood tradition.
Maybe you guys leave that alone.
Can we build around it?Can we what?
You know what I'm saying?
Well, how do we get past that?

Speaker A (21:31):
Well, it's definitely something to get past, especially when money talks and real
estate overpowers the city.
And then with the Marilyn Monroe home, thatwas something that, you know, Marilyn Monroe
is.
Is our,
you know, our mother of L. A. She's our, youknow, holy mother of the city and more than
just a mascot.
And when we heard that, you know, the owner of

(21:53):
this home and her husband wanted to tear itdown to build a pool, a parking lot, and it's
kind of expand the property next door becauseshe owns a house next door and that home.
The historical societies here of Los Angelesbanded together.
We unified.
We contacted Tracy Parks, our councilwoman.
We wrote letters.
I wrote letters and went knocking on doors

(22:14):
virtually, like, started sending letters topeople and saying, you know, we got to share
this.
We got to, you know, contact Tracy Park'soffice.
And she heard,
and she immediately went into action.
And to be a part of that process, especially
with other historians and people who are fansof Maryland and our councilmen.
When we got to work and we got that house, youknow, protected.

Speaker B (22:37):
Yes.

Speaker A (22:38):
As a, you know, historical, you know, location that they can't touch it.
And I know that there's some paperwork andlegality still going on with it, but we
prevented that from happening, and we justsaid, no, enough is enough.

Speaker B (22:51):
Yeah, I love that.
I love that.
Because, yeah, enough's enough.
You know, we need to preserve history and.

Speaker A (22:58):
Exactly.

Speaker B (22:58):
You. And I love history.
I can tell.
It's just, come on, like, enough.
I know we need to share this not only with
future generations, but also,
you know, to people to understand howimportant this is.
Like, Marilyn Monroe was an icon, and we'lljust forget about her if we just keep on doing

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these things, and we shouldn't.
This should be a lesson.
Not only a lesson for people who want to learn
about her, but also a lesson for just knowingwhat she went through and everything like that
and her trials and tribulations and how sheovercame them and.
And how she became a part of the city.
And that's important, right?
It's hugely important.

(23:39):
So I love that.
Has there been an episode where you went,
wow, okay, that's really interesting.
Like, again, something that you didn't know
that kind of struck you in a certain way?

Speaker A (23:53):
Well, definitely.
I would have to say the Rainbow.
It's the Rainbow Bar and Grill.
And the Whiskey.
A Go Go episode.
So I have a friend her name is Spooky Foodie.
And another friend, Zachariah the Witch.
And they were the first ones to investigate
the Rainbow Bar and Grill.
And I also joined them to investigate the
Whiskey a Go Go, and then later investigatethe Rainbow Bar and Grill.

(24:14):
The second time, the Rainbow Bar and Grill.
What a lot of people don't know is that it was
the.
It was.
Oh, my God.
I can't remember the name.
It was an it restaurant in the 30s and 40s,but before then, it was a little fish market.
But it was also the location of where MarilynMonroe and Joe DiMaggio had their first date.
And the booth where they sat is still there,where Marilyn made Joe DiMaggio wait three

(24:39):
hours for her.
And he still waited.
He still waited for her.
And to speak with the owner who.
This restaurant has been in his family for solong.
And when it comes to the Rainbow Bar andGrill, it really is a family, and they really
protect their patrons, especially Lemmy, whopassed away.
They honor him.
And now Ozzy. They honor Ozzy there, too.
And what a lot of people don't know is that itis haunted.

(25:02):
And it's haunted from the past, too.
It was a place where, like, we talked aboutgangs used to come in there and do their
bidding.
A little story is that the owner showed meSpooky Foodie and Zachariah and a cleaning
closet.
He pointed to the ceiling, and it looked likea little trap door.
And we're like, what is that?He's like, oh, these are little secret rooms

(25:23):
and tunnels that the gangsters used to use todo their meetings and to look into.
They used to go through these little, like,crawl spaces to peek into the dining room to
see who was coming in and who was coming out.
And I said, you're kidding me.
He's like, no joke.
So this is something that, you know, we foundout.
And it turned out that they.

(25:43):
They had this tiny little busboy go into theroom,
and the guy was like, there's a table andchair.
There's bottles and there's stuff on thetable, and there's a bunch of dust.
It was so crazy.
It was insane to know.
To learn that in this place of rock and roll,this was gameless.

Speaker B (25:59):
Yeah. Yeah, that's.
That's so interesting to me.
Have you done anything on the Viper Room atall?

Speaker A (26:06):
Yeah, we had a couple of stories that we shared on the Viper Room,
and that one has a lot of crazy stories.
Like, the owner has had many experiences with
things flying from the bar,
the basement, you know, things connected towhat is it?
River Phoenix's death.
They believe, like, a part of them is still
them or an essence of them is still there.
But that's another place too, where gangs usedto do their doings.

(26:29):
Like, all of Sunset was gangland.
There's pictures that you could find of, like
vehicles with bullet holes.
You know, it's really crazy.
And that was a place where, you know, thereused to be clubs and dinner clubs, and that's
where everybody did their businesses and shadybusiness.
But the Viper Room is very interesting, too,is very much like the Rainbow Bar and Grill.

(26:49):
There's a lot of history that comes from the30s and 40s that is still trapped there, and
it goes within.
And talk about places that are ready to bebulldozed.
They're trying to save it because now they'rethinking about tearing it down and building
condos in place of it.
So they're.
Instead of.
Yeah, they want to build more housing, more
unaffordable housing.
They're going to build up,

(27:10):
but I think they're working out somethingwhere they're going to keep it as a lower.
Like a ground business, but then build ontopical,
which is still ******, but, yeah,
you know,
it's.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B (27:26):
I'm a. I'm an old 80s metal head, so I. I love Lemmy and Ozzy and all the.
I. I'm a man.
I grew up with that stuff.
Motley Crue,
all those.
These bands.
These bands.
The hair bands with the crazy hair, the
makeup.

Speaker A (27:44):
Absolutely,
yes. And let me.
And I'm sure people are wondering, well, does
lemme haunt the Rainbow?Yes, Yes.
I mean, he is there,
so I know that Zachariah and Spoofy Foodie,when they did the investigation through Estes,
they found out that he's there, but he kind oflike, is in the background and he likes to
kind of like check and make sure ifeverything's okay.

(28:06):
Yeah, he kind of.
He's kind of like the spiritual bouncer of
that place, but he doesn't like to getinvolved.
And he never believed in ghosts.
That was the one thing they're like.
He's like, this is stupid.
I really don't think this.
But I just make sure that this place isrunning TikTok shape.

Speaker B (28:20):
Yeah, yeah.
So before we get into our main topic here,
I have to ask you, Tammy, unfortunately, therewas some bad news, but I want your feeling on
this, because I'm on the fence.
So Dan Rivera went out with the AnnabelleAnnabelle doll.
Unfortunately, he passed.
I know you did a little.

(28:40):
A little piece on it.
And everything like that.
What is your feeling about Annabelle?
Do you really believe it's cursed or do youthink it was just unfortunate or kind of a
combination of both?I mean,
I'm curious.

Speaker A (28:54):
Well, I feel like Annabelle represents the seven deadly sins.
Lust,
gluttony, envy, and all of the above.
And I think that people who handled her also
were engulfed by those sins, in my opinion.
Because if you think about it, Dan Rivera has
been a part of nesper for over 10 years.
He's one of their longest runninginvestigators, and he's handled the doll just

(29:16):
as long and why now?And people said, well, he shouldn't have
touched it.
That's the price you pay.
Which I think is a lot of BS because the dollhas been touched, has been taken out of the
case,
and it has in 2016.
I do remember Tony Spura taking the doll outwhen.
When Lorraine was alive.

(29:38):
Lorraine was suffering from dementia.
They needed money for her care, so they tookher on tour in Connecticut.
For 150, you can spend a night with Annabellewith a bowl of spaghetti,
and you could take pictures with her.
They took the doll out.
They took the doll out.
They brought her to a restaurant.
People paid money to go see her, to go see
Lorraine and to take pictures with the doll.

(30:00):
So how come someone like Tony, who's handledher so many times, how come he's still living?
And why is Dan, you know, not here?Those are things that I don't think people
know about.
And it's funny because people have alwaysmentioned too that, well, he touched the doll.
He's touched it all many, many times.
There are videos on YouTube of other content
creators from five, six years ago wherethey've gone to the Warren's Museum.

(30:25):
And somehow in every single video, I'venoticed this in five videos.
It just so happens that Tony and Dan have totake Annabelle out and move her to another
case.
And it's always when the cameras are rolling.
So they were handling her like that four tosix years ago, and nothing happened to them.
But from what I do understand,
talking to a couple people who have worked andwere very close to Dan, and he had been

(30:49):
suffering internally.
He was also former Marine, so he was dealing
with a lot of internal issues.
He wasn't feeling well.
That day that he passed, he made comments
about that and unfortunately he passed away.
I think something internal, like with his
heart, and he just passed in his sleep, andthat was it.
But I think people just want to make itsensationalized and want to give it a reason

(31:12):
as to.
Well, he Died because he handled the doll,told you the doll is cursed.
And. Yeah, I don't believe she's first.
I was told that.
I don't even think that's a real doll, but I
think that it's just an egregore of an energythat we've distilled on the doll.
Kind of like Robert the doll.
It's something that we consistently feednegative energy to.

(31:33):
And this is what's come out of it.

Speaker B (31:35):
Yes, absolutely.
So one of the.
One of the things is called, I've talkedabout, and maybe you've talked about it too,
is Topaz.
So topaz are something as a collective mind
hive, if you keep thinking about over and overand over.
So Slenderman, that's a perfect example.
That was someone's just goofy project, and

(31:58):
they put it in there.
And then people were like, slenderman's real,
Slenderman this, Slender man that.
And unfortunately here in Wisconsin,
that.
Maybe bring that up a little later here.
Led to.
To a girl almost losing her life because theyjust believed in Slender man.
And.

(32:18):
But though one of the girls just went along
with that, which, you know, you're.
You're a young woman.
You know, you're a young teenage girl.
Hey, come on, let's go to that party, getdrunk.
Okay, I'm going.
You know, not to disparage that at all, but,
you know, come on.
But that, in a sense, is kind of.
I feel, with Annabelle, like you said, people
are just.

(32:38):
It's evil, it's evil, it's evil, it's evil,
it's evil.
Right.
And eventually that just kind of gets intopeople's minds,
maybe into the dao.
What. Whatever you believe.
But my.
My point is, is like you said,
really.
I mean, like,
numerous people have handled this out and theyjust go on with their lives and other people.

(33:01):
Oh, I had a motorcycle accident.
Well,
okay, you're on a motorcycle.
There was that famous story about the guy who
mocked the doll years ago, and he had amotorcycle accident and died.
I'm like, well,
okay, I see where there's combinations of.
Or correlations, I should say, between that.
But again, it's a motorcycle.
It's dangerous.

(33:22):
As soon as you get on that thing, you couldliterally something could happen to you the
next day, and then you're going to blame it onthis.

Speaker A (33:29):
So again, you can't find the story, you can't find the name of the man.
So we don't know where the story came from.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B (33:35):
Ye.
Yeah, It's a lot of that, which I don't Know,I mean, and then you.
Not to get onto with the Warrens, but therehas been recent things that have come up about
the Warrens that, well, not put them at a goodlight,
let's just say that.
And that's anyone's opinion.
I personally think they were.
They were trying to do some good and then

(33:56):
money took over.
Right.
Wait a minute.
I mean, like that kid who claims it was on
Netflix, like,
the devil made me do it.
That famous true crime case, paranormal case.
So the, you know, the kid was supposedlypossessed by the devil.
And the warranty.
Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
You're. You're possessed.

(34:16):
You're possessed, possessed.
And the father's like, bullshit.
He just comes in, is like, no, he's justsettle down.
You're, you know, you're.
You have maybe some mental issues or some
therapy that maybe could have helped him.
But they just kept pushing and pushing andpushing to a certain point where in that
story,
the gentleman who went to jail who wound upmurdering this other innocent person claims

(34:40):
that it possessed him, that killed him.
I don't know.
I think that's a whole different podcast for a
whole different time.

Speaker A (34:46):
But you know what I'm saying,
It was always sensationalized.
Yeah, that was the thing.
It was always sensationalized and it alwaysinvolved the Warrens.
And once again, money's involved.
There's greed, there's lust, there's Lutney,there's envy.
There's all the stuff that comes with it.
And I think that that is a reflection of what
the doll embodies, in my opinion, that we'reshowing from ourselves as human beings.

Speaker B (35:09):
Yeah.

Speaker A (35:10):
And the doll is just sitting there like, I don't have to do anything.
I'm watching you guys create more of the chaosthan me.
So you are the one spending $70.
$70 to see this doll.
That tells you something.
That should tell you something.
How much this doll has generated.
I think she's generated close to $80,000 bygoing to Gettysburg.

(35:30):
That should tell you something.

Speaker B (35:31):
Yeah, right.
And that's.
That's.
I don't know.

Speaker A (35:35):
Again, that's alone.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker B (35:37):
And that's something that I always say when I talk to my paranormal investigators
or people on the podcast is unfortunately onYouTube.
There's a ton of stuff that makes legitimatepeople like us who really want to know, who
have the.
Want to understand beyond the veil and want todo the research and dig in and help people or
whatever a bad name.

(35:58):
Because somebody was like, oh, there's a
ghost.
And they Photoshop stuff in and then otherpeople.
Yeah, yeah, that's fake.
And you're like, you just ruined it.
I get it.
You want clicks.
I get it.

Speaker A (36:10):
Yeah.

Speaker B (36:11):
And just put, put it.
Put something.
I always said put something before the video.
This is not real.

Speaker A (36:17):
This is not real.
This is AI generated.

Speaker B (36:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's okay.
People are still going to watch it, right?People are going to be like, yeah, let me, let
me, let me see.
Rather than, oh, yeah, this is real, this is
real, this is real.
And then you're like, anyone with half a brainjust go, that's impossible.
Yeah, like that, that I can see the wires orthe cgi or I have a friend who looked at it

(36:40):
for five minutes who knows how to manipulatevideo and said,
right,
right.
It's crazy.
It's crazy.

Speaker A (36:47):
Yeah.

Speaker B (36:48):
So let's get into a fun little segment I thought I would have with Tammy.
And what I'm going to do is I'm going to putthis out in the social media so we can kind of
see who's a little more scarier.
Who has some more scarier things,
Wisconsin or California?By the way, the reason I'm bringing this up is

(37:10):
because California on recent polls have beennominated as the most haunted state in the
United States to the chagrin of manySoutherners in Georgia and North Carolina.
South Carolina, you know, all these otherplaces are like, no, I had people on from
their shows and they're like, like, fromSavannah, right?

(37:32):
Savannah, Georgia.
People like California,
like, losing their mind.
And I'm like, whoa,
stop it.
Like, like, calm down.
But California is a very, very spooky place.
Very creepy place, has a lot.
And, you know, to.
To Tammy's point.
So what I'm going to do, what we're going todo is I'm going to read something from

(37:56):
Wisconsin, which is true.
It has some little true crime in here, has alittle bit of cryptids, has a little bit of
haunted houses.
I'm going to read like one.
And then Tammy, if you want to bring up, ifyou either want to comment on it or you just
want to just go right into a story of yourown, that's great.

Speaker A (38:14):
No problem.

Speaker B (38:14):
So I'm going to start with.
This is my favorite.
Believe it or not, Tammy, Wisconsin has awerewolf.
And the werewolf is called the Beast of BrayRoad.
He has been terrifying locals for decades.
He's described as a hulking wolf like creature
walking on two legs.

(38:34):
This cryptid has earned comparisons to a
werewolf sightings.
Get this, Tammy.
Sightings of the beast date back to the.
But the creature became infamous in the lateand early 90s when multiple witnesses reported
its eerie presence.
Drivers have seen its glowing eyes staring atthem for the roadside, and a few unlucky souls

(38:58):
have been claimed.
The beast has chased their car.
Whether it's a werewolf, a Bigfoot relative,or something else entirely, one thing's for
sure,
this is Wisconsin's most infinite infamousmonster.
So there you go, Tammy.
I didn't know we had a werewolf.

Speaker A (39:16):
No, you know, I feel like every state has a werewolf.
I mean, even.
Even Louisiana, where I'm from, you know, we
have the Rougarou, which is the swamp werewolfas well.
So. Yeah. And I think.
Where was it in Michigan they have the Dogman,
which is kind of like a werewolf.
Yeah.
So it's like a werewolf pipeline, which isreally, really interesting, but I had no idea.
That's so crazy.

Speaker B (39:37):
Yeah.

Speaker A (39:37):
That's all part of the same fraternity.

Speaker B (39:40):
Yeah, right.
It's so weird.
And this has been, like I said, been going onfor countless years.
There has been documentaries on it.
People have claimed that they have found like,
well, burns footprints.
People have heard howls in the middle of thenight.
People have, you know, seen this creaturecoming towards them.
Little or no evidence,

(40:01):
unfortunately.
Kind of like a Bigfoot in the sense, but
people still.
You go up there, it's near Elkhorn, Wisconsin.
You go up there, people will be like, stay outof the woods that it's in there now again,
it's kind of like Bigfoot.
Do you want to catch this creature or haveevidence?
Sure we do, but.
But, you know, who knows?
So, yeah, so there you go.
So, I don't know, like I said, if you want to

(40:22):
bring up a story now or any other comments onit.

Speaker A (40:25):
Oh, my goodness.
Has there been any victims of this werewolf?

Speaker B (40:29):
No, there hasn't.
Well, no, it is a full moon tonight, Tammy.

Speaker A (40:35):
We're going to find out.
I mentioned the Barclay Hotel that not a lotof people know about.
It's in downtown Los Angeles.
It was open in the late 1800s.
It's. And ever since its opening, there's beentragedy from people who have been ran over and
trampled by horses in front of the hotel topretty violent fights that happen in the
lobby, to people dying in a horrible death inthe elevators.

(40:58):
The elevators either, like, clamped down andthey were crushed to death.
And we've had a couple of serial killers.
Like I mentioned, the LA Slasher, he killed, I
think a total of two to three women tore themapart.
Don't Google those photos online.
If you ever do research the LA Slasher.
And then we even had the Grim Sleeper.
The Grim sleeper in the 80s stay the night.

(41:20):
And he claimed the lives of several, severalhomeless people in that hotel as well.
And up until, like I want to say the early2000s, it was still taking victims.
And as I mentioned before,
people claim that the basement of this hotelis really,
really active.
As I was in that basement with Jay from Ghost
Adventures, we were setting up for aninterview.

(41:42):
I was going to talk about the LA Slasher.
We were set up in this room where they have
all of the dressers from that hotel stored inthat, in that storage.
And this is, you could tell like they're fromthe 1900s.
They're from the opening of this hotel.
They looked really old.
And we were thinking, man, what if one ofthese dressers were in the rooms where the LA

(42:03):
Slasher or the Grim Sleeper were in?
Like, what did they witness?
And so we were talking about the LA Slasher.
We're just rehearsing and out of nowhere we
hear one of the dressers, like something orsomeone slammed into the dresser and it moved
and it was still shaking, the mirror wasshaking.
And Jay and I looked at each other and welooked at the dressers and we looked at each

(42:27):
other and he was wide eyed.
And I asked him, is anybody else down here?
Is anybody else here?Was, is there someone setting up a mic or a
lighting back there?He's like,
it's just us two.

Speaker B (42:37):
Wow.

Speaker A (42:37):
And he's like, we have this whole entire area marked to investigate tonight.
So he's writing his notes like, I'm sure he'swriting like notes like we have to investigate
this room.
But he got up to look and figure out whatcould have made that noise.
But it made us both jump out of our seats to,in the middle of my, like my practice
interview with him to stop and just say, whatwas that?

(43:01):
You know, and for him to not accept, to comeup with an explanation.
And me, I'm like, I don't know what could havecaused that.
It was so scary.
And it was just for us to just stop and look
at each other wide eyed.
Just, just said it all.
Like, we were like, we were thrown.
We were like, wow, this is going to be areally interesting night for you.

Speaker B (43:20):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Like, yikes.
Yeah, this is going to be wild.

Speaker A (43:26):
So yeah, it was like the basement combination with what those dressers could
have seen,
Lord knows, like,
was they one of the victims coming forward andclaim, claiming that, you know, they're still
there?Who knows?
But it was a very interesting.
It was a very interesting situation.

Speaker B (43:42):
That's so.
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker A (43:44):
Yeah.

Speaker B (43:44):
I don't know.
I don't know how people can do that.
Every time I talk to a paranormal investigatorand they're like, oh, my hair's been pulled,
or I've been whatever.
I would have been like, nope, I'm out.

Speaker A (43:54):
That's a negative.
That's a negative.
Yes.
It's crazy.

Speaker B (43:58):
Yeah, it is crazy.
That is awesome.
I love that story.
So let's move on to another one.
This one's really good one.
This is one of my favorite ones.
And I would love to be on this bridge and findthis out.
You probably have a lot of haunted bridges inla.
Guessing right?Do you have haunted bridges?

Speaker A (44:18):
Oh, yeah.
We have the Colorado State Passing Bridge.
The Colorado.
Yeah, the Colorado Street Bridge in Pasadena.
It's a suicide bridge.
Yeah, that's a famous one.
That's the famous one in Pasadena.

Speaker B (44:30):
All right.

Speaker A (44:31):
So not all right, but you're like.
And of course, we have the San Francisco.
We have the Golden Gate Bridge in San
Francisco.
So we have quite a few in California.
Yeah.

Speaker B (44:42):
Yeah. Well, let's see if you.
Let's see if this one is a little different.
So the legend goes, this is called ******Bride Bridge.
Okay.
So the legend goes, Tammy, a bride was killedon her wedding night in this area,
but she continues to haunt the surroundingregion,

(45:03):
sitting in the backs of cars,
visible to drivers only in the rear viewmirror.
So think about it.
When you go over this bridge and you're like,
da, da, da, da, da.
Just drive and listen to some tunes, whatever,
and this bride appears in your backseat andshe's ******, like car accident, right?

(45:25):
So she hit by a car.
So here's the thing that I thought was reallyinteresting, that there have been many, many,
many stories about this, but this one wasreally interesting.
A police officer one day was driving over thebridge and everything,
and this is what he always thought is reallyweird.
So sometimes she'll sit in your back seat, butother times she'll sit in your front seat like

(45:51):
you.
You'll look over and there it is.
Well, this police officer, though, he wasdriving on the bridge and he saw this woman in
a wedding dress,
like, right in front of his car.
He hit the brakes, but it felt like he hit
her.
So he, you know, obviously stopped.
He went back to help her.
And when he ran back,

(46:11):
nobody was there.
Nothing was there.
But when he got in the car, Tammy,
there was the bride,
******,
just staring at him.
And, you know, he just freaked Out.
Obviously, he, to this day, this police
officer says that actually happened.

(46:32):
You know, why would I lie about it andeverything?
But. Yeah. So supposedly when you drive overthis bridge again, there's a whole bunch of
lore with it.
You suppose if you drive over it after like
midnight or 1 o', clock, 2 o' clock in themorning, either she'll appear in front of your
car.
Like, you jam on your brakes, like, you know,you're just driving, you're driving.
And then this ride will come out of nowhereand you'll slam your brakes and it'll feel

(46:54):
like you hit something.
You actually hit a person.
And then you're like, oh, my God.
You get out of your car, she's not there.
Or you get back into your car and she's
sitting in the passenger seat or in your rearseat.

Speaker A (47:07):
So she can take the car.
She can take the car.
Here's the keys.
Go.
Bye.
Goodbye.
Like, if you need to drive to the other side,if you need my vehicle to get to the
afterlife, do it.
Just don't take me with you.
That's that point.

Speaker B (47:24):
So it's interesting.
There's.
This is a legend, you know, this is a goodscary legend to tell people.
There's no real evidence that this hashappened.
Now, why would a bride run in front of yourcar?
I don't know.
But, you know, there's no. Like, is this from
the 1800s?Is this from the 19?

(47:45):
You know what I'm saying?Nobody really has a date on it.
There are some stories that in the newspaperswhere there was like a car accident where a
married couple had been coming back from theirwedding to go to their hotel room and got into
a car accident and were killed.
But that's,
you know, but I always love that.

(48:06):
And, and, you know, again, there's just been
numerous, numerous people claiming, yeah, I, Isaw this woman in the, in my back seat, in my
car,
the pier.
And then I get over the bridge and she's gone.
Every time you get over the bridge, Tammy, shedisappears.
So.

Speaker A (48:22):
No. Okay. I don't think, I don't think they would do that.
I think the ghost might be a little politehere.
They're in the Midwest, they're just like, wedon't care.

Speaker B (48:30):
Yeah, we're just gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna do it.

Speaker A (48:32):
We're gonna do it.

Speaker B (48:34):
Do you, do you have a scary story similar to that or anything with.
For any of your bridges?Do people see people?

Speaker A (48:42):
Yeah.
Oh, definitely.
So we have the Colorado Street Bridge here in
Pasadena.
We call suicide Bridge,
it was erected in, I want to say the early1900s.
And ever since it was built, you know, it justso happened that it, you know, after the
build,
the building of this bridge was the GreatDepression.
So you know what happens?People wanted to end their lives by jumping

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off the bridge.
And I think there has been a total of 30 plus
deaths that have occurred since its creation.
And there is a legend of a woman in white thatpeople have seen.
Long dark hair, she's in a white dress or ared dress.
It varies.
And on certain nights, certain times, ifyou're driving by yourself on Colorado Street
Bridge,

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you might see a woman just standing thereready to jump off the bridge, or she's walking
alone and you don't see her legs.
And people who have gone and investigated have
claimed that they captured her, have claimedthat they've like made communication with her
on doing EVP session Estes sessions.
But there was a video that surfaced thatsomeone claimed that they caught her on camera

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and you see her kind of standing, looking downfrom the bridge.
So there's a lot of strange energy and a lotof ghost sightings around the Colorado Street
Bridge.
And a lot of tragedy too.
So much that they had to build like a fence toprevent people from jumping off because it got
so bad.

Speaker B (50:04):
Wow. Wow, that's crazy.
Have you ever investigated that bridge with
anyone?

Speaker A (50:10):
Okay, yeah,
I walked on the bridge.
I mean, it's a little busy, especially certain
times, like with the cars coming back andforth.
But if you go to the base of the bridge wherepeople met their doom, like there's a lot of
weird stuff that happens.
People have seen shadow people, they've heardvoices, they've seeing what looks like, you
know, men walking around and disappearing intothe night.

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Like they just disappear.
People have allegedly heard a baby crying
because there was a story of a baby beingthrown from the bridge too, by its mom.
And they hear a woman crying.
Allegedly they believe that is connected to
the baby that was thrown from the bridge.
And there is an energy and a stillness when
you go there.
And we did pick up like an EVP of a man'svoice.

(50:54):
We just couldn't tell or make out what he wassaying.
He was mumbling something.
So it was, it was very eerie.
It was just myself and another male
investigator.
And we were quiet.
We were, you know, we were just sitting thereand you just hear this mumbling coming
through.
So. Oh, I get like the goosebumps justthinking about it because, like, we were just

(51:14):
sitting there still and still was the night.
And we get this voice that comes through.
And we could not.
We could not make it out.
But we hear it's a man mumbling.

Speaker B (51:26):
Crazy.
That it was.

Speaker A (51:27):
Yeah, it was going.
Yeah.
We were there for two hours and we finally gotthis.
And we're like, wow, this is insane.

Speaker B (51:38):
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
That's just awesome.
I just love stories like that because, again,
there's so much energy, whether it be positiveor negative in certain things, you just.
You never be like, yikes.
That's unbelievable.
It's crazy.
Wonderful.
So the next one is one of the most famoushotels in Wisconsin.

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It's in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
And definitely people have done investigations
and ripe for more investigations.
So it's called the Milwaukee's Pfister Hotel.

Speaker A (52:13):
And I love this hotel.
I did a story about it.

Speaker B (52:17):
I love it.

Speaker A (52:18):
Okay. I can't wait to hear it.
Yeah, there is an LA connection.
There's an LA connection.

Speaker B (52:23):
Yay.

Speaker A (52:25):
You gotta go first.
Okay.

Speaker B (52:27):
So this was excited.
We love it.
So built in 1893, the historic hotel has been
long been a favorite haunt.
And the funny thing about it, Tammy, is major
league baseball players stay there.
So the visiting team will stay there.
Many of whom have reported paranormalencounters.
Players claim to have seen apparitions, heardstrange noises, and even had personal

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belongings mysteriously moved or knocked over.
Some have been so spooked they refuse to stay
at the hotel again.
Now, whether it's the spirit of the hotel'sfounder, Charles Pfister, or who wonders the
halls or other unknown entities, the Pfister'sreputation as a haunted hotspot adds a eerie
layer to the opulent charm.

(53:13):
Just really quickly.
Yes. So baseball players have said, thesegrown men, you know, top of their game,
you know, have said, oop, I am not stayingthere.
Find another place.
And one of my favorite stories, just really
quickly was a player, if you know baseball atall.
His name is Bryce Harper.
I believe he plays for the Phillies.

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He claims to this day, it's hard.
He's like, you bet you it's hot because he
came out and he was, you know, he's puttinghis clothes out and put his uniform out or
whatever he was doing.
And he came out of the bathroom and it waslike, gone.
He was like, no, I just put it on my bed.
You know, I know I'm tired, but no, it's right
there.
So he go.
He was like, looking around, looking around,
looking around.

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I don't see it.
Goes back in the bathroom.
He comes back, there's his uniform sitting on
the bed.
And he, you know, again, he tells Otherstories where, you know, just feel being
watched and everything like that.
And, you know,
he had no problem telling people.
He's like, yeah, this is haunted.
Totally haunted.
So it's a really.
I've been in the hotel.
I have not stayed over.

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I just have visited it.
It's like, you know, again, that what we weretalking about, the Congress Plaza Hotel, Very,
very freaky, Very stepping back in time, andit's a really interesting hotel.
So let's hear your connection.

Speaker A (54:29):
My God. Yeah.
Well, we had our.
One of our.
Our favorite Dodger players, Mookie Vets,
stay in this hotel and.
Can't stop.
Won't stop.
Mookie.
And according to his story.
According to his story, I think it was himthat was.
He was staying in one of the rooms andsomething happened where he had to.
He refuses to stay at this hotel after thishappened to him.

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But he had an iPad or a phone, and the iPadkept on turning on by itself, and it started
playing videos.
It was playing something when he wasshowering, when he was away from it, and he
was like, this has never happened.
Like, what's going on?
And it just kept on playing videos.
Like, whatever was there was messing with thedevice.

(55:11):
And he was like, oh, hell, no, we're not doingthis.
Because he heard beforehand that from theplayers that this place might be haunted.
So ever since then, he refuses to stay at thathotel.
And he gets an Airbnb.
He refuses.
After that night,
he refuses.
Mookie Bets is like, I need my sleep.
I need to win a game.
We're not going to do this was a ghost.

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I'm not going to have my devices turn on.
We're not doing this.
You know, by the adios, you know, you know,
all that other stuff.
He's like, no, no, no, no, we're not doing
that.
And we also had.
I can't remember his name.
We had another LA Dodger player, say, there in
the 90s.
And he said that the television kept on
turning on in his room.
Yeah,
like, the.

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The headboard started shaking out of.
Uncontrollably.
Out of nowhere.
And he was like.
He said that he was dead asleep.
The TV turned on, woke him up, and then heturned it off.
And then the headboard started shaking.
And he got to the point where he got up and hetold whatever was there, like, I need my
sleep.
I know you're here.
Let me.
I have a game.

(56:12):
And it stopped.
So maybe the ghost have a. Have a, you know, a
different, like, attitude to, like, theopposition team.

Speaker B (56:21):
Yes,
yes. So That I think they know.
They're like, oh, they play in the brewery.
Yeah, let's keep them up on it.
Yeah.
And that's many, many stories that people havesaid their faucets have turned on the showers,
turned on tv,
clothes have been on, missing items have gonemissing.
Yeah, it's.
And people just, you know, embrace it.

(56:41):
It's kind of like, you know, okay, you know,this is going to happen to me.
I haven't heard anything like,
you know, nefarious or negative where peoplehave been scratched or whatever.
It's just like.
It's a ghost that's just messing with.

Speaker A (56:55):
Yeah, it's messing with them.
Yeah.
It loves to play pranks, allegedly.
So.
Yeah.

Speaker B (57:01):
Yeah.

Speaker A (57:01):
It's such a great.
Such a great little story.
And it's such a beautiful hotel.

Speaker B (57:06):
Yes.

Speaker A (57:07):
I want to go visit Wisconsin just to see that hotel.

Speaker B (57:10):
Yeah,
definitely.
Absolutely. So our last 1 Now in LA, Tammy,there's tons of mansions.
We do have mansions here in Wisconsin, but notas much, but we do have a very famous mansion.
Maybe you've heard of it, called the SummerWind Mansion.
I don't know if you've heard of that.

Speaker A (57:31):
Oh, I haven't heard it, no.

Speaker B (57:33):
All right, so this mansion was built in the early 20th century and has a very
dark past.
It has history of eerie occurrences andghostly apparitions.
In fact,
Teddy Roosevelt was supposed to stay at thismansion, but for whatever reason, he didn't.
And like, like there have been famous people,like the Secretary of Interior under him have

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stayed at this.
And, you know, if you look online at the earlypictures of it, it is gorgeous.
It's up north.
I'm gonna have to off the lake.
Just beautiful.
If you look at current pictures, this is kind
of a spoiler alert.
It isn't there anymore.
And you know the reason why.
I'll get into it for a second here.
So the most famous story involves the lastfamily who lived there.

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They were the henchaws.
They claim to have experienced unsettling
events.
Disembodied voices, objects moving on their
own, and even sightings of shadowy figures.
After the family fled in terror, the house wasleft abandoned and decayed, eventually being
struck by lightning and burned down.
Yet even in the ruins, people still reportstrange phenomenon at the site, making Summer

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Wind one of the most haunted mansions inWisconsin.
But here's the thing.
It's not there anymore.
People have tried to rebuild it.
There have been numerous gofundmes and stuff
that people want to rebuild.
Because it's absolutely gorgeous.
Was absolutely gorgeous.
Now here's the thing.
Couple of things is with this story of theHenshaws is the father slowly went insane.

(59:07):
This is.
It's kind of funny, but it's kind of like, you
know, old school Hollywood horror.
They used to have an organ,
like one of those big organs in this mansion.
And supposedly the family would wake up to the
father playing.
Like he'd be like, and he doesn't know how toplay.
Like they would.
They would say like, my dad doesn't know how

(59:28):
to play an organ.
You know, one of those big pipe organs kind ofthing.
Like he doesn't know how to play piano ornothing.
And he would sit there and play in like two orthree in the morning, just sit at this organ
and play.
And then people like the mom would come down,the kids would be like, dad, you know what's
going on?And he'd wake up and be like, what am I doing
here?
What's going on?Also, when people were renovating the place,

(59:50):
they would see their tools levitate and thenthe workers would be like, see ya.
Tools would go missing.
The girls in their rooms would wake up to see
shadowy figures at the edge of their bed.
And what they found out, it is built on aNative American burial ground.
And nobody did anything to cleanse it at thattime.

(01:00:14):
And a friend of mine, a paranormalinvestigator, he went there and investigated
night with his paranormal group and they wereinvestigating everything like that.
And he was sleeping.
He had his tent, you know, out and he was
sleeping and he was having these weird dreamsabout Native American spirits and everything.
And he was like, you know, and he didn't knowthat he was.

(01:00:34):
When he woke up in the morning, he was told hewas sleeping on the bones of Native Americans
who had been buried.

Speaker A (01:00:44):
That's not good.

Speaker B (01:00:46):
Pat was right on it.
He didn't know that.
I mean they're all over the place.
But unless you physically go in with, I don'tknow, some type of device to figure out where
there is, you wouldn't know.
The other cool thing about this is supposedlyfamilies who were staying there, like in the
1800s, 1900s, would see ghosts and there were.
Obviously it's gone, it's burned down and

(01:01:08):
everything.
But at the time when that the Hinshaws movedin, there were bullet holes in the wall that
the previous resident shot at the ghost.
Now this is 1800s,
early 1900s, and for whatever reason, one ofthe previous occupants thought, I shoot at the
ghost,
that will get rid of it.

(01:01:29):
And yeah, so anyway.
But this someone mansion, like I said it wasStruck by lightning and then burned and then
eventually just burned down.
And nobody knows why.
It wasn't like.
It was like, struck by lightning.

Speaker A (01:01:44):
Boom.

Speaker B (01:01:45):
It burned out.
No, it was struck by lightning.
And then the rest of it just mysteriously justburned down, which a lot of people said that
the locals just came in there and just set iton fire to keep the bad mojo or whatever you
want to say.
I don't know what to tell you, but that's thestory of it.
And like I said, it's absolutely gorgeous.
A huge mansion.

(01:02:05):
Just absolutely huge.
Beautiful.
Off the lake, northern Wisconsin.
I mean, just gorgeous.
So there you go.
Just one of those things maybe you shouldcover,
look into.
I think you'd be fascinated by.

Speaker A (01:02:18):
That is such a fascinating story and history and lore.
You know, especially with a name like SummerWind.
It just, like.
It's so dramatic.

Speaker B (01:02:27):
Yeah, I know, right? It was just Summer Wind.
Ah.
And the funny thing, too, Time did a story onit in the 60s.
You can go back, look at the archives of Timemagazine saying it was one of the most haunted
mansions in the United States.
And they did a piece on it.
So you can go back and look at that, too, if
you would, like, do a little research on it.

(01:02:47):
And they show you,
like, when it was back in the early times tobefore it was eventually burned.
So, yeah, so there's a lot of stuff out thereand everything like that.
Very interesting.

Speaker A (01:02:59):
Definitely have to look into it because it sounds like I'm really interesting,
you know, chain of stories and tales.

Speaker B (01:03:06):
Yeah.
Yeah. And my.
Like I said, my favorite thing is a portal.
Supposedly didn't say portal to hell oranything.
Just appeared one day when somebody opened uptheir pantry.
It's like.
It's like, I'm just gonna get something toeat.
Like,
okay,
why?I don't know.

(01:03:27):
But there you go.

Speaker A (01:03:29):
Me yelling into, like, the portal.
Like, can you just throw a box of Cheez Its at
least.

Speaker B (01:03:35):
I don't know, Yodels, whatever you got.
Thank you.
So do you have a famous mansion other than,like, I know the Hearst mansion and some other
places, but is there anything, you know, thatmay have your mind that you're like, you know,
this is probably one of the most haunted oneswe have.

Speaker A (01:03:52):
Yeah, it's the Greystone mansion.
And the Greystone mansion's in Beverly Hills.
Oh, my.
I can't remember the name of the family.
Please forgive me.
It's on the tip of my tongue.
But there was a family that had this mansionbuilt.
They move in, and the patriarch of the familyends up having an affair?
Allegedly.
But it's pretty much everybody knew he was
most likely having an affair with thechauffeur slash secretary.

(01:04:14):
I think one night he was mysteriously killedor he unalived himself.
And people think that it was foul playinvolved because the wife was present in the
mansion and she supposedly didn't hearanything.
But there was a lot of controversy with hisfamily and dealings.
There's the Teapot Dome scandal that occurredand it was a lot of, you know, dark underbelly

(01:04:39):
dealings that came along with the family thatowned this mansion.
So after this tragedy happened, the mansionwas closed down.
They open it as a museum slash venue forweddings.
And when I was living in West Hollywood, Ilived below the gentleman that used to be the
head groundskeeper.
And he took me and my sister on a tour of likea private, private tour.

(01:05:01):
This was before they were open for tours.
We got the VIP tour with them.
We had to wake up in the butt morning.
Like, I'm talking, like we had to be there at
8am Just to do this tour with them.
And it was worth it.
And it was so fitting because it was a darkand stormy morning and he was telling us all
these stories.
Like, yeah, we had this famous psychic come in

(01:05:21):
and she said that this, you know, the, themain hallway is a vortex and this is where a
lot of energy comes in and out.
And then he took us to the staircase wherehe's like, I'm closing up shop, I'm closing up
the location.
I'm about to head down the spiral staircase
and he's like, I see this man in a tuxedo.
He looks like a butler.
And he's coming up the stairs and I'm

(01:05:42):
thinking, is this someone who has lost?Like, what.
What is this person doing here?And he's like, holy.
He doesn't have legs.
Like he is just coming up the stairs.
Like he's just doing work.
Like he is going to work.
And my friend slash neighbor was just like.
I just stood there shocked as he was climbingup the stairs.
He just disappeared.
But the way he looked and the way he was

(01:06:03):
dressed, it was like as of a different timeperiod.
There was also stories of the children a partof that family.
I think there was a tragedy where one of themdied on the location.
And you could still see a spirit of a littlegirl in a white dress standing on the roof of
this mansion playing cast last hours andpeople who have shot because they have done
shows and movies there.
There's been a ton of TV shows and movies thathave been Shot at this location where people

(01:06:28):
have had problems with equipment.
And there was a story where a friend of mine
said, yeah, we had problems where we left allof our equipment.
It's nice and neat and stacked.
We had a security guard on standby that night
because this is expensive equipment.

Speaker B (01:06:43):
Yeah.

Speaker A (01:06:43):
The next day, they come in, the equipment's out of the package.
Like, it's all out of the cases.
And they were like, no, no, no, no, no, that's
imp.
They.
They go and they complain to the securityguard and the guy's like, I can show you
footage.
No one came in and out.
I was here in my post.
I did my walk arounds, I checked.
Nothing.
They were like, well, how come all this stuffis out of its cases?

(01:07:03):
He's like, I don't know, man, but I've heardsomething,
so. Oh, that is the story of the Greystonemansion.
Even the.
Even the.
The Paris Hilton's mom made a comment ontelevision about it.
Like, because when Paris was trying to findvenues to marry the mom, she's like, what
about Grace?
And the mom's like, absolutely not Paris.
That place is so haunted.
So, tag, we got tags right there.

(01:07:25):
Even the Hiltons know not to get married in a
haunted mansion like that.

Speaker B (01:07:29):
Yeah.

Speaker A (01:07:30):
Yeah, right?

Speaker B (01:07:32):
That's awesome.
I love that.
I love that.
So thank you so much, Tammy.
But before we wrap up, do you have anything I
have to ask?
Obviously,
one of the most famous cases in LA that you'reknown for is the Black Delilah.
Have you ever done any research on it ortrying to?

(01:07:52):
Because I think they figured out who did it.
Am I wrong on that?Am I way off?
I thought they figured out who finally didmurder that poor woman.

Speaker A (01:07:59):
I mean, that's the case that.
I mean, they said that they had found out who
did it and they believe it was.
Oh, my God.
The doctor that lived in that famous mansionin Hollywood.
I mean, it's a case that is, I think, willforever continue to haunt and linger in the
city.
And people are going to have their own storiesand own takes about who was responsible.

(01:08:20):
And a lot of people believe, like, it was oneperson, while others believe that it was more
than one person.
They believed that it was a cult.
They believed that it was this one doctor, or
they believe that it was a jilted lover.
But.
But we believe that her murder is connected toother murders that occurred in the 40s there
too.

Speaker B (01:08:37):
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
Is her ghost still there?
Or is the people still report seeing her ghostor is that.
I don't know.

Speaker A (01:08:46):
Well, I Mean, the Black Dahlia and Marilyn Monroe ghost stories are like seeing
Elvis in Vegas.
It's like everybody claims that they see her
because she lived all over L. A.

Speaker B (01:08:58):
Right?

Speaker A (01:08:59):
She lived.
Who was Elizabeth Short lived all over L. A.
Yeah.
And she was not very much of a responsible,
put together woman.
There was this one girl who, who connected
with me online and she said, oh, I have astory for you.
My grandmother was her roommate for a shorttime.
I'm like, you're kidding.
She's like, yeah, like, I think in la, shesaid that she was living outside of Hollywood

(01:09:22):
and Elizabeth lived with her for barely amonth.
And I'm like, what happened?
Oh, they had to kick her out because she wasso messy.
She was.
So they had to kick her out and that was it.
And it's true because she's lived everywherein downtown and Hollywood and I mean, she had
to hustle.
And there are some places that claim that kabostill lingers there.
The Biltmore.

(01:09:43):
Allegedly.
She's still there.
And I think it's Bordetella's.
Bordello's.
Bordello's where she claimed that she haunts a
bathroom there.
It's.

Speaker B (01:09:52):
Gotcha.

Speaker A (01:09:52):
She's everywhere.
I feel like she's everywhere.

Speaker B (01:09:57):
That's awesome.
That's awesome.
So, as we wrap up here, Tammy, can you tell myspooky friends what do you got coming up?
What's on the podcast?Are you doing investigations?
We'd love to know.

Speaker A (01:10:08):
Yeah, well, we're trying to.
We're trying to summon a spooky bingo night, A
fundraiser here, or spooky bingo brunch at themoment, which has been taking up my time.
I think the thing that we're being haunted bythe most is being ghosted by venues that say,
oh, we'll host you, and then they ghost.
Typical LA flaky people.
So that's been brewing a summerween spooky
bingo brunch.
We are on a bit of a hiatus.

(01:10:30):
We're taking our summer break, but we do haveother ideas for episodes brewing.
And also I'll be taking a trip trip to NewYork where I'll be hanging out with some
friends and possibly my friend BridgetMarcourt of the Ghost Bunny podcast.
She's a good friend of mine, along with TanaLewis.
She's going to be doing some workshops atLilydale.
So I'll be in Lilydale investigating the town.

(01:10:53):
Investigating and staying at one of the most
haunted hotels, the Maplewood, and alsopossibly doing an investigation at the
Hinsdale House.
So it's a lot Brewing from August 14th thatI'm there for a couple of days and.
Yeah, so that will be my last big trip beforewe enter.
Speak with Susan.
Of course.

Speaker B (01:11:12):
Yes. I love it.
I love it.
By the way, if you ever.
I don't know if you guys cover this, but if
you want to do have some serial killerstories,
I can give you a couple.
One on Ed Gein and one on Jeffrey Dahmer.
They're not my stories,
but they're personal stories that happen topeople who are part of the fam.

(01:11:33):
And.
And one of them has involved Jeffrey Dahmer ofmy cousin's friend who was almost killed by
Jeffrey Dahmer.
So, yes, it's a good.
If you want me to have on his guest.
Great.
I could talk about that.

Speaker A (01:11:46):
Yeah, definitely.
We'll definitely have you on because that's a
really cool.
We'll have a segment of serial killers or.
Or whatnot.
That's a really.
These are crazy stories and those are somecrazy, crazy pieces, for sure.

Speaker B (01:11:58):
Crazy stuff.
Still to this day, it's weird because Ed Gein
and Hollywood kind of connected, right?

Speaker A (01:12:07):
They are.
They're very much connected.

Speaker B (01:12:09):
Psycho.
I mean, some of his stuff.

Speaker A (01:12:11):
Is that the.
What is it?
Zach Bagan's Haunted Museum in Nevada, whichis next door to us.

Speaker B (01:12:17):
Yeah. That's awesome.
Well, thank you again so much, Tammy, for
taking time out.
I really appreciate it.
I love you because you're just great.
You have great stories,
you have a great podcast, and you're alwayswelcome back anytime you want.

Speaker A (01:12:32):
Oh, sure.
And also,
as another side note, I have another project.
It's another side project.
It's called Be Haunted Red, where I ambuilding costumes and dresses for famous
ghosts of famous ghost stories.
So the one I just finished is I built a dressfor Sharon Tate so you can follow my stories
and my process on.

(01:12:52):
On Instagram and Facebook.
The Haunted Fred and YouTube 13.
I'm doing one for the Woman in Black, so we'llbe touching on Sarah Winchester and the lore.
So I'm building the famous Woman in Blacksong.

Speaker B (01:13:09):
Nice. I love it.
Yes.
I'll put all the links in this episode sopeople can do it and go on there.
Absolutely.
No,
absolutely love to do it and stuff.
And who knows, maybe about Halloween, maybe we
can get together again and share some spookystuff because we didn't get to half the stuff
I wanted to get to and there's so muchspookiness in LA and surrounding areas.

(01:13:30):
So.

Speaker A (01:13:31):
Yes, it sounds good.
Let me know.

Speaker B (01:13:34):
Will do.
Thanks, Tammy.
Have a great night.
And stay spooky.

Speaker A (01:13:40):
You too.
Stay. Holly.
Weird.